What Are The Rarest Weapons In The World? | Unsubscribe Podcast Ep 241

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They're like, ooh, I want to find something new and different. Just like kids. Why isn't it possible, you stupid bastard? Can we dumb it down for just a minute? No. You guys have fun with your f***ing autism. Fun is too tight. That sounds good, but it's not. Yeah. I can go doot, doot, doot instead of doot. It's the auto-amburglar. Yeah, you use it in your car and on burglars. Oh, I just, yeah. Literally. Say hi. Say hi to Eli. He's racially ambiguously random. His hair is f***ing fabulous. A donut, a dog joke disposition, and there's a fat electrician. Welcome to Unsubscribe. Hey, what is up, everyone? I'm going to keep this short and sweet. It is Black Friday through Cyber Monday weekend. That means we are selling everything. It's like 20% on bunker on everything. Even the side zips. We are. We are also having amazing deals on Pepperbox. Buy one month, get two for free. And the code for that is Black Friday. And that is for new individuals. 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Kawaii Eli, this early in the episode? Yeah, as the Echelon explodes in my face. Like, ah. Oh, Cody. Hi, everyone. Welcome to the Unsubscribe Podcast. I was joined today by, I am joined today by Eli Doubletap. Ian from Forgotten. Forgotten Weapons. Brandon Herrera, my self-taught operator. Thank you so much for being here. What's up, everyone? How y'all doing? Dude, we got Ian on finally after almost four years and a thousand messages. For obvious reasons, I am very excited for this episode. I'm looking forward to it. So, who are you? We've never heard of you. We haven't seen this a million times. Dude, welcome. Thank you. How you doing, man? I'm doing well. It's fun to be out here. We're excited. This is going to be the most autistic episode. We have ever had. So. Don't kid yourself. He's here for the AK-50, not us, buddy. Like I said, until we have a trained conductor on the podcast, this is probably going to be the one. That's next week. I hope so, because I'm so far out of most of the world that you guys live in that it's going to be gun nerdery or, I don't know, I'm just going to sit here and have nothing to say. We're here for it, man. I think we just wanted to put our two big gun nerds together and have a fun conversation. About gun things. Yeah, I'm up for that. I'm always up for that. History guns. I mean, this is going to be a fun one. This is everyone just get out the popcorn and listen to everyone nerd out, because there is a million questions. I know Brandon probably already has a fuck ton. I had to stop some conversations before the podcast kicked off because we were already getting into stuff. I'm like, this is such good podcast material. Yes. If you talk about it before the cameras roll, you lose it. I've learned that. I'm glad we didn't do lunch today. Because this is one of the ones that's like, this is going to be a hard one. We've already nerded out before you guys got here nerding out on firearms. I was like, oh, shit. Have you ever had it where you're recording a video and you do this whole long spiel and then the footage is either no audio or something fucks up? Oh, yeah. And you got to redo it and you're like, fuck, I've already said it once, so I have no idea what I've covered in the second take. No, the problem is for me is once I've done it, a lot of it leaves my head. And it's like, oh. Oh, I have to go back to the beginning and go back through all of my notes and reference material because, oh. Oh, God. So. And you do deep dives. So I'm much more likely to just use it with terrible audio or if there's any way it can be salvaged, I'll use it. Give a quick synopsis for the people that don't know who you are. Okay. So I run a website and YouTube channel called ForgottenWeapons.com, which is essentially mini documentaries on interesting things. Interesting and unusual firearms. The ultimate goal is basically to have video content on every military firearm ever made, which is an impossible goal. Yeah. But it's the, that's the guiding point. God damn, are you close at this point? You know, the thing is, I'm never going to run out. Yeah. They're fractal. Like, you know, oh, you should do a video on the AK. Well, okay. There's nine different countries that made them. Okay. And then each country did. Well, we got the milled ones. Then we got the stamped ones. Then we got. We got the five, four, five ones. And then we got the five, five, six ones. And then inside each one of those branches is just another fractal set. But I mean, you are the guy. That's crazy. I didn't even think about that. If I'm looking up a specific weapon history about it, knowledge or anything, your videos are the first one to pop up. Hey, Cody, would you remind, would you mind removing that dagger from my ribs? Well, it's like if I'm going for a historic, like the G20. What's the, what's the, the, the, oh, uh, with the PSG one or the G11, the G11 is a good example where it's like those, oh, I just want to see the internals really quick. Cause you have that completely different side of content, which you both are crushing and you get to see the difference on how you present it. I feel like you're the only one who's really gotten hands on the G11 in like a meaningful way. Uh, Jonathan Ferguson has. Oh, that's true. Well, yeah. Well, he's cheating though. He's got a massive collection to choose from. Which one was the G11? The great crowd space magic magic. Okay. Brick looking one. Gotcha. Call of duty black ops one, I believe the one that it is wild to think you are going to hand this off to a soldier and be like, Hey, your weapon's dirty. Can you fix that malfunction? And then like open it up. It's 4.6 millimeter caseless, three round hyper burst at like 1800 internals. Yeah. Yeah. We talked about it. Someone was on here before and we talked about, I think that it's the one you called, you just said the grandfather clock. Yeah. Space magic. Yeah. Like, yeah. So here's the thing. I like, I have a video taking it apart, how it works, the history, what it was intended to do. Didn't get to shoot it for like obvious reasons. It's in a collection. It's there's no ammunition. You ever tried to find ammunition for G11? I can honestly tell you, I have not. Well, did like, fuck, does it shoot 4.6 millimeter caseless? Oh, yeah. It's mildly proprietary. You can't go to Bass Pro. I can't get caseless ammo at Bass Pro. I have 11. I have 11 rounds. How much do you think each one of those rounds is worth? Well, I don't know. No one's actually shooting it. You can name the price. But so gyro jet, look how much, if you have OG gyro jet. It's true. Those rounds are like 200 bucks a piece. And by the way, if you have original gyro jet ammo, shoot it now because that stuff is deteriorating. And in 20 years, none of it's going to work today. A lot of it doesn't work. And in 20 years, none of it will work. So if you want to shoot a gyro jet, do it now. So at least one out of two, maybe one out of three rounds that we fired for the video. Cause I don't, I don't know how many rounds we fired that day. It was maybe like 10, 15, one out of two, at least one out of three, uh, had some sort of malfunction where like maybe only half the jets actually went off and you could see it in the super slow-mo, like unusable high-speed footage where it's completely destabilized. That actually would be some of the most interesting high-speed footage. Some, if you go back and really cool, if you look in the video, you can see some of it where like not all of the rockets are firing and it's just really weird. It's trying its best. Yeah. So at the G11, like I would love to shoot a G11, but it would be, it would be really uninteresting video because nothing happens. Nothing ejects. Oh yeah. It's one hefty recoil impulse and three holes down range. And that's it. That's where you would need ballistic high-speed just so people could see rounds leaving the barrel. That's right. All you'd see, I think you'd see the magazine moving back and the bullets coming out and that's it. So it's like. There's no action. All the actions in turn. Everything's internal. It's caseless. So there's no brass coming out. There's no ejection port. There's nothing. It's boring. ass video you're right you slow that down and it's just but it's still some of the only firing footage of that that exists outside of 360p yeah that's what's crazy so i still want to do it but my like in my head i just i like i console myself with what like you said get knolls and ballistic high speed up there at least to get it coming out of the barrel and then explain how fucking boring the gun is that's kind of cool i don't really watch a lot of gun tube anymore it's kind of one of those weird things it's like i it's it feels like work so like i don't watch other gun tubers i would watch the shit out of that if someone else films it i'll i'll watch it too absolutely yeah like this is what i want to see so the owner of ox ranch uh believe i think i can say this i don't think that's like some sort of nuclear secret he's got one of the early uh i think it's the steyr acr oh yeah i filmed that gun really probably the one he's got no shit he's got a couple of rounds like the crayon looking ammunition and shit yeah he's got a couple like the crayon looking ammunition and shit yeah he's got a couple like the crayon looking like six seven rounds i don't know how much he's got but like that's that was where the fuck do you find that that was one that i wanted to shoot like that was one where there was actually some minuscule chance of shooting it it didn't work out but it's also uh they're all flechettes really yeah that's what i believe so yeah i just yeah that's the one that's their steyr acr that's what came up what the little flechette wait what the fuck's that thing for i have never heard of this weapon so so the idea of the flechettes the you know the whole acr program was how do we hit probability because like soldiers fire and then they miss how do you fix that and one idea is you fire a bunch of rounds real fast before the recoil impulse hits fen pull up the steyr acr wow okay one of them is what if we shoot this weapon what if we have like 4500 feet per second muzzle velocity 12 grain flechettes so your mean point blank range is like 600 yards you don't adjust for anything hold center of mass pull trigger yeah it's just cooking but then so you're less likely to miss because it's just a laser beam but then what's the damage on that probably just like not great yeah and and it's not going to go through fucking brick or trees or leaves like it'll fucking go all over the place one of the early flechette you know they were experimenting with flechette rounds back into the 50s and one of the early ones they ended up canning because it was causing like serious health issues because when the the plastic sabo was separated from the from the flechette it basically vaporized and the guys were inhaling this plastic particulate vapor from every sabo they fired at you know 1200 rpm yeah it's going straight to their balls yep microplastics dude that's where it started right there full rounds so the other fun just to round it out the other fun option in this i this set of like how do we increase hit probability is put multiple bullets in one case so duplex and triplex ammo where you stack two or three bullets in a single cartridge case and they made this stuff for 308 430 out six um mostly those two because that's what the army was using at the time and then the idea is you have one point of aim and the bullets spread out a bit and you get the same effect as with three rounds out of a g11 or two rounds out of an an-94 but it's one cartridge and it fire you don't have to have hyper burst because you're firing three bullets with one case what how was the downfall on that though because it doesn't sound i understand in theory you're like oh we'll just put it all behind this single bullet they're just in a line but it seems like it would so like 30 out six triplex you got three bullets but in order for the gun to not catastrophically fail the three bullets have to weigh the same as your normal one bullet so you're firing 350 grain bullets it's essentially you know three light 32 autos yeah um there were issues of accuracy and then there were issues of accuracy and then there were issues of uh you don't want the bullets to like actually stack on top of each other but you don't also don't want them to go super far away like a lit like a slight because again think about it at a hundred yards this turns into this really quickly so like okay so i have i've actually done some shooting with duplex 308 and it was like at 100 yards we got about a 12 inch spread between the the bullets which i think is really good yeah that's that distance of if you have a perfect shot you might get two hits but you'll definitely get one yeah and if you if you normally would have just missed one of those two bullets will probably hit a lot of the downfall of this stuff was um old school people in administration who were brought up on marksmanship and how do you have marksmanship when there's two bullets it'll never hit where you want it to hit therefore not possible i'm just i'm trying to figure out like the what makes that better than a shotgun with a good choke uh you have a lot higher muzzle velocity and a lot better ballistics on an actual spitzer bullet yeah you're still getting 3,000 2,700 feet per second the only problem is when you go to 400 yards you've got like the pulp fiction where there's like six hits around the guy quite possibly yeah yeah exactly yeah you're hitting the person and then the dude eight persons away at that spread depending on how far it's going also not recommended for hostage rescue exactly you get both at the same time you're like go spitzness mission this is a rush no hostage no hostage situation dude just pump fentanyl gas in there that's fine yep everything will be fine dude 10 10 terrorists 90 hostages 100 body bag mission accomplished yeah mission accomplished yes like no dude that that that kind of tech is wild or just developing it because how far it came like in my head that sounds like oh that's not going to work or here is the the downside to it but we're just we tested that in the 60s 50s 50s through 90s essentially it was a whole series of programs so the the final culmination of it that we see were the four guns the colt acr the steyr acr the g11 and the um uh aai advanced was it aeronautics advanced advanced armaments inc had a flush firing goofy rifle uh but that was in the 90s the germans came close to adopting the g11 and just barely escaped with their lives from it uh but it goes all the way back to the 50s and there's some bizarre freaking rifles that were in those programs i was just talking about this because i just did a video on the the lewis gun and i find it so intriguing because you've got um pretty much like ballistics and and well actually well i don't know what you say kinetics just muzzle loaders rifles in general stayed pretty much the same from like the 1500s to the mid-1800s there really wasn't a lot of variety and then as soon as you had the centerfire cartridge very soon after you started having like machine guns and all sorts of things and it was just like your tech tree exploded you get there's like 8 000 different ways to do it so you get two major inflection points like that the first one is smokeless powder because smokeless powder allows you to have self-loading firearms as long as you've got black powder there's so much fouling that there were people who tried who experimented with self-loading um actually sorry i should say the second one is smokeless powder um the first one is self-contained metallic cartridges yeah and that that doesn't start with primers but it very quickly becomes the centerfire modern center fire case for sure and that allows you to have a a batch of cartridges at the ready to use in some way to make it a really cool shooting weapon because we're looking at and it's neat to see that right before that really took off the the things that people did before that like the first ever thing that came out of what became smith and wesson was the volcanic and right now we're working on uh you know the volcanic pistol you'd probably know it from like red dead the like lever action pistol complete dog shit um they like have no muzzle energy whatsoever but it was like a self-contained projectile and we're working on a reverse engineering the ammo right now and it's super just awesome. just a bizarre concept and you very quickly realize like oh this is why these never took off yeah so you you take a bullet a lead bullet with a hollow base and you make the base the inside hollow section bigger and put the powder in that and put a primer in that and then like a little sealant cup of something i don't remember what they used on the back end but then wax or paper or something like that yeah okay you want to borrow my ghost bed pillow does it smell like you yes do you feel that cooling technology it's definitely not a hot pillow i gotta get out of here give me my pillow i'm the one that has to sleep here you guys have your own houses in your own pillows quit touching it all right real question can the gang do a pillow fight not with these a slow motion pillow fight no they're heavy it'll hurt are they really yes they're premium dude that would actually actually i don't think i'd want to get smacked with that i'm swinging it hard okay your son you come and just tee off on your kid if i smack you with this you're gonna be a ghost and get this they're built to last with a 20-year warranty and they have a three-month free trial period what do they do with all the used mattresses that get returned not black lights they have a complete sleep setup for spooky sex boo ghost bed has it all adjustable bases sheets pillows and full bundles to upgrade your whole bed with over 20 years of sleep expertise which is really amateur hour i've been sleeping for at least 30 years family owned and handcrafted in the usa in canada - Ew, Canada. - Entrusted by thousands of happy sleepers. Like Cody. Brandon. - And Nick. - Yep. - They have over 60,000 five-star reviews and you get an extra 10% off when you use code unsubscribe at checkout. - Head over to ghostbed.com/unsubscribe to get started. - That's ghostbed.com/unsubscribe. - Use the code unsubscribe to sleep better and stay cooler. But then you have all the elements of your cartridge right here. And the bullet is the case because the, you know, you've got the tip of the bullet with most of the mass, and then you've got the hollow cylinder that holds the powder. The problem was in order to make it, give it enough muzzle velocity to do anything of impact, you had to make the bullet really long, but then you had these really thin lead walls and the front of the bullet would break off from the back of the bullet. And you'd leave, you'd have like a cylinder of bullet case at the back and the projectile, the front of the projectile would go down range. And then the guns not, yeah, can't be fired again. - Otherwise you have these really light projectiles that don't really do anything. Like there's, I don't know if this is hyperbolized, but there's accounts of people trying to with this and failing. - I've read that story. I don't know if I believe it or not, but it's not completely out of the realm. - Like Mythbusters says plausible kind of thing. - Yeah, exactly. - I don't know if it's true, but I wouldn't doubt it. - Skill issue. - And they had, so they had a couple of different versions and like the handgun one was what, 31 caliber, I think. - Yeah. - So, you know, it's even a small diameter to begin with. The rifle one was bigger. I think they had a. - It's like 41. - Something like that, yeah. - I don't recall off the top of my head, but we have the smaller one. - Yeah. - And it's cartoonishly small. - Yeah. - You look at that and you're like, I don't know how the fuck you ever made this work. - But it's cool. - It's really neat. - So beyond the Volganic, there was a whole series. - Yeah. - Of pistols that were manually operated with ring trigger levers that mostly came out of Austria. And they are neat guns too. Like there's some with little five round clips. There's a batch of them that were made using cartridges before people really kind of came up with the idea of an extraction groove. So the base end of the cartridge is just solid. And there is no, the extractor doesn't grip on a groove in the cartridge. - What does it, what does it do then? - I don't remember. I knew you were going to ask that. - In a second you say, you're like fuck. - Oh, I don't remember how they did that. - I don't have the answer to the question I just made. - It's neat. I was just like, huh. That's a neat way of doing it. What did they do instead? Fuck. - Science, that's magic. - He doesn't know podcast is over dude. - Yeah. - You're the professional, soiled it. What the fuck dog? What the fuck? - They're all super janky. - It's super neat too. Cause like a lot of the, like early cartridge stuff, you've got like the pin fire stuff. - Yeah. - Which I mean, that was the needle rifles and stuff like that. It's just super. - The needler. - So strange. - What makes those situations. - Yes, the halo needler. - That's what you're talking about, right? - Oh, totally. Totally. - That was an old tech. - Explodes inside the little one. - Yeah, homing missiles to kill somebody. - What makes those periods so cool is someone will invent new technology and patent it. And a lot of people think, a lot of people don't really understand how patents work. Patents are temporary. Patents are temporary protection. The idea is if you innovate and create a new product, you're rewarded with a monopoly on that product for a limited period of time. So that Bob, the inventor in his garage, doesn't invent something super cool. And then Megacorp just copies it and he gets nothing. Bob gets his limited time monopoly, which people can argue pros and cons on that system, but. - Edison had some words about it. - Right. Oh yeah. - Contracts and lawyers, my friend. - It is not a controversy, but that's the concept. And what happens as a result is when the new technology comes out, like smokeless powder, all of a sudden it's now feasible to make self-loading systems, semi-auto, full-auto guns. And the first person who figures out the obvious way to make it work, patents it. So then the next guy is like, well, this is a huge open market. I want to make a machine gun, but I have to do a different thing than that guy did. So, well, okay, here's the second best, most obvious, efficient way to do it. And he does that. And he does that. And he patents it. And about five years in, there's still people out there who want to make their fortune in this, but now like the 85 best ways to do it are patented. And then you start getting these really bizarre work around systems just, and at like 17 years after the tech comes out, all the bizarre stuff goes away because now the good way, the patent's expired. And now everyone can do that. Like, that's why we have Browning pistols still today. And we don't have Bergman's and Nambu, Nambus and all the other really janky early semi-auto pistols. - It is cool as they are. - Oh, they're super cool. But would you want to carry any of them? - The Mandalorian does. - That was, I have questions about that. Like there's only one place that prop master found that gun. - You think? - There's only one gun. Where else do you find it online before the Mandalorian comes out? - So it's like the Bergman, what is it? - Yeah, I posted it. - It's like the M, what is it? - 1895? - It was, no, it was 1892 or 93. - Okay. - Cause it was the, what they copied for the Mandalorian was the very first prototype Bergman. Not even the first standard model, but the prototype. ♪ Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly ♪ - Check engine, ABS, or maintenance light on? Take the guesswork out of your warning lights with O'Reilly Veriscan. The service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ASC certified, master technicians. And if you need help, we could recommend a shop for you. Ask for O'Reilly Veriscan today. ♪ Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly ♪ ♪ Auto Parts ♪ - Yo, so I got, when that came out, I got a lot of messages from people who were like, oh my God, they, it was either like, oh my God, they found one or oh my God, they ruined one by turning it into a blank or something for the movie. - Oh shit. - And the answer is no, they totally didn't. They like, it's a resin. It's a resin model. - The Bergman 1896? - Yeah, it's not. - Is that what you're talking about? - Yeah, but that's not, like. - It's not exact. - It's an earlier pattern. - Yeah. - I didn't know, 'cause yeah, there's, there's clearly like a couple of differences there, but like, like on the, I don't know what you call that, but. - So that's the loading gate. - Yeah. - That's actually a thumb lever that you pulled down to put the clip in. - Okay. - But the very, so. - It's magazine. - If you look here, it's got a. - Not yet, it wasn't. - It's got a cleaning rod on the side. - That's only found on the original prototype example. - Oh, so they actually had an OG, OG, so whoever actually pulled it up. - No, they made it out. They created that thing out of resin or something. Yeah. - But they seen that. They had to deep dive to find that exact. - And I, as far as I can tell, there's only one place where they could have found it. - And that's. - But I never heard from anybody. - No shit. - But if the, if the armor for the Mandalorian is watching this and would like to spill any details, I'd love to hear them. - Yeah, please comment. - 'Cause that was, it's such a cool Star Wars, Star Wars throwback. - Yeah. - Because the original Star Wars was all done with World War II guns with stuff glommed onto them because that's what was available and easy to use. - Lewis guns, MG 34s, fucking STG 44s, all that shit. It's, I can't, okay, so. - Side cool stories. - Well, just really quick. I never realized patents, the way you just described that is how, when you teach AI, the exact pattern, it's the shit that gets, it's super far, but whatever is the most efficient way gets to the front of it. What you're saying with that, the 17 years of bad tech don't make it to the front. It's, hey, this is the best, easiest method that is proven. Oh, something else comes along that's better than that steps. That's AI training to a T. - Well, I mean, you could also just say, it's just I. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, it is I. - That's how we did it before they did it. - I just never thought of it like that. I was like, oh shit, this is actually in that exact, that exact line is how it's done. I just never had a picture. - That was the tech bro equivalent of looking at the scar in Fortnite and going, oh, they made the Fortnite guy. - I know, I was like, huh, wait, holy shit. I never looked at actually patents like that, where it's like, hey, most efficient things going to get proven. I was like, holy shit, yeah, actually, that is actually how that works, huh? - No, that's just, that's just clanker cultural appropriation, just what that is. - Takes a lot longer. It's not like, I ran it for one hour. It takes 30, 40 fucking years. But anyway, sorry, cool story. - I came this close to making a fully functional Hoth Trooper, what was it? A34 blaster, I think. - The like SDG 44 clone. - Yeah. So I was, last year, Finnish Brutality was held in the winter. So, okay, so I'm going-- - Great time to go to Finland. - Yeah, so I'm going to a winter match and this was when, yep, yeah, exactly. This was when, DK was just starting to send out their Sturmgewehrs, their US semi-auto Sturmgewehrs. And I arranged to get one. My gunsmith was super stoked to make, 'cause it's only like three parts. Like you need a new buttstock and we need, we got a new rear sight leaf to modify, to put a red dot with a 3D printed cage around, you know, body around it. And a new buttstock and a new hand guard. And like, that's it. it. And I have an eight 34 blaster. I hope it's a 34. I'm trying to a two 95 yeah a 295 blaster okay at any rate uh the problem still yeah that's not that's not complicated no no because they took actual sturmgewehrs when they did the movie and just bolted some crap onto them i love how it's like this is now futuristic so i was gonna i was gonna shoot the match with that rifle and uh a hoth trooper costume that was gonna be a fantastic that's fucking great and then i had to send the gun back like three times to get it working and ran out of time i have a theory about that do tell everybody's got everybody's had fucking problems with getting their reproduction stg44s to run properly like everyone who's ever fucking tried yeah i question if the original stg44s ran properly um so there was a massive uh qc fuck like scrap rate yeah on the production of sturmgewehrs like massive like 30 percent of the receivers oh my fucking god yeah but they're just stamping them out so fast that whatever throw them back into the smelter and they had some stuff going on at the time yeah they yeah there were other issues um that's what happened the original mass produce a whole bunch of weapons of different just different weapons at the same time during a war with different ammo and you're like go fight shit so i think the other problem is that nobody has been able to put the time and the production numbers into a semi-auto repro to work out the fine details and when the germans are doing this during the war they are stamping them out by the thousands yeah and so you have the scale to be like oh we need to change that tolerance needs to come in a thou and and they work out the problems with the semi-auto guns there's no they're so they're always expensive enough that there's never enough scale like you have to make a thousand of the in a production line before you're going to get close to having it actually reliable not only that but i this is getting like real in the fucking weeds really early but the i think that there's a difference in the actual cartridge like eight millimeter curves is uh i think the modern ppu stuff is like a different spec i heard people saying that you needed to do something to your feet ramp to be able to fire modern ammo i've seen that i'm pretty dubious about it really yeah for one thing it assumes a very high level of of quality control on the part of the original german ammo if you ever want to have a fun time grab some headspace dies and go find a stack of original sturmgewehrs and check their headspace because like 30 thou excess headspace is not particularly uncommon on the sturmgewehr what does that mean it's not great but it works this is anyone out there that doesn't know it's the stg 44 sturmgewehr this is the stg 44 sturmgewehr assault rifle it's one of the first of its kind that mp4 so the mp43 the mp44 and the sturmgewehr 44 are all the same gun okay but this is that brand new tech future tech it's largely regarded as like the father of the modern assault rifle yeah yeah it's not technically the first but it is the first to be put into mass production used in the field with the tactics of an assault rifle speaking of uh schmeisser guns that were like their firsts i just got after five years of hunting and this is like fucking a week ago i'm super stoked i just got my hands on an mp18 oh nice i don't have original snail drum i don't have the original drum with it yet but so the that's fine you're probably gonna have cody you're probably gonna have better luck with repro drums anyway yeah the so for just shoot it with eight round sticks yeah exactly that's not a fucking problem but cody is the battle it's the battlefield one gun yeah they actually went back and made it they actually went back and made that gun after the movie came out exactly came out it's just like fortnight eli yeah okay that makes way more sense that's that's really good i mean i've never used our cell phones so much in the podcast like what are they talking about the one seven three four five six i had a chance to shoot a villar perosa that is not i i having shot that it is not the first submachine gun because it is unusable as a submachine gun it is a little tiny ought to be ipod mounted thing yeah yeah that bad oh yeah oh yeah what's it called villar v-i-l-l-a-r dash p-e-r-o-s-a it is like 1100 rounds a minute nine millimeter glissanti two barrels with spade grips and thumb triggers what the fuck it's technically operable it's kind of like the the show shot or the show shot i don't know i show shot yeah yeah i i've i've had the opportunity to pick up a couple and i just i always eyeball it like man i don't know guys did you know it's smooth sack summer damn right it is i need to quit feel how soft they are was this a scratch and sniff wow those are soft don't act like you've never done a sack check with the boys join the over 12 million men worldwide who trust manscaped the lawnmower 5.0 ultra features a constant rpm motor and with a 60 minute runtime on a single 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pubes god damn it smooth sack summer i have a series going it would make a fantastic exclusive pepper box video where we have a seventy five round course of fire with the show shop that i bring on guests to shoot because nobody's ever actually got trigger time on a show shop it is i think you're gonna say nobody's gotten through seventy five rounds with the show shot and not had a malfunction we have had one malfunction in the history of the series you're kidding my show shot runs the the problem with show shots is twofold one is that the mags are made in a century old yeah they're they ought to be expendable but they're not because they haven't made them in a hundred years but they're terrible quality mags they're all a century old now that's one problem tossing a mac and it bends oh if you hold it if you hold the gun by the magazine you will cause a malfunction because you will squeeze the magazine and you will cause it to not feed do you know what we're talking about with the show shot no it's the one where it's it's like a it's like a half moon like the world war one french uh light machine gun where it's the entire bottom of the gun is like a cup that is the magazine it's an 18 round single stack 180 degree magazine 18 rounds yeah yeah that's why to be fair this is also world war one we're still figuring it out like yeah again that's why i'm like it's world war one and by the way it's it's not just the french automatic rifle light machine gun it's also the american one i forgot about that the bar showed up like six weeks before the end of the war u.s troops who deployed to france had show shots yeah yeah that's the one god and i love that that's just 18 rounds that thing way oh god now imagine it's not that heavy really i mean it's awkward if you're walking 30 miles with it then it gets really clunky but yeah that's what i'm thinking it's less than a brand it's less than a 240 okay yeah i always look at weapons down like how much would that suck to carry dude you get that mindset so fast overseas it is here is i want my gun to look cool and then it starts to go to okay i don't need this i don't need this this fucking sucks because it there this that's it stripped down it's minimized now i can walk a long ways what's awesome about the show shy is nobody's ever shot them even people with tremendous amounts of firearms experience never shot a few sometimes people have but like if someone in your position had shot a show shot it would be oh yeah i was at a shoot once and a guy had one and i put a magazine through it from a bench that's it no one's ever actually tried to effectively use one so we get to have this series where we take people who are reasonably familiar with it and we take people who are reasonably familiar with firearms and like here you go we're counting your hits it's we got some semi we got some full auto we got a mag dump we got some walking fire like a whole variety of different types of shooting oh i volunteer as tribute excellent we'll set that up that'll be a lot of fun because i've never shot one and i've right they come up for reasonable prices like 10 grand ish for something like something like that it's not crazy so the other problem with them is that a lot of the ones in the u.s were dewatered or demilled and then repaired and then they were repaired um there are a fair number of them that came back as like um american legion post souvenirs that went up on the wall and they were either welded shut or various forms of d-mil and so they've all had to be repaired and when you get rando gunsmith trying to cut an eight millimeter labelle chamber or make a new barrel or usually like i don't know where we get a new barrel for this thing so let's just see if we can grind out the weld that's in it you that's a recipe for gun very well. I have had this theory for a while now. and it drives me fucking crazy because the more i see the more i know it to be true most of what people bitch about with machine guns now is entirely due to the american nfa world where boomers in the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s are trying to fix machine guns they don't have prints for and they're just like fuck it this will work kinda and as long as it fires three rounds in a row they're like functional machine gun and they'll take it to shoots and they'll sell them and we we have to we bring in so many machine guns that i i buy is like perfectly functional we realize the welds are completely fucked headspace is completely gone like they're dangerous to shoot like you sold me a grenade and went that's fine like our our dishka it was so fucked oh i can't even imagine by something like that that's like there's really no way for a good dishka to come into the u.s and get on the registry it's guaranteed to be messed up somehow but the guy who rewelded it it was the worst reweld we've seen it well like they're just open pockets when we cut back into it i've seen some pretty bad rewelds you've seen some of the pretty bad jobs that i've seen well that's fair actually that one was pretty bad that was pretty fucking expand holy crap uh at one at one point he did a video on um we call it like the most cursed crank like it was just it was fucked up it it was not recognized as being a bad gun it that was the first we took it to the range as part of a shoot um a guy i was with and he brought it out because he hadn't shot it before and it's his new post-sample crank and one round fired and the entire gas block assembly goes down range yeah and it only got worse from there once we started like i didn't really look at the thing closely because i've done some video on cranks like it's they're super cool but i have i have i'm focused like i'm working i have these three guns that i want to film and it's a quasi public shoot so it's going to be tricky to work with anyway and yeah so he's going to bring that thing like okay that's cool dude whatever you know have fun and oh there was a lot of grinder involved in building that gun it was not safe it didn't nothing what was the first clue perhaps pieces of the gun going down range that and like the amount of grinding on the the locking lugs like for our dish go was the locking flaps were ground down which is always a great that's the thing that stops the gun from exploding so that's really yeah those are important but yeah no we we ended up uh because we saw your video i'm like we'll just rebuild it for the guy like we'll we'll actually make it you know come back to life because he's a really cool guy like yes yes i don't want to cast dispersions on the guy because he didn't i don't think he looked at it closely either no which is by the way this is a good lesson for everybody if you buy a new gun look at it like examine it before you shoot it this applies to milsurp stuff too it's not very common in the u.s but in europe it's not uncommon for people to forcibly deactivate guns effectively destroy them so that they don't have to be registered and this can mean like drill a hole in the chamber and then sometimes it's we drilled a hole in the chamber but we don't want it to look like it's got an ugly hole in it so we filled in the stock we put a new stock on it and didn't bother to put a bar in the chamber or anything and then it gets sold and sold and then third guy gets sold to doesn't know it's deactivated and goes and fires around through it and it just blows through the bottom of the stock and hurts someone you figure it out like quick yeah but look at guns before you take them out and shoot them especially like the older something yes like it's not not bad to i don't know it's it's kind of a weird thing to say like oh you should own a headspace engages for every caliber you have but really like headspace engages are a really really nice entry level tool yeah i think on the older ones especially if you're taking them out because those i always look at as the ticking time bombs new shit i'm like a lot of tech went into even building this for the most part should be pretty good old shit is the way i'm gonna have somebody look at it before i touch it i'm like when i was building aks way back in the day my cop out for not having headspacing dies was that i only worked with uh matching parts kits i mean then i don't have to worry about it and at the time that wasn't a big deal i mean that's better that's objectively like okay it went together properly the first time this way because if you have like virgin parts kits or you have non-matching kits then you really have to like you have to be careful with headspace yeah you have to but matching parts kits are the way to go you have to be careful when you're matching stuff you're like well it was good enough for bulgaria in 1968. then then you go to like kujir and look at it and you're like or can we dumb it down for just a minute no you had to explain to me god damn it i'll see myself out you guys have fun with your autism the one thing you had to explain to me when i first met you is what a parts kit was yeah so like specifically for this is true for pretty much all firearms but for ak's in general in in this case uh you'll have to be careful with the headspace because you'll have to be careful with the headspace because you'll have to be careful with the headspace because you'll have to be careful with importers that want to bring in kits to the united states um you can't bring in whole machine guns to the u.s up until recently the trump administration just reversed this but you couldn't even bring in machine gun barrels so like original barrels for anything that was a machine gun ak's whatever had to be cut up in multiple pieces receivers have to be cut up in like three pieces so a kid is getting pieces yeah it's i want i have this ak that i want to sell to the americans yeah but you can't import a machine gun well if you take it apart enough eventually you'll find the one part that the machine gun by itself that's the receiver yeah sometimes it's like chopped up in the vertical pieces torch cut yeah now they used to be saw cut which used to be way easier oh yeah the the rules on how it can be the idea is you destroy the legal machine gun part and then you just import everything else and it became known as a parts kit yeah and the rules for how it the destruction has to take place have changed over the course of decades yeah when i first met brandon a couple years ago i thought he was a fucking magician because he was like yeah here's a parts here's this piece this piece this piece this piece we can put it back together into a functional gun i was like holy shit that is the coolest thing ever i didn't i didn't know parts kits existed before i met him a couple years ago which for like an ar is not that big of a deal oh no that's not gunsmithing that's just exactly you've offended a lot of people i'm sorry if you built your own ar that you're not a gunsmith you might be a gunsmith but it's just wild it's just wild just like just gnarly fucking torch it into it and like you have to you have this thing you want horrible nightmare fuel i've seen videos of the process like here's a stack of pristine machine guns and here's the dude with the acetylene torch oh it's horrible the but it went once they get to the states like you have to d mill like the ak's riveted together so you have to drill out all the individual rivets um you have to cut around the slag on like the barrels and shit like that when that get get cut press out the pins on all the barrel components press them off like it's it's a pretty involved process just to get to a parts kit yeah and then from there you have to use a new receiver a new barrel everything and then rebuild it what he's talking about with uh like an og barrel headspace is headspace on the ak is determined by your bolt and how far back your barrel is pressed in the trunnion yeah i said it trunnion yeah but basically if you press it in too far it's too tight won't completely lock the trunnion is too tight trunnion's too tight that sounds good but it's not yeah it sounds like it should be a good thing um yeah prom night tight not good on ak if you don't press it in enough there's too much space and then um the round can essentially detonate out of the best way i've heard it described is headspace is when the when the gun's locked closed on a cartridge how much how far back can the bolt and the cartridge case push from the back of the barrel and there has to be a little bit if it's completely frictionally rubbing against each other it won't reliably close but if there's too much then uh the first thing that happens when you fire is the cartridge comes all the way back to the maximum extent of its headspace and if that's too much it'll blow through the brass at that point before gas has gotten to the gas port at all and then that's the gun exploding i just know m2 go click or bang click i know that's why that's the only time i ever fucked with headspacing when i am army i am in army do thing bullet boom this piece metal say go this piece metal say no go okay and that's the army dumbing it down as much as possible we're like okay unscrew c window three turn okay it go bang and that's why you've got like field gauges and stuff which is what they issue to troops basically like when this closes bring the gun to your armor yes three bad men because you've got like go gauge no bad headspace what we're talking about like headspace gauges you've got go go gauge which means it can close like that's that's a good thing you want it to be able to go no go means okay well it just closed on this we should not that shouldn't happen so it's out of headspace field gauges this might explode this is not usable what yeah yeah field gauges yeah is this may have some wear but it's if it doesn't exceed this it's usable yeah like if it closes on the field gauge you're like ah go and no go or what you use on a brand new gun to assemble it and then field is a recognition that over time the headspace will expand as as things stretch and as you fire thousands of rounds to the gun and if it you know if a an old worn gun fails and you're like oh my god this is not usable this is not usable if it fails one of the go no go gauges like but if it fails the field gauge don't use it yeah if it swallows a field gauge you're that's a grenade yeah i was gonna say i love the two sides of our audience is listening right now because one side is like let eli and cody try to dumb things and then the other side is like stop eli and cody from talking because they're explaining the gun stuff oh my god it's the perfect jeans right i can leave get on his shoulders up here big boy try the perfect jeans out as earmuffs brandon how perfect are they feels like the perfect jeans they're so flexible i'm fat 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because hickok was already there iraq vet was already there oh god yeah um um who else uh god 2010 is the second wave what's the guy's name um fps russia oh yeah fps russia was the big one when i started um but what i so i didn't start it to be a youtube channel i started forgotten weapons as a text blog largely because i was playing with a friend's collection and he had a bunch of cool documentary stuff like those old springfield armory photos when springfield armory which was the head of u.s. small arms testing and r&d whenever they got something they would take a whole batch of photographs of it and then they go into the u.s. national archives and their public domain and they're available for everybody and they would do like you know left right top disassembled exploded view of the gun and then if they did testing and something weird happened you might get like well here's a picture after the the barrel exploded and there's you know a hole in it um and but they did this for every bizarre weird gun that they tested some you know bob in his garage sends a gun to springfield in 1912 they do it we capture this kooky thing from the nazis in 45 springfield armory is doing testing and taking pictures and so it's this really cool resource of bizarre weird forgotten weapons yeah um and so i'm like roll credits yeah some of it like i'd love we ought to have more access to this it's hard to find these things sometimes and then what really did it was a a friend of a friend was a senior engineer at colt and died and he happened to have in his attic like manuals and drawings for the peterson device cool the peterson device for the mozen the enfield and the labelle okay so now i from that cool the peterson device um yes it converts a bolt action rifle into a semi-auto pistol caliber carbine it was like the original pcc conversion so one dude was like hey here's how we turn this from a bolt action john peterson who is one of the greatest gun designers of the early 1900s yeah i would say so dude was like i can make that gun cooler uh we made we made thousands upon thousands of them it was going to be our secret weapon in the 1919 spring offensive in world war one which didn't happen no one really expected the war to end at the end of 1918 and they all got scrapped check engine a bs or maintenance light on take the guesswork out of your warning lights with o'reilly vera scan the service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ase certified master technicians and if you need help we could recommend a shop for you ask for o'reilly vera scan today they were all like thrown off the side of a fucking yeah basically thrown into the ocean i think no shit so this was actually hey part of this war effort we're in trench warfare we need yeah we're going to now be the first wave of everyone's has semi-auto would would you like a 40 round semi-auto carbine or would you like a five round bolt action not six god that would have been mind-blowing at that period of time that would have been yeah and even if it happened that year before it would have been what turned the tide during that war even better logistically is you're not issuing new guns right you are issuing a an accessory that makes your gun more and you can swap it back and forth and you got farm boys back man you see this fucking thing so i can go dude instead of dude yeah holy so these things are scarce and very valuable today because a few hundred of them survived getting scrapped but originally the plan was to build these for all the other allied powers we're gonna make them for the british the french and the russians too and when this guy died his family was like weird old papers in the garbage and they're going to have to go to jail and that was the that was the moment that i'm like you know maybe i could start a website and archive some of this stuff so it doesn't go boop gone into the garbage yeah they didn't know what it was they didn't know grandpa sucks well i mean yeah think think about like weird old uncle brandon over here and they're just like yeah he just wrote a bunch of shit down thanks for the money yeah um that's sad that's a sad thought i know your brothers so as i said as i as i started expanding the website it got to the point of like how does this gun work i have to explain how this gun works doing that in writing is really hard like describing right tell me how an ak works but write it down instead of and with no pictures it's it's a much worse medium it's like having to read read patents which is awful and the fun part is you can you can describe something in words and then ask 10 fucking people to draw what they just wrote and you'll come up with 10 different answers yeah so i started doing videos like oh well it's a lot easier for me to say to show it than to try and write it and at the time i was just hosting forgotten weapons myself and i did not have the income to pay for the bandwidth to host video content because that was a thing that like at one point people actually did was host their own video on their own website a lot of people don't realize that like the idea of youtube especially when it came into existence 2005 six yeah five or six i think you that was ground this is fucking groundbreaking you had to pay for your right any internet space even for pepper box and that we pay for those servers to run that's an expensive fucking thing and that's literally why i started using youtube is it's like okay i have this video what do i do with it holy crap those idiots will let me host it for free it wasn't it wasn't like at the time i don't remember when they started monetization but it was years yeah years after i started using it the monetization was even a thing you just had that mindset it was like i'm gonna do this for free right what these idiots that'll never last you had to be like they're legit like partnered to get monetization like you had to be like one of the a hundred people that you know they had chosen as a partnered creator yeah like now the partner program is pretty much anybody it's like okay well if you you meet these criteria there's tens of thousands of partners probably dude it's wild that you were one of the few people i've talked to though you knew hey here's the cost of this and what drove people to youtube at that time was yeah it was sheer just cost of being able to upload a video which is wild yeah for free yeah that's wild at that time and so over time over the following years the video became more and more popular with people so for obvious reasons it's more interesting to watch it than to read it and so i started doing more of that and today i still run the website but it's basically just a copy paste of here's the video, here's the YouTube link, here's the description i still write a reasonable description text for almost every video because they originally were this is an article with a companion video on it yes now it's like back when description was like super essential for seo and everything like that yeah yeah because youtube has always been fantastic and transparent and easy to work with they never lie change things on the fly i never really got into the seo stuff and i still don't today i i gave up i just figured ultimately the whole purpose of seo is to get people access to the content that they're trying to find so if i make content that i know is what people want to watch i don't have to play seo games i can count on the seo getting better over time and successfully leading gun nerds to my stuff which appears to have worked the only thing i do with seo is try to make sure that somewhere in my description or title like if you are looking for what i am i have provided then you should be able to find it in search yes other i'm just making content for my audience you know i will do things like if there are multiple different common names for a gun i'll put one in the title but i'll make sure to put the other or others in the description text somewhere right and when i get when i get weird foreign guns with foreign names that have umlauts or accent marks i will always use just a plain english version for the title but i'll try and put whatever the original character codes are in the description that's smart because sometimes if you put like an a with an umlaut and someone searches regular a they won't find it and then nobody ever sees your video because i was going to say there ain't no motherfucker on the planet that's that's typing the original like imperial german version i'm like well your audience might be a little different a lot of people don't realize how much effort even goes into that side of it it's like okay here's the first word for it okay here's the second here's the third here's the fourth just so hopefully y'all see it yeah on top of filming the video i'm going to put a link in the description box below and i'll see you in the next video of hosting the video typing out the descriptions all those little things that you have to worry about yeah don't miss any of them we do it all the time but it's crazy to see like og youtube like that or og gun tube because like we we stood on the the shoulders of giants like ivy and and fps russia and everybody yeah it's it's weird because there weren't a lot of people in the space back in the day no there weren't and i didn't find anyone who was really digging into disassembly i'm like yeah i'm gonna do that and as over time like as i got deeper into it um i got more experience i got more connections with collections and companies and museums and today like my biggest resource is my reference library i have a lot of gun reference books yeah and you know not the barnes noble ones but that that weird one that they printed 150 copies in 1974 and it's 800 now those are so fun but just funny that's that's where the information is because have you ever heard of the barnes noble books you ever had to go to ian for any of your weapons rebuilds or anything we've worked together on some stuff um i don't think we might have asked some questions on certain things um usually the stuff we do is not to denigrate what we do usually pretty surface level like there's nothing super in depth that we would have to dig for and a lot of the stuff that i'm covering is kind of one of a kind it's not the sort of thing that someone buys as a shooter and then needs to have worked on yeah i was just asking because i've seen your place it's a fucking arms museum so i was just wondering if there's like some obscure thing you have to hit him up for his weapons manuals that he has from 1916 there's five of them and he has one of them there's certain things that are just so exotic that like for for example one of them is the uh the ptrs 41 i'm trying to still like to this day figure out how to safely shoot that fucking i'm terrified of those things i want to shoot one and a ptrd as well but yeah i want someone else to shoot it with the same batch of ammo first when i'm a safe distance away it's the fucking problem man they're so the ptrs 41 i'm seeing the look sorry 14 no i know this one i have already watched a video this is the one where i was like oh this is uh this is just the scaled up sks yeah that one's easy to describe it's funny because the sks is really the scaled down ptrs exactly the uh it's right cody yeah you were thinking the bc12 it was it's just the scaled up and down it was the 69 420 that you were thinking of dumb bitch so anyway i'm gonna mute their microphones this is it was a 14.5 millimeter anti-tank rifle that was developed during world war ii by simonov that big fucker sitting in your slats oh yeah they're eight feet long yeah big fucker uh not the sleds that's the lottie oh okay uh this was the this was the russian one that came out in world war ii by simonov i read in kalashnikov's book that he said that it was the leapless knights uh something like that the ptrs was a little longer the ptrd was about a one month project oh fuck me we can talk about the ptrd in a moment because that one's even way more terrifying i'm scared of that the ptrd is basically the the single shot or the bolt action but it opens by itself it's great it's a bolt action single shot so open bolt put round in close bolt but the bolt the the whole action is on a basically a spring-loaded chassis so it when you fire it absorbs fire it absorbs fire it absorbs fire it absorbs fire it absorbs fire some of the recoil by moving back towards you and the cheek rest has a cam plate on it so when the whole thing moves back the bolt handle hits this cam plate that pops open the residual pressure opens the bolt and ejects the round while it's still coming towards your face super cool and it's a 14.5 which is it's like 900 grain bullet at 3300 feet per second dynamite it is an incredible anti-tank cartridge of world war ii they still use them in ukraine yeah like it's still in use it's so 50 bmg is 12.7 millimeter this is 14.5 and it's it's noticeably chunkier yeah um it's the kpv round isn't it i think the kpv machine gun cannon not quite a cannon but i saw one of those come up the other day too i've just i've seen some parts kits for him like it's it's funny because that you can get around destructive device laws in the united states as an sot uh because fun fact if it's a so if it's a semi or a single shot semi-auto whatever uh 40 millimeter let's say 40 millimeter grenade launcher that's a destructive device as a 0702 sot i can only get two of those per year if it's full auto now suddenly it's a machine gun so it doesn't fall under the destructive device category i could buy as many as i want you know the other fun thing you can do with those they're destructive devices because the bore diameter is greater than 50 caliber what happens if you take the barrel off the receiver it's now a rifle it doesn't have a bore diameter if it doesn't have a barrel this is why you can rebarrel a boys in 50 bmg yeah and it's no longer a destructive device but it is in 55 and you can take the barrel off of a boys and you now have a non-regulated barrel and a non-regulated well a gca rifle if it's already registered as a dd what happens then well the receiver remains a dd in theory you could write to atf and tell them to remove it from the registry um one of the other places where this is gets goofy is like with with aow's with those the short-barreled shotgun pistols the ithaca auto burglars if you have like let's say you have two that aren't registered just start just start putting up like whenever we mention something just put up the fucking picture of what we're talking about because the boys are lost here's the dumb thing you take you take an aow like that you can't register it legally speaking but if you took the barrel off and put a different barrel on it you could register it by as manufacturing it with the new set of barrels but not with the set of barrels that was originally on it because if 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And then they were immediately not sold. On that note, I had a Serbu Super Shorty that I just picked up and I was going to make that my center console gun. It's about yay too long. That would have been great. Those are fun. It's a neat little, it's a neat little gun. I did a backup gun match with a friend recently where he used a Serbu Super Shorty and I used a Thunder 5. No shit. Yeah. And it was like, neither of these is a good idea. You'll get a kick out of this. We did a charity shoot for the local GOP a couple weeks ago and it was like a, it was a skeet shoot or it was a, yeah, it was a skeet shoot, clay shoot. Yeah. And we knew like, I'm not a, I'm not a clay shooter. I haven't done it. I'll do it once in a while for like a charity thing, but I don't practice. I'm not going to win. And our team is, it was all my shop guys came out. We just said, you know what? We're not going to place. And that's fine. We're just having fun supporting the, you know, supporting the cause. We're just going to bring the most autistic shit we got. Bring your dumbest shotguns. I shot it with a USAS. Nice. We had a USAS, a Saiga 12, a Benelli M4. Like these were not skeet guns. We just fucked around. Oh yeah. A trench gun, trench shotgun. Okay. Yeah. Which actually is probably the best one of the, that and the M4. Yeah. Shoot guns. I'm like, what the fuck, what the fuck? This is all this crazy shit. I have no idea. Oh yeah. So going back to just really quick favorite YouTuber though. Nope. Watching guns. Like did you watch you like, Hey, here's this. Or what was that next generation where you were like, Oh, here's a different style of the same content. But I really enjoy watching this individually. Honestly, kind of with Brandon, I don't watch a lot of gun tube and I kind of never have. These days I'm just too busy. Like trust me. I do a lot of filming and a lot of research and a lot of editing and I just don't have a lot of time for, for watching other people's content, which sucks because there is cool stuff out there that I would like to be able to, like, I haven't read a fiction book in like 10 years. Yeah. Cause I just don't have time. It's a fear. Also a lot of times and content creators will talk about this. It is, I don't want to have this idea pushed on me or I don't want to steal this guy's idea. So I won't watch it just in case. And I get my interpretation of how it works. How I went to present this. So you won't watch people's content. Mine is much lazier. I just don't care. Oh, trust me. I'm worse at watching. Well, I mean, it is, it is serious where, um, you know, if you make your hobby, your job, it ceases to be a hobby. So like when I've been doing gun shit all day, the last thing I want to do is go sit and like turn on my fucking smart TV and sit on the couch and watch more shit of what I already did all day. I'm weird in that way in that I, I do this. Day in, day out. And I have not burned out on it. Really? Yeah. I still love doing it. I, yeah. Don't get me wrong. There's a word for that, my friend. Probably a couple. I, I still, I still love it. So the problem that I've run into is one of like mental damage from, from grinding it for so long, which is that I have a very hard time relaxing or taking a vacation. Like I can't sit on a beach and, and drink a margarita. It just, no. Five minutes in, I'm antsy. I'm bored. Like this is unproductive. No, I got to do something. Two days in, I'm like having a panic attack. Yeah, exactly. That's, that's dude. That's us. Like we did that a couple months ago. Like I got an, I got a nice beach house for everyone to come hang out at, and I got it for seven days. So my family could stay there and shit, but like we all got together and we're like, we can only be there for like two days max because we were all at the same time. We're just like, I gotta, I gotta work. Like I gotta do the thing. It was a great two days. It was fucking awesome. You'll appreciate this. And you'll actually get the reference, um, years ago, actually, it was like five years ago. Now, uh, my wife really wanted to find something that the two of us could do together without me turning it into work. Cause normally like if we go anywhere, I'm gonna like, oh, did you know they had the , I'm gonna go off and need to film something or. I think I know where you're going with this. And so for Christmas, she got us scuba diving lessons. Yep. The, the, the spear fishing. No. We've done that. Oh no. In several ways. Oh yeah. Oh, okay. So this was a surprise to me. Like I didn't, I know her motivation now, but I didn't know it at the time. I was just like, oh, you know, the coolest presents are always the one that's just an envelope. There were guns in the ocean. Sort of. I open it up and she's sitting there thinking like, this is gonna be something fun we can do to relax. It won't be work. I opened it up. I'm like, scuba diving lesson. Did you know the Russians had an underwater rifle, the APS? Yes. Yeah. And the Germans had one and there's some bit, and she was like, oh Jesus. Uh, and what makes it better is that now about five years on, we have actually started a second channel entirely dedicated to scuba diving. No shit. Yeah. No shit. That actually turned into a complete. Yes. I've now literally turned her thing. We can do that. I won't turn into work into a legitimate second piece of work. Do you wanna share the channel? Uh, deep dive with Ian. Nice. Yeah. Deep dive with Ian. So we ran it. It's been going. Also foggating in water. Deep diving sounds fucking terrifying to me. Oh, deep caving. Sorry. Oh God. Snorkeling. I can do that. I'm not doing cave. It's just, there's a certain, I get so low pressure. So we ran it. Me and Eli have that Mexican bone density where water is not our best friend. We ran the channel for a number of months just to get some content in it before we announced it anywhere. And I've mentioned it once or twice on forgotten weapons. Um, it's right now it's one video every two weeks. I think at the beginning of next year, we're gonna bump it to one per week and then it'll just live there. Cause I, I've seen some of your, your content you posted to Instagram. A while back, like the harpoon fishing. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. That shit seems pretty cool. It was very cool. Yeah. It was neat. Where'd you guys go? Um, that was Pensacola. Really nice. So lion, that was a lion fish hunt. Lionfish are a beautiful fish. You'll see them in aquariums all the time. Red and white stripe with these big, I don't even like almost floral looking fins. Uh, they live in the Indo-Pacific and their vent, the spines are venomous, uh, not lethal, but they hurt. They'll perk you up, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. They will. Especially if you get stung 90 feet underwater and you don't react well, like you'd better be able to keep calm and collected. Uh, but they have no defense mechanism that like that is their defense mechanism against other fish. And they came over to the Caribbean, probably in ballast on a freighter and absolutely took over. They're invasive as hell. They will eat a third of their body weight every day. Holy shit. They obliterate reef systems. Very, very, very bad, like cannot stress how they are hogs. They are. Yeah. They're, they're the hogs of the wild of the Caribbean and, and now the entire coast of North and South America, like all the way down into Brazil, all the way up almost to new England. Now. They murder these fucks. Like that one guy. He shows the video. There's a guy with a classic guy with a Glock in Florida shooting the thing. I seen the guy with the spear and he just, he had to do a video explaining why he's killing all this. It's like a little vacuum tube. Yeah. He's like, these are terrible. These are fucking God awful. What do you do? What really makes it bad is that nothing kills them. Nothing on our side of the world recognizes them as prey. So nothing eats them. Like there are lots of fish that could groupers could eat them. Sharks could eat them. All sorts of things could eat them, but they don't see them as prey. So they don't just hundreds of generations of not knowing what the fuck that thing is. So maybe that'll change over time. But in the meantime, the only thing that keeps them in check is, is human predation and what's convenient is they taste delicious. That's what I was. They are fantastic. Are they? Yeah. Have you cleaned one yourself? Are they, are they hard to do? Like, no. Okay. Normally the guys who are really good at it don't even bother with the spines. Like they're just dexterous enough. They know what to do. And if you're not, you just take a pair of scissors and there's three or four separate spines and you just, and then there's nothing to it. Like there's no poison in the fish. It's only being, being pricked by the spines on the outside. That is dangerous. So you take, you just take the filet off each side and throw the rest into the water. Nice man. How much meat does like one good one yield? My wife and I measure them in tacos. Oh nice. One taco, two taco, three taco. A five taco lionfish is about as big as you'll ever see. That's pretty. And that's like that big. That's pretty cool. Something about that size is typical. It's crazy. So, so there's no regulations. You can kill as many as you want. It depends on where you are. but it's a lot like hogs in some places like killing, as many as you want with scuba in a marine protected sanctuary we don't care just kill them all although that's a very funny thought you're like oh yeah i'm a professional harpoon lionfish poacher yeah normally spearfishing is not compatible with scuba um it's basically seen as unsportsmanlike it's too easy and it'll decimate fish populations and it did in the early days of scuba so usually if you are legally spearfishing you're doing it free diving um you ever done it free diving no the only thing i've ever spearfished is lionfish gotcha we did the one day we you know we it was a couple day trip and one day was just kind of learning it understanding how do i use the spear gun and then the day we went out hunting we did like 76 of them three of us together which is small potatoes by some people's professional standards this is imagine a piece of coral and everywhere you look there is a lionfish this is like yeah you're not supposed to be there so like oh but the funny thing is their defense mechanism is spines they don't know to run away from anything you can have five of them in a space the size of this table and you spear one after another and the fifth one just sits there the entire time yeah doesn't doesn't recognize danger yes now if you try to hit one and you miss it they figure that out and then they'll they'll run it's funny that reminds me of the the i don't know the instagram reels or whatever you see where they they build the little cardboard traps with the hole where the birds will just walk onto it to get the feed and just they'll watch their friends fall down the hole and just keep yeah don't fucking think anything of it exactly i like that go this way oh dude i i never knew that about lionfish i thought that was always like this beautiful protected species i never heard that before nope they kill them in the u.s kill them in the pacific they're not an issue because they have natural predators that was the first thing i thought when uh somebody mentioned going iguana hunting in florida yeah because you know in in my mind i'm like okay i have not really seen a whole lot of iguanas in my life right you figure like that sounds exotic should be protected i had no idea that they were a massively invasive species yeah this was crazy about a lot hogs are a good example of oh were you just wasting their corpses that's not right and you're like no if we don't kill 700 out of a million if you kill 750 000 of them a million by the next breeding season that's yeah wild that's what it's like hey no we have to curve the whole like essentially and that's why you always see the videos that dudes just having fun with them just on a truck with like a 50 maybe just like plowing them down because they fuck up like especially texas the agriculture in texas they fuck everything up and there's so many people online that's like you're not even eating them that that thing's like no no i'm a big animal lover they are worth eating like i did a lot of my when i learned to hunt a lot of it was on hog and the meat if you if you process it well it's good meat depends where you're at too i think yeah if they're eating trash well that's true yeah yeah and again it is so many you have to kill just to maintain the equilibrium of that species like and hogs you can't eat everyone you shoot you'd be fucked i'm gonna i'm a big animal lover like i don't like to kill for that sort of thing like i'm down for hunting but like i feel you know i feel a little empathy for the animal hogs i feel nothing like those are just less than living creatures check engine abs or maintenance light on take the guesswork out of your warning lights with o'reilly veriscan the service is free and provides a report with solutions verified by ase certified master technicians and if you need help we could recommend a shop for you ask for o'reilly veriscan today the first time you see one gore a golden retriever like all bets are off you're like fuck you we stabbed imagine yeah i forgot about that yeah we did the the knife hunt with the dogs and everything like that that was my first time ever hunting dang knives knives squeals you know we have technology for this now we're going back because he's like we go to florida swords we go to florida for this hunt and i'm like oh so like what kind of hunting have you done because this was years ago we went down there i'm like oh so like what's your experience hunting he's like i've never with a knife he's like i've never gone hunting before i'm like oh shit well this is gonna be a hell of an intro like most people start with deer you know duck dove something like that you're like now bowie knife hog yeah it was cool shit i mean it's i was i was very adverse to hunting um because when i was like 14 i got shot in the face the bow oh it's like i really didn't want to go around on the side oh yeah i got a hole in my hand wow yes i 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having the best day of his life like this is what they're made for and they love it and chuck liddell is like i recognize that yeah exactly yeah the dog was chocolate came running on all fours they both yeah you guys all went first and then they i ended up with the biggest goddamn pig ever when when they got your pig because like that took a minute for you to kill it because it was a big i was hitting it right where it should have been like i know where a heart is and i'm just digging and just like just stabbing this thing a hell of a sound i'm pretty happy to just stick with a rifle i think well see that was the thing when they when they butchered his pig uh they were like they recognized it they were like we knew we knew this was on property like we he was a mean um so they have these cartilage plates on their shoulders and they they peeled the plate out it had um how many healed up buckshot in it where people would try to take this down with a shotgun it had other pigs tusks in it like buckshot like it had tons of in it wow pigs i dude that was the first time it was flying in a little helicopter shooting one i was like maybe i'm missing because it was a big one just fucking just charging i'm probably missing because it's not falling i aim up just a smidge i'm like maybe i don't know let's figure out boom i see dirt i'm like i'm hitting this motherfucker in the side and it is just sprinting i was like okay let's aim a little forward it dropped but they will eat and that was uh that was a seven six two that was uh eight really yeah oh no no no no no no yeah and it was just full charging eight ten fifteen rounds aimed up seeing the dirt kicked up readjusted that was the only thing that put it down yeah those uh their little armor plates they're boneless yeah it's fucking nasty eat bullets all day long like so with your okay so you don't watch gun youtube what would you watch if you actually or are you like i just work i just like i like my work yeah no shit i don't know so it's 24 7 yeah yeah pretty much yeah what do you do for fun other than make your scuba more work that is your fun time yeah which is now also work occasionally i do other stuff but it's usually going to be like history oriented in some way because that's what interests me um a couple friends and i went to east falkland and hiked the the british paratrooper omp across east falkland a couple years ago like that was a vacation that was fun you seem to you do seem to be traveled like as far as 60 miles 100 kilometers you you you guys hiked the whole thing we rocked it that's why when he said that's my vacation i was like how many miles was 60 miles yeah he seemed to get across europe all over the place like just going to a bunch of like historically significant places i have yeah i've worked up some really good relationships with a bunch of collectors and organizations in europe you know a lot of we have a tremendous number of cool guns here but there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't exist here and it does exist in europe and so i spend time in both places um i'm actually not sure the answer to this have you been to the zastava factory no i have not i've been to hs product a couple times in croatia but i have not actually been to serbia and i know that uh kind of their claim to fame is and maybe this is true but i i heard it was true that they still have from the the war in the 90s they still have a crater in their the campus of their their factory oh i totally believe that yeah i don't know for sure but that's a thousand percent plausible i don't know for sure but that's a thousand percent plausible i don't know for sure but that's a thousand percent plausible so historically the breakup of yugoslavia was not exactly peaceful um and so the zastava arms factory is in serbia and they apparently were being shelled uh during that time and there's a giant fucking crater that's still in the campus of that arms factory where you get like zastava like m70s m77s whatever like those ak variants in the states they're still made in serbia at that factory no shit that's fucking wild so with that what would be your dream museum or gun library to check out or do a video on right now probably the one at the top of my list is the german army technical museum in a town called koblenz in germany and i've actually tried getting making some contacts there and it seems like there's german government bureaucracy that it's probably not going to really work well but it is an amazing collection with a ton of weird interesting world war ii stuff german and other what do you think they're giving you pushback on that because they're a government okay because i want to go into the back rooms of a german military small arms facility and play with stuff and you know that is not possible we should we should talk to some guys about that i know that's why i'm like i'd rather just hear like hey here's my one two and three and then we can see with what is possible from those one two and threes the thing with collections like that so first off with museums i basically it's irrelevant to me what's on display at the museum because i'm not going to be able to film it because they're not going to disassemble the museum display for me to come in and do video and museums usually display the most common stuff they're going to display the things that people will recognize you go into the u.s marine corps museum you want to see m16s m60s m1 garons 1911s you don't necessarily want to like no one's going to recognize the mclean gun that they've got in the back that is the original predecessor to the lewis only two ever existed it looks like a sci-fi prop and it doesn't and it doesn't really work now i'm pulling on my phone but they've got one what's it called mclean m-c-c-l-e-a-n mc clean uh rifle that's the stuff that i'm gonna go to yeah yeah right what the fuck yeah yeah that's that steampunk shit i like from the turn of the century that's fucking crazy what the fuck yeah q had more parts more parts yeah what so so for example the u.s marine corps museum has or had one of those more springs that's what i want to go film so i have to get into the back of a museum and depending on who owns it there's going to be various regulations if it's a military facility there's usually very formal strict regulations on how you know you need a security clearance or you need some sort of permission from somebody and so these always basically come down to personal connections i need to find someone who i can speak to personally at a facility who can either authorize it or get authorization on my behalf you lied do you want to tell the story i don't know what the fuck i'm looking at it looks like a as you said steampunk sci-fi it looks like it can weld something i think you can breathe underwater with as a giant spring like but you can see the magazine on the screen there you can see the the origin of a few of the little bits yeah dude that's wild that looks like something straight out of bioshock yes yeah um but eli do you want to tell the story about uh fucking ethan habitual habitually fat on which one access to a museum which move oh oh actually the uh yeah i think there was a what was that fort that was in oklahoma fort seal that was the guys having an issue we were they had clearance to go to this museum that is open to the public and they're like okay hey can we get on base he cleared it with everyone weeks in advance and then they get people fly in from three different places to make this this is also the shoreline crosser right who military give nick prior military and then yeah and full fin yeah camera guy but like all three okay it's been cleared cool everything's good to go you're allowed on base and you can film this so day of what happens is hey we are landing we show up oh no we can't do that it's like why why not oh we need to get jag involved why well you have a whole bunch of followers so what well this could look bad on us wait we didn't think anyone was going to actually watch you yeah it was like oh well you have a bunch of followers so now you could actually damage our reputation so you cannot be seen doing this and then they they pulled it yeah the military guys that would make the military look good the dudes who were in our rn at the moment which is wild this will look good this is great pr this is great everything if you let this happen and then no i had a gun factory that i arranged a very similar sort of thing like i'm gonna go and i'm gonna spend three days filming and i'm gonna get all sorts of cool content about this company's old cool like you guys would love them brandon would love them yeah you're the gun guy yeah and i flew there and i got in and and i'm like all right so where should i set up and they're like set up for what i'm like for filming and they're like oh that's not possible and i'm like what like why am i here and i flew home and i've had that happen once holy you actually flew there right and then they were like oh no we can't and it ended yeah i mean this and they're like oh no you can't film anything so the guy is that i'm like actually what they were turned away at the gate i called i knew nothing about this other than nick i called nick i was like hey how goes filming and he was like so funny story about that yeah we got turned away but we have a solution we're driving an hour down south we'll film there there's a museum blah blah blah i was like oh hold the on let me make a call and thankfully we have great relationships with like the highest people in the military and i just told them the situation was like hey this is stupid as fuck and they agreed they called and instantly nick's like uh they are allowing us back on base and giving us personal too i don't know what happened i was like yeah i needed that connection and i didn't have it that connection is very helpful because they've seen the big picture it's like this just looks good like across the board this looks way better than hey we just turned these people away because the people that turned you away when you got there does not oh i have a very adversarial well i don't think they know it but i have a very adversarial relationship with them now we can cut this part from the podcast but who was it i'll tell you later when we're off camera i don't i want to go back there and like the content's too good for me to just burn it yeah so i don't want to say who it is but i've only had that happen once um virtually i have no idea i honestly don't know um i think part of it was the people who were making the decisions or the people the people with the authority at that point were mid-level managerial sorts who didn't really like guns and didn't really they didn't know who i was what i was doing and didn't care and like i think it was the employee handbook says i'm not supposed to right and what do i have to gain from taking a risk on anything if it'd been upper management yeah they would have looked at went the chances are pretty good that our pr is going to come out better as a result of this but you get down to the mid-level where it's like if this turns out great my boss gets credit yeah And if it turns out terrible, I get fired. So no, nothing. That's most of the government, frankly. I was going to say, I was like, that is as government as it gets. So it's like, no, I don't want to take, nope, this is not worth the risk. I'm going to play it safe, get JAG involved. Honestly, what's so fantastic now is I've been doing this long enough and I've built enough of a reputation that most of the museum and gun people that I work with know who I am now. And they've seen some of the work I've done. And they're willing to hand me a one-off prototype. And they're like, just don't break it, please. And you really don't go after people. Like, you don't do hit pieces. No, no. Yet. I mean, when does that start? Like, the closest thing I, one of the things I love is the vast majority of the work I do is with companies and designers who are dead and out of business. Yeah. Like, I don't have to worry about offending Paul Mauser because he's dead. You know. It is what it is. Yeah. It makes it really easy to review guns without having, like, that social pressure, personal relationship thing build into it. I prefer it because, you know, there's a lot of people like, oh, you're just reporting on it this way because you have a personal vendetta against SIG. Nobody accuses me of that for Schmeisser. Right. Exactly. It's really easy. I understand why you stick with what you do. Yeah. And I've had some that are tough. Like, a good example is Full Conceal. Do you remember them? I remember them. I did not. I actually have a video coming on a Full Conceal. I bought it. Now that they're a forgotten weapon? Right. Almost immediately when they went out of business, I bought one. What is this? It's a folding Glock. You probably remember those. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, man. That is so recent, too. It was cool. I saw them at SHOT Show. It was a neat idea, but, like, it's so not going to work. I know it's not going to work. And I cannot, in any sort of good faith, do some sort of publicity on it that says that it's a good idea, because it's not. No. And so I don't want to get too hubristic here, but I don't want to be the guy who does a video on it and kills this little company. So I'm just going to wait, because I know you guys are going to go out of business, and then I'll cover it. And they did. And they did. And I did a backup gun match with a Full Conceal this summer, and the video is coming. How much was it? It was like $600 or something. That's really not bad. No. It was basically the price of a rifle. It was a regular Glock 19 at the time. One that you could just pull out. Did you see those? You said the folding Glock? Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like, it's kind of the same price as one you could just pull out of your waistband. The crazy part was they were less concealable than a Glock in a good holster. Right. It's like, oh, yeah, you just put it in your pocket. Yeah. It was, like, intended for cargo pants pockets, because you can just drop it in there when you wouldn't maybe take the time to put on a holster. So when you're being. When you're being the sheepdog that everybody doesn't recognize as the gray man, where you're wearing your black rifle coffee t-shirt, your 5.11 tactical pants, and your, you know, your Solomons with a high and tight and, you know, Oakley shades, nobody knows you have a gun. To be fair, no one's going to expect that the gun's that blocky thing in the cargo pants pocket. Fair enough. Well, I mean, it's kind of a similar concept as, like, the FM9s and just, like, the folding, the B&T, stuff like that. I think they're really cool. Oh, they are. I like them. Yeah. The only, the only good use I ever saw for those was, I don't know, I don't remember if it was, like, Future Weapons, some military channel shit, like, 10 years ago. Oh, yeah. But the guy went to, like, a food court in the mall and had it out there on the table as if it was, like, his backup reserve battery for his laptop. Because that was sort of a thing at one point. Yeah. In that sort of form, yeah. But nobody knew it. He's just like, yeah, I was just sitting here with a machine gun on the table for three hours eating my Chick-fil-A and nobody paid any attention. I'm like, that's. That's kind of neat. But I don't know if there's a purpose. When the fuck would you ever. Yeah, exactly. When would you ever fucking need that? You know what we're talking about, right? The little, like, the square, like, the fold-out machine guns, like, submachine guns. Doesn't Kevin have one? Yeah, he did actually have one of the prototypes. I'm blanking on exactly what it was, but it was one of, like, nine that was made. Yeah. It was. Yeah, someone, like, found all of those and discovered they were transferable still. Really? It was some. The FM. FMBG-9? FMG-9 something. Yeah. It was one of those folding guns, like, I think they just were sitting in some collection or some company stock room or something. So the thing with Valmet was Valmet, as a company, tried to. They convinced the Finnish Army, like, we should try this stamped thing because it'll be cheaper and you'll pay less for your guns. And the Finnish Army was like, oh, pay less. We like the sound of that. Okay, give it a try. And when was this? 76. Okay. 1970s. Because they started developing it a little bit earlier. They actually. How deep do you want me to get into this? Go for it. I'm fucking here. I don't actually know this, a lot about this. We're having a master class on this right now. So here is. And by the way, I know this because I am currently working on a book on Finnish small arms. Really? Including development of Finnish AKs. What's the name of it? It is called Forged in Snow, and it is currently on Kickstarter. It's a really good name, actually. It's a super cool looking cover with a. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd spend some time on that. Yeah. That's really good. But yeah, it covers. Where can we find links to this? Because I would like to buy one. Kickstarter. I can give you the link. We'll put it down below. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be awesome. We'd love to do that. So I will be clicking the links in the description and in the pinned comment of this episode. Thank you. Because I would really like to see that. So it's not just AKs. It covers Finnish manufactured military small arms. So 1918 through basically present day. But of course, the AK is a big. Part of that. And what's funny is from the very beginning, when the Finns are adopting the AK, one of the only questions that there's real debate about is do we have aperture sights or notch sights? Do we use the standard AK notch or do we put an aperture back on the end of the dust cover? And it comes down to like the aperture is more accurate, but it's not as good in low light. And if you get it filled with mud or snow, it's hard to clean out. You get a notch sight full of mud, it's easier to like wipe it out, get it usable. That and if you do like the Galil route where it's on the dust cover, it's less reliable just because you have the motion on the dust cover. Like the return to zero is questionable. It's interesting that that never seemed to really be an issue for the Finns. And I think part of it was they expected relatively short engagement ranges. Like during the Winter War, they used very few scoped rifles because they were usually. You know, they were. They're in forests. So did they go open? Like my. Without any knowledge, I would have chosen open sight because, okay, we just need quick acquisition if it's close. And that's why you're not an officer. Okay. They went with aperture. Really? No shit. Even for close engagements, they're like, no, we're going to use. So if I want to engage people at 50 yards, I want to make sure most of my vision of the target is obscured. So, no, no. They came up with a solution to this. And it's on your Valmat. Okay. They added night sights. Yeah. Five years or so after they started production. The night sight is a notch. You take the aperture rear sight leaf and you flip it 180 degrees forward. Yeah. And you've got a big open notch. And that was for night fighting, but it also was a good solution for close quarters, for urban, for I'm in really tight brush. And it was recognized as being a dual purpose thing. No shit. At any rate, as we go forward a little bit. In the 1970s, Valmat decided to make a run of stamped receiver guns with traditional AK style sights. Because there was still this argument, even though they'd adopted apertures, there was still an argument in the Finnish military that we would have been better off with open sights. And so Valmat convinced them to like, let's give it a try. You know, test the apertures against this new open sight gun that we have that we want to sell you. That's the M71. It's notable because it gets used, I think, in Red Dawn. Yeah. They end up selling them in the U.S. as semi-auto commercial guns. And they're like the closest thing you can get to an actual commie block AK at first. Yeah. Because that was what they used for, I think, a lot of the guns in Red Dawn for like the RPKs and shit like that. They're dressing it up for guns you can't get in the States. Right. Because you forget, like in 1983 or whenever Red Dawn was filmed, because it came out in 84, you couldn't get shit like that. So you could get Egyptian Mahdis and you can get Valmats. Yeah. And that's what they did. And that's also why we have no surplus Carcano ammo. But we'll get into that later. I'm curious where you're going with that. So Valmet spends a couple of years developing their own stamped sheet metal receiver, essentially their own AKM. But they don't have the technical plans for the AKM. They have to do it themselves. They put this open notch sight on it. They give it to the army. The army tests and goes, yeah, we're good. Like, actually, we'll take the one we had. So they go, oh, shit. Okay. And that's when they start moving it to the civilian market. Yeah. Maybe we can sell these as a semi-auto gun to civilians in Europe and in the U.S. But they convince the army to give them a try making the original pattern rifles, but now with stamped receivers, because it'll be cheaper. They do it for five years, and they come to the conclusion that the stamped receiver actually gives them no benefit. It's less durable. I mean, the Finnish army is a conscript army. Everyone does mandatory service with a small cohort of full-time personnel. professionals so that if someone russia invades uh they call up all the reservists they've got half a million men in the army um but you give 18 year old conscript recruits stamped sheet metal ak's and they do dumb shit with them and they get bent or dented in ways that a solid chunk of steel receiver cannot get dented it's like a u.s bering like you'll unravel ball bearings i had someone send me a video recently of some swedish soldiers using their sturmgewehr 90s their um pe 90s as pogo sticks when you're in the military you beat the shit out of your weapon i will my m4 that's when i got no new weapons or anything when i bought in the civilian market i would treat it the same way it's like oh if i can jam yeah if i can just foot stomp it to unjam i was like man this is what i did this is how i learned the running i could do the exact same you pogo stick it yeah exactly yeah we pogo stick our guns all the time the running joke about no no i mean pogo stick i mean literally i was using the bannet lug and the front sight blade to stand on and hold the buttstock and jump on it that's fine yeah it's still i bet it worked afterwards yeah every gun there's a kevin brigham gives this i like to pogo stick test it speaking of which i found the photo um oh yeah that was the one where they still they disguised that it's like the folding machine gun yeah from uh was it robocop i think it was actually yeah yeah it's got the radio antenna on it because it was supposed to be back then it was a radio not a backup battery for your laptop the i remember that yeah i remember kevin bringing that showing that yeah and then he stole my hitler locket as one has naturally and a rifle grenade launcher on the star yeah cool normal it was an old school uh oh that's an old suppressor yeah okay and then he had the double scissor rifle grenade launcher though was the machine gun he brought out oh the stoner 63 yeah he had a stoner 63a nice i love the refiki though dude yeah i think that's cool that was my favorite counter strike gun fun um fun fact about red dawn though i was talking about this a little uh the other day because we we just buried my grandfather and sorry the the town that he lived in in new mexico uh was actually the exact same town that they filmed the original red dawn in so it was las vegas new mexico and it's funny because there's still a bunch of shit around that town where they they still have the mural of like the cow girl up on the side of the building they have in the town museum they have the original plaque where the russian reads it wrong like oh yes great general teddy roosevelt uh killed many savages here like that whole thing like they have the the original plaque and everything like the whole town like you could just look around like you're just driving to get tacos or something you're like hey wait a minute that's where they blew up the train station nice what uh so with everything you do now what is some of the weapons that are your favorite like okay this is i know you have your own collection what would be your favorite in your collection i don't really have a favorite in my own collection you liar that's what people say about their kids so the thing is the thing is what interests me is new and interesting is novel like if i've had it for a long time i'm less interested in it because i feel like well i kind of know about that there's not a lot to go back and find about it and so my favorite thing at any given time will be something that i've gotten in the last month or filmed or worked on or and then over time that kind of fades so like oh i want to find something new and different just like kids yeah exactly yeah this one i've had this one 16 years i need to make another all right leonardo dicaprio i had this one for two years time to trade out so that that helps me in a business sense in that i'm not always focused on the same thing like oh i filmed that one last week now let's go find something new and different and finding something new and different is actually what interests me what's your dream what's your dream thing that you want to do a video on honestly at this point it's something underwater it's either an aps or an hkp11 either one of those would be pretty awesome hkp11 oh yeah i've filmed an hkp11 that's a fun story have you filmed with an aps yet no i've never actually heard any that exist outside of russia there have to be the thing that i kick myself at still like the aps underwater rifle 10 years ago at a gun show i kid you not okay yeah that looks like one of the fucking like this looks like something rounds too there's a little dart yeah that's a really long to be it's 545 but with a big nail instead of a bullet yeah and it's the only weapon that will actually shoot underwater that is good for like 20 feet or something crazy like that i i kid you not 10 years ago i found a spam can of aps ammo at a gun show what and i didn't know and i didn't know how much i don't even remember how much it was it was partly that i know it was expensive but i don't even remember how much it was i i kick myself every day for not buying this one to be sure what the fuck do you do with that that was the thing why would i spend i mean it was probably like a thousand dollars at the time yeah which was a tremendous amount of money and what am i like api there's none of those outside of russia what am i gonna do with that thing and now you're like fuck pretty much yeah yeah yeah i could have had so what i do have is a case of 9x39 because when that came in i remember the aps ammo i don't have a gun i don't know if they're ever going to come out with a gun i'm buying a case of that ammo and then 9x39 very quickly went from like 80 cents around to like five bucks it was one batch that someone imported yeah and that was it was it the wolf stuff or yeah i've got a bunch of that too wolf and tula and then i've got like a couple like the sp6 sp5 that's cool i only have a couple because you know they're fucking yeah yeah that's a fucking wild looking yeah underwater so it's a derringer essentially it has a a removable barrel cluster of five shots and they're all pre-sealed so that they're waterproof they make they make above water and below water barrel clusters with different projectiles that is so german oh yeah um and the germans will not tell you anything about them because they are still secret very secret dude so secret they make them on deviantart and so secret that they're in hk's own book about hk but hk won't say anything and i i'm asked an hk guy if i could get one and he he didn't just say like no i can't let you see one he said oh it's not possible you can't film one of those like that's secret it's it's not possible in this very germanic mindset and i that american psycho why isn't it possible you stupid bastard and i took that personally and six weeks later published a video on a p7 nice so or a p11 well yeah yeah well the fucking the from moss what you were saying about the from moss is what was wild to me you want to say that again in front of a microphone it is earlier we were talking and it is the from moss i didn't realize it had that trigger or not the trigger oh the joystick the little computer control thing with the the giant dvr cable coming out of it because it's like a from moss d or something like that it's like a different variant what are you guys talking about f-e-l-i-n i don't know if the moss is but metal gear solid gun i know what a so so in the 90s basically most of the major militaries in the world knew that computers were a thing and they came up with these super futuristic programs where we were going to computerize soldiers like objective combat warrior future combat warrior those either of those ring a bell future combat like you're gonna have a little flip down transparent display screen and a little computer that shows you where all your squad buddies are and you can look at your gun in the screen or your buddies all that the hk weapon that that massive one that we were going to do what's the big one with like oicw that like the objective infantry combat weapon yeah it was a 556 carbine and a 25 millimeter grenade launcher yes but it had that same cable system and you could aim out and shoot without sticking your head out hey i have the french actually did it and they came out with a version of the famas that had this monstrous football sized scope on it that was a night vision scope and a magnified scope and a camera and it had a display screen and you could hold the gun around a corner and see where it was aiming and record video on it and all this stuff and it actually had a cable that plugged into the rifle because instead of the regular pistol grip lower on the rifle you got a vertical front grip with a four button control pad to manipulate the technical capabilities of the computerized scope and a small number of those parts kits have actually come into the u.s. including that they don't have the scope but they've got that front grip lower assembly and the cable which i never heard i know famas that was the first time he showed me i was like i have never seen this fucking thing before in my life i saw one come up the other day their post-rock has them they're like seven thousand dollars for the kits oh my god it was far too much but i was like you know what that makes me think of like we want to create something futuristic nintendo came out with the power glove yeah instead of using a controller it's like kind of the same concept People can play video games better with this power glove. And it was the worst fucking shit ever. Oh, I guarantee so. dude anytime we're in the military actually when i was in the military i remember i got to go to one of the uh meeting of future weapons and it was hey we're building these suits for you guys to carry more uh a heavier battery yeah so you could go in combat and last longer and that's all we talked about so of course they just want to add weight to us so we have to fight longer like what dude now you can carry like 8 000 pounds at any given time and these legs will do like 80 percent of the walking till they break and then you guys should do the rest and i was like this is stupid this is just so we have to work harder but the machine doesn't private eli stuck in his exoskeleton on the side of a dirt road just like oh fuck man the legs are still walking though i'm like and it's like just taking me to war you they're still shooting at me i want to go for cover the motherfucker is as soon as those fucking electronics fail so do your femurs dude it was one of those heavy ass cables coming from the vermont i was like that is one of those big oh yeah that is a heavy platform that this future soldier is going to have to carry into combat at any given time so what's neat about it is in order to do that they had to come up with a way to mount a scope on a famas which the famas was one of those it was in that generation of rifles it was developed before optics were a universal sort of thing and it's got a carry handle slash really it's protective handle for the protector for the charging handle that's not meant it's flimsy it's plastic it's not meant to be structural but that's kind of the only thing you can mount optics on so they kind of do it it's a kludge and in order for this new computerized system to work they redesigned the upper of the rifle to give it a solid mounted picatinny rail that's a little bit lower and that's actually worthwhile so what tended to happen is they issued the felin stuff a bit and most guys hated it because it was heavy and clunky and just garbage fucking surprise but you can't scream with that but if you take it off and you like put an e-attack on the rail instead now you got the pretty decent system um and it was i think they made 25 000 of them um yeah it's more than i would have thought yeah and they're they're not bad um the the charging handle is a little janky because i had to kind of kludge it to make it work in a low with a lower rail but what's really cool about those parts kits is they give you a way to mount an optic reliably on the gun and actually they include a rail an even lower rail up front for a laser which was also a thing at the time this is cody this is the weapon that has a three round burst and then a 25 round mag it bothers me so much i know you have a defense no no i don't i don't i don't have a defense i have an explanation in two phases so first off first off fuck you 25 rounds is the most you can put in a 556 magazine without curving it yes the original ar-15 mags are 25 rounds the famas mags are 25 rounds that's why any longer than that you need weirder stamping because it's got to have a bend in it the famas did not have a burst mechanism until very shortly before adoption the whole development process was safe semi-full that is the first thing that has ever been explained to me about that that makes sense yeah and then at like they adopted version seven at version six they're like oh and also we want to burst and two rounds is too few and four rounds is too much three round burst is the thing put in a three round burst and that's where i think two is pretty cool i think most combat dude i will i mean here anyone that is going into combat if you're going into the military at all you will not use full auto ever you're going to be more effective yeah with single shots on target you're going to have control pairs and then your machine gun team your open bolt weapon system they are there to lay down fire but again that is to lay down fire and get heads down it is not i'm using through unfortunately three round burst and then doing a control group at 300 yards it just never happened that's why in vietnam they went from full auto to three round bursts right like we went from a full auto weapon platform for the mcd 16 to uh three round burst because i don't know why exactly yeah so this is from what we were told is because the massive waste of that makes sense ammunition and missing during vietnam we were just spraying because oh shit trust me i did that in combat i put on a three-round burst and just let him fly because it's like i'm gonna die so i need to get as many bullets down there as possible you're oh shit i just got to get their head down so you just and then reload my problem with the famas was always that you have a 25 well you you you developed a a weapon system that's completely independent of like stan ag magazines where you have a three-round burst and a magazine that holds an indivisible amount by three yeah which that was always kind of my mother fuck with it and i've heard people cope on the internet they're like no no you wanted to know you were out of ammo no that's all crap it's so bullshit it's total crap it fucked with me so much that was the first thing that like oh the burst ratchet came later i'm like god that makes that tracks you know there's a stan ag mag version of the famas right i knew one existed i've never seen them yeah so the navy bought tens of thousands of them the french navy did it's the g2 the the standard pattern is the f1 there was a g1 and then a g2 was the navy version it said the navy bought them and i thought our navy for a moment i'm like no sadly they're even gayer than i thought you can recognize them because they're the famas that have the full hand uh trigger guard interesting okay oh yeah i forgot that was the thing and they look yeah so the thing is in the 60s and well in the 70s france was not part of nato's uh military integration they were in nato right but what had happened oh yeah yep yeah that whole fucking thing yep yeah so the famas magazine doesn't have a uh hold open tab so it's like a quarter inch shorter than stan ag which is why you you just can't adapt a famas receiver to stan ag mags it's too short right uh in this what 50s i ought to know the history a little better than this but essentially de gaulle was presented with the idea that under nato french troops would be subordinate to u.s military command and he wasn't a fan of that and said how about here's my counter hover we're leaving so they they left the military integration which means when they develop the famas they're not stan ag they just made the magazine that they wanted and that was it in the 90s things had changed a bit they wanted to sell the famas on the export market that's where the g2 comes from the export market is obviously going to require stan ag mags they want to sell it to anyone else in europe and at that point the french navy needed some new guns anyway and so they bought that model so is it similar to kind of like the uh the styrog yeah where they just like develop the stan ag after that and like exactly yep i am unfortunately with styrog it doesn't take standout bags i have the waffle mags and my girl these are so expensive i got one two that's good enough for me i intentionally got one that wasn't stan ag because i love that like 42 rounder oh yeah so it's yeah it's cool yeah when they had an option like that you've got to get it because stan ag's boring and normal yeah it's like i've got how many guns do i have to take stan ag mags right i want them weird shit yeah i love the famas i know it's a piece of shit no no no you don't because it's not oh sorry sorry everyone see the famas is a piece of shit it's a piece of shit the problem is everyone has this negative opinion of the french for all sorts of cultural reasons that i didn't find whatever just first off i didn't realize during world war ii they thought they were going to hold that for a whole year longer it was an actual surprise how fast the french lost to everyone that wasn't even the germans were like what meth has entered the chat yeah dude i did not know that was a giant reason why like all the french hate it was how fast like american generals everyone was like they're going to hold off for at least okay they're gone oh yeah i was like oh i didn't know that the problem is nobody's actually used a famas because they're so rare and so expensive in this country and if people had they would realize that they are better in every way than the aug we are well to be fair right out the gate i believe that because the aug is not no really my favorite no it's not i just want a fucking famas for metal gear that's all i can i'm working on we're we're about done with our rebuild so we're doing completely from scratch receiver we've got the barrel because like it's a very complicated rebuild if you don't yes have yeah any of the anything and especially with an aluminum receiver like that's damn near fucking impossible to rebuild so we had to just start from scratch and just kind of yeah but i think we'll get there in the next couple months but excellent um i'm excited for it because i've never shot a fucking famas ever well if you come do the show shot challenge with me you can shoot my famas too you know that gun is interchangeable left to right handed with no new parts i believe it's right it's got two ejectors or two extractors one's real one's fake and to switch it from left to right you pull them out and you reverse them and put them back and then there's a cheat there's ejection ports on both sides covered by a cheek piece and you just pop it from one side to the other done it's like 60 seconds left to right hand i see i like that that's fun yeah everybody jay jay is one of those collections none of the are you tall buddy the billionaire guy i don't think i met him he's the one with the like he has a fama he has like all every pre-ban hk he has ever nice he has a world war one wall a world war ii wall an hk wall and it is every fmas well like every gun you could ever want he's like oh yeah you want to shoot that and pull it off and it is in a walk-in gun room that's the size of this he's the one is that your fake date guy that's exactly what i was gonna ask yeah that was the fake date i don't think the unsub audience knows about the fake date i don't know if i've ever told that story it was jay is a friend that you would um he dresses like just flip-flopped short like one of us you just one of us jay is also extremely wealthy like a next level wealthy so uh i had a first date and this is god years ago and we're like oh what do we do for the first date we can't come up with an idea and jay's like just use my house like what like what it's okay just pretend it's yours like well jay what you this is what a 12 000 square foot mansion oh yeah 12 000 is 74 000 jesus christ yeah so good lord has a okay all right this is billionaire billionaire probably find something to do in the house like that okay yeah he has a fucking estate and jay owns like this is a dude hey i created a um what was it uh creditrepair.com i was gonna say stories like this usually like i developed the better way for the the milk bottle plastic screw top lid you know that refrigeration strip that's in every grocery store in america i built that yeah creditrepair.com that was him so he was like oh i built a big house it was 8 000 square feet oh i paid off said house in less than a month uh i guess i'll build what the fuck i want at this period of my life and he did so he's like oh yeah it's your house now and we'll change out the painting and we'll make it look like your house and then the butler our private chef is yours just pretend the again rich people shit where you have a dining room in a dining room and you were broke out of army eli yeah this is this is eli like i'm just moving out of la it's not wow this is a very different lifestyle apartment eli yeah exactly like i own a studio i'm like ah what the fuck is this but you did the respectful thing and said absolutely i will do that this is a great trick on a first date we need to we need to just long term i need this for like eight months yeah please you should definitely deceive the girl you're going on a date with right okay so it's like oh shit and i forget uh some some of the friends knew her and it was just hey oh shit you're going to hang out with eli tonight man that's crazy his house is wild she's like huh what he owns a house yeah exactly so i was like okay what do i do i'll just get an uber to the house for her so she doesn't have she can't look up the house it's like hey i sent an uber for you it will be there and drive up and just driving up one of the mountainsides of utah and the uber driver she that's when she explained that's when i started freaking out it's like oh your friend doing very nice he was an asian dude oh your friend i couldn't tell yeah it was the the higher the uber driver got on this mountainside it's like oh your friend doing very good to silence oh shit okay and i i was like hey just text me when you get to the front gate and then i'll let you in they pull up she's like hey i'm at the community gate it's like got you buzzing you in uh just park at the third water fountain and then i'll go out and meet you jay's doing quite fine and she's like okay and she's thinking again community water fountain's not like this is one single house so it's like one two go i walk out front door is broken on the outside so i can't go back in so i'll just walk her through the side museum and explain this so walk out i'm like hey what's up pa hug hey nice to meet you blah blah blah thanks for coming all the way out here front door is broken so we have to walk into the side of the house uh she's like okay what world is any part of this house broken she's just like nervous i'm like yeah 100 walk her and i was like oh yeah this is my side museum you have to fuck around and say like oh yeah sorry the sultan broke it last week yeah walk in and jay has literal side museum it is a fucking like walking like glass samurai armor everything so you're walking through and you're like oh yeah fucking do you need a drink it's like yeah it's like oh here come down here we walk down the spiral staircase this is a giant bear i was like here what do you want she's like ipa walk in ipa for it just is again like half the size of this room walk in grab that haha it's like okay upstairs we're doing dinner family's waiting let's go man you need an elevator in this house haha i was like we can take that here come here walk her two in elevator go up flat five stories get up to the top everyone's waiting standing and they're like where do we sit you i'm like oh wherever you want all sit down private chef french cheese comes gets all the orders blah blah all sudden done and i remember just first sitting down everyone is eating and they're like eli when can we start eating like oh yeah eat away everyone's eating she like looks around she's like takes her hat off she's so uncomfortable at this moment she's like oh we're eating she hey why don't you tell me you're rich as fuck i am so scared right so i was like what are you talking about this is normal half the dinner's done we're downstairs having a just fun we're playing whatever like pictionary or some stupid shit and then uh we tell i tell her i'm like hey by the way this is not my house this is actually my friends this is a joke because she's like holy fucking crap oh my god i was terrified and then for a second i was like did i hit the lottery i am not sure she's like oh in that case and she throws away the condom wrapper she had poked a million holes in because yeah i don't need your phone number now actually sorry i'd never heard your friend's name i heard the abbreviated version of that story i've never heard the full one that's hilarious dude it was an entire thing because jay has money he gets boardies and he's like this is fun i could have watched this play out and i'm like patrick his chef we're filling him in he's like okay so what do i say i was like what's for dinner he's like we have the pea soup we have elk and we have that i was like just say that just do your fucking accent and talk like that she's gonna be none the wiser you don't have to act are you sure i'm like i assure you no one's used to a private fucking chef this is like lifestyle cuckoldry i just want to see somebody else live my life dude you walk out and you're like what the fuck is this what we use for the picture it was me with a baby goat or something because they had baby goats they had dude you're shitting me no no no i it is again that night you have wealth and then you're like oh people live like this and this is fun for them okay what the fuck yeah and he was like i'm gonna go to the restaurant and i'm like i'm gonna go to the restaurant and i'm like oh i'm gonna go to the restaurant and i'm like oh i'm gonna go to the restaurant and i'm like oh right through that an inch and like an inch and a half half was what stopped it and it still made that would hole at the back that would have to be unhardened this would do tungsten round this is this was yeah but he meant like the steel like it was punching yeah that knew that that's the thing and this was very very aggressive because the round was going 3 000 feet per second and this is mauser 98 like he shot the first round he's like holy fuck and he says it he has to actually because he doesn't curse he's like what like he bleeps in his own because he looks over and it's three thousand inch and a half have you steel yep uh have you seen have you seen the german uh or the polish uh armor piercing eight mauser their andy tank rifle or sorry not eight mauser eight millimeter it's eight by 108 it's like a penetrator okay it's a great porno welcome back to the banana so he goes an inch and a half is a lot of steel that's a lot of hardened steel trust me that went through holy shit mild steel okay there it was there he goes to he missed and he goes to one and a half so it is one and a half of i'm guessing mild mild there is a very big difference between mild steel and hardened steel very much so everyone is cooking it's a lot of steel but it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel very much so everyone is cooking it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel very much so everyone is cooking it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel it's a lot of hard steel everyone is cooking for a 1940 round don't don't get me wrong like it's still impressive but it's very but there is a massive difference between hardened and you know that okay yeah that one i just remember that video was like oh it's punching through a inch like no problem and this is from the 1940s that round is cooking it's interesting there's some there are some powder formulations that that survive just fine and there's some powder formulations that degrade over time uh turkish stuff and i can't remember the chemical differences but we got a bunch of turkish eight millimeter years ago that was dangerous because the powder degraded and it actually that the grain the powder grains degraded and you ended up with a lot more surface area than you originally had and so the powder burned a lot faster than it was originally intended to and you got really high pressure and it blew up guns like i know a guy who's missing fingers from one of those things in a 42 or 34. one of the things that was speculated about on the the slap rounds on contextual graphics yeah yeah um but then there are also some some powders that survive just fine and don't degrade and a lot of the german world war ii stuff the powder formulation is such that yes it's 80 years old now but it performs just the same way that it originally did some of the most stable stuff i've ever seen is the the eight millimeter mouser stuff coming out of ethiopia everything i ever tested from ethiopia was garbage that's what i was joking about yeah it's okay okay thank you i'm like absolute dog i was like are we are we looking at different ammo like that's i do you like didn't work with century for like four years because of that ammo it was like if you wanted catastrophic malfunctions or hang fires it was the greatest to use i broke a mauser 98k stock with one of those things yeah yeah it's all the the just just being pulled out of pallets in ethiopia somewhere yeah it's crazy how different areas it's like hey this can kill you versus hey this is stable and you're good to go the really good ammo is the greek stuff hxp 303 308 the greek hxp stuff is phenomenal i mean look at the tech as it evolves i love nitroglycerin and them taking it across the ocean they're like we just put in a bunch of springs as long as it's not too bad we will make it there cody have you ever seen how they did nitroglycerin back in the past no when they were transporting it yep no what nitroglycerin you're like you shake yeah why would you transport it why don't you just make it wherever you're trying to take it i don't know what nitroglycerin is it's just a bunch of springs around it back wait you haven't even seen this no it's kind of like uh nitroglycerin back in the day was kind of like tannerite uh except if you sneezed you would die yeah yeah except it's not a two-part it's just so your own waves just smacking the boat dude they would put full wait let me find the spring system it would be contained in spring systems in order to okay to uh ship it uh shipping shipment shipment on ships you have an archaeology 95 yet no but i will tell you what i that is probably one of the most recommended guns i do like i'll have one here's the must have one i i could buy one that's not really the problem the the problem is like i've seen them come up is what i mean really uh i've never seen one in the us really a 95 yeah oh maybe maybe i'm maybe i'm talking about it in my eyes here the late late late pattern valmet with grenade launcher gas cut off optics so so forgive me if i'm misattributing that to something else but like i've seen because the finns are very autistic about this stuff i just know if i do a video on that or any sort of valmet or any sort of finish ak of any kind no one will watch it that's what i'm worried about why why wouldn't they because every time so this is the the curse i have anything that i think is cool will never get views i mean you you can use the word tube with two o's yeah for valmet that'll get people one yeah he's tube stuck aka that's what i did with the sten and nobody watched it okay well i it's it's just it's like the if i out a video that's like very little effort million and a half views if i pour my heart and soul into something that i think is a very niche piece of history that i love and i'm like super excited and i think the video went really well and i watched the video back i'm like this is i'm proud of that five hundred thousand like me so i would like to respond on two different fronts first off when five hundred thousand is a failure you do more than i do you do more videos than i do god damn it but i understand i've had some videos that i did kind of as an afterthought like yeah it's 3 p.m and i have dinner at five but i just got an idea i can knock that out yeah and had them like go very successful at least you know for my standards yeah and then yeah sometimes this i can usually predict the ones that won't do well and i do a lot of them because there are videos that like this needs to be done i know none of you people are going to watch it but it needs to be covered because yeah someday someone will need to know this stuff and they'll google it and there it'll be but also your upload schedule determines your your views quite a lot like to quote my fertility specialist i'm quite impressed by your volume like you actually put out a lot of videos per week like that's that's what made the channel successful like for a couple of years it was six a week yeah that's insane on all like autistic different breakdowns of guns that i've usually never heard of well that's why i have a big library to make it possible but yeah that's that's crazy that's what was a let me grow the grow the channel that's how it got successful and large was just an insane amount of material how is it actually really quick before we close this out how is it when you have to break apart one of these weapons you're not sure on like a g11 is that terrifying out the gate because that would be not anymore i have a follow-up too have you ever broken one on accident or broken a piece while tearing something apart i can neither confirm nor deny um here's this one one have fun you're like i've watched zero youtube videos on this strips screw immediately yeah so no i've gotten i'm i'm paranoid about things like taking out screws yeah and when they're too tight i just stop and you'll see it on some videos where i'm like if i say something like this one's not really wanting to come apart it means i went in with the screwdriver and and it got to the point where i'm like it might open or i might snap the head of the screw off and i just i nope i'm done i have a 1940s cult at the shop you'll see it tomorrow it's like the oldest gun i think that's in the shop um that is all original except for one screw and that's what happened yeah yeah and you feel like a piece of because you're like this is an original this is a piece of history and i have defiled it yeah uh frankly what i've learned is guns break when you force them you never force it if it if you have to force it you stop um if you have to force it for disassembly you have to force it for disassembly you have to force it for disassembly you stop if you have to force it for reassembly you've you're not doing it right stop go back reassess and figure out the way that you do it without having to force anything and that's allowed me to do what i do without anything breaking i'm impressed because you handle a lot of that's pretty old and a lot of the stuff you know old guns like if you don't use it you lose it like that stuff doesn't want to move when it came to shooting like the morphe company does a lot of machine guns and until youtube started age restricting everything we did a lot of machine gun shooting with them and their nfa guy a guy named john kean is really good and we would assess guns based on like what's the risk of anything breaking in this and also what's the availability of spare parts because with machine guns in particular no one really cares if every pin is original yeah and so when there was stuff that was rare but parts were around we'd shoot it like frankly the one that terrified me the most was that fg-42 yeah i i if i owned it i would never shoot an fg-42 i own in fact i wouldn't own an original fg-42 i would resell that thing like i'd rather have a house than that fg-42 um but it was on their company insurance policy and the consigner was cool with us shooting it because he knew it would make it more desirable at auction and actually okay so here's here's the funny behind the scenes thing we have we had portuguese surplus ammo for shooting that like we didn't go out and buy brand new eight millimeter no we had portuguese surplus it's pretty good it'll be fine in an rg42 why it was hard primered if you watch the video i start off the video and i'm like all right semi-auto no one wants to see semi-auto we're going to full auto the reality is in semi-auto it wouldn't run so the fg42 has the system where it fires from a closed bolt in semi and an open bolt in full auto so that in full auto you get better cooling but in semi-auto you don't have the bolt chunking closed when you pull the trigger so you get more accuracy in semi which is weird because even in the semi-auto it seems like it's semi-open bolt a little bit because the firing pin and the op rod are both moving forward right which is why like when i on the semi-auto clone so you feel the bolt move forward and you're like that's no that's how it works but yeah what it the upshot is in full auto because the whole the firing pin is moving from a much greater distance it's got a lot more energy in it than in semi-auto and this thing would run about half the time in semi you know bang bang click rack click rack bang click rack but and at that point like this is my only chance to ever shoot this thing like we're up here on the range of grass casing two versus steel oh it's it was brass it was brass case yeah but it's it's there what was it okay well germany germany went to steel case at the end of the war oh okay i wasn't sure if that was a tolerance issue the problem is is the primer like if the primers are hard then if you don't have a a crazy amount of force behind the firing pin you're yeah so like what I really don't want to do is have to call off my one opportunity to film a full auto original stir uh fg42 so I'm like well let's try it full auto and see if it works and it ran great ran perfectly in full auto because the bolts moving four inches more it's got a lot more mass a lot more velocity to it so it worked in full auto so that's how we filmed it I was like I'm just gonna glaze over semi-auto and go straight to full that's exactly what we did in my Sten video because the Sten that I had acquired we figured out so it was running like it ran like absolute glazed dog unless it was we took out the semi-auto components and then suddenly it ran fine weird okay couldn't couldn't tell you why but it just it worked out that way so we're like you know what it nobody actually cares about a semi-auto stand anyway it's really weird to me that they bothered to put a semi-auto in the Sten it's like a condom got it it sucks when you use it but when you rip it off it's great you're fine exactly see it makes sense machine gun that's how it works machine guns by Eli get rid of that thing fun times happen design brief on the Sten does not really isn't really compatible with why would we have extra parts make it semi-automatic one of the least ergonomic terrible sites open bolt submachine gun yeah let's get some precision shooting out of this nine millimeter yeah but you know they work usually like again was it a was it an original cnr gun or was it some sort of rebuild re-weld yeah rebuild re-weld re-weld yeah rebuild so that yeah you always got to throw that out there yeah for people looking for machine guns that's one of the values of of an original cnr gun is it has not been cut apart and re-welded by Bubba yep oh I just picked up a uh cnr uh mg0815 oh cool I'm excited by that love that one that's one of my favorite nomenclatures it's one of my favorite genders so every everyone in the comments will now inform you that 0815 actually in German means boring or commonplace so new was it that's what I learned afterwards that that's like the 10-4 of Germany yeah exactly things are fine yeah and it's because they were so commonplace in which yeah I had no clue but that's very it's very cool a little stuff like that I think is neat yeah I just saved you from that showing up in the comments no they'll still do it this episode is Cody and Eli staring at each other awkwardly this is how it feels look I feel like you should have known that was coming I was ready for it I was I learned a lot so I'm extremely happy don't get me started on Shaspo variations that's what the patreon after show is gonna be about Cody on that note well first off Ian where do we find you beautiful son of a bitch uh forgottenweapons.com or YouTube forgottenweapons or patreon forgottenweapons or pepperbox uh Kickstarter uh the the book I'm working on well the book I am currently uh pre-selling is forged in snow finished small arms 1918-2025 covering the mosens the velmets the lugers the lattes the light machine guns all sorts of super cool stuff uh currently on Kickstarter lots of cool stretch goals lots of neat options check it out you're gonna get it you're gonna get it you're gonna get it out you're gonna get a kick out of my Lottie tomorrow too excellent I got something to show you on that it's pretty fun all right gang does you know hi everyone thanks for coming to the unsubscribe podcast I was joined today by Eli double tap Ian from forgotten weapons Brandon Herrera myself don't an operator please join us for the patreon after show you checked out hours ago didn't you me and Eli were over here just like doing rock paper scissors dude it was great we love you all join us for the after show where we find out if Ian finally got his hands on some 32 French long aren't you excited I got my hands on some long the same right bye foreign check engine ABS or maintenance light on take the guesswork out of your warning lights with O'Reilly Veriscan the 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