What Are You Wearing?

(audience cheering) - Um, it's good to see you. - Are we gone? - Mm-hmm. - Oh, it's so good to see you. What are you wearing? (laughing) - Do you not be weird? (laughing) - That's weird. I'm wondering, what's that material? - Not see. - I can see you loud and clear. (upbeat music) - I actually am wearing this sweatshirt that I got from TikTok shop that I really like. It is, what's the name of a sweatshirt that's like a zip up hoodie? - Is it just a zip up hoodie? - Yeah. - Okay, I'm wearing a zip up hoodie. I'm wearing a black. - That's one of the classics. - Black tank from the gap. - Ooh, sexy. - Connor. (laughing) - Wait, what is that line from? Like, what are you wearing? Is that just from like, foam and sex? - It's just like, yes. - It's like the foam tax opener. There's, okay. - But it's also like a red carpet. I think like that's kind of why red carpets have like ventured from like, what are you wearing to like, to tell me what story you're fit. - Well, no, because they don't say what you're wearing. - What story are you telling with your outfit? Is that what you're trying to ask me? - First of all, I like where you've spun this whole thing on its head and I like that about you. You're constantly spinning and you're turning things on their heads. They ask, who are you wearing on the, on the carpet? - Oh, you're right. - Imagine I call the phone sex hop and 100 hot chicks and I go, who are you wearing? - I love that. - I'm wearing a timeless piece from Skims and it's not bunching up my crack. - It's kind of like, oh, that is very sexy. - I love that. - Yeah, wait. - And I'm wearing gap jeans that are like, low rise and baggy, which is new for me. - Yeah. - And it's also why I've zipped up my hoodie like over the piece of my body where my stomach meets below it. - So what kind of story are you telling with your look today? - I was going for like, comfortable chic. Like, oh, I didn't think about this outfit at all. - That's cool. - Even though I did. - I like that. - And I'm doing micro bangs. - Ooh, hashtag influenced. - By Papa. - By you, by Papa? - Yeah. - Yeah. - My micro bangs. My micro bangs were, like, completely, it was crazy to see one individual person rallying behind me. Like, I'm like, get behind me. Let's storm. There was one person that was like, I'm, DMs me and said, like, I was scared to comment because like everyone was very clearly, like, against the micro bangs. And I like what we were having fun. - Me and you? - Yeah. - Oh, absolutely. Yeah. - But she came into my DMs and said, I just like, privately want to let you know, I think they look good. You go, get your eyes checked. - No, people were really coming for me. Like, you need to let him express himself. He looks amazing. And like, I'm sorry if I stifled that. I just, you always tell me to be really honest. And that's just how I was feeling. But like, if you like them, you like them. - No, I'm not someone who's, if, if I look bad, I mean, we've already done this, okay? Like, there was the episode where I wore my hair down for the olives. And you guys were like, like, you didn't even acknowledge it. That's what I'm saying. Like, I had private thoughts and I didn't say it. I didn't express them and then you got mad. - Well, that hair was almost like I had been afflicted by something bigger than myself. And no one said a word and that made me question our relationship, you know, like. - That's why those listeners out there, like that really upset Connor when I didn't, when I didn't say anything. - Oh, beyond this. No, I'm cool to have a conversation about the body and the way I carry it. - Yeah. - So. - I would want someone to step in if there was something that's sticking up being like, are you sure this is what you want? To be frank. - Normally, I would not ever comment on anything anyone is doing with their hair, body. - Probably, of course. We're having a side boat. - I wouldn't even do it privately, usually. - I would. - I know you do. But like to me, your bangs are my Sherpa. - Your bangs are my Sherpa. Oh. (laughing) - When you wouldn't like me, your bangs are my Sherpa. The purple timepiece. - Yeah, timeless. - I know that had an expiration date. That jacket had an expiration date. - So, here we are. - Oh wait, Sherpa reminds me of something crazy that someone gave me at my show in Durham, North Carolina last week. - What? - Someone gave me a Merca. - What's a Merca? - I think it's a bush, a stick on bush for my. For my. - Wait, would it something carpet, kitty carpet? - It's called a kitty carpet. - I don't think that's for you. - Um. Okay, but it can be. It can be trimmed to fun shapes. So, I feel like I could make it work. - Okay. - In my Sherpa area. - Dude, have you like expressed wanting something like that? - No, I think it was really just like free rain. They saw this and they felt like it called. I mean, if I had expressed outwardly about wanting. Merkin, not Merca. - Merkin? - Merkin. If I had expressed wanting a Merkin, I would have been here. I, um, I've never said I didn't want one. So I guess it's kind of just like open. And it says, "Botch Brazilian, misbehaved shave, "unveiled Vajayjay, kitty carpet, reasonable downstairs to pay." - I was gonna say it looks like a to pay. - I'm gonna take it out of its package. - Take it out of its package. Remember when everyone would say Vajayjay? And it was like the funniest thing in the world. - Yeah, I feel like Katie Perry came up with that. Whoa, it's, it's, um, like large and in charge. - That is like not a color that I've ever seen it. And like, that's not, yeah. That's definitely decorative. Like, that's not meant to look natural. It's definitely a statement piece. - Well, it can be trimmed. - Yeah, regardless of the shape and color, like, or the shape and size, like that color is like, it's meant to be a statement piece. - It's very soft. It feels like a Yorkie poo. - Is it, okay. - Like, if I was to describe this offense, it truly feels like a, like a shitsuit puppy. - Okay. - Wow, what a lovely mark and you have. Thank you. - Maybe you could firm it into a sole path. - You put the, you put the sticky, oh, should I do it right? - Yeah, not now. Maybe for bonus, you could do the path. - Okay, for bonus, I'm gonna put the mark on my chin. - Yeah. - Like that, make me not a song. - You wanna see Connor put the mark on his chin. - Maybe it's time to put this post here on your chin. Okay, cool. Well, so that came from there. What was I gonna tell you? Oh, I made, I'm, I guess like, let me, let me get ahead of a bunch of stuff really quick. If you, unless you have something pertinent that's happened this morning that you're gonna, like, forget or you wanna get off right away. - The horse. - Okay, so I'm actively moving out. So I guess to chat with you guys, to chat Nougat really quick. I don't have a home after, after I leave on Friday. - Okay. - So the patients needed on my behalf for the coming weeks in case I am without home, like we may be doing some like genuine remote, OG remote mic on my laptop podcasting. - What if you came to LA while you don't? You're gonna be in LA on starting Sunday. - Oh, just 'cause you don't have home? - Well, I have Netflix as a joke next week. - Yes. - So I actually need to talk to you guys about, it's on Wednesday. - Girl. - Maybe. Yeah. Anyways, we'll cross that bridge. But yeah, so I'm looking for, I'm obviously looking for an apartment and I just told you guys they have been touring my apartment just about every day, which is awesome because they are like it is in shambles. I'm like, I'm moving out and I, and this is just kind of how I live. They go, "There's so many rocks in the kitchen." I go, "Those are my rocks." Like that's the rock area of my kitchen. I found the perfect apartment last week. So basically in New York, there's only one app you can use, basically, street easy to find an apartment. And like even if you get like, if you have a friend that like works in the realtor space, they're sending you links to street easy. It's like, I'm confused. But I got one that was genuinely my ideal place. And I was like, "Oh, I did it and I did this on my own." And it was in my budget. It was in my area. It was, it checked every single box, perfect little podcast studio and house. Not like a five floor walkup where like I'm walking up five flights of stairs every day, you know, perfect. I read the description because it was one of those things, you know when you find the perfect whatever and you just like keep clicking the link and reading and about it and like clicking through the pictures and looking at the floor plan and just like writing your first name and then the apartment address as your last name and your diary. I get down to this bottom line that like, I really figured was about legalities and I hadn't read it yet. Note, this list, This thing is for the walk-in closet portion of the bedroom only all caps, not the complete bedroom or apartment and not the king bed. No. So my perfect listing in my budget is someone's closet. Someone is looking for someone to live in their closet. That party I hadn't even thought, yeah, I hadn't even gotten there. I'm bummed about my dream apartment. Someone listed their closet. Okay. Yeah, and the walk-in closet is in the bedroom. So jail would be good. I do want to like, now that you said that, maybe flag it, but they're not hiding anything. You know? That's so interesting. No, I mean, I guess they're just looking for a roommate. Closet mate. It kind of seems like they're looking for like something lower than a roommate. Someone to. I don't. I don't even know if it was sexual. Did you ever watch that? Maybe I told you to. Uh, the one with like the gay BBSM one, the gay BBSM, what is it? Pillian. No, I didn't watch it. You need to. You told me it wouldn't like it. And I want you to, I want your thoughts. Maybe I'll watch it in LA when I'm there. Yeah, that's like something I really want to hear what you think. Thank you. Maybe is he brought me my, um, coffee, I did not have any this morning. So I'm going to take a little, little sippy. I hope you don't mind. Enjoy. No, do it. Thank you. What is it? What is that? Matcha. Oh, good. Let me, let me put a straw in here. Go ahead. No, do whatever you have to do over there. I see you have a beverage as well. Yeah, I got a green juice. Nice. What's in it? Well, it's pure greens with lemon and ginger, kale, spinach, cucumber, celery, zucchini, romaine, which is funny because romaine. No, we don't need to have a conversation about romaine. No, we do. And I'll tell you why. Okay. Tell me why we had. I was just going to say romaine lettuce will always remind me of when I went to Whole Foods. And I said, hi, what aisle is the iceberg? They go, we don't sell iceberg. I go. Oh, did I, for a second, I thought I was like being canceled because I thought that iceberg was like a word we didn't use anymore one or like two. Are we boycotting iceberg like is it like there's like a Titanic boycott happening? And I was like, oh, I would have known about that iceberg. And I go, um, why don't you have iceberg and they go, it doesn't have any nutritional value. We don't sell it here. Which like who gives a fuck? Like it's not like it's bad for you. And the point is like you can put so many like things that are good for you around it. Yeah. Iceberg is a vehicle to move things from point A to point my mouth. Yeah. The way do you ever watch big? My Melissa's mukbangs, mukbangs, what do you mean? No, I don't watch her mukbangs. No, but I, I follow it. It's not, I guess it's not even that. It's just like her cooking and eating, um, so not a muk mukbang at all. But the way that she frames food, I always think about like if she were my mom, I would have like the healthiest relationship with food because she's so pro like carbs and like bread, pita, whatever is just like a vehicle for the nutrients. She's like, yeah, this is perfect. Don't even worry about it like this is good. You just like because you need it to like get the nutrients in you like it's a pretty matter of fact. She's, I really, yeah, I really like the way that she eats and frames the eating experience and cooks. And why we need to talk about remain. Happy Mother's Day, baby. It's by Melissa. Happy Mother's Day. To bake by Melissa and bake by Melissa only, um, but I've been doing so many podcasts recently that are that will come out later, but that are all like book related and awesome. Like I've had so much fun and it's great to be able to talk about that. But like, you know what I can't talk about during those remain, and just like when my head wanders, it's like, I can't just say what pops in. Wow. So I've had it's actually like this whole just like Phoebe press experience while amazing has really kind of, um, sparks or re it reignite this the spark of my love for Broken Conor Maker Podcast. I love that, bro. Wow. Yeah. That's so amazing. Yeah. I could see that being when you're doing press for, for, to promote something. And it's not some like work like like when I do press for like a tour of I'm saying a long tutorial. It is just like, oh, it's fine. I want to come see him be fun. But like you're promoting your, your work, like you're written work, like that's totally different. No, it's pretty good. No, it has nothing. Look, I'm not being funny at all. No, it hasn't. You have a prompt, you know, yeah, no, and it's again, that's crazy. So fun and amazing. I love it and always a pleasure to talk about the book. It's different and to rewire your brain to rewire. Someone says something and you can't be like, oh, my God, like my college professor doesn't eat romaine because she had a man that had the coli diarrhea and it just shit like that. So it's like, I feel I felt, I've been feeling really happy. I feel happy to be sitting in the kind of like Clarkson recently. Oh my gosh. Well, we're lucky. We're lucky to have you. Yeah. Thanks for having me. This family, this room. Yeah. And this family in this room. Speaking of my professor, that hate romaine, can eat romaine anymore because of the poop on it from the fields. I am obviously like I cooked on my stove this morning because I'm trying to get rid of the groceries that I have because I'm genuinely leaving Friday and I'm not coming back to the apartment. Right. Like, movers are coming while I'm gone. Which is crazy. Where will they put your stuff, Connor? It's cool. New York is cool. Like New York people have lived here like like New York is cool and people have lived here for a long time. You should check it out. You have to check out New York. It's gorgeous. I'm a year. New York has had people living here for so long that they have like problems with a lot of things where I'm like pulling out my hair and I'm like, what am I going to do with my stuff? And all of the moving companies I've talked to you like, oh, we'll just store it until you find your new apartment. Oh, that's perfect. So they have like storage facilities like, like a built-in storage and moving in one way. They move it right to the unit and then when you when you find your place, they pull it all back out, put it back in the, like there's no, yeah, yeah, it's so awesome. But the only thing I'm kind of worried about, which like I watch all these ads that people do with like roadway moving and cupcake moving and Oatley move, I don't all the movers and they're always like, yeah, was there and I didn't lift a finger. I didn't do that. And it does kind of seem like you do have to lift a finger, I did not lift a finger with roadway. You didn't? No. And to the point where it's uncomfortable, I'm not going to, like, can I have, like you just watch. Oh my God, you're like, you're like, the moving cock. You're a total moving cock. Wow. And I remember with roadway, like they had a, like, I was just like, I guess I'll like meet you at my new place. And then I just like waited there for a while because I felt so uncomfortable watching them pack and silence. Do their thing. Yeah. Then they were great because they packed for me too. Like I literally, there's, I didn't do anything. I, there was no prep for moving. It was literally just like a four hour experience. It was amazing. And the only thing that I really did was unpack. I just like, I look around my apartment and I'm like, where are they going to put my chotch? You know? Yeah. But like, you do have to, you do have to let go and let God with moving, especially with the movers. Like these boys were built, built for that, posing girls, maybe. You know that episode of Nathan for you, where they framed the, like, um, movers as like, a workout. I didn't. I didn't. And so you got people that actually paid to move you because it was their workout class. Couldn't be more brilliant. Yeah. He's so brilliant. I wonder what he's, what he's working on. He was on Raya recently. Nice. You know that? I mean, yeah. He's always there. He's there. There's like, I would say like, they're my three of my top five are on Raya. You're a big three. And I can't get on. And I'm making it worse all the time by just screaming about it. But I don't want to be on Raya. Like can you imagine? Well, I obviously do so badly, but like, can you imagine like dating updates are anxiety inducing enough? Imagine like, I wouldn't match with them anyway, probably, but like, not because I don't think they would like me back, but like imagine like, setting up a date with like Nathan Fielder and like knowing you're like showing up to like a seated dinner with Nathan Fielder. Like I'd much rather run into him in the wild than like show up for an intentional seated dinner. Like I wouldn't sleep for weeks. That would be a tough dynamic broke. I do want to say like, although it seems like so amazing, it would be like really not fun. I don't think. Like I just want to like do a seated dinner with Nathan. I just want to like, on a romantic level, like we've matched and I don't think that would be like, you're, you would really want to like go on a date with someone you're a massive fan. But I'm saying, well, then just you wouldn't, then you just don't match with. I would want to be in the wild. Yeah. Obviously, can you imagine? And what am I going to do? I'm not going to swipe left. But then obviously, the swiping right, and then having them confirmed to not match that with you, how horrible. I love sitting in this ignorance-is-place of like, "Hey, they'd like me if they just got to know me." But having that firm confirmation of like, "No, it would be too much." And I think it's actually a blessing. I've not been allowed on to Raya. Thank you, Raya. Thank you, Raya. Thank you for the blessing in disguise, Raya. Yeah. Yeah, it's all going to be okay. I know that. I was sitting I last night, did a cool, it was just really nice out and I was going home from the gym, loved my gym still, by the way. That's awesome. It's completely all old people at the times that I go. And it's like me and it's like me and all my, it's me and all my old people. It's so, I mean, anyways, yesterday I had my first, like I'm in the gym. And I'm about to pass out moment and fully I was playing it off so much and I'm really pushing myself and I'm like full blown, like there's the room is spinning around my head, like a cartoon. And I was like, "Oh God, let's do it." I think we go up and wait probably a little bit more. And I was doing the hump machine. You know what I'm talking about? No. So many of these things are like actually, like these machines are actually completely for like a humiliation ritual. I put a belt, you put a belt, you strap your waist and belt wise to the hump machine. Oh, like you're, you're humping the air. I'm humping the air. No, no, is he, is he? It's not even that kind of hump machine. I was upside down hump machine. So every time I would do it, by the way, it makes clanking sounds like you're on a work, like a construction site. I don't, it felt like the machine wasn't finished being put together. And then as soon as I, I was like, "Oh, it's pretty loud." He goes, "Yeah, we just got this." I'm like, "Oh my God, they put it together wrong." Like the hump machines about to fall apart and I'm going to be, I'm going to die on the hump machine. So I'm kind of humping the air and every time I am dick up, face down, like then it makes that loud. No, so everyone's looking in my direction. I'm completely inverted and my pelvis is like facing north. Do you have a trainer? Are you doing this all so low? No, that was with a trainer. I have a trainer. Wow. Yeah, he's amazing. I need because it's a personal thing. I'm not going to say his name. And you know? Have you ever said anyone's names before? Yeah, Ray from Frambridge, who is like, "Actually, next time you're in New York, he's going to come on." So just like, Ray, if you're listening, which I think that, you might, I think that you might be. Based on our conversation, he has, like, he has some stories to share with us. Like, he's really keen to come on. I would love to have, right? He had, he gave me some, some peaks into, like, some of the stories he has to tell. And I was like, I don't even want, like, it was great, like, the guy's been around the block. I think that that's our, like, missing secret sauce that we've not activated is random guests. I think, like, sometimes we'll have, like, a guest that, like, works like Dill, you know? But other times, it's hard because, like, we have such a specific dynamic. And I think that that dynamic would really work with randoms. I completely agree. It's like, there must be some magic in that old silk hat they found. In that what? In that old silk hat they found. That old silk cap. That old silk hat they found. That old silk hat. Yeah. I don't get it. Well, because when they, when they placed it on his head, he began to dance around. Right has a silk hat. In many ways, yes. Oh, your Jewish, oh my god, your Jewish. That's frosty. The snowman. It's a song. Oh, no, I know frosty. I don't know. I guess they don't know the lyrics. Super well. Okay. There must have been some magic in that old silk hat they found when they placed it. Okay. I didn't know about the silk cap. I just knew about the very shiny nose or had a very, what is it shiny nose? Frosty. The snowman had a very, what, what did he have? Very. Hmm. It's shiny nose with a, sounds like a cap and a button nose, button nose. Frosty. The snowman had a very. Very special. Boy. It's just like that episode of the office where Andy's trying to get that jingle. Give me a break, give me a break. Wait, Frosty and snowman had a very jolly happy soul. No. Jolly. Jolly happy soul. Oh my god. Frosty and the snowman had a very jolly happy soul now. I didn't realize he had a soul. Had a very. He was a very jolly happy. Frosty, the snowman was a very happy jolly soul. It's not how it goes. It was a jolly happy soul. Frosty, the snowman was a jolly happy soul. I don't agree that that's how it went. I don't agree. With corn, with corn cob pipe, with corn cob pipe, what, this, these can't be the lyrics. Hello. I have corn cob pipe. Hi. I have button nose. I have two eyes. They're made out of coal. Uh, they're saying I'm a fairy tale. I'm made out of snow, but I am a very jolly happy soul. Is he Russian? I don't know. That was like a new one for me. Okay. I guess the only lyrics I knew genuinely were there must have been some magic in that old silk cap they found when they placed it on his head. He began to dance around is the end of this, is the end of the song he melts. To me, the only lyrics I knew were he had a very shiny nose and those weren't the lyrics. I had to see the snowman head to her and his way, but he waved goodbye saying don't you cry. I'll be back again someday. How come how come everything is like inherently very religious or are you saying Frosty Jesus? It did feel that way because I mean, if he's coming back, he's reincarnate or not. Well, maybe he's reincarnated. I think they're just going to remake him when there's snow again, but he had a soul. These children watched around as he died. He's 10 is the I'm sorry. Would you mind googling is Frosty a metaphor for Jesus? Thanks. He's always coming back to this. That was not the original intent of the creators, but many interpret Frosty disome as a secular matter for our allegory for Jesus Christ. Drawing parallels to his life, his death and the resurrection, miraculous birth, Holy Spirit magic, reincarnation. I got it. Hi, Frosty Jesus. Hi, come back someday. That means that all those kids are like Pontius Pilate and like all of his disciples that betrayed him by good luck with the sun, Frosty, never heard of Pontius Pilate. I believe he betrayed Jesus alert. Not Judas. Judas. Yeah. What was Pontius? Good job, Brooke. Thank you. I love when I love when Brooke goes Christian on my ass. He was the governor, yeah, he following his brutal suppression of a Samaritan uprising. Oh, wait, what? I don't know. Like I've never heard of this guy. Okay. He did something bad. Yeah. Can we type in why was this? He crucified Jesus. Oh, he was the crucifier. Is. Yeah. That's not good. Yeah. Okay. Well, good. You know Judas' last name, I thought they weren't doing last. I thought Judas was like share, but I'm seeing now that he has a last name is Scariot. That's good name. Not a modern surname, but an epithet, likely meaning man of Kerioth, which just extinguished him from other disciples like Judas. Name Judas. Other theories suggest it means liar or derives from dagger welders though man of Kerioth is most widely. So it's just like the town he was from, Judas of blank. Right. I got that. Brooke of, Brooke of mainline. I love that. Yeah. Um, thank God for this podcast. Like how did, why are we talking about Judas of frosty? Oh, because of frosty. Why were we talking about frosty? As you started singing about a silk cat cause, cause, um, yeah, well, what are we going to do? I do, I have something I like pretty, I do need to talk about, do it. And I would say like from this point on in the episode, if you have like really strong negative feelings about Michael Jackson, I would end the episode. I would not listen to the rest of this episode because I saw Michael. Yeah. And it has led me to, I can't remember the last time I have done a dive like this. I have watched every single Michael Jackson film, documentary, TikTok, anything that has ever been made. I feel, I just, I feel really, really strongly, um, about his mistreatment. Okay. This, I mean, first of all, go see the movie, I actually didn't like, I wasn't obsessed with the movie in the way that you would think based off of the spiral that I've gone. Why are you plugging your nose? I wasn't. It was a, it's a, I was dancing. Oh, okay. No, go ahead. Sorry. The movie, you didn't feel strongly before you, no, okay. Great question. Before I had always loved Michael's music, but it was obviously just like very confused because like obviously a lot of different people are saying a lot of different things. And clearly there was a disturbance there. Like he wasn't. Well, and everything just really confused me. And I kind of just like never really looked into it too much, you know. But of course, love the music. And kind of, I would say I previously was inclined to believe the negative things people were saying. Right. But, you know, after the movie, you kind of see how he grew up and how deeply he was abused. And the movie couldn't touch on much just for like legal reasons. So for that reason, I did feel like it was missing like some soul and like a big piece of the story. But it was good. And like the performances were amazing. Jafar was like the only person that I think could play him. His nephew. Yeah, that's pretty cool to do that. But the politics are so interesting because he's germane Jackson's son. And it is my understanding from all of the research that I've been doing that like germane and Michael like they were not on great terms. Right. So it's very interesting. There's a lot of like family politics involved. Some of the Jackson family members were like I do not fuck with this movie at all. And then some including like his sons were like on set and producing. So it's interesting. I'm confused. Like this all comes back down to like I don't understand what an estate is. It is an estate made up. I would I would assume like the estate is made up of the family of because but that's just my literal sense of like what an estate is like a large home, you know, where everyone lives. And maybe the like the Ken of the whoever this is, that would be your estate. But it's an estate is made up of like a team of lawyers and like professionals. Right. So so they're ultimately deciding like and that's there's so much money in this that like I don't think it ends up being like this one was this this this this uncle or this this cousin or this kid was closer to Michael. And so they are making executive decisions. I think this is so big that like these professionals are making these decisions on like a corporation level. I truly do not know how an estate works by any like at all. And I can't even like pretend to say like I can't even try to have a conversation. Pretending that I do like it is so beyond me. I really don't get it. Can we look up because that's who called the shots for this. It's been a long time coming for this movie and like it wasn't easy even casting it. Okay. And a state is the total sum of all property assets and liabilities, including bank accounts, real estate vehicles and personal belongings. That's owned by a person at the time of their death that acts as legal entity holding these assets, which are then managed tax and distributed by an executor. So their estate is actually an animate. So the inanimate piece is the executor. And the executor is assigned pre debt by Michael. Yeah, surely. But like no one's ever happy. You know, like I'm sure like not one of Michael's family members are satisfied for better or for worse. Like I don't know. But you know, it's never like, oh yeah, this is exactly what I want. Yeah. I don't know how they call shots at all to be honest. I don't need it. And like this is the kind of thing I'm saying like we should have a lawyer on the podcast that like we don't know to ask these questions to like we don't need to be having like random people with followers. Like we need a lawyer. Wow, I wonder if I'm trying to think of it. I follow some lawyers on TikTok. But like we can offline like let's go to lawyer. And then another episode I think we should do like scientists and stuff like that. Let's have Kim Kardashian. Did she pass the bar? Let's just have Kim. Not yet. Oh, not yet. When she passes the bar, let's get Kim Kardashian on the pod. Agree. We need someone that's like so well-versed in this, but not literally not not like a serious lawyer, like fun lawyer, fun lawyer. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Movie. Yeah. So it is. Yeah. Anyway, it was really good. Jafar like was the only person that I think could play Michael. I think he did him just as he was amazing. There was a like a just like a little bit of something missing for me. Like a darkness or depth or something that they couldn't go into, but like it was it was good prompted this spiral. And I just, more of the story is that the guy just had his childhood stolen from him. And that was really kind of what he was trying to do for the rest of his life was like get that. He was all he was kind of sucking that spot. Like he really was like a big kid. And that's kind of how everything hit the fan in a way. That yeah. Like he was like, like, like, stunted kind of in a very heartbreaking way. Yeah. Obviously, like I don't know enough about the thing. I just I know hearsay as well. I think we like kind of went into this a while back. I think when the movie announced it was going to come out, we kind of like a very like isn't he bad? Well, we did a shallow doubt. Yeah. We did a Michael Phelps Tiger Woods style dive into like who Michael Jackson was. And then Macaulay Culkin when the movie was released. I remember it came out and was like, this is my friend. You know, like nothing weird happened. I spent a lot of time with him. I didn't have a lot of friends in the industry. And this guy took me under his wing and showed me a good time. And what a kid should have because he lacked that. So he wanted to make sure that these like child stars were able to have that. That was what I got out of the Macaulay Culkin thing. I mean, again, it could could be wrong. I can I ask a genuine question or an ask questions for my heart? Yes. And I can try and answer it. Like obviously they didn't in the movie touch on that. It's obviously for legal reasons. I they did not get any of the child abuse charge right now. Have we have there been like victims that have spoken out and been like, I was like how? Yeah. Oh, okay. That was finding Neverland. The document or leaving Neverland escaping Neverland. There was one of the Neverland documentaries was like people coming forward and being like, yes, I was abused. But it's tough because it was all after his death. And he there was not he had a trial before and was acquitted of all charges. There was a big FBI investigation. No one found anything. And then after his death, a lot of people came forward. And then it was, you know, it's all it's tough because it's like you don't want to like negate someone's claims and experiences. But also like he's not here to defend himself. He's been acquitted. I don't know. It's just a lot of hearsay. And so all I can do is go off of all of the media that I've consumed, which tells me Michael was just a kid truly. Yeah. The movie was good though. Was fun. The movie fun. Yeah. No, the music. That's the thing like the music and the performances were incredible. I was thinking I got a little bit bored at the end because I think I just felt like it was leading up to something like big and soul crushing and it never got there. It was kind of like a little bit of an edging experience. Yeah. I feel like all of those movies that like Rocketman and Bohemian Rhapsody were missing like one big piece and the big piece that was missing were like things that would open a can of worms that are hard to shut. Yes. Yes. But I think those two movies went a little bit deeper than this one did. Yeah. Which is my critique, but also like what can you do when there's all the lawyers? Anyway, I would go see it. I'm only consuming Michael's stuff now. I have a few documentaries left on the dockets. His best friends growing up were Obama and a chimp. He had a giraffe. He literally was just searching for a connection and friendship and his childhood. That's what he had. His dad devil incarnate, worst guy that I have had the displeasure of of meeting. Was it similar to Amy Winehouse? Was it what? Similar to Amy Winehouse situation. I actually like shockingly don't know too much about Amy. Oh, my. My doppel. But I don't know, but he was played by Coleman Domingo who I like a door and now I can't look at the guy. Oh, no. He acted good of an actor. He played the part too well. I cannot look at him. Like even like his interviews and like him on the red carpet, I like have to scroll. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Crazy job, Coleman. Yeah. Okay. I don't know if I don't know if I'll go see it. Well, do you know about the Pepsi commercial where his hair lit on fire? No. there it was really horrifying he was basically his dad forced him into like I'm not his app I was trying to just milk him for all that he was worth. And that was the Jackson Five. And so when Michael was going on his own journey and doing his own stuff, his dad was like, nope, you're gonna do another Jackson Five tour and he really didn't want to, but he did because he felt like he'd be letting the family down. And so when they were practicing, they were doing something for Pepsi and something exploded in his hair lit on fire. And he got really horrible second and third degree burns. And he was like rushed to the hospital and like-- - No way. - Yeah, like his hair never grew back. Like there's like why he had a lot of problems with his hair. And he donated the entire, all of the money he got in the lawsuit back to the, to the burn unit. Like he was always trying to just like help the people that needed it. - I'll tell him, I hope, yeah. - Gorgeous. - It wasn't, I mean, it wasn't even like a thought. He was like, any money we get from this, it's going back to this unit. - Pepsi, Pepsi can't catch a break with its commercials, can they? - Well, this was the original like Kendall Jenner commercial. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I can't think of like a Pepsi when-- - I don't know, yeah, I don't like-- - Shout out. - People are saying that Pepsi's gonna lose so much stock after this movie. - Ooh. - Yeah. Which is like, yeah, I get that. - Just care, let's just on set. - Yeah, and like they just like, didn't handle the situation. Like why is Michael in the line? Like giving the money back to the, to the burn unit. Like Pepsi should have done something with the money from the commercial or like, and literally something. - Well, yeah, I know. Well, it was a different, I mean, it was a different time where like now if that ever happened, like you were a force to do that because of the power of the people online. You know, like that would have been the initial thing like the risk maker. - PR was very, it wasn't really existing as much back then, was it? - No, I'm also so interested in like the journey he went on with his appearance and confidence because that is what his dad did to him. Like that was his dad's form of abuse. In addition to physical abuse, he was like, you're so ugly. And like that's why Michael started getting those jobs. - Wow. - Yeah, it's all so crazy. - Jinkies. - Jinkies. - Oh my God. - Yup, I like, it is my R.E. Roman Empire. Like I'll be here for a pretty long time. - Okay. Well nice, it's fun to have something to deep dive into. I will be honest with that. - And there's so much. - Yeah. You know, my mom genuinely, if you talk to it, if we called her right now, she actually called her this morning and she didn't answer or call me back, which worries me. She was convinced fully with her chest as a teenager, she was marrying Michael Jackson. And you couldn't seal today. Like she fully is like, that was my first love and that's still my like. - People don't talk about how much of a heartthrob he was and how deeply women felt for him. - Can I say something? Like towards the end when he was kind of like, I was like, I just saw that like, Jackson five to like, present day, like when he 2009. It is like shock. And obviously that was like, there was a lot that caused that. But like my mom was attracted to 2009, Michael, just because it was Michael. - I understand completely now. - That is just like, I can't, it's hard for me to rap. - No, I understand completely now. And also now that you know, like, it's like he was trying, like he wasn't like, it wasn't intentional really. Like he was trying to correct. Like the first like three nose jobs, like, yeah. Like he was trying, he had a complex about his nose. But and then it was like a lot of corrective surgery because he fucked it up. And so that's what happened there. Like he wasn't trying to like, do all of that with his nose. And then the skinny had, I don't know how to say it. It's Vichelle Jo, Vidaligo, Vidaligo. - Vidaligo. - And yeah, he was just like trying to even out his skin tone and it made him close to the sun. - But now that I feel like I know Michael so well from his youth, which I imagine your mom did. Like I see him in 2009, Michael. - Yeah. - Whereas I think if you're like not familiar with his journey, those look like two separate people. - Yeah. - But now that I see younger Michael in 2009, Michael, I'm like, yeah, that's still Michael. - Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. - Yeah. So at his voice, last thing I'll say, probably not though, that was not his real voice. He was just trying to protect his vocal cords. So he'd spoken that really like high pitch register to protect his vocal cords. But that was not his real voice. And sometimes in interviews, you can hear him slip into his real voice and it's very jarring because it's deep. - That's interesting. I didn't know that. - Let me read you a letter that he wrote to his driver 'cause basically his dad was just like so abusive that he had these really strong paternal connections with both his security guard and his driver who to this day will ride for him like no matter what. They're like Michael is our son in the most amazing man. Sorry, actually, so I sent this note to every single person in my family and a group chat. So I'm just looking for that group chat. 'Cause obviously I've been FaceTiming everyone I know, just to talk. 'Cause like my grandparents were around and he was around it and I'm like, what was your experience like with Michael, et cetera? - You were asking them? - I asked every person in my family older than like 50. So yeah, talk to Shusu. One of the biggest Michael fans I know. - This is what Michael, this is a letter Michael wrote to his driver. - His driver, okay, go. - Bill, it's been a long road. We've traveled throughout the years, concerts, tours, meetings, dignitaries, kings and queens of countries, touring around the world twice, making people happy through the gift and love of music. I'm coming of age now and nearly realize the importance of true love. Joseph, that's his dad and his dad was like, call me Joseph. Which is why Michael was so insistent on his kids calling him daddy. Joseph never even had time for me. He only saw me as a way for him to make money. And as you know, mother was a perfect mother, but I never was with her. My childhood was on stage away from mother. What I'm simply trying to say is thank you for being a father. I don't know what would have happened to me if you were not around. I love you, MJ. - That's, that stays with you. - That stays with you. - How is his driver today? What is his driver doing? - I don't know the driver as well as I do his security guard. Bill, no, Bill the driver. Security guard was in the movie and they have a really close connection. - Were they like well taken care of? - Oh yes, oh absolutely. - Possumously? - I don't, well, like, I would like to think so, but I don't know what the estate is up to. And I think his Michael died so unexpectedly. Like I don't know how much his affairs were in order. Probably, that's probably you prepare if you're someone like Michael Jackson. - Yeah, I don't know who the executor is. - We should have him on the pod. - We need to have Michael Jackson's executor. I don't imagine he had one executor. That'd be like genuinely being the CFO of a significantly large country. That like is relevant indefinitely. - There's also all these, oh. - It's one, it's one person. Oh my God. - Oh, it's John. It's John. I know John, he was played by Vile Seller in the film. He's a good guy. And he had Michael's best in his heart. - John Bronca and John McLean. - I don't know if I know John McLean, but I do know John Bronca well. So they've been responding to me. - Executors of the probed estate in the trustees of Michael Jackson Family Trust. - Geez, that's crazy. - As of 2025 to 2060, Executors have faced scrutiny from beneficiary Paris, Jackson regarding high legal fees and management decisions with the executor's arguing their actions have been in the best interest of the estate. It's hard to, yeah. These states assets are designed to benefit Michael Jackson's mother Catherine and his three children, Prince Paris. And is it biggie or beegee? Beegee. That formerly blanket. - Wait, where's, oh, I was gonna say, where's blanket? - Okay. I see, okay, cool, well interesting. Well, I'm sure I'm not gonna see it, I don't think. - Why? - I don't know, maybe. Maybe when it comes out on my TV. - Okay, anyway, that's that. My favorite song. I would like to watch the thriller music video in the bonus if you don't mind. - No, let's do it. That'd be lovely. - He really was the first to do it like that. That's what I'll say about that. - Do you want to, and like probably 2000, I would say maybe 2009, all of the moms in my neighborhood dressed up like zombies and they did the thriller dance and it was like really funny. They like choreographed it and they did it in a parking lot. - There was also a part of the movie. I didn't understand about Michael kind of uniting the bloods and the crypts and like ending that. that, which I was like, wait, what? Did you know that? - No. - Me neither. So a little bit fuzzy for me. He had them both on set for, what song was it? Beat it. He was kind of having them join forces. I'm not sure how that ended. It was a random part of the movie that was a question mark for me. Let's see. Michael Jackson cast 80 Members of the Los Angeles Crips and Bloods for the music video Beat It and hopes to foster peace between them. Yeah, he did. That's true. But I don't know if it worked. - And then maybe that day, they had peace in that moment, which is nice. - Wow. Well, I'm going to have trouble moving forward from this because nothing is going to be as up-mote, up-mote, up-mote, important. It's going to really just sound really stupid. - No, that's fine. Let's end with something. - Of what I say. I don't like, I don't want to be the next, I don't want to say the next thing. - Try. - Maybe I go into something nice, stupidest thing that's on my list of things to talk about. - Yeah, start with the most stupid. - Okay. It's stupid to many, but to me, I like it. They just released six, seven-shaped chicken nuggets. And when you say, "What is six, seven-shaped?" It's sixes and sevens. And I just want to say, if anyone has a qualm with the six, seven nuggets, I need I remind you, and need I raise you, Shrek, Green, and Purple ketchup, which I had to have in the home. And my parents gladly bought for me. - Yeah. Kids yearn for like novelty, you know? - You'll never catch me upset about six, seven, 'cause like, it makes people happy. - It does. - It makes people happy. It's so harmless. Something harmless that brings joy like this. And by the way, I fuck with Purdue nuggets. - I was gonna say Purdue, making these like, that's so six, seven. - That is so six, seven. And like, those two me are so good, 'cause like, they're so good right out of the fridge. Like, no oven necessary to me. - Yeah, right out of the freezer. - Well, I like the refrigerated ones. - I like to put them in my ice water and make it hint of, hint of six, seven nugget. - Nice. - hint of chicken. Did you get the Shrek ketchup? - No, I don't remember the Shrek ketchup. - Oh, we gotta pull up the Shrek ketchup. Computer, show me Shrek ketchup. That it was so good, it was green and purple. I knew it, easy squirt. - How did I not have that? - So the one, the one flavor is Shrek. And I think the other flavor was dragon, the dragon white. - Yeah. - And then they had the red flavor and it was Fiona, 'cause she had, she has, and then I started thinking when the red was Fiona, that maybe it's like, like Fiona bleeds red, 'cause she's a human. Shrek bleeds green, 'cause he's a goblin. I feel like if anything, Fiona would have bled green. - Like maybe her heart is green. - I think she bleeds green. - Oh, did Shrek ketchup have a recall? - Oh, I see what you're seeing. - Yeah. Well, maybe the flavor, the flavor described as blast and green, obviously, like, that I was blasting all over my eggs and stuff in the morning. It's funny. Could you imagine RFK Junior talking about blast and green, Shrek ketchup? - Yes, honestly. - That's when I was raised on this. So the autism that he says is caused by Thailand always definitely probably caused by blast and green, easy, squirt, Shrek flavored ketchup. - I think it's all possible that Michael Jackson was on this back drum. - That's totally possible. This morning, I sent you that Snapchat that I used my stove top today just as like, saying goodbye to it as I move out. And I made this delicious meal. And then there was a ton of mold in my cheese. - That sucked because besides the mold, that looked so good. - I ate it. - Did you scrape the mold off? - I got as much of it as I cooked, but then it was concentrated into one area. - I convinced myself any dairy that has mold in it, like, I'm obviously not gonna drink like chunky milk, but like, isn't mold like really a part of dairy in a big way or no? - No. - No. - You're talking about like, oh wait, you're talking about cheese. - Isn't cheese mold? - I think cheese is moldy milk. - No yogurt is moldy. I don't know. - No yogurt's not moldy. Cheese is moldy. Cheese is edible mold. Tim, like that's why, like cheese is gross. Unless it's mozzarella or barada. Or cheddar when it's melted. - Cheese, cheese is mold. - And parmesan on pasta. - Trimps is bugs. Men with vapes are ladies. - What? - Thank you, is he? Always there for me? - What's that from? - Cheese is mold, shrimp is bugs. Men with vapes is ladies. - What is men with vapes is ladies from? - Ladies, ladies, please. I'm trying to work, Tychef. - Nice. - Thanks. Did you see my shirt? - Yes, I keep meaning, like you keep start talking and then I'm like, oh Connor's shirt is amazing. Let me bring it up and then I forget by the time you're done. I love that. Did someone give that to you at a show? - No, I bought it myself. - Was it just like online? - I got an ad, a targeted ad for a shirt that says let Papa cook. - That's amazing. - And you know what company it's from? - No. - The life is good company. That's the whole company. - Love life is good. - Their whole company is like, I'm a stick figure and I have a family. - Yeah. - And I grill. It's pretty great. - No, it's like dad central. - Dad core. - So dad core. - Okay, before we leave, yeah. I wanna really quickly talk about how much time do we have? - Two minutes and I would actually even argue like 130 because of how much I need to pee. - Okay, white Lotus has lost. It lost a good one. - Helena Bonham. Bowman, what's her name? Bonham Carter. - Bonham Carter. - Replace with Laura Dern. And did you know, she didn't know until she got this set that the character Mike White created for her was cute but no longer a match. - Yeah, I thought it was cute but no longer a match. - I wanna know what the character was. It sucks. I need to know if this, and I think that they rewrote this character because Laura Dern's already been in white Lotus. Her voice is already in white Lotus. - I know, I feel like they're just gonna be like, that didn't happen. - I promise you, Mike White does not flick away a character that he's created even if-- - What was she, was Michael Imperial A's ex-wife? - Yeah. - I promise you, she's that character. - We had to, it was so cute not a match with Helena. So she's gone and now we're rewriting the character. So it's like, if it was so cute not a match, that's fine. But like if you're rewriting the character anyway, why wouldn't you just rewrite it for someone's cuter and a match? - There was a fallout, there was a fallout. - There was a total fallout. - And I think it could be truly because Helena bottom, and this is from my reading, I wanna say. - I just spent 30 minutes talking about Michael Jackson being like-- - Okay, well 'cause this is free of any wrongdoing so. - This is complete hearsay, but like I think that, okay, this is complete hearsay. I'm just saying what I wrote, what I read. It's said that she's, she is, and rightfully so, kind of like a diva, and she smells. She's a smelly diva. - I could see her doing like a non-diodorant type of approach. - She's very British, and she's very theatrical. And she's also played like a witch and a sorceress for so many years like this evil. I really wanted to see that, could you imagine? - Yeah. - And so I think that this, she probably got there and was like, wait, nevermind, I don't need to play like a villain and the villain is just like this white rich lady. You know, like, she's like, I have to cast a spell. I didn't come, I didn't come here smelling like, smelling like how I smelled to be just a lady at a resort. - I really don't know, but I could see it, I could definitely see it not being matched. - I know, that upsets me. - I know, but like Laura Dern is like pretty damn great. - You know, I love Laura Dern. I really also think Joan Cusack could be in white load as very easily, and I say once again, with my chest cast Joan Cusack more. - I agree. Did I miss the day they announced Max Greenfield, isn't it? - Yeah, he was in one of those batches. - I must have missed that, to have him and Chris Messina, so like Mindy Project and New Girl collab is so awesome. - I think that this could be a funny bit where they, someone announced, they just do week after week announcing like a group of 11 people that are on white Lotus until it's like 450 people on white Lotus. - That's fun. - They just never actually have the show. I think that would be just really awesome you guys. - I love that. - I watch all of Beef. - I haven't even seen Season one of that. - I mean, if you get really bored, it's getting really good right now. - I need to watch it. - But I wanna talk to someone about it. I'm gonna get in trouble at some point. - I'll ask for next week. - I can't talk about, Acting skills in shows anymore, like because I always have something to say, and it's gonna come back and bite me in the ass, but I have been shocked by some stuff recently. - Okay. - Negative connotation. - Are you able to tell us in the bonus? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll talk about it. - On that note, I have to go. - Go pee, yeah. Okay, that's all I got. I mean, I have a lot more stuff for the bonus. - Okay, so we will catch up in the bonus. - And then I have to get the hell out of here, 'cause they're gonna come into my apartment with potential tenants, and I'm gonna be like, "Hey, come on the podcast." Okay, bye, Brooke. - Okay, love you, bye, I see you in the bonus. - See you guys, thank you for listening, see ya, bye. (upbeat music)