We Tried Making a Better Coke - Safety Third 158

[Music] Breaking news! Oh! Huh. Um, breaking news! Breaking news. I am a stupid Pupu Doodlehead. Oh. Welcome to this very special episode of "Safe Third Podcast" where we are all stupid Pupu Doodleheads, including you listening this right now! Praving 85 miles an hour on the freeway. Watching the video of the "Safe Third Podcast" not even the audio version. I don't even know if we upload those anymore. Did that ever get fixed, John? Hmm. It's fixed. Because I remember what you get to comment all the time, Kevin. You're like, "Oh, I can't even forgot the password, dude." Yeah. Well, we literally actually did that. Yeah. For the audio version that synchronizes it to everything. And you're done to, like, one more guest before it permanently locks you out. Something like that. Yeah. Don't guest it right, though. Everybody comment how fast you're driving right now. Yeah. So I have, you know, I haven't been as excited for something as I am. You know, okay, you guys, can I say something positive right now? Yeah. Let's make some happy. No. No, no, no, no. Is it complaining episode or positivity episode? No, no, no. No, no, no, no. Good vibes. Good vibes. Yeah, okay. Let's do something that we've never done before. Let's like shake it. Let's go. Good vibes, bad vibes. Okay. Only good vibes. I feel like, or the past few months, I have, I've had a, like, a dark cloud of things over my head. Okay. Most of them have been paying for open sauce, really. And then, you know, it's like, well, I guess if I have to, like, make more money to pay for open sauce, and I got to make made channel videos, and then I go in the garage, and I can't say this, but I just said I want to grill myself, right? I want to want to do whales eat myself. And I have been very busy, and I have been working very hard, and the Adderall prescription I have has been working very hard as well. We were like holding hands every day in the garage, me, and legal Beth and Fedamine. And I am proud to say that I think that my garage is finally, very functioning workshop again, and we're just shit-bucking-piled everywhere. Like, one of those awful campground toilets that is just a pit in the ground that they empty every six months. Does it feel good to just sit in the garage now? It does. And so, like, last night, right? We've been, we've been, and plus we've been doing, we've been on that Arcolla kick, right? Our Coke kick. Yeah. And so, I was like, I want to make our flavors of Coke that we've been working on custom flavors. Okay. And so, I was in the garage, and I was like, you know what? I have, like, an open workspace. I have like a top of a vent. I can start a project. I can start a project without having to fucking scrape a bunch of shit off of a desk. Remember that Michael Reeves video from ages ago? He makes a thing that sweeps his desk off. That's not how I feel anymore. And so, last night at, like, midnight, I put a bunch of shit on the counter. Okay. I mixed together 10 Coke flavors. Okay, so this was the good part of the story. The good part of the story. Okay. I don't know if I don't have a bad part yet. Oh, okay. We said you were a stupid doo-doo. Oh, yes. Oh my god. Okay, I'll try the stupid doo-doo head part. Nigel, do you use pipe peter's? Yeah. Like the automatic ones. I saw, does it have anything to do with something you said in your video? Because I saw your video. Maybe kind of. Do you, what brand of pipe peter's do you buy? Okay. Okay, okay, okay. So, what you said in your video is that you realized that nothing you were doing was accurate. But, yes, nothing was accurate. And it was also not relative. So, the general pipe peter are off by their own amount. Yeah. So, I went through this because, I mean, I use a Fisher brand once that I got really cheap on eBay. I'm pretty sure I use fish. And that's our. Yeah. Or this, this, this, this, this, our, this, our, this, our, this, your, this, your, this, your, this, not only are they some of the cheap, most of the cheap ones completely just, they're inaccurate in their own special unique way. They're also technically calibrated to be for like water-based stuff. So, if you get something that's like really dense or really light, I think it's just in that, not super accurate. But if you already inaccurate, you're just kind of. Yeah. I have. You might as well just be eyeballing it. So, I've noticed a few things about these $25. How much do you use, Klaus? Yeah, I was going to ask how much. I think brand-new, they're like $300. But, I got them, I got them all for like $200. Okay. Or something. On eBay or something? Like how many? Yeah, it was like a bundle. Yeah, it's like five of them. Okay. Maybe I should do that. Each one is so out of calibration that I would say it's not even within the unit spec that's labeled on it. So, the first one I bought used to claim to measure 100 to 1,000 micro-videos. And that one was bang on when you first got it. I tested it. Yes. Something happened. It made a weird clicking sound at one point. Yeah. And then it was out of calibration. So, I fucking ripped it apart. And I adjusted the counter. Oh, okay. Because adjusting the like. There's like a little screw thing that you can turn to adjust the point. And guess what happens when you try to pull it back into adjustment? Is you unscrew the calibration screw all the way and it pops apart. And so, it was like so far out that I had to change the counter. And it now seems to work, but it measures between I think 200 and like 1200 now. Or something like the 1100. Okay. So, it shifted by 100 micro-videos. The small one, the like little, the 5.5 micro-liter to 10 micro-liter, it is like almost double. I think that it actually can't even measure. I think it can measure about one micro-liter, not a half. Okay. And so, that basically what. Here's the whoopsy that I did. And it was able to fix it. So, instead of going between pipetters, mm-hmm. I was just using the smallest one. And what was supposed to be 45 micro-liters of lemon oil, I put in 4.5 because it was midnight. Yeah. And then I was going to bed and I was like, and so I made a sheet to try to calibrate between the two. Long story short, I ended up realizing that it was going to be faster just to use the same pipe header and just do like one, two, three, four. So, I did that instead. And I was able to add the extra lemon and lime that I did not have in earlier. But the thing I noticed, and this is my question for Nigel, is when you. I just want to say I looked it up and I'm actually in shock. So, I got four of them for 455 US. Used. So, they were like 100. Yeah, used. Brand new, they're 600 E. They're 5 to 600 each. Dude, I shouldn't have put it up. 25 dollars is fucking awesome. Yeah. Lab branches are insane. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah, that's why I would never pay for them brand new. I saw. I remember looking at the set and they were like, it's like $2,000 for four of them or something and I'm like, uh, eBay. What do you got? So, when you depressed a plunger, should there be nothing inside the tip? Because. So, I've noticed something that. The one thing that. stays in always. Okay, so the general way it works is like when you. There's two levels to the plunger. There's like the easy push and then like the hard push. When you fill it, you do the easy one. So, you just like. It's like a half to the air stage thing. Yeah, you do the easy one and then that's what lifts in. But when you push it out, you push everything. So, it does like an extra push. So, it's like you push it and then yeah, exactly. Like it's just. It's meant to like push air out. I think the problem maybe with yours is, you know, you have that first step where you push down to get ready to suck up a liquid. Yeah. But there might be a little slap. You know, it's not a crisp step. It's like. There's a mushy zone. Oh, and I'm not realizing that I'm actually not supposed to depress it all the way. Maybe, yeah. Well, buck me. I guess I get. Okay, so here's the good news. The good news is that right now it's all relative. Yeah, so I'm using. But if you're pushing it all the way, like bottoming it, that might be your accuracy issue. Okay. Well. Like they should be inaccurate. The cheap ones. To my hand. Like, I would say like plus minus. I wouldn't be shocked if some of them are like plus minus 20%. Wow. But you shouldn't be like. You should. I'm saying if you're. That's crazy. But you shouldn't be plus minus 100%. So maybe what's happening is that last push that I'm doing is actually. It's like a fixed 10% or something or fixed 50% or whatever to get that extra. I think it. It might not be calibrated. It might be like just the fill is calibrated. But if you're like filling it with the extra push, there's like an uncalibrated. Yeah. like surprise bonus in every single one. Okay, well, I'm going to do some experiments. No, I think you were doing it right because it's pretty noticeable. Really? Yeah, but I definitely plunged it all the way down. Well, when you do like the full like the thousand microleaders, it's a little bit less distinct of where the certain stop is. I feel like I feel like I'm doing something wrong. That's the feeling I have right now. I don't I think that's my gut. I wonder if you can auto-clave those. I think you can. Yeah, but I don't believe it. It says a lot of things. I mean, what's the worst that happens? It turns into a molten pile of plastic. Interesting. Interesting theory. It depends on how much you care about your auto-claves. So you can auto-clave it at 30 degrees Celsius. For seven seconds. The real, what would you auto-clave it in? Like an Insta pot? Yeah, maybe a pressure cooker. So, okay, well, I have a lot of things to work on. Here's the flavors that I made last night. So I realized after Kevin and I made our flavors, which if anybody didn't see our flavors, it was somewhat of a disaster. So John made an everything flavor that was just a bar of soap. Yeah, we put, I think over like 60 oils in there, everything we had. Kevin tried making vanilla cherry, black cherry, vanilla. Nothing. No, no cherry or vanilla. I added just a few things to coke. And it maybe had like the lemon grass was the most noticeable change. And but I wouldn't say it was something that you're like, "Yeah, we've accomplished our goals." So I realized we know nothing about flavor science out of how many samples we did, like probably 30. Yeah. Maybe three of them were like interesting, that was like interesting feedback. Yeah. And the rest of them were just-- Your lemon grass was, it was like a hint of a hint of lemon grass. Yeah. And I wouldn't even say it was like good. It was just not like a disgusting. Yeah. I think for the black cherry vanilla flavor, you have to do a lot of flavoring. Yeah. Because it's not subtle when you drink the flavored coke. That's what you're drinking. It's mostly this flavor. So you think that maybe you need to-- Where you try 75% coke and then 25%. Yeah, that might be a good starting point. Because you have a limited amount of flavor surface area to cover. When you're doing this. Because you don't just say, "Hey, here's my coke flavor." And then here's extra shit on top of it. You probably want to like dial-- You don't think you have a limited number of squares to put your flavors in. You don't have more than like whatever, like 10-- What do we say, 10 microleaders or 7 microleaders per can of oil, flavor oil? Is what ended up being? Yeah, but maybe they still add the normal amount of coke plus the flavor on top. I don't think they dial back from-- You think so? Not a lot. Well, here's what I made last night. So we'll test them maybe tomorrow. So I just did the original recipe, obviously, is like a control. And I did no small flavor. So I got rid of the nutmeg orange coriander. I got rid of all the little thing. Yeah. And then I did citrus only. So this is just what does the orange and lime and lemon do? Then I got rid of the tea tree for one. Then I swapped the lemon and lime for another. So instead of 45 or 46% lemon, it's now 36% lemon and 46% lime. Then I did one that's no citrus. It's just the little flavor. Yeah. Like cinnamon and nutmeg and stuff. Then just citrus and ginger. Then just citrus and black pepper. And like quite a bit of black pepper. Then all lemon, no lime. And all lime, no lemon. Huh. And so like-- That was a lot of work. Yeah, I filled-- Yeah, what I did, I just had the sheet open. I like copied across the cells. And it's like opened-- I opened the lid of everything that was going to have the same amount. Then I did all of those. Then I closed them and then I opened the-- And you brought up the lime-- Lime is next to what it's lime of. Did it over and over again. And I think I only messed up one where I dumped it in. And I like missed the vile. And I was like, about half of it got in and half it didn't. I'm like, oh, fuck. Should redo that. But what I noticed is-- And it makes you realize how hard flavor science is. Yeah. I know that. I think people have known this for a while. But holy shit. Not putting the lime in there in lemon in the quantity, because it basically was like a fifth of what it should be. I know about 20% in there. Putting it in later after realizing my mistake, the smell changes so drastically. It goes from being like a warm, spiced smell to then all of a sudden boom, it's cooked. Interesting. I really genuinely have been having a lot of fun with this because it's so open-ended and low stakes. Yeah, so much tinkering you can do. You can just tinker. And the reason you don't want to tinker more is because it's a pain in the butt to make too many. And so you kind of-- I just thought, well, what if instead of trying to do something, I just change what already works to see maybe try to develop an understanding of what happens if you get rid of the cinnamon. What happens if you double the cinnamon? Because now you also have to taste all of those. Yeah, exactly. These ones you have to taste, because we know they're going to be good or good enough. That's a slow process. I definitely see it being a slow process. But I was also thinking about the flavors of the variations that we could make. And I wanted to get your take on this. So you've got the original pirated coke, right? And I was like, OK, what about clear coke? Nigel, what do you think about that? I like that. Here's another one for Nigel. What about coke cubed? Mm. Uh-huh. What's that triple everything? I think so. Yeah. Triple the caffeine, too. Like, yeah, just-- But is it triple the sweetness? I don't know. Or it's just the exact same recipe. You just make it with less water. Oh. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Yeah, would you do less water? And would you do the same sugar? It's just a flavor. Would you do just triple this thorough, basically? I feel like you probably want to do triple the flavor, but not triple the sugar. Yeah, maybe half-- Or one and a half. Yeah. OK, here's one. I don't know if this is my favorite nightmare. 100 times sweeter. Who's using the like, like, Asper-Tame? Yeah. Then like a low sugar version. Actually spicy Coke. Spiced Coke. Trey Coke, Lemon Coke. Try to make a good tree soda, like John's soda, but like figure out how to make it not taste like shit. Yeah. And an orange soda. Oh, I want to do a maple-- I like orange soda. So it's Coca-Cola, but you replace the syrup with maple syrup. OK, I'm going to try it. This is all good, but what you need to really work on is Pepsi Blue. No. I don't know what that tastes like. I can't even think-- Do you have-- is there someone somewhere selling like a 20-year-old can of Pepsi Blue? Maybe eBay. I remember. You kind of-- you can sip it. And when you recover from the food poisoning, you can then immediately get to work. You get the taste at twice. Try to describe it again. I actually-- I don't know. Toot paste? It's like a fruit thing. It's like a paste. It wouldn't be that far off to be honest. I don't remember. There was no Pepsi for me. I don't think I ever had it. It was-- It's not Pepsi. It's not a cola flavor. Yeah, it's more like a fruit, but it's a fruit punch. But weirdly, like, like, kiddie, bubblegum, kind of-- I don't know. I can't describe it now. It's indescribable. Did I tell you about the machine I bought, Nigel? No. It's my turn to buy some stupid fucking shit. But I don't need. Finally, I'm in the Nigel Club now. I bought on eBay, use a machine that makes ketchup packets. Oh, you mentioned that last time. Did I? I think that you were thinking about it, maybe. Well, we did it. Yeah. And I was asking why. I haven't picked it up yet. So like, what I want to do is I want to make like little packets of soda syrup. But we have to pick that up. At some point. Yeah, like imagine a concentrated syrup that you just squirt into a can of-- Yeah, like a clear soda one. Yeah. That's my goal is because like, canning is like a pan of butt and you have to store a bunch. But like, making little packets is so easy. Yeah. You need to put them in a box. It's like low volume. You know what? You know what I want to exist, which as far as I know, I think I looked it up and it kind of does, but it hasn't taken off. I just want a dropper bottle that has caffeine in it that you can caffeinate anything. No one-- oh. Yeah, like-- Have you tried buying caffeine? You just know-- Yeah. You can buy it. It's definitely much more difficult to buy. I mean, it wasn't. But it like, it's not like nobody really sells it in the same way. Yeah, it's not on eBay. It's not on Amazon. Yeah. Like, I have a website here. You can buy it. One kilo for 50 bucks. I did buy it already. I think it may have been the same website. Yeah, is it pure bulk? No, that one, you have to like send your business incorporation stuff to-- Oh, you do? Yeah. You still not have to. I did. I sent it to them and then they haven't responded yet. But I found it somewhere else. The same place I've signed by his friend. from I miss the good old days where they would just send you stuff and ask questions later. I know. Like all the things too. Like really is caffeine the worst one? Yeah, you can buy some crazy shit on eBay, but not caffeine. Like all kinds of weird research chemicals and stimulants and like fake Xanax, maybe caffeine is too popular. You know what I was thinking though, like since we're on this trajectory, we might as like a full degen and and re and you know, I don't know, revive what's what you call it when you like a take a dead thing and you resurrect resurrect for loco. Oh, yeah. Like there's nothing stopping I from doing that right? Well selling it. Well I didn't say sell it. I just said make it. Yeah bring it to life. Yeah. I always thought they should have sold like for loco with like a little thing attached to it where you just it's like a syrup you pour in. What's the syrup caffeine? Oh, like after the rules case. Yeah. Cause they banned alcoholic drinks with caffeine, I think like when we were in college. So what's like could you make that? Could you make it like a liquid like caffeine gel? Is that allowed? Like selling a thing? It's like a caffeine additive. Or like why does nobody do that? Is it just too much liability or is it actually not legal? I mean like me, oh, that sports drink squirting like you know, you scored it into water and flavors it. Nigel had one that we had caffeine in it too. It was a drink with caffeine. It has flavor in it. I want concentrate. I want concentrate. Leverless. Dude, you know what? I bet you that you're just going to get sued if you try to sell something like that and someone is going to inevitably put way too much. Oh, yeah. They're going to put six servings of caffeine in one drink. You know what you'd have to do? Have you ever seen the like flow news cartridges? It's like a nasal allergy steroid. Yeah. It's like a counter on it. There's probably some other like single dose medicine. What do you mean a counter? So you can't do it too often. I think it like it does like a slowly, slowly refills the dose. I don't think it refills. It just sort of like indicates to yeah, you've done a dose to think you've done a dose. Yeah. Um, maybe like if you had just a squirted vial of caffeine that was concentrated, you would have to trust that the people doing it are dosing it correctly. Yeah. And if you say, well, you just squeeze it more if you want more, then you're definitely going to get in trouble and core. Yeah. If you say like, well, no, there's a thing that says explicitly like every action is a serving so the user knowingly. Yeah. Cause those me, oh, like water flavoring things, it's like squeeze for one and a half seconds or something like that. And you could like how how hard of a squeeze. There's not that much caffeine in that, right? I think it's like 35 milligrams of serving. So squeeze like half the fucking thing out. So I bet you could sell this if it was just like a single serving was like 70 milligrams of caffeine, but you only had like five servings. Like something where you're not going to kill the person if they eat the whole bottle. Yeah. An accident. I think Mia would be bad if you drank that whole bottle. I don't think you could. There's so much flavor in it. Yeah. That's what I think as well. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think you I think you could totally do this, Nigel. And you would just get sued to oblivion if you sold it. And when someone, you know, what do they call it? Sandwich place, paneras themselves. I need someone else has got to do it, but I'd buy it. What about this caffeine pills like Drake does? Because that's too much caffeine in one shot. Uh, yeah, 100. I think Drake nibbles on them like a squirrel. Yeah, a little rat. That's even worse. Hmm. What do you try it dose anyways? I don't know. I don't know. Like, like, what kind of pisses me off is that sometimes you're like, Oh, I want some caffeine. I want like a pick me up. But you're like, I don't feel like having coffee. I don't really want a red bull. And you, for example, I go, I want some green tea. But that's not enough caffeine. There's more green tea. I got less water. Yes. Or you might be like, you know what? I just want some orange juice. I want, I want caffeine in the water. Exactly. I want to be able to make that choice. I don't want to be stuck to these caffeine containing drinks. Okay. Do you want to be able to put in like what? 35 milligrams of caffeine, 25? Maybe a red bull equivalent. Maybe 70. Get the drink. Well, I mean, you're freaking caffeine pills like right there at 100. I guess you could crush it up and throw it in the face. Terrible. Hmm. Yeah. I've got like probably a few grams of caffeine in a like storage beaker that has some burnt rice flour in it that I like wouldn't come out of the. Oh, yeah. You were trying to extract the cap for this story? I don't think so. Fuck. Now, I know why they have fume hoods and labs. I've learned, I've learned this the sort of the osha way of. Oh, I didn't tell you this night. Well, did I? What I did when I was extracting the caffeine from the caffeine pills. So my hot plate has a thermal couple on it, like temperature probe. I don't know what it is. I'm just assuming it's probably not a thermal couple. And so do any of your hot plates have thermal couples on them? Yes. All right. Here's my next question. So, I don't know what you mean. Okay. So what I'm saying is I was boiling off the ethanol out of the caffeine extraction. And then the liquid level went below the temperature probe. And so I'm like, at some point, I might just go to, it might go crazy. Yeah. It might. No, it apps a fucking loopy did. And I look over and I see like whips of like white vapor coming off the caffeine sub sublimating caffeine. So I unplug the the thermal couple and I just turn the whole fucking thing off. And all right. What do you mean? You're, you're, you're purifying it. Oh, no. Yeah. I get my phone out and I like Google the, you know, like boiling point of caffeine. Yeah. And I look at the temperature on the hot plate and I was like, huh. No. You're sitting in the garage. I feel really alert right now and I don't know why. I did. And I feel like for the next 20 years, whoever goes in that garage and touches a single fucking surface, stirs up some caffeine dust through their skin. There's going to be like, I love this garage. Like imagine being addicted to a physical location. Yeah. But has that ever happened? Imagine like a garage gets covered in, I don't know, what's a really addictive nicotine? Yeah. Like every tool in your workshops covered in nicotine. Like an oil, a thin film. Yeah. And you don't really know it. You just know that every time you go and work in the garage, you like that. You feel good. Yeah. You know, you stop feeling bad. Yeah. Yeah. You stop feeling bad. The second you leave the garage, you start feeling sad. I'm like, I'm going to go back in there. I gotta keep working. That's what's happening. Can I give you a tip for the next time? Yes. So, if you're going to go back in there, you can just go back in there and get a little, you can go back in there. Yeah. But, you know, when you go back in there, you can just go back in there and think, well, how much I'm going to do. I'm going to go back in there and say, oh, I'm going to go back in there and then, you know, I'm going to go back in there. I'm going to go back in there and then I'm going to go back in there. Yeah. But, you know, there's like a fucking gradient across it. So, like the plate itself, like you'd have to set the plate, like, uh, like you're trying to put more heat into it to boil it faster. Yeah. And if you set the hot plate to like 80 C, it doesn't put a lot of heat on. What it should do, what it like actually should do. And this is like how a lot of 3D printers were catching on fire in the day. Yeah. If you put energy into the hot plate and the thermal couple temperature does not change, you can just assume there's a thermal runaway. What they should actually fucking do is make it so that if there's like too big of a difference between the hot plate temperature and the thermal couple temperature, kill it or throw an alarm. Like if you get like a 10 degree difference between the two, go nuts, like scream at me. I'm assuming that would help 90% of situations, 99% because no, I don't know. I don't really use the thermal couple. So really? Then none of your temperatures are accurate. They don't have to be because the big thing, yeah, yeah, you just, I just don't need it. You got to use vibes. Yeah. I mean, no, it's fine if you used it. But like if you are trying to hold the, you know, like if you're trying to heat water up, but not boil it and you want it to get close to boiling and you command the hot plate to go to, you know, like 95 C, the water is actually probably going to be at like 80. So generally, if it depends on your hot plate, obviously, but the, it also depends on like the volume of water and kind of the shape of the container. But in general, if you're doing like 500 miles a liter or even like more, I find that on average, you have to double the hot plate temperature compared to the water temperature. If you have stirring on and I just go old school, I put a thermometer. and I just, I said it to double and then I just move it from there. I could use the Thermo couple. I just don't like it. - I don't realize the VIP. - Yeah, I don't like it after this experience either. I was like, holy shit, that could get you into some fucking trouble. - Yeah. - Like it running away like that. - I mean, I guess the second tip is pay attention to it. - Yeah, I mean, I, yes, I agree with you 100%. - Yeah. - Like, what's the worst that happened? It was just taking some fucking loss. - It's fine. - It's fine. - It's like when did something-- - So the one, yeah. - The one trick, like I was saying is if you put the hot plate to like, let's say you know the boiling point of ethanol is like, what is it? Like 80? Double it. So put your hot plate to 160. - I mean, a bit lost. - I mean, we'll never go to 300. It'll never go there and then put a bit of, put a light fan over it. And you'll probably come back in your ethanol's like cold. Like, it never really gets. You only have to worry when the ethanol's all gone and then whatever you have, my crispify. - Yeah. - But usually that's what I do. - Yeah. I think that what I've done is I just-- - You learned a lot. - Like a kilogram of caffeine instead. - The trick is don't do any of it. Just start with the end product. - Yeah. I was like, I don't really like chemistry that much. I kind of-- - I need a coke. - Speaking of all this caffeine. - Did you just have one? - I did, but I want another. I'm addicted. - That's not good. Your shit's gonna be rocked. I like this sort of like the two step chemistry where it's like, A, do this, B, do that, and then you don't go any deeper. You know? Feel like your chemistry is like, you know, 100 step chemistry with trial and error. - You know, yeah. I'm on 3,000 step chemistry where today I found out the entire machine I bought, I don't actually need. - Which one? - I bought a centering furnace, but I realized that I was mistaken about its use. So-- - Really? - Yeah. Very sad. I've had it for like two years and I only figured out today. - What does it do? - Centering. Oh. - For melting powder. So yeah, I got a centering furnace and at the time I was like, oh, I need a centering furnace that can do a vacuum. So I found a centering furnace that can, it's a vacuum centering furnace. So then I was like, oh, sick. And it says it can do atmospheres as well, like, argon atmospheres. So I was like, oh, this is really good. Literally I'm finally getting around on the magnet project, being able to use the centering, do the centering step. But I go to set it up and I did test it before because I was trying to cross over it too with our tungsten cube project. Because it can be used to center tungsten. So it's a high temperature furnace. - But you can set it up. - Setting it up in any shape? - Yes. That's how they-- - Yeah, you're - usually that's how they do it. - So I was looking thing-- - Oh yeah. - And I spent days trouble fixing it, - We can do it. - Making it so it's good to go. And then I was reading something in the manual and it just tipped me off as something weird. And then with a little bit more reading, I'm like, oh, this thing's not supposed to run under vacuum. - Like operate under vacuum. It's just you can pull a vacuum on it, right? - You're supposed to pull a vacuum so you can replace it with argon. - But how the fuck would it heat the part up in a vacuum? Is that the problem? - It's all radiative. It's like-- and that was a whole other problem that I've had to address and figure out. But it turns out I can't use it at all for what I need to use it for. - What? - That I'm like-- - You'd buy a new one? - I think I can get it-- well, I can get away with using a tube furnace I have for another project. But then the other problem I'm just realizing now is I have to center it at a thousand fifty-sea, but above a thousand, the quartz tube you can't put it under a vacuum. - Oh, because it collapses. - So I actually have to get it too soft. It gets too soft, so I actually have to go buy an aluminum tube. And that's-- and the other-- - That's a fire. - The secondary factor that-- kind of, yeah. The thing that's bothering me now is I'm messaging the Chinese company that-- - It's never in the company. - Last time I broke the-- - It's never in the company. It's never in the company. It's the only China that does this cool shit. - But the last time I broke-- because I broke one of the quartz tubes, I chipped them. They sent me new ones, like really fast. Like a week later, I have them. So I have to get in quick, though, because I don't know when the Chinese New Year is. Because if I were like 12, I think there would go. - Yeah, so if I start getting too close to the New Year, I will not have this quartz tube for like a month and a half. Sorry, this aluminum tube. - Why don't you use a mag laser? - And the mag laser will never-- - To heat up. - What? - Yeah. Laser. - Oh. - It has to be under a high vacuum, at the same time. - Yeah, so I make use of that. - And quartz window. - Yeah, shoot the laser at it. - That's fucking-- - Shoot the laser through. It-- I've also discovered it has to be in a centering box completely covered. - Like what? - With what? A material that does not react with new dimmium iron boron, which leads me to only two options, malibdenum or boron nitride. And it has to be a sealed-- not sealed, but like-- It has to be in a box with a lid. - So you heat up the box with the laser? - The lid can the laser survive vacuum? - Yeah, you would make like get a quartz window and shine the laser through it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Would that work? - It has to be also super uniform on the box, which would work, I think, - More nitride. - And that's kind of-- - Or nitride is conductive. - Yeah. - I think that's fine. - I mean, the laser introduces-- - I mean, the laser introduces-- - I think he's got-- - I'll tell you some. What's cheaper for me is just getting the aluminum tube on time. Just thinking of getting it for me. I think they're like $50 a piece. Or maybe a hundred bucks or something, I don't know. - I need my Chinese contact to reply. - I-- so like looking-- like buying this Sacha machine, this used Sacha machine has kind of made me like go back into this, like supplier manufacturer pipeline that I hate so much. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And it makes me realize, you know, like why-- You know, I feel like America is so bad at this shit. I want-- and honestly, what I actually should do is probably just talk to go to like onto Ollie Bubba and like find manufacturers. - Oh, yeah. - Like, I feel like calling a company here, because my question is about like packaging, right? So you get the Sacha machine and you take a flat piece of plastic film. - It's pretty cool. I didn't know how this worked. - Well, yeah, because you can't make a tube. You can't seal a tube, right? - Yeah. - You can seal a tube, but you can't fill the tube. - Okay, so the problem is how do you make a catch a packet? - How do you make a catch a packet, right? - Yeah. - It's like-- - So actually, like a hard problem. - So you get a tube, you fill with catch up and then you seal it. - And then you seal it. - But how do you fill the tube with catch up? Because one end is sealed and the other end is attached to a long spool of tube. - Yeah. - So do you like have to unravel the entire tube in like shove it in a sausage case? - So you have to like sausage case, yeah. Like, no, they do is they use a flat piece of film that's like a few inches wide. And then the machine like folds it into, you know, in half. And then it seals the bottom, like one continuous action, and the side seals the bottom and the side. - And it like zips it up. - Well, yeah. So it's like, it has like the heating on it's like a big L. And so the L, like seals one side and the bottom. And when it seals the bottom, it's also sealing the top of the previous one. - Yeah. - And then the injector fills on the open kind of top where like the film is kind of coming down like a U and then it like pinches together to be like a tube. - Yeah. - It fills it right there. And then the whole film moves down and it closes, which then forms the next two-sided seal. - Yeah. - Yeah, two-sided seal, I think. Or no, three, yeah, it does two sides, one, two, because it back sides continuous. And then it like seals the top of the previous one. - Yeah. - And so it just does over and over again. But there's like registration marks on the plastic that you can use if you have like printing on the plastic and I'm like, well, if you print on the plastic, like, how does that work? And so there's like print shops. I sent someone an email and they like never got back to me. And like all I want is just information. I'm like, oh, like I want to have like a 10-minute conversation with somebody that can just tell me like, oh yeah, like there's one style of index for these machines. Or maybe they're like, oh, you can just move the optical head around on the machine to like line up wherever your index marker is. Like if you ever see those black strips on a packet, that's how the machine knows where to start and stop. - I want to go get some packets and like, yeah, there's a shit ton. And so it's like, I don't know if you have to have the index in like a specific part. I don't know if you have to have like a certain number of them or it has to be like a certain width. I don't even know if you have to have one. If you can just program the machine to like run forward, you know, for like what it thinks is like an inch. Like I don't know if it's a stepper motor or something like that. And what I want to do is I want like ideally, I want to like print custom packages. And so you like know what each thing that you that your packaging is. But I feel like doing that here is going to be a nightmare. But I don't even know where to start. And I feel like I'm going to annoy the fuck out of somebody calling them. - Wait, so like this, this white corner. - I think that white corner is the index. Yeah. And I think that this. - Oh, yeah, they all have it. - Yeah, you see this, the white strip on the salsa. I think is the indexed as well. This is like a Mexican style McDonald's salsa. - I can tell you that if you are curious about stuff, just go on Alibaba and talk to the sellers. - Yeah. But why is it. Why is it that I feel more comfortable talking to a Chinese supplier about this than an American? - American company. - I think it's just the way that the dialogue works. Like just the fact that half the sellers will just send you emojis. I find it's way more casual. And on top of that, it's kind of I guess, I mean, how they do business. I think I heard from someone that a lot of the companies at South of China, a lot of their stuff is subsidized by the government. And so it's like they're not like capitalists, people in America who are just trying to make a sale. They are trying to make a sale. - Oh, with a certain amount or bigger or they tell you they just won't give you the time of day. - I find it's just different. Like they're more willing for whatever reason actually, just to have like a conversation with you. And the times that I've said, oh, actually, it doesn't fit my budget or I actually don't need it. They're like, okay. - Yeah, they don't care. - There's actually except the one time. - They go mad. - The one absolute time. That was so bad. I emailed someone and I was trying to get all these quotes for when I was getting like, burrillium in different metals. And I forget exactly why. She gave me some quotes, but the prices were like, there's something weird about like too high or the purity wasn't good enough. And so I tried to let her down nicely. And I was like, hey, you're probably not. - I don't actually need it anymore. - Yeah. - No, I was like, I don't actually need it anymore. I'll contact you in the future if I need it, but for now I don't. And she had been like sending me follow up emails a bit and I'm like, oh, I just don't need it. But I actually remember, I felt like some virus when this happened. I of course still needed it. So I went back on Alibaba and I sent messages. Dude, I sent her a message. - I asked him. - It's so confusing. - You know she blasted out something to like a million people. - So she called me out. She was like, she was like, sure, you say you don't need it, but then you clearly need it and continue messaging. Why do you lie? - Can you not just tell the truth? - No. - Now that's a liar. - It's like, can you not just tell the truth? And I'm like, you're right. - No, why are you still there? I literally said, hey, I don't like need it. - But you did need it. - But it's like, why are you doing that? - Well, I don't like it in the middle of shit. - You got stinky people in there. - I don't know. I don't know, I didn't have, but I thought it was good enough to just be straight. Like, look, I'm not doing business with you, business with you, but it was just so funny. It's like, why do you have to lie? Why can't you not be honest? And I'm like, you know what? She's not wrong, but I was so, - She's like, just tell me. - I don't know. - Tell me why. Why? Why don't you want my medal? - Is it not? - I was so afraid. - I was so afraid. - You were not pan-shake emojis. - But, but, if you message them and some of them, it's funny, you'll be like, I literally can say, like, honestly, I don't know much about this system. Can you explain? They'll just explain things to you. - So, I sent an email to a supplier like here, a couple of weeks ago. I said, maybe two weeks ago at this point, I'm see if I can find it. - Oh yeah, why don't you go on Alibaba, send the seller, a picture of your machine and say, I need packets for the machine. - I did. Well, yeah, okay. So, this company, it was called like, Assemblies or something. I'm like, I'm looking for, quote, for food grade single serving packet for a liquid soda syrup, product project details. Liquid syrup, tear open packet, fill volume one of two ounces, initial quantity, 10,000. The goal, most cost effective packaging, print simple label, just text would be great if inexpensive. And I'm like, let me know what information you need for an accurate quote, and I just like never responded. - See, they could tell like, that's not how, they usually get emails. So, it's not, they're not even gonna bother. - Exactly. - Yeah. - You don't know the lingo, you don't know how to format it. - I don't have their swag. I don't have their shitty fucking ketchup packet swag. - I know. - That lets me, and they open the little fucking door. - They probably call them like, type 7, 2, 2, and they're like, they're, they poke, just their eye of the little fucking door, and they look at you, and they look, and then you talk, and then they just close it. They don't say a single word, they just close it. - You don't belong here. - They don't give you a chance to say the password. They don't teach you anything. - I don't think you're at the right place. - No, no, they don't say that. - They just close it. And you hear like a couple more lock engaged. - Yeah, they're like, he's trying weenie hut juniors. - Fuck. Like, I, I just, it makes me so mad. Like, I just tell me how much, give me something so that I can reevaluate and be like, okay, well, clearly I have to order like 50,000 fucking labels. But like, maybe that's fine. Maybe that's not that expensive, and I'll just do it. But like, just give me something to work with you, fucks. I don't know, that's just, that's how I feel about American companies. Like, I can't do the things I want to do. And they won't do it because I'm not a customer coming in with like a freaking $20,000 contract. - Yeah. - Like, oh, this is like gonna be a thousand bucks. We just won't even do it at that point. - Maybe they're so busy. You know, they don't have any downtime. - Maybe. - So they. - Maybe. - You know what? I'm gonna say the same thing. It's like, I, like I said, I agree with that Ali Baba lady. Like, why can't those companies just let me down easy? - This is let me down. - Just tell me they don't have time. - Exactly. - But instead they just drag you for months. - Yeah. - Cause being like, oh yeah, we'll take a look at it and then they just never reply. - Even if they say, hey, we have a minimum order quantity of 20,000 or 50,000. Just fucking tell me that. Like, give me something so I know that when I'm shopping around, I'm gonna have to buy way more of these than I need. But it's like, I don't even get that. I don't even get that information. Like there was a local company here that had like a 2,500 alarm minimum on their website. And that was to package stuff into packet. I didn't think that was a custom label or anything. And I'm like, thank you. At least like giving me the information I need to make a decision. Like, can I spend that much money? Like, I don't know. It seems kind of stupid. - I like just calling people. I don't do emails anymore. I call them until they answer. - I know. But like. - Okay, you know what? You don't the highest level strategy that I've not yet applied is. - Yeah. - Jumping immediately to help. - I'm sorry, jump to the camera. - Going on Ali Baba and asking for their WhatsApp number and just calling them. - Ah, okay, okay. Man. - That, you might have to have to be able to speak Chinese, which is maybe why I haven't tried it. But also, to me, that's a high level strat. Like saying like, do you speak English? It's like, yes, it's like, okay, I'm calling you. - Yeah, too late. - No, that's a great idea. - I swear. - I swear that some of these companies, they have some people who actually speak pretty decent English. You could, yeah. - Or if you could speak Chinese. You could contact someone on Ali Baba. Everything happens around like probably like, I mean, my time like 10 p.m. You could probably have a phone call. I guess like 7 p.m. your time. You could probably hop on a call and within like 30 minutes, like all your problems are solved and the sale is done. And then we're sending you the invoice. - Why is that? Why is that? Why it almost feels like like sales for trans manufacturers and distributors is like such an important thing in America. Like it's not. - And building relationships. - Yeah, there's no sales in America. It's just the billing department. And the billing department is like, well, I'm not gonna waste my time if you're not gonna, if I can't bill you for an obscene amount of money. Like there's no sales person. I just like wants things to happen. - I think like the way the, it works too is like, I don't know why. It feels like the connection between like the people in their company, logistically, they're way more connected. 'Cause even I was watching, I was listening to a random YouTube video of a guy talk about it. And he was saying that manufacturing in the US, he's like just socks. He goes the number of people he contacted in China to make like a bottle or something. All he wanted was a custom glass bottle. And they would say like, oh, do you want labeling for it? Do you want packaging? Do you want this? We can arrange everything. We know a guy, they're like, let me manage your project. And for like a 3% commission or something, or a 5% commission, we will be the project manager. And he said that he got that offer from the bottle company, the label company, the box company. - Oh yeah, wow. - And he goes, they're all competing. So he's like logistically, they have a much better just kind of like infrastructure. - Yes, it just works. Like imagine you want one degree. You want to make a thing, but it's just two ingredients. One of them is to your left, mild on the road. And the other one is to your right, a mild on the road. - Yes, you're like, okay, let's fucking do this today. But instead of what you have here is one of them is 3,000 miles down the road in some, you know, across the country and in another country. And then the other one is like 10,000 miles. You got to go around the world fucking, how many times? I actually don't have how far is the world in a big circle. - Probably 20, 20, 20, - Or something. - 75,000 miles to your right. - Yeah. - Like you can't, you just say fuck this, I'm not doing it. - My dad talks about this because I've had this question not as much, but my dad who orders from China, he said that he's talked to some people multiple times and they go, are you ordering anything else from China? And you're kind of like, this seems like, are you representing China? Like what are you talking about? And they're just like, no, no, or they would, sorry, they're like, are you ordering anything from Shan Zan? And my dad's like, - Like consolidating all the way to one. - And like, yeah. - And it goes through them. - Yeah. - And they get a question. - Yeah, my dad literally said he goes, Yeah, we're ordering this. He goes, oh, I know that company. Let me talk to them. If you pay me 50 bucks, we can, we can combine the shipment. I'll bring it there. Oh my God. And my dad's like, my dad's like, wait, just save like 200 bucks on a boat. And America has got 50 bucks. You pay $80 for overnight shipping and they ship it a week later. (laughing) But it was just like, it literally just happened to you. Yeah. And it's not an exam. I mean, on the, on the, yeah. I bought like the O-rings, the rebuild kit for the cylinder. Yeah. And I bought, you know, two or four from the same guy. And I was like, please combine the shipping. And then like a week after I got the order, I got a notification of like $10. What was the refining? And I'm like, oh, I did it. Yes. (laughing) Thank you. Yeah. One thing I will say like in just as, you know, instead of hating on all American companies. No, they're all pretty bad. Every so often I order from MSE supplies. What's that? When I was buying like silicon wafers, they've a bunch of like, oh, they have all the weird, like diamond wafers and stuff like that. They have a lot of wafers stuff. And when I want to buy like, there's like ball milling stuff. Like I wanted a loom, I wanted a loom in them oxide balls to put a catalyst. Oh my god. (laughing) They've a lot of stuff. But it's like, when I order from them, like I ordered something from them yesterday, it shipped today and it's scheduled to arrive tomorrow. Wow. So it's like, I have learned that they ship fast and then they actually, they're all on YouTube. They have a website with prices. And yes, a lot of these companies don't. Yeah. Yes, they have a website with prices that when you click order, you can have it very soon after you ordered it at the price listed. I was, I was, one of the things I experienced organizing my garage made me think of like dangerous thing, like the most dangerous thing in your house. Okay. But it also kind of, it kind of, you know, I don't know, feels like it's tied to the idea of American craftsmanship. My garage door. I fucking hate my garage door. But I also know that it is like, the most dangerous thing in your house, right? No. What do you mean? No, what do you think is more dangerous than a garage door? I mean, a lot of things like what garbage disposal? I don't know. No electricity, fire, natural gas. Yeah, okay. Let's say you're like, your dad. Yeah. I think maybe you say, your dad's like, Hey, Kevin, you want to help me in the garage with the garage door? How does that make you feel? I mean, I got to fix the spring. How does that make you? I'm not worried about the spring. I think that that big garage door wants you to be afraid of the spring. Okay, you know what I think it is? What? It's that if you don't know how the spring works, and you don't know what thing will make the spring move, then it's very dangerous. True. Also, you have to, you know, it's like a two-step process. You have to have these metal rods that you stick in the spring. The tighten it one after the other. And if one of them slips out, the whole spring's just gonna like explode. Yeah. Or knock you in the jaw with one of the metal rods. So I was investigating my garage door 'cause it doesn't seal like at all. Like there's enormous gaps all around it. And then I looked at Kevin's garage door and I was like, "Huh, interesting, interesting." And I noticed also that you couldn't push the garage door any closer to the wall because then when the garage door retracts, like the very last panel would scrape it. And so I'm looking at the garage door and like, how much money would it cost me to hire a company to come out and like unfuck it? And I mean, what, like no less than $1,000, right? Probably more. Probably more. And so I'm looking at it, I'm looking at it, I'm trying to figure out like, okay, like what is the spring connected to? Like what, how does this, how does that? And what I ended up doing to fix it is I found, I had like a bolt, like a half inch bolt. And I shoved it into one of the spring tightening holes. Okay. And that, you know, like that's the cross thing. Yeah. And then I zipped, I put a nut on the bolt and then put a zip tie on top of the nut. And then I zipped tie around the shaft. You're only, I'll, I'll send a picture to Johnny, he can put it on the screen. All right, John, a picture incoming hot off the grill, which room say I send it to links? Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, there she is. Okay, this, I think I'm very proud of this one. Okay. And I didn't die. And I did the thing you're not supposed to do. Cause I didn't want to adjust the spring. I just wanted to lift the door off of the spring. Yeah. So I could figure out how to make that stupid fucking bottom wheel a little bit lower so that when the last panel comes around, it doesn't scrape the door. Yeah. Wait, what am I looking at? You're looking at, okay. So go more to the right, John. Yeah. Okay. So that's the thing that the garage door people, okay, first of all, that's the spring right there. Yeah. Then that's the like the, the socket thing that the garage where people put like the pole posts into like crank it down. Yeah. So I stuck a nut on the bolt and then I tied a zip tie around the nut and then I tied a zip tie around the, the shaft, the axle. Okay. And so that way the, the bolt couldn't fall out. Oh, I see. And then you just adjusted it a little bit so then you could spend the, yeah. So then I slowly lifted up the door, which then kicked the bolt in against the, the wood. Yeah. And that basically stopped the spring from lifting the door and they locked the spring in place and then I was able to just like pry the door up like six inches and shove a stool under it. Oh, nice. And then that released the spring tension from the door. And then this is like, I'm telling you, man, I saved so much money, but one day I'll end up in the fucking hospital. And then what I did, yeah, that's what I thought will meant when the garage door was dangerous. No, no, look at the clip. Oh, no, no, no, no. That would, Jesus Christ, that's scary movie. Yeah. Okay. I realized that whatever fucking moron installed this door like 20 years ago, they put the wheel on the bottom too high. They like drilled their own holes. Yeah. And what happens is when you put the wheel too high, then like the part where the door bend, the door goes up. Yeah. It like, it rotates around the wheel. If the wheel's too high, it like the whole door. Imagine you like you're installing your front door to your house. Yeah. And when you go to close it, like the door hits the sill. So instead of fucking fixing it, you just take like a little two by four and put your goddamn like door pin the receiver, whatever you call that. Yeah. You like take that little metal plate and you just mount it like three inches back from where it should be. And so now when you close your door, there's like a one inch gap. And you can just see outside and people coming and look inside your fucking house through the hall. That was my garage door. Yeah. And I'm like, you could, you could, people walking by, you could just hear them, cars, you hear like everything was so loud. And I'm sitting there looking at this door that someone could have paid like an extra 500 always to install better. And then just put the wheel lower. Right. No, there was already holes there coming. I know. I bring the picture up. I sent a second picture. Look at this shit. No, I'm like, I cannot stress enough in my life. Yeah. Why pay someone to fuck it up when I could just fuck it up myself. Like seriously, if I called a garage door company, would they have fixed it? Like zoom in. You see that hole up there is where it was screwed in. And then the whole below it is like the actual hole that existed. Oh, so I was able to like move them down like a half an inch. And that immediately fixed the whole problem. And I have the door shoved up against the goddamn wall now. Nice. And so it seals like perfectly. And I didn't die. So I just want to say anyone out there who's thinking about working on their garage or themselves build up the courage, use in everything. Don't wear safety glasses. It's easy. It is. You can do it yourself. Don't be afraid of that big spring. That's just big garage door telling you that it's dangerous. I swear, that's like a technique of all trade jobs is to tell people that they can't do it themselves. Like you better not do this. Like so many bad things could happen. I know. Yeah, honestly though, like seeing your average person does something I wouldn't want to tell him how to do it either. There I could people killed themselves doing it. Maybe they definitely have probably broken a jaw. Yeah. Well, that's what happens is like they put a fucking like piece of rebar in that in that post to like crank the spring. Yeah. And then something slips and then it fucking winds up and clocks them in the head. Yeah. That would be bad. But I picked my garage door. I worked with garage door springs. I'm not afraid of them anymore. And I just have, I really, it's like one more stake in the ground of like do everything yourself. Don't fucking trust anybody. Yeah. Everyone here, like they nobody wants to do a good job. They just want to squeeze as much money out of you as possible and let you hear every goddamn sound on the street from your garage when the door is closed. You just saved $1,000. I, I, you know, I should actually call a company and ask how much they would charge to do it and see what they say. Yeah. I'm curious. I really would like to know how much I save. They wouldn't even tell you they're going to have to send somebody out. Yeah. Well, I mean, after your story about the fucking air conditioner subscription. Yeah. Kiss my ass. I'm not paying a garage door subscription to got to send the tech out. That's going to be 80 bucks to get the quote or you can subscribe to garage door repair services for would you pay? It was 35. five a month. And how many months did you do it before you really six or eight? God, you dumb ass. You dumb ass. You fucking dumb ass. I got me good. I couldn't even remember the name of the place that I called. No, I wanted to cancel it. That's bad. That's really murder. You should be embarrassed. No, maybe a little bit. They should be embarrassed. I'm the victim. I've been organizing my old stuff though. Do you have a lot of old stuff for your old stuff? Like from like high school or earlier? Not really. Not how much your old shit do you have laying around? Uh, not too much. I mean, I definitely still have some. Yeah, like like chemicals or lab equipment, something where you just like, you bought it a long time ago. I mean, yeah, I have a lot of that stuff. But just like you still use it or it kind of. No. Yeah, that's how I feel. It's just the feeling of maybe I will use it someday. Mm hmm. You want to know what I organized yesterday for about two hours? I can't even begin to imagine all of the like miscellaneous nuts and bolts. No way. I just been like throwing into a fucking bin since like high school and college. Wow. You organized the bolt bucket. Yeah. I didn't. I didn't like, I didn't 100% organize it. But I first started with I had a bulk of like 10, 20, 10, 32s, I think. I think it was 10, 32s. Okay. And so I basically was like quarter 20, 10, 32 metric. And then once I was done with that, I took the metric bin and then I was like these match. I just like clacked the threads together to see if they match. And I later, I spent it for like two hours. I haven't fully organized it. I think that the little bits and bops. I'm just going to fucking throw away. I'm like, you know what? I'm like the miscellaneous tiny screw. It's due like a rough organizing. Like these are all like quarter 20. I'm talking like the bolts you get. And like a TV mount. Yeah. Like a wall. Oh, what? Yeah. Did you have like a box full of those like I can't I not the specialty stuff. I just immediately throw away. I'm not like I. Yeah. Like the hard like it's like the plastic. Yeah. Yeah. Strips. Yeah. Like the freaking hot dog like casings. But yeah, instead of me. I I and I knew I couldn't just throw it all away. Right. Like I think there was like some part of me that would have killed itself. If I yeah, throw it all away, even though that's the right answer. And so I just sat there just and I knew it was a waste of time. Like man, I should just order a kit. But I did it. And I I don't regret it. I feel like it was maybe some form of therapy. Maybe yeah. That makes any sense. Like it was it was like going through your, you know, imagine like a parent or grandparent dies that you were closing. And it's like you're fixing past Williams mistakes. You know, like closing parts of your life. Like I have known that that bin or it was these like tubs, like, you know, soup tubs from the tire restaurant. Yeah. Both of that symbol has been sitting there for a long time. And I'm like, I have to take care of this problem. And it's almost like it's almost like a wound, like a physical wound. Yeah. And if I had a wound on your soul, because what happens if you throw it away? You need it. If it like, no, it's worse than that. You're like, why did I ever keep those? Oh, oh, it's an admission of guilt. Yeah. And it's, yeah, it's like, I think it's it's not an admission of. No, it's a little different. It's kind of the same. But it's almost like I, like you never, yeah, I've been holding on to this for so long. I thought I would need it. I never needed it. Why did I hold on to it for so long? Right. What was I thinking? Yeah. And so I think by just spending the time to organize it, it was kind of like, it was like, okay, I did it. I did the thing that I always kind of felt I was going to do, which was the justification for keeping this shit, which if I would have thrown away, then I was lying to myself. Okay. Does that make any sense? Yeah. That makes sense. Because everybody's been there. Because it's not that I don't need it. Because I definitely will need that stuff. Like, okay, like I'll need some like an m or bolt at some point. Oh, yeah. I know exactly where it is now. It's accessible. It's more just like the I threw it away. I saved it for a long time. I promised that I was going to do. I had this idea that I was going to do this and I never did it. And I'm ashamed of myself. It may be disciplined. It's like proving that what are they, what do they call one a samurai? Like just sort of kills themselves? Sepaku. The Paksadoku. What do they call that? It's like proof of your, what do they call that when you have like commitment, the ultimate commitment? Like, R, is it R? Ultimate commitment. Yeah. And you know what I'm saying? We'll see. What you like resolve? Oh, okay. My resolve. I like proved my resolve last night by organizing 400 nuts and both. So now you can keep holding on to stuff. Because you know eventually in the future, you are. Yes. Yes. That's what it means. No, but I think that me showing my resolve then is like I can now reassess my relationship with fucking garbage. Oh, okay. Sorry. Not fucking. That sounds bad. Trash. Trash. Saving trash. Salvege. Having sex with trash is what I'm trying to say. So I, I have, I think that's, I think why I am in, I'm just, you know, it's good. Things are good. Good. My shit is together. My stool is loose. Finally. Finally. So I don't know. I, that's, and then the, the final closure of this is knowing that you guys save your fucking trash too. Yep. Even you save your trash. I know it. Dude, what do you fucking have that you shouldn't have, Nigel? What's shit from your childhood? You're like sitting on a take-up space. Do you have chemicals in your parents house still? No. You don't have like a cabinet of stuff. I had a drawer in my parents house and I had a fucking apple juice bottle, like a single serving apple juice bottle full of aluminum say shavings that came out of a goddamn sauce. No, not a sauce. All circular saw from cutting this aluminum grating at an old job. I was like, wow, it's a lot of aluminum shavings. I should fucking, I could do something with these. Yeah. Of course. Fucking drawers for like 10 years. I still have a Wii U. Why? I haven't used it in six years and it just sits in my closet and work anymore. Takes up all it does. It just takes up an entire box with like the games and the controllers. You don't really seem like a Wii kind of guy. No. No. You're telling me, Nigel, you don't have a single piece of fucking shit from your childhood young adult. I didn't say that. I said I don't have a lot. Like definitely not chemicals. What about that guitar? Yeah. Where do you get the guitar from? When is that from? Like two years ago, three years ago. Remember two years ago and you said we're gonna learn how to play this song? Two years ago. That was like six months ago. And the thing is, the thing is, I used to be able to play guitar. It's kind of like, I feel like I'm an old person who's never gonna serenade us. I still have a guitar that I never play. I feel like an old person who like just, I don't know, it's crazy. Normally you pick something up. It's like riding a bike. You get back on it. You're like, wow, like I totally forgot. But I still, you know, once I started, I got the hang of it again. No, nothing. The memory's gone. It doesn't make any sense. I, I've restarted watching the same tutorials. It's like I was relearning everything. Oh, yeah. There's like no muscle memory. It actually, it actually made me think that there might be something wrong with my brain. I feel like that every goddamn day. How are we at? Oh, okay. It's time for the extra. No, there's 10 more minutes. Okay. But what's the most dangerous thing that you own? Well, in your house. And I mean that like, like from the garage door perspective, right? Like I think, like going through, going through my shit, trying to sort of like fix some of the boo-bos in my life. You know, like I don't need to fix the garage door, but I want to. I don't need to go through my childhood things, but like I want to. I just want to sort of like, do you have any of those clouds in your head that you just want to get rid of that have in like at all? Like I mean, yeah, I guess. No. Are you talking about like, no, I just, I just, I, okay, I found like firecrackers too. Okay. I'm like, they're not dangerous, but like they definitely are like not like what kind of firecrackers little red ones. They're like, they're like small. Oh, okay. Yeah. Um, each with like their own little fuse on them. Yeah. Those are fine. But like going through your stuff, you know, I mean, I, it's not limited. I guess to just like household crap, but I mean, like going through your stuff. What is like the worst thing that you have? acid. Like old acid, unlabeled acid? No, just bottles of nitric acid. Okay. If there's one thing that like kind of keep me awake at night is if there was an earthquake, something really bad would happen. In the last bottle. Yes. Why don't you get a chemical cabinet or something? That would help. But it's still like even a plastic bottle, you know, used to be in like a 2.5 liter plastic bottle. Yeah. And like, you know, if that fell over, it would be bad too. What described the bad? Okay. So nitric acid releases clouds of poisonous gas when it is the gas nitric acid. It's nitrogen dioxide. Yeah. That's the red gas. Okay. And it just reacts good stuff. Everything. Nitric acid reacts with everything and it takes tends to set things on fire when it does that too. So you have fire, you have toxic gas, and then, yeah, that's just my thoughts. - I remember Nigel, yeah, when we've gone over this before. - And even having like the apodio with nitrogasted. - You know, I have a few magnetic gas. - Like propane tank, but that was something in the little bitch and it's like, what's that? It's kind of thing. - What about like in your personal stuff Nigel, what's like the thing that scares you the most? - Oh batteries, I've old lifeos too. - Just sitting there in a box, like, I hardly use them. I never do, but you know, nice to have around. - I think the good news with those is they only pop when they're being used mostly. - Yeah, or charged. I think all of these are probably just dead by now. - Yeah, I think that if they've been sitting a long time and they've gone bad, they have nothing left to give is my theory. And I could be wrong, but I bet you I'm like 95% right on that. - Okay. - Don't charge them. (laughs) - We'll see. - I mean, so you're saying personally or at the office? - Okay, if you died. - And someone was going through your shit. You got any of those? - Oh yeah. - Yeah, I would say that it's all the office. - Really? - Yeah. - 'Cause I was like labeling, I took a bottle, I like filled up a little vial of ethanol. So that you would have access to your ever clear. - Oh yeah. - I didn't label it. And I was looking at it and I was like, I should probably label that. - Yeah. - And then I did. What's your, I mean, ethanol's not that bad, but like. - Oh, it would be like, I don't know, something like, just a jar and unlabeled jar with maybe something in it. - Fucking throw it in the trash. - Yeah. - Do you have any, what about you, Nigel? - I would say that the thing that concerns me the most in general, it is just a lot of the chemicals. I do my best to label everything, but it's like, there are certain things that I'm sure people would have to get some sort of external help for like. - Is there a company going to my camel? - It's gotta be a company, like a lab disposal company, right? - Oh yeah, like how's it? - Yeah, clean up. But it's like, I have like my bromine, I have my cabinet of oxidizing stuff. I have, you know, hydrofluoric acid. - Yeah, the bromine is pretty scary to keep around. - Yeah, I think the hydrofluoric acid, that's more like corrosion risk, whereas like I would be afraid that somebody just grabs the hydrofluoric. I also have a bunch of white phosphorus that people probably don't think is a problem until they, I mean, I don't think why, I don't know why they take it out of the water. - How much bromine do you have? - Not that much anymore, probably like, I used a lot of it for one of the videos. But I probably have like 80 grams or something. - No, okay. - What do you do with the hydrofluoric acid if you wanted to dispose of it? - You could pour it on the ground. - What do you do legally or illegally? - Are we on the right-hand or off-the-right-hand? - What is your average person going to do here? - What's morally ethical? - Yeah, morally ethical. I think legal is fucking horses. I think ethical is-- - Yeah, readically. Theoretically, I would say that you could dilute it and then just neutralize it with like sodium bicarb or something, it's one of them. Sodium, but I think, I don't know, carbonate or bicarbinate, and it'll just make sodium fluoride, which if you just diluted enough, you're just like kind of pouring toothpaste down the drain. - Okay. - And you don't even have diluted that much. Like my fluoride toothpaste, I think is like 5% sodium fluoride. - Okay, so-- - So it's pretty tolerable. You definitely shouldn't put the pure acid down the drain 'cause I think it just attacks everything. - What about the bromine? - The bromine, you can neutralize it pretty easily. You can just open it outside, go to an empty field and crack it. - Yeah, just crack it and walk away. - Yeah, you could. - Yeah, you could. - For the homies? - Yeah. - No, like Kevin's right, especially here in the winter, if there's snow, you could just pour it all on the snow, and it would just eventually, actually it'll stay frozen for a while, but it will slowly vaporize. There'll be some weird brown snow for a while. - So if you just like fucking died, what would everyone do? Well, how would they start to like get rid of the things without you there? What would they do? Do you have any idea? - I think most of the stuff is doable. I think people would find a lot of fun stuff. - Yeah, but I've been saying like, Reggie and your brother, like what would they do? It's like the first step. Would they know what to do? Or would they like have a call? - Yeah, 'cause now you're dead. You know Reggie is going to be touching everything in your lab. - Yeah, with his ass. - Yeah. - How does he kill himself on accident? - Yeah. - 'Cause he's touching everything. - Everything. - I mean, I guess the chemicals are always the things that are gonna be the most concerning. I mean, maybe some radioactive stuff, but I don't really have anything that's like that bad. - That bad if you're handling it, but what if somebody has no fucking idea what's going on? You have like a thing on the cabinet that's like, no, no, no touch touch. - Yeah. - I don't know, I kind of set things up just in case, but also I don't know. I have to think about it. - 'Cause I kind of like, I know, I think if I died, really honestly, it would just be like passwords. - Ah, yeah. - I'm not sure there's too much that I have that's like, that. - Yeah. - That like, secretly bad. - Yeah. - Or like, unassumingly dangerous. - It's all pretty obvious. I mean, like, honestly, I just, I really nothing, nothing. - Yeah. - I haven't done anything too shoddy. Maybe some, yeah, no, my garage door work is sound. - Oh, there is an electrical thing that I did. - Oh, okay. - There's some like kind of live wires dangling. - That's sick. - In a box. - Okay, does the box say anything? - No, it doesn't. - Why don't you just put wiggles on them? - I don't know. (laughing) - I just remembered this. So thank you for this. - For us. - I just, I clipped. - Is it attic or something? - No, it's in the air compressor box. - Oh. - And I cut the wires and I tucked them in there. - God. - So they're still live with 240 volts. - Oh, you fuck, you put one wager on it. - Yeah, I should do that later. (laughing) - God damn it. - Yeah, 'cause you know, I know I just like, oh, what if Will needs to take the inverter? - Yeah. - And use it, he might get a little outchy. - That's literally how I think about like everything that I do and like, okay, like Kevin comes in here. - Mm-hmm. He's gonna touch everything. - He's gonna touch, well, he's gonna have that confidence to touch it. And so then I'm like, all right, I gotta like, you know, make it so that if you stick your hands in there, it's not like a total disaster. - Yeah, well, I mean, you'd really have to get in there to touch the wire. - Would you, how easy would it be to just like knock them and make a big spark? - Hard. Yeah, there's no risk of that. - Okay, okay. - And they're only live actually while the earth is running. - I do. - So they're connected to the inverter side of the, yeah, so it's not just randomly gonna-- - I feel like if there is accidental, like if there is exposed wires. - Yeah. - I pretty much immediately, that's a huge red flag for me. And I just assume they're live. - Okay. - So I would say if you're confident that you're not gonna be like, you know, just you can see them or you'll never touch them without seeing them and they're not gonna like short and light something on the fire, it's probably fine. - No, I basically just like cut the extension cord. - Okay. - An actual death cable? - Yeah, kinda. - Okay. Okay. - Well, thank you guys for listening. We're gonna go to the extra right now and answer your questions and that. And that, so thank you to everyone who supports us on Patreon. You can find a link there in the description below where we post an extra podcast to Q&A every single week because we love you guys. And we know that you love us, right Nigel? I love you. Say it back. - I love the people. - See? - That's how much he cared about you. (laughs) - He'll never say it about me. He won't even say to Kevin. - I'll say to Kevin. - What the fuck? - I love you, Kevin. - I love you, Nigel. - This is my fucking bullshit. - This sounded very, it sounded sarcastic, but I meant it. (laughs) - Well, it feels so good. - I literally could not get anymore depressed right now. (laughs) - But you had such a good day. - Yeah, well, this is the final drop of the road because we're going rock bottom now. I'm going home and I'm doing hard drugs. - Spending more time in the garage. - Sublimated coffee. - Yeah. - All right, see you guys on Patreon. - Bye.