Week 9 Recap: Caleb Runs Cold, Packers Stomp Patriots, Bengals Bonanza, Sleeper Stroud, Philly’s Fallout, and a Cowboy Pooped His Pants

on today's episode of the ringer fantasy football show Noah Eagle next man up Caleb Williams melts down and wins anyway Drake May melts down and the patch just become a puddle. Jamar chasing Tehiggins make us feel things. We thought Patrick were harms his arm. I said his name weird, but I'm going to keep going patch mooms his arm came off and then he just didn't miss a play. Jason McCarthy, I mean, it looked like he got shot and you know what, he also came back in the game. Rashon Gary pooped gum, a lot of gum and then DK does teleporting time all that and more after the break. It's teleporting time. This episode is presented by Verizon. You can't guarantee a fantasy championship, but you can unlock daily giveaways and epic experiences this holiday with Verizon shine every Monday Verizon shine gives customers a shot at epic experiences like meeting top NFL and NHL athletes. Check the Verizon app for your chance to win. These once in a lifetime experiences plus unwrapped daily drops from the brands you love like top golf and AMC theaters. Its Verizon's gift to every customer must be 18 or older while supplies last additional terms apply. See Verizon shine for details, no purchase necessary for Monday epic wins. We're going to go over all the games from week nine of Sunday, a lot of weird stuff happen today. I believe every favorite one except New England today. We're going to get to everything. We have to start bears beat the $27.24 on Sunday night football. How do we want to do this because part of me wants to do the first quarter talk like the way we were going to do it and should we like do the time capsule of what we thought when the first quarter ended? I wrote down Ben Johnson is at the point where he can pick who he wants to score at any given point. I talked about how refreshing the bears offence is and how they try to score with every play essentially. And then they turn the ball over five times immediately after that. I wrote down bears are going to win the Super Bowl Caleb Williams is my favorite player to watch. [laughter] And then the other three quarters happen. So the next two quarters, you see through three picks in the second quarter, should have three four because they dropped the bucket years dropped to pick six. So we should have through four exceptions to pick six in the second quarter. Third quarter through another pick. It wasn't that this game even had a bunch of turnovers on like points off turnovers. This game had turnovers off turnovers. Like Caleb throws it pick in the end zone, Tampa Bay immediately turns it over and downs. Then Caleb gets the balls back to the ball back. I did Tom Brady did that today too. But the turnover Caleb throws a pick on the first step back. Then Baker throws a pick. Then Caleb throws a pick back. And then later Caleb threw a pick and then the next throw, Baker threw a pick six. Like it was just like the SNP SNP, Michael Scott, emotional tall throughout. And it was just like the horse meme. Yeah. For real. Caleb, is that a weird play style tonight? I think those first two drives, you know, we were kind of joking about like Kevin Granite quote. He liked when you honest hit his first two, three, and I don't want to say that. But like Caleb is almost like the more amazing, the more regular, the amazing plays become. It's almost harder for him to like accept that this, this one play, he's not going to be an amazing one. And so it's like he's just like dropping back and he'll occasionally be like, ah, fuck it, I'm going to force it. Because like, what if it's awesome? And then he, I mean, he had a couple of throwaways that might not have been throwaways that ended up being picks. He said that he was trying to throw them away. One of them, I think the one doors burden he was. The other one at Raymond seems like he was throwing the Raymond. I'm torn because I was talking to you to kill about this or producer as a bullet bare sin. He didn't enjoy the game at all. After this first game. He was straight up not having a good time. It's like, why is Caleb Williams trying those really difficult guys like, like, past rushers in his face, step back for aways? I'm like, because he won six games last year with that as the final play. Yeah, I get it. Like he did that in the Rams game. He had that play at a coast in Loveland. He did that both Packers games. Like, he's been doing that his entire, he did that in college. He did that in high school. But there's like a balance. There's like a recognition after you've thrown two. It's like, all right. Maybe don't do that. Maybe two more. Maybe two more. Yeah, this was a crazy, I mean, the amount of things in this game that were absolutely ridiculous. I mean, first, I think Baker may have got the shit kicked out of him. Luther Burton fumbled, got knocked out, standing up. It looked like the Niners raiders. Robin Bane is on my shit list now for what he did to Luther Burton. I don't see meant, he didn't seem like he meant it. I think he meant it. No, I don't know. He just said, he didn't interview after. He's like, I meant that. Sure. No, Luther Burton had a great game. You guys going to admit that Luther Burton is awesome, a lot. Why do you actually like, like, we haven't? Because I just feel like I was, I just, you never really said it. Say it. You never say thank you. Yeah. It's what the money's for. I feel like the first month, I was like kind of being like pretty good Luther Burton game. You have like a 65 scoreless yard and you're like, yeah, yeah, sure, sure. And now it's like, he said, for a straight good game. So what's the, what's the verdict here? He looks great, man. Yeah, thank you. Good job. Good job. Thanks. Craig got one point in the game. God, this is after Luther Burton scored like a 60-yard touchdown. He goes, I got to say it feels good. I was like, Dave Chang, I'm coming for you, Dave Chang. Those Dave Changs beating me in the ringer league and I have Luther Burton and I am coming for Dave. Pause. I don't care. Yeah. But yeah, no, Luther Burton looks good. Nice. Yeah, okay. Well done. I feel bad for him. I drafted him a lot because of you. Yeah. I should have had. I feel bad that he got knocked out. Right. I mean, he got knocked up while standing up and then fumbled and then landed on his head. Every now and then, you're like football's bar bear. I can maybe should be played. Honestly, a play we were talking about this that seemed like it should have been, they should have thrown a retroactive flag. I really, the, this game shouldn't have been closed. We're heading in contact. It would be a bigger deal of Caleb having thrown four picks because that, it was the bear's fault that the game is close. But the fact that there was no flag on that play was ridiculous and I think one of the reasons next year, they'll probably do a, the New York command can throw a flag down for the player safety ones. Like if there's an obvious face mist or an obvious helmet to helmet, I think maybe they should be able, you don't want to get digital flag logo comes up, exactly. Or it comes up tonight, but like tonight all the mouth guards will just throw a mouth guard out and it's like a flag. But that, in that case, I was like, you know what? Maybe they should be able to just drop a flag. It's like, that was crazy that he just got KO'd standing up and that was the, it was a turnover because of that. And then the bucks score because they were in the red zone on the turnover and then it was a tie game. I completely changed the trajectory of the game. Probably should have just been a flag. Yeah. Yeah. That one stuck with me. That was, that was really bad. This, this, you Craig made the joke. How many interceptions would Caleb Williams have to throw for me to feel concerned? He said that after two and then there were two more and it should have been three more. Does this game change anything for you about the Bears or were you just going to be like, now the first quarter is the real quarter? I think, I think, I think very highly of Tampa Bay's defense, who's been really good all year. And no, I would say largely I remain pretty confident in Caleb. I mean, even to kill the bear stand, he was like, because they were up like 17 to three when Caleb started throwing picks and he was like, these are funny, like, I don't even, I'm fine. Like, he was laughing. He was worried. He was like, he's still, he's like, I still trust Caleb. It's fine. He was a facade. And that was freaking out. I don't know. With Caleb, it's like, he's just trying something. Like, I don't think there's any like fatal flaw. I'm like, yeah, he's just forced something, but I still trust the town. I still trust him. Also, like, he is not, he has not been in his career and there's been stats thrown out where in terms of his start of his career, one of the fewest, uh, turn our interception thrown over like, he only has one coming into the game today. Yeah. So it's not like it's been a problem or an issue consistently. To me, this was just kind of a fluky game. Yeah. Weird game. The Buccaneers can't play a normal game. They're the hardest team to figure out. They're the new like Seahawks. Like, they've never played a normal game. Remember the Kevin Clark tweet that always gets recirculated. Like, that is now the Buccaneers. Well, I would say both these teams don't really have normal plays. Like, it feels like these quarterbacks more than any quarterbacks are always just like making shit up. Baker's way worse at it. I feel like now Caleb is, I mean, the Bucs got five takeaways and lost by three points, which is pretty terrible. Caleb's ending like him completing a 30-yard pass in Baker's is him getting like crunched. Wait, why will it sit under Jeffrey Simmons? Baker just, Baker just get crunched is the right word. I, they really nail all the field mics on the son of the football. But I, the bears, the reason I actually kind of do think the bears will win the Super Bowl. The bears defensive line really dominated the Tampa Bay offensive line and the Tampa Bay offensive line is good. And they made the Tampa Bay offensive line look terrible and they did that by physically overpowering them. Jeffrey Simmons had multiple plays tonight. We're having bush in this game. Devon Bush just looked like freaking dick buck. I can't see. Oh. Look like dick butt. Dick butt. Dick butt kiss. Holy hell. Oh, you are. That helps a lot because of what they're able to do on their defensive line. It helps just open things up on the linebacker spot. He was just flying around. Craig really liked the dance that he did after he made that tackle on the back. Yeah. That was kind of cool. Um. Yeah. I thought he showed a rhythm. It looked good. Yeah. But yeah, Baker got the shit kicked out of them today. I feel like you're on baseball. I think they've limited how many times you can do this. Now, how many times can you call time in the batter's box? You get like one time twice a game? - It's a limit, I never learned what it is. It's in one ear at the other. - There should be, remember when Baker, you were talking about how like Baker was like laying like face down on the turf. And how he was like, - See now? - Well, he was like the tough part about quarterback 'cause like you get drilled and it's like, the play clock starts for the next play. Like you gotta get up. - I almost think it should be a couple of times a game where you can call time. I need 30 seconds, please. - I coach, come back. - Hit the button, yeah, there should be two of us. - That'd be fine with that. - It's an underrated part of getting the shit kicked out of you is like, yeah, the play clock starts to go up immediately, you're like, all right, the play call's coming in and it out. - I mean, if you could call time twice in a game or something like once per half. - Yeah, just give me 30. - I agree. - I mean, they can call time out, technically. - What do you know what I mean? - They literally mean. - So other things from this game-- - They have these things called time out. - Yeah, we'll get right on that. - I don't know how to call time out for that. - Right. - That's fair, I mean, I'm just saying for the people, the ghosts that are yelling it, there are timeouts. - You think I didn't, I don't know that there's timeouts. - Why, you know, there's a lot of rules. - That's true. - There are a lot. - I didn't know if you knew. - There's a quick, a quick little 30 second breather. - Right, yeah. - Like a 30 second timeout. - No, not like that. (laughing) - Okay, got it. - It's kind of an unofficial thing. - Sure. - But it is, it's official. They're called just for the quarterback. - Yeah. - There are, I have so many notes from just the two, the first quarter was its own game and in the first quarter, but whatever we thought the bear was gonna win 40 to five, it was, I just have down Roma, Dune, Zays, Matthew, Golden, because every time he drops the pass, the next one's like a touchdown. And I will say that's gonna come up in the playoffs again. The Jeffrey Simmons trade, just in every game, Jeffrey, I know if two firsts is a lot, and they need to make the Super Bowl for it to be worth it at some point, but-- - It feels like it's way more-- - Holy shit. - They feel like it's a completely different defense. - Jeffrey Simmons, they look like the best defensive line in the NFC, I guess, I would say, I would say Seattle, but they didn't have Leonard Williams that I like, they just kinda look like the best defensive line in the NFC. And Nate, Nate, I said this to that, I couldn't believe it. Jeffrey Simmons, so they can track how far you're running, not like just, you know, with your feet, not just like upfield for yardage. - Running with your feet. - Running with, God, they can track how far you're running with your feet. - Like, where you're actually, like if you run 10 yard sideways to get a yard, they're like, oh, one yard run, like, yeah, but you ran like 12 yards diagonally. - I understand now, okay. - Like, Patrick Mahomo's ran like 500 yards going up cheesebuck soup. - It's not a timeout. - You just call time, right? - Yeah. - No, I get it. - Do I even wanna read this stat? - No, no, okay. - No, read it. - Jeffrey Simmons ran 422 yards in the first half, which the most of any buck or bear. - It's a sucker. - I mean, he said it was more than Bucky Irving ran in those three days. - He prevented a Bucky Irving touchdown because he was falling up after the play and chasing him down. And like, he's just, he's a game breaker, but like, you don't see a lot of defensive tackles that are like beating double teams or, like, the amount of times he's creating, he's getting a hockey assist 'cause every time he gets the draws, the double team for the offensive line, like all the other guys are winning and just totally crunching Baker. But then he still has enough, like when Chris Jones done, that Chris Jones is chased after anybody. - He had a better game today, after a year. - Yeah, yeah, he had a great game. - I think it's so true 'cause Craig said this couple weeks ago right after the trade happened that Jeffrey Simmons is now going to be famous or whatever because he's now on the bear's, he's on a good team. Also, he just so happened to be on a team playing in prime time. - Yeah. - I'm thinking back. I'm sure I have. I can't remember the last time before that I saw the camera like linger on Jeff Simmons. Like, can you remember the last time? - Well, the Titans are one of the-- - I mean, no one's watching the Titans super closely nationally. It's, you know, they've been a bad team, but it's just crazy how much we've seen of him. The last two weeks. - Totally. - It's like, who is this guy? He came out of nowhere, even though I've known he's been one of the best defensive tackles in the NFL for years. It's just actually crazy how big of an impact he's made immediately. - Don't you think I would say a couple of other things we learned, a couple of fears that were kind of quelled? I think Baker's hand is okay. Like I feel like Baker. - Isn't the 60 yard touchdown? - Yes. That was a beautiful pass to Tess Johnson. 'Cause the game started and like, they kind of weren't throwing it that much and we were like, can he throw? - Yeah, they kept running. They were throwing a couple of screen passes and I was like, man, this is like really bizarre. He had nothing on his hand. He was not wearing any brace. And then he threw for over 200 yards in the game. And while the game was messy, I thought Baker looked. His hand looked healthy. By the end of the game, his knee did not. He was really beat up and he was limping throughout the end of the game. - Baker just can't play like he just genetically is incapable of like not getting the shit kicked out of him. Like he has to hold the ball to the last second every time. - Yeah. - You know, they're all like, leave it all on the field. You shouldn't actually leave it all on the field. Like you should feel the dragon a little off. - You should play it a little off. - For Sean Gary left it all on the field. - For Sean Gary. - Yeah. - Didn't make it to the field. All right, other things for this game before we move on. First of all, Noah Eagle replacing my Tureka. I hope my Tureka is okay. I don't know what happened there, but. - He sent me back next week, so it seems. - Okay. - Noah Eagle stepping into the boot, Craig, honest emotions learning he's 29 and we're 31 and he's announcing some NFL football. - I always hate when people are really successful at your younger than me. I always have, it's just the worst feeling in the world. I'm like, this guy's 20, I can't even be 30, 29. Come on. - Dude, I remember when Derek Favours was on the cover of SI and I go to my brother. I'm like, this motherfucker's younger than you. - Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, how old's Curry Barker, fuck, Kane Parsons is 20? Damn, equals fine. I mean, he played it very like down the middle. I mean, the chemistry wasn't quite that, but he was perfectly fine. - His mom telling him to not shave, so he looked older with smart. I don't, I assume that she told him that, but. - Oh, I was gonna say, did he say that? - No, I'm just assuming. - That his mom told him not to shave. - You think his mom didn't call him that? You think his mom didn't call me that? - I have no idea. This is reporting this, right now, yeah. - Fucking wrong. - Hello, Sarah, I was in the other room. Should we ask him? - No, but the beard is smart. The beard made him look older. - Yeah, he had a nice big fancy watch on, you know? Nice suit. - Sure. - His tie was better than Brady's tie. - Honestly, that's a super hard gig. Like, showing up on something like football. - Oh, it's so hard. - It's so hard. - It's so hard. He did a good job. - You've did, now it's all the K.W. Williams. - Uh, I'm gonna just have to do one more day. - One more day. - One more day. - You need to do that, Mario. - Yeah, do that. - I think less is more, you know? Keep the people wanting more. - Speak right now. - Keep the thing is, you actually can't talk. - I don't know what else might have to take the will. - Did you end up doing a Red Bull or no? - No. - Speaking of taking more, special team's coordinator, Danny Smith, they did the longest extended thing I'm chewing gum that's ever been done on television. He does 15 pieces of gum at once. It was 15 pieces of gum and they showed everyone-- - Okay, bear, but with gum. It was like, it's like so crazy. - It's like every time the gum got bigger. - He's just like falling out of his mouth. - They weren't gonna cut away, and they actually just zoomed in like three times. And I just kept thinking it was, it's like Lord of the Rings, the third one. Every time I thought it was over, I'm like, now there's like another and fuck the piece of gum coming. - Yeah, there's a third act. - I love those like not really any depth to it. They're just like, this guy loves gum. That's it. - No, there's no story. - He loves gum. - We gotta get Danny Smith on the broadcast. - We're at a studio sicker where Jack will support it. And he's like, you know, to get that montage, like they were, had the camera on him, chewing gum. - Someone had to zoom in for like three hours. - The camera guy was like, hey, you're on gum duty today. - He's not in the NFL anymore. That was not his first rodeo 'cause he's for Pete Carroll before. - But the reporter was like, and when the gum gets stale, he just throws it out and adds new ones. And I'm like, yeah, that's how it works. - Yeah, that's not really, I mean. - That's how it goes. - Gum be like that. - He'll just keep chewing it. He just chews and chews. - Yeah, that likes gum. - He really does like the gum a lot. - It's like an ridiculous amount of gum. - Was it Terry Frenkona? - Terry Frenkona would do the, the shot he would have like. - It's like a combo, wasn't it? - Like three times the normal amount of like, the dip that yeah, the back you'd have wrapped around gum. And he'd go through like three a game, I think. It's just the fucking psycho. - As somebody who's never chewed tobacco, I thought that was weird that he combined it with gum 'cause like, you chew gum, but don't you not really chewed tobacco? Don't you just put a pouch in? - Should we do chewing tobacco this week? - Hell no. - Should we just pick one? None of us have ever done it, right? - I just feel like it's a guarantee puke. - Should we all do sins this week? - But don't you knock, all sins different? - I'll do sniffing salts or what? Smelling salts, sniffing salts. You know what I mean though? I thought you mostly just like pouched tobacco and you like, it gets into your bloodstream like through your lip, are you chewing it? - Well, I think, well, I mean, I think it's not good if it's in gum. - But he wraps it in gum. So he's chewing it like gum, right? Terry Frank on it? - I don't know. I don't know if it's fine. - I feel like gum is a more active chew and in tobacco is you just kind of like pouch it. - Right. - Maybe, I don't know. I don't know. - I think that's right. - Yeah, emails if you are a real man and you chew gum. - Austin, you, you haven't chewed tobacco? - No. - Nick Hill? - Nick Hill, sweet Nick Hill, no way. He's like, "Fuck yeah, I got something right now." - All right, winners will lose for the day. Packers are the winner, I think, right, DK? - Yeah, the Packer's holy shit. Their offense is, it just becomes more and more absurd every week. It feels like they are the bombs away team of the NFL right now, the A-tot. Just average death of the target or area arts per attempt. Jordan Love is number one in the NFL. He has over 3,000 area arts this season, which is almost 500 more than the next closest quarterback who's Dak Prescott. Just the way that they air the ball out, especially when they don't have any run game. They are the worst running team in the NFL. I was telling this to you guys today, I was just, I don't understand how it works. It doesn't make any sense to me that teams keep allowing them to hit these explosives over the top when they have no run game. And they just keep doing it. And the guys are wide open. - It is deep ball after deep ball after deep ball. You remember? - He sits back there and just laughs it up. - Everyone's like. making it rain out there. - You know, I apologize that I always just make references to the warriors, but it's my only reference point. So, do you remember the famous Steph shot against the Thunder 2016 when he shoots, it's like the end of the game and he shoots, it's tied or whatever, it's like a shot to win. And he shoots it basically from like half court. And as he shoots it, Inus Cantor's on the bench and he just goes, (laughing) and he's like, why were we guarding him? Obviously we knew he was gonna do that. And I feel like that's what every time I'm like, it's just Watson and Golden going deep and love chucks it every time. - I thought that we'd cure this. - That's all they do, they can't run the ball. - I know we've cured this with the cover too. - How do you keep doing it? - I thought the Patriots were gonna win this game. And part of it was 'cause I was like, they're gonna do the cover two thing. They're gonna like try to fit the rum six, they're gonna have two deep safety sell time and they're gonna go ahead green bay running. And instead, every time Matthew Golden, well, part of the problem is Christian Gonzalez, who is the highest paid cornerback in the NFL, gets 34 million dollars a year, was absolutely barbecued today. And I mean, next chance, this was before the game was even over on the broadcast they flashed that Matthew Golden lined up on Christian Gonzalez was targeted six times, caught all six passes for 95 yards. - I mean, on the dollars and then every, basically every time Gonzalez was on Watson or Golden, they threw it at him basically, right? - I believe I have the whole stat. Of Christian Gonzalez on the day, was targeted 10 times, gave up nine catches, 177 yards in a touchdown. - I mean, that's a night, he's literally supposed to be Patrick, so 10 borderline defensive player that you're cannon instead. It's kind of like how soft guard they gave up the losing touchdown for the cult today. Like literally like, the opposite, he was kind of the worst part of the defense of the Patriots today. - Watson and Golden had 335 yards today. - They had 90% of the packers receiving yards. I think this is the worst game Mike Vrabels coached, or at least it's one of the worst ones for the Patriots, but one of the three or four worst games he's ever coached period. Because the only thing they do is Golden Watson and it's the only thing the packers did in this game was get it to Golden Watson. - I was gonna say, isn't it? The packers are the Patriots thing to take away whatever you do best. And this is, - Well here's, - It's just passing the attack. - But guess what, believe it or not, the packers also had the best rushing game of the year this week. They had 113 yards, I think seven, eight minutes left in the game, which they hadn't even done all year. Like Caleb Johnson's out here, again, Christian Gonzalez, a lot of Patriots fans, think he was making business decisions on the packers. Just the Patriots looked awful in every phase. Not to mention Drake made through three picks. On the first, his first throw of the game was a pick. - I know. I feel like, you know, today, as we said earlier, it was a bit, a lot of close games, but a lot of the final scores, the team that you thought should have won one, the team that was favored one, except in this game. So I do think the loser of the day, while the packers are the winner, I do think the Patriots are the loser. Just because of how like non-competitive this game was. Drake made, yeah. Three picks, all of them were not great. I thought he lacked a lot of zip on his passes today. - He was just like taking way too long to throw this game. - He had weird touch. I don't know. I know it's like the shoulder thing. I felt like there were moments, you know, he has such a very, he has such a beautiful deep ball. And he can really like make a deep ball feel like delicate. And he'll just like drop it right in. But there were some passes where it was a guy going over the middle and you're like, you need to zip this in there and he kind of couldn't. - Like show some urgency. - Yes, and it was like these kind of like slow moving passes that ended up getting tipped or intercepted or whatever, Ramanj Ray fumbled, you know, we've talked about the receivers. You know, Matt Collins came back, but like a really messy game from New England. And now you look at, so the patch are five and four and so far this year, their wins are against the dolphins, the jets, the raiders, the Steelers and the Bills, and their losses are against Seattle, Chicago, Jackson, Ville and Green Bay. And it is, you know, the stat on New England sends Drake May has been around. It's basically like they beat bad teams and they lose the good teams. - And the only good team they've really beat in this ball season is the Bills. - Yeah, and the Steelers. (laughs) - But you were doing it, and I don't like it. (laughs) - Yeah, you know. - I did know I was doing that, but I feel like Drake May, it was not a good game. - He, no. I mean, because of the first pick, they started down 14-nothing and then he was pressing and then he made more mistakes. But then the Patriots lost another left guard, which I don't know, they're on, they're fourth this year, fifth, I don't know. They lost Mike and Lennon is their best left guard. They replaced with Greg Van Roten. He got hurt, like they've had all these injuries in and out of the line up on the line. The line was not a strength to begin with. Again, I've just, Morgan Moses, I think, has more than outplayed his keep at right tackle, but he's like 35-36. Like, they, losing the left guard spot over and over. I thought you could really see the Packer's defensive line like begin to just like thoroughly dominate as the game went on in the second half, where it went from Drake May's not playing well. And then right when I felt like he might turn it around, he had no time. - Yeah, the Patriots to me kind of feel like a team with like a lack of blue chippers. I don't, there's not a lot of people. - What about AJ Brown? - Well, he was supposed to be their blue chip, yeah. - What about Romeo Dobs? - Oh, right, him, yeah. I actually forgot about Romeo Dobs. (laughs) You just feel like they don't. - No, he's got an issue he's working with. It just feels like they don't have a lot of difference makers and you can tell when they play good teams. - Tomorrow Douglas is the only guy that feels like he can get like huge chunks. Ramanja Stevens doesn't slow him out and then he had a killer fumble that kind of ended the game. But he turned it over four times. I, they got blown out, but they also lost an every phase of the game. And again, the packers DeLand completely dominated the Patriots. - And this was in New England, by the way, yeah. - So, 45 to 27, by the way, the Patriots. - We watched this, we watched this at Bill's house. It wasn't even enjoyable, it was just sad. Like it was, Bill and his friend Hench he's also a Patriots veteran. It was actually sad to see them like coping with the Drake male down. - Was it for you? - It wasn't as enjoyable as I thought it would be. - Yeah. - To watch them like digest a terrible Drake may game. - Well, they had hope for a little bit. Bill and Hench were like, even when they were down 14 or 21, they believed that they could come back because we all kind of did a little mental gymnastics about the Drake may interceptions, but then it just kept getting worse and worse. And they kind of, there was one of those like, who's the back up? (laughing) - I think the Patriots fans are gonna turn on Christian Gonzalez. But I will say Matthew Golden, how many weeks in a row can Matthew Golden just be open every time? Until we actually are like, should we consider him as? - Well, I was gonna say, I think he's one of the stories of the season so far. Just the way that he's playing, one of the biggest stories, the way that he's changed their offense. Obviously, look at what happened. The difference between the Packers week one, when we're like, oh, this is really not good. Their offense and why he can't do anything. They can't run. It makes everything fall apart. And now I look at the Packers. By the way, the Packers beat the Patriots in New England. 45 to, what was it, 23, 27. And improved with six and three and they're in last place at the NFC North. It's crazy. The Packers are in last place. I think the Packers might be one of the best teams in the NFL. And the way that Jordan Love is playing, one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. I mean, he's playing so well. - He's literally, in terms of volume stats, basically only behind Borough right now. - Every team in the NFC North has six wins or more in every team in the NFC South has three wins. Exactly. - So the NFC North is absolutely stacked. But yeah, I mean, I think Matthew Golden to me is one of the, like, he has changed their offense. And he's a gravitational player. Like, there's an old term tilt of field where he just has ability to get open and make these explosive plays. And if it was just Christian Watson, I don't think it would work quite as well. They have two guys that can do it. - The route running is insanely polished. I mean, he was never going as good at Texas, to be honest. I mean, if you just look at the fantasy points in the season, total fantasy points, Watson and Golden are both in the top five. They're both ahead of what you're going to chase and see against this year. - Yeah, Golden started really hot and then Watson finished strong. And during that first stretch, we were 150 yards and a half time. When he was going crazy, I was like, "Oh, I actually just think he's the best receiver on the team." And I might still think that. I mean, they're both really, really good. But Watson, I mean, Golden has a little bit of like a, you know, it's like, you can tell he's reached another level. There's just like a look to him when you watch him. You're like, "Oh, he actually, he kind of moves a little bit differently." - Yeah, I was going to say the might kind of intrusive thought during this game was the way that he moves, the way that he's able to maneuver his feet and get ready to catch the football in traffic or beat a guy off press or whatever. He reminds me a little bit in body size too of Antonio Brown, just like the pure shiftiness and burst to get open and attack the football in the air. He has a few drops. So he's dropped the ball a little bit too much here and that's like something that he's got to clean up. It's a little bit sloppy. But just his movement skills are really elite and I just kind of had that thought today. And that's like high bar obviously. - You think? - We kind of forget how good Antonio Brown was 'cause of everything that's happened since he retired. - Because he has, he launched a network called CTESPN on his Twitter or something. - Yeah, partly. - I think he's doing a porn video with Patreon next week. - Really? - Yeah, I think so. - A porn video for Patreon. - Patreon, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to call that actually, but yeah. - You'll have to follow up on that. Let us know how it goes. Would you watch that if? - I don't, I hope I can avoid it. But they, I think they paid World Star to post about it, which is how I learned about it. (laughs) 'Cause they put the hashtag ad. I'm like, oh, they're gonna do this. But no, Matthew Golden is like, he does look like Antonio Brown. - Just a little, just a little. - No, you said it and I was like, exactly like, and I'm like, he's 780 yards in eight games. - I don't think he moves quite the same way with the ball in his hands. I don't think his yards after they catch is like Antonio Brown, who was like, had more of like an electric kick returner energy to him when he had the ball. - The reason it intrigued me was Antonio? - Just. (laughs) - But Antonio Brown was in Antonio Brown either till like, 2013. - Yeah, I did take it around, I don't know. - Yeah. I'm just saying, I'm not saying he's Antonia, but like movement, I hope he kind of reminds me a little bit of it. Yes. He is like improved by leaps and bounds and half a season. Okay. Anything else on Patriots Packers? Yeah. Packers the winner of Patriots the loser. Yeah. I do think that's right on the day. Next year, I think we have to get the problem of the day. The Cincinnati Bengals were problem today. Jamar Chase. They got a problem. He hit in a problem. Joe Burrow or problem. Yeah. Okay. So the Bengals beat the Falcons 34-17. I'm here on East Coast time and I just kind of like naturally woke up at like six or something. Did you enjoy that experience? When you lived in LA, were we doing it? How many international games were there every year? That's a good question. Way less. Maybe one or two? Yeah. Now I feel like it's what? 10. Yeah. Like, no. Did you enjoy the experience of having a 6.30 a.m. game? Yeah. I talked to him last night and he was like, wait, what time do the games start tomorrow? 6.30? What the fuck? I don't know, but I woke up. I'm like, I'm just going to stand the same body clock and just get it in and out. I was like, I'm just going to show up right before. It's kind of nice. If you just, it's kind of nice to wake up and be like, oh, we're like halfway through a game right now. Let me check it. It was nice. I actually went to the gym and I, so what I did is I played the YouTube TV on my phone. It was in the gym, air pod, but they had the game on the TV with no audio, but I synced my audio on my phone. Oh, wow. So I was like watching that TV in the gym with the, so it's actually really nice. That's nice. Yeah. I think in a fast track, there are in the Real Madrid stadium in Spain and generally speaking, I think these, the really, really, really nice soccer pitches seem to like be fast tracks for offense. So I get that. However, I think the first half of Bangle's Falcons was the best receiver play I've seen in years. Like the third drive of the Bangle's game, Jamar Chase, the Higgins was the best drive I've seen two receivers have. It was like to just use the painful warriors things over and over. It was like a, the classic Steph Klee game. It was, like, did Jamar, it was, Jamar Chase had the most yards he's ever had in the first half in the, with like eight minutes left in the first half. Like they're at the 40 yard line of a Bangle's drive and they're like, he has 140 yards or whatever. And like he's never even had that. And then the next play would be like a third, 14 and he's like at a 45 degree angle, finger tips, catching the ball, tippy toes on the sideline on third and nine. He had a one handed catch on a third and 14. He had another one that was so bad, the Falcons actually challenged it and lost. T Higgins is out here in 30 yards, but he has two touchdowns that are incredible. And every time T Higgins catches a football on it, like at high point, I'm like, why can no other receiver do this in NFL? And I just, I don't know. I was watching it. And I was like, I, you could convince me that the best three receivers in the NFL, or this four are Justin Jefferson, JSN, Chase, and Higgins, like you could convince me that they're both at the top four. They compliment each other very well, much like Steph and Clay. They have different styles that both work out very nicely. But I would also say, also like Steph and Clay, I feel like T Higgins and Jamar Chase are very happy for one another when they succeed. And there's no, like Tiva energy, like when CDLAM has a good game, I think Pickins is like, T Higgins and Jamar Chase genuinely are happy for one another, even if one doesn't have a good game in the other, doesn't they win the game? Pickins is doing the thing of like, please Lord, I see what you could do for others. I want some of that for myself. And like, no, you're totally right, because like they're legit friends. It's not. I mean, again, T Higgins stayed because he hired Jamar Chase as agent and they got him paid and they all got to, and they all got to stay. I think the, I wrote down a list of things. I think Jamar Chase made six cat. I won't go through all of them. I think he made six catches today that all should have been top five for the day if you had just made one of them. But he even had to play clearly the Falcons thought AG Terrell, who was a former I think forced team all pro cornerback, they thought AG Terrell could guard Jamar Chase. Holy shit. He cannot. The first drive, they throw this touchdown to Jamar Chase, Joe Borough Chase, obviously played together at LSU that they, Jamar Chase scored on AG Terrell when AG Terrell is at Clemson in the national championship game. They scored it. It was like the same play and they just, it was almost like wave, it was like a big dick move to like, hey, remember the time you lost the national championship. We're going to start with that on you. The audacity that you think you've gotten good enough to guard him now, it was like that the whole day. There was even a play where it's Borough got sacked and I can't remember play exactly like this, where Jamar Chase saved the sack because he beat AG Terrell so quickly that AG Terrell had to do a defensive, I've never seen a defensive holding not near the goal line faster, where he beat him so fast that he's getting his jersey down that it actually undid Joe Borough getting sacked. And I don't, I just, I couldn't, I basically, I don't know if I've ever seen a receiver duo better. Like there's Randy Moss and Chris Carter, there's Enquan Bolden, Larry Fitzgerald, I think Chase and Higgins are just as good as those guys. I don't want to say better, but I, I don't know if there's a receiver duo in NFL history. That's like definitively better. Obviously, there's, I mean, they made it super well. They didn't win one, but I, I don't know, I, I couldn't, I couldn't speak higher of these guys. The bangles to me are, you know how people say fantasy and biode like derogatory fantasy brain. And we, we recognize like Craig and I were talking about this today, basically the fantasy brain is so like such poison when you see anything happen in a game like, oh, fuck, that means that I'm not. The bear's got to pick six. It's like, oh, they're less likely to throw it to burden now. Right. It is, it is an actual, it's an affliction. Of course. I feel like the bangles are the type, they are the team, some fantasy and bio guy would design, right? Absolutely. Like, let me get the two best receivers in the NFL. A quarterback who just shit wants to sit in shotgun and fucking throw it, just jerking off in the corner. I was like, one of the cut, that's what, that's what the fantasy people want. I guess they are. The cook. We're still thinking about the Antonio Brown porn. I mean, I don't know if he's going to be the co-order. Oh, but yeah, it's like, they're built in a lab for, I think it's wrote down dingers in those things. You guys want to see, you guys want to see us establish the run and get ball and, and be balanced and, and run the football and, you know, establish dominance over our opponents or just hit someone, just go out there and sock some dingers. Dingers. Stingers. You out there and sock some dingers. This is the bangles offense. Do you feel like though, if maybe burrow Higgins and Chase right now are kind of better than they've ever been, do you feel any differently about the bangles trajectory this year? Do you think like any, it's any different? A little only because I, I think it's, the bangles defensive line still underrated. I think they got, the bangles got what they paid for. Everywhere they've paid, all those guys are great. Like the Dexter Lawrence thing, I know he keep talking about it, but they kind of dominated the Falcons offensive line in this game, the score. It was close kind of like, not really the 17 points, probably deceiving by the score. I thought the bangles defensive line was fantastic in this game and really put it, I mean, Michael Panic's under pressure, I think, had one of the worst passive ratings or whatever under pressure. He's terrible today under pressure. The bangles are on the edge of the playoff thing. I don't think you want to see them because it's one thing when they're, like, just the high flying offense, but a good defensive line combined with it. It's a fun set. To me, they feel more balanced. I mean, this team went to the Super Bowl four years ago and with the same type of equation, right? You're saying they're more balanced because of the defense. Well, I think they're defensive line. They're defensive line. It can take over again. It's a little bit better, Marish Mims has been awesome this year. Ironically, then also it's just, it is as simple as this. They're healthy right now. They can stay healthy. I think they can play with anybody. Yeah. Because they've had multiple, like, along the ways, like, burrows had multiple injuries. Yeah. A lot of times, T Higgins and Chase and Chase are not on the field at the same time. So when those, those three are out there, T Higgins is just going over guys like I, were you guys ever a camp counselor? Did you ever have to, like, sometimes you just catch the ball. That was a slow driver at a camp on the kids camp. A boat driver? Yeah. It was a watersky camp. It was fun. Did you, you have a boat license still? No. That's cool. That feels like an 80s movie. It was. It was like, how do American summers? Yeah. Was it on a lake? You know, like American summer, they like, lose the kid and just leave him out there. Did you also, did you go into town and get addicted to heroin? Yeah. It's great when we can just get away. Even if it's just for an hour. Yeah. Craig, what's your problem today? I think CJ Stroud is kind of becoming a problem. I have to say, it's Stroud. They kicked a shit out of the chargers today, Stroud at 380 yards passing five touchdowns a pick. He was the number two quarterback in fantasy on the day, quietly the number five quarterback in fantasy on the season. Number five. Yeah. I feel like we have not really mentioned Stroud's name once in the, in, like, the fantasy regard. Yeah. He's putting up 20 points per game, which is a lot of you, 16 touchdowns and two picks on the season. I mean, he's on pace for like 35 touchdowns and four interceptions. He is playing really well. I feel like he's playing with great touch. Like his arm looks great. It looks like he's throwing darts out there. Super accurate. And they get a lot of wider receivers. They have a lot of stuff to work with. He had a big touchdown today. Yes. He had over a hundred yards, booty it over a hundred yards. Two touchdowns. You go, Collins had one of the best plays of the day. His touchdown in the corner. The end zone was sweet. They can't run the ball still, but Xavier Hutchinson scored a touchdown on a really nice throw. They, they're three and five, but I, I think, maybe outside of the Vikings, I think their record is not representative of how good I think they can be. They're next, they're next five games, so they're three and five. They're next five games. The Browns, the Colts, the Ravens without Lamar, Pittsburgh and Washington. I'm like, they could win all five of those games and be eight and five and firmly in the playoff race. And I kind of think they will make the playoffs. It's weird that the Texans started last year, oh and three and then made the playoffs. So the Texans really, really might start to share on for me. He keeps doing it. Yeah. Craig, when I was looking up all the stats for Jordan Love, the guy who's right next to him on at least ariards. for attempt completions of 20 plus yards, it's CJ Stroud and Jordan Lauer, the two top guys in the NFL. - This looks like the linear progression off of his rookie season. - And he's fantastic. - And if the Stroud that we're seeing this year was on the Texans defense of last year, they would be the best team in the NFL. - Yes, yeah, I think that's fair to say. If he played like this last year, they probably might have made the Super Bowl. - I would think so. - Probably made the Broncos and the Patriots. I think the thing that Stroud is, which is back now, maybe 'cause he children, the podcasting, which as we all know is really bad. - You're not doing podcasts anymore? - I think the sunset is that up. - I'm thinking about giving this up to play. - Why do you think Michael Parsons didn't give it up? Why do you think his ACL recovery is so slow? - Yeah. Amon Ra is the only guy who's really been able to kind of break that trend. - Yeah, unless you can speak fluent German to a crowd of 80,000 people, it doesn't really work. - Although he is kind of like openly talking shit about Jared Goffs, who Jared Goffs face. - He's like great for a man. - I know, he's fine, I guess. But Goff is definitely annoyed, but yeah. - He's intimidated. - Yeah. - He's like, yeah, Jared will just like go to Florida and play Goff. Jared's like, what? - He's like, you never invited me. He's like, did you just start playing golf? He's like, so, I'd love to be invited. - He's like, all right, sorry. - How do you think he gets the ball so much? - Yeah, I guess so. Stroud, I love what Stroud has back, I think, is, I mean, this goes back to his rookie or goes back to like even that Georgia game. I know Ohio State, like the ability to navigate the pocket. Kind of like Brock Pertey, the ability to navigate the pocket, get around, if he's not a great, I mean, I don't know if a quarterback, he's not like an elite athlete. - But he can move. - Navigating the pocket, keeping his eyes down field and he has touch. And it's not like a home's Caleb Williams there in Roger's ability to like, torque or whatever in different direction. But he just, he can put a lot of loss in the ball, really quickly. - He whips it. - Yes. - He can do levels of-- - One throw, a two throw, and a three throw, whatever the fuck he says. Stroud has that. - Yeah. - Really well, 'cause he can layer it over people really well. But he also just, he can just put a lot of zip on the ball with very little effort. - He's very good at throwing while stepping up in the pocket. - I feel like he has a lot of like runs forward. - He can make a throw and it's really nice. - Like, if Shadour Sanders, like can you, it's like Shadour Sanders in reverse. It's like Shadour Sanders in a clean pocket just kind of runs back. - Yeah. - And it's like, then you want a CG strategy. Like, oh, Stroud actually, wow, look at that. - Moving forward. - Totally. - 35 fantasy points today. - I mean, his touchdowns to the throw to Dell was, you can't-- - You can't, Dell be more-- - He can't make it more perfect throw. - One of the nicest stories of the year is that Dell coming back in a hundred yards. It's probably how bad the chargers are, but like, I think every word's your time, Dell. - I know. So I feel like now to move on to it's so over, we're so back. To stay in this game, Texans defense is kind of so back. - Yeah. - So they won this game 44 to 22, but the 22 is not indicative of the game. It was like garbage time, a couple extra scores there. Dude, they sacked Herbert, a career high, eight times for Herbert, which I'm surprised that it's not higher. I can't believe it hates a career high for Herbert. I feel like he's in sack 12 times in a game. - I feel like I've seen him get four organs liquefied. - Totally, I'm like, eight's the record. That seems crazy. But yeah, it's the most tax for Herbert ever. They forced two turnovers, they had 12 fantasy points, and we talked about this when we were doing Ringer 107, and we were just like, this is the game that the Houston defense is gonna go back to looking like the Houston defense. - We didn't think the chargers would score a touchdown. - No, and they like, again, they basically had one touchdown at Herbert through, which was a slant to Quentin Johnson that he just hooked to the house. But outside of that, dude, once again, like, my lord. - I mean, they had DJO Aguilale in this game with like 10 minutes left. - Yeah, him and Herbert have the same amount of touchdowns in the last month. - It's crazy. - Did you see the video of Charlie Kohler that tied in and the charge was being told that they went 37 drives without a touchdown? And he was like, why'd you tell me that? - 37? I can't be right. - I wish you didn't tell me that. - Which really tells you something about how people's algorithms can be really different. - Yeah, dude. - 'Cause you think he would have learned that. - This was I think the saddest NFL game of the year. This was in LA. It was just an absolute blowout. There was nobody in the stands. They already done a fans in LA. Herbert like broke his finger on his left hand. The harbob pulled him. The game was way out of hand on the fourth quarter, but they pulled him because of the finger. And I mean, it's 0 and 8. - Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. - Herbert, once again, through another interception. He now has an interception in every single game. It's the longest streak to start a season since Peyton Manning threw one in each of the first nine games in 2015. - Dude, when they showed the graphic of Mike, we did not come out of the buy. His realization was I'm gonna go to the booth. I need to be in the booth 'cause I think they were like, "Well, thanks for not firing me. I'll trust you." - Was that a real quote when he was like Herbert and I watched four hours of tape over the buy? Was that a real thing? Is that what he said? It's like four? - He probably meant in one session. I assume it was more than that. - I would hope so. - Unclear. - I think the saddest part for me was, - It's like I got a lot going on. - We're gonna draft the saddest parts of the chart. It's just easy. - That should be a good episode. - Sorry, no, yeah. - McDaniel, the graphic, this wouldn't be my one-on-one, but today's one-on-one was McDaniel, then starting out with him in the booth and they just showed the graphic of he's just trying to read the call into the mic for the headset for the booth and it just says 27 straight drives out of the touchdown. And then they went seven more drives out of the touchdown. - Yeah. Craig is legitimately fascinated by the chart. - Oh, it must watch. - They're must watch. - Craig. - It's like watching some crazy experiment or something. - Well, it's like, it is the definition of insanity. They just keep trotting out the same shit and doing the same stuff. - Well, Jim Marba, he's never lost like this, except when he was the charges quarterback. - That's right. - When they went, like, going, like. - Lad Mcconkey made it like two snaps before he got. - Oh my God. - Oh, can I, all right. - Poor lad. - Are we doing intrusive thoughts now? - Our poor lad, should I save it? - You can sneak the charges one in if you want. Is it about lad? - I don't think we should rank lad Mcconkey next year. - I think this is too much. - I think we should have a tattoo. - No, you think this is-- - He's super hurt. Always. He hears no word. You're gonna rank lad Mcconkey. - Always. - Here's what's gonna happen. You're gonna draft lad Mcconkey next year. You're gonna be like, "Oh, I got a great value." Because one of my charges. And then guess what? - This guy's gonna get her-- - He's gonna get her brown this year. - He's gonna get her, and at least AJ Brown gets one big injury and these out for a lot. Lad Mcconkey picks up a new injury every fucking game. It's his foot. It's his ribs. It's a concussion. It's his arm. It's his head. It is always something. It goes back to college. Like, the giant showed their board on hard knocks 'cause they're fucking idiots. And lad Mcconkey was one of the guys with the medical flag. Like, he was like that in college. He's like, "There's rookie year. I love lad. If he was fully healthy, he'd be one of my favorite players." I honestly, emotionally, I'm done with him. He is always, he thinks seven staffs stay quiet. He couldn't get seven snaps today, could he? He's always going to pick up injuries. And I'm like, "You're going to draft him next year." And then you can't, you know what? You can't cut him 'cause you feel like an idiot. Yeah, of course. You can't play him 'cause then he doesn't get any fucking snaps. So he's just there. And he's just like a monument to your stupidity. And I don't want him on my team next year. So I'm not gonna fucking rank him. He's kind of like, he's on that waddle mode. For me, that waddle. He's kind of like, "I'm sure you're a good player. I don't want to be a part of this." I know, every week I'm like, "Man, burn book." I feel like, and I just, I always pick a charger. I'm like, "Oh, no, we did the whole team." That we saved a lot of time. Because there have been like three different games this year where you just started him and he like didn't play. Look, like week four he had two targets, got hurt. Yeah. Remember the game where he like dressed didn't play? Yeah. Because they had too many people. Today, play two snaps has nothing. Three games ago, he had one catch for 17 years. He was announced, and then they had him active. Like, I'm done with this man. It is crazy. I mean, there's probably been three separate occasions where you were like, "Oh, I guess lads playing." And he got you zero. So I can't, I am not emotionally going to expose myself to that anymore. DK, who else is so back? We're so back with Camp Walker. So I feel like there was a two game stretch there where we started to get a little worried. The Jets can fix anything. It's like the charger's fixing the Texans defense. We're so back. Camp Walker are three touchdowns today. 150 yards from scrimmage, basically, and 34 points. So just wanted to shout him out. Everything's fine now. We're good, we're back. Don't have to worry about him. This was his best fantasy game of the season. Yeah, he's only slightly behind Jemir Gibbs now. He has, he's actually nine total points behind Gibbs. Gibbs is averaging 24 points per game. Walker is essentially 23. I did. So it's been an incredible season for Camp Walker. He's had six games this year with more than 20 points. Yeah. I mean, I mean, the pivot point in most drafts was if you took Camp Walker over a Marin Hampton or Chase Brown or Jenty. 100%. It's just like that. Just if you have, if you, I think I wrote this down the other day. If you took either chargers or I for who is the other team that just really, oh, eagles. If you took either chargers or eagles, yeah, it's over in the first like five rounds in your draft, like you're probably in eighth place or worse. Yep. Yep. My homely guy drafted Justin Herbert sake one, and I'm like three and five. How can I? I'm impressive. I'm three and five. And which is by the way, I mean, we, I think even if you look at just the odds going into the season, these were supposed to be good teams. Yes. We keep saying this. But like what the chargers are doing is legit. It's not just like, oh, the Browns, they didn't win a game this year. It's like this team was supposed to their over under was 10 and a half games, 10 and a half wins. It's the worst. It's the worst team relative to expectations. It may be a life time built. We asked Bill that today. He was like the eagles dream team. And I'm like, but they didn't start all night. So enough of the fucking charges team. It's so over four. I think it's so over. We're so back. It's I think it just players that got hurt today. The most it this today was in years. I can't remember a game or a day where there were so many players like, fuck, he might be out for the season too. Oh, back in the game. It's like two plays later. There was Pukut and Kua, like almost at the A C Major, Casey Concepts, he only looked out for the game and then score to 60. or a touchdown. - He was limping into the blue tent. - A car thing. - He was like two guys had to help him. - He could barely put the pressure on his leg. - And then after the game, he was just smiling. The number one though. Patrick Mahomes, this felt like it would be the story of the day. - Oh, it looked like his season was over. - He's on my elbow. - It looked like you ever like get served a chicken wing, like the full wings intact, and you just have to like kind of break the hunger with your two hands. His arm got bent at shoulder and elbow in a way. And he's grabbing his, we couldn't, we're like trying, it's like-- - Holding his upper forearm kind of-- - Like did he break his forearm? Did he dislocate his shoulder? Like what happened? - I thought his elbow was bad. - And then I thought he broke his elbow or something. - And then he's like throwing on the side thing. We're like, what's going on? - No, we were literally like, oh wow, like thinking about the long term implications. - Well, Justin feels like guys, and then DK is like, he's throwing on the side line. - He's back. - What the hell? - Did not miss a play. - No. And he's just back, and also looked fine. It was like his funny bone guy. He was running and like lowering his shoulder immediately. And DK was like, I don't know if he's hurt. I think that just really hurt. - Yeah. - He just bangs it real bad. - I think, what's the movie version of this? - What? - A giant funny bone. - I think Bill was like, oh, that's Jason. He's just immediately back. Like you get killed, he's like, he's fucking back. What is he doing here? - Michael Myers is sitting up and like, okay. Right now, I think actually that's what he said. Michael Myers. It was just like, man. It was, I actually can't remember the last time I was saying, I mean, honestly, the last comp is probably when he dislocated his fucking kneecap. And then they were like, oh, he'll never walk again. And then he came back to explain it on the Super Bowl. - Speaking of that. Oh wait, first of all, let's mention JJ McCarthy. - Oh my God. - That was an interesting series of events. He, yeah. There was a point on, they captured this on the sideline. - This was a remarkable clip. - I guess, I've watched it a hundred times. - He literally went to like, go just practice throwing. He got lit up. He got hit in the ribs. I don't even got the shit kicked out of him. - He got like, speared in the ribs. - While he got hit in the pocket harder than darts I ever got hit today, like four times. Like, he got hit in the, you know, that scene in dodgeball where Justin Long keeps gonna hit in the fucking face every time with the wrenches? - Yeah, the wrenches. - Yeah, that was McCarthy in the pocket today. Just like trying to Toni Roma roll left guy there, boom. Just like, he just, every, he got hit in ways of it. - Blindsided. - Blindsided in ways of never seen a quarterback get hit in the pocket. Then he got speared in the internal organs and I'm like, he's spleen exploded, he's dead. - The clip of him trying to throw in the sideline and then he winces it in, and it's screamed. - Collapses to the ground. - No, it's not a win. - Do you like screams? - He's like, if that was in a movie, the director would be like, "Whoa, that's, that's, you know what we're doing?" - He's like, he's trying to throw it in. - He can't hurt that man. - Ah! - Like, okay. - It was like, he looked at it. - He's like, ah! - He went down. - Holy shit, it was like the well-held scream. - Wait, I have to see people do that. - I have it right here. - It's like melodramatic. I couldn't believe it. - Why is it black? - I have no idea what I did to this video. Why is it this color? - How'd you do that? - I fucking, I don't, I just hate play. - I hit the picture and pitch others. - He does, like, he looks like a shot. - He jumps down to one knee. - He looks like a shot. - I'm like, all right, hot, JJ, we can add too much. Take it down to three levels. - He actually looks like he got sniped. And then, so anyway, I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh my God, like, JJ McCarthy, like, first of all, they play Washington Thursday football. It's like I'm gonna play. I'm like, are you talking dark? Look good, out for the season. And I'm like, McCarthy's gonna be out for the season. And I'm like, thinking about this on my head, and I look up, he's back in the game. And I'm like, the kid's back on the escalator again. What is he doing? I, and he actually back in, kind of played okay. And I just, I don't, I, we always joke that sometimes the worst, it looks the, they're fine. - I mean, I'm not making fun of him 'cause he didn't get hit hard. - Totally, I'm sure it was the worst thing we ever recorded from this. - Yeah. - Dude, one more time. Look, he just looks like he got, I hit the player, there we go. - He literally dropped to a knee. - He's squeezed. And then the other one, I guess it's like, - It's like, it's buckle worse than the Caleb hamstring thing. - Oh yeah. (laughing) - He like, legitimately buckle, but it probably did hurt. Look, of course it hurt, yeah, it probably did. I think it hurt really fucking bad. - Probably the worst pain he's ever felt. - And he tore his meniscus, and that was probably worse. - Yeah, and I just, yeah, so there was a lot of, oh my God, so over. - So a lot of these guys are all over. - We're glad they're back. - So for Puka, who might actually be hurt. - For Rams. - But Hyphids, you brought up the QB sneak thing for the homes. How they just refused to do, or whatever. When it was like 2019? - When they won the Super Bowl. - Yeah, he just looked at his kneecap on a sneak against the Broncos. And they didn't sneak again with him for like seven years. - Yeah, until today, when they took him out, and then Justin Fields came in to do a sneak. - I mean, it's so over for the Chiefs and the idea that they'll ever do another QB sneak. I mean, they installed a quarterback sneak into their offense this week with Justin Fields. They brought him out there. He immediately fumbles the snap, and they didn't get the yards to gain anyway, and then he fumbled it. And Andy Reid was like, at first when I saw the quote, I thought he was being really indignant about it, but he was kind of just like snarky with the media. He's like, he said, you guys asked for it, we gave it to you. You know what, it didn't work, how that feel, you know? And he's just like yelling at the media. But anyways, it was, that was a fun little return to the sneak, but it's over again. They're not doing that ever again. - Oh, the Chiefs. - They're the only team in the NFL that can't run a quarterback sneak. - Here is the problem. I think you're seeing this more and more. Unless you're the Seahawks, who were very intentional about getting AJ Barnett to tie down the quarter of X-N. - Steelers do it. - The Steelers do it. For whatever-- - Who did they do with? - Well, it used to be a Mayward, and now it's Friday with, yeah. - So the thing about the sneak is what you went, and as you see this a lot, especially whenever the Ravens try to give the ball to Derek Henry as a running back, like taking this nap. When a different player calls the cadence, you get a lot of false starts 'cause the tight ends not good at it and the lineman aren't used to it. And I think you saw the lot with Derek Henry on the Thursday and football game. So you have the combo of, they're not used to taking the snap as a tight end and the cadence is different. So you actually end up getting fumbles and flags and they're like, what the fuck? This is useless. But I still don't get how you can't just fix that. Just practice it. - No, just practice it. - Also, they're back to practice. - Why don't you use Justin Fields? Why can he get good at it? - So Mitch was sure to, again, was the right tackle for the Chiefs, and I love when it criticized his team. He actually kind of thinks that Creed Humphrey, the center being a lefty, probably throws the quarterbacks off when they've never practiced with him. Which is kind of one of those-- I'm like, you have a quarterback who is perfectly equipped to do that in Justin Fields and he's like, you know, a quarterback and those cadences and the team should theoretically be more comfortable with that. And then like, no, a gray doing it. I'm like, why can't it work with Justin Fields? - Oh my god, I'm like, so do it with the backup center and let Justin Fields practice that all day. I just, but the number one thing that bothers me though, is when teams now quarterback sneak, they don't do the push. Like the thing the giants do that works a lot. James comes in and they motion a tight end or patch after a card or whoever and they're motion him and then right at the snap, he's right behind the quarterback and then he shoves them forward. - Yeah. - And Seahawks and their Barneyard thing with DJ Barner. They have two offensive linemen. - Yes. - It stand behind him to a very huge human being. - It works every time. He was on his own, like, twirling around. He couldn't do it. And like, why aren't people pushing you? Like the idea that you would have Baker tonight and Sonya Football do the push push and they don't have any of your tight ends or linemen pushing him is like, do you not watch football? - It's physics, it doesn't make any sense. - What is the answer? Like, well, if you ask the coach, if you ask Todd Bolles, why don't you have somebody push Baker? What is he saying? - I have no fucking idea. - It's crazy. - Because any X's and O's argument you could make about-- - Catch him by surprise. - To me, there's no X's and O's argument you could make because it works for every other team that tries the guy pushing. It's always more successful. - Because they practice. - Yeah. - Well, yeah, they practice it. Anyway. - Who else is so over for correct? - It's so over for everybody associated with the Eagles. Just the Eagles. Fantasy real life, it's just in a terrible place. You can, you just, you probably already knew that but it really felt like, today I'm like, man, can they try another quarterback Joe Milton? Did not go well. They scored 11 points against the Giants. This is their seventh loss in a row. They're in last place-- - Into a buzzsaw. - That's right. Yeah, our Ville Reese great game. - That's right. - Last place in the NFC East. They're dead last in the NFL in yards per game. 260 the Eagles. Seven snap, Sequan did his thing again. He had about 20 yards in the first quarter and a touchdown. Kind of disappeared after that. But it's like, you can barely play him. - Sequan had 22 y'all rushing yards in the game. - Yeah, and then he had 19 in the first quarter and a touchdown in the first quarter. He does it every week. It's remarkable. - 13 carry versus the first quarter. - Yeah, 22 yards. - Yeah. Devon Desmith has played like four games this year. Goddard has done nothing. McIleman has been like fine/underwhelming, I would say. The season's over. Shout out to my friend Sean who sent me, but the Jeff McLean Philly and Choir had this giant expose and what happened. Jeff Stoutland leaving and everything. But it just felt like, it was like, as Brian Curtis would call it, and now they tell us. But it just was a breakdown of just the whole team. They were gonna have to, this team is coming apart anyway. And they were gonna have to break it apart. Whether or not they had kept Jeff Stoutland. But Nick Seriani, I don't know if he's long for this team. Nick Seriani did his press conference 72 minutes after the game ended, which probably doesn't mean anything to people, but it's usually like 10, like 14 minutes. - He's just in the locker, I guess he's like down. - So he said, no, so he said, he's sitting there. - It just made me go. - You know the Oregon Duck Sports Center commercial with the ducks in the pond. It's like, ah, nobody said that. There were so many players came into his office to talk to him after the game. [BLANK_AUDIO] He couldn't get to the Prescott, which is so bad because all the players need to vent and we talk about trades and all these, like the vibes are horrific, absolutely horrific. Uh, two and seven, they lost to the Giants, by the way, 19 to 11 Giants are five, two and one. I've done one. I mean, they play Washington. What is the one mean? I don't remember. What was the one? Yeah. Well, yeah, what happened? How did that tie? The one. I mean, it's kind of over the NFC's, I will say the Giants, if they can be Washington on Thursday. Dude, the NFC's today. Everybody lost, but the Giants, not bad. Goddamn right. And also, one of the Cowboys won. I'm sorry. They should have lost. They are spiritually lost. They need to pick on the likes of Sauce Gardener with 90 seconds left to win that game. They should have lost to the Colts. But the Washington, we didn't talk about this during the day, even when we spent all day together. Washington's final play, it kind of happened again. The Washington had a chance, not a hell made, not unreasonable. They were the 30 yard line or so. And they had like three seconds and they had to hit a touchdown, which unlikely. But like, 30 yard lines, no hell made, like that, that is a very real chance. And Jayden Daniels has done a lot. And he checks down to Chig. And as it was happening, I was like, okay, they're running a hook and ladder. And then I realized they were not like, Chig broke a tackle. And then he kind of made it up. No, he really knew that he had needed to like, it was like a kickoff return tie play. They had a lateral no timeouts. It happened again, like they have again, no timeouts, three seconds. He just hit Jayden, like between the hash, or Chig between the hash marks at the 25 yard line. And that is now like, is that four games this year where Jayden Daniels has at the end of the game displayed a zero out of 100 in situational awareness. And they asked him out of the game. He said, I execute the play that's called, which to me at this point is enough evidence that maybe Dan Quinn who oversaw the 28 to three is just really fucking bad at this. And just puts all game management on his offensive coordinator, it is insane. It is insane. I know that this could be happening again. It's like, it's like they saw that Ramon Jay play against the Bears. And they're like, wait, maybe we'll just do that. That's actually more likely than a Hail Mary. I just, I know I'm harping on it, but I almost think a smaller version of the same thing is worth like, obviously the tie situations was so bad. And then against the Niners, like a similar situation unfolded. But I almost think that like after that horrible tie situation, having those things happen again, I kind of think that's worse. Like you think they did least once you're embarrassed, you're not evolving. You're not, it's not just that you were embarrassed on that stage. You haven't fixed it since then. You think that all of them would be humiliated to this very deep degree about situational awareness at the end of the game. They are still like, once again, three seconds left game on the line to like, they just threw the game away. Yeah. I just they have all these five seasonal things to just watching them is so frustrating. It just feels like they are very, very poorly coached team. It's also the contrast between what Jane Daniels did as a rookie late in games on four downs and clutch. It's starting to slip away. It's so weird. It does. He looks like a completely different player. It's almost like Cliff Kingsbury was like, is he a quarterback? Is he an actual situational awareness savant? I almost do wonder how much Cliff is just really good at telling like Jen and being like, hey, here's what you have to focus on or whatever, like in the radio, not like play calling with telling him what he needs to know in the moment. Or David blouse, the worst person out of all time, because I think Dan Quinn puts it on his coordinators and vibes. But I'm if I was a Washington fan, I actually think that plays it's it's it's fireworks. It's just tough. It's like, now this is like another lost season for Washington and new coach, maybe a new court. They have to kind of restart again. There's just not many players on the team on the offense, specifically that like you really like trust or that feel like they make a difference. Speaking of it, so over, so back, DK so over, if the playoffs were today, both the Seahawks and the Rams would miss the playoffs wild again. The Packers are in last place in their division. What is the who's in? So if the playoffs were today and mind you, Monday night, football's not been played, the NSE would be the Niners would be the one seed winning the NSE West. The Vikings, depending tomorrow night, would be winning the NSE North. The New York Giants three seed would be winning the NSEs. The Panthers at this moment in time would be winning the NSE South. The Wildcards would be the Bears, Lions and Packers right now. So at this moment of time, has that ever happened? No, certainly not. The NSE, I mean, well, they only had three Wildcards. They've only had seven playoffs. So long. So the all four teams in the division, it's not what you said, it's how you said it. Don't talk to Craig that way. Fair enough. No, it is, it's fascinating, man, because yeah, the NSE is really, it's deep right now with all the things. It's very competent. Yeah. And, I mean, honestly, like, if I look at those teams, I'm like, those teams are better right now than the Rams, or sorry, than the Rams and Seahawks are right now. I wish we could just, if we just could take the all the whole NFC North and the whole NFC West, nobody else. We don't need any East or South. Well, that's what I, the giants are above soft, but right, if the Giants and Steelers play next week, could you think of a win? Steelers. They're better team. What do you think? I think the Steelers probably, I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to piss you off. Not doing that. It's crazy how back the Steelers are, if DK's saying that, it's a, you know, it's a fucking buy. Yeah. It's my fault for bringing it up. The, the, the Giants did win the game. That was one of the most disgusting games I've ever seen on a whole lot of it. Change your record. He was shot in the middle of the game. He got, he got lit up. JFJ. But that was not good football. What's the AMC playoff race? The, well, I would, before the AMC, DK, I want him to actually answer the phone. How does it feel as the Steelers fans, Super Bowl, that you might act like? Yeah, how does that feel good? Or does that feel bad? Yeah. Thank you for asking that. It means a lot to me. Good or bad? It feels bad. Oh, okay. A couple of weeks ago about the concurrent or like the parallel, Quentin, or sorry, Quentin Nelson trades and the Jeffrey Simmons trades. One of those has aged extremely well. Which one? The Bears decided to trade for Jeffrey. So how long is Quentin out? Do we know? I don't know. He's so tough. Four weeks ago. That was something that we didn't really talk about. But I thought they said he, they wanted to avoid it. Undergoing a minor procedure. He's not out there. Oh, he's avoiding it. They specifically said, yes, he's not going to miss. So he could miss one week, two weeks, whatever, but not what you want. So, yeah, since that trade happened, Quentin Nelson mentioned in reserve when they said it, which means that that. Well, I think it's because they like didn't want fans to get pissed. It's like, we just traded for a guy who's now in the IR and they're like, no, no, it's like a simple cleanup procedure. It'll be a couple of weeks max. I swear. Let's not put him on an IR because it would look bad. I honestly kind of think that's why they might that might, but I mean, apart from it. But even it's like, yes, two games then a buy. So it's probably like three weeks, but the point being they made a trade for a guy that either was hurt when they got him, I mean, hurt and they didn't think it get worse. It's like it. Yeah. Yeah. And then, well, each of them did get hit with the ankle, but he also appears to have a knee thing. Well, we knew he had the knee thing. That's my point. Oh, yeah. They traded for a guy who we everyone knew had anything and it's no, and the Rams didn't want him because of the knee thing. Thank God. Because imagine if he was the room, the Rams had injuries. I mean, speaking of the Puka, we don't know if that happened to be the last offensive play of the game, Puka got absolutely crunched on. It was a, was it an end-around or something like that or something, I believe it was like some type of jet sweep. It's yet sweep type deal. Anyway, he got, he hurt his knee. They're saying it's not an ACL injury or they don't think it is, but he's getting an MRI. He could miss time. If he misses time, who else do they have? I'll tell you, they have a Mummfield, Wittington and Tutu out well. They're back. They absolutely have. Wittington and Atwell, they have, the Rams have to make his guys are terrible. They have to make a trade. They actually, they actually will have to, so here's the, Devont Danes is going to be out another month. And then Terence Ferguson, he hurt his, he was just due to come back and then he hurt his hamstring. Well, yeah, his girlfriend kicked him in the chest and he's hurt again. Should we, can we talk about that, dude? So Terence, we have to just, can you set this up? Can you explain? I don't even know. There's a video of Terence Ferguson that crossed my desk of him standing shirtless, he's yatted. Two women's feet are on his chest. One women's feet. Two different feet are on his chest. No, but it's one woman. One woman's two feet are, you said two women's feet, two women's feet. Two women's feet. Two women's feet. You know what I mean? Two women's feet. Two women's feet. It probably works. Of a woman's feet. Both of her feet. Yeah, it's correct. Perfect. You don't see her. It's an up-angle of him and you just see two feet on his chest and she's doing some dumb TikTok quiz game with him and he's answering questions. But it's just him standing like this and it's just two big old feet on his chest. Should we do this? Should we put my big cloppers on your chest that we do? Should we just have that? Yeah, it stops the scroll, put it that way. Yeah. It was a very funny energy. It was almost like, he didn't even know he's being filmed or just like, I don't know. It was like so like lack of daisicle and loose as weird. What? Percent confident are you sure that they were not having sex during the video? Like was there full penetration right now at that point? It made video? Yeah. I don't think so. I'll have to watch it one more time. It reminds me of. It does not appear penetration. Often the space he's having in the neighborhood about lumber, having sex with his girlfriend and lumber, like he's just holding her ankle and like drinking a coffee. Shit, lumber, fucker. I don't know why that line. I just like say it randomly. I will say though, the Rams because, you know, Ferguson and the feet thing, like he's on I guess he's off iron out, but Caleb on chase on. kind of nailed that. The defense event for Washington, who obviously the Rams beat today, he was very upset after the game. All the Washington commanders were, he said afterward of Puke de Cua quote, they threw it to one guy, they ran one play. They just, but like when they don't have that guy and they don't have that play, Rams are fucked and we were talking about this earlier in the day, but I feel like with their play on offense, they actually might have to do that, but the 49ers, I feel like the Kyle Shanahan 49ers for a long time, like the first eight years of Kyle Shanahan's nine years career, the knock on them was they didn't have a dropback passing game, was that when you fall behind, because you know, there's not many 49ers come back, like when you fall behind, Shanahan's offense doesn't have a dropback passing game. And now Brock Purdy has been so good that they do the Rams and Sean McPhair are now the ones that don't have a dropback passing game. Matt Stafford so banged up and they're out of receivers, they ran three tight ends, half of the plays in this game, which I believe they did not run like 20 plays with three tight ends in the previous like eight or years with Sean McPhair until last season. And it's like in one year they've gone from experimenting with three tight ends sets, because Puke de Cua was too injured to go to London, to now literally being unable to play with any receivers and they only have tight ends. They're out of receivers to play on this offense. And I don't they, they, I actually kind of, it's funny because Miles Garrett was great today. And Aaron Donald and him looked like they had a great time, but they're kind of like a defensive oriented team that the is just dragging the offense along, but it's just a really cool famous people in the offense. I mean, if Puke has significantly hurt there in a worse place than the Niners are at wide receiver. I mean, the Niners, I mean, like, it is actually true. And it definitely is. Like Mike Evans will be back soon. Like Devo Samuel, I think we'll be back soon. Dijon Stribling could be back this year. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, if it's Mumpfield, Whittington and Tutu, well, they will have to go get Johan Jennings or Josh Downes or Brian Thomas or, or multiple, I mean, they need legitimate help. They will not be able to make a run. Yeah. I mean, I, I guess if Puke and Devonte are healthy by the end of the year, but I don't know. It's going to be hard to squeeze out wins without Puke or Devonte. Yeah. Lastly, Mal, I just Brett Coleman had this. I had to say it. Next chance, that's Mal's Garrett is now more than half of the way to catching Jared verse on the season in quarterback pressures. He played how many games? Like two, three. Yeah, two. And one, like, he was so hobbled that they put him on IR. Okay. Boys, we've had a lot of fun, but we have to, we have to get serious for a moment. Yeah. It is time for fart or short. Right, TK. Yes. We're going to head to Las Vegas, Sin City, the greatest sin of all Ashton Jennings fantasy performance today. Right. Four fantasy points for Mr. Gentee, 25 yards rushing. He had five catches for negative five yards. Possibly. Right. I could do that. So this week, three, three, four, five, yeah. This week he had, I mean, I could catch five passes three for negative five yards. I think if I had Ben Johnson scheming it up, the action, Jenny, four points this week, eight points last week. They're playing Seattle and Denver the next two weeks is gentie. Farter shark basically means starter set. Right. So would you say fart or short for Mr. Gentee? Is it over? I don't, I think it's a, I don't think it's a shark. I think you can still start him. Really? Because he's still pretty involved in the passing. I know that he didn't have any yards in the passing. But he did have I think seven targets today, which to me is enough that he could at least be like low and flat next game. It's not great. Next game versus Seattle. Yes. Would you know what next week? Would you play Ashton Jennings versus Seattle? Like let's say you're like, I have Tony Pollard on my band, George Ashton Jennings. Oh, that's not even a, I don't think it's a question. Okay. Um, I think next week, maybe it, we could go down a shark for the short term. And then long term, I do think he's still, are you worth it? I think you have to bench, I, you don't have to bench, but I, I would probably, I would probably bench him against Seattle, though. Yeah. And Denver. Also, by the way, Mike, Mike Washington didn't even less than him today. He had like negative yards. The race is run game is bad. I think Mike, but Mike Washington had negative points today in fantasy. He did. I was Linda Bob's not playing like he makes $28 million. So I guess, yeah, I would, I would bench him next week against Seattle. I don't think he's bench bull the whole season. I do think he's going to be involved in the past game enough that he will be useful going forward. But do you think he is one of the top? It's obviously a massive, massive bus based on where he was taking. Currently, Ian Hart, it's posted this today. Ash and Gentied minus five receiving arts and five catches today. The fewest receiving yards by running back in any game during the Super Bowl era. Really? Five who had five, if you had five catches, literally, every, but every running back in the entire Super Bowl ever, who's ever had five catches, had more than negative five yards. So it's the worst performance ever for a guy with five catches. Do you think he's, he will be the most obvious and glaring by law next year? If I may assume they fixed the line, but that's an assumption. I continue to invest in the line and like he has like nine foot injuries. Yes, because I think Kubiak knows how to improve an offensive line. Like when other, like I think when the Texans try to improve their offensive line, they're fucking bullshitting and they're just kind of faking their way and just throwing shit at the open. When Ben Johnson rebuilt the Bears line, Ben, you're trusting the person doing it. And when he gets Jonah Jackson from the Rams and he gets Joe Tsuni and they, you know, and they like, you just kind of got to trust that. Uh huh. You drew down it. I think that like other guys assemble a crew and you're like, what was this guy? Also, it'll be year two. It's like, you know, you got to let this stuff, this stuff takes time. So you're saying, you're saying largely fart. Yes. Because of how much involved in the past. My last week, he had a 45 yard play in the past game. Can I ask you a question following up on this? Because I have a gut feel here. How many league, how many fitness leagues do you have? 20 something. How many of them do you have? Ashen Gentian? Probably three or four. I can tell because if you had them in more than like, no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying that's like, I can tell. Yeah, I can tell. You're basically a fraud. Well, you're saying that's like you're not qualified to have this conversation. So, well, what is what is what is the, what's your point? You're not angry enough. You're not emotionally invested. Because I have them on several teams. Three or four is not several everyone. Three or four is not one of my teams to get mad. Yeah. Three or four is not several. Okay. Well, the fucker said three is several. I feel like I feel like I've it's really thought you had me there. Three or four is several. No, it's not. You think three is a few. Okay. Three or four, I think you, I think several. You think a few is several. I think three or four is, you said several. And then how many weeks ago, how many weeks ago was this three weeks ago or two weeks ago? That's a legitimate question. I still stand by that was week seven, two weeks ago or three weeks ago. How many dogs do you have? I have several. And then you end up having four. That's fine. I, I several dogs. How many four? But it, all right. But if it was three, I rest my case. You're off. I think four is, I, several, the first four letters of several are like seven. It's one letter off from seven. I think several is seven ish and four is not seven ish. Um, isn't there an actual, isn't that so it's like a couple is obviously two, a few is three. Is that like a few is three, a few is three, but also then yeah, not officially though. Well, a few, if you say several and kind of vague, what do you think several is? And what do you think a few is? I think several and a few are pretty much synonymous. No. If I said, I had a few drinks, I had several drinks. Yeah. Well, it was the difference. They're different words. I think a few drinks is like two or three. I had several drinks is like four or five. If I, yeah, maybe maybe two to three versus three to four. It's not a very significant. If you had, if you had three beers and I said, Dick had several, a few small beers. Yeah. Would you be like that's accurate? Wait, what? If, if, if you had three beers, I'm like, do you get several beers last night? Would you be like, yeah? Yeah. I think I need to see you at four. I think I need four for several, but he did say three to four. It's right on the border. I had several beers, three to four. Anyway, I think having Ash and Gentian three or four teams is enough to be emotionally invested in Ash and Gentian's performances on a week by week basis. I pretty much lost because of him this week. So can we get to the real Farter Shark? Oh, that wasn't the real one. Well, I mean, I think we have to get a Supreme Farter Shark. This is like, this is the Farter Shark of the season. Okay. Reshawn Gary had an actual Farter Shark today. A real one, this poor man. So Reshawn Gary, how did they find this? How did who was the Zapruder? Let's just reshawn Gary and ask. Reshawn Gary had a Cowboys defensive deposit and hence and hence and he had a really difficult moment today where he ended up too bad that his legs were so spread. These legs were so spread on a fumble. And we just saw it all as a whole Gucci as we would say as Dickie would say the whole show the whole taint. We see the whole thing. And as you can see here, it's just like the color is kind of interesting. I think it's been there for a minute. It leans yellow. It's borderline yellow. That would be the hottest take is actually pissed himself. No, but he should himself. He needs to be hydrate. He's my, if that's, if that's your, here's my question. Well, we have multiple day. First of all, is this a shark or is this a shark or what? A fart? It's not a fart. - All right, so we said to establish it for the record. Here's my question, okay, I've got you there. - No one, I don't think anyone would have noticed this. If he had done it accidentally ended up with his little legs asked out showing Gucci to the camera. So my question is, how long do you think he played with this shit stain? - The whole game. - Do you think the placement of the stain makes you think, like I feel like it's like a little too low for it to be a shit stain? - Don't you think it'd be a little too much? - Those balls are there and that's his butthole. - It's like directly under, it's like where his balls are. I'm like, that's not really worth it. - If it was a shirt, don't you think it'd be a little bit? - No, yeah, look, I'll play a little more. Look, cheek, cheek, cold. What are you talking about? It's perfect. - I don't know. - I think it's a little low. - Exactly, you're right. - Look, look, look, look. - No, those legs are split. Look, it's a gravity work. That's where the shit collects. - But it sure is like a splat. - The direction that it went based on the underwear he's wearing. - But you gotta remember that he's like, it's up and out. - Or is he wearing underwear? Maybe not. - No, well, they might not be. That's a good point. But it's all, you gotta remember, it's like, well, I'm making a tackle. They're physically exerting. Like, it's like, you know, I'm not even trying to make fun of him too much because it's like, I mean, do you know what I'm saying? - Yeah, totally. We just had his thing on the screen for a few minutes. - I'm just saying balls, asshole right there. - Yeah. - Well, you know, this is important, yeah. I'm just saying, here's where I'm going. Here's where I'm going with this. - Yeah, see, now does that look a little more like a-- - Yeah, maybe. (laughing) - Looks like that. - I turned it nice and crazy, no crazy. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah, I see it. - That's where everything fits. Okay. - So now that it's close enough. - Clearly a shit state. So here's my question. He clearly, I think would have gotten away with this if not for his good flying across the lens. Here's my question. - Do you think this happens in every single game, guys? - I was going to say this, I think, yeah. This probably happens once every two weeks. - I think someone's shissing NFL. - Again, in hundreds and hundreds of players playing every week, I think someone shits themselves at least once a week, maybe in every game, because you know what? They're colliding all the time. You know what game of thrones? They were like, "Met you, Bronn." It's like, "Men ship themselves and they die." They didn't teach you that in fancy pet school. It's like they're just fucking colliding as hard as possible. I'm talking. People probably ship themselves constantly. - Sure. - Constantly. - Constantly. - It's all the time. - It's just pure constant shitting. - Yeah, anyway. - Yeah. So I felt, this is like your worst nightmare. The Twitter was just fucking freaky out of us. - Do you think he knew about it? - It's like, don't log on, buddy. - So yeah, when you turn it 90 degrees, it's completely different. - It really is. - It changes the whole world. - It's like, wow, it's like a whole perception. - But do you think, like in his mind, he just had like a big fart and he thought nothing of it? Or do you think he was like, oh, I do, you think so. - But what are you gonna do? Leave, like you just roll with it. - Yeah. - You gotta play. - Maybe like a half time pants change? - Yeah. - Yeah, I don't know when this play was. Yeah, maybe you change it half, then. - I don't play right? - Well, you just have to go to the bathroom. You know, you probably did have to go to the bathroom 'cause you got, probably have to finish it. (laughs) Okay. - All right. - Well, he's like, that's the line. - That's the line. - Finish it. - Is this such like a middle school thing? I feel like. - Yeah. - Not like everyone's staining in a circle and pointing at him figuratively. - Just the odds of like his legs flying in the air so the camera sees right down Broadway, yeah. - Look, if you think that was a sophomore discussion beneath us, I'm like, imagine a player shitting himself during a game and talking about something else. - Yeah. - I feel like on the scale of shitting yourself, that's not that bad. - It's also quite the metaphor for the Cowboys, where they, I mean, they literally were losing to the cults with like three minutes left in the sky. They were trying to lose and also trading on their lose. - I thought they were gonna lose. - They were up 17 to 17 and you're like, "Oh yeah, okay, Cowboys are gonna win." And then they just like never went away and they couldn't pull away. Cowboys just have no juice. - No juice. - Jerry Jones, older than Joe Biden. - I dig wells. - What was he talking about? - He said, he was, you know, he's mad. Well, Tom Pelsauer here at the ringer said, on Bill's show last week, that Jerry doesn't spend on coaches, which is true. And like, there's a lot of weird things. He made, you know, the Cowboys, the only team in the NFL that like coaches play out their contract year, 'cause they don't like, which is not a thing, because you can let players play out a contract year, but if the players know the coaches in a contract year, they're not gonna listen to the fucking coach. So even the bangles, like only the Cowboys do that, 'cause they don't wanna pay people to not work. But like, they cut my car with these staff. Like basically, Jerry will spend all this stuff, but he doesn't pay the coaches, which is ironic, 'cause there's no salary cap there, so there's an actual advantage. And then I think people ask Jerry about that. And then Jerry was like, I have never wanted anything in my life where money was an obstacle I didn't do, and then he just started, and then I ever kept asking, and I was like, I have not a real wills going right now that cost more than fucking grind shot, I don't know. He's fucking crazy. I love these. He's like, and then the app, every once in a while, growing up in Arkansas, my dad told me every once in a blue moon, the owls will start fucking the chickens, which is a real fucking thing he said at an owner's meeting to move the Rams to Los Angeles. He fucking said that. Why? Or actually no, maybe this might have been the capital. - What's the correlation there? - No one knows. - Oh really? - No, he was like, in an owner's meeting, and he just said, my like, Papi told me once that every once in a blue moon, the owls would fuck the chickens. He said that to the other 30 owners in the NFL. And they were like, what the fuck are you talking about? And then he got whatever he wanted. Okay, that's crazy. All right, intrusive thoughts. - You want me to go? Who's going? - Yeah, you go. - I feel like people are gonna be upset because I'm a Steelers fan by saying this. And I don't look. - It happens every week, it's fine. - I know, it's an intrusive thought. Watching the Rams today and watching Stafford, who I thought from, they won the game, but he struggled and he had a bet. A couple pretty bad throws. And he's clearly hurt and he looks old. And it doesn't look like last year's Matt Stafford. I think right now you could make the case that Aaron Rogers is better than Matt Stafford or is playing better than Matt Stafford. Or looks better than Matt Stafford. He has less pepper. Like Aaron Rogers has more pep than it's that. - Aaron Rogers I think is way more mobile. You know, maybe, I mean, I still think Aaron Rogers arm is great. Maybe you could say Stafford is better. I mean, Stafford is a more like dynamic thrower right now still probably. But Rogers like, I don't know. I feel like if they were just silhouettes and you didn't couldn't see them and you had to say who's younger, you would say Rogers. - I think that this is such a good take that it was like a much hotter take a month ago, but then the Steelers offense has improved. And again, the Rams went six drives without a first down versus the Chargers last week. And the Rams really struggled to put Washington away. Like I almost think you missed your window for this to be out there. You're saying right now who's playing better? Yeah, Rogers, if you were like right now who looks like they'll retire next year? - Yeah. - It looks like it would be Stafford. - Rogers is four years older coming in. - Yeah, if you say that. - Rogers is four years older. I was in Achilles injury. Even if you look statistically, it's like not that. - Rogers has a better touchdown interception ratio this year than Stafford. Stafford's got nine picks on the year. The yardage is similar. - He's throwing a conata-mump field. - That's very fair. - But he's also beat a shit. - Like Rogers is throwing a tee against a Jemar Chase. But yeah. - Stafford, no, but Stafford looks like again, someone who two years ago looked like the Rams were so, thought he was so injured that they were gonna trade him away. Didn't wanna give him a contract extension. He bullied them to doing it. Miraculous made it through season. And they were so worried they drafted a fucking quarterback in the first round. Rogers can roll out and uncork a 60 yard ball on the move. I'm like, I don't think Stafford can really do that. - Right. No, I think you're right. - Anyway. - It is what, when you say it, and I'm just looking at their two stats right now, their stats for the season. And I'm like, if you squint, it's close. Stafford probably has Rogers and the most stats right now on the season. But also, Stafford was the MVP last year. - If you look per game, Rogers was thinking about maybe retiring. And he just decided to come back here. - People thought he was like borderline not a starting quarterback, like five weeks ago. - There are numbers are close enough that this isn't actually that wild of a take. - Yeah. - I have another intrusive thought. - Okay. - If the Texans sent their second rounder to the Colts for Jonathan Taylor instead of to the Cardinals from Marvin Harris in junior, would the Texans like maybe win the Super Bowl? - I thought about that. And I was like, what, the Colts would never do that. - I know, I know it's 'cause it's in the division. - Yeah. It made me think, I was like, wow, what running back can Texans get? - I know they wouldn't do that, but I'm thinking the Texans using the second round are Marvin Harrison when it's the only position that Houston doesn't need at all. Like they have Niko Collins. - We get another reason. - Even with Jaden Higgins out for the season, I thought it was gonna be really good. Niko Collins, Tank Dell is like kind of back, like back literally, but he's back. You have like Xavier Hutchinson. You have Kasha on booty at like 125,000. All those guys had touched on Stade. The only one who didn't, who didn't, Marvin Harrison. - Yeah, and I'm like, you spent a sec, and this is out of the Texans by. So I was kind of wondering if the Texans, you know what I mean? Like the Texans were going to like get Marvin Harrison to ball more, and they didn't. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, I look, there's an element of just, I think Niko Sarah's want to be Silicon Valley venture capital. Guy, he just ends up in NFL GM. And like I think that he's just like, by low on the generational prospect. Like it's a dynasty league. However, I'm like, man, that second round or could have got you a, any other position in quarterback that the Texans could have used more than receive. - It's quite like a disaster of a trade, if you really think about it. This team has a shot and has a lot of promising things going for it, and they just gave up a second round pick for like an irrelevant legacy round. - You know what would actually work? The Colts would not accept a second on pick for Jonathan Taylor. You can't trade in the division. But if you said Marvin Harrison's union to the Colts. (laughs) And then the Colts, like, do you want Marvin Harrison's son? They're like, where are they in? You won't deal with you and then they will absolutely. - Absolutely have a meeting and talk about it. - Were they in on it when Marvin Harrison was on the trade block? - The cults? - Yeah. - I do not think they were in the-- - They're like, "She will be trading picks away." - 'Cause they're out of them. I, you know what's, that you can tell me, should we have Marvin Harrison's son in the Indianapolis? - Something that they might do, because they seem to like have a lot of nostalgia for old players. - I know they would never make the division trade, but I'm just like, "Why did they do that?" The other, yeah, any of their intrusive thoughts? - I kind of think that Jags are too good for fantasy right now. Like, they're playing so well that like, none of the receivers on the team have enough time to accumulate stats in a game. - There's not enough plays. - No, I'm like-- - They quite literally don't run enough plays. - They genuinely don't. Like if you look at Trevor Lawrence's passing times, there's just like, not enough to go around. And like, you gotta hope that in the five targets Parker Washington gets that like, one of them is a touchdown. Sometimes it is, but it's like, man, they're like so efficient and so good. And like, Trevor Lawrence is spreading the ball around so well, where it's like, "Borkerture's having like 50 yard catches," and you're like, "We can't afford this." - They're winning every game. - Every part of me, "Borkerture?" But no one's really succeeding. Parker Washington's like, "Fine, "even though they win every game by 20." - Also, I mean, Trevor Lawrence just doesn't play in the fourth quarter anymore. - No. - I feel like the Jaguars and Bears will play in the Super Bowl. - I know, no one's really, yeah. - I just feel like those are the two best teams. I know what you mean though, where it's like-- - It occasionally happens sometimes, there are teams that get ahead by too much. I mean, there's a little bit of like, once the Bears get ahead, they just like stop throwing it, and they just run the ball bunch, and then like, "Lovely and burdened in a dunesay," like, "Don't have any stats anymore." - That's why the Lions have been a Bidanza 'cause it was like, very predictably. It was always Jimmy or Gabe Stave, I'm like, "I'm riding a monorah." And then the poorest quarter of the touchdowns, and then like, maybe randomly, they threw it a frickin' pate, Sioux or-- But like, for the most part, Gibbs gets all these touchdowns now, but a monorah demands the ball 'cause he bullies Jared off of his podcast, so he can only imagine what he says behind Cole's doors. But yeah, the Jaguars are not quite as predictable, and so it's weird that they're winning the game, Parker Washington's great, and then he is like, through catches, but it's like you need to do anything wrong, they just are up in the Ravens. - I had one small observation today. - Okay. - Jayden Daniels, he seems to be getting skinnier. He's the-- - He's losing weight. - He might be skinnier now than he was in college. He is even in pads. I think skinnier than any player not in pads in the NFL. - He does look like he has the tiniest little pads on. - It's-- - They're so compact. - Yeah, it's like the Vincent Pappalli pads. - When I think of like Jacobi percent, I feel like he's like, big ass shoulder pads swinging around. - He's like, like, Teddy J. - Jayden Daniels, it's like, he wears like a tiny little vest. - Right. - And that's it. - That's where he got lost. - He is so skinny. It to me, it was just really noticeable today. I don't know why it's just-- I think he's, even with pads, I'm ticker than he is. - He's-- - Sorry, he's paused. (laughing) It's not what I meant, but yeah. He could be what you meant. - Any other intrusive thoughts? - Yeah, we were at Bills, I forget what team did it. Somebody ran a flea flicker and I was like, I just feel like the flea flicker's, it's over. - I'm going to retire. - Yeah, it's like, now we have the lateral and I just think the flea flickers don't work anymore. - It's such an Ick when you do the flea flicker and then you can't see what's happening down the field and the quarterback's like, oh, fuck. And then he just-- (laughing) - He only turns and it's 85% of flea flickers. - They don't work. - Flea flickers are just like, you throw it to the underneath guy. - Totally. - The defenses are privy to it now. We've been doing it for so long. I remember it used to be when I was growing up. Like when they're running back, turned around and lateral it out. - Oh my god. - You're like, oh my god. Out Michaels was like, a flea flicker and there's like some guys wide open. And now it's like, you do that just to like, throw a 10 yard out. Half the time it doesn't work. I'm like, we don't, yeah. - It's like that mean, like-- - That's special anymore. - Like that mean the men don't go to war anymore. Because like, even the laterals now are starting to get a little, I'm getting numb to those. Like, the Patriots did one today. They got like eight yards. They're like, okay. (laughing) - Dude, I-- - I don't know. - Did you guys see, this is not a truth of thoughts and a truth of photo. Did you guys see the Jonah Coleman before an after photo this year? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is like, I, this is, I feel like this is like an Alex Jones before an after meme. - It's the opposite, it's in the inverse of that. - Yeah, you're right. - This is insane. - He grew like eight inches. - So it's like-- - I know, the height is the real thing. - What happened here? Why is he four inches on the slim flat, slim fast diet? - It says eight. - I grew seven inches. - It's like, they claim in eight weeks he went from 17% body fat to 14 and lost 14 pounds. And basically, in one, he looks like, I mean, like a pretty overweight guy. And then the other one, he actually looks like, I don't even, I don't even describe, like the most ripped lineback you've ever seen. - Yeah, I mean, he's also like four inches taller. - Well, if you look at the line, it's clearly a different angle or something. But this is mostly just loss of fat. Like, to be honest, I think his arms are the same. He's just like flexing them differently. And I think it's just all gut. - Oh, that is sneakily, yeah. The arms are the same. - And the arms are the same. - Ice-cream's posing angles. - Yes. I think he mostly is like, probably letting the belly hang versus sucking at it. And he just like lost 10 pounds. I think he's a little lost much of fat. - Obviously, 'cause he lost 14% body fat. - Like, I don't think he got way more ripped. I think he just probably ate better and did more cardio. - This is an incredible meme. This might be the meme format of the year though. This is like, this has so many legs. - Yeah. - I just, yeah, I'll be careful with that. - The only other intrusive thought I have with it. - Wait, we should reverse the meme, post it on Instagram, and it should be the Charger's preseason. - Ooh. - Almost the other. - And like, like, yeah, the other season. We'll get some running. - Speaking of, the other intrusive thought I have is like, I mean this. I think the Chargers are gonna go, oh, in 17. Like, I do. - What's their schedule look like? - I'll tell you, I have it up. - Oh, great. - Big test against Baltimore next week. But Jacobi Percent's gonna play and I think they're gonna win. - It's, well, I mean. - I mean, they're, I just think they're better. - You could argue that's one of the best chicken. You know who's gonna call Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh. You think John Harbaugh's not gonna help Jim. Figure out, like, like, they need to win that game. - I don't know what John Harbaugh could tell the Chargers to suddenly make them good. - But, show that there's all the people in the charge used to work for the Ravens. Like, the theory they should know what's going on there. They all know Jesse Mentor. Like, he was just the coordinator for the charge last year. - Yeah, but the problem is not the defense. - I know, but I'm saying they know the team intimately and the quarterback just got there. It's, yeah, it's one of their three best chances all year. - Yeah, I mean, if John Harbaugh can help them score more than one touchdown every 37 possessions, he should do that. - It's like TJ who's been sort of advising to Marvin Harrison to try harder. - They have a lot of, you know what I do? Try harder. There's tons of games they, in theory, could win. Don't think they're going to. They play at Baltimore, I think it's a loss. They play the Jets. I think the Jets are better. That's, they have a huge chance to win. They play New England. I think they lose at Tampa Bay. I think they lose. They play at Vegas. Another winable game. I think Vegas is better. Then they play the Niners. They play at Miami. I think Miami plays harder and is better. And then they play the Chiefs in Minnesota. I think there's lose all those games. - So we're here for the trade deadline. And like, they're claiming they won't trade Cleo Mack, which is fucking crazy, 'cause they should trade Cleo Mack. And maybe they don't want to give up. - But I'm like. - But they say they're worried about what that says to the locker room. It's like, did you look at your record? - The record says something. - Well, you know what, that makes sense though, 'cause Charlie Kohler, the guys on the team didn't know they had the score in 37 drafts. Maybe they don't know their record. Maybe there's no idea they're all not. - Yeah, media black. It's like they're sequestered. - Yeah. - They're doing the men in black corner. - For the entire game. - Yeah. - It's like showing up. - They're like, I don't think it's week one every week. - That's good. - That's a bad game. - Daniel's was so good at the end of four quarters. He had no idea what was going on. - But I don't know, man. It's like the vibes you're gonna get better. I doubt they're gonna start playing harder as the season goes on. And if they do trade guys away, like the team's gonna get worse. Even though they have Ravens, Jets, Dolphins, Raiders. I think there's a legitimate shot. This team goes out with 17. That's the first pick I'm gonna draft. - Okay. - I know we're going along. I will last one last interesting thought. I don't know if you guys give a shit. - Okay. - I don't know if you guys saw this, but Real Madrid, they have this field. How much have we heard about fields over the year? I'm like, oh, the brass is the field. This is how Real Madrid grows their fucking field. They have an elevator. It's like eight stories. And they grow it, they lower the field into a different chamber beneath the stadium. - This is like silo. - It's like silo. - This is underneath the stadium? - Yes. And then they lower it and they grow it. I don't know if it's hydroponic or what, but they grow it with water and UV, but underneath, and then they raise the stadium up like six floors into it. And I'm like, holy shit, we used to be a country. - I know. - Now the NFL is like, we ain't moving the goalposts. - Yeah. - Why? - We can't make the goalposts. Madrid has a stadium, they have a, they have a, they have a field. - Why is they have a 100 yard elevator they build? - That's insane. - How much is the grass growing so much better down there? - I don't know. That's not where the sun is. They know where the sun's going to be so far in advance. - How do they grow grass? Eight floors below the fucking field? That UV light down, what is going on? - That's amazing. - It's always funny to me when we read that. - Look at that. Look at the shelf technology. I have no question, I have no answers all questions. - Do people live down there? - Dude, I don't know, but they just kind of casually mentioned this during the game. And I was like, this is more interesting than anything the Falcons did. - That is pretty crazy. I mean, that is like literally like a 150 yard long elevator. - I think about a complicate, it's based, that's like a battleship level thing. - Yeah. - The field that big. I don't know, I blew my fucking mind. And they just kind of like mentioned it for 10 seconds and the thought, I thought about it for like an hour. I was like, what do you mean that? - The Americans and all of it. - The Americans never comprehend these fields. - Oh my god, anyway. - All right, quote of the day. Shador Sanders is asked, when he thinks of the St.Defense laughs and basically says, "Well, you know, I don't know." He's like, I'm maturing. - All of me would have like made fun of them, But I'm not going to say anything. But you just know when I'm smiling, I'm thinking something, but I'm not saying it now because I'm maturing and then now is like That quote was taken out of context There's a trick it was a trick That's like when you like you know get drunk and post something terrible and you're in and you're just like I got hacked Yeah, I got hacked. Yeah, and it's like you I were at a remarkable point now in time where you can just hop on and he's like Yeah, that's out of context. It's like it literally wasn't no, we didn't take anything I was like I would never talk down to a depot. I'm like you literally talked down and you can just be like no We watched it. I didn't do that. That's out of context. It's a trick. It's a trick I'm like we all know that was just 100% what you did and you're just like wrong when the definition of several is definitely Three, I'm gonna be like decay that was out of context. I took that quote in a content. I just that I think that is my favorite thing Anyone said this year is that was taken at a conference that thing that entire thing I had that entire answer to my question Oh, please then provide the context for me. Well, what's the context then? What I literally said when I smile you know what I literally said I'm not gonna say it, but I'm thinking about it Yeah, that when they asked me what do you think of the Saints defense and then I smile and said I'm not gonna say it, but I'm thinking it The other quote of the day is Sean Peyton Shining of reporter for smoking a cigarette during a press conference Then realizing it was a pencil that they were chewing on he's the best and I just wanted to highlight that he's old enough that he remembers when reporters would actually smoke in the press They had like the big thing in their hat that said press Did like the big flash camera like spider-man Was it like a pen cap that's like a pencil. I was just sure your pencil. He's like no smoking it here 91 you don't smell anything you look like a fucking cigarette I Hey, what is that you smoking you back there? No, sir. It's 2026. This is a pencil Also had to know I forgot the shooter centers also remember that browns the fourth and one. They were stuffed of like fourth and goal by the Saints Shoulders hitters turn the wrong way in the handle. Yeah, that was not you ran into his lineman ran into his lineman. This anyway, but that was like You know watch the whole thing. Okay Worst ref call decisions of the day. We'll say speaking of the Browns game getting Browns ended up Winning it over time we're no sorry. No, they lost. Sorry. It's 23 to 22. We lost am I getting that score right? They didn't cover so they went to overtime The end sequence of that game was absolutely ridiculous So the Browns score the game ends up being yet 2322 but the Browns tie will tie but they match it touched down and over time And then they could kick an extra point and go for a tie or whatever and they end up going for two they don't get the two Todd Monkin says He was asked about he said in that spot if you kick you're either gonna tire lose. That's not me And I'm like, you know what? I respect it Good for him if he said that and they won that'd be epic and you know what good for him for being like yeah, fucking ties of lame So at least each time that's great Also worst coaching decision. I have to say the Patriots trading K-Shon booty and then the entire game versus the packers I'm like fuck they can really get me. Yeah, I'm under your decision 125 yards for the taxes. Oh my god. They need him also everything I heard about him during the preseason and the run-up to the season was that He was absolutely lighting up Patriots camp and then they're just like we once again Texans don't actually need him at all It's just like a bizarre trade so Other things that happened the 80 Mitchell who had a rap on his hand The broadcast compared him to chubs from happy Gilmore Like put the hand and then he just dropped like four I though you're pretty sick chubs Chase Brown Cuck chair award Goes to chase Brown once again remarkable Imagine like you know, you know, I'm a west coast time. Imagine roll at a bed You got chase Brown in your team. You're like wow the Bengals beat the fucking 3417 and I bet chase Brown at 10 points. No No, we did not groundhog. He is the most mediocre player in the NFL right now in fantasy every week 910 They put up 40 he's got like 80 scoreless yards every week Miserable and I'm watching Ken Walker just fucking walked into the end some three times a week horrible Horrible outrageous I want to bring back you know, you know, we have the water model. That's a Kind of a system we created where Jalen Waddle every single week despite his terrible performances his projections on Yahoo or whatever fantasy app you use are always really high Yeah, just because of like I guess I don't know I like it they his career what he's done in the past His personal talent Sean Peyton gives a shit about. Yeah, it's always like 13 points projected He always says eight. I kind of wanted to bring up Jaden Daniels We were talking a hench today at Bill's house and he was like man. I started Jaden Daniels over Jordan love Because every week Jaden Daniels projections are so high and and he never delivers and you look and he basically had one really good game This year we had over 30 points and the rest of it. It's like yeah, he's projected for 20 14 He's projected for 19. He has 14 today. He was projected for 18 He had 14 and you're like damn like it. This is brutal He's projected to be one of the highest score in quarterbacks every week And he like doesn't deliver but because of that rushing I think like the projections are just always super number in your app that it tells you Will score has a real mental hold totally does really do that number your line ups This is why we hate Jalen waddles. He never hits this number. No ever including today We felt today. It was like hate him so much. Why is DK so obsessed with Jalen Waddle? Why is he keep asking about the whole day? He like bringing it all in or not Bill is like point turns just back or not Bill at one point turns just like you guys like you guys talk about Jalen Waddle a lot Well, yeah today Jordan love is projected for 16 points and Jaden Daniels was projected for 18 So I get it. You're like I guess I'll start Jaden Daniels and then Jordan love us 36 points. Yeah Brutal Water model is a real thing. It is we the water model. It's crazy. How much power it has over you? This is why I'm this one. I'm not ranking lad Maconkey next year because lad Maconkey is like like quietly Has he at the latwaddle model one game this season literally? Well, it's unfair because he just he doesn't play in the games He only plays a quarter out. He's active. That's such a kick in the nuts I see it at once. I want you know we oh twice week one and week eight Okay, cool. So two out of nine times got it. Yeah Okay, the Lucille blue if I don't understand the stat line award. I won't respond to it. If you can't it it's here Lines and Dolph lines dolphins game both punters completed a pass that's never happened in the NFL before Oh Yeah, I actually kind of can't believe it's never happened You think that there'd be one game ever where there were two successful fake ones. They are fake puns are so rare. Yeah, yeah Well, that was all Bill Walsh the axiom maybe there if you got a trick play use it first because then the other guys will be You just already before it won't do it. Yeah the Other one this was amazing Doug Lawson had this Fred Warner who I think might be defensive player the year straight up Fred Warner has the most forced fumbles by an inside linebacker through eight games in the last 30 years He is five Ray Lewis Luke Kekeley Breiner lacquer Bobby Wagner Patrick Will's never had five force fumbles in a season Fred Warner has five force fumbles halfway through the season wow the pun the the the peanut punch Some guys are elite at it Fred Warner's like who did he do it to today? Bowers. Oh, what's it hours? Yes, but Michael mayor got put Michael mayor got the thing I agree with Bill that I do think if you miss and you uppercut them in the fucking solar plexus That should be a foul. Yes, it's the old lunching someone. There's a weird loophole. Now, where you just there's a Roughness you just like once you're in the head. It's gone. It's beating going for the ball rough. It's like It's like it's like an old-school duel. It's like well. It was a duel. So it was legal It's like the old west Fairfights. There's fair fight sheriff. He drew on me first Okay, cool Yeah, that is the duel things crazy. Yeah, it's weird Anyway, don't punch the guy in the head Alexander bearer's just like crushing it with the peanut punch Also Marcus Mosher posted this tank del is more a hundred yard receiving games than Marvin Harris in juniors since 2025 Tank till tank del did not play in 2025 Yeah, yeah Yeah Okay, two tight ends who outscrewed kelpits in a lie Charlie Kohler who didn't know that they were on the 37 drives story imagine not knowing that How do you just not know you? Charlie Werner who's on the Falcons? Okay, I heard his name today Tegan Criteriano. Oh, yeah, that guy. She on the Texan Texans. Nope He is on the Cardinals. Yes. Yeah Um Collar at like 30 yards, so I don't I think it's Tegan sure. Yeah, I agree Yeah, he did not Kyle Pitz 24th tight end this week. He had 3.8 points Kyle Pitz of three catches for 23 yards and I hate him. I'm not ranking next year. We're sticking to it. If you stop if we had stuck to our guns on the Texas you never stick to our guy Michael Wilson over Marvin here We said what we said at the end of last season was that Michael Wilson should go three or four rounds ahead of Marvin You're not just higher. You should go four rounds higher than Mark. Wait. That's what we said I mean fucking cowarded out This is a good segue into the burnbook because I'm looking at the burn book weeks one through eight and if you just showed me this in August Honestly, for all but one, I think I'd go, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I'm like, "A.J. Brown, yeah, you're in my love, like, of course." Justin Jefferson with "Color Murray," you're like, "Sure, that probably didn't work out." Cam's got to be like, "I get it waddle, obviously. The chargers are chargering again." You're just like, "Yeah, Drake made me, it was the only one maybe you'd be a little surprised by, but everything else." I'm like, "Yeah, I probably checked out." I hate myself for some of these people. Yeah, so he's all makes sense. I think this is a two-horse race for the burnbook. There's two people I can't believe you're not, 'cause Omar and Hampton, I want to burn, but I keep forgetting we did the whole chargers. I was gonna be like, "Lad of a cocky, we have to burn." Two people, I can't believe we haven't burned yet, and it's a tough decision. It's Ashen, Jensy, and Chase Brown. I think it's Chase Brown. I think people with Chase Brown are angrier than us. I'm angry. I'm pissed. Because again, like, the opportunity costs. It's the comparison is the thief of joy. Totally. First of all, I can look it up quickly, but I bet you Jensy is outscored. It's also worse that Chase and Higgins and Burar are doing so good. The Bengals offense looks great. Yeah. Samajee P. Ryan seems like he's playing more than ever before. He's like 34 years old. And Chase Brown, I still think when he touches the ball, he's like, "Looks good. It's just nothing is happening." He's never scorched up. He just never scorched up. Nothing is happening. He's gonna be a season, it's gonna be week 16. He has fewer points in Seth McGowan and Chris Rodriguez. In court, is that right? Shentee does have more points than Brown. Yes. He had fewer points than Jensy. Johnson, Chadarian Price, Quarry Kiner had more points than Chase Brown. Dude, Jensy's scoring three more points than Chase Brown. Chase Brown's scoring 10 a game. I'm getting random text from people about Chase Brown. I hate him. Yeah, dude. It's 100% Chase Brown, especially because of how well the Bengals offense is going. Now that he's in the burnbook, he's officially a Bilo. He'll be the first Bilo after an entire season. The season will end and we'll be like, "Don't worry about that season. Bilo on Chase Brown." The Bengals, Joe Borough is basically next to Josh Allen and total points for Fantasy Quarterback. Yeah, very close. He doesn't really run. Chase Brown has one rushing touchdown in the first half of the season. This is the thing where you're really angry in your emotion. This happens in baseball all the time. It baseball is more stat-based and it's easier. There are players every year in baseball, there's a guy or two that has a historically bad first half. This year, it was like Maddie Machado or someone. And then the second half, they're fine. Something happens. It's just random. Chase Brown just, he has one rushing touchdown and they're not running the ball well because I mean, every year the Bengals say they'll do it and they can't. But like, the one rushing touchdown thing is an actual fluke that cannot continue. They'll say for the next nine weeks, but I actually do think he's a Bilo because now everyone who has him is fucking sick of him. Totally. I think we keep saying that every week, though. I know. Well, I want to. He's averaging 75 yards a game, total yards like passing and receiving this year. What, what did he average? 85. So 10 more. But he's just going touchdowns. Yeah. It's funny, it'll be a Bilo, even though he didn't get hurt, nothing was wrong and the team was great. And you're like, yeah, but you know, just like to come back clearly or what are you coming back from? Just playing crappy. Yeah. So, you suck last year. Yeah. That's a bummer. Okay. DK, just, you just said, I don't even know what you want. You just said, you want to remind me to tell you that you wanted to bring up the fantasy sport, but essentially teleports. I was thinking about the guy who, the buddy who is convinced his friends that he essentially teleports. Yeah, his quote is, he says, it's teleporting time. And then either at a bar, and he's like, I don't want to walk home 45 minutes, so I'm going to black out and wake up. I had such, I had a, I had such a weird, almost feeling like I'd woken up somewhere else, like I blacked out, I teleported somewhere else. Okay. So we're here in LA, if you missed the beginning, I flew to, I always fly into Burbank and great airport. It's like, it was made in 1930s. It's old. It's like tiny pop hope and whatever. So I get, you know, and it's funny because they always like, it's just a small airport. You get out of the tarmac. Yeah, you get out of the tarmac, but they also tell you now that recently they've been like, by the way, there's a shorter than normal runway. So we just kind of like crash land into it. Like you can't, we're not trying to do butter landings construction. Yeah. Yeah, they're like not trying to do butter landings. They're just like, they hit hard and then slam on the break. Anyway, the big parachutes come out of the back and it's like slowing down like the spatial. No, but that's not, that's not the point. So I get off the airplane, you on a tarmac, you go into the terminal and all of a sudden I'm like, you go into the dorm, like, wait, where the fuck am I? They, Burbank built a one new $1.3 billion terminal that I did not know opened. I got into the terminal and I was like, fuck, did I, like, did I fly to the wrong place? Like, I thought I, I was like, where am I? Like, am I in Dallas? Dude, I thought I had the momentary thing where there's this movie back from like my childhood called Flight of the Navigator where he goes on this like alien spaceship and then comes back and he's like in the future. And I was like, where the fuck am I? What the fuck is this place? It says Burbank on it. But I like, I don't know where I, I mean, that like just opened, I was like this place is huge. It's huge. Like, the regular Burbank, the old Burbank airport is like quaint, very small. Yes. Like, it's packed to the gills with people, you can't, you can't walk, you know, you can barely walk down the aisleways, there's so many people and I'm walking in and I'm like, this is, where, I feel like I was in, you know, like one of those huge international air look at the Frankfurt airport. Wow. I haven't been there. I think it literally opened like two weeks ago. Is it next to that or did they just redo that? I don't know. You don't know. I just was like, you're amazing. I just woke up there. I literally was like looking around like, where the fuck am I? Did you like pull your phone and like check your maps, like high in California? I was like, what, this was like. Dimitri Martin has this great joke that he wants to like go to an airport like in Denver or something and open up a store that just sells Chicago merch and just everything honestly Chicago. So you walk out of your gate and be like, oh fuck, where am I? Shit. It was so, it was like a very weird surreal feeling where I literally totally felt like you don't when you black out and then you wake up, so you're like, wait, where the fuck am I? God, that's like the worst thing. I don't know if you guys have gotten the wrong car. Oh, I actually don't think I have. I've gotten, no, no, like I, oh yeah, I have like a stranger's car ended up once parked all the way in. Yeah, I got in the driver's seat because they were like the driver's seat. That was driving. No, he like thought it was his car. Oh, I think so. You were drunk. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, sorry, my God. You're talking about black out. That's a good point. So, to be clear, you're driving at this and that was over as a judge. Bagels like 10 in the morning or Sunday. And like I, this is like, I was, I don't know, college, something, I don't know. But like, it's like my hometowns, so like people don't always lock their car doors sometimes. And like, I just got in my car and I'm like, is this like a car again? Like what is, what the fuck is going on? And I'm like, this is weird. And I look over and I see my car is next to this car and I'm like, oh, shit, I just commit for it. And then I'm like, is the key? And I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, what am I key? Start this car. You had to take it. Oh, shit. And I'm like, get it out. I'm like, looking around. And I'm like, yeah. You like see a security camera? And you're like, fuck. That's really good. Okay. Anyway, so I essentially teleported to this new thing. I thought I had gone to the future for like a half second. I was like, where the fuck? What is this place? It's huge. The ceiling's like 150 feet high. I'm like used to frigging tiny little lagoonies like that. Lagoonies was a punchline. Did they add on? They just changed the original. I think they just built in like a different area on the way. Okay. Okay. Email us. I was so confused. That's really good. I literally was like, oh, God. I'm gonna have to. Yeah. I'm gonna do it justice. Look inside. I was like, I'm gonna tell these guys I flew to the wrong city. Hey, guys, I'm in Phoenix. We got a problem. No. I'm in Sky Harbor. I'm like, fuck. Anyway. Thank you, DK. Thank you, Craig. Thank you. Awesome. Thank you to Kill. Thank you, Cam. Thank you, everyone. We're in Los Angeles. You're like Burlington, Vermont is lovely. Thank you, too. This flight did feel a little long. Thank you to Burbet. Who paid for that? Was that like a? Probably for Burbet. Probably fucking me. My tax money. Yeah. Thank you to whoever built the new Burbank thing. Craig's so mad. Fucking ridiculous. Thank you, Lord. Lord. Lord. All right. Songs you were rationally hate. The last two. I did "You Are Beautiful" by James Blunt. Yeah. Beautiful. And then "Hive It's The Browned Girl" by Van Morrison. Yeah. You're up, DK. All right. I'm trying to stick to-- What do you hate? I'm trying to stick to the pretty much not universally beloved, but like a song that people love. I'm going with Justin Timberlake. Sexy back. Amazing. I just-- It comes on. I realized this because I was at a bar the other day. I heard it. It came on and I was just like, I just wanted to skip to the next one. It's just kind of a noteness and a little bit smarby. Yeah. Yeah. I'm bringing you sexy back. Yeah. Go hand me a gun with a TVC on. Go hand me a gun with it. Yeah. I like that part's okay. Okay. I just like the part where they get to that takes too long. The mother boy. The mother. Yeah. You don't like that. I really don't like. I think the chorus like you were saying is like fine. Okay. I find myself just, okay, can we go to the next song? Justin Timberlake has some great songs. Some good songs. Sure, sure, sure. So does Timberlake. But now when I just-- Did Timberlake and Timberlake make that song together? I believe so. I believe it. That's really good. That's really funny. Yeah. (laughing) - Just like God, dude, stop. - Yeah, shut up. - It literally is that shut up. - Shut up. (laughing) - And it's also like, I'm bringing sexy back, okay. - Yeah. - That's a little bit cocky, just in Timberlake. - It's like you're like married to like a super model or something. (laughing) - My mother's like a son of a- - Yeah. - Cross arms. (laughing) - I don't know, I just find it so annoying. - I don't know, it's good. My friend, so last night was like, dude, I can't stop thinking about how DK hates droppin' like a tot. (laughing) He was like, I played that song all day. I should've had so good. - Okay. - He's like, I should've played it all day. - He's like, it's I'm ripped in defiance. - He's like, it's so good. - It's one of the best beats of all time. Droppin' like a tot. - Yeah. - Droppin' like a tot. - Are you hate Snoop Dogg's voice? - No, that's not true. - On that song. - Yeah, on that song. - The music, 'cause what would you grade in this, if there was no lyrics, and you were just like. - But there are, that's the problem. - Well, that's what I'm saying. The underlying music on it, on a skill of zero to 10. 'Cause I think it's like maybe a nine and a half. - I mean, yeah, probably like an eight. It's good, like good beat. - But the lyrics are. - It's the same with the sexy back. I just like, it's smarmy and annoying. I just find it. (laughing) Craig, what I said, sexy back. Craig went like this. This is like bites his lip like I fucking hate you. - No, but that's good. I love it. That's the point of this. - It's fucking great. - It's supposed to be irrational. I just find it very annoying and smarmy. - Hey, nothing wrong with that. We ride bills today. We saw two different commercials. One was set to lovely day, and the other was set to. Brown, I'd grow. - No, it was the one that I did. What was it? - Was it? - Maybe it was. - Maybe it was. - Yeah. - I will say you've ruined the lovely day for me. I don't think I ever really thought about how long it is, and now it's ruined for me. - I know it's all I think about. - It is obnoxious. I can't believe people don't recognize that. He's just like singing a flat tone for 19 seconds. - And the combination of that, and what's the other one we're growing now? 'Cause he's just like, what's the one that he repeats now? 26 times. - Oh, I know, I know, I know, I know. I love what I like too. - It's time when she's gone. - Yeah. - I know what I like. - Oh, lovely day. That's what it is. Oh, lovely day. It's like, it's like, guys, it's crazy. It's crazy. - When he starts the second time. - Yeah, well, you're done. You're like, oh my God, we made it out alive. And it's like, it's back. It's like another grenade. You're like, ah. (laughing) - Fucking in the trenches. Huck her down. Crazy. I can't believe in this dude. - He can't keep doing it. - The fucking music executive should be fired. Hey, Bill, maybe you don't do that for that long. - Stop. - Get in it out. - Take 20% off the top. - Yeah, Jesus. Good bye, everyone. - 'Cause the note is not even that good. Like, he has a great voice. But it's like, it's like the wrong note. I swear, it's like flat or something. (laughing) - Sorry. We're gonna just bring it up every single time. - I have people onto this though. Like, people are hitting me up being like, we have a lovely day, holy shit. - It's your legacy. (laughing) - Playing it up my funeral. - Yeah. - I can't. - That way you'll never die. - I'll actually come out of my fucking coffins. (screaming) - He's like digging his way out of the dirt. - It's like, my fucking hand comes through. Shut that shut up. - Oh fuck. - All right, goodbye, everyone, for real, this life. 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