Week 9 Fantasy Football Reaction: Players YOU Want to Hear About! Matthew Golden, Chase Brown & More (11/9 Fantasy Football Podcast)

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check for you what's up jacob hey hey that was a fun game last night it was no one was about that not for dan not for dan but i had fun with it no it was fun i just needed more from caleb and it looked at first like it was going to be a caleb week and then it just totally devolved i know that was weird by the way welcome everyone to fantasy football today presented by hymns whatever is holding you back hymns has a real plan for you to play fantasy football today we're going to be playing fantasy football today for it be confident be him dan is a 92 favorite i need like 38 points from dj more and khalil shakir full ppr and they're only facing minnesota so no big deal yeah um but you know chicago was facing tampa yeah chicago actually only scored what 20 points on offense right the defensive touchdown so um it was unbelievable the first quarter and a half for caleb williams dan just alluded to it this guy was rolling he threw four interceptions in the game and um yeah ended up with 16.8 fantasy points both of these teams are going into a buy so time for luther burden to get healthy as he's in the concussion protocol but yeah so it was a it was a fun game jacob what were your big takeaways in this one i mean i'm i'm really really impressed with bucky irving that he just continues to be an offensive engine like i thought chicago's defense showed up and played really really well again um but still we have to be careful with this huge bucky game 20 of 25 running back rush attempts go to bucky in the game and we see five targets as well in a game where they actually do drop back to pass a little bit um saw some nice throws from baker so that feels good that um maybe he's gonna be fine they they get a buy this week that seems really well timed for him for hopefully a mecca buka to come out with a little bit more juice um for me too because my goodness he's had to handle a ton of work over the past month so nice that he gets a well-earned rest here and i think it's going to and then chicago i mean it felt like maybe the worst game i've seen of caleb over the like since the start of last year um and uh and specifically it was bad for the whole offense because he kept turning the ball over so they didn't have like as like sometimes we see this offense produce a ton of plays and then all these guys can eat and deandre swift obviously lost out in this game and loveland didn't have a good game but to me it was really encouraging that we still got pretty good games for the receivers luther burden man i i did a hot takes episode this morning with griminger i do this every uh monday on beyond the box score and i'm like he's like he's not as good as puka nakua necessarily like obviously puka's insane and at some stuff that we just haven't i don't think luther has the physicality to do um but effectively for fantasy it's the closest we really have to puka where he's getting this like rushy rice like yak and he actually gets stuff down the field except a little bit different than puka and rice is he gives you these plays where he can break it away for 50 freaking yards dude he's so explosive yeah since caleb williams came back four games luther burden is the number eight receiver per game it's higgins chase puka jsn lamb golden davante smith that's that might be one game i'm not even sure and maybe two and luther burden is is ahead is eighth ahead of neighbors saint brown christian watson dj moore etc but you know this is beyond the box score and so we have to look at things with him and if he can be a top 10 wide receiver jacob i don't know if there's ever i mean this is a crazy thing to say i just don't know but a guy who runs two-thirds of the routes does not finish as a top 12 wide receiver now i feel like route participation rates are are lower than than they normally are and again i don't know that i just feel like there aren't that many guys that are playing 90 plus percent of the routes like nico collins is a big victory for him and yeah right we'll talk about him later um but he's been a victim of that for a lot of his career but i feel like it's more extreme this year but but i don't know like like right now rashid rice is playing two-thirds of the routes i think that's because of injury but luther burden 66 of the routes basically are right around there three straight weeks and he's just crushing it it would be weird if he stays in that range and does this well um so i don't know those are the types of things we have to consider with with luther burden if he can keep it up i've heard that though i feel like the entire season and i don't know if he's going to be able to keep it up i don't know if and it just hasn't mattered like the last i talked about this with jacob on last week's episodes it just there were a couple trade offers on thursday's show we were asked about when it comes to burden and i would just didn't want to give up the burden side he felt like the best player in the deal to me because when he is involved in the route he typically tends to be not just the reader the target but like the player who has the ability like jacob said to break a big play after the catch also has some vertical ability to his game i don't even feel like he's fully been unlocked yet um so that's my takeaway i also say that jacob's ability to break a big play after the catch this room of dunes is playing better football he had the frustrating drop but he made up for it um just seems like he's winning in ways that i always thought he could win at coming out of washington but they didn't necessarily click with him and caleb earlier in their career those are probably the two biggest takeaways from the bear side the buck side i like wait hold on we gotta stay on the bear side dan because i want to get your thoughts on deandre swift deandre swift uh let me get the numbers for you here because this was obviously a horrible game 12 carries for 31 yards didn't have a catch and he's averaged 2.9 yards per carry in his last four games and if you wanted to sell high on deandre swift it's too late things are going to change but non-guy is going to be back i i would assume after the buy i don't know that for an absolute fact but i would think but non-guy is coming back he did practice a little bit this past week and i think they're expecting him back and he's just look he's had somewhat of a tough schedule the last four games atlanta is not a tough matchup but then new england seattle tampa bay these are tough run defenses but he is running very poorly he has a very low explosive play rate that could change of course but i you know but non-guy was better than him the first four games of the year he averaged but non-guy averaged almost a full yard per carry more um swift fumbled in this game but he was down by contact and he had some fumble got benched for fumbling earlier this year so where he at on swift anyone i thought you're asking dan i think that's fair to bring up the fumbles and if monaga is able to get back then uh that would hurt swift and could even we saw at work from swift monaga is really good i'm nervous about monaga's health i mean like i don't know if they call it turpto officially but like kind of feels like something that might just keep lingering i'm not too worried about swift really not this week doesn't really change much to me um this offense is a wagon this happened to be a very weird game but like it looked like going into like through the first i don't know 20 minutes of the game looked like they're about to score 40 again against a top three defense in the league and it's like i just want the running back on that team i mean giovante williams ain't perfect like karen karen williams this is work to play quorum um if you are on in that situation you're going to score more often than not uh also i think there's the potential it could be even better than it's been the run game is not working this year for whatever reason it's the same exact pieces just it's literally all the exact same pieces as last year i just feel like to me like two of the three matt yeah colcomat but maybe making a difference but i think just think two of the four teams you just mentioned adam like the tampa buccaneers they have that run for that pass funnel run funnel defense like you even saw it coming out what did ben johnson do he ran play action after play action after play action he'd even try to run into this defense until later in the game um just came out so pass heavy over expectation because that's how you play the bucks and against seattle you you're not going to run the football either i would like to buy on swift if i can right now uh maybe he'll lose some of the touchdowns i'm a non-guy but this is a team that runs the ball in the red zone still very well um i think they lead the nfl in rushing touchdowns among all teams. So to me, even after last week, scoring any i like i would buy swift right now all right by the way there was this play also from romo dunzey you mentioned that he dropped a touchdown um and then he caught one like the next play but i didn't see this one until this morning i missed this last night let me full screen it for you here um look at dunzey at the 19 yard line that's another touchdown that he dropped oh the one that did the caleb threw hot in there yeah that was a walk-in touchdown yeah right i mean come on man it wasn't the best throw it so let me be clear it was a good throw it hit him right in the hands but it was came into so much velocity that like the minute he turned his head the ball was on his hands which it still should be caught but it's just it's a it's a little tough okay bucks takeaways dan what what uh what did you want to say about that also we love your haircut i just saw in the comments of first of all the last week was officially the worst hair day in the history of recorded podcast and that goes across the board sports entertainment anything you no man should ever show up the way i did last friday but i did and i and i recovered from it this weekend now with that said um what i wanted to say is i thought jacob made a great point i was really encouraged by the way baker threw the football i was skeptical going into this game where the hell is his health at with his thumb are we gonna have a season where he just can't throw the ball accurately at any point because of his thumb and i felt like he in a large part got you know it wasn't perfect obviously but for the most part he quelled those concerns and moving forward i wonder if he's going to be able to do that again i don't know i don't know i don't know if if we can start to get something going with this passing game um because he looked okay in this game the o-line is playing great football they have like jacob said an engine in their offense which is bucky irving and the run blocking so i wonder if we're going to start to see some big shot plays off play action we saw one in this game and maybe we'll see a few more of those as we move forward um obviously ted hearst has good health they have they have players who we need to see more from mcbuka but i felt came away from this game pretty encouraged about the bucks pass game okay so like three passing touchdowns so far this year uh yeah that's crazy he did have a career a season high in passing yards and hopefully better times are ahead and this team the bears by the way they've been really good at stopping number one wide receivers however they were missing one of their top two cornerbacks and then his replacement tyreek stevenson left with a thumb injury so i thought it would be a better game for abuka um jeffrey simmons chasing him down on a wide receiver screen was pretty wild uh but he was invisible who was what invincible invisible like i didn't know if you're talking about simmons or abuka no that's my thing with abuka is like early in the season at least we saw him be very very emphasized he had freaking 16 targets in a game yeah um this one either he's not healthy or they're just not doing that anymore they're not forcing it to him i'm not really sure um hopefully he's healthier coming out of the bike because they get detroit out of the buy and they get carolina after that and the chargers let's go by the way tomorrow please join us for an ama ask me anything but it's mostly about the waiver wire at 11 a.m eastern on the bleacher report app so turn on your fantasy alerts on the bleacher report app and i think it's me jamie and heath tomorrow we're doing an ama at 11 a.m eastern please join us for that uh we had a lot of fun doing it last week we'd like to continue growing that audience we will see you at 11 a.m eastern on tuesday on the bleacher report app for a fantasy ama and now it's time for he's him sponsored by hymns there's the guy you are right now and there's the guy you could be whatever's holding you back hymns has a real plan for it be confident be him and dan there's the guy you are right now and there's the guy you'll never be and that's matthew golden you will never be as good as matthew golden at football sorry at anything in life it's just quite frankly you will be the guy who believed in matthew golden though that there really aren't that there aren't that many of them okay dan yet sadly despite my belief i got outbid on him in every single league i still don't know i have one share of matthew golden this year this is actually stunning but i did believe in him and he clearly continues to play great football he's open all the time he didn't drop as many passes this week as we're used to seeing and drop any yeah he didn't drop any right and then um it really is the connection with him and jordan love it's truly phenomenal i was looking it up i was talking before the podcast with brandon uh one of our editors on the fantasy team and i've like the way when you watch jordan love play football it feels like it's just effortless aaron rogers-esque throwing the football he doesn't need to be squared doesn't have his feet set he doesn't really use lower body to drive the ball and i looked it up and then i saw it he was 95th percentile in hand size at quarterback at the combine i really do believe strongly in hand size i'm gonna become a hand size truther because i just see it play out way too often and the ability to throw the football um and so i think that connection continues jacob you talked about it with me last week do we see a different green bay packers coming out like are they going to start to lean more running the ball or are they going to start to lean more running the heavy like we have seen them in the past maybe the jacobs injury changed things to some extent but no i don't think so i think they're at the point where they are a pass first team and they're trusting jordan love to really drive the football and drive them to wins and victories so this team super exciting if you have any of these players i saw savion williams as a potential pickup going into last week and i i feel like he still remains somebody i would want on the back end of my benches maybe an injury contingency player but also just someone they seem to be getting more involved one on a vertical route this week obviously we're going to see a lot of people watson and and golden continue to dominate so yeah cool yeah and you know what i can't wait for their matchup against the vikings in week 10 i think jordan love is going to have a great game i know interesting but i think he's going to be really good you think he's just going to beat the blitz i do you know i vikings and i think he had a very i went back and watched a couple weeks ago i watched his tape against the vikings i forgot who the vikings were playing i think it was a lot in preparation of the lions game and just how he did it and and he just had a very mature approach he just he beat the blitz and and he scored uh scored over 20 fantasy points in that game um and that was he's him sponsored by hymns be prepared be strong be confident be him ready to be him visit hymns.com to get personalized affordable care that's h-i-m-s.com we're going to take a quick break we'll come back with some major news updates on quarterbacks after this so mavericks fans november basketball is heating up in dallas and there's nothing like experiencing the excitement live at american airline center get ready for high-flying dunks incredible plays and the electric atmosphere that only mavericks basketball can deliver bring your family grab your friends and be part of the action as the mavs take on the nba's best don't just watch the highlights be there when they happen get your november game tickets now at mavs.com slash tickets let's go mavs one of america's top true crime podcast 48 hours is back with a new season join us every monday for a new episode and tuesdays for a deep dive into that episode with post-mortem he said quote if they're gonna die i'm gonna see them die plus hear episodes from the 48 hours archive wednesdays and thursdays follow and listen to 48 hours wherever you get your podcasts and subscribe to 48 hours plus on apple podcast or add free listening okay well let's uh which quarterback is dan gonna be watching thursday night at metlife stadium looks like it's gonna be jj mccarthy who has a hip issue but they're optimistic he'll be ready to go you coming adam i don't bring the hand sanitizer if you are i really want to of course um i'll bring alcohol wipes for the seats that's the only alcohol you'll be consuming that night yeah i don't know i'm really busy i get so stressed like don't you get stressed like you got all this work to do yeah it's but i get one hour block that's gone on thursday i get one game a year i get to go for the giants essentially any night game only um and it can't be sunday night so it's like i i just want to take advantage of that i think the stadium is gonna be rocking too like some of the best energy we've found in that stadium in a long long time and they're gonna lose anyway wow yeah i think they're gonna lose jj mccarthy like you can't keep winning all these one-store games every why not jj mccarthy uh should play cam scatter boo will play patrick mahomes does not have a serious injury i think he's trending in the right direction direction to play at atlanta malik will this is one that kind of annoys me right malik willis playing through a groin injury i didn't know the severity of it i heard on the broadcast yesterday the broadcaster was saying oh yeah you can tell he's hampered by this groin injury i mean he was listed as a full participant with he was listed on the injury report but he was a full participant all week uh this is malik willis here and he and he didn't really run against um detroit it's like we just can't downgrade guys who are listed as full participants that is just never someone that we're like oh yeah he's hurt yeah you got mcconkey with the back exactly like real quick can we just talk about the fact that charters keep finding ways to get to new lows so what i found so what i read about lab mcconkey yeah okay he he didn't even play the back spasms were pre-game right so on sunday night i thought he got hurt early in the first quarter he didn't even play he was why didn't we know about this it's unreported that's what i'm saying like it's literally the worst possible like fantasy outcome i can even imagine here for this team where it's like it's been a complete mess all year they do this just fire everybody what are we doing and now justin erbert has a fractured left hand like it's a nightmare over there the backfield is literally like a true three-way split where it's like everybody gets 10 to 13 touches no more than that everybody plays you know 30 to 40 of snaps no more than that it's like the worst possible outcome or fantasy you cannot sell elmer and hampton enough right now no i i can't believe i had to start him against you oh it's amazing i know i've had to start him in a league too it's like it's my last flex all right i got some trades to talk about to update you in a minute here uh okay uh justin herbert with the hand injury as you mentioned the chargers by the way they scored a touchdown a deep ball to quentin johnston that stopped a streak of 37 straight possessions without a touchdown wow it's truly insane for the team like with that with that amount of talent at quarterback but i get this question a lot what is the real issue with the chargers i literally took 25 minutes explaining it to my friend last night it's like wait you want me to talk about every single aspect of the team because that's the issue literally every single thing did you see nate tice's explanation no i was so this was really interesting uh you know he said like there's a lot of things right like there's offensive line issues and and herbert's just playing poorly making these bad rows but one of the things he said was he called he called it a little bit of a mistake but he said it was a little bit of a mistake but it was a little bit of a square peg round hole thing with the way justin herbert throws the football like with this short passing game i completely agree it really worked the way it did with tua that's exactly right and that's exactly what was it's why it's so stupid and i'm mad at myself for thinking this would work because that's what happened at oregon with herbert he was in a completely wrong system for his skill set as a vertical thrower and he had tons of bad games and he had that final bad game where he threw it to back the ends and everyone's like this quarterback prospect sucks and then all of a sudden like he found it with greg roman who has more even even we can say or just other coordinators who have more of a vertical approach that's part of it i think but it's not the whole thing because herbert's just not playing good nothing is the whole thing um by the way yeah but that's a good take dairy daryl says uh i've got 25 minutes jacob i hate this team so much i just think i'll take you through game by game exactly how it all broke down we did it on the show or it's like that one game there's like five minutes and then it's like different plays that were completely ridiculous where it's like throw to david joku wide open here you go interception like yeah it's just been ridiculous all right so we got the browns sticking with deshaun watson at quarterback and we've got drew lock likely to start he does have i think it's an oblique injury he's injured though he does have an oblique injury i think he's apparently likely to start this week but let's not let's put that in pencil sam darnold has been ruled out for week 10 at las vegas uh at running back we don't know anything right now about stevenson or jacobs but we do know that cam scataboo is apparently going to be full go and i was tempted to call him a start this week cam scataboo but that commander's run defense has still been really damn good even though they've lost two defensive tackles and that giant's run offense was horrible so against the eagles so i'm not quite yeah i wouldn't call him a starter yeah he's he's a he's probably like there aren't 24 running backs you've caught yeah yeah you'll play him if you have him because of that but uh we got the luther birding concussion we're waiting for an update on puka this could be obviously fantasy world altering stuff and jaylen waddle concussion so the two guys with concussions waddle and burden they're both going into their buy and i haven't seen an update on omar cooper jr i will give you an update on the trades though the jets are are sending safety andre cisco to the lions for a sixth round pick i think i read today that the lions are like fourth best in points per game in their last four weeks or something like that yeah and the only really good offense they've faced though in that stretch is green bay they did whole green beta 20 ish points somewhere around there um all right so so the lions getting a safety and the jaguars are getting saints uh defensive lineman devon god chow yeah after already trading for baits and they traded for jesse bates as well so the jaguars are really upgrading their defense and that just makes me even more nervous about tony pollard this week pollard is someone that i think the game's going to be script's going to be so bad against jacksonville i'm a little nervous about him this week even though he's coming off such a great stretch here um okay so that's it for now for the for the news and notes all right today we're instead of doing big topics today we're just talking about players so i said which players do you want us to discuss we'll talk about the seahawks backfield we'll talk about antonio williams and might as well talk about jayden daniels as well what happened with him in this game we'll talk about breese hall uh the houston wide receivers that's a big topic jared golf chase brown and if we have time darren waller uh okay jacob snap crack snap counts other things like that where do you want to start um yeah i think jordan tyson coming back is interesting he didn't play a whole lot but they definitely made an emphasis to get him the ball um half of his routes came in the slot he had just a 35 percent route rate overall but good to see him back on the field um his average depth of target was just two yards so like omar cooper jr kind of met us in my role this week but he was at least a full-time player um they also got their left tackle back so uh that's good i didn't know when banks would be back um i don't know he's the uh shuck got pressure a lot so shuck held the ball a little bit too long i'm still a little bit apprehensive to buy like fully into what we saw from the saints early in the season but i do wonder if it might be coming at some point um jonah coleman complete bell cow locked in him and bucky every both like just it's they're just locked in like it's been uh up and down week to week because of with bucky with like they can't just give him 40 touches so kenny gainwell gets a lot of touches and it looks like it's split but i think it was really encouraging to see him be locked in as the the clear starter in this game um similarly i don't know where we'll be on this because i i haven't heard an update on the knee injury maybe you have a bit remand you had a freaking 97 percent snap right in the first half i thought that was really interesting because they had been splitting this um but cory kiner cory kiner got seven or eight carries in the fourth quarter like after remandre was out um it was an 86 percent snap rate 62 percent route rate for remandre before the injury i don't know where they'll be at if remandre's out like kiner and lan larrison i guess um which is i mean total sicko stuff like if you've been around in the you know pre-season and and draft like deep deep draft weeds like you you're probably psyched about this but otherwise henderson returns like i didn't see sure i guess but it's multiple it seems weird i don't know who knows at this point um so that's one to keep an eye on is like remandre was playing a ton and if he's out i don't know if they if that all goes to kiner or if that just means more even more passing from drake may i talked to you about this last week dan this offense is freaking weird right now it is and green bay is playing well a lot of credit goes to green bay but i just feel like drake may is kind of being asked to do too much it's almost kind of like a it is exactly like that i don't even think it's almost like that i think it's exactly the same thing as rookie season he's just not scrambling as much oh yeah totally and he's and they lost two offensive linemen again i don't know the extent again but we'll know and this is getting chargers uh 2025 level on their o-line yeah and yet drake may still finds a way to have big games five weeks in a row now i think five or six he's amazing yeah uh maybe six but and aj brown they didn't commit to him traveling to germany this week this week so i think that's a sign that we're going to call him the wrong side of questionable at this point for week 10 by the way jacob i'll let you i'll let you continue but i just wanted to say um nathan yankee i believe pff he said that jonah coleman had the best snap total and best snap rate for any broncos running back in a game in the sean payton era yeah pretty cool that's really cool yeah he's totally iced dobbins and that's i mean i know it's we're not used to seeing that with with payton and maybe that won't be how it goes going forward but i just feel like he's clearly their best back in all situations that at some point harvey like might offer them something as an explosive player that they really value and i can see him getting out there harvey's been good when he's out in space but they also do have other guys pat bryant returned to this game um jaylen waddle can make plays out in space and i just think if coleman's their best short yardage back and their best early down back and their best pass protector that just sounds like a locked in touch bell cow that's really good for fantasy like for him to do a little bit better i mean uh 3.9 i think yards per carry against the panthers is not good i mean you just look at him for the season he hasn't really been so efficient as a rusher uh and it's not like he's got a huge pedigree or anything like that it's it's awesome but i i don't know i guess i would just like to see him be a little bit better i don't think anyone's coming for his job as a rusher i do think harvey will get that in the passing game though like he was earlier if he's healthy yeah he's got uh i believe two more games after that he's got two more games after that he's got two more games after that he's got two at least yeah yeah at least right okay go ahead i'm sorry continue sir um a lot of the other stuff i have are big topics we have today you know so i think we can just wait for that i do want to just real quick um show you something that i think is interesting in regards to the green bay guys obviously are a hot topic right now um and then also cd lamp coming off his massive game so this is relatively arbitrary it's a uh the thresholds are set specifically to capture like what we have matthew golden and christian watson but this is a group of players dating back to 2013 which is the time that i have the data available um so about 15 years uh these are the receivers who threw week nine have had 200 or more yards after the catch and 1 000 or more air yards and you see you just get about two of these per season this year we have three of them both green bay guys and cd lamb and i just want to point out that like pretty much the whole group is averaging 20 plus points per Green Bay guys are the only ones who aren't Actually, Watson's at 19.7. Golden's at 18.2 points per game. There's a few guys down here, Torrey Smith, you know, later career Emmanuel Sanders and stuff like that. They didn't quite get to that 20 plus. I'm going to spend a little more time with this list and see what they did over the rest of the season. But to me, it's just like this. I mean, regardless of how much you believe in Golden or Watson, which I think they're both really like at this point, clearly continuing to prove again and again that they're very good at the specific things that they're good at. But this recipe is just fantasy cheat codes. Like maybe Green Bay weather ruins it at some point or something. But like if you're getting a super concentrated offense, all this downfield stuff, and you're creating yards after the catch, which I think is mostly a Matt LaFleur thing, like this offense just creates yards after the catch. It's you're going to produce like 20 plus points per game. You produce 20 plus points per game. You're one of the most important players in fantasy. Yeah, absolutely. There's nothing to really. I think we all buy it. And I mean, last last week, we talked about overachievers, right? And I talked about Jordan Love and how I was. I think I hope I said I bought into it because I did, you know, because he was being hurt by all the drops, too. And he going into the week, he was like the number nine quarterback per game. And then he has this 40 something point game. Yeah, with the rushing today. Yeah, but it's like they didn't drop the ball and they play great. They destroy the best, the highest. And they didn't get anything out of craft, which is probably coming as well at some point. Crafted had a nice stretch. I think when you look at craft, you look at LaPorta trying to think some other examples like it's really hard for three guys to be good on any given week on the same offense, two receivers and a tight end. It's hard for them all to be good. So you just have to kind of deal with that with the Packers and the Lions. I don't know if there's any other team. I would even say with with like the 49ers, you know, because McCaffrey is so involved in the passing game, you might get some bad weeks from George Kittle because Mike Evans has a big game. But you just have to deal with it. And it's just part of fantasy. It's no. It's no big deal. You want these guys who are on big offenses and they're going to have big games. I think LaPorta is going to bounce back if they would just throw. We'll talk about the Lions defense. They throw more than 25 times. I got 50 pass attempts in their last two games is a 20 percent target share. What is that doing? That's doing that's five targets. So, right. You know, you can't you can't really live off that. But there's a lot to get into with that because they're six and two the Lions. And when they win, they don't really throw that much. I know. So the defense hasn't fallen apart like at the start of the season. It was horrible. Now it's back. Of course, we'll have tougher opponents. And yes, as Jacob said, that's one of our bigger topics today talking about Jared Goff. So I'll give you a few of the snap count things that stood out to me. And let me just scroll there. Sorry. One more thing on Golden I wanted to add is he has a crazy target per run rate this year. It's 29 percent. It's way higher than we ever could have imagined it could be. It's 32 percent when he's in the red zone. And I think that that is another key overlooked aspect of him is like, he's clearly their best man coverage route winner. And so he's also really emphasized winning scoring distance, especially if Josh Jacobs misses time. That's incredibly relevant. But just in general, it's like literally every aspect of upside is here in terms of red zone targets, deep targets, massive target volume. This guy could be the highest scoring receiver for fantasy. He could outscore Jackson Smith and Jigba if he runs hot. One more thing there, just to finish on Golden here. He's faced Minnesota. Had 95 yards. He faced Tampa Bay. Had a bad game, but he caught a touchdown. Faced Chicago. Like I said, they've been good against number one receivers. 123 yards. Faced the Patriots and the best cornerback in football. One of the best cornerbacks scored 32 fantasy points. So you look at their schedule. It's really not that good. Minnesota by week, the Rams, Saints, Bills, Dolphins. That's not bad. Chicago week 16. They're a good defense. Houston week 17. They could be. It hasn't mattered for him. I just don't think you have to be too worried about it. Rasheed Rice, two weeks in a row, he's run fewer than 70% of the routes. It was 69% this week. It was 61.4% in week eight. Earlier this season, Rasheed Rice was running 91%, 80%, 84%. So I just want to point that out. Since coming back from the injury, he's not running as many routes, but Rasheed Rice has had a 29% target per route run rate. A little bit better than that each of the past two weeks. So it's like with Luther Burden, man. If we can get Luther Burden to run 80% of the routes, imagine how good that could be. Like I talked about, he doesn't run enough, but what if he does? For Rasheed Rice, if we can get him back to 85% or more of the routes, I don't know that his target per route run rate is going to go down by that much. I mean, he could be one of the league leaders in that stat. So he could be really good going forward. This is just funny. I don't think it matters going forward, but Devin Singletary led all running backs with a 75% route participation rate. I'm curious to see, what do you think the passing downs work looks like this week with Skadaboo back? Well, I'll say this. The best running back on the Giants this past week was Craig DeRogier. He had three touches and looked like he had so much more juice than Singletary. I've been looking forward to the Giants expanding Skadaboo's passing downs work and just be getting him more involved as a receiver. So he did really well as a rookie. And then I look at this game and it's like one of the key misplays was Devin Singletary missing a block in pass production. I feel like it was so obvious throughout the tape because I just watched earlier today that they were missing something in pass production about Skadaboo. So I don't know I wonder if this is the week where the Giants turn it over to Skadaboo and give him more of a full-time role not fully but like in a sense of just expanding that passing downs role because I think it's in their best it's best for them to do so. Assuming they don't trade for Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, or any back. On Rashi Rice I just wanted to mention that he had a 78% route rate in the first half and that game did kind of get out of hand. Yeah. Okay, that's good to know. I actually thought watching this game that I was like oh boy I kind of feel like we're back with Rice. I don't know for sure but it's like here we go like seven targets and one air yard like we're totally back with this gamey stuff. You're not going to get as much of it because Kenneth Walker and Emmitt Johnson are freaking ballers but I do think that they're they're really dialed in on him and Xavier Worthy has been terrible where they really try to get Xavier Worthy going and just didn't work at all this year and then he pulled up with a hamstring injury this week. So it kind of feels like they just have to go back to the Rice stuff. All right. Well, people might see the stat line and be kind of annoyed by it but remember he had a touchdown called back two weeks ago and on a you know, it was a somewhat questionable that was the right call and yeah, it didn't run that many routes this week. So, okay. Anywho, last one is Quint Sean Judkins. I don't expect the route rate to be this low but it was 9.5%. He can't survive without receiving totals here unless they're no, unless they're facing a bad run defense they're facing the Saints. He's talked about Quint Sean Judkins being one of the biggest losers you know, 9.5% route rate. Dylan Sampson had this I think the second or like the fourth highest route rate among running backs really bad situation for Quint Sean Judkins. Yeah. Let's take a break. Last one and then we'll come back and get into the Seahawks backfield and much more after this. You got a double canceled, bro. Every week, join me, Vladimir Dutip and me, Kelly O'Grady as we ditch the anchor desk after hours to break down the story the internet just can't stop talking about with a cocktail to match the mood. What are we calling the show? Straight Up. Available wherever you get your podcasts. There's the guy you are right now and there's the guy you know you could be. 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Rice and chicken with no seasoning and boiled chicken. I mean that sounds about what he's doing. That was chicken thighs. Baked chicken thighs with plenty of seasoning. Really good. Like marinated it really well. Okay. Couscous. Did you brine the chicken? What's that? I don't know what that is. Okay. So you didn't. That's okay though. It could still be good. I mean the chicken thighs really the most underrated aspect of a chicken. People lean too heavily on chicken breasts when chicken thighs are so much better. Absolutely. I'm a thigh guy. Okay. Let's talk about Jadarian Price. Thank you for all of you on Twitter for your suggestions here. And the question was can Jadarian Price catch now? He had four catches. He had a 44.4% target per outrun rate which is absurdly high for context. Jameer Gibbs is at 26% this year. So who would you guys rather have rest of season? Jadarian Price who had nine carries and four catches or Zach Charbonnet who had 16 carries and one catch in week nine? For me it's still Charbonnet because I still believe he's going to be the main red zone guy. it's just a matter of do i buy into that mattering in an offense that looks like this can't really block well can't really produce much outside of a jsn play here or there so i i don't know i still think it's going to be charbonnet for me though because i lean on the touchdowns i'd be shocked if it's not charbonnet jadarian price is 50th out of 54 qualified running backs and rush successory travion henderson david montgomery jk dobbins kendra miller that's who's worse he's tied with alva camara charbonnet charbonnet is averaging 3.7 yards after contact per rush he has a 42 percent avoided tackle rate he has just a nine percent stuffed rate jadarian prices is 26 he looks pretty good charbonnet coming off an acl i was kind of shocked they gave him 17 touches yeah his second game jadarian price he a buy guy jadarian price looks good at moments definitely he made some really cool places receiver it's clear that he has juice yeah you're you're you're you're going to matter who got 17 touches yeah and true get we did get a few snaps inside the five yard line but no running backs were in the game they did the tush push with aj barner so we don't know that but we would assume that it would be charbonnet in those situations and also just because price caught the ball more than charbonnet charbonnet ran more routes it was fairly even but he ran more routes than price he ran more routes on third down uh i yeah i actually i mean the downside every week like he had a good nfl game he didn't have a good fantasy game right i think i kind of like him against the raiders this week you know like terrible on defense they should be able to score at least if they have drew lock they should be able to score a decent amount of points get yeah touchdown range all right i like i think both of them this against the raiders i think you start both of them all right let's go to uh the next question it's from h he just wants to know or the next player to talk about wants to talk about antonio williams but i think we'll take the opportunity did you watch the price receiving stuff though the price receiving stuff like was legitimately noteworthy it was like air yards and stuff along the sideline it was really cool place as a receiver i thought yeah and he really turned it up too like he he can run he wouldn't get in space he can run i just think that's we don't know that he can't do that we just didn't get to see it like a lot of running backs is like oh he can't do that like that he looks terrible when he tried to do that in college he just didn't get to because he's on the jeremiah loves team you know like so that that's actually pretty interesting to me from a long-term standpoint okay what do you think about antonio williams what'd you see jacob i think he's really good i mean i think this is just a brutal spot here and i actually feel pretty bad for being so excited about antonio williams and not thinking about the fact that like miles garrett's coming back and washington's in big trouble i literally i just got too excited because i'm like antonio williams is really good he can win quickly he and the cornerbacks are out he'll win these matchups we'll just get the ball to him quickly because of course like he's your your best like pass catcher um but that's not the way it went down like it didn't the ball did not him and i think that makes sense is a rookie he is playing mostly on the outside so where i bring this up fourth fastest time to throw this week for the commanders but still jayden was pressured on over a third of his drop backs even though he was getting the ball extremely quick 2.28 seconds was the average time to pressure that's insane yep um and i think it's more than just like miles garrett game wrecker he was blitzed on 50 of his drop backs which is way above the rams average of 30 that's their highest rate all year in terms of how often they've blitzed an opponent um jayden's being blitzed on 40 of his drop backs this year three of his top six career blitz traits faced have come in games this season i think that i mean whether it's the tonsil thing or something about jayden in particular like defenses are onto him and i was gonna ask about that because would you say adam right that's what i was gonna say dude that's exactly when denard wilson's game plan against jayden was really eye-opening he blitzed the heck out of him and he blitz covers zero three times in a row and i just think that's kind of what teams are leaning on right now there's tape out this season there's not that much tape in general out on jayden and that tape this season is we're finding success blitzing this guy and sending extra rushers obviously it factors in that like they have tonsil out and they have mclaurin out and they don't have necessarily guys that you really believe can beat you vertically that easily i guess i would say i mean like burks can win vertically they all can win vertically to some extent but right now it looks like the book is at that that's what teams are going to do against washington i think it's also i think the big disappointment for me for um williams is i'm sorry for williams is van jefferson the fact that van jefferson had this really good game and you just did not see that coming and when trailing burks plays burks is a big factor too so for digs for williams it just you know conco is a factor just makes me wonder if anyone can be consistent and then what i noticed watching the tape of daniels was like man he is throwing the ball short he is not even trying to throw down field you go look at his air yards per pass attempt and it's not that low it's 7.1 but so much of that came late in the game in this comeback desperation mode in the first three quarters he averaged 4.9 air yards per pass attempt wow that's horrible and williams i think williams is really like a downfield guy not like a go-route guy but he's like a chunk play guy he's been so this wasn't a good uh it didn't play out well for williams but honestly he could do everything but he i think he just has to be he hasn't been doing that right like when he's been successful yeah the week before was a lot of short stuff and they got him in motion a lot like all five of his catches last week came out of the slot in week eight um i think that's really is i mean ideally that's the way to use him i think that he just has to fill in for mclaurin so i think your point might be effectively right over the course of the rest of the season but i definitely think he is good as a quick winner too that's why i thought he'd be in this level i didn't think that he's when he's made big when he's at his best this year so far i feel like williams has been you know making nice nice routes deep deeper downfield and getting open and there was one like just in terms of jayden daniels i kind of want to start him this week you know you look at the quarterback position this week it's really not great you got four teams on a buy you've got some tough matchups and things like that but i think daniel's gonna be hard for him to be able to come out of that so i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think he's going to be a tough matchup um i think downfield and didn't see him. And he started running and he fumbled. It was just like a really bad play late in the first half. But his fantasy points have not been that good, Jaden Daniels, the last couple of weeks. He's not playing that poorly. So I think he could be all right against the Giants. All right, anything else to say about the Commanders, guys? Giants again this week, and then the Bengals after that. So that's DJ Turner and potentially a tough matchup, but it could be a shootout. But then after that, it's like Cardinals, Titans. I think those games you could see Williams get going if it's ever going to happen. And that'll give you an idea if you can use him down the stretch because it gets tough after that. Nothing else on the Commanders, though. Like Oconquo maybe, Diggs sometimes. Williams is the guy who I thought might have upside because he can win in and out of the slot. And like you said, he's actually creating downfield wins, which is, I don't know how often Jaden will get there, but that does present upside, and that's pretty exciting. Where it's like, this guy could be somebody who piles up six, seven, eight, nine targets or whatever. I don't, the Van Jefferson thing, just feels kind of random. That feels like it could have easily been Williams on that route, and it just happened to be Van Jefferson, and that's really annoying. But, yeah. Okay. Third player to talk about today is Brees Hall. I think everybody who watched Brees Hall came away like, damn, Brees Hall looked really good against a great defense. But let's see. Okay, here are my issues with Brees Hall. I talked about it on last night's show, but got some more numbers here. He had a 21% route participation rate that's really bad. That's like James Cook, you know, which is just low. Obviously, James Cook is amazing, but Brees Hall is not in the same situation. He had a 50% target per route run rate, which is amazing, which is great, but you can't bank on that. Like I said, Jameer Gibbs for the season is at 26%. Brees Hall yesterday was at 50% target per route run rate. So someone asked, has Adam managed to sell Brees Hall yet? No, I tried so hard. And my concerns, I said them last night, he's not the, he didn't, wasn't the passing downs back here. He wasn't playing in the comeback effort and he wasn't playing, they ran three snaps from inside the five yard line. They were all Braylon Allens. Yeah. So I think Brees Hall is going to be a number two running back because he's really talented. He'll make some big plays. He will catch passes because you better throw the ball to Brees Hall. And I'm not saying the usage is going to be the same in week 10 that it was in week nine, but I feel like it was a better game on paper for Hall than to me than it was like predicting the future for fantasy for him. Yeah. It was a better game on tape than it was for fantasy. I mean, I mean, he max, I watched every single snap of Brees Hall. He maximized yards on every single touch that he got and his two biggest runs came on power gap scheme, but he ran good on some inside and outside zone too. He just has that trademark like patience and then boom explosion. His quick first step was completely there in this game. There were multiple times where the play was not blocked up how it should have been. And he just found a crease. Now the question is what you said, does it matter for fantasy? He's not on a high scoring team. They're, they're, they're okay though. They score points. He doesn't get the, or didn't get the red zone work in this game. Didn't get enough of a role in the passing game, even though he did have three receptions. Does it matter is the question for fantasy. I think you're right. He probably settles in somewhere in that RB two flex range, but it's going to be really difficult to predict the weeks that he's going to score points. It's Jadarian price, but on a worse team, like he's better, but better, better than, price but much better runner than than price is yeah like twice as many carries as price right yeah yeah that's what may be worse of a role but in terms of the limitations the problems with the role are the same like right i don't i don't know if he's definitively not the goal linebacker he's got a carry from the 19 and got eight yards on that and then he got a carry from the 11 and got seven yards on that that brought them down to the four and then braylon allen came in but it's like breeze was in breeze had just gotten back-to-back carries and like maybe that was just needed a breather i don't know for sure he got two red zone carries right before that you know and he could have scored on one of those um but you're right braylon was on the field for those three plays those are the only three plays inside the 10 all day and breeze got them there and braylon didn't score from he got stuffed so i don't know that he's definitively not the short yardage back i don't think braylon is necessarily that good at short yardage stuff even though he's very big because he's his center of gravity is extremely high um i do know he at least in this game he was definitively not the third down back that was braylon allen for sure but braylon played 90 of the third down snaps and so he brought up the route rate it was like this early in the season early in the season breeze's route rates were 31 39 32 percent and then 21 in this game and it's like that was before they i think really knew how good braylon allen was and wanted to get him more and more and more work and i just i think it's be i i think it's be really hard for breeze hall to be good for fantasy unless it's games where the jets are able to control it and have a ton of plays on offense and he gets like 18 20 carries or something i think buffalo next week is going to be tough because they could get blown out but after that chargers dolphins bi-week broncos cardinals patriots vikings it's you know forget about like the run defenses or whatever just the game scripts they're going to be i think they're going to be pretty competitive for the most part they'll probably lose most of them but yeah got a soft ass schedule going forward the jets man jet chargers chargers and week 11 well game of the week chargers is literally the only one in there i'm like confident that the jets are going to control the game well i mean you know look braylon if you just look at braylon allen against the dolphins two weeks ago he had 23 touches 134 yards huge game um they should be fine with the dolphins they could get killed by by denver but denver's not great arizona with carson beck at that point yeah yeah i it could be worse it could be worse they got they've got a pretty easy schedule i think in my opinion but let's call it neutral let's call it he'll have some weeks where he scores like a touchdown and it saves his day but more of an rb2 for sure okay and i also think it's possible just last thing just i know i'm talking out of both sides of my mouth i think it's possible that even though he's not running that many routes that they make a concerted effort they design a few plays every single game to throw the ball to breeze hall and he could have three games and he could have three games and he could have three games and he could have three catches a game and that would really i think that would really make him like kind of a not a must start like you know a top 12 running back but a must start like look at the running backs every time we get to running back 20 in the rankings it's just like oh really this guy you might be starting breeze hall that's that's right yeah all right that's what it is it's really like rb16 where we get to that probably jacob let me get your thoughts on the houston wide receivers i know you watched the tape um i watched some of it dan i'm not sure if you got to it yet first play of the game 19 yard gain for nico collins looking good there was a play with 514 to play in the first quarter nico collins made a great double move could have had a 60 yard touchdown cj stroud didn't even look in his direction um had a six yard gain to xavier hutchinson instead but yeah i mean what did you see from the texans pass catchers let me let me try this on i'm curious what you think of this houston is like discount green bay nico collins is christian watson tank dell is matthew golden and then there's also for whatever reason a ton of keishon booty and xavier hutchinson and marv's in the mix too not this game marv's there too yeah they work for me because like no nico collins has what like five targets in his last two games or something yeah nine targets watson's role has been a little up and down at times this year he has like a 21 target share or something he's mostly getting there all on his own yeah yeah it's not concentrated like green bay that is a problem but like in terms of like this team can't run the ball at all but they're still able to pass the ball really well and they're throwing down the field a lot like that does remind me of green bay a little bit that's true and nico's better than all those guys i love watson and golden everything but like nico's insane but i'm fantasy he's third that sucks lately for sure yeah like going forward i would definitely take the packers guys over nico me too nico's playing in the slot more not a ton but i think that's sort of interesting i'm fair i'm interested to see what this is going to be like i know it's annoying as hell for fantasy um but it's kind of cool for real life i think if anything changes like if they do decide to focus more on their best receivers then that could be really good because the overall environment is healthy tank dell looked incredible man yeah that's that was freaking fun take that like he lost his footing a little bit a few times maybe a little bit overhyped but like he looked so good that was really fun it's cool to see him it makes me so happy if you don't need one of these replacement running backs like caleb johnson or cory kiner or something then take that and you're good tank dell could definitely and even if you do tank dell could definitely be the number one waiver wire pickup absolutely um nine targets and eight of them were from cj stroud that was the surprising part how many targets he got yeah nine 55 55 route rate for dell for what it's worth um booty by the way had 125 yards of two touchdowns on a 35 route rate he tied marv with the same number of routes um hutchinson is the one who played the most i i could see that skilling back a little bit but also i don't know if it's a good thing but i think it's a good thing i think they really like him like he's just an important part of their offense and their identity it feels like so did you do by any chance have the first read stats yet yeah sure because to me it's curious it's very low every week what's that sorry i said it's very low every week it's extremely spread out for stroud for all of oh you mean for the quarterback the quarterback's first read rates or the yeah yeah for stroud because like as well as he played yesterday i watched about half i watched the first half like i really feel like he was kind of locked on a receiver he made great throws great throws but there were two plays where nico collins could have had massive gains probably big touchdowns i think i have a screenshot of one of them if uh if you have that sam um and he just didn't see him he didn't look his way he just he threw he threw to his first read so just curious if he's if he's that kind of guy cj stroud well we'll find so yeah stroud had um he was middle of the pack and first read rate yesterday 63 yeah look at nico with the 50 yard line like that's a busted coverage right there and if he just turns and looks i mean maybe they were just reading stroud's eyes but but they i think that's a bust and if he turns and looks nico's just streaking down the field uh and and then there was one that was even worse like earlier in the game that i mentioned the five minute ish mark of the first quarter he made a great double move on the cornerback and would have burned him for a 60 yard touchdown but stroud just didn't look at him it doesn't really matter it just it's it is what it is right now the targets are super spread out i think we all feel like better times are ahead for nico collins he's not going to have to make a one of the best catches of the year to score a touchdown um so if people are buying i don't know if people are selling low on him but if they are i'd be buying but i certainly don't think he's going to be what i thought he was you know uh just because there's too much competition uh all right anything else on that no i don't think so all right i got let's get two more guys here i got five minutes left i'm sorry before i have to go do express with jamie i'll let you guys take it from here chase brown and jared golf dan who do you want to talk about chase brown is who i watched um just a frustrating it's been such a frustrating season for chase brown managers like you mentioned off pod with us he got his one opportunity and then just immediately pulled in the red zone can't get his touchdown thought they would want to give him his touchdown just didn't care um you see nine rush for 50 57 i think he looks good but it's not like he's not going to be able to get his touchdown he's going to be able to get his touchdown it's a weird offense they they talked in the preseason about trying to go under center and try to get things going i feel like there's just no this is what i said to you off the pot adam i feel like there's no real i don't want to say the word incentive but there's no real emphasis on trying to get anything going in the run game from a schematic standpoint it's basically just like the times we run the football um chase brown has looked good and and i'll say this i thought he looked good on the screen obviously had three receptions for 18 yards but they just they don't throw it to him because burrow's doing such a good job of seeing the field and getting the football out and there's just when these two guys are healthy higgins and brown there's not many corners who can really defend them so i just feel like at this stage of it we're not we're not really set up in a way where i think he's gonna be this big fantasy winner at the end of the season like he was last year it's insane though for he's on the second best offense in the league yeah they're and and they have one running back rushing touchdown oh two yeah they have two running back rushing touchdowns this year every other team in the top five in scoring has at least seven and one of those teams the team with seven is buffalo and buffalo's had a bye week and hasn't played their week nine game yet so it's just weird joe burrow has a 63 63.6 touchdown rate inside the five yard line almost every year it's right around 42 so when they're getting near the goal line they're just throwing for touchdowns at a rate that seems kind of crazy. So all we need from Chase Brown is touchdowns and then everything i said about breese hall i i think i'd still rather have chase brown it's close but the touchdown should favor him they're the second highest scoring team in football this is crazy jacob chase brown or breeze hall chase brown for sure for me i know that's annoying but the the it's it's gonna be very hard for him to keep doing what he's doing it's very impressive what he's been doing honestly to not be producing at all um in this offense i mean it just is like i've got i'm just i'm gonna throw this up on the screen shield your eyes because it's a lot of green it's a lot of data um this is before last week but the point remains the same because he didn't score it's like looking at the bell cows around the league it's sort of a percentage of the team's offensive touches that each running back is accounted for you see chase brown down here between baseball two national genti 37 of the team touches four percentage four percent of the of the touchdowns there's no one even close like no one else is there genti jalen warner came scattered we're the only other guys below 20 percent from andre stevenson um it's just a very very weird year for him his usage stuff is pretty much the same as last year i think all the stuff you hit on is relevant makes sense um it will probably be better i don't i would only buy that chase brown though if i didn't need points because i don't know that it's going to get better it kind of reminds me of genti a little bit where it's like the usage early in the season suggests that he should be scoring more he should be scoring in the touchdown and the red zone and stuff but then they just stop giving him as many of those opportunities i don't know if that's where we're at if it's going to be a full split with him and p ryan or whatever we have enough signals here and there something i dug into last week on beyond the box scores like his red zone snap rate has been down lately um before the buy was like 78 after the buy it's been like 50 50 between him and p ryan in terms of playing time in the red zone if they don't trust them as much or they're just not as incentivized to give him the ball then he just becomes an even diminished version of what he already was and maybe he runs hot with touchdowns and targets or whatever but it's a thinner bet i think it could work but i would only do it if you are fine being like chase brown might not ever come through for me as a like good fantasy player right you compare him to ashton genti this year how about compare him to ashton genti last year where the workload never went away for genti and he's still like he was fine but he was never a game changer i mean i think he scored about 14 points per game i'll take that from chase brown that's the guy you're starting but like genti got so much work and it's just it never really translated into anything that won you a fantasy or anything like that right all right the last guy we're going to talk about is jared goff i'm out of time i gotta go run and do a podcast with jamie but i guess i'll just sum it up i i read i read a report i read good stuff on the athletic about it colton pouncey of the athletic brought up the fact that jeff hafley the dolphins head coach has had some success against jared golf in the past when he was the packers defensive coordinator um i think the biggest thing here for the lions is that they're not going to be able to do anything about it they're not going to is that golf is thrown 25 passes each of the last two games and if you look at their offense they put up a lot of yards and a really good yards per play against the packers based on what the packers usually give up they put up a lot of yards and a really good yards for play against the vikings based on what the vikings usually give up they they've outperformed what other offenses have done against the packers and the vikings their last three games packers vikings dolphins they've scored 19 or 20 points in all three games the dolphins game was just bad and the biggest thing is that they are the fifth worst red zone team in terms of scoring touchdowns in the red zone over the last three weeks they kicked a ton of field goals yesterday that is the problem i'm seeing right now i didn't see anything on tape that was like oh this is a huge problem they made a change in offensive line it didn't really work but i think i think they're going to be fine i guess i'm a little concerned that they're just not throwing that much especially when they win i think that's more of a jmo in the porta problem than a golf problem i'm going to excuse you for that i'm going to excuse you for that i'm going to excuse it i put out a poll are you starting jared golf this week against the patriots and it was like 83 said start so if i see one more bad game that'd be one thing but it's only been one game of bad offense the other two games was just like played good defenses really good on a per play basis compared to what normal offenses do against those defenses this was a bad bad game they were hot they were too hot you can't go to november in south florida you can't do that too hot for them but i'm a really new excuse it and um yeah and just you know i i'm i have he's my most rostered quarterback i'm starting golf everywhere next week they're hitting the dome stretch they're here you know i going into the year dan and i were like i think detroit could be just like fantasy gold but like what do you do with that information you can't draft any of them at discounts like kind of jameson williams and laporta but everybody else is really expensive and now it's like you might be able to get these guys you definitely could get laporta in trades and you might be able to get sun god in a trade you know like i don't know if you've got matthew golden or something you might be able to get him in a trade you might be able to get you might be able to do something like that um i think that makes sense i will say their pass rate over expectation is way down to which looks at the circumstances of any play um and it's not on the year on the year it's basically where it was last year but and the three games following their bye week it's very low it would rank 31st it's like basically where the bucks are on the year and the three games out of the bye week which to your point 25 pass attempts per game like we felt it but if that balances out i think that they could just print here in the dome all right let's print we will talk to you tomorrow on our separate podcast beyond the box score fantasy football today and the tuesday ama on the bleacher report app at 11 a.m eastern looking forward to that and see you soon everybody bye paramount podcasts i don't know what i'm doing need a break forget it i quit escape to pluto tv this is objectively fantastic relax into the movies and shows you already know and love all for free swing even our news is uplifting you stay 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