Week 2 Winners & Losers: Biggest Takeaways From Every Game! + Caleb Williams Injury Reaction (09/20 Fantasy Football Podcast)

>> This is fantasy football today from CBS Sports it's time to dominate your fantasy Lee now here's some combination of Adam Dave Jamie and he okay week two Sunday is basically in the books are waiting for Sunday night football to start we welcome you here to fantasy football today Adam is where he's coming Jamie isburg and Dave Richard how many I got two trivia questions for you how many players outscored Jackson Smith and Jigba in PPR this week. >> Not you get three hero. >> Oh three named them he's. >> Josh Allen. >> Yeah. >> You can stop there's just Josh Allen. >> Okay, yeah, six. >> I don't know we were counting quarterbacks. >> Oh, we are I said players their players to Dave. >> Come on, bro, here's another trivia question. What do the Sean Watson C.J. Stroud, Jaden Daniels and Brock Purti have in common. They all did something today the Sean Watson C.J. Stroud Jaden Daniels and Brock Purti. They all led their team in rushing rushing. They all have their team rushing really. >> I looked at one point and Brock Purti was averaging 10 yards per rush attempt and he was more efficient per pass attempt. >> Oh my goodness. He was amazing today. Another great day for Brock Purti. All right, listen, big injuries today. K the Williams hamstring. Maybe won't be as bad as we feared. I guess he was walking with a slight limp after the game. Jaden Daniels, Tom Brady wasn't happy with it. Arm injury, probably an elbow. I don't know if officially they said that so far. >> What did you say, Jamie? >> No, he didn't say anything. >> He said no, dude, stop, stop, stop. Edit it out, Thomas. All right. >> That's rude. >> Yeah, let's stop doing this for now. >> Yeah, it's it's rude. >> If they can say it on national TV, we can say it here. >> Yeah, we can. >> You're making more work for Thomas, Jamie. >> All right, stop. Anyway, we'll talk about those injuries and what they mean for everyone in fantasy and hopefully we'll get good news. You know, honestly, just fingers crossed. I thought Jaden Daniels is going to be out for the year last year and he wasn't, so you never know. Dave, who's the biggest winner today? >> There are some big time candidates, but I'm going to go with a guy that had one catch for two yards last week and everybody was running to the exits on. The Denver Broncos passing offense and Jalen Waddle. Eight catches, 138 yards, big time game, double digits and targets. Did what we expected him to do? Just a monster game over 20 PPR points. No more questions about whether or not you should start or sit him. He was started in 57% of CBS leagues. That number's going to go up to 90% in week three. >> Week three against the Rams and he also was a yard short of a touchdown and then JK Dobbins got three straight chances and couldn't get in from the one yard line. Heath, who is the biggest loser today? >> I can't hear it. >> Heath? >> I can't hear it. That says-- >> It's so bad. I'm sorry. I ruined it. It was fantastic before the show. >> It was great to be like, Jack. >> Yes, no, jokes aside. I think it has to be Colston Loveland. Like I woke up on Monday morning last year, last week, with so much shame for my little mini freak out over Colston Loveland after week one. And I had tweets about it and I thought, you guys are right. I'm just going to rank him as tied into again. And he was tied into on his own team again. >> Yeah, even though obviously it was a bad weather game and Caleb threw for 138 yards, they were facing the Vikings and all that. He still only had three targets. And now he's got to deal with a quarterback injury. By the way, Heath was playing the San Diego Supercharger song. That's the biggest-- >> You couldn't hear it at all. And you could hear it perfectly before. It's so annoying. >> I'm sorry, it was a bad job. >> It was a good mind. >> Yeah, it was, yeah. I've never seen Heath dance before. >> Well, let's talk about the Bears, I guess, with the injury, guys. And, you know, you could throw a burden on there too. And it's just like, Klee Freeman's still doing his thing and being involved. He had five targets, burden had seven. >> Tyson Beijing gave me a little bit of hope for loser burden. >> Yeah, Tyson Beijing, though, obviously it's a while. It was 2023, his rookie season. He was horrible in four-stars, DJ Moore. DJ Moore had the best year of his career. And then in four games of Tyson Beijing, he had right around 50 yards and no touchdowns at every game. But that was different coordinator, different player. But, yeah, I mean, in general, with all of the Bears, Jamie, how concerned are you right now? >> Highly concerned, you know, I think the run game, you're still going to start DeAndre Swift and Manongai will still be in the flex conversation. But it's easier to get away from burden and no dunes day that it is to get away from Loveland because now you have to either carry two tight ends or make the decision to drop Colston Loveland because you can't start him at this point. You know, it's not just, oh boy, here's now Tyson Beijing. It's now two games of Klee Freeman and the offense not running through Colston Loveland like we thought and certainly what we saw at the end of last season. And you know, like it was just bad across the board to see the last play of the game for the Bears where he's trying to block Dallas Turner and just got completely destroyed. Like he's not a blocker. Let's just stop trying to force him into situations that are not going to be successful for him. So I think you just have to go with the idea of carry two tight ends, see how it looks for one more week. If you go through, next week, let's just say, you're picking up Darren Waller. I'm trying to think of the tight ends. They're going to be in the way we are. Darren Waller or-- Well, Schultz. You know, Schultz is 60% roster, Jamie. Schultz, you know, or whoever the case may be. Hunter Henry, you know, there's going to be a handful of guys that we talk about. If that's your pivot play and then you come out of that game with that player playing at a high level. Again, I don't think we're ready to cut Colston's loved one, but there's this less like purgatory of players or players stuck in purgatory that we get stuck with, that you know when they're dropped, they'll be picked up. You'll be happy that somebody else probably picks them up. Like Marvin Harrison's now in this range of player and loved one maybe in this range of player of guys in Brian Thomas, you know, the same thing with him last year and maybe the same thing now. Where you're just dropping these guys or wanting to drop these guys and their names are still good, their games are not. Well, OK. I mean, we're really talking about being even close to dropping Colston's loved one. Because I get it with Marvin Harrison Jr. But he was picked like four rounds, three or four rounds after Colston's loved one. Again, I'm not saying you're dropping Colston's loved one now. If this continues for another week or two, when we start getting a buy weeks and you have roster crunch scenarios, like that's where you may have to go. OK, well, I think, yeah, if we have a third week of single digit receiving yards, you can't blame anybody for dropping them. We don't hold anybody else that has three straight weeks with no production at all and no positive sign. I guess he ran a lot of routes. He ran a lot of routes. He almost had to touch on it. The same thing as last week. Remember, the almost touchdown he had on a post route toward the end of the game. Same thing. Second, the last play of the game. Bagen threw low. Listen, his stat line would have been two catches a touchdown, like five yards. It's still not great. I think one of the things you have to hope for is that the Bears coaching staff sits down and says, all right, what can we do differently? Especially now that we don't have Caleb Williams as our quarterback. And the first thing they say is, let's draw some stuff up for Colson Lovelin, who's this mismatch at tight end. I think that's almost what you have to hope for. Yeah, but that's part of the problem now. I don't think that's the route they go, Dave. I think the route they go is DeAndre Swift and Menongai and BS Conservatives, you possibly can't, because their defense thinks they don't want to be in shootouts with teams. Like, you have Tyler Beijing in that game last week. They lose against the Panthers. They're not scoring 59 points with him. True. And they couldn't do anything against a good defense today. So I don't think the idea is, let's draw a place to make it pass-friendly. I think it's draw a place to, let's try and win any way we possibly can. And when you're dissecting it, yes, Colson Lovelin is still a great player, but their best way to win is through DeAndre Swift and Menongai. That's what they always do, though. We know that going in, but Ben Johnson run heavy guy, but he runs so many plays that they're going to, you know, typically you would expect them to be like 10th or 12th in pass attempts. But what, you know, sort of a top, the league in Russia attempts, they're always going to be a run first team, probably with him. This is just, yeah, it's crazy stuff. It is strange, though, because like Dave put out the video last week, and I think it was probably true again this week. Like Colson, it's not like Colson Lovelin's not open. And as soon as Beijing came in, it was three straight throws to burden. And he was either open or making good plays in tight spaces. Like, I don't understand how Ben Johnson talks so positively about these guys. And then it's just as if they aren't even part of Caleb's game plan, right? Well, let's also factor in Adam. You were very much banging the drum for this this morning about the weather. And so the weather was a factor. And Minnesota's defense is still really good. I know they looked bad last week against Green Bay and Jordan Love. It's still a really good Brian Flores led defense that is going to create havoc on most teams and cause problems for most teams. And so weather, good defense, disjointed offense for before Caleb got hurt. Like there's just a lot of things that play here that I think you'd say, okay, this, this, this, this, and this is working it was working against the Bears so I hope that we get a better performance or I shouldn't say a better performance. I think we'll all be okay and maybe it's just me, but if there's target opportunities for Colson Loveland and you know, you know, even if he stinks, it's oh, yeah, he had seven targets, but he finished three for four, you know, three for 28 or something like that. You know, you'll still be okay, they're trying and and we can bank on them trying. You can bank on them trying, but if it's going to be a bunch of three for 48 or whatever you said, it's going to be some of those. No, but I think when you get back, I think we just can't make it at that point. No, but you, you can't feel great about any of these guys if Beijing does the quarterback and that goes, you got to get a six minute. Right. But I just think they're going to have to throw at some point. They're defensive and any good, just like you said, they can't lean on the run and expect to win a bunch of games going away that way. They're going to have to put the ball in the air. The easiest thing in the world for them to do is do half, half of what they could do. They already did. And that's have agent look for burden. The other half is getting loved and involved and just drop some easy stuff for him. I don't know if we're going to see any of those huge games from him like we saw at the end of last year. I think that ship has sailed. But if we get him five for 60, that's not so bad. That ship has not sailed. The ship of Colson Loveland Williams has done for the year. That ship is way out into the lake, like that pirate ship in the goonies. But you didn't say that. And then you said that if he's out for the year, then yes, the ship is probably two or three weeks. And of course, it's still possible. Okay. All right. So we'll keep an eye on the bear situation. He's not the only loser. I mean, Luther Burton struggling. They're all struggling except for Swift, really. And he fumbled at the goal line. Huge play there. He's what's coming up on FFT dynasty. You know, I think we talk about this on Sunday night. We spend the week kind of trying to figure it out for next week. And the dynasty discussion around Colson Loveland is all off. It's obviously not. Are you dropping him? Everybody in the dynasty should hold him all year long. But like, how do we react and move to these moves? So that's what we're talking about on Tuesday. And yeah, I just saw a question in the chat, not super relevant for the listening audience. But Dave, people want to, one person want to know what to do with Pukka, Nakua. Are you expecting him to play at this point? I don't think, if he does play, I don't think he'll be particular. Because that's the game of the week. Let me choice left on the board. It was your best match to win yet. Default game of the week. Hey, well, that you know who gave me this idea shout out Pat from Ohio tweeted me and said you got to get Dave tonight with game of the week. All right. Sorry. I've been talking to you, Pat. Okay. News and notes. All right. So Jane Daniels left with the arm injury. What's a bigger deal for you guys in terms of the weapons? You know, McLaren digs, etc. versus the bearers guys. Is it the day lose injury or the, the Caleb one, Caleb by a mile. Yeah. Yeah, I think Mario to be okay for the past catchers. But even so, like McLaren has kind of drifted into this maybe start range. And digs in a maybe start range. Like we were expecting burden and leveling to be must start guys. Right. And now if you're in a super flex league, Mario is one to go get. He scored more than 20 fantasy points and four of his seven starts for. He played seven games. We played all or almost all of the snaps and scored over 20 fantasy points in four of those games. Wasn't amazing, but if you need a quarterback, Mario is just in time for him to play Seattle in week three. That's a good point. That's a good point. After that, it's pretty good. But yeah. Okay. The Williams hamstring and Cooper Rush got benched for Jack Strand, whose first pass was a pick six. We had a lot of fumbles. A lot of fumbles. I think Pentax is going to start Thursday. I think so too. Okay. Let's hope that would be who they play. They are playing Breve. Okay. Oh, those packers. What a great team. Anyway, a lot of fumbles. We had Ramandri Stevenson fumbling Caleb Johnson fumbled. You know, I don't like it when when coach is always penalized players for fumbles when the other team recovers it. But Caleb Johnson fumbled and March on Lloyd fumbled. But the difference was Lloyd's fumbled was a loss fumble. And he got benched afterwards. You've got to be elite like Justin Herbert and fumble three times and have your team have your team recovered all three times. Also, Tucker Kraft fumbled right after Caleb Johnson fumbled. The Andre Swift fumbled at the goal line. Jadarion price fumbled. And he also hurt his chest. X-rays were negative on Jadarion price. A manual Wilson had what do you have 17 carry 21 carries or something like that. You had a lot of them. He had a bunch and 21 for 92. 21 and 14 of his carries came after Jadarion prices last carry. So if you're looking at that box, we're going what happened there? That's what happened. Uh, other running back news. Jonathan Brooks re aggravated. Oh, Oh, Maureen Hampton fumbled for the second time. So we got to think about Keaton Mitchell here because he fumbled in two straight games coaches hate that. Jonathan Brooks re aggravated his groin injury. Chubah Hubbard is a must start until further notice. JK Dobbins has a hamstring injury. Jonah Coleman did all right. I think it was 10 carries for 39 yards and a touchdown. Um, green patches for 19 yards, too. Yeah. RJ Harvey was out as well. Rico Dowdle left with a toe injury came back and left again. Ashton Gentie had two or three jobs. I think we said three drops in this game. He also limped off in the fourth quarter, but he came back. Aaron Jones left in the second half, but he came back. Sequan Barclay. This one I lost track of. I know he missed basically all of the first half. He came back, but he had no touches. Did you not play that much in the second half? He played 10 snaps in the entire game, played mostly in the third quarter. And I think he had one snap in the fourth quarter. All right. It's a dislocated elbow for Jaden Daniels. No fracture, according to Tom Pellicero. I'm not going to sit here and act like I know what the timeline is. Also a report that says slight hamstring issue for JK Dobbins. There is optimism. He'll be on the field next week against the Rams. Wide receivers. There's also optimism for Mike Evans. He didn't. He left with a hip injury. They kind of downplaying it. But we'll see. To Marcus Robinson has an ankle injury. Could be a high ankle sprained for 49ers. Receiver to Marcus Robinson. Yeah, they don't have any injuries. Jaden Reed left in the first quarter with potentially serious injury. Dallas Goddard left with a knee injury. Patriots tied in Eli Rarard and got hurt. And David and Joku was carted off and we did get a touchdown on only two targets for a Ronde Gatson. I believe Charlie Kohler got hurt too. He did. Oh, wow. Okay. Thank you. Baltimore left tackle. Ronnie Stanley left. He played. He played most of the game. 44 snaps. But he came into the game injury. He was questionable. He played Ronnie Stanley left with an injury. Patriots right tackle. Mike and one and own Wenwu. Sorry. It was carted off in the first half. It looks like a season ender for their right tackle. That's a tough break for them. Packers offensive line is super beat up. They lost two guys today. And both wash. I mean, the Daniels injury is bad. Of course, it's the worst. But both tackles got hurt for Washington. I think one of them is going to end up being a concussion. That caused me. Yeah, it caused me. I didn't see what happened to Coleman. But both tackles got hurt there. And I'll go over the defensive stuff later in the week or something like that. It caused me to guard. Oh, is he? I'm sorry. Really? I thought they were saying tackle. That's not. He was. I don't really. It's their tackle. They're right. My fault. But he might be like their best remaining offensive lineman. Yeah. That's my dad. All right. We're going to take a break. Early waiver wire winners and losers. When we come back on a very banged up injured ho hum day in fantasy football. We'll be right back. My companion for this summer season has been Z biotics. Let me tell you why. Just headed out to a concert at pier 17. How am I? What a show. I got home at 3 a.m. And I realized 8 a.m. Tea time. What am I going to do? I got a big match. No worries at all. I took Z biotics the night before. Had a few drinks woke up the next day. Like nothing happened. Got to that course at 7 a.m. warmed up and won my match. Z biotics pre alcohol probiotic drink is the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. 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Right now looks awesome and I think you know if you're the Drake May manager the Justin Herbert manager obviously Daniel's manager cable Williams manager. Bryce young could get you through whatever this period of time is and maybe be somebody you can lean on for the entire season something I never thought I would say when the year started. You still have a couple guys that we talked about last week you know Jacob ever set I think I'll still be okay as a low and starting option Malik was got you know okay numbers for what the game was but. you know, got lucky with the lay touchdown. And then, you know, David alluded to Mark Smyriota, or you did that in Mark Smyriota, you know, has an opportunity here, depending on how long he's out to be a potential viable starter for you. General Coleman would be the biggest name at running back and maybe the biggest name across the board if we don't have JK Dobbins or RJ Harvey, and this could be the guy who's the starting running back for the Broncos for who knows. You know, I mean, we know that John Payne was excited about him at the start of during camp and didn't do much in week one, but got his opportunity in week two. He is 50 -- I got him in 49% roster. So, you know, easy, easy pivot play there. You got to look at Emmanuel Wilson now with the work that he got not knowing what these status is for a generic price. So I think those are obvious running back ones. We'll talk more about the other guys, I think, as we get into the week. And then, a wide receiver, you know, we talked about this this morning, Rashad Bateman after we found out that Lacan was in the play. I said Bateman was my favorite replacement receiver. And he certainly held up his end of the bargain with his performance and get the Saints, you know. So hopefully, as they flowers back, where are we out of the bet, because Devante had a big game. So, the playing field is now leveled. I'm guessing total points is Devante at this point. Devante is now up 10 points in total points and behind by eight points in points per game. Wow. Geez. Yeah. You needed Zay to play and they got hurt not to sit up. Also, the Dalton Schultz, for sure, tied in. Yeah. And I was going to get to the episode. Yeah. Schultz, I think, counter-Henry, you know, both those guys are going to be involved in their respective offenses. We got the answer for the Patriots. You know, it's Romeo Dobbs. And, you know, DeMario Dobris was a non-factor, Mac Collins was a non-factor. I think it was good, you know, for people that invested in Romeo Dobbs and held on to him. It was really some level of a decent performance here. So that's one I think you look at Trey Tucker, you know, huge game for him. We thought we'd get it last week, we didn't, we got it this week, for sure. And I don't think there's any reason to go away from him as, you know, a potential borderline starter in three or three or three weeks. Okay. How about the number one rookie wide receiver and a current top 12 wide receiver? Denzel. Denzel Boston. Mm-hmm. Yeah. How about that? How often it came alive today in the second half, it was quite impressive. Yeah, the shot played well. Let's get into the pulse pounding performances brought to you by Woop, the wearable device that gives you personalized insights into your sleep recovery, your strain, and how daily choices may be influencing your overall well-being. Heath and Jamie, they got their woops on right now and always. And if you want to learn more ahead to join dot Woop, W-H-O-O-P, join dot woop dot com slash FFT. All right. Here we go. Heath, your winners are Travion Henderson and the aforementioned price young Travion started in only 30% of leagues, understandably he had a 39 year touchdown run. He had, I think, 10 more carries than Ramondri Stevenson. What do you make of it? Well, listen, I don't think you want to make too much of it, but I think Travion moves right back into that high and flex borderline RB2 range where we had him for a large part of last year, where you know on any given play, he can score enough fantasy points to make it a good day. It was a little disappointing that he didn't do anything in the passing game, but Stevenson fumbled Henderson got the next drive, Henderson housed one. And then Henderson was just kind of the guy for not all of the rest of the game and certainly not when they wanted somebody in there to pass protect doesn't seem like they trust him in that regard, but 57% rush share, 60% snap share, that's a good day. And now we know that's at least possible. And I think Stevenson's look pretty sluggish as a runner early on this year. So we might be saying right now he's a borderline RB2 and we might be saying next week it looks like Travion Henderson is just an RB2. So very exciting. And I think Bryce Young, another guy you don't want to make too much about it, but like Ajaymi said, he's a must add currently the QB two. We like two of his pass catchers Darren Waller is adequate in a part time role and he's been on fire. So go add Bryce Young. Dave, your winners are Dalton Schultz 60% rostered and Bryce Young 53% rostered. So these are not just winners. These are waiver wire guys and Aaron Jones who has started in 57% of leagues. He's pretty much universally rostered, but Jones look great. All game long, just a bunch of four plus yard runs against Chicago and if Minnesota lost this game, I probably would have said they needed to use them even more, but he got a ton of run. He looked good. He's turned back the clock. When he got hurt, I thought to myself, oh man, like terrible timing, but he came back and finished the game. Hopefully he's fine. The Vikings absolutely need him. And fancy managers do two. He's an RB2 moving forward and that's where we had him right through two weeks Dalton Schultz has 22 targets, 16 catches and 175 yards. He has one awesome game for non-PPR, two awesome games for half and full people. Well, I don't know about awesome. Week one wasn't great, but at eight targets with it, clearly a guy that CJ Stroud is going to lean on, especially when they're chasing points, by all means, you can feel good about starting Dalton Schultz. You think when Nico Collins comes back? Even then. You know, I think part of the problem is that, I don't know, man, like, is this defense for Houston playing to the expectation that we thought it would be? I thought the answer is no, but they also played Josh Allen and Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow. And Burrow had no OK game. I didn't mean Josh Allen went to town, but Joe Burrow was just OK in this game. The two touchdowns to Jamar Chase were awesome. Jamar was awesome. But it makes me wonder, like if this defense isn't shutting people down, it's going to force Stroud to have heavy pass volume, and when that happens, you're going to get a lot of targets for Schultz. I think that the bigger question for me might be, can they run the ball even a little bit? Because like David Montgomery scored the touchdowns in week one, but he was terribly inefficient running the football, and that it was even worse this week. I just don't think they have a run game. I think we have a good defense also for the Bengals. The run defense is going to be, I think, tough. Adam, did they snap the streak? The Bengals? The 26 games in a row where the Texans had not allowed multiple receivers to score 12 or more PPR fantasy points, and that streak is. I wasn't sure if it was two guys in the top 24 is what your stat was, so yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, very cool. And I got to be honest with you. I was a little nervous about it starting Higgins, but he came through with a really good game. Jamie, your winners are George Kittle, who had four catches for 80 yards in a touchdown on four targets, and Trey Tucker, who had five for 119 in a touchdown on seven targets does it bother you at all? I think this information could change, but as of right now, I've got George Kittle at 53% of the routes. Is that bother you? He's working his way back, and so the fact that A, he's played in the first two games is the most encouraging thing. B, that he had this game for the people that started him and were rewarded. And then C, we had a Mike Evans injury. So that just, I think, just increases the chances of him continuing to be a go-to guy for a Brock party. It looks awesome. The 49er schedule is great. I think as long as Kittle's healthy, you look at some of the tight end production that we got. We started the entire show talking about how bad Colston Lovelin is. If you, by chance, were able to draft George Kittle with Colston Lovelin, you're thrilled right now because you have a great fallback option. So the people that got Kittle late and later as their process went through its ebbs and flows of his back, maybe he's going to be slow to start the season, all that information that we were given at different times, you're getting rewarded right now by a guy that we know the upside is. So it's great to just see him back on the field and I think things are trending in the right direction for him. So yes, you'd like to see him have more of everything, but this was a game where I thought they may not need him very much because how bad the dolphins are and that you get the touchdown. It was a great route, great play design. It just shows you how good George Kittle can still be and probably going to get to another level. In the case of Tray Tucker, this is what we were hoping for. We're hoping to see him get targets, get opportunities. He just, you know, from the jump, it was a lot of Tray Tucker. Now the caveat to this is it sounds like Brock Bauer is going to play next week, did a lot in pre-game warmups, came back to practice on Friday. So my guess is that if he's good to go, he's back out there that lowers the ceiling a little bit for Tucker. But, you know, as we sort of said, once it was a little clear that Jalen Neller was not going to be the guy and that Tray Tucker might be the guy, you could have a borderline wide receiver three, certainly somebody to put on the end of your bench. And if this happens again at any point, you know, then you start to put him in the starting conversation. So, just good to see Tray Tucker after I think some people probably dropped him because I know they did based on his roster percentage, it was like in the low 70s and then it dropped down to the low 50s. Go back and pick him up again. All right, Tray Tucker, 51% rostered, only 3% started. And thank you to Woop for sponsoring this week's pulse pounding performances with Woop. You can better understand how your body is responding to the travel, the training, the late nights, the weather changes. It helps you see what's supporting your energy and recovery and what might be holding you back so you can make meaningful changes to enhance your overall health. Once again, if you'd like to join us and tons of other Woop users and learn how you can get a free month on us, head to this website and Woopispel wh-o-o-p. Now onto the losers, we've got David Montgomery. He had six carries for 10 yards and two catches for 14 yards and I think he was started in almost every league. David Montgomery, let's see. he was 92% started. So he's a loser for Jamie and so is Drake May and we got to talk about Drake May who had a terrible game. Eight fantasy points against the Steelers. So May, I was nervous about this was not what you wanted to see. You know, he had a bad interception. I thought he would run a little bit more. It looked like that was going to be part of the game playing early in the game. Didn't really have to do that very much. The defense played great. Like I think if you recall how when we were breaking down this game, I thought it'd be a low scoring game just because of how these two offenses were most likely going to operate. So Bryce Young is an easy replacement until AJ Brown gets back. If you want to go that route, I'm probably going to bench him in tough matchups and I don't think that Drake May is match up proof right now. I know last year he did not have AJ Brown. He also does not have Stefan Diggs who was clearly a big piece of this offense. So he'll have better performances than this. The Steelers defense just is, you know, still a formidable opponent, but I'm just not very confident in Drake May right now knowing that he's just a little bit off and coming. This is now going into the game. He was averaging 17 PPR 17 17 fancy points per game in his last six. Again, that's the playoffs and the Super Bowl two games against Seattle and that stretch. So it was just some really good defense. I think Seattle excuse me Pittsburgh, you know, qualifies, but I just don't I just don't think it's automatic starting Drake May anymore right now. And from Montgomery, he sort of hit on this earlier like they you got lucky last week with the touchdowns. The thing that I was encouraged about last week was the three catches. And so hopefully still remains involved in the passing in five catches in two weeks is about what you would expect for you know, David Montgomery if you're talking about him being more involved in the passing game. But when we did by low sell high on Wednesday, I think this was one of the I don't remember as I said it, but I know one of them said about trying to sell David Montgomery like that. This was the opportunity because you know, multiple touchdown games will happen for him, but his value was probably not going to be as high. He'll get back to a higher level. I just also think the Cincinnati run defense is going to end up being very good with Dexter Lawrence and Jonathan Allen in there. And I know Bucky had a good game against them in week one. A lot of that had to do with just his performance. When they face a plotter like this, I think they're going to do damage against the opposing running back. So that has to do with it as well. So hopefully Montgomery is better in week three. Montgomery getting the Colts in week three on the road and Cowboys and Titans. So plenty of chances for him to get some numbers. Yeah, truthfully, I hope that when Nico Collins is back, he's he's better, you know, I mean, it's fair point. Yep. Right. Just the offense will be better. Um, okay, go to Dave's losers here. I don't know how much you want to expand on it. Rome, Odin, Zay, Luther, Burton, and then Marvin Harrison. We haven't talked about him. One target, no catches in a bad day for the Cardinals offense. Yeah, not only 25% of fantasy managers started Marvin Harrison, but the other number is his roster ship, which is 96%. That number has got to go down. I had him ranked as my 100th overall player this week. And that was too high. He was in the 50s among wide receivers. That was too high. He is he is being given a role that you would expect somebody fast to have. And he is not that. They do not lean on him for his agility. They don't lean on him to be some sort of, um, contested catch guy. They lean into Tremac bride and rightfully so he's their best pass catcher. Michael Wilson's just okay. Kendrick Bourne had, like, what, two catches for 11 yards. Despite the entire passing offense being pretty much mediocre against Seattle and it is Seattle, but whatever. Still just one target from Marvin Harrison. I look forward to going over his film after this game and seeing him running down the field, usually at three quarter speed and then turning around and going back to the huddle and then doing it again. He is literally doing something that you would expect, uh, add and I Mitchell to do. Our name a fast receiver. It wasn't like what Christian Watson used to do, you know? Yeah, and that's perfect because who has coached Christian Watson for many years, except for whatever reason, Michael the floor and maybe he's just realized that the best way to use Marvin Harrison is just put him over on the side like the last fat kid picked for flags and you put him over on the sideline and you say, okay, you just go deep every time. And the quarterback said, yeah, sure, I'm going to throw it to you and then he never throws it to you and it ruined my life, Brian Banderley Karen. We're going to be where you obviously cannot start Marvin Harrison and there's going to become there's going to come a point in the very near future where you are going to cut. All right, let's do it. Would you drop him for uh, Dalton Schultz? Yes, assuming I needed to find it, like let's say I'm in a world where I've got, I don't know, Marvin Harrison, Jr. and Colson, Lublin or Drake May and Marvin Harrison, Jr. I need to pick up somebody. Hell yeah, man. Bye, Marvin. Okay, would you drop him for trade talker? Yeah, maybe, maybe like when am I going to use, Marvin? We need the, uh, the Pam from the office. That's the same picture. No, they are not the same picture because I think her is fast and that's what scares me is I do think Marvin Harrison's probably going to have a good game. No, he's mopeded, Marvin. He'll have good games. He will. No, he won't. He'll never, Dave is writing him off. It's over. It is. He's watching play. I know watching play and tell me that this is somebody that you think has a chance to have a really good game. I didn't draft him any leagues for his exact reason, Dave. His tape is terrible and, um, and his role is terrible. And now speaking of terrible, oh my gosh, I was going to, I lost it today. What a drive. Yeah, it was a good drive by the coast. I lost the cult to go to the Super Bowl. I lost it. The cults are going to the Super Bowl. I said that last week. It's all right. It's time to double down on the beard bad with that one. All right. With the, with the Travis ETN H and stuff, not the pronunciation, the usage. I mean, I think Camaro had almost nothing in the second half at least. And we saw ETN, sorry, HN near the goal line here, a two-point conversion. I think he had a touchdown called back. There's enough encouraging stuff there, but Heath, he's one of your losers with great reason. And I'm so annoyed. Why pay this guy when you have the worst, like, the worst running back in football for the last four years and you give him like 10 touches before when ETN has two. And I can't even say ETN's name right anymore. I'm losing it, Heath. I am losing it. What is going on here? I think it was kind of rude of him to lie to us and say his last name is pronounced HTML. It's actually Pacheco. That's wrong, but very right. No, I don't, I don't. I think Kellen Moore is a really smart offensive coach. And so I have a hard time believing that he will do what he did in this game again. It was absurd. Travis H and was third on the Saints in rush attempts. Alan Camara, I believe, caught five passes for six years. It was like, that is, that they won the game. So maybe they won't be as discouraged to do that. Something like that again. But I don't, you can't start him. He's basically Jacori Croskey-Maro right now. Well, um, but at least he, he's playing near the goal line. I don't know what's going on, but Jacori Croskey-Maro, Richaud White just basically replaced him. In the second half, I want to see if Camara had any touches in the second half. He had, he had four carries and he did not have a catch in the second half. Four carries for five yards, which is, you know, that's Camara for you. Travis H and had six carries for 16 yards and two catches for six yards. All right. So he's frustrating. Understand that you're going to be hesitant to start him. He does get the Raiders next week. The two and O Las Vegas Raiders. All right. We're going to get in. It'll be nice to see the Raiders play a good team. It will, it will be. All right. We're going to get into the games when we come back on fantasy football today. A lot of almost touchdowns today, but honestly, we're so much to talk about. I think we'll just get into the games in terms of the goal line. Oh, man, I think we did not see Sean Tucker at the goal line, which was good. We saw Tony Pollard basically be the goal line guy. We saw a lot of stuff for Seattle, but unfortunately, Jordan Price got some opportunities, but not enough of the opportunities near the goal line. And then Washington was weird. I mean, Rashad White was playing near the goal line. He had all their snaps inside the five. Wow. Rashad White also was there in some hurry-up situations, though, like when Jayden got hurt. Right. And the most, one of the more, well, something that was encouraging and then take a step back was Beijel Tutten. Tutten got a one-yard touchdown run on a direct snap. Later on in the game, they had a goal-to-go situation. I think around the five-yard line in Chris Rodriguez was in, but I would have guessed Rodriguez would be in at the one, and it was Tutten and he scored. So that was great to see. And then honestly, if the jets get down near the goal line, don't be surprised if it's Braille and Allen. I still don't think we have any. It may not be one guy, but don't be surprised if at times it's Braille and Allen. Okay, let's get to the games here, although we should mention that Tehran McLaren had three almost touchdowns. So he's the biggest tease this week. Since in Addy 20 and Houston 6th, I forgot about Believe It or Not. Do you want to do Believe It or Not? I think we, you killed it last week. Wow, it just officially. It's over. Believe it or not. Mike Gassicki did play in this game. But I guess I believe it. Zero targets, though. 20 rounds. I looked, because I didn't watch much of this game. And so I wanted to make sure we went from being like a top five tied in to not receiving a target, but it was good for Jamar Chase and T Higgins. Sounds like Mike Gassicki started in six percent. percent of leagues. So, and only rostered an 18%. No one bought it. I think that this is exactly what you want to see from the Bengals. They gave pretty much all of their touches to the three guys that we want them to go to. They didn't have to throw the ball much because they won 20 to six. And yes, their defense is improved. But yeah, I don't know. Joe Borough has 36.5 fantasy points in two games. Are we worried about Joe Borough? No. Okay. No. The Texans are the Texans. We talked about Montgomery, Hutchinson. If you still need someone next week, he gets targets. He doesn't do much with them. He had nine targets in this game. And then we talked about Schultz, who, yeah, I mean, would you say sell high on Schultz if someone's buying? I don't think anybody's buying. I think Dalton Schultz is going to be a top 12 tight end. I don't think anybody's buying Dalton Schultz the top six tight end. I think if you go to the loved one manager, you could probably get something for Dalton Schultz. Have you picked them up for, you know, just bleeps and giggles. Thank you, JB. Remove the word giggles from the show, please. Minnesota nine Chicago three and another thriller. Actually, this one was pretty exciting. Can we dismiss the crappy performances from, you know, car from Jefferson and Addison and just say it was the weather, but also kind of Murray is probably going to start next week, right? You would think cars and went to nothing to win the job. Right. Right. Fair. Yeah. And this was all Aaron Jones. Wentz had 20 pass attempts. Jones had 23 carries. Like they, they could not win this game without Aaron Jones today. What do you think about Addison keeping, keep her drop Jordan Addison? I'd prefer to keep him. Yeah. He's kind of in that puratory. You know, we got to, I'd like to see just what it looks like with a full game of culinary. Yes. Okay. On the Chicago side, yeah, we covered it. However, one thing we didn't really talk about was this Kalief Raymond role. Again, he had five targets and they had, I think they had 35 pass attempts, but that's still a two, it's still annoying. So do we have to lower our expectations for Loveland, Burton, and Odune's a even like, let's just say K the Williams is back in a few weeks. Does Kalief Raymond, if you knew what you know now when you were drafting with the Kalief Raymond role, we should drop those guys in your draft. I would not have drafted them as high. Correct. Yeah. And that's the beginning. What do you mean? Well, I mean, there's all the other factors that we now know about this team that two weeks ago, we didn't know. Yeah. And that, I mean, we're absolutely not taking Coleson Loveland. We're not taking any of these guys anywhere near where we were drafted them based on what we've seen from Caleb Williams. And then obviously now Caleb hurt plus Raymond having a role. Except we did see one game of of Caleb Williams, he's like, he was going to win the MVP. And then he was right. No, he was no way to help any of those guys. Right. Right. Yeah. I was job outlining it for part of those game. That game against Carolina. That's a great point. You know, it should be mentioned. He ran 10 times or he ran how many times he run in that game? 15 time. No. I don't know how many. He ran 10 times. He ran 10 times that he ran five times today. Yeah. That's a lot. He's running more so far this year. That could change with the hamstring. Carolina 30. No. I skipped a game. Cleveland 23 Tampa Bay 19 after a long weather delay. They finished this one up. Jamie Baker Mayfield did not come through. Are we done with him? Yeah. I mean, you might be, you know, Caleb manager, Jane Daniel's manager, you know, they might be excited to get Baker Mayfield does not have an easy match up in week three. You know, you're looking at two struggling performances right now. His offensive line has been bad. You know, I thought, again, that it was Cincinnati last week. That was a big reason why. And just okay, this bangle's defense could be legit. And then seeing it today against Cleveland, which Cleveland couldn't do anything against the Jaguars last week. It's not great, I think, for Baker up front. So he had a little bit of, you know, I don't want to say like bad luck because he had some bad throws, but he had guys open that he missed. And so if he hits, you know, herst had a essentially drop in the end zone that, you know, may have would have changed some things. And when they came back from the weather delay on the winning side and obviously his fantasy production. But really, Abukha has not had a great start. Chris Goblin has not had a great start. And the best player for Tampa Bay easily right now is Bucky Irving. So I hope as you alluded to, you know, we don't see Sean Tucker and we certainly am not seeing kind of the game. I don't know what the purpose of adding him has been if you're not going to use him as a weapon in the passing game. So really, at this point, it's, uh, Bucky is a must-start guy. Abukha is probably a maybe start guy. And Godwin is, you know, somebody, it's just standard bench. I thought watching Baker play today. It's like when he drops back to pass, nothing looks easy. No, that's a great way to put it. Like it just, and some of it's, I think some of it is his fault. And I think some of it is, he didn't have a lot of guys getting open. And some of it is just the whole thing looks disjointed. The offensive line and especially the tackles were letting pressure get near him. So he'd drop back and then immediately step up. And most of the time by some miracle, he avoided the passage pressure and made a throw down the field. But he got sacked, uh, I don't know how many times, not that many, right? Maybe three. He just gets hit so much. He gets hit a lot. He was the whole devil. You know, he likes the, he likes the look. Yeah, I don't, I don't know if he's holding it that much. I, I think the offensive line is really where the genesis of the problems are for Tampa. I think Jamie's right about that. And that's part of the reason why they struggled to get points up early on Cleveland. Okay. And I will say I think anyone in this boat, I was pretty high on Chris Goblin and I don't even want to start right now. I'm not going to drop him, but I don't want to. Why? I did drop him in one league, but it's kind of a shallower league. But look, it's two games. There's always going to be teams that are bad for a certain amount of time and turn things around. It could happen. I don't want to give up on a bigger mayfield had a 26 or a 27 game stretch from the end of 2023 to the first six games of 2025 where he averaged more than 24 fantasy points per game. He did it for two parts of two seasons and a full season in between. I'm not ready after two games to completely give up on that. Obviously, I'm less excited, less hopeful for it. I'm not quite ready to give up. And he's going to suck next week against Minnesota too. So I'm going to say it again. I'm not going to give up on it. But I, and I don't know if this, if these numbers are updated fully for, we always have this question on Sunday night. But either last week or through this week, Baker has the seventh highest time to pressure. And he's getting pressured. No, like two points, like, no, highest, long list. Oh, yes. 2.77 seconds. It's tied with Trevor Lawrence. I think he's holding the ball. All right. He's definitely holding the ball without questions on the ball. You watching me. He's holding the ball. Yeah. I think that's kind of his style. And as far as Cleveland goes, what are you? You're super bowl champions just to poop themselves. Listen, man, this, I think what you have to watch out with the Colts is they're going to come out with this scripted opening drive and look great. And what are they going to do afterwards? Right? Yeah. But it was, it was, it was the usual first read for Daniel Jones. That, I mean, it was a slant that got intercepted. I mean, Giants fans have nightmares about that. Anyway, what's, what, Dave, what do you tell Quinchon Juddkins managers right now? Hold, try not to start. It's hard to feel good about him. Here's a game that Cleveland won, but they won it on the arm of Deshaun Watson. How's that for his sons? He had five catches. He did. 12 carries 21 yards, though. 1.8 yards per carry. Speaking of offensive lines that aren't doing great, I think the run blocking could be a little bit better for Cleveland. And the five catches are great. 27 yards are fine. It's hard to start Quinchon. Juddkins expecting five catches every single week. I do think he, I don't know if the, this is official. I usually like to wait a day until I check the routes and stuff like that. I think they change a little bit. But I think he played a little bit more. Juddkins on third down this week, which is 13 snaps. Yes. Yeah. It's encouraging. Okay. That's the Browns. Would you rather Dave Montgomery or Quinchon Juddkins rest of season? Oh, Montgomery. I'm going to say Juddkins, but I know with zero conviction. Yeah. I'm, I go with the younger guy who just caught five passes. How about Chubah Hubbard or Quinchon Juddkins? Chubah. Chubah had to be Chubah. Let's go to Carolina 34 Atlanta 3. We're looking forward to a quarter back change for the Falcons. I don't really know what to say here. I mean, we talked about Bryce Young. Jaylin Coker, Jamie, pretty good follow up. I mean, he didn't have a, he wasn't wide receiver one this week, but eight for 66 on nine targets. We'll take it. I think they're both most our guys. You know, you're, you're looking at what we love is concentrated targets. I know Darren Waller had two touchdowns, but I mean, look, you got nine for Coker and 10 from McMillan. The quarterback is playing great right now. This wasn't necessarily the, the opponent that challenged them and I think we had some questions about that, right? The, the bears were making them half. to throw where the Falcons are going to do the same. And you still got a great performance from Bryce Young who just, I mean, the Falcons should trade for Bryce Young. He's just amazing when he plays in that city. Though, I think just looking at it, getting Cleveland next week, two different versions of the Browns' defensive showed up through two games. But the same version of Bryce Young is shown up through two games, and it's been a pretty good fantasy quarterback. So hopefully that just continues for Coker and McMillan. And I think like we've talked about a handful of players, not necessarily just receivers. But like Jalen Coker, if he's not in your flex or not in one of your starting receivers, this point, I don't know what more the guy has to do because it was a great finish to last season. It's been even better through the first two games of the season. And he's keeping pace with a guy in McMillan who was a top four round pick. So I don't know, to meet Jalen Coker is more than delivered on his expectations. And thankfully, last week's injury wasn't a problem with the ankle. So start him until further notice. - Would you trade straight up Jalen Coker for Coulson Loveland? - So I think it depends on how we'd rather have Coker and find a Titan. - I have a team that has George Pickens and T Higgins and Parker Washington and Jalen Coker. And it's a league where you start two wide receivers. I would trade Jalen Coker for Coulson Loveland in that league. - Okay. - But you'd have to be stacked at wide receiver. And maybe I should just start Jalen Coker over George Pickens. - One other note of positivity for the Panthers passing game. Two very different game scripts for the Panthers. - Yeah, it's blown out to me quite. - But no, 63% pass rate for the Panthers. - I'll give you one more positive. They're doing those without their tackles. - Yeah, that's a great point. - All right, Philadelphia 24, Tennessee 20. And you look at, I'm sorry, just, from an NFL perspective, like the Saints could have been 1-0 and 1. If they tied last week instead of going for the win, they also could have been 2-0. 2-0. Like the Panthers may win the division again. You know, Tampa Bay does not look good right now. 0-2. Like they're there. - They are. All right, Philadelphia 24 and Tennessee 20. The Titans had the ball for 23 minutes and 35 seconds. They had the ball for less than that in week one. They've run 100 plays in two games. That's very low and they stink. The Eagles though, this was a game where I mean, all I saw was Red Zone, but every time I saw Jalen Hertz, I feel like he was running for his life. They're lying. It's just not great, but, yeah. - No, it's hard when you're off at the line gets hurt. - Yeah, 100%. So any major takeaways from this game? I mean, we had 74 yards from Don Tavy and Wix. We have the Goddard injury, Heath. What do you think in here for the Eagles? I think we pretty much know what to say about the Titans. - Well, I think this game didn't count for the bet actually because they're tied in, got hurt. - No, no. - And we were, we were gonna count games when different play players weren't there. No. I don't think there's really anything to take away from this other than is sake one, barkly, healthy. And if he is not, is Tank Bixby a, like I first, use my first waiver claim on? - Second, Jonah Coleman will be first. I think that's right. - Although we had more snaps than Bixby in this game. - Yeah. - This is just the fourth quarter. Shipley had 60% of the snaps. And four or five on third down. And there were only snap inside the five. Tank Bixby, 35% of the snaps. You'd also probably have to put a manuals in that conversation too. - Yeah, pending prices injury, sure. - Well, we know prices hurt. We don't know the extent of it. Barkley at least came back from his injury. - Well, Wix has two straight games with over 70 yards and he's 43% rostered. You know, it's not a ton of targets. It's 10 targets in two games. And hurts actually through 37 passes in this game. But do you think Don Tape and Wix's should be owned in at least rostered in at least half of our leagues? - If Goddard's going to miss time, yes. - Yep. - Okay. - All right, and then I'm sorry about the Titans. Every league needs a Titans. - I had a tough call to make an attending league with a shallow bench and I dropped Carnal Tate. I didn't want to do it, but he was easily the best. The top guy to drop it. I was thinking about this as you were talking. If you saw Marvin Harris and Carnal Tate and Jordan Addison on your waiver wire, who would you pick at first? - Addison. - Addison. - Yep. - Tate would be second. (laughing) - You what? - Yeah. - Okay, New England 20, Pittsburgh 3. Just the last thing on the Titans, if you had Tony Power, at least he did get some goal line chances. I think he almost scored, you know, just didn't work out. But all right, New England 20, Pittsburgh 3. I didn't see all of it, but I'm pretty sure you guys know. I think Carlton Davis, I mean, no, sorry. I think Christian Gonzalez was shadowing DK Metcalf. - And DK Metcalf, DK should have had a great day. He was awful. He had a terrible case of the Jerry Judies and the first F. - I think I can call them the DK Metcalfs. He's dropped enough. - He stinks. - It's the first two games, really. Like he's gotten all of the volume 19 targets in his first two games. And a couple of them were bad throws from Rogers, but just awful drops. And you have to wonder, like, do they just stop throwing it to him? - Was he shadowing? - There's nobody else, so that's a problem. - He was shadowed, right? - Well, it wasn't every play, 'cause Gonzalez was on fire from the North and for a couple of plays. - He was on fire with you. - Okay, but he saw a lot of him with that. He doesn't usually beat great cornerbacks like that. And yeah, he had it. I saw one drop. I didn't see all the jobs, but rough game. But maybe, I mean, is this a by-low window for DK Metcalf? - No. - Who wants DK Metcalf, though? - He's currently tied for fourth in targets among wide receivers through two weeks, which is great. Yeah, but he's not doing Jack Diddley with it. - But that's the thing. It's like, and it's 8.4 yards per catch on the balls that he is catching. - Okay, this is how I would look at it, right? I don't think he's gonna get eight or nine targets at game, but if he could at least be a wide receiver three, right? Then you get him as a throw in for a trade. And no one even, the guy who trades Metcalf things, I'm getting rid of this bum. Maybe you have a player that has a good week here or there, you know? - I think if you could get a good week here or there. - Yeah, good luck figuring out when those are gonna be. - Yeah. - He should have had a great game last week against Atlanta. You just saw what the Panthers receivers did against Atlanta. And now this week, again, nine targets. Tough or match up this week. You can kind of forgive him for it, but at the same time, when you're getting this type of opportunity, you should be able to do better than 7.4 people. - If you know there's someone in your league that's very reliant on or looks at targets and is encouraged by the target volume and is dealing with an A.J. Brown's, A. Flowers, maybe Pugna Coo injuries, you know, like, and wants to just buy into, oh, hey, look, the volume is there for him, then maybe you can have some sort of a package trade with DK Metcalf, but I don't think anybody's like, oh, I gotta go with DK Metcalf. - Right, he's a piece of it. And I would, okay, like if he were on the waiver wire with Addison, Harrison, and Tate, would you pick him up over those guys? - I was drafting Addison ahead of DK Metcalf, so I'd rather have Addison. - I would, oh no, Alec Pierce's limping. - No, boy. - He may be okay. - Josh Downs might be a monster soon, if Ken Allen's suspended. - No, DK would be the top of that list. Pretty easily. I'm the guy that Jamie was talking about that has A. Flowers and likes targets. And would take DK Metcalf as a throw in on a deal. - Okay, and then we talked about the Patriots. Let me ask you, rest of season Bryce Yong or Drake May? (laughing) - Do you only have one? Bryce Yong? - It feels reactionary to say, young. - But it's another month of No A.J. Brown. - It's true. - All right, let's go to the streets. - What a great win for the Saints at Baltimore. - Yeah, it was. - The question for the Saints here. - He goes right to Josh Downs on the first play. - With. - A great play. - With, yeah, let's ask a question for the Ravens. Do you think Lamar Jackson, if Zay Flowers misses another game, do you think Lamar Jackson is no longer a must-start quarterback? - They're playing Dallas, you're starting him. - Yeah, they are. - In Rio. - Do you think Rashad Bateman will have value when Zay Flowers comes out? - Well, that's a great point, Dave. I wonder if Flowers plays in that game. - The field's bad, they say, right? - The field is horrible according to reports, yeah. - Okay, back to this, though. Do you think Rashad Bateman, seven times just 88 yards and a touchdown is relevant on Flowers comes back? - No, I think he. - I agree that he's not relevant in the case you're starting. They still lost Jacobi Lane. Let's not overlook that. They lost two receivers going into this game. It wasn't just Flowers. It was a guy that they were counting on to be a significant contributor. So I don't think Rashad Bateman does this again if Flowers is healthy. But I wouldn't be surprised if he's in that wide receiver three range. - Yeah, well, if I were coaching, I'd probably get him a ball more than Flowers. I think he's underused guy. - Oh, sure. - Right. - What do you guys think about Devon Vele and Joanne Johnson? Who do you think is a better start at their respective position? They both had about 65 yards, four or five catches, pretty similar games for Vele and Johnson. Who's a better start at their respective position? - Which of the wide receivers are gonna be healthy for next week? I would say probably I would lean towards Johnson, but if the majority of the wide receivers don't come back next week, then it may be Valey. 10.6 PPR points for Johan Johnson. He hadn't almost touched down. I don't know if you mentioned that earlier Adam, but I would be far more inclined to take Johan at tight end. That's one of the tight ends that you could have gone and picked up off the waiver wire instead of trying to trade for Dalton Schultz and give up something on your bench for him. Yeah, you just find a tight end like this who's in a good offense. He's going to get solid target volume from week to week. This is a game where they didn't throw like crazy, certainly compared to week one, and he still gave you double digits. Okay. Packers. Johnson was not available as much as Schultz was John, like 77% Ross, 73% Ross. I think just knowing that this week, you mean yes. Evelyn's terrible performance got injured like if they're both on waivers on taking Johan Johnson. All right. Green Bay 20 and the Jets 17. What do you make of Adonai Mitchell having 12 targets and only seven for Garrett Wilson who did score a touchdown here? What do you, you know, Dave, you're take on the Jets passing game. Geno clearly had eyes for him and Mitchell drew some penalties along the way. He's solid. I don't know if I could ever look at Adonai Mitchell and put him in even the same boat as Devon Valle, because I don't know how often the Jets are going to be in a in a in a in a game where they can't run the ball whatsoever. I mean, this was surprising. The Packers run defense really stepped up in this game. They deserve a lot of credit. Breeze Hall had 16 carries 1.8 yards per rush. Just totally shocking that they couldn't run the ball a little bit better than they did. I would imagine there will be games down the stretch where the Jets will be able to run the ball fairly well. And I and I Mitchell won't see 12 targets. He might not even see six. So deep leagues. If you want to use Adonai Mitchell, he's like a boom bus number four wide receiver. Do the Packers have a running back that we want to start? No. Not until Jacob's situation is resolved. No. Okay. He'll have had some nice runs. Like I know that there was some bad stuff in there too, but he actually had some very nice runs in this game. He might be the answer. I don't know. Lloyd had that fumble. Caleb Johnson had led the team with eight carries 32 yards. Caleb had a fumble too. He just didn't lose it. That's right. That's right. Yeah. All right. Well, that's a waiver wire topic. And then with Jaden Reed out, I mean, Christian Watson could have just, I don't know how long Jaden reads out, but you know, could be I'd be surprised if you played next week. I wouldn't lose sight of Matthew Golden, either. Yeah. Yeah. Push came to shove in the fourth quarter. That dude was getting the ball. And he's still got speed to make plays after the catch, too. And the more that this team can't run the ball, like we could talk about the Jets and say, yeah, eventually the Jets should be able to run the ball and do what they did in week one against Tennessee. They'll find other opponents to do that against. I don't know if Green Bay is going to be able to run the ball effectively. Even maybe even when Jacobs comes back, their offensive line took a hit today. And so if this is just going to be the game script over and over again for Jordan Love, these two dudes Watson and Golden are going to be must arts. Okay. Let's go to the late games last Vegas, 26 and the chargers, 14 Jamie, how worried are you about the chargers offense eight out of 10, nine out of 10, 15 out of 10. I mean, does Mike McDaniel survive the season does he survive the next five games? Like it's it's bad. It's really bad. The interior of the offensive line is the biggest problem. Yes. It's, you know, something I think for me, at least, you know, should have looked into a little bit more when Beodish got injured. I just thought, you know, the tackles back, though, they'll be able to have, you know, the ability to overcome and even moving some guys around, but I have to have a great game until the formal. That just sucked. You know, I, I thought he looked really good. It was good to get Latin moconky out there just from a, a play standpoint clearly he did not do enough, but I don't know what the issue is right now for her, but he's not stepping into his throws. He just looks, you know, confused, you know, you, this, this week's game is going to be very telling for him because Buffalo's defense stinks. And so can he go out there and have success against them after just playing what we thought were going to be two miserable defenses in the Cardinals and the Raiders and he has not taken advantage of it. So you got to, I think as the Herbert manager, explore Bryce Young for sure, maybe some other quarterbacks that we'll see on, on the way to work because we're going to be some guys that are dropped after some, some poor performances. But I know for me, I have Herbert in, in three or four leagues and I'm not happy at all with what I've seen. Are they the first team in NFL history to lose 26 to 14 in each of the first two games of the season? That's such an odd score. I mean, if anyone would know it would be you, that's just an odd score. I thought it was really strange that it ended up 26 to 14 again. Okay. Oh, and two more. Got me. Keith, do you, do you win or like you feel good? It's because chargers go two in 15, but they're two wins or against the Chiefs. Yes. 100%. Perfect way fine. Abs. That would be yes. You know, I also feel good about that as chargers fans. Oh, yeah. One, two super boys. Yeah. You're in two super balls in one year. So I also want to mention that you said the interior of their offensive line, the, on the broadcast when Max Crosby got held in the end zone for the safety, play by play. I said a nightmare day for Joe Alts continues or something like that. So he apparently had a terrible day against Max Crosby. Okay. Right. Yeah. It's not just Crosby for the Raiders, by the way. Coons had a sack and a half in this game. They got after, they got after it last week, too, this defense might actually be halfway decent. Drop her hold. Quentin Johnston. Hold. Okay. Okay. But I kind of don't know why. I mean, five targets isn't bad. That led the chargers did what we know that he's a bus type of wide receiver. Last joke. Not really a joke, but like just last poking like it's Jamie mentioned next week at Buffalo. It's at Seattle after that and then it's Denver. And then it's at Kansas City. They may not want, they may not want to game going in their bike. What's the over under on their wins going into their bike? I mean, like the thing is, if they get things right, they're obviously a team that can beat good teams. Obviously. They are. They're moving that throughout the history of just. They went to the playoffs last year, man, they like, come on. You got to hope that they catch Seattle, still with Drew Locke and that gives them a chance in that one. They're not going to be Buffalo unless Buffalo just completely bleeps the bed. All right. Let's, let's go on here. They need to fix their line. Nothing changes until they fix their line and that's the problem on the offensive side. Denver 20 Jacksonville 13, he did not like Trevor Lawrence this week and he scored 6.2 fantasy points. Yeah. Great call. Yeah. I thought it was kind of weird actually because I thought their offense looked better than their final production. Like it kind of looked like they, like Lawrence could get Parker Washington whenever he wanted and it kind of looked like Basel Tudon could get 6 yards whenever he wanted. And so it was kind of weird how they ended up scoring 13 points and not scoring any touchdowns. Watching the game with Pete Prisco who knows the Jaguars as well as anybody, he said right after it happened, they're going to lose the game on the Chris Rodriguez goal line play. Because Tudon had to touch down earlier, Tudon was running well. You bring in a different running back throws off, I think some of the pace and listen, that's their game plan, that's their offense. They're going to use the short yard as a guy, but I think you're right, Keith. You're correct me ever wrong, but I think your narrative was angry Broncos defense coming off a loss, slow down the Jaguars offense and the interception was one thing for Lawrence, but it felt like they still were moving up and down the field and just didn't get the production that you need to get to win a game on the road like that. So, yeah, it was just interesting observation there that you changed your backfield and you do what you think is right for your team and sometimes that doesn't work. It's probably also worth looking into what the Broncos did differently in the second half. Because Lawrence at halftime, 12 of 17 passing, 138 yards, no turnovers. So not, and then no touchdowns either, obviously, but at least he had gotten off to that good set that you talked about, and then 57 yards in the second half, completed five passes out of doing the math in my head, I guess it's 12. Yeah, that's a really bad second half. Yeah. And Brian Thomas Jr. was only started in 12% of leagues and I think people knew to sit him, but he was not shadowed by Patrick Surtan. I don't think anybody was. He just stunk anyway. He just stunk. He's got, he's got drops issues for sure. He's in purgatory. And he's got New England next week. So that's tough. Then New England at Cincinnati, Philadelphia, Houston, I did talk about this before the season started. I thought Brian Thomas Jr. had the worst schedule of any wide receiver in the NFL. And I don't know if he's going to get that kind of, maybe the good news is he hasn't played well enough to get the treatment of Carlton Davis or the DJ Turner or Philadelphia, Houston whatever, but it's still not a good schedule. It's not a good schedule for Lawrence, but we'll say. And then anything bonix, 86% roster, does he drop a ball like, you know, okay, bonix, I'm not ready to drop him because he turned it up in the second half. He was better in the second half. So kind of curious to see where this goes from here. But he's drop a ball. You don't have to keep drop a ball. Sure. Yeah, yeah. One QB guy and you just only carry one quarterback and Bryce Young's on the waiver wire. Sure. Xionara. Yes. Of course. Seattle 31 Arizona. Seven. Yes. Chris. Jonah's number one priority. Jonah Coleman. Yes. Not Jonah Amsterdam. Yeah. I don't know if I agree, just because I don't think Dobbins and Harvey are long term injuries. That's my only care. Who cares if they are? It's amazing. But I don't think they are. It's one week. It's amazing. Well, but that's part of the, it's the Rams next week. It's the Rams. Rams. All right. Seattle 31 Arizona. Seven. Thoughts on the running backs in this game. If I tell you, Jardarian Price, I'm a throbagial tooting in there from last game and Jeremiah love. How would you rank them rest of season right now? Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Let's say price is healthy. I know you have the chest injury. Let's say he's healthy. I almost want to put love first, then toot and then price, and it's all with a look toward November and December. Yeah. I agree. Once the Arbana is back, it could be bad for price. Right. So I'm going to go with the same order. Okay. And it's, it's still another week where it's a lot of Tyler Algier, too much Tyler Algier, 64% of the snaps, almost every third down snap, almost every snap inside of 10, like it's not cool with the cardinals are doing, but I guess I get it. And not the best efficiency game for love either. Jeremiah love. Okay. Sorry. Jacob, we were never really had 95 yards passing today, by the way, 95. That's wild. All right. Yeah. Good. That's Seattle's great. They make you throw it short, short, short, short, short, short, short. And San Francisco might be really good, too. We'll see. It's next week for them. Then Giants Lions, you know, some good matchups, some bad matchups along the way for Berset. San Francisco, San Francisco 35 Miami 13, and then we'll have Dallas and Washington. Do you think, let's just do this, you know, obviously there's an easy, no, if Mike Evans has hurt, but if Evans, Kittle and McCaffrey are all, and Debo Samuel are all healthy, do you think it's going to be kind of a frustrating ride, rostering these 49ers? He's, um, I mean, I don't think they're all going to be good every week, but I think that they can be good enough, like two out of three weeks, that it's, I don't know if I go quite as far as frustrating, like Brock Pertey look like his stats, the way he played in high school football game this weekend. And he was, he was awesome in week one, also, just did whatever he wanted. And so, yeah, I think it won't be surprising if one guy gets left out a week, but I think they're, they're all still going to be good enough to just start him. How often will it be three out of the four, and I, you almost have to, I mean, how often is that three guys on, on the same team in, yeah, that's the part that's kind of rare. But how often do we start three guys on, well, it's, it's, whenever you factor in the tight end, the tight end is almost always starting. So when you have an elite tight end, which they do, he's going to be in your starting line. And the question comes down to really, I think is Debo Samuel going to be in your line, because Mike Evans healthy, unless he just has a stretch of games that he's terrible, you're going to start to bench him. So in three or three releases, he's definitely going to be starting and two or three releases, he's most likely going to be starting. The one that was let down today was Debo, just because you were to say, if you were to say going into it, hey, dolphins, no struggling, and Evans gets hurt, I would have said, sign me up for that player all day long. And the Marcus Robinson got hurt. And the Marcus Robinson. Yeah. Okay. One more question on this now, two more questions, one, drop or hold, Caleb Douglas, quiet game today. Drop. Yeah, that turned sour real quick. Devon H and 23 touches, buy cell hold, Devon H and hold, it's a hold. Dallas 37, Washington, 20, who's the best commanders receiver, rest of season? I'm going to say McClaren. I guess the fact that we're thinking about it, this long tells you something. Sure. I don't know if it tells you more about digs or McClaren, but here's an example of a player that you're hopeful for because they get a lot of targets. And so what did the commanders do a week after McClaren really didn't see a lot of targets? They gave him nine and he just couldn't make anything happen. And three almost touchdowns. I mean, I was one of the almost touchdowns that have come from what might be their best quarterback. And don't know. That's right. Honestly, I was like, I don't know if anyone's buying stuff on digs, but I might want to try to sell it. He's just not playing enough as of right now. I don't really think that's going to change. I think he's playing enough to be what he was last year. Maybe because people were going to see the touchdowns back the back games and say, oh, I know the name. Clearly there's a wild cards all this because we don't know what Mario was going to do for this offense from the standpoint of he's never played with digs and now there's that wrinkle of it. So is digs going to be the one he prefers? I don't know. I mean, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to it. You know, I think they're both wide receiver threes, you know, you clearly see what the upside of McClaren is. He could have had a monster game today and then it would be a no-brainer. But last week was kind of telling as well. I guess once we find out what Jay Daniels prognosis is and when he's going to return that can determine some things also. So it's a small sample size, but McClaren led the way in targets from Mario to with five. Diamey Brown had four digs white Antonio Williams three each. Any concerns about George Pickens six catches for 40 yards? He's still a must-dark guy, but he probably goes from borderline wide receiver one to mid-tier wide receiver two they have Baltimore next week and you get after you had you had the this was the Jake Ferguson week, you know, next week, you could go back to two for seven like we saw in week one, you know, so when he scores touchdowns, it's probably somebody's going to get left out. It was, you know, CD-Lam was a monster and George kick George Pickens was just not I would buy low. Yeah. Yes. Saw the mouthpiece stuff. Yeah. That was pretty. That was pretty wild. I did not what happened. During the Giants game, George Pickens was not it wasn't every single play like this, but a lot of plays. He would have his mouthpiece out on run plays and put his mouthpiece in on past plays. Oh. It was why I wanted they even asked the shot in Heimer, I think was on a like a radio show or a podcast. I was asked about it. Oh, okay. Anyway. That's it for the show. We're hoping for good news for Alec Pierce as we did the show, he walked, he was carted off the field. So hopefully he comes back next week. Too many carts today. Too many carts. Absolutely. Roughly for injuries. Thanks for watching. Listen to everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow on fantasy football today. The world crowned its winner. Now the champions play where the best players from the best clubs from the best clubs collide from September to June and every match his paramount this is the moment. This is the world's best soccer the UEFA Champions League stream every match live exclusively on Paramount Plus.