Week 3 Rapid Reaction + Instant Takeaways

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We're diving straight into the stuff that we saw, not really a deep dive necessarily, but a little bit of a rapid recap of all the things that we saw from this week. So Liz, with that, let's dive into our very first, what the fantasy? Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast. Well, let's start, Daniel, with Jameer Gibbs. I mean, you must have been out of your mind in the best way possible while watching him roll up 40 fantasy points. Yeah, 20 carries, 99 yards, two touchdowns. I love the two touchdowns. Wasn't super efficient on the ground. That's okay. It's just a place where he makes his plays. The big thing is, man, through the air, seven catches for 65 yards and a receiving game touchdown as well. Three total touchdowns for the second time this year, 41.4 fantasy points. The dude was just unbelievable. He is clearly making the case as to why he deserved to be 1.01. 100%. And also, ironically, I was watching this game with some Lions fans will get into that on facts versus feelings this Thursday, a little tease, if you will. And your fan base is so fascinating because I thought they were going to be thrilled jumping up and down. And yet they were, but they were also like, you know, this isn't going to last. No knuckles there to support him. Dan Campbell is just going to run him into the ground and I was like, just can you be happy in the moment, please? Girl, I'm so glad that you weren't here at pre-show because I said to our producer, should I be worried about how many such as Jameer Gibbs is going to have at the end of this season? So I'm glad. That's all right. I'm excited. Now, we'll worry about that next year's problem, right? Right now we are living. We love a punting on the problem. That's right. That's right. What about you, Liz? What's your WTF moment? Well, I thought it was fascinating that Debo Samuels could register 80 yards. And yet, not record a single reception. It was zero. Zero reception. So we had 80 yards in a touchdown with technically zero catches or zero targets because Mike Evans lateraled the ball to him. So there was this box score anomaly. We are going to get into the 49ers in a little bit. But Debo Samuels doing wide back like things. And we love to see it especially on a day when Mike Evans exited and Dishon Stribbling obviously still on IR. The 49ers will host the Broncos in week four. So Debo Samuels looking rather fantasy relevant despite not having a lot of receiving volume next week. I think it's going to be really fun to see this week. And if anyone's listening to this, now is your call to action. I want to know because he didn't have a reception on that play. Did anybody lose by a point or less because he had 80 receiving yards in a touchdown but zero receptions. If you lost because of that, please send us your line up either to me or Liz or at fantasy focus on social media, we would love to be able to see that all right, not PPR friendly that play. Oh, definitely not PPR friendly. But you know what is friendly every single week. Are you kidding me? That's right. What do you think you are? Jackson Smith and Jigba Liz, he just won't quit. 10 catches, 128 yards, two touchdowns on 14 targets for 35.36 fantasy points. We thought there was going to be some regression, right? Because it's tough to repeat what he did last year. But I haven't seen it yet. New play caller, different quarterback in week two and none of it matters. He also threw for a first down in this game. So what a multi-dimensional skill set this guy has. He's managed six total touchdowns over three weeks. He's managed at least eight receptions in every single game and cleared 120 receiving yards for three straight weeks. If you drafted JSN as your first wide receiver, man, you are very happy and deserve a pet on the back. I feel good right now. With that, Liz, let's dive into our biggest takeaways from week three and here we go. Liz, it was the week of the tight end. As like our resident tight end whisperer, you must be feeling good right now. I mean, the tight end that I thought would smash this week did not he did not exploit a matchup that I thought was very good, but sure, I am very pleased with this list of 10. So we start at the bottom and work our way up and Travis Kelsey onwards. Okay. Travis Kelsey at Miami, obviously the chief's heavily favored by double digit points in this effort. And Kelsey, get you nearly 14 fantasy points. You're not mad at that at all. He caught two balls for 59 yards and found the end zone yet again. Love that. Only two targets, but at least he found the end zone. My guy Tyler Warren, I have been standing for him all off season, been waiting for him to take over, still didn't do a whole lot in this one from a production standpoint. Only 55 yards and didn't find the end zone. But he had 10 targets and turned that into nine receptions good enough for 14.7 fantasy points. Liz, this was again against a tough Houston defense, even though it hasn't materialized into the top tier Tyler Warren that we thought we were drafting. At least it hasn't made you feel like you made a mistake because he's delivering you solid around 10 to 12 to 14 fantasy points right now through the first three weeks of the season. And with Alec Pierce on IR, Warren is going to continue to be a high volume place. You can't get mad at him. You called Warren your guy, but I think this next player, Jeremy Ruckert, was your guy conscious to you. Maybe you're trying to wally, pit me as the tight end whisper. You mentioned him earlier in the week. So go ahead and take a bow, baby. Here's the thing. I said this when we were doing our Raheem Sanders fund. If there's someone under 1% roster that could potentially score a touchdown this week with no Mason Taylor. How about a backup tight end, not named Kenyan Cedeek? Because I already thought he was going to be very involved. Why not find another one? And then it actually happened five for 39 and a touchdown for 14.9 fantasy points. I don't, I mean, I didn't need amazing. I didn't need to happen against my own team, but I appreciate the shout out. How about Tramik Bride? Do we need to give this kid a shout out because he's actually towards the bottom of this list. Surprisingly Liz. Yeah. He managed 16 and a half fantasy points. No big deal, right? Just over 15 fantasy points from your tight end. He has spoiled us, frankly. Nine catches for 75 yards converting 9 of 11, I should say. So he remains a target monster. No touchdown. But the beautiful thing about Tramik Bride is that he is not touchdown dependent like most of the other players at this position. You are not wrong. All right. I'm going to put the next two together here. Liz. He had four for 33 and two touchdowns, 19.3 fantasy points, and third in Jouan. My guy, Jouan Johnson, seven for 53 and two more touchdowns, Tyler Schuck, through four touchdowns to tight ends this week. Good enough for Jouan, 24.3 fantasy points. I feel like this is just going to continue rolling right now until we see more Jordan Tyson, at least with Jouan Johnson. Correct. I'm with you on that. Yeah. Thank you. But Jouan Johnson remains obviously the leading tight end. It's nice to see no a fan after years of waiting for him to break out and become the red zone target that he was promised out of college. Have some of this, but I don't really want to bite because I'm not sure how consistent it will be on him. Still agree with you. Johnson is the guy. I also want to talk about someone who is turning into a guy with a capital G. It's Ken Hussadeek. Do it. What? I mean, they do not exist enough superlatives to properly describe this guy's upper end athleticism out of college, 100th percentile speed, 100th percentile burst, 99th percentile catch radius. And you saw that come together despite not seeing a ton of targets. I mean, and this one, he did see eight looks. He'll get into y in a second, but his touchdown grab was spectacular and all of that athleticism was there. He ended up with seven catches for 105 receiving yards and that aforementioned touchdown. A little bit of an asterisk though, I don't really want to give it. I think we should though, no 80 Mitchell in this game and no Mason Taylor. So that did boost his opportunities. You have to imagine, I think though after showing like this, though, he's going to earn himself more playing time. I was just going to say, you don't want to fault somebody. For being in a really good position that they should take advantage of. And then they do take advantage of it. But then we only highlight this only happened because these things didn't take place. It's like, no, he did all the things we wanted him to. to do in this moment, so I'm totally with you. He's way, way, way on the radar right now. - Totally gifted. Yep. - Harold Fanon also finally looked good again. Liz, seven for 51 and two touchdowns. Are you noticing a theme here? We've got a lot of touchdown equity at the tight end position this week. 24.14, 24.1 fantasy points for Harold Fanon in a win against the Carolina Panthers. - Well, his production both on the field and virtually via fantasy is increasing every week. And I like to see him more and more folded in. I was predicting that he would start to climb in week three. I just thought it would be because there was a change at quarterback. That hasn't happened to Sean Watson is playing pretty well. So I'm gonna keep ranking Harold Fanon moving forward as a low end tight end one somewhere and depending on the matchup, that tight end 11 to 14 range. But we know that this is a potential outcome and that's why he's gonna stay there. - If we just cut to the end of that analysis, Liz, every time you said stuff about Harold Fanon, it was, which is why I think he'll start being really good in week three and beyond. That's all we need, you called it. You were not going with this one, right? That's all we need is the end of it. - This next guy is someone we were both very excited about over the summer. Go ahead. - Great value, great value if you waited. He was a ninth round or 10th round draft pick for the majority of the off season. Six for 82 and two touchdowns for George Kittle. Seven targets, 26.2 fantasy points. Him and Brock Pertie are just locked in with unbelievable chemistry. It's clear that he is their number one, not number one, number two, but I think he's the number one pass catcher to be honest. And he really crushed me and starts of the week if you listen to the show. Mike started both him and Brock Pertie, so I'm not super pumped about that, Liz. - 26 fantasy points, obviously we mentioned the injuries to the 49ers receiving core. So Kittle remains incredibly valuable. This next guy, this last guy. - I'm on the back. - Yeah. - Yes. - Don't call the contact. - The top tight end for the week thus far, 27.6 fantasy points for one. Brock Bowers, they call him double bees, but not for the reason you might think. - That's fair, they call me double bees, but not for the reason also that you might think. - See how I served Jeff on that one? - Yeah, I actually, it caught me off guard. - There was a pause there, I had to figure out what I was supposed to do with it. 27.6 fantasy points, like you said, this is what we were expecting when we drafted him as the number one or number two tight end in football. By the way, I think Kurt Cousins has been sizzling in it, Liz. - He has thrown three touchdowns for three straight weeks. - Why? - It's unbelievable. Like is Fernando Mendoza even gonna see the field this year? Or is Kurt Cousins just gonna hold down this job? - I mean, I think Fernando Mendoza is like trying to figure out how to ask out Addison Ray in Vegas. - Okay, that's fair. - That's fair, yes. - All right, all right. Well, huge week for the tight end position. Obviously, we went through all of the top 10 there. When all of the top 10 scored above 13 1/2 fantasy points, you know you had a really nice week. - Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting. It's even theirs. Meet new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours with flexible all day comfy grip. Just plum, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new groupie setting mist from Maybelline, New York. - Maybe it's Maybelline. - Let's talk about the rest of the week, Liz. Garrett Wilson, him and Geno Smith. If you stream him this week against my Detroit Lions, holy smokes, they smashed. 10 catches for 107 yards and a touchdown. 13 targets for Garrett Wilson. 26.7 fantasy points. We'll talk about this a little bit when we talk about the Panthers coming up here from their game, but looking ahead, knowing that they take on Chicago this next week, Liz. Volumes too good, even though we don't know what's going on with Chicago Bears team, but there's no way I am benching Garrett Wilson after what I've seen to start this season. - No, it turns out the Jets offense and Geno Smith much more stable than people anticipated. Garrett Wilson's volume is monstrous. He is the team's alpha and looking ahead, he's gonna remain a low and low and wide receiver one for fantasy purposes. At Chicago, I don't see the bear secondary really improving moving forward. And the piece about Geno, like you're not starting him outside of a two-quarter back league, obviously, but the fact that he has supported the rest of this offense is what we are digging. - And I love that this week, a week that I thought and this will become a theme, unfortunately, if you have seen the way the teams have played the Detroit Lions, this was another situation where can I use Geno potentially as a streaming option against soft matchups this week? Or this year, this week, you saw that he could potentially deliver for you later on this season when he has another nice matchup. - And not to jinx anything, but he has yet to throw an interception so far this season. - Girl, girl, feels great, honestly. All right, you know what doesn't feel great? Denzel Boston, this one was disappointing. I was kind of talking this one into a flex. - Yeah, I was pumped about it. He was the only one that kind of looked like he had any sort of connection. Obviously, with the Sean Watson right now, we thought sooner or later we're gonna see she do her sanders and it feels like the Sean Watson is going to be the quarterback here again for another week. Instead of it being a Denzel Boston week, it was just a Harold Fanon week. - Yeah, Boston did not get the volume we anticipated, just four targets in this one, two catches. He did find the end zone in weeks one and week two. Sometimes we're gonna have a game like this, a day like this. I think Boston should remain on the fantasy radar. He just wasn't flex worthy like we thought he might be in week three. - Agreed, agreed on that one. Did you know that Josh Allen is in fact, not Superman. He does have some earthly qualities. - I mean, everybody's gotta have a clerk Kent moment. - Okay, thank you, that's true. You're not wrong, 17.4 fantasy points. Wasn't great, 200ceptions, here's the thing. - Josh Allen can run the ball like no other quarterback in the NFL. Eight carries, 22 yards and two touchdowns. That carried him here. Otherwise, it did not look great. We didn't see Dalton concade. He wasn't in that list of tight ends that we just mentioned. Liz, so he wasn't great this week. - No, no, he certainly wasn't. - You know, the Chargers defense, Chargers defense, obviously very desperate, really tried to fluster Allen through the air. And that worked. I mean, they sacked him four times, but to your point, Josh Allen can do all the things. And so his two rushing scores saved his day. And that's why people drafted him as early as they did. He's gonna face the patriots in week four and I don't expect him to come any further back down to earth, if you will. - Liz, if you wanted to take a moment and talk to managers of Justin Herbert to let them know how they should handle the situation moving forward, what would you say to them? - I mean, I've dropped him. And I really did bite on the preseason hype. I fully bought it. But see, the joy of a deep position and value at it is that you can often roster two quarterbacks. That's what you and I, in fact, often recommend to people during draft season. And since I also rostered Tyler Schuck, I've been okay. - Love that. - So I, I mean, Justin Herbert, 12.7 fantasy points in this one, he did find the end zone. So one touchdown, also one interception, only completed 20 of 34 passes. And in week four, he gets the Seahawks. So, Yikes. - So here's the thing with this team. Like, I think you have to keep starting Omarin Hampton because he's a running back and what the running back position is and what his touchdown equity could be. Even though-- - Not very efficient. Let's talk about that. - It was not efficient. - Yeah, his efficiency really was not great in this one. I believe that he just managed four more yards on six more carries than Keaton Mitchell, who I'm sorry I interrupted, I think you were about to talk about. - Well, that's the thing. Keaton Mitchell had three catches for negative five yards and one touchdown. That's not very efficient, Liz, but it was getting the job done, unfortunately. And this is one of those things. I think it is going to be a problem if we start seeing a little bit more Keaton Mitchell in this one. It just felt like everybody got involved this week. Like, Lad McConkey wasn't a focal point the way that we thought he should have been. There was too much spreading the ball around and he spread the ball around indeed even in the game. - Yeah. - Nine different pass catchers drew a look in this one. To me, that is also evidence of Mike McDaniel, just like mad scientist trying to figure something out, but it's not working. - So here's the thing. I think I'm out on Justin Herbert. I think you're right in dropping him. Lad McConkey is going to be tough not to play because he's still lad freaking McConkey. It's not his fault. But these defense is just for everyone to know. Coming up, here's what they have for this offense. At Seattle, then Denver, then at Kansas City, then a by, then at the Rams, then Houston, and then at Baltimore. That is just an unbelievably wicked run of defenses to go up against with an '03 start by the way when you played Arizona, the Raiders, and Buffalo. So-- - Yeah, bad vibes. - We're gonna see what happens there. Yes, we'll continue to talk about that 'cause that's one of the most interesting situations, most disappointing situation in all of fantasy football without question through the first three weeks of the season. - Agreed on that. - What about Malik neighbors? Liz, unfortunately with Jackson Dart not being there, it doesn't feel like Jamis is old, Jamis. It just feels like Jamis is old. - Is old. - Right, he's only 32, but yes, I agree with that analysis. I mean, if you're talking about disappointing, we figured that Malik neighbors would manage enough volume to drag whoever was under center into production And that James Winston would be better given a week, right? He wasn't a me. immediately called into action. He's had time to prepare for this game, but the connection is definitely off. As for neighbors, he converted five of six for just 26 receiving yards under eight fantasy points. - Yeah. - I don't know, Daniel, though, like looking ahead, I know we're just like rapidly reacting and letting it live in our bodies and we'll digest it and talk about it and give analysis throughout the week, but right now immediately, you're not benching him, right? But maybe depending on your roster, you're just using him as a flex. - Yeah, I think that's more of what it is. I may have a flex option that is playing better or a better situation materialized than where Malik neighbors is at right now. So again, I will not be benching him. I'm with you on that, but lowering expectations, for sure. I thought we, Liz, and by the way, just to move on with this, I was lowering expectations to commanders-wide receivers. Same division. Looks like Mark's Marriota is totally fine. Keeping them, at least Mark is, excuse me, at least, scary Terry afloat. - You know, spooky season is coming. So maybe this is when scary Terry will come into form. We have to give our colleague Marcus Grant a shout out because he did have some interesting stats telling people not to freak out about Terry McCloren. This stat didn't come from him, but I do have one. McCloren registered previous to this effort, six career games with Marriota dropping back at least 20 times and averaged 16 1/2 fantasy points per game during those efforts. He got over 20 fantasy points today, so we don't, I'm sorry, he got nearly 20 fantasy points today. Converted six of nine looks for 77 receiving yards, found the end zone. So I think if you're looking at around 16 fantasy points from McCloren with Marriota under center, that is reasonable based on the data that exists. - Yeah, feeling good about that. I would love to get that many fantasy points from one Drake May list. It's been three straight weeks that he has not even hit double digit fantasy points. At this point, I totally understand benching him. You've got to have a second quarterback that's better, right? - I 100% agree with it. I mean, Kirk Cousins ripped off three touchdowns again. But on Tuesday when I was on fantasy focus, I was like, guys, I don't want to start him. And then I feel like I was convinced because of the big three injuries of the quarterback position that we had to do it out of necessity. I didn't want to do it. And I don't, I mean, I don't want to start him at Buffalo. I feel like I am okay at this point with Drake May who didn't even manage four flipping fantasy points in this effort. If he goes off on my bench and I am just stashing him in case there's a turnaround based on the talent that we saw last season, fine. Then that will be my green light to start him moving forward. But until that happens, I'm not even going to get salty about something happening on my bench because I'd rather it occurred there than him continuing to like put a grenade in the rest of my roster. - I totally agree with you Liz. Just like in the real NFL, I think, and tell me if you disagree with this. But like in the real NFL, players that have a higher draft price often get a longer ability, a longer line, yes, right? And when it's fantasy football, I do the same thing. There's like a little bit of draft equity. I invested this much into a guy. That only lasts for so many weeks. Obviously you get to a point where it doesn't mean anything. Drake May isn't one of those guys though. Drake May was not an early round pick. Drake May was in the middle round, so it shouldn't be that hard for you to move on from where you grabbed him, I don't think. - I mean, I think two quick things. He was the QB3 coming off of most boards, but your point is positional. You talked about Umarri and Hampton earlier, right? Like at the running back position, you are going to treat that differently than you will quarterback because quarterback is so deep, because Geno Smith, you can stream, because cousins you can apparently stream, you don't need to start Drake May. So I want people to feel like they don't have to be as tied to their ADP over the summer at the quarterback positions. You have to be a little bit more flexible based on the player. Gel to mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all day comfy grip. Just plump, dewy hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. - Maybe it's Mavily. - Bryce Young's hype train, unfortunately. - Slow down a little bit. - Yeah, I don't really love that here in Genske, Cleveland. Both Jalen Coker and Teterol McMillan, not great, Jalen Coker got banged up in this one. He was banged up coming into the game and then also got injured while he was in the game and left early. That would have maybe made you think that Teterol McMillan would get a little bit extra love here, didn't really work out that way. Bryce Young only 13.6 fantasy points, but let me ask you this question, Liz, if you don't mind. In spite of Bryce Young playing so poorly, if you had Drake May, and Bryce Young was on the waiver wire, and you knew he drew the Detroit Lions next week. Lions who just gave up 23 fantasy points to Tyler Schuck, 40 fantasy points to Josh Allen, and 26 fantasy points to Juno Smith. - Excellent. - Do you think that you would be grabbing Bryce Young and potentially playing him over Drake May this week? - Well, I can't go on a tear about sitting Drake May and streaming at the position and then not in fact stream at the position because that's what you do when you play the matchup. So yes, I would play Bryce Young against your Detroit Lions if I was choosing to stream, which I think people should do. Also, if I get some DMs about Darren Waller because he has found the end zone and he surprised again to it, guys, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying emotionally, I can't do it. - Yeah, I'm with you. I am and on past catchers though, even though Teterol McMillan had a bad week, and Jalen Coker left early, past catchers against the Lions. I just want to tell you this really quickly. Liz, week one, Chris Olave had 28.2 and Devon Valle had 19.9 fantasy points. Both of those are really good numbers. In week two, Dalton King Cade had 22.5 because DJ Morgan got banged up and missed that game. He just took over. In week three, Garrett Wilson had 26.7 and Kenyansadeek had 23.5. There's been at least one 20 point score on the other side of the Detroit Lions every single week that is not the quarterback. - I don't know what you're doing this to yourself, buddy. Like you're gonna be rolling out those stats for the rest of this game, so it's personal. I hope that this is cathartic at least. - Oh, it feels no. It helps to be able to get it out because here's the thing. It creates a great fantasy matchup when I'm watching my Detroit Lions. That part I can at least buy into. I'm not buying into Marvin Harrison Jr. I'm out. Right, we're done. At this point, like he's dropable. If I had Marvin Harrison Jr., I'm good dropping him and moving on because it seems clear that Michael Wilson is the guy. - I mean, I think Arizona's about to do the same thing. When I'm listening to their head coach talk about his jogging style and some sort of vague defense of him get out of here. And also, I think to your point, no MHJ, no problem because Stanford grad Michael Wilson goes absolutely off. He drew 17 targets, Michael Wilson did. Converted 11 of those for 89 yards and a touchdown nearly 26 fantasy points. We're not messing around with Marvin Harrison Jr. at this point. Jeremiah Love though, starting to round into form. Would you agree? - Looking fantastic. 21 carries 90 yards. 15, excuse me, five receptions for 19 yards. Wasn't super efficient, but he did find the end zone. 21.9 fantasy points. I'm not gonna ask for anything more than that from Jeremiah Love. If he's gonna give me 20 plus, I'm gonna be fine with the way he gives it to me. So no issues there. - Yeah, his former college teammate, Jadari in price, however, did not impress yet again. I think it's time that we gotta maybe start grabbing Charbonne wherever possible and planning for a changing of the guard, but one that is much more positive, yeah? - Yeah, Charbonne rostered in about 50% of league. So he should be a heavy waiver target this week with the way that they have started at the running back position in Seattle. Doesn't feel good 'cause I was all in on Jadari in price and it just feels like I swung and missed this one. There was an opportunity there for this young kid that was drafted early on to take over a backfield. It's a super bowl winning backfield and through the first three weeks, unfortunately, we have not seen it. I think just like you said, yeah, it's weak. - Zach Charbonne has to be a top waiver priority for you guys this week. - Outch, baby. Very outch. - All right, Liz, unfortunately, a lot of injuries to dive into here for week three. Why don't you give us the information we need to know. - All right, let's rip through it because it's never fun. Devon, Achan, suffered a knee injury. Jeff Hathley said after Sunday's loss to the chief that Achan's knee injury quote does not sound very optimistic. Breeze Hall suffered a thigh injury. He was ruled out for the remainder of Sunday's game against the Lions in the fourth quarter. We'll keep everyone updated on that as more information materializes. Jalen Coker, we mentioned earlier, suffered a quad injury. Now he came into the game with an ankle injury. He is quote not concerned, but we should be and we will keep tabs on it. Justin Jefferson, an ankle issue. This is not turning out to be the bounce back effort that we were hoping for Justin Jefferson. He exited in the first back, came back onto the sideline with his ankle tape, but then went back into the locker room and did not. return. Mike Evans, we discussed earlier, suffered that rib injury, Travis H&N left the game with an undisclosed injury in the second half. Mark Andrews hurt Mark Andrews, hurt his hand. He left in the second quarter after catching just one of three targets. Baker Mayfield, oh this one was rough at the end of the contest. He was screaming in pain after trying to extend the plate. Looks like it's a thumb issue. We're obviously managing that one. And then Bucky Irving, also a Tampa Bay Buccaneer, exited with something that was undisclosed. He was on the sideline for much of the fourth quarter. It's unclear when or how he picked up the issue. But obviously moving forward as more information comes to light, we will update everyone. That is the list of injuries for week three. Too long of a list of injuries to be honest, but I really appreciate the info and we will continue to monitor those throughout the week. But you know what's not too long? Do another five episodes of fantasy focus and a bonus episodes of facts versus feelings with you on Thursday, Liz Lose. That's going to be a ton of fun. Don't forget to love each other and be kind to yourself, my friends. You deserve it. We will see you at some point this week.