Week 9 Fantasy Football Recap + Winners & Losers

Whatever's holding you back, hymns has a real plan for it. Be confident, be hymn. Take 9, welcome to the show. Remember 8th, and we are getting through all the action here. I just want to start out by saying that it's our super flex league. Thomas Schaefer, I feel like I can talk about him now. He sat on his bench, CJ Stroud and Jordan Love, benched him both. Bro, for Malik Willis and Carson Wets. Wow. You know what happened if you just didn't set his line up or something, but you know you could have. It's really really good for boy to be a good friend. Don't they don't they share the team hymn with Sam? I don't know, but Sam's not here tonight. So no, not in the dynasty league. No, it's just Thomas anyway. Oh, the dynasty league. Yeah, yeah, dynasty league. He had to accept his line. Why would he have Carson Wents? Like, as he had Wents in his line up all year. No, I don't get it, but we welcome you to fit his football today presented by. We're presented by him. Whatever's holding you back hymns has a real plan for it. Be confident. Be hymn. Sorry, Thomas. Can't get mad at me anymore. All right. Who's the biggest? He said all the winners were lame. Would you like to do the biggest loser instead? Preferably. Yes. Okay. Who wants to do the biggest winner? Not I can. I was completely wrong on CJ Stroud. So great game by him. That was fantastic. Dave was all over that. He was great call. That was was impressive. It was a couple of questionable throws early in the game, but like the throw to tank that was great. Casey on booty made a couple good plays for him. Amazing catch by Niko Collins, but look, the best game I think against the charger so far this season. CJ Stroud's locked in. Hopefully he'll continue to play like this the rest of the way. And the receiving core. I mean, look, you lose Dylan. Well, and then Mr. Beat. We nice to see Marvin Harrison get going at some point, but Stroud's point. Great. Yeah, about 45 fantasy points, 45.4 fantasy points for CJ Stroud. What if that's a career high, but that is now all, but two games 20 or more fantasy points for CJ Stroud. And the five great. And you know, I'm sorry, the two games that he didn't do it. What did I have in common? No, Niko, they both were not in your kitchen. No, Niko Collins in those games. Well, yeah, it's a good point. All right. Heath, biggest loser. I won't steal anybody else's, I'll say mine quench on jetkins, which I think may also be the biggest overall loser. Fantastic matchup against the Saints gets a full overtime game. And scores 5.5 fantasy points averages 2.9 yards per carry. Just a disgusting performance in a fantastic, you get to play five quarters against the best matchup in fantasy. And you average less than three yards per carry and score five fantasy points. And once again, Dylan Samson dominating the passing work six targets for him, one for jetkins. Yeah, well, 79% started quench on jetkins. By the way, CJ Stroud was only started in 35% of leagues. Go ahead. I just wondered was that was he like the best sabotage cut? Well, somebody's get somebody's going to pick them up and use them. Judkins, I came up before I'm not going to cut him, but it might like if you really wanted to play 3d chess. All right, Dave, you can give a bonus winner a loser or you can guess the five highest scoring players don't ask me in fantasy. Don't ask me, I have an in front of me. Including the quarterbacks, including the quarterbacks I have an in front of me. So love and strut. And two players outscored burrow non quarterbacks Watson and golden no. Some guy had 14 catches today. Oh, Puka, yeah, yeah, and Kenneth Walker. Yeah, there you go. Top five Stroud love Walker, Puka, Joe burrow. I don't think we've given Joe burrow enough credit for the season he is having. He might be the NFL VP right now. Yeah, he's been awesome. This is the best four game stretch. I believe of Joe burrow's career. I went back and looked. I just did a once over. I did not see four straight games of 32.6 or more fantasy points for Joe burrow. Pretty amazing Pittsburgh at Washington, New Orleans. Did the matchups even matter for Joe burrow? They don't. He's. No, you're starting him. Yeah, he's insane. All right, Dave. What would you like to talk about? Go ahead. Dave for his verse. I don't I could go in a hundred different directions. I don't know if there's anything specific that you want me to. Like you I could talk about Bryce young and how he sort of unlocked himself. In the second quarter, I think it was when Riley Moss got hurt for the Broncos and then had the weirdest interception that you might ever see because it bounced off with. Tommy Trumbo-Rost. We can talk about that. We can talk about that noise. We can talk about how we had a bunch of wide receivers that we were all excited to pick up off waivers and a running back to. And they all stop. We can talk about how the best running back in play is probably Blacorm at this point. And we're just waiting for the Rams to get the rest of the league and use him more and Kyron less. Wow, that's a hot take. All right, we'll talk about all the games and more. On the show later on on the show tomorrow beyond the box score. One thing I'm going to do on the box where I didn't have time to do tonight is take a look at this Lions offense. They have scored 20 19 or 20 fantasy. Not fantasy. It's 19 or 20 points in three straight games. And I think green Bay has a pretty good defense. Minnesota's got amazing defense. But this was the Dolphins. Those are the last three opponents. Green Bay Minnesota and Dolphins. What the heck is happening with the Lions offense? We'll dig maybe we just stop punishing Sam Laporta for going out podcast and saying he was unhappy this contract. Like maybe just start having him running routes instead of blocking. I mean, I don't think Laporta had such a bad game today when you compare it to the rest of the team. I mean, James James Williams had one catch in the first he had one catch in the first half. I mean, I Laporta as a loser, it's just a continued stretch of games for him. Like right now he's he's not safe as they start like, you know, you drafted him to be one of the safer tight ends. And hopefully it will happen. But this is now a continuation of what happened last year when they started to get James and Williams more involved. I know it didn't happen today. But you know that that stretch of games that we saw before Laporta's back injury. It was not good for him when James and Williams was a factor. And coming into this game, James and Williams was a factor and then you have a lay-up of a matchup at least on paper. And they don't take advantage of it. I wonder how much though of Jeff Jeff halfly knowing the Lions offense. I don't know how much success he had against them when he was in Green Bay. But just knowing the Lions offense and maybe making things a little bit uncomfortable. The Dolphins play hard. This is going to be one of those teams. Like they're there are colleague Brian McFadden for years has used expression. They're they're getting the way team. And they're just going to be a team that will frustrate you and you know you'll see big spreads. For example, if you're betting them, I know they cover today. But like they typically are going to be a tough opponent. And as they continue to get better, they're a very young roster. That's only going to get worse for opposing teams. Well, the other reason why the Dolphins are kind of tough is they see going into today the second fewest pass attempts per game in the NFL. Now that hasn't really matter, but it's not like Jamire gives us great today. No, I know that. But I've said that before like Dolphins are on was they're not bad per carry. But yeah, but he had he had 20 carries, right? So that's still a lot. Anyway, what I was trying to say is like Sam Laporta has had a 20% target share in two straight games. That's not bad. It just haven't thrown like 25 pass attempts today for Jared golf is pretty bad. Anyway, more to come later. We got some fill in the blanks. We got injuries. And there are a lot of them. I mean, Josh Jacobs or Mandry Stevenson, Puka Nakua, Jacob seems like he'll be okay. It did seem that way. Yeah. Yeah. He was on the sideline for most of the game and they were blowing. Puka was a weird one too, because you got the report right away from chef to I think was after a rap port. And then he talked after the game and didn't make any mention of his knee. Right. Oh, it's a fractured finger for for Josh Jacobs, according to Matt Schneidman. Okay, that could be bad. Yeah, I don't know, you know, tape it up hard to play with a fractured finger. Well, he tried. That's what he tried to do. He was over on the sideline trying to catch passes and he couldn't hold the ball without wincing. So that's where they didn't let him go back in. This is what Matt LaFlora said. He said he has a fractured finger or he fractured a came read the quote. He fractured a finger. Hopefully we can do something to allow him to go out there, but he was having a hard time gripping the ball. Also, Drew Locke may not be available next week. I'm just saying that now he has an oblique injury. I think you're going to get very interesting trade reports in the next 24 hours for the Packers and the Giants. Yeah. All right. Well, it's not going to cause a Giants run game was awesome today. Let's do some fill in the book, shall we? This is from butter reasons. He gives us four different ones. So let's go through him. Here we go. Ashen Gentee is blank rest of season. Dylan Simpson. What was it? I'm sorry. So in the middle of the low end number two PPR running back rest of season. Yes. When Fernando Mendoza starts handing off to him next week, it'll be great. Tyler Warren is blank rest of season as good as Sam LaPorta. Late career's accords. He's better than late career's accords. He's mid career's accords. Lad McCockey is blank in a 10 team league. Dropable. I don't even know if we should call him lad anymore. I think his first name is Michael. Let me check. I thought it was, I thought it was said bad McCockey. Derek Henry. Well, I mean, he's got her, he's got her to get in there, right? He knows. Yes. He wasn't bad. He doesn't just get hurt. He gets hurt immediately. Yeah. Like the week one he got very late in the third other than that, it's like immediate. First name is Andrew. Goes by lad. Okay. We'll call him lad. It's disrespectful to call him Andrew unless you're his parents left with a back injury. Derek Henry will be blank with a percent at quarterback. Less exciting. Touchdown dependent. Jerome Betis. Number two RB. Late season better than genty. Late career Jerome Betis. Late career Jerome Betis would like only play at the goal line. And then otherwise, he would just like chill on the sideline. So it's Carolina in two weeks. He'll be fine. We'll be fine then. He better be. By the way, Derek Henry or Ashton Genty rest of season. Henry. Henry. 2027 second round pick. Geez. Spreading the blues today. This is from Johnny. This is a tough one. See, Dave, you have your handy laminated schedule. I should trade for blank because of his great playoff schedule. You should trade for Jared Goff because he gets the, no, Bonix. Let's look at the wrong line. He gets the Dolphins Jets, Raiders and Bills in weeks 13 through 16. None of those teams will put up points for him to be his great self-portport. That's a good point. All right. We'll come back to that one. Let's see. Who's got Detroit and Washington? Oh, Kyler Murray. Now, don't trade for him. Just fill in the blank. RJ says, "If I started blank instead of blank, I would have won this week." That's Thomas. Yeah. I'm Amecha Buka instead of Adon I Mitchell. Jordan? Literally anybody instead of Adon I Mitchell. Jordan Love instead of Jared Goff. For me personally. Because of Lan Larison over Adon I Mitchell. Bryce Young over Malik Willis. That was the one that absolutely cost me a matchup today. I left 23 points on the bench. And I, you know, I think we all had good-- I think we all would have done that, right? Yeah. Not Heath. Right. Wish I had spoken to you about that then. Well, you shouldn't listen. I mean, one out of four. And then fantasy football dog says, "The best wide receiver duo is blank and blank." On the same-- Oh, that's tough. On the same NFL team. Yeah. Two of the Bengals are the Packers, guys. I'll still take the Bengals. I will, too, by the Bengals. And the Packers just-- Jordan Love woke up and chose violence today. Well, they deep off. Deep off. Did somebody steal Christian Gonzalez's jersey? No. Bad game. Yeah, Matthew Golden. They just took turn. That was really aesthetically pleasing to see, like, zero on zero and Golden destroying him. Then Watson destroyed him later. Yeah. That was bad for Gonzo. Right now-- I guess like the best duo could be Darren Waller and Tommy Trumble. Yeah. Could be. Oh, please. Christian Watson and Matthew Golden are currently wide receivers, seven and eight. The last two times we had teammates that finished top eight per game, that's per game, by the way. The last two times was Higgins and Chase, two years ago when Joe Burrell-- All right, Higgins and Chase, top 10, too. They're top five. They're four and five, I think. Stopped by right. Yeah, I don't doubt it. But the quarter-- I mean, if you think about the best duo last year was QB, was wide receivers one in nine, Puka and Adams. Matthew Stafford was QB one. The year that Higgins and Chase were both top five per game, Joe Burrell was QB, too. What does it say about Jordan Love? Like his chances to be, you know, pretty awesome. News and notes. I mean, gonna be. He has been. Yeah, he has been. But he hasn't been-- I wonder what he was. Does anybody know what he was for the season going into today? Actually, I do know. I can look it up. All the drop passes, actually we're starting to really hurt his stats. But the news and notes, you guys can talk about the quarterback situations. JJ McCarthy, Patrick Mahomes, Drew Locke. They all left and returned. Locke might not be able to play at the Raiders next week. McCarthy, I mean, I can't just assume he's gonna play. They got a Thursday game against Washington. I think Mahomes will be all right. The Colts are reportedly not going to trade Daniel Jones and Jamie Justin Herbert left in the fourth quarter. So when you look at the Giants, Chiefs, Chargers, and Seahawks with quarterback injuries, what stands out to you? I mean, the Giants obviously have a suitable replacement that might be better for their past catchers in James Winston. So there's no concern there. Seattle, Jalen Milro, you know, in just asking about him to some people that might know. They apparently, he stinks and the Chargers doesn't matter. And what was the other one? Some bad name at Holmes. He seems like he's going to be fine. He seems like he's going to play. So I anticipate a point. Yeah. Man, I thought that looked so bad when it happened. Oh, I did do. Yeah. Freakin' out. Scott Hansen was freaking out. He's like, guys, go to the full screen. Mahomes is hurt. He just goes over and like takes his arm band off and rubs on and a little put the arm band back on. He just starts throwing. I don't know. I don't know. Jordan. I mean, was there any difference in how he threw the ball after the injury? I didn't think so. Okay, good. When did were these hands, Trinco? Late. After that, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So how he throws to either Brian Thomas or Josh Downs will be important. Hopefully. Any both. Any both. Any both. I kind of do. Going into the week, Jordan Love was the number ten quarterback per game and four point, number nine and six point. So, you know, we always knew he was having a great season, but it was good for fantasy. It wasn't credible. I would take a break. I got some more injury news for ya then with our winners and losers and early look at the waiver wire, the almost touchdowns, the goal line work, everything you need to know. Breeze Hall is a trap back. We'll tell you about it when we come back. One of America's top true crime podcast, 48 hours is back with a new season. Join us every Monday for a new episode and Tuesdays for a deep dive into that episode with Post-Mortem. He said quote, "If they're going to die, I'm going to see them die." Plus, hear episodes from the 48 hours archive Wednesdays and Thursdays. 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I don't know his status, other than the statement he posted. And Caleb Johnson, what appeared? Harshon Lloyd was an active today. What do you think the Packers' run game would be without Josh Jacobs? Do we have anything to fall back on here? Oh, yeah, it was horrible. Worst thing in the world. Pukka Nakua heard his knee, and it's going to have an MRI on Monday. They're at Arizona in week 10, and then they have a buy. So the three big-time injuries, Stephenson, Jacobs, Pukka, all have a buy in week 11. Xavier Worthy has- I had to get offence without him. Xavier Worthy has a hamstring injury. I'm a conky back injury, Jalen Waddle left with a concussion. They have a buy in week 10, so probably back in week 11, you think. And I did see Omar Cooper, Jr. leave in the fourth quarter. I don't, it didn't look serious. I didn't see an update on him, but he had a decent- I thought it looked kind of serious. He was slam on the ground and it- He had a set. Okay. Well, I didn't seem to go to the locker room. I thought he just stayed on the sideline, but- I don't know. I don't know. I thought he went to the blue tent, but I didn't see up where he went after that. Okay. Harold Fanon, Jr., just want to point out, he did not have a single target in regulation. And then he had two catches for about 35 yards in a touchdown and over time. A lot of chipping. It couldn't get worse for the Patriots today. Well, actually, it did with Will Campbell getting hurt in the fourth quarter. I think it was in the fourth quarter. The left tackle, Will Campbell left with a knee injury. Kansas City left tackle. Actually, the right tackle, I believe, Jalen Moore left with an ankle injury. Washington had a guard leave with an injury. The Rams had a guard leave with an injury. The Saints had a center leave with an injury. And the Colts had a right tackle leave with an injury. And let's take a look at the early waiver wire here. Jamie, who do you think would be the top priority as of right now with a lot of injuries? I would guess it's going to be kinder if there is no Ramandre and no Trevion. So he would be the first person I'd go look for. I have it on my other computer. I'm sorry. We'll have a whole list for you tomorrow. But I think just looking at it, Zonovan Knight would be somebody that I'm going to be interested in because Algier did not play well. So coming off of his concussion, hopefully he's able to play. MacKylement had a strong game today. I think it really hasn't matter who the quarterback is. He had a bad drop that could have actually added to his production. But otherwise, he's clearly the go-to guy without Wix and Smith there. So we'll see what happens for them moving forward. That's fine. Try anything. They have a buy. I mean, you could look at the Patriots guys like the Mario Douglas. That was just like 71% roster. MacKylement is 12% roster though. Yeah. It has a buy coming up and then hopefully Zonovan Smith is back, but no idea if that will be the case. I think we're going to end up seeing and the trade deadline will happen before you make your waiver moves to the night. So there might be some openings for some players. Someone says in the chat, Adam, how do you feel about Pat Bryant after Loki dissing him, dissing on him earlier this week on the early waiver wire show? I did. Dave brought him up. I would honestly say, if I knew Jalen Waddle was going to leave with a concussion early in the game, I wouldn't have dissed Pat Bryant, but yeah, he had a nice game today. The late three games earlier this year was good in week one, he probably left week three with an injury. But that was all he did. He's good in week one. That's it. But no, look, if Waddle were to miss time, but they've got a buy and it's just a concussion, so probably back in week 11. All right. Let's get into the pulse pounding performances brought to you by whoop, the wearable device that gives you personalized insights into your sleep recovery, your strain and how daily choices may be influencing your overall well-being. You know, Heath and Jamie, they got their whoops on all the time. And if you want to learn more, head to join.woop.com/fft, join.whoop.com/fft. Jamie's got CJ Stroud as a winner and Caleb Douglas, 73% roster, 39% started, six catches for 70 yards on eight targets against the Lions and he's at the Colts next week. Just continues to play well, you know, and clearly is a big play throughout as opportunities to make a lot of plays out of the back then. Blake will as early in the game. I think looking at it right now, like if you're judging the Dolphin's past catchers and I know a lot of people don't want to get excited about them understandably, so Dolgis was awful today. Malik Washington has typically been kind of that steady, you know, player for them, but you only have one good game when Dolgis was on the field, which was last week when he scored a touchdown. I think he's their best receiver. I think he can be a starter in three or three leagues. Malik Willis is just leaning on him enough, like, you know, it's not like we're getting a high volume of passing from this Dolphin's attack, but I think Caleb Dolgis is going to be a consistent number three receiver. You probably want to label him if anything as a boomer bus type of guy, and I think again, if you're getting six plus targets consistently, that's pretty good number for him. This target share has been great. Yeah, I feel like you're under selling him a little bit because the target share has been good and he had eight targets today, caught six of them, 70 yards is all right, but I think he's emerges their best pass catcher and, you know, tall, fast team. Yeah, I just don't think like he's he's must start caliber, you know, so I didn't want to paint that picture. As we saw who was it two games ago that they played before the stretcher games that we were talking about their schedule getting favorable. So I'm, I listen, he should be rostered. He said that on Tuesday, he should clearly be a potential option. Like I had him as a starter in three receiver leagues for this week. I think probably we all had him in that range or close to it. It's just a matter of like you just see the building and the growth and how much he's, you know, improved, especially coming back from the ankle injury. He is, to me, their best receiver. Mm-hmm. Right. I think the problem is the, it's just the same thing with me like Washington, it's the environment is 14 completions, 15 completions per week, and he had 13 today. And maybe 200 yards, like an elite number one wide receiver gets a 33% share of that. And so maybe you're getting five catches for 70 yards if he's elite. Well, I think he's either good, good, flex, a great by week guy, but it's just like he's probably going to end up in the same place and leaked it. Okay. I think he's passed him though. I think his ceiling is, his ceiling is limited. Right. His floor is much safer than, than, than Caleb Douglas for the majority of the season. Now, the majority of the season for Malik Washington was without Caleb Douglas. Right. Okay. Moving on to Dave's winners, Bryce Jung, 12% started, 26.3 fantasy points against Denver. And same game. Bonics. 31% started. I think I only have him at, I only have him at 19.7 fantasy points. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. He's kind of a lame winner. There aren't a lot of great winners this week, unless you want me to just like name off a bunch of players that are started in 80% of leagues or something like that. I will say, Nick's is throwing the ball better. Mostly. There were a couple of throws that I'm sure he wish he had back. You can say that about every quarterback every week, but he came out aggressive. A lot of deep shots to begin the game. The throw that Waddle got injured on probably should have been caught while just took a really bad hit at the end of it. And then he left the game and he wasn't there. And so there was nothing to worry about because Pat Bryant was back, Coral and Sutton had a big game. The touchdown to Pat Bryant was kind of an easy throw. There was busted coverage there. But for the most part, I think Bonics is starting to find himself a ran just a little bit today. And it's kind of interesting that maybe he can support one wide receiver. And I don't think he'll be nearly as terrible as he was earlier in the season. So with the bi-weeks are coming up, Caleb Williams is on by next week. Of course some other guys are going to be on by as well. And Bonics should be in the conversation as a quarterback. He's awesome. He's also on a by next week. That's fair. But if you've got somebody who's on by in week 11, week 13, week 14, I think there's teams on by in week 14, then he's somebody who, if you like the matchup, you can go with them and not be scared because he's not playing scared anymore. And I think that's important. And as for Bryce Young, by the end of the game, he was he was getting knocked around by the Broncos defense. But the offensive line did an okay job holding up for a good chunk of like the second and third quarters, a little bit of a garbage time touchdown to Teterona Mcmillan against Pat Surtan toward the end of the game. It cut it to a one score game. So maybe it's not quite a garbage time touchdown, but Young made some really good throws. And he might be starting to bounce back a little bit from where he was over the last couple weeks. I thought the game plan was great. You know, involving the tight ends and not really having to, you know, challenge the corners there. And you saw just a lot of easy throws to wall or easy throws to Trumbull. Like it was, it was smart by Dave Connells. Okay. Yeah. It was a surprising performance certainly by the offense and they were upset that Tommy Trumbull had this end zone target that hit his foot. It was intercepted. It didn't seem like it was intercepted. It seemed like it hit the ground. It was a crazy interception. They were upset because they ran a play on second down and then the challenge was given to the Broncos for the play before that. So they were a little annoyed by that and they're being an enormous play taking a touchdown away and getting an interception on it. Anyway. All right. So Dave's got Bryce Young and Bonix from that game as winners, Heath. You have Jordan Love, who is awesome. And Travis Kelsey, four catches for 72 yards on six targets. And he also had, well, that ended up being a rushing touchdown. Yeah. It continues when he's used to look good. I wouldn't really like him this week because I think what I said was he's kind of a break class glass in case of emergency guy, well, they've got an emergency now without Xavier Worthy. And even if they bring somebody in, I don't really think Josh Downs or Brian Thomas have shown us something to think that they will come in and acclimate quickly and start dominating targets. I think it's best to probably, like you said, the rushing touchdown, I'd probably just view this as a five for 73 on seven targets, but he's still playing well. He looked healthy. He did last week and they're going to have to just throw it to him and Walker and Rice. And that's it for a while, probably. Love's incredible. Goldens. Incredible. Watson's incredible. Sorry. What did you make of her shoe rice? What happened? I, it was, it was weird. I don't, I don't know what to say. What happened? Yeah, I thought, you know, I feel like a lot of the shorter stuff early in the game just went to Worthy. I feel like he didn't get a lot of his stats until we're the left with the injury. I don't think that's true. I think maybe one catch after we're the left. Okay. Maybe it was two. He didn't have a terrible game. Five catches for 49 yards on seven targets, but it just, I was expecting more, I guess, from Richard Ice, but these things happen. Thank you to Woop for sponsoring this week's Pulse Pounding performances with Woop. You can better understand how your body is responding to the travel. The training, the late nights, weather changes, and it helps you see what's supporting your energy and recovery and what might be holding you back so you can make meaningful changes to enhance your overall health. Once again, if you'd like to join Heath and you'd like to join Jamie and all the other Woop users, learn how you can get a free month on us head to join.woop.com/fft and it's W-H-O-O-P. And we're on to the losers. You got Braille and Alan Heath as a loser. He was started in 45% of leagues. He had 10 touches for 54 yards and he had talked about Quinch on Juddkins, who might be the biggest loser of them all today, but what do you think of Braille and Alan and the Jets backfield? So Braille and goes eight carries, 33 yards, two catches, 21 yards, and a fumble. Breeze Hall, 15 carries for 61 yards, three catches for 26 yards. Yeah. I think we had some uncertainty coming into this game, exactly how touches would be distributed. That's why Braille and Alan started in 45% of leagues and it's probably going to be closer to 20% next week. And maybe that's half of those people are people who just left from their lineup because they aren't looking at it. It's Breeze Hall's backfield. Braille and Alan is, I'm not even sure it looked to me like it was a 1-B situation. So much is just a rotation that favors Breeze Hall. He's a low-end RB2. Braille and Alan's a touchdown dependent flex. I'd give Braille a little more credit than that. The first three quarters, Breeze had 52% of the snaps. Braille and had a huge edge on third downs. They had three snaps inside the five over the course of the game. Alan had all three of them. And Alan dominated in garbage time late. He basically took every single snap. So I'll agree that Breeze Hall is the guy here. But Braille and Alan will still have some sort of a role. And I don't think it's going to be like a massive relegation where it's like five touches a week. So earlier, I said, Breeze Hall is a trap back. Hear me out. Who played a lot more on passing downs? Who was basically the third down back? And who was the goal line back? Braille. Braille. So I think he's a little bit better than a trap back. He's not like Ollie Gordon in the passing game where you're hoping for one catch. You got three catches from Breeze Hall. You got a decent game from him. But he's not playing when they're chasing points. They're one of the worst teams in football. He's not playing at the goal line. He was started in 48% of leagues. That's probably what it should be. I mean, you can't, I don't think you can feel good about Breeze Hall. I do. He got 18 touches in a game where he didn't play during the blowout portion of the game. And it was a bad matchup against the Chiefs. I came away pretty encouraged. I think you just got to know what you're getting. You're getting a time share running back that's going to have some issues. He's just not going to be a third round pick. He's going to be more like a fifth round pick or a sixth round pick. You're going to get a low end number two running back as opposed to a must-start guy. The way your lineup will look will obviously determine how you feel about Breeze Hall. If you can avoid him in certain matchups, you're going to avoid him. Let's make a trade now. Let's do Tutin for Breeze Hall. I mean, I think the framing is important too. If you look at our consensus rankings, Devon Singletary, Ollie Gordon, Ashton, Gentie, Aquam Barkley, Woody Marks, Quinn Sean, Juddkins, and Tyler Algier, all consensus top 24 running picks. Breeze Hall is an easy RB-2. Yeah, he is. He is. Okay. Oh, yeah. There aren't that many RB-1s, like, you know, there's going to be. There aren't that many RB-2s either. Yeah, but you're also. I mean, you can make a case. Both Steelers running backs might be better than Breeze Hall. You can make a case that Tony Pauler is better than Breeze Hall, you know. That's. he's in the group that he've listed is where he belongs. It's the goal-line stuff that bothers me, man. Yeah, I just. I don't know if it's going to be that case every single week moving forward. And the thing that I just went back to on this morning was, I just don't trust this coaching staff to do the right thing with either of these guys. Well, and Breeze was really good today. He was good. Okay. I mean, I didn't want to say. Same rushing average, but. No. In the first half, Braeland had a higher rushing average, but he had fewer care. He had Breeze had. And the fumble records. And the fumble definitely did not help. No. Look, they. I think they can run the ball. I think it's a good run. Yeah. You know what? It's like a much worse version, Dave, of the Rams. And I know you want to talk about Kyron Williams as a loser here and also all those waiver wire wide receivers that just didn't come through for us, but yeah, who are your losers today? Well, you just named him. Kyron Williams and the crappy waiver players doesn't have to be just the wide receivers. You can throw Devon Singletary in there, too. Kyron had the workload that you kind of want, at least in terms of snaps, played 63% of the snaps. Definitely not a trap back. He played most of the third down snaps, two of the three snaps inside of the five. It's the eyeball test for me where you watch these two running backs play and you go, okay, Kyron is good, but Blake Corum is really good. And just far more explosive. We've been seeing it for weeks now. Kyron's had under 13 PPR points in three of his past four games. Corum has had at least 11.8 PPR points in five straight games. This week was his worst game at 11.8 PPR points. I'm nervous that the time will come eventually where it's going to be closer to 50/50 in the first half. And then in the second half, if the Rams are leading, it could be 60/40 Corum. And maybe I'm just scared of the boogie man here, but he just looks like the better running back. And now, Pook is going to miss time. This whole offense could get ugly, and it could be bad for both of them. If you can get close to second round value on Kyron Williams in a trade, I think that was the time. And they lost the line. They lost Steve Avela. We don't know how long he's out for, but he's a pretty good blocker. Oh, and they're schedule Arizona by Green Bay, Kansas City, San Francisco, Dallas. Dallas is probably pretty good. Seattle Tampa. Hmm. Stuff. Well, yeah. And their last five games, Kyron Williams has 20 more carries and nine more catches. But the total yards are almost identical. And the touchdowns are identical between a Corum and Kyron Williams. And Corum is averaging 5.4 yards per carry, Kyron 4.1 yards per carry in those last five games. Here's a look at it there. I feel like we could just go through this pattern every year with Kyron of like a key out of stretch a month ago, where we thought he was the top five back rest of season. Yeah. It's true. He was completely dominating and catching six passes a game in like the best running back that's ever played. And then we go through the stretch where Corum looks better. And I don't know. Maybe something will change. I would love for something to change or I'd love for both of them to get a little bit more work. And then we could use both of them in fantasy and there are a better version of the Jets and maybe not quite as good a version of the Steelers as an example. Well, Corum was started in, let's see. He was started in 47% at least. That's the same as Breeze Hall, basically. Yeah. So people are considering him an RB 2 or a high end flat. It should be. Of course. And it's easy to say that because he's had such a hot streak. Yeah. But that same schedule applies to him too. Of course. And that's why I didn't name him as a winner. And it's more about Kyron. It could get, it could get bad form as far as touches and workload and it kind of did today. Okay. Jamie, Jaylin, Coker and Sam LaPorter are your, are your losers? Yeah, we kind of touched on LaPorter earlier. I think you're, you're still going to consider him a starter, but you just can't consider him a safe starter or if you are looking at, hey, this guy might be a better streamer, not that the streamers this week were good, because Giseki and Dolce just were bad. For example, it's just not, I think you're going to get the return on investment at this moment. That might change. Things hopefully will improve for him. Like you said, he got a little bit more involved in the second half. So hopefully that's a sign of things to come. But I just don't think right now what we're seeing is that both LaPorter and James and Williams will be able to coexist to the level of, they're both going to be great fantasy options. So I hope I'm wrong about that. It just doesn't seem like it's bearing out over the last three weeks. In the case of Jaylin, Coker, the hot start, hot start has significantly cooled off. I'm hopeful that when they face a little bit more of an easier opponent that we start to see Bryce Young have more time and be able to challenge down the field a little bit more and more consistently with his top two targets. But you're seeing over the last couple of weeks the tight end involvement, not just necessarily today of Darren Waller having a huge game, but Tramble's been more involved. I think we're going to hopefully get more, if you're in the Coker camp, just more of those concentrated targets to him and McMillan, McMillan's not going away. Coker has disappeared. You just hope that's not the case permanently. All right. Coker with a terrible game started in only 31% of leagues. So good job, folks. Yeah. I mean, look, I know he was, and the theory was right, you know, that he playing in the slot, hopefully would benefit from it. It was more the tight ends today than Coker. You just haven't seen the targets the last three games for him, and that's what's been frustrating. Yeah. The last three games. It's four or five and five targets for Jalen Kocher We're gonna take a break when we come back. I'll fill you in on the almost touchdowns and we'll go through the games. We'll be right back Hey, I'm Tony DeCopel anchor of the CBS evening news on my new daily podcast great question with Tony DeCopel We go deeper on the one big question you haven't heard answered or maybe haven't even heard ask follow and listen wherever you get your podcasts Welcome back Cincinnati 34. Oh, oh wait, sorry, I forgot almost touchdowns. Well, first of all Jordan Tyson first career Catching. Congratulations. He fumbled at the two yard line. That was disappointing But he didn't play that many snaps and he still was second on the team in targets So good stuff for Jordan Tyson. I have the official snap counts and route percentage rate tomorrow Drake London not a great game Shadow by DJ Turner for much of it But he also drew two pass interference penalties in the end zone. Of course Chase Brown got stopped half yard short of the end zone Tyler Higgby came up a yard short of a touchdown Malik neighbors didn't have a good game. He was shadowed by By all he dropped the touchdown. Yeah, he had flat out flat out dropped it Well, it was a diving catch, but yeah, no, you need to dive He dropped the touch. That was what I was gonna say. He dropped the touchdown almost touchdown for neighbors. I think he did need to dive Shoulder Sanders and Quinch on Judkins got stuffed at the goal line Ash and Gentie did as well Michael mayor had two almost touchdowns He fumbled at the goal line. It was a touchback instead of a touchdown and then he caught a touchdown was called back on offensive pass interference Save your worthy came up a yard short of a touchdown or two yard short of a touchdown You had the Travis Kelsey play that should have been in my home's passing touchdown But it wasn't it was a Kelsey rushing touchdown Ryan Flanoi drew a pass interference penalty in the end zone and at an I Mitchell Zero catches on seven targets almost had a touchdown on a deep ball slightly overthrown That's your cousin's game was maddening absolutely maddening. Yes, Michael mayor had two touchdowns. You said both. Yeah, yes So the two touchdowns then one ends up an interception. He had the stupidest interception I've ever seen coming out of the half Drops of all throws a right to a four-knit defender stupid stupid stupid He should have had a much bigger game Yeah, he had first and goal at the one end up being an interception So very just I think that's what it was right is very disappointing Yeah, the they had a touch push that the only person that pushed was Fred Warner jumping over top and then and then mayor pushes off for the The penalty which was a touchdown which is never called that was just a very takey-tack one and And then he throws the interception trying to hit Tucker in the back band All right since 34 Atlanta 17 always well in Bijan Robinson land when you look at Chase Brown and Drake London Heath with disappointing games today Who would you be more likely to buy low on chase Brown or Drake London? Well, I think you can buy lower on Brown So the cost is certainly part of it, but I am more confident I think that Drake London is going to justify his ADP than I am chase Brown. So I mean I'd rather buy low on Drake London, but it's price dependent if I can get chase Brown really cheap. I still think he's going to be pretty good When's it gonna happen should happen each of the last two weeks when he had a touchdown called back and I've got stopped at the half yard line So damn close. It's it's unbelievable that chase Brown has one touchdown this entire season. It was the first game of the year And last week wasn't even that bad this week was bad because he had the catches this week and only 12 touches this week Yeah, it sucks most of p-rines work came late in the game. He had 11 carries to nine for for Brown I don't know what to say man. I think I still think that I don't know you guys agree or disagree I still think he has a chance to be really good and I think based on the comments we saw this morning when we were broadcasting during the game During the end of the game. I mean people are pissed. They will sell him super low. They do not want chase Brown This is one of the teams that the cults are potentially in discussion with too. Just don't roll out Dropper hold Kyle pits and and keep in mind the next three games for the Falcons or the next three weeks for the Falcons are the chiefs a buy and at Minnesota So might be tough sledding there. Dropper hold Kyle pits Hold After that Vikings game they've got Detroit Cleveland, Washington, Tampa, New Orleans. I know, but that's a five in a row I guess just I can stream another tight end if I wanted to He also had two catches for like almost 40 yards called back by penalty, so when when you're in In this sort of tight end purgatory, right with Laporta and pits You say you'll find someone to stream and I don't think that's the wrong strategy Dave, but like we Recommended right or wrong Several tight ends this week. We do it every week. The position has great match-ups This week Dolce has had the the layup match-up against the Lions Micah Sackie scored a touchdown in every game that he had played in I'm trying to remember who else we talked about this week is you talk up May I rared in you know if there was no hunter-hander right on her Henry at a bridge that had a big game You know, so like these guys have all struggled at times as well and so it's like who you pivoting to? So then you might as well just stick with the tight end with with pits in this example all right next game because well so you got it again I'm not saying that's the right move, but it's it's like there's there's no like guaranteed solution like you know You can say okay, I'm frustrated with Jalen Waddle and I'm gonna pivot to McIleman because I picked him up And I've seen now lemon outperform him over the the the course of three weeks combined right sure forget about the buys Right tie that is harder, but you get the point like you get one of these situations where I have an alternate option that Makes sense like there's just like there's an alternate option that makes sense all right. Let's go to our next game It's Cleveland and the Saints the overtime thriller that came down to a two-point conversion New Orleans 23 Cleveland 22 well What do you think heath about Boston and Concepcion Boston six catches 98 yards on seven targets Concepcion four catches 85 yards in a touchdown on six targets Shoulders anders actually scored 26.7 fantasy points I was wondering if that two-point conversion was the determined who started for the Browns At quarterback next week. No, I think they're both Concepcion and Boston are boom bus number three wide receivers And it's gonna be really hard to guess which weeks are going to be the boom weeks and which weeks are going to be the bust weeks And so it's if you are one of the fortunate people that hasn't had 17 Wide receiver injuries and you didn't draft four busts at the position Then maybe you have the luxury of not starting them sometimes But I think in leagues where it's PPR and you start three wide receivers and a flex You were probably just starting them every week and in leagues where you start two wide receivers and a flex you're hoping you have better options But they do have big upside. This was a good matchup. They took advantage of it And I think it was encouraging To see that they can have success with should or Sanders so if there is a change made because they start losing and we get should or in the second half It's all hope is not lost for these two rookies Okay, Dave. I'm gonna have you talk about Jordan Tyson and Devon Vale and Jamie. I didn't watch the game I don't know enough about it. Okay about either one Well, I think it's encouraging that that Jordan Tyson. I think I saw he ran. Let me see how many Routes he ran he ran 16. No, that's something the first few quarters. Sorry about that that he didn't play a normal snap share, right? So Jordan Tyson they eased him in he played 35% of the snaps. He had a 31.3% target per-out run rate That's awesome now like Marvin Harris and junior was doing that too It's you know for two games with the Texans. Yeah, if you're just getting played when they want to throw it to you That's a little higher. Yeah, but he he was second on the team in targets Jordan Tyson and he did that on 35% of the routes So my opinion is I can drop Vale and Johan Johnson you know And and just hang on John maybe one of the tight ends that you've been with us. He had two targets today He didn't do anything. I know I know but yeah, yeah, we'll hold on to Tyson. All right Jamie watch that so Camara and estimate estimate five percent rostered 15 carries 72 yards in a touchdown He had one catch Camara only nine touches on this game Yeah, first training for Camara, you know, we'll see if Travis H and comes back Camara had scored at least 13 ppr points three of the four games the first four games that H and miss coming into today It was pretty clear that they wanted to get a better running downs Running back and they did that with estimate. He had a better game then I think anybody of the Saints the entire season certainly better than anything Kendra Miller did So estimate somebody who we talked about this this morning that has a history with this team He had been with them last year. So Kellen Moore had a, you know, understanding who he was he was in camp with them He goes to Cleveland. He out. He clearly had an understanding of his defense too So he was just on their practice squad So there was a lot of, you know, tie ends and familiarity here To, you know, make estimate a decent desperation play today any outperform that Moving forward, we'll see what happens when H and back My guess is is that it's more of a estimate H and backfield and Camara sort of mixing in and then if H and still out Camara will be the the second option But if H and is still out estimate is going to be a borderline flex When you ask the question about waivers, he should have been one of the first names. I'm sorry. Should have been there And he's got the match up against Caroline is good after Carolina. They've got Chicago Cincinnati Cincinnati's might not be too bad green Bay after that Caroline again after that Okay, it's a good little run I made a lot of dumb decisions today, but I just want to say that I did pick up Audrey, Audrey Gestemy and the big burger dynasty league this morning and started him and won because we're a nail bite or two, you know, it was a nail bite or it. Oh, I was watching down to the last like, we both had three guys playing in the fourth quarter. And thankfully, everybody pulled all the starters. So all right. Let's go to the chiefs and the jets and the chiefs with the win here. Close game for about a half and then they pulled away. Final score 35 to 12. So Dave, talk about Adam and I Mitchell and Omar Cooper, Jr. Mitchell, no catches on seven targets. Cooper started in 30% of leagues and eight catches for 58 yards on 11 targets. And as long as was 16, so kind of work that underneath role that we talked about this morning as something that would work for him as a replacement for Garrett Wilson. But Adam and I Mitchell had two targets inside the five, a deep target and a 19 yard catch called back. And that was just the first quarter. And so I don't know if they just got frustrated. I don't know if the chiefs decided to just play a lot more of, you know, high coverage shells to keep him under wraps. And that might have opened things up for Omar Cooper to get double digit targets. But it's super frustrating that he wasn't able to put up a decent game. Despite getting all the targets that he's had, and we came into this week talking about how one out of every four routes, this dude's getting a target from Geno Smith and not quite that rate today, but pretty close to it overall. It's just annoying that he didn't have a catch. I don't know what you do with him moving forward. All right. Well, they have the bills next week. And let's just hope Garrett Wilson can come back and play. I mean, it won't be good for Adam and I Mitchell, but we'd like to see Garrett Wilson back out there. And we've talked about the chiefs that think Kelsey, my home should have had a better game. He played well, started in sort 74% of leagues and we'll check in on the injury. Dallas 27 Indianapolis 13. This game was a was a fun finish. And the Cowboys, they dominated the total yards in this game. It was insane. If we could pull that up, it was it was so one side at a time of possession was very one side, but yeah, I mean, it's kind of like a kind of a normal game, right? I mean, Dac did well and Lam was great. Javante had a great game. Like love the four catches from Javante. Flenoi, you know, if Pickens misses another game, are we going to go back to the Flenoi well heath? He had two catches for 53 yards. He was started in 39% of leagues. So I was looking to see they've got the 49ers next week. They do accurate. Yeah. I think Flenoi will probably be in the KC conception, Denzel, Boston portion of the rankings. Probably not a borderline wide receiver two, probably more of a borderline wide receiver three. And three targets is a season low for him. Like worst possible timing for him. He's already four times. It's sad. I'm sad about it. And you needed like a deep heave late in the fourth quarter for Flenoi to get his second catch and to get you to like seven PPR points, which is what he did today. He had one catch the first three and a half quarters. Did George Pickens get penalized for coming out of the field? Is that what happened? I believe so. He wasn't even active and he came out to celebrate at the end like toward the end. I think you got flagged for it. Like come on, dude. By the way, Jake Ferguson left with an injury. So that you know, we'll keep it in that one for the Colts. What do we think about Jonathan Taylor? Since they've traded Quentin Nelson, Quentin and Tornado. I mean, it's been really bad. Last week was just a total blowout. This game was more competitive, but 13 carries 46 yards. He did have five catches for 18 yards. Last week, he scored 6.7 fantasy points at Jacksonville. But Jamie, are you concerned if he stays with the Colts, you concerned about Jonathan Taylor? Yeah, I mean, this is a bad environment. I think the fact that he couldn't get going against Dallas. And then obviously losing the touchdown to McGowan is not cool. But you know, the one thing about this is like, you got to wonder where his head's at because it's now been multiple weeks, at least two, maybe three of, hey, you're going to get traded or we're going to trade you or you might get traded is, you know, I think his wife was going on social media, you know, talking about the scenarios and how frustrating it's been for their family. So this just all has to, you know, lend itself to not being in the most optimal shape from a mental standpoint. I still think if he's locked into whatever team he's playing for, you would like it at this point to be another team for at least for this season that you'll still get great value out of it. So if you're trying to make a trade to buy Jonathan Taylor because the Taylor manager is frustrated and maybe not thinking he's going to get trade because I think this points probably 50/50. There's based on what you're hearing that the Colts aren't happy with their compensation. Now he did sort of give a farewell to the media, you know, to sending apples through the media today. Post game, you know, I think it was just more like, hey, if I'm traded, you know, I appreciate everything the city's done for me, etc. I would prefer though, if I'm a Jonathan Taylor manager, I am in a couple leagues that he's playing for a different franchise for at least the rest of the season. Okay. And yeah, you mentioned the McGowan touchdown. I didn't see this but I read about it. I guess Jonathan Taylor shoe fell off and he had to leave the field and McGowan got the touchdown. So that's got you. That's some bad luck, right? That's rough. Did anyone see that? I did not. Yeah, I saw Ian Hartitz tweet about it. I saw a few other people tweet about it. I think his shoe came off. Denver 26, Carolina 21. We've had a pretty big recap of this game here. But Jonah Coleman started the week, Jamie, and the, you know, the efficiency wasn't there. But boy, did he dominate touches and he got the touchdown. He had four catches. You happy with Jonah Coleman? Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, two games of him being the featured guy and two games of him having amazing fantasy production. So you hope that they're not the team that acquires Jonathan Taylor because that would ruin him or whatever you think of maybe RJ Harvey when he comes back and Jacob Dom at some point. But it's pretty clear that Jonah Coleman, since Sean Payton said we have to get him more work after the Kent City game, that's definitely been the case each of the last two weeks. So very nice to see him come through and be productive. Yeah, he's a very good number to running back for as long as he's in this role. So if we're keeping score, Sean Payton's one in one. He was way off on Jalen Waddle, but he's absolutely dead on on Coleman. He had a or a course role that a man 82% of the snaps, nine of 10 snaps on third down. He had some awesome past protection reps as well. Three of three snaps inside the five. This is not, we want, we want Denver to keep him as their main guy. Easily. Here's a comment from the chat. I'm so glad I sold my Panthers shares. So is that how we're feeling? I mean, look, green Bay is a tough defense. Their last three games have been Tampa Bay, green Bay, and Denver, right? So Tampa Bay, the world's next week will be easier. Yeah. I mean, if you, if you flipped Koker, McMillan, Chubba's obviously still been great. This was, I think his worst game of the season, fantasy wise. Bryce Young, if you flipped those guys when they were playing at their best, you did a great job. They still may be very good rest of season, but you did a great job. So Jimmy, 2689, if you turn those guys into great players rest of season, congratulations. They still have Tampa Bay again. They have Minnesota. They have Seattle and week 18. Pittsburgh is a tough matchup. Yeah, sorry, week 17. It's what I meant. It's kind of a big deal. But they do have the scenes twice. It's not a great schedule for them going forward. It's not great. It doesn't mean they can't be good. Like, Bryce Young was good today. All right. Are you, any, just real quick, you got to pick up Darren Waller, 14% roster. Against New Orleans next week, he's probably toward the back end of that streamer discussion. 10 targets today. Eight catches, 90 yards. Well, it will be full gold because he had a two touchdown game early this season and then did nothing really for the remainder of the stretch until today. How many games this year, does he have two or fewer targets? I'm looking it up right now. Four. Yeah. I mean, he came into this game on a three game streak of two targets. Now, one of those targets ended up being a 50 yard touchdown. That was in that game against Tampa that they got their butts whipped in. I'd be surprised if the type of target volume he got today was something that we saw weekly from Waller. Rams 20 commanders 13, Stafford with another bad game. 13 to two fantasy points. I counted five off target throws from him today. There's clearly something affecting him in his arm and they talked about it. The elbow is sore, but it's kind of a problem. I know that everybody who has Pugna Coole loves it. And he did have some good throws, but there were some other throws as interception was off target. It's just kind of something's up. No doubt. You throw 43 times against the commanders and you, and you do this score 13 point six point, whatever it was, fantasy points. I mean, that is, is that the worst game? No, Daniel Jones was worse against the commanders. Tanner McKee was worse against the commanders. That's the company. Stafford's in terms of commanders up. He'll be jobable if Pugna's out. Yeah. This is under six yards per attempt. All right. We talked about the running backs there. Pugna's awesome. Terrence Ferguson's going to miss a few weeks. It seems he pulled his hamstring. So ugly situation there and not like not an obvious guy to get if Pugna misses time. They have a, they have a game this week against Arizona and then they have a buy in week 11. On the other side of the ball. Yeah, he, how do you feel about Jaden Daniels? He has like something like less than 50 combined rushing yards in his last [BLANK_AUDIO] three games after going for over 100 rushing yards against the Giants four weeks ago. I mostly think that I want to buy low on him. This is coming off of a not very good game, I guess. The schedule gets quite a bit easier coming up for the next month or so, and it's kind of mixed after that. He's still, like, if he runs for 25 yards of game, I think he's going to do enough as a passer to be a top eight-ish guy. Do you worry about what happens if he takes on a smaller injury and they fall out of playoff contention? Not any more than I do all the other players who seems are much closer to falling. I guess they're pretty close to. Yeah. I don't really think about that in week nine. I just wonder if we're not overlooking the McLaren thing. It's a problem, you know, it's a big play threat that's not there and Rashad White was horrible today. He had two fumbles. He had a 45-yard catch. That was a nice play. Yeah. And the second fumble, I mean, if you're just looking at the box score, two fumbles, one loss for Rashad White. The second one was on the last play of the game, which for whatever reason, they didn't throw to the end zone. So stupid. Yeah. They're pretty good at these late game situations. How about the past before there's eight seconds left and he throws it like a dart just short of the end zone where if somebody had caught it, that would have been the game. Yeah. Like, why are you putting you guys up in the ball in the ring zone either time ready to get fooled by Chico Conquo again? We won't get fooled again, he's actually. He's a low end. I do too. And I think Daniel's like, yeah, giant's being giant's bingles cardinals. Giants aren't a great matchup. I don't think. I don't know. I'm not sure. But they're not one yet to run away from. I don't think. No, you're you're buying in because Daniel's tends to throw to his tie-downs a lot. That's what he did today. They couldn't run the ball really well today, and they didn't even try. All right. Hopefully that's something like that next week. I actually. I would like to move on, but I think it'd be a disservice if we didn't talk about Antonio Williams. Three catches on 25, three catches on six targets for 25 yards, whereas Van Jefferson had a big game. Five for 58 and it touched down on seven targets. Stefan Diggs had a late catch for like a chunk play, but he was pretty bad today. I don't know, man, disappointing. Oh, David. I don't think this offense is really good. All right. There you go, Detroit 19 Miami three, 19 Miami nine, Miami nine, sorry. Yeah, don't shortchange the dolphins. That's my fault. Three field goals, baby. Miami nine. Yeah, that's Detroit. 19 Miami three field goals is what I meant to say. Thank you. I mean, what the hell, Jared Goff, five point three fantasy points, what are we? For those of you that are big Empire Records fans, what am I going to do with this guy? But Jared Goff, start him, you're good with him? Yeah. I mean, the body of work in his time in Detroit is worth buying into that you just overlook a whole bad game, especially outdoors. You know, so this is his last outdoor game, what until he plays the Bears on week 17? Was it super hot today, by the way? Can we give that as an excuse? It's very hot today. Sometimes I remember when I was a kid of the dolphins used to love these games at home in November. Yeah, all year basically. It's super hot. These teams are next week is Green Bay and I'm sorry Detroit in Germany. No, Detroit's got the Patriots in Germany. I'm sorry, Patriots in Germany. Yeah. Ooh, that's fun. No. And the Packers just lit up that team. Yeah. Got some good singing next week. All right. I'm good here. Let's go to our next game. I think it's pretty obvious though with Ali Gordon that you've got to be careful of this, this where they're trailing situation. If they're playing rate offense because he just he has seven catches this year. So you know, we've seen this two weeks in a row now, a ton of carries, but against good run. The scenario is like a good run defense and a good offense against Ali Gordon. It's just like a ton of carries, but bad fantasy production next week's next week is the Colts should be better. Giants 19 Eagles 11. So they said on the broadcast that the Eagles went to Jalen Milro. I didn't know it was because of the crack rib for Joe Melton, Joe Melton. Yeah, my bad. Joe Milton. I don't know if it's just the crack rib for Tanner McKee, but they went to him because basically he's more like Jalen Hertz and they felt with the offense they installed that Joe Milton made more sense. That's exactly what the Giants did with McCarthy for dark. He's just not that good, unfortunately. He missed open guys quite a bit. He was eight. He had no feel in the pocket. They just were our ball reset a day. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I think 12 tablets. 4th fumble. Yeah. Great day. One of the very biggest reasons the Giants are 5, 2 and 1 rookie pick, rookie linebacker. Anyway, like what's take Devante Smith heath because right now I'm winning the bet. Devante Smith is averaging it's currently tight. It's not currently tied. I'm winning. It's currently tied. Whatever. He's winning per game like he's averaging over 17 points per game. How many points per game do you think will average if he let's say he comes back after the buy comes back on week 11? 13. Yeah. Maybe 14, probably 13. He does tend to fit into Milton's skill set better than most of the other receivers in Philadelphia. Okay. On the Giants side, Eddie wants to know if we're going to talk about Singletary. He puts in all caps. Single yard per carry. Heaths on one tonight. This was horrible. Wow. Yes. Really bad. Really bad. But if you told me he was going to drop in 23 touches, how do you sit that? No, you can't. And he dominated playing time as well. You can't. Exhibit A. Well, you might, you might now, but going into today if you were told 23 touches in this world. We saw it. Now we said it. Yeah. If you take away as long as Ronnie average less than a yard of carry, it's bad. Yeah. They need to trade for any running back, but they're playing Thursday. So it's not. They'll use somebody else on Thursday, but then after that, it's no, no, I mean, it's not a guarantee that scataboo will be back. It's a short week. No, I understand. Yeah. Start him. He's going to be free. He's going to be flirt with the top 24. You know it. If scataboo's out. All right. We got four 14th on a buy again next week. Four teams on a buy. Houston 44, Chargers 22. I feel like I didn't get this score, right? Is that really what this was? No, that's the score. Okay. And it wasn't as close as the game as the score suggested. No. I mean, what do marks in Devin Singletary have a lot in common? What do marks gets 19 touches every week? Don't ditch us back. What do you mean? Yeah. What do you almost had for yards of carry? I know, but it's every week. He gets, he gets 18 19 stitches. He does nothing. We're very little with it. All right. Let's talk about Nico Collins. He ran 80% of the routes in the first three quarters of the game. That's unofficial, but it'll be close to that. And he had one of the best catches of the year for a touchdown. But Jamie, I don't know. I can't feel that great about it. CJ Stroud goes out and has one of the best games of his career and Nico Collins gets four damn targets. We said this last week, right? That we may have it or the last time they played it. We might have a Nico Collins problem that there's just mouths to feed that are better than the supporting cast he's had. And Tank Del, you know, great to see him do what he did today. That's just an awesome story, you know, to see him score touchdown and have as many opportunities as he did today. I think you're seeing, you know, previously was jailing the well before the injury. Now, today was Casey on booty and Xavier Hutchinson getting involved clearly, Dalton Schultz is still a little bit of a factor, maybe not a good fantasy option, but still somebody that is part of this passing attack and something that's going to help, help CJ Stroud. So I think just in the case of Nico Collins, I think we talked about this on Wednesday. He's a good by-law candidate because he's part of this offense that is throwing the ball well and struggling to run the ball and still a defense that I know look great today, but we know has been a little suspect when they face good opponents. So I would want to roster Nico Collins. I'm going to start Nico Collins. I'm just not going to treat Nico Collins as he's a set it and forget it. Top 10 receiver. If I have other guys playing well that are in some good spots that are consistently getting targets. Like you're not starting Caleb Douglas over him, for example, just tying to somebody we talked about earlier. But Luther Burton, for example, should be started over Nico Collins pretty consistently at this point. What about Ted O'Roy McMillan? Given the schedule that they have, I probably was still in Nico, but you're getting to the teens and the receivers, I think that's where he belongs. Would you rather have Nico Collins or Chase Brown rest of season? That's so hard to run. You have to get work. So I would take Chase Brown. Get work in good offense. It's not that I'm single there. All right. Would you rather have Nico Collins or the. three running backs for the chargers. Their fantasy points combined every week. (laughing) - Nico Calt. - Big day for a Marin hat this day. - 13. - Big run late in the game. - Tanked out, by the way, had nine freaking targets. Four catches, 105 yards in a touchdown on nine targets. Look good on that deep touchdown. - The first touchdown on the, yeah. - Pretty awesome, man. He's 22. - Why did they trade for Marv? - 'Cause he's a monster. - 'Cause CJ Stroud asked him to. - Yeah, right. This franchise just does whatever CJ Stroud wants, it seems. - All right, well, listen, he's 20. - He gave up a second form. We'll talk about Tank Dell on Tuesday. Green Bay 45, New England 27. And I guess you could say it wasn't that close. It was the domination by the Packers, Matthew Golden and Christian Watson were amazing. Jordan Love is the best. Kay and the Johns. - All the late games were not that close. - Yeah, yeah, they all stunk. Tucker Kraft, I mean, look, Tucker Kraft scored 11.6 or more points in four of the last five games going into this one. He scores 1.1 fantasy points. It's just, it just happens. They do get Minnesota next week. 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