‘We’re going to keep the oil’: Joe details his Monday discussion with President Trump

-What are you doing here? It's time to leave! Katsokampaneehdot. Eliti osaitteessa eliksia pistefi. Kikstartin kludit. Olen huolioa. Katsokampaneehdot. Olen huolioa. Olen huolioa. Kikstartin kludit. joten hieman jälkeen jälkeen, joten hieman jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen jälkeen, k mennään, mitä ingresin on, ja mikä on, ja minkä luomakaisin, ovat myös vansnotifikasiassa. Mitä, Joe, tietysti miettimään seuraavaksi. Nyt jälkeen, mitä seuraavaksi? -Kiitos, ja miettimään seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi seuraavaksi. Ja seuraavaksi, että miettimään seuraavaksi. Ja miettimään seuraavaksi, että miettimään seuraavaksi. voidaan nähdä, että haluaisi nähdä. Se on tehty, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi seuraavaksi se Me olemme seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Täällä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Roobio, seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Joe, seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. David, seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi nähdä, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi, että haluaisi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Seuraavaksi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. Sosiaan, että koromalla on seuraavaksi ensimmäisellä seuraavaksi. niin on tapauksessa, kuten Nicolismandurauksessa - näkymme näkyy, että haluaisin itse asiassa, - että jokin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, - että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, - että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, - että haluaisin yksin näkyy, että haluaisin yksin näkyy, - Of course, I restrain myself greatly out of respect for American justice and respect for an American court. I ask forgiveness and apologize to the United States for that. But I could not remain silent and the face of a man who ruined a large part of my life and has ruined the lives of more than 40 million Venezuelans. - Wow. - So it was an extraordinary, powerful moment to watch that. And of course, to watch Maduro and his wife so humbled in their prison garb, handcuffed, walking out of the courtroom and yet in their words as defined as they were a market contrast. - And in that voice, from that man, the voices of millions of exiled Venezuelans here in the United States. In terms of illegal defense, did we learn anything, did you hear anything? Could you read between the lines yesterday? - Yeah, and it's not just reading between the lines, very Pollock, who had represented Julian Assange and now represents Maduro, previewed that he is going to make motions to dismiss on the basis of not only had of state immunity but about the legality of the abduction in the first place. And I think that Mr. Pollock would have been very interested Joe in the conversation you had with the president yesterday. Had that conversation taken place before the court appearance? I expect that comments like that would have been addressed and he would have told the judge, "This was pretextual. This was a military operation all along. It was always about the oil that the president intends to keep and not about an indictment or a superseding indictment of Nicholas Maduro, who has been under indictment in the United States already for five plus years." - So talk about the head of country, defense, and why it most likely will not work here because the United States obviously didn't recognize him as the head of Venezuela after he stole the 2024 election. - Well, the reason it won't work is because it's subjective. As you just noted, the United States has not recognized Maduro as the legitimate head of state. And courts in the past have held that what matters is how the executive branch thinks about a head of state, not how that de facto ruler thinks about themselves. That having been said, we have a longstanding tradition. It is in international law that heads of state are supposed to have sovereign immunity from prosecution in another country. So that is going to be a think, a large part of Maduro's defense. But even turning to the indictment itself, if you look at the ways in which this newest indictment contrasts and compares with what we saw in 2020, the allegations against Maduro and Celia Flores are not the things that have changed here. In fact, the allegations against them and in terms of the narco-trafficking conspiracy, the drug conspiracy, the possession of handguns and destructive devices and the conspiracy to sort of traffic those arms, none of the things that they are said to have done in the indictment are new facts. All of the new information is information about other people and their participation in the conspiracy. But the specific allegations against Maduro and Celia Flores those go back any number of years and certainly well predate that 2020 indictment. All to say, very public, I think has a good argument that this is merely pretext. This is political theater dressed up as a domestically little proceeding. All right, David Ignatius, final thoughts. So, Joe, thinking again about your conversation with the president, it's not surprising that he's feeling excited, proud, what was done by the U.S. military, Friday night, Saturday morning in Caracas. And, you know, for a president that's the headiest experience imaginable. The concern I have is that we have now 30 years of evidence of presidents sort of overwhelmed with their power to change events through military force, discovering that in the end that power isn't infinite and that it's harder to get out of these wars than people think it is. You know, the famous comment of General Dave Patras on the way into Baghdad, tell me how this ends. I found myself asking that about Venezuela. Tell me how this ends because I don't see how you easily get the oil out of the ground. I don't see how you easily stabilize the country and have a pathway to democratic elections. So I'd sure like to hear more in your next conversation with the president about how this ends because I don't get it yet. And, of course, the David Trace quote, "Tell me how this ends." That echoes, of course, the Powell doctrine. Right. You break it, you bought it. Colin Powell, who lost so many friends at Vietnam when he was in power, he came up with the doctrine, basically said, before you go in, tell me your exit strategy. Tell me that the majority of the American people are supporting it and tell me how this is central to America's foreign policy interests. And so those are always good reminders. The Washington Post, David Ignatius, and MSNOW, Senior Legal Reporter Lisa Rubin. Thank you both very much for coming on this morning and still ahead on Morning Joe, the Trump administration makes sweeping cuts to childhood vaccine recommendations and at least one top Republican is pushing back. But first, our next guest says Trump's American dominance may leave us with nothing. The Atlantic's Ann Applebaum joins us with that. And as we go to break, a quick look at the travels forecast this morning from Baku Weathers, Bernie Reino. Bernie, how's it looking? - Make it with tracking some rain here on your Tuesday. Your exclusive vacuum of the forecast showing the rain in Chicago, maybe a little ice and green babe this morning. Rain this afternoon, Buffalo Albany, Boston, New York City, Washington, DC. It's not cold with clouds for the most part. Not cold in the South, 75 in Dallas. We're gonna keep an eye on fog and charlotte in the landscape. Don't think it's gonna be thick enough to cause any travel delays there this morning and we're fine in Boston, New York City and Philadelphia. They help you make the best decisions and be more in the know. Download the Acura Weather app today. (music) Lomannloppuminen ja pakkaaminen voi tuntua ikävältä. Jopa niin ikävältä, että laukkujen kasaminen oven eteen tuntuu hyvältä ajatukselta. Säärebori, Lomia, joiden etsoisi loppuvan. (music) The headlines never stop and it's harder than ever to tell what's real, what matters, and what's just noise. That's where Patsi of America comes in. I'm Tommy Vittor and every week I'm joined by fellow former Obama aides John Favreaux, John Loveitt, and Dan Pfeiffer to break down the biggest stories and pack what they mean for the future of our democracy and add just enough humor to stay sane along the way. You'll also hear honest in-depth conversations with big voices in politics, media and culture, like Rachel Maddo, Gavin Newsom, and Mark Cuban that you won't find anywhere else. New episodes drop every Tuesday and Friday with deep dives every other weekend. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, watch on YouTube or subscribe on Apple Podcast for ad free episodes. But the president said it's true. The United States of America is running Venezuela. By definition, that's true. Jake, we live in a world in which you can talk all you want about international niceties and everything else. But we live in a world, in the real world, Jake, that is governed by strength, that is governed by force, that is governed by power. By definition, we are in charge. Because we have the United States military stationed outside the country. We set the terms and conditions. We have a complete embargo on all of their oil and their ability to do commerce. So for them to do commerce, they need our permission. For them to be able to run an economy, they need our permission. So the United States is in charge. The United States is running, so the country during this transition period. White House deputy chief of staff for policy, Stephen Miller, in a contentious interview with CNN's Jake Tapper about Venezuela. Miller also said, "Nobody is going to fight the United States militarily over the future of Greenland." So John-- >> John Lamirez here. >> John Lamirez here. A lot to digest this morning. My conversation with the president, where he just openly said, unlike Iraq, he basically, you know, he didn't say Bush was a sucker, but he said, "Bush is a mistake-wise." He's always sort of felt that way about George W. Bush. He said, "Bush is a mistake-wise." He didn't keep the oil to pay for the operation. He said, "We're going to keep the oil." So you have that. And then you have Stephen Miller going on Jake Tapper and saying, "Well, you're going to do whatever we want to do because we're the United States." And this involves Greenland. Of course, this is what people like Ann Applebaum, who is with us and will be going to in a minute, is said for some time. This is great power. Spears of influence, which obviously blows apart everything that we built since World War II. I'm curious, though, in that Stephen Miller interview, I always talk about separating signal from the ground noise. Based on everything you know, is that the signal coming from the White House? Is that what we're going to be doing as a country? Or is that ground noise? So two things here. First on Venezuela, and your interview with the president. It seems that there's been a comparison of what's happening in Venezuela to what happened in Iraq in 2003. And President Trump's answer to that is he rejects that because he says, "Well, the difference is I'm me." He was George W. Bush. He made mistakes. I'm not going to make those same mistakes, including taking the oil and using it to pay for the operation. What we also then saw from Stephen Miller is confirming the premise that we talked about on the show yesterday. But this is sort of it by the U.S. running Venezuela. It means, well, we're sitting outside using our military, almost as a loaded gun in this image and dictating our terms. Like this is an extortionist relationship. We'll get what we want out of you. And as far as Greenland, and I wrote on this yesterday, too, with a couple colleagues, there's something here. There is something real here. Now, there's no belief that the U.S. is going to use military force to take Greenland. But here's the thing. They wouldn't have to. We talked to a lot of European officials yesterday, including those in Denmark. If Trump this morning were to put on truth social, Greenland is part of the United States. Europe has nothing to do. Can't do anything about it. Okay, help me out here on Greenland. First of all, and help our viewers out on Greenland. You know, we've all grown up seeing Greenland, you know, ironically name. It's just a sheet of ice. Suddenly, over the past three, four years, we've heard about how strategically it's gained so much work. You know, President, President's looking at things. And whether it's, you know, the $40 trillion that's underground in Venezuela, or if he's looking at Greenland, there's a reason he's looking at Greenland. Can you talk about, is it minerals? Is it the fact that we've heard for some time that Russia, possibly China, could use routes there to strategically undermine the United States? What is the obsession with Greenland? It's all of the above, and not just that it looks disproportionately large on those flat maps. It's not just because Greenland looks like it's the biggest country in the world. It is. It is the minerals underground, 100% right. It is the fact that it's strategically located as a shipping routes, the China and Russia want. Also, the US has talked about wanting another base there, which infuriates the Danes, because they, as we talked to them yesterday, they're like, "If you want to build another base here, we'll let you." But you just ask us. You don't need to seize this island in order to do so. It also plays into the spheres of influence. It's in the Western Hemisphere. So therefore, the United States, President Trump, thinks it should belong to us. And it is, you know, it is something where he is not that concerned with the sanctity of the European Union, or even the sanctity necessarily of NATO. Because, of course, if the US, and that's the, that's the subplot here. If the US were to actually say, "We're taking Greenland," either by force, by coercion, even offering a referendum. Hey, let's have the residents vote on it. There's been a speculation on issuing cash payments to voters. Like, well, if you come to become American, we'll give you a couple thousand dollars. Whatever it might be, even just doing that would disrupt the NATO alliance. And because it's based on Article 5, if you're making an incursion on one, all the others have to respond. And there's a sense there that it would, that NATO would splinter over Greenland. Greenland, as you say, largely, is a sheet of ice. Yeah. At the same time, you ask signal or ground noise. I think we've learned to believe Donald Trump, especially if he says something several times. It's the plan. It is the signal. And Stephen Miller is right in which there's not going to be a war fought over Greenland. The Europe is not going, there's not going to be a shooting war over Greenland. If the United States simply wants it, there's not much they can do. Cadi K, obviously there were protests over Venezuela, Greenland would be something altogether different. Talk about how badly any action, again, any hostile action against Greenland, whether it's military intervention or something less, would splinter the United States alliances with the Europe, with NATO, with the EU. Well, I think, first of all, it would splinter the United States. I mean, I do think this would be an action that would produce more of a reaction, perhaps, from some Republicans in Congress, than we saw over Venezuela, because it is dramatic. Because when it comes to America's relationship with European alliances, it would be the end of everything that we've known since the Second World War. This would be the moment at which Europeans say, "We do not trust America to be an ally to this continent." I mean, it's so unthinkable for Europeans, except as Jonathan says, now they're waking up to the realization that something that was unthinkable two months ago actually looks a lot more possible today. But how would European countries trust America again, and how would European countries manage to go to their populations, were America ever to need alliances in the West, and say, "Would you help us, would you support action in favor of America right now?" I think you would lose so much goodwill that America would effectively be on its own, and maybe America thinks maybe the Trump administration thinks that's fine, that the American military that pulled off this daring operation in Venezuela can do anything it wants. But there have been incidences in the not very distant past when America has turned to European alliances. I think it would find those alliances were no longer there. The Prime Minister of Denmark said yesterday, "If the United States goes in and just sees his Greenland, which is controlled by Denmark, without resistance, it would mark the end of the NATO alliance." That's the word of the Danish Prime Minister. Let's bring in staff writer at the Atlantic and Applebaum, her latest piece is titled, "Trump's American Dominance may leave us with nothing." Good morning. We got a little window into this idea of American dominance from Stephen Miller. You heard those quotes there yesterday on CNN where he said effectively, "We're the strongest country in the world. We've got the best military in the world, therefore we do as we please." Walk us through a little bit more of your piece and why this may not all end so well. So the Trump administration seems to be operating on an old idea of foreign policy, namely that what the point of foreign policy is is for the United States to dominate. And in particular, they want to dominate the Western hemisphere. There's some implication that they don't care so much anymore what happens in Europe or in Asia or in Africa. This is what they want to do and in our hemisphere, we get to be the bully. We don't have to explain. We don't have to justify. I was very struck actually by in the previous segment, the long conversation about legitimacy and legality. Actually, that's not how Stephen Miller talks. That's not how Donald Trump talks. We don't have to explain if we feel like taking Madurai will take him if we feel like taking somebody else or threatening somebody else will do that too. And that's their idea of how they will increase American power and prosperity. It is directly opposite. It is directly contrary to the way in which America built its power and its prosperity over the last 70 years. We did so by building a network of alliances by creating friendships, by supporting values, the value of democracy, the value of legitimacy, rule of law when it was possible, international law when it was possible, by creating institutions that lots of people bought into by having friendships. And this new way of speaking and this new way of acting will destroy all of those friendships and all of those institutions and all of those links. And you can hear it happening already. I mean, you've already been discussing Greenland. Now, that is the significance of Greenland for Europeans. What they're hearing is not some conversation about shipping lanes or minerals or whatever excuse the Trump administration is using for wanting the island. And I should say, the Danes have said repeatedly that there's almost, not almost, there is nothing that the U.S. could possibly want to do in Greenland that the Danes wouldn't arrange for them to be able to do. But their hearing is the U.S. saying, we can do what we want. We don't care about the rest of you. We don't share your values anymore. Goodbye. And let's talk about Ukraine after speaking with the President, I called around to try to figure out the latest on the negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. And what I learned was that Europe and U.S. negotiators were coming close to an agreement on a NATO Article V like security guarantee. I'm curious if that has agreed upon by European leaders and the United States over the next week. And it's something that European leaders and even Zelensky can agree on. Do you have any confidence at all that Vladimir Putin would sit down and sign that agreement? It's even worse than that. I have no confidence that he would sign that agreement. He has still never said that he wants to end the war. He has never given any indication that he's given up on his primary goal, which is the occupation and the incorporation of Ukraine. Worse than that, though, is the question of whether, given the way the President has been speaking over the last several days, and along with some of his advisors, why would anyone believe that the United States is a reliable partner in a security guarantee? What you're going to see in Europe and around the world, actually, as a consequence of this new language is all kinds of countries hedging and making new alliances, but also doubting whether the United States can be trusted. So we now have several polls of distrust. We don't trust the Russians, we don't trust the Americans, we don't trust the Chinese. And yesterday, the New York Times reporting that Ukraine has developed extraordinarily dangerous new technology with AI and their use of drones. I'm curious with the losses that continue to mount against Vladimir Putin, and with reports that he's certain to sweep across the rest of the Donbass. We've been hearing that now for a year. It's just not happening. The Ukrainians continue to fight back, fight back harder, and the toll is just growing with the Russians economically. And also militarily, does he ever, at some point, throw up his arms and realize that if he can get the Donbass, he should take the victory and go home. So, had we been putting real economic pressure on Russia? Had the Trump administration used the tools, even that were being used during the Biden administration to put pressure on Russia? This war might be over. Putin cannot continue this indefinitely. He is losing a thousand men every day, every day. So think about it. I mean, the United States lost what was at 60, 65,000 people in Vietnam. And that was a trauma that lasted for generations. We made movies about it. We're still talking about it. And the Russians are losing that number of people every two months. It's not something they can continue indefinitely. And the Ukrainians in conjunction now with the Europeans who are now the primary supporters of Ukraine, both financially and militarily, have held the line in a way that I think they aren't given nearly enough credit for. In terms of their ability to constantly reinvent the way the war is fought, whether through AI or through new drone technology or new missiles, also with their national resilience. This administration and many of the people around it like to downplay the role of values and the role of ideals. One of those things matter in a world of hard power and transactionalism. Ukraine is a country whose ideals and values are part of what are making them continue to resist. And I can't give you a date and I can't give you a time. But no, the Russians are not going to be able to do this forever. Their economy can't take it. Their society can't take it. The headlines never stop and it's harder than ever to tell what's real, what matters and what's not. The headlines never stop and it's harder than ever to tell what's real, what matters and what's just noise. That's where Potsyth America comes in. I'm Tommy Vittor and every week I'm joined by fellow former Obama aides John Favreaux, John Lovett and Dan Fifer to break down the biggest stories, unpack what they mean for the future of our democracy and add just enough humor to stay sane along the way. You'll also hear honest in-depth conversations with big voices in politics, media and culture like Rachel Maddo, Gavin Newsom and Mark Cuban that you won't find anywhere else. Listen wherever you get your podcasts, watch on YouTube or subscribe on Apple Podcasts for add free episodes. Welcome back to Morning Joe. That's a beautiful live shot of the United States Capitol at 652 in the morning. There, later this morning, House Democrats will mark five years today. Since the Capitol insurrection on January 6, 2021, by reconvening the select committee that investigated that attack. House Minor Leader Hakim Jeffrey says today's hearing will examine ongoing threats to free and fair elections posed, he says, by the current Trump administration. Joining us now, former lieutenant governor of Georgia, Jeff Duncan, he is scheduled to testify in today's hearing as a Republican he broke with Trump after the 2020 election. Coming up, vocal critic amid Trump's pressure to overturn the election results in his state. Duncan officially switched his affiliation to the Democratic Party last year and now is running for the governor of Georgia. Mr. Duncan, good to have you with us this morning. Want to talk about your campaign and what you look forward to, but let's talk about this anniversary, a somber one five years since the attack on the Capitol January 6, 2021. Remind our viewers because so much has been clouded and whitewash and attempted to be rewritten in these five years since that terrible day about where you were and the pressure you were feeling from the Trump administration to flip results ahead of that election. Yeah, we were on the front lines of Donald Trump's attempts to not validate an election, which is what he continues to try to explain his egregious actions as validating. It was an organized unlawful attempt through multiple acts to try to up and democracy. And you know, look, he was putting pressure on us to try to call a special session for no reason other than to just continue to sow seeds of doubt and to create chaos. And that was the only game plan was to create chaos and plan enough seeds for doubt on social media and interviews and phone calls. He was very granular as you continue to hear some of these conversations play out, you know, last week the New York Times released some audio where he put pressure on the Speaker of the House. I was the Lieutenant Governor and the President of the Senate and Speaker of the House is over on the House side where he talked about the pressure that he's putting on him and he's even talked so much about the person. One of the people we're running against in our election for governors, Bert Jones, he said he was one of his. Yeah, this was a very granular attempt by Donald Trump and the magna supporters to upend democracy in Georgia. To your everlasting credit along with the governor there and to Brad Rathensberger, the Attorney General of the State of Georgia, you all as Republicans who supported Donald Trump at the time said no, you did not win this state and we're not going to find those nearly 12,000 votes you need to win the state. Can you talk a little Lieutenant Governor about what it's been like in these five years since because so many people in your state, so many elected leaders did circle the wagons around Donald Trump and support his false claims that the election were stolen. What has it been like for you to continue to say no, they weren't and I oppose Donald Trump? Yeah, it's been difficult. I mean, there's no way to hide it. It's certainly been difficult for me and my family over the last five years. I mean, in the immediate aftermath of the election results and Donald Trump's lies, we had armed guards around our house, we had death threats coming in, we had our kids getting picked on at school, folks stop waving at us in the neighborhood. This continues year after year after year but I continue to be asked why am I doing this and it's because I'm guided by our family motto of doing the right thing will never be the wrong thing and this is the right thing to do. To that point, the right thing to do for me in that moment was to stand up against Donald Trump and to speak at the DNC and to campaign for Kamala Harris around the country and to now be a Democrat. It's the right thing to do because being a Republican right now only means one thing you have to just bow down to Donald Trump and accept whatever bad idea he has in that moment time, whatever attacks against democracy he wants to think of that morning. You've got a rubber stampet and I'm not willing to do that and I see millions of other Republicans starting to wake up and see the other side. Lieutenant Governor, I want to ask about your run for governor and switching parties in just a second but obviously as Willie says a lot of other Republicans broke with Donald Trump after January the 6th. There won't be many of them there who are supporting your efforts today. What is it about remembering that election and remembering how Donald Trump handled that election that is important for America today? Why does America need to keep its eye on what the president still says? He still said on the plan up for Mara Laga that he won 2020. I think that's the point that some folks ask me Jeff why do you continue to talk about the post election issues in January 6th? And it's because Donald Trump continues to talk about a mega continues to talk about it in a way that's trying to whitewash history. The reality is it was an egregious attempt to overthrow a legal election and to use sort of democracy. I'm on this journey to put the facts out there to continue to tell the truth so that something like this doesn't happen again. I think we have to understand most Americans don't realize how close we came to the edge of breaking democracy. If just a handful of state legislators like myself would have just turned around and said you know what actually I changed my mind. I've seen enough proof here there's some fraud happening just to make political points with Donald Trump. We would have a totally different landscape and would be referred to as one of these third world countries that we're talking about in other parts of the world that have erroneous elections. You've been a lifelong Republican. You now have to go out and persuade Georgian Democrats to vote for you as their gubernatorial candidate. You understand that some of them may be suspicious. Why is this guy who's always been a Republican? Now they want Democrats, some progressive Democrats you'll need to have them vote for you as well. How hard a cell is it going to be? You know some of my skeptics out in the campaign trail ask Jeff have you lost your mind and the answer is no I found my heart. I really truly wake up every day as a proud Democrat with a better tool kit to serve the needs of Georgians to meet people where they're at. I don't have to make excuses when I drive by that hospital and see folks scared to go in because they don't have health insurance. I don't have to drive by that school any longer and blame the teachers instead of the government systems that support those schools. I don't have to make excuses. I don't have to lie for Donald Trump. I'll be expected to lie for Donald Trump. I wake up with a whole new batch of ideas and look my job in this campaign is to meet Georgians where they're at. I'm focused on three things. I think most Georgians including Republicans are worried about three things, the affordability crisis, the health care crisis and the Donald Trump crisis. All of this stuff going on in Venezuela and Greenland and all this stuff that Donald Trump's creating is not solving a single person's problems at standing at the grocery line that can't afford all those groceries. That person has just graduated from college or that middle class family that can't afford rent. None of that's being solved or somebody waking up today without health insurance. Donald Trump's not solving America's problems. He's just continuing to sow chaos around the world. It's a Ponzi scheme. That's what Donald Trump's running is a Ponzi scheme that's every day got to get 1% shinier, 1% more bombastic so that you forget about all the egregious promises he made the day before. All right former Lieutenant Governor and current Democratic Goominatorial candidate for Georgia Jeff Dunn can thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. You have to check out. Loma Loppuminen ja pakkaaminen voi tuntua ikävältä. 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