“We Found A UFO At The Bottom Of The Baltic Sea!” -Treasure Hunter Dennis Asberg

There we see a wreck, and there we see something there. And then this thing popping up on the screen. My next guest is a world-famous treasure hunter who heard that right. His name is Dennis Asberg, and this Swedish sensation is a real life superhero out of a different era. I'm a curious guy. I'm always being interesting, fine things that nobody else have found. But on June 19th, 2011, his life's mission would change forever, from unearthing human treasure to unraveling the nature of reality itself. That's when he came upon what you might call an underwater UFO, or what's now known as a USO, an unidentified submersible object in the very remote Baltic Sea. It's something that makes our instruments go wild sometimes. It's on the ocean floor right now. So me, my crew, and a Marcan deal from, yes, theory, want to go see it. Sitting 90 meters below the surface, 60 meters wide. This is one of the weirdest objects ever detected by humans in the ocean, period. Yes, round and down we have these corridors. You have angles, 90 degrees angles. When you say corridors, like. Yeah, you have a corridor and you have walls, flat walls. Wow. Dennis has now confirmed that it is not attached to the sea bed floor, so it's not a natural geological formation. I haven't ever seen anything like that before, not my colleague, either. Electromagnetic anomalies are rampant around it. It breaks down GPS, subsea rovers, drones. And down when we have used the arrow V, the arrow V stops working. Really? Yep. We watch GPS. We're close to the object. To the object? Oh my God. We have video of smoke coming out of the water above the object as if it's fuming or emitting gas. And then you see like it's from this hole, this milk is going? Uh-huh. I know. Like it was moving. Something is moving. Yes, breathing. Breathing. Yeah, almost like a biological organism or something. But it doesn't stop there. It was literally struck by lightning. An occurrence often considered a high water mark for its unlikeliness. We also have video of nato ships encircling this object and tracking Dennis's ocean X crew in the middle of the Baltic Sea. We had a meeting at the headquarter in Stockholm. I said to one of the people there, "Have you been there? Have you died on it?" And he just looked at me, "No, no, no, no, we have not been there. But you haven't filming you. I have filmed you, so I know you have been there." Nothing, don't say anything. You'll get to see the full extent of what we found at the end of this video. Whether this is an ancient sacred temple, a crashed unidentified flying object, or an unidentified submersible object, whatever this thing is, it's definitively weird. And like the object under the mesa at Skinwalker Ranch, it seems to have a life of its own. So without further ado, sit back, relax, and prepare to take a deep dive into the abyss. With this week's amazing Swedish Alchemist, Dennis Asperg. So we're 60 kilometers out at sea, kind of the epicenter between Finland and Sweden. We're right above the spot, right above the Baltic Sea anomaly. And it just feels like we're in the middle of the ocean to be honest. It doesn't feel any different than anywhere else. One of our videographers fill up, unfortunately, threw up. I think I'm the only person who hasn't taken the sea sickness medication, which is probably pretty stupid. Now we're sending the ROB down, the remote, operated vehicle. And we can see what it sees, although visibility will be low, so you can only see maybe max, maybe a foot in front of it. And then we're also going to be doing some sonar scanning and try to get a better understanding of the 3D structure that we're looking at with the Baltic Sea anomalies. And how deep is the object? 90 meters. 90 meters, yeah. It's a very unconventional career that you have. When did you start to get into treasure hunting and exploring all of these unknown things in the ocean? Exploring and having been interesting in history and all that thing have been sensational as a kid. Something I grew up with made me parents because they were also interesting in that area to find out things and search for things that nobody else have found. So it's a natural thing. I have grown up in a family that works, not works, but have an interest in that field. Is your father an explorer? No, it was a diver, but you have a other job also, but it was a diver also. Okay, yeah. And did you grow up, you know, reading about explorers? Yeah, that was the, yeah, yeah. Of course, reading a history books, of course, and fiction also, and go into these things with the treasures and shipwrecks that have disappeared with interesting cargo. So that have been interesting for me. And, you know, have always been the interest for me. What was the first shipwreck you went looking for? When I really go into commercial diving and in that area, was for, I mean, it must be 15, 20, 20 years ago. And it was together with Peter Limberry, my friend, and we did exploration in Baltic Sea. And we found wrecks with liquor, cognac, wine, and different type of things. Boost ships. That's the money. That's, uh, the booze are still valuable. Yeah, of course, of course. And he's still drinkable and, yeah, some bottles are still drinkable. We found also one of the oldest wine in the world, from 1600, drinkable. Oh, my God. And cognac, honest way to this Russian saw, drinkable. And we have tried it also. Peter and I was very strong. Unbelievable. Yeah. What's, uh, some of the more interesting shipwrecks that you found or maybe one in particular that you remember that has a story attached to it? Except the Baltic sea anomaly. We're building up to that. Well, it's, it's many, but I must say, but one very interesting, uh, wreck we found was 2015. You found the Russian saws summary in some. Wow. Yeah, building US 1904. Oh, my God. And, uh, the Russians saw our boat and used it in the war against Japan. Uh-huh. And, uh, it was out on, uh, on a mission in, in the Swedish water. Should not be in the Swedish water. Uh-huh. It was. Uh-huh. And, uh, was a collision between a Swedish, uh, cargo ship and this submarine. So the periscope went off and 18 months down the bottom. How do you, what sensors do you use to locate an object? Uh, it's where you see, it says size can zone our, it's, uh, it's a zone that looks down to the, to the image you get. Okay. All of it. So, and then we use ROV and of course we have dive on it also. What's ROV? A remote operating robot, you know, under water. A little sub-cedure. Yeah, exactly. Okay. So that we have used, uh, uh, after that we did dives on it also to really identify it and see if it was that submarine we have before it was. So interesting. And so when you find these shipwrecks, you know, uh, uh, with Konyak and wine and that sort of thing, is this your business? Do you then go out and sell that? Oh, I wish, I wish, I wish, you know, do you have financial? No, we have, we have, as you know, we have the situation here as we have in other countries, so in the whole world with the pandemic and the virus and also the, the, the war and lots of things are going on. So I have not been easy. Uh, so we tried to sell this wine and Konyak and things on the market and the interest was zero. No, nobody was interesting. No way. No. That's why you said you drink it. Yeah, I mean, nobody would buy it. Nobody would buy it. At home now instead. No. No, no. So it has been very difficult because we have spent lots of time and money on this project because we believe this is can, this is can finance or other projects. Yeah. But the interest has been weak, very weak when it's come to that. Interesting. Yeah. Are you ever able to sell or make a business out of you know? some of the stuff you find or is it mostly just for passion or for mystery? No, I mean in that case when I was talking about the bottles of champagne and cognac and wine and things like that, of course we have it and hopefully we're going to sell it in the future. But I won't have lots of money for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but that is something I don't think about so much now. I should invite myself over for a drink. You can get the drink. Tell us about the Baltic Sea. The Baltic Sea Anomaly, yeah. What is it? Wow, good question. The Baltic Sea Anomaly, okay, the begins like this. We were out on a mission this time to find a special rack with champagne on it. We were out for almost a week and then we have problems with the boat. It's beginning to leak and we're almost sunk with the boat. So it's very scary, but we managed to come to Harbor in Finland to repair the boat and we have been out for one week then and then we decide to go out to a new area and search there with the side scan zone. Let's see if we find this special rack. We were out and we're searching a new area. We were quite tired, I must say, after one week and then we had all the problems with the boat, the leaking, so on. So we were tired and disappointed we have not found the rack yet. But now we're going to search in a new area and hopefully we're going to find it. It was a night time, I think it's one or two at night. Me and Peter and our friend, Flores, we are sitting in front of the screen. We have the side scan zone, are in the waters and there we see a rack and there we see something there and then this thing popping up on the screen, this huge thing. I mean, we're talking about 60 meters in diameter and it's round and you have this track at the bottom. So I remember Peter in laughing and "Oh Dennis, you know English, UFO and I was what?" Then we began really to look at it and it was so odd and nobody of us have seen anything like that before, anything like that. And round pot holes you can see, of course, mines and things from the Second World War, but in this case we're talking about the big thing, 60 meters in diameter. So it's 3,000 square meters, round thing in the middle of the ocean. 3,000 square meters. Yeah, so huge. That's huge. Wow, yeah. And nobody had ever seen anything like it and it was round, it was circular. Yes, round and then we have these corridors, you have angles, 90 degrees angles and so on. So that looked like an artificial structure. Yeah, this looks like that. We went home down after we had done this with the side scan zone, and we go deeper into look at this data we have on it. And Peter and I were sitting in front of the computer and measuring, you know, "Okay, what is possible? Can it be that or construction from the military time or from the World War?" and so on. And it cannot be anything like that. And then we talked to friends in the same areas. We are in the US, Australia and Europe and showed them the pictures and they said, "No, we have never seen anything like that. What have we found? Where did you find this?" And no, no, no, we don't say anything about that. So then after one week or something, we don't get any help. I decided, or we decided to go out public with it because I want to have somebody can say what it is because we have experienced, of course, when it's come to exploring and shipwrecks and we have never seen anything but perhaps somebody have seen something like that. So I talked to a journalist here in Stockholm. Express Sun is a big newspaper and I went there with my laptop and showed them the data and they, you know, they were very surprised about that. And then I explained for them the purpose we were out there was researching for that and that wreck and then we found this instead. So they were, "Oh, wow." And then they're sending up me to the office and I talked to the manager or shifter. And then I understand that they are interesting to public. They go out with this information. And I said, "Okay, do it. Hopefully we find somebody that can help us with this because we don't know. We don't know." And we have friends that don't even know about it. So that was the start of something crazy. Yeah, it was because I was never in the spotlight before. And in one, I mean, the first week was in the Swedish news and the Scandinavian news and then after that week after it was international news. And my phone is ringing all the time, day and night, day and night. And I turned it off sometimes because I was tired. So I talk about the same thing like go over and over and over with all the journalists. And I say the same thing, I find something I don't know what it is. I don't know. But it's all it's strange. It's unique. We have never seen anything like that. As you know, on American Alchemy, we cover a lot of technology that goes beyond human limits. 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And I'm sure a lot of the people working with you at the time as well. So it's very, very strange and not only that this looks odd and strange, we have been out there a couple of times and every time we have been out there we have problems with our equipment. What just happened to the boat? You lost it? You lost it? You're very close to the object? Oh my god. Like what happened? The radar showing things that should not be or not there. So one time we are there and the radar is working properly. But then something popping up on the radar. And I remember Peter said to me that Dennis, look at the screen and I look at what? Okay. And then I go out and we are alone here. But should be something 150 meters from us. Nothing there. And then another position. Another position. How big are the objects showing up on the radar? You can't see how big it is on the radar. You see something is there. Yeah. And then when we have used the arrow V, the V start stops working. Really? Yep. And when we have dive on it, the camera stops working, the light stops working. So there must be some sort of electromagnetic? Probably. And the GPS function is not working properly either. Really? So there's maybe magnetic anomalies as well. Yeah. That's what I think. Every time we are there, even now in June, when we were out, we have the same problem. Equipment malfunction every time. Yes. And we have to go down in a fair day cage or something. Yeah. So that was very strange also that we have this Problems och vi var ut igen nu. Disjun, en. Med en annarship Stockholm. Universitet i Ownship med den. Ån equipen. Not mine equipment. Ja, det är perfekt. En match bättre equipen är att jag har. Sure. That's all things. Ja. But. Så vi var ute. Och när jag Remember I talked to the crew. En also Thomas the captain on board. En mancher för hem all the experience we have out there, with all the fun. The equipment, stop working and all the stuff, you know, GPS and so on. And then we're quite close and Thomas said to me, okay, let's start down. We begin with the multi beam. So we get the 3D image of the object. Yeah. Perfect weather. Good condition for everything. And then we go over the object. And Thomas said to me, Dennis, we have problems with the GPS function. And I look at him or joking with me, no, Dennis, we have problems with it. With the GPS. Do you use to have problems with it? Nope. What happened with the GPS? It's not working. Lost connection. Talk to me. Really? Yep. And then we go over it and go back and the same thing again. Wow. Yeah. So interferes with radio signals, changes, compasses. Yep. Messes with the sub-C drone and Rover, so there's some sort of electromagnetic thing going on down there. And you said you know what the color is now. What's the color? Stefan was one of the divers down there, 2012 and he brush off the sediment of it and it's dark, black, dark, grey, almost black. Interesting. So he touched it. Yeah, of course. And when he touched it. And he tried to take samples also. He didn't manage that either. Too hard. Too hard. Yeah. Interesting. And when he touched it, did he feel anything or notice anything? No, he didn't mention anything about that. But he said it's very old and he had never seen anything like that before. And then one thing I remember when he was coming up, he said to me that the temperature is usually at that, that is around four to five degrees Celsius. Now it's almost zero. That is not possible. Interesting. So almost zero degrees. Almost freezing. So it's alarming and it's a quick one? Yeah. So he must have been very cold. And then he goes to a hole like 20 centimeters and a meter. And when you're down there, you have the sediment and you get like milky. The water gets milky as you understand. Yeah, dusty. Yeah, dusty. And then you see like it's from this hole, this milky's going. Uh-huh. And not. And in? And not. Like it was. Something is moving. Yes, breathing. Yeah. It's like a biological organism or something. Yeah. Wow. But it was hard. Yeah. Too hard to get a sample. Yeah, you cannot. Perhaps if you drill a cord drilling or something. But there's a hole where the sand is coming in and out. Yeah. That's so fascinating. If all of these anomalies that you've experienced, do they increase when you get closer to the object? So I guess the way you would instantiate that it would be like if you had the ROV or if you had maybe a compass and you were getting closer, does it get more intense the closer you get? Yeah. The anomalies get more intense the closer. Yeah, we have problems with equipment, the closer we get. And it's and it's a clear rate of acceleration or increase of the enough. Yeah. Wow. So it really feels like it's a source of-- I forgot something. It's important. 2019 we were out and I know we were out in Finland and did the diving work there. And we had some friends there that we have done expeditions with before. And I remember their love, you know, Finnish guys. You know, Dennis, you're joking. You know, you don't believe in that. It's a stone you have found. They said to me, yeah, of course, perhaps it's a stone. But still, it's unique. You have not seen anything like, no, no, that's right, Dennis. So next time we're going out, can you come along then with your equipment? Uh-huh. Okay. Okay, he said. And then after a couple of months, I said to them that we're going to go out now on the mission, you want to come along with your equipment, your ROV and everything. So they come to Sweden and go out with the ship and Peter and I are just, you know, checking what they are doing in their equipment and coming to the spot and they go down with the ROV and he's sitting there and the first thing, when he's coming down there is, okay, this is, this is strange. This must be man-made. And I just, what did I hear and I look at Peter and he said, yeah. So even the skeptics, when you bring them to see the first hand, they understand directly it was something for sure that we have found some, that is old and, yeah. And you must be familiar given that you have an interest in UFOs with the fact that you have electromagnetic anomalies occurring in many UFO sightings and cases, even close encounters of the third kind, you see the main character with this, you know, big sort of almost like sunburn because they're basically experienced as sort of, like basically a redshift of, you know, electromagnetic light and, you know, Travis Walton is another good example where he's in Arizona with his friends, he gets out of the truck, he touches the UFO and he gets almost kind of zapped because of the electromagnetic activity. There's geomagnetic anomalies where a lot of UFOs show up so places like skin walker ranch or mount sungun mori in Japan next to the Fukushima prefecture, they're nuclear civilian grid, you always have these geomagnetic anomalies, nestled in, you have, you know, magnetic anomalies as well. Yeah. So that is a common theme in UFOs. Yeah. I remember where he said also, he was down with the arrow V, this Finnish guy and he said, it looks like a power line, it's something very, something like a power line, we don't have any power lines there. Nothing. It's like a power line. No, but, you know, they're with the instrument they're using on the arrow V, it was something that is putting out energy of some kind. Wow. It looks very strange, it might be cloud of methane, that it's a methane sieve from the bottom, I don't know how close we can go, but we have seen this growing now for a while. It's lots of things, and even weather phenomena, thunder, thunder and lots of things, just on the spot. Really? Yeah. That's fascinating. There are lots of things when I'm talking to you, but lots of things have happened out there. Thunder on the spot. And like nowhere else. Yeah. Exactly. And like, does the lightning hit the water? Yeah. Really? Yeah. So it's like a conductor or something. It's true. It's true. Oh my god. We have filmed that also. You filmed that. Yeah. Oh, this is amazing. This is the most exciting thing ever. All the things together that, you know, you cannot let it go, you must. That's why I have fight for this for a so long time. I mean, if you just list the anomalies, you have biological material in a Dead Sea. You have right, you know, right angle corners. You have an object that's 180 meters, so it's very big. You have, it's hard. You see that it's detached from the sea floor. You have electromagnetic anomalies that it's causing. And you have thunder conducting hitting it. I think that's extremely, and then you have a team of people who have been diving for each for decades, all just having tons of data points, and they've never seen anything like that. So I think that's very worthy of investigation. And so some people might be wondering because it's, you described it as a round object, but it also had right angles, you know, and right angle corners and stuff. How does that work exactly? It's not a flat, you know, disk, as many perhaps things. It's quite rough surface around it. Okay. And then you have these corridors and angles. So and it's not round in the corners. It's rough. It's perhaps it's broken. Okay. Have been there for a while. So the circumference is 180 meters. Yes. look at from upside it's round but still it's there's some jagged right angles and stuff and right angles in a way where it's not just a little sliver or whatever it's like a longer right angles that apply artificial construction yes fascinating man yeah it is we're sure how you've seen all the remute remute viewers have found all the things about the Baltic Sea remote remote yeah when we were in Sweden I called Joseph with Lonnigal and Angela Ford and they helped us with this review so we should I do it we I don't have the reception right or do we don't have any connection I was gonna say I could I could easily call them well what do they say what did the remote viewers say that is constructive and it's some have said it made them bold really yeah it's a some kind of energy source really yeah for energy source for what I don't know so what's your move you were say this there are lots of it I can send you the link oh yeah but I was right yeah but the cool thing is also when the Finnish guy or colleague from Finland was here he mentioned okay this is man made it must be constructed and I and it looks like it's a high voltage thing and I just high voltage so that's like a something that put out high voltage hmm like a power who said that the Finnish guy wow and I have it on tape also that's amazing you have a little bit we have a little bit really yeah oh my god and the the meteor that happened at the day after we went home yeah yeah that's crazy what's the story there you know I did not see it but it was on the news that happened on earth yeah like one or two times per year a meteor you know actually with one or two times per year yeah and the day and so and so you went out here was here exactly all the way home a whole one on a whole the day after what year were you here oh this you did June okay yeah okay so it wasn't in use that's the big meteor over all on and over here wow perhaps they're going down and was it like pretty much in the center of the Baltic Sea whoa crazy right out and there was and there was no sonic boom or there was a sonic yeah it was there was a sonic boom yeah wow lots of it myself to it out crazy yeah for sure so some sort of energy you know there's a guy named Christopher Dylan yeah he thinks that the pyramid is an energy generator yeah that woulda yeah so I wonder perhaps it's a connection like I don't know yeah never don't let's be able to find out so I can't wait and so how do you get to the bottom of something like this like what do you what steps do you even take to figure out what this is yeah you know I'm a explorer and the treasure hunter I'm quite good at that when it's come to to find things and when it's come to this would find out what this is is you know that's why I have this your your log and people from the university that helps me and they haven't opened the doors for me and and I have one person that I must you know she's wonderful and that's Beatriz Villarell that the person that opened the doors for me before that I mean for 15 years I have tried to get attention people get interesting in this yeah and I have been at places and I talked about that and they say oh Danny see it's very interesting it's very interesting but you know I don't want to get involved in this you know the stamp you know you have four and things like that my company but it's interesting I follow you I follow you but nothing else and then I met Beatriz two years ago I think and because I have always been since 96 and of course when we found the Baltic Sea interesting you pay you a piece and and then of you know met Beatriz for the first time and we find each other there and we have the same interest and find out what's going on around because I'm already convinced 100 percent convinced so and I'm you know I'm a doer I do it I'm working for it and I don't give up and it's the same thing with Beatriz we we're working together now she opened the doors she had the keys so the scientist we are working with now are very excited and and have been out there now yes so we're gonna go out again because it's unique they have never seen anything like that either so wow that's great and these are guys with experience of underwater objects and ocean objects and that sort of thing they all say they've never seen anything like the exact and you made a video recently that went kind of viral on Twitter where you say you know I I've seen some really amazing things with the Baltic Sea normally you know we're gonna talk about this soon is there anything you can speak to about about that like what you found in this last trip because you just went out there right like it's so interesting that we must go out again with a scientist because I I trust them I trust them because I have no experience when it comes to that so if they're saying I'm done is this is this is interesting we have not seen anything like that we must go out again and take more measurements and you test that and that and that with 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amazing where it's not a geological formation we I don't know it looks sounds like it's not gonna be a little careful yeah but yeah it's I don't know it's so fascinating yeah and so what do you what's the next step after this it's more testing or yeah of course it's lots of things we must do it's of course to go out again and take core samples not from the object as I understand it because that's quite difficult so but if we succeed this time to get more data that are very interesting of course we must go out again and take core sample but that that equipment is quite expensive so core sample take from the object from the object yes this would be like drilling into it yeah and that that's not easy sure yeah and the cost lots of money so but I hope it's so interesting that we do a core drilling yeah did as anybody thought to stick their hand in the hole that's breathing in it believe me believe me yeah many and even I but you haven't done it no no we have not done it I mean it's a risk we don't know that's a risk for sure but as Bia Tristan I have talked about we have talked about that perhaps you're going to use the arrow V smaller arrow V to go in yeah we have this big hole yeah like two meters in the ammeter Yeah, I mean the Ruiz costs lots of money, but perhaps it's a worth to the ROV have like night vision Can it correct for it's must be dark down? No, you don't see anything really even if you have the you must have a Sonar on it. Okay, so you put the sonar on the yeah, I have a sonar on the RV So I see everything around and it's a side scan sonar. So you end up with the 2D No, no, it's not a side scan sonar side scan sonar is something you have between behind your boat or okay When you try to find anything then you have a blue you sonar on the Arovi okay, there you can see a front like a picture in the front in the front of you. Okay, there you have no Visibility there you can see anyway. Okay, it's like a radar. Okay, it's like radar interesting So you basically basically get the structural formation. Yeah, of course you can see small details Also, but you can't see optical right you don't see an image no the the the pants if you're lucky You can see perhaps a 30 or 50 centimeters in front of you. Okay, a little bit. Yeah. It's it's difficult. Yeah, that is fascinating Yeah, it is so interesting. Yeah, when you started to Talk to the press about this even back, you know years ago. Yeah Why do you think like military or aerospace or I don't know anybody Didn't want to check it out themselves like authorities. They did how do you know they were lurking around in the Waters when we were there really. Yeah, how do you know? I Feel that how do you know they were authorities were they Swedish? Neda is for French and German American British ships around us Really yep, and then also a Swedish Coast Corvette Go quite close to us suddenly we saw in the distance that This must be some kind of Navy ship heading directly on us Turn out to be a Navy ship and actually a Swedish one and it shouldn't be Lurking around in in in those waters They just stopped and were laying there and we were going in a search path and then they were in our way And we called up on the radio and said we have divers in the water. Please move and they did But still they were there. It's crazy. Yeah, and then we have airplanes. So how many how many did you film? 67 ships. Wow big ships Wow, yeah, interesting. Yeah, so you think they were there for you? It was not normal to see them all No, no, no, it's not normal. I don't know. I mean, but how many how many other dives have you done where you're looking for Konyak and wine Where you've seen six or seven ships from various different NATO countries? Not many I must say but when we have dive on the submarine We found 2015. Of course we have the the Navy and the Coast Guard was there and boarding us and you know want to investigate What we are doing and so on and I wasn't so that sounds like a similar thing because it's a Nash it's a government. It's it's of interest to the government in this case the Russian government And in this case it's interest to of interest to NATO and many governments probably. Yeah. Yeah, of course And then we were home. They got the call from the Swedish Let's say it's like FBI. Uh-huh. Yes, we don't and they want me there Directly come over here. We want to talk to you. So I did and It was about the submarine we have found and what people I am talking to and they want to know every detail Everything about it. The Russian people I'm talking about. I'll talk with them so on. So it's Yeah, but every time we were out being out in the Baltic sea except now. Yeah except now. This time nobody Interest then. Yeah. Why do you think that is? The ship we're using own body government. Swedish government Ah, so they get the data no matter what. I don't know probably Interesting maybe maybe somebody on board is working on their behalf. I hope not The Swedish FBI did they contact you about the Baltic sea anomaly too? No, no When it's come to the Baltic sea anomaly we had a meeting at the headquarter Military headquarter in Stockholm and I remember I said to One of the people there in this group Uh, I said you should know. I mean you have been out there and lurking around and laying there and watching us. So What do you know about the whole Have you been there? Have you died on it and he just looked at me no no no no we have not been there But you haven't filming you. I have filmed you. So I know you have been there Nothing you don't say anything. Whoa So they have been there and probably they've died there. Oh, they probably died down But they might also not know what's down there. They might know. No, no. Yeah, of course they had died Did you but do you think what they know what what it is? Do you think they've classified the object or classified it in terms of they know what they're looking at or I mean That's crazy if they have not done that. I mean, but but still you know the the crazy thing here is also it's not on internet It's on international water, but it's also on Finnish international economic zone. Mm-hmm. It's not on Swedish water finish economic zone So this little strange that the Swedish Military ship are there and also other ships, but you know, it's I don't know But they have been there and probably they died on it or use our v and investigate it themselves But when we were at the headquarter and talked to them they said that We know nothing about it. We have had no ships there and did you but you filmed it? He even filmed it you have it. It's when you went to the military headquarters Was it explicitly a meeting around the Baltic Sea and normally exactly and they called you in yeah So okay, they definitely had an interest at least. Of course they were interested. Yeah But then they acted like they knew nothing they had never gone out there and we show all the data all the information from them and for them and and uh yeah Is it a Russian is it a Russian drone I see his chip on it. Yeah Well, you're a long way from home my friend What's the greatest ontological shock that you've experienced around the Baltic Sea and normally? Oh shift is so many but the the I mean the first time we saw it the first time we saw it. Yeah, that was experience because we have never seen anything like that support. Yeah So we were very confused and of course, I mean curious about what it can be And then after that we have done our things that down there and the BFM have been down the diver The next thing for me what happened down there and what he had experienced with the temperature and all the angles and walls and uh Holds and things like that So when you see it yourself Both the sort of film Then you begin to understand this must be in soundway constructed Have any skeptics come to you and said I think it's a rock have any insight or all of them. And what do you say to them? We're absolutely right. I'm not sure The only thing I can say I have no experience when it's come to death I haven't ever seen anything like that before not have My colleague's either So nobody have seen Thing like 60 meter in diameter But that was the first thing we did we sound it over to the grounds And people that we know are working with the same things as we do Uh, and when they thought the pictures they of course they were curious and wonder what were how we find this found this Hmm as I mentioned that without the Baltic Sea Do you have a top theory as to what it is It can be something that is constructed on the spot And be um long time ago or perhaps before the ice age. I don't know And that's why I have never give up But it's come to this because I want to know Even if it's a rock But it's a very strange rock Yeah, I must say with all the angles and holes and it's a round object. It's also separated from the bottom It's separated. How do you know that it's separated? sub button profiling every dog. Yeah, so we can see the layers Hmm, wow. Yep amazing That's really incredible that it's definitely separated from the so it is an object. It's not a geologic - Oh, it looks, the data say that. - That's amazing. What's it called? - Some, some-- - Some button profiling. - Some bottom profiling. And what do you know how that tech works? - Yeah, it's like a radar, you go down to the ground and you see all the layers of the sediment and-- - So we know it's attached to the seabed, but it's not-- - It's not the port of a mountain or something. - Hmm, it's not a geological formation. Not part of the area. - It's not part of the data say that. - That's pretty amazing. So it's an object. That's why it's important, so important that we're doing this investigation. Come to you with a-- - Yes. - With different methods. Because it's, of course, interesting. - That's how it, at least, that's how it felt for me. I was having a hard time melting it. I had a hard time melting it. I was talking to my friend, Dennis. - Yeah. - I was sitting there. - I just spoke to your colleague that you mentioned, Beatrice VRAL, who is amazing and discovered all sorts of very cool things in her own right. She talked about the importance of having a hypothesis and having an idea of what you might be looking at so you can test against that hypothesis. - I mean, I've seen some astronomers suggesting that you should just look without any hypothesis and do like a classify things, like your classifying butterflies. I think you're not going to find anything. - Well, obviously. - Because you have no hypothesis, you don't target your experiment. - Yes. - And you're going to invest years into that and you might have a great classic, like great catalog of things, but I'm not interested in the catalog. - I don't know really what to think about that. It's something for sure. And if it is a UAP or a crashed UFO, it should be cool if you have found that, of course. But at the same time, with all the data we have now, it cannot be volcano, even if it can be volcano. But when I've talked to a scientist and I look at it now, it's not a volcano, no, no. It should not be like that, then. Is it a meteorite, an asteroid, or a meteorite, or something? No, it should not be there. Then you have this and this and this, okay? - We are like, why can't it be an asteroid or something? - Then you have a crater. - Right. - Yeah. - And no crater here. - It's standing up. - It's standing up as if it's an artificial structure on the sea on the bottom. - And how big is it again? - 60 meters and diameter. - 60 meters. - 60 meters. - Yes. - That's big. - It's very big. That's so interesting. - So, that's find out to still. - So your two top hypotheses are that it's either a UFO, maybe something we're not alone, maybe something from space, or you think maybe it's an artificial structure that was built before the younger driest period. Maybe when there was probably flooding, there was flooding. You know, meltwater Pulse 1B and 9600 BC. - Yeah. - Before that, you know, you had water levels were different. - Yeah. - And maybe this was on land and it was built at that time. - Can be like that, yeah. - So, something is built there. - Either one is very interesting. It's fascinating. - Yeah, yes. - And you're reasonably confident that they're, it's detached, the object is not part of the sea floor. - A big stone or something. - Yeah, now as we can see it, now the data we have from the last mission are where it looks like it's separated from the bottom on the data. But, you know, we're gonna go out again and do it one more time. That's how we must do it. - Did the diver that you mentioned before, who I think it was Stefan. - Stefan, Stefan Horgeborn, yeah. - He touched it. Did he say it felt like anything? - No, not really, he was surprised, it was dark on the earth. It was gray like gray when the sand. And then it took that away and it was dark, almost black, gray black. - Did he say it looks natural or artificial? - No, nothing about that. - He didn't say anything about that. - Interesting. Did he mention feeling anything being around it? Like, oh my God, this is-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He have never ever, and this is a, he have been diving for a long, long time. It's well known in Sweden when it's come to diving. - How many years has he been diving? - Sounds like he was a young guy. - Okay. - But anyway, he's-- - How old is he now? - Same age, 60. - Okay. - Well, it's me too. - So, and down to 40 years probably a bit in the next one. - Probably a little more about it. - More, yeah. - You know, he said to me that when he was up because he was so in his face, he was very confused or, you know, sitting in his face. And I was, of course, curious. What have you seen? And he said to me, "Dennis, I have diving a lot and I have never, ever seen anything like this." - Wow. - That was probably the most important dive I've ever done in my life. I've done maybe 6,000 dives in my life. I would dive for an expert to tell me what I've seen. - Wow. - Yeah. And then he explained for me about the whole, he explained about the temperature. And he was brushing off the sand, the sediment. It was dark under it. And he tried to take samples from it. It was too hard to take samples that lose samples on it instead. Like loose stones. - And where did those stones have you tested those? - Yeah, we had tested in Israel. - And are those stones that they come back normal? Or, they found minerals, of course. And nothing that really sticks out and basalt, volcanic stones, they're found. But at the same time when I've talked to the people, the scientists, they say, "You will never find any basalt in the Baltic Sea "because you don't have any volcano." But then they said that, probably, if you have found it, it's coming at the end of the ice age. It's melting period. It's coming from the Atlanta, Atlanta and B in the Baltic. But I don't know, I don't know. - Interesting. So it's almost like when you look at an ice core sample, and you can kind of see what carbon levels were in the sediment layer of the ice or something, this might be a record that it was an ancient structure that was built from a long time ago. The fact that there's even basalt there. Is that kind of what you're talking about? - That's a very interesting test we're gonna do. We're gonna do a core drilling, not the top deck, but a round object now. And even it's this track, you can see in the layers. - Ah, smart. - So that's important to see how long it has been there. - Have you brought a Geiger counter down or measured it? - No, what did that do? - This time we're gonna do. - You will. - It's amazing. This is so fascinating. What do you want this to be a contribution to humanity or what do you want for this? - The truth. - The truth, yeah. - That's the only thing. And even if it's a rock, a big rock, I want it to come out because I wanna do, like, check, I have done this now. I can go further with my other projects. - Are there any other rocks with corridors and right angles? - Not only that. As I mentioned, with corridors and holes and things, I've forgot one thing, very important. I have a triangle like this with a hole in it. A triangle with the whole, how big is a triangle? - Like 15 centimeters, 20 centimeters like that. - Wow. - With the hole in it. - Yeah, the hole. - Like a perfect round circle. Almost as if it was like laser cut or something. - Perfect on the object. - Any writing, I assume not. No inscription. - You know, it's as some ancient we have, we were lucky when we found this on a film. But, you know, it's a big object and visibility down there, as I said, is very, you know, it's pitch black and it's difficult to see things. - Wow. - But we saw that and probably we will find more next time we'll come back out. - That's so fascinating. Before the Baltic Sea anomaly, were you interested in UFOs at all? Did you have any interest in unidentified flying objects, space, aliens, anything like that? - Okay, let's go back in time, Dan. I have talked about this before and I can do it again because that was something that changed my life totally. Back in 1996, I live outside of Stockholm, not far from here. Very close to a military installation. And I was an entrepreneur, explorer entrepreneur. I had my businesses and doing lots of things. I was a daddy to two boys and I have a wife and a good life, perfect life. And the only thing when it's come to UAPs and UFOs that I saw, Star Wars, ETs and aliens, that was the only thing I, no, no interest in when it's come to you. I did not think about it, you know. I was busy in my world. So anyway, that thing that changed my life. My mind totally was 96, in the summer, in the early summer. A leg in my bed, in the apartment, not far from this military installation. I have a big window in front of me. I wake up 3.30 something in the morning, usually I sleep a long time. You know, I use the time for sleeping at that time, because I'm working a lot. But this morning I wake up of some reason. I still today don't understand really. I have fought about it, of course, but I wake up, lay in my bed for 10 minutes, and I decide on to go up a drink water in the kitchen. So I'm sitting in the bed, I have a big window in front of me, and outside of the window I have this military installation for what is called in Swedish town. So I'm sitting there in my bed and look out to the window and see something that should not be there. And it's take me a couple of seconds to really understand that I have something in front of me that should not be there. Should not be there. What is it? Yeah, good question. And then I'm getting frustrated. You know, when you see something that should not be there, I get to use, I begin to use my F words and try to get my wife's attention, because she's sleeping behind me. I want her to see that also, because it's something. So you're making a little scene. Yeah, of course. And then stand up and turn around and look at her to what, you know, and she looked at me scared, because I mean, that's not Dennis. I'm quite cool. And this in the early morning. So then I turn around and look again and went out to the window, and it's still there. It's still there. And then I begin to understand this is something very, very odd and strange I have in front of me. And then the thing happens to me. You see it like this. It's looked like a hot dog. And it's brown. It's yellow. And the sunlight is reflecting on it. And then it's going like this, and it's dark on it. And then I see it's round before I don't see it around. Then I see it round. And then after one second, one and a half second, it's, wow. So what shape is it around, it's round. But if you see it like this, you don't see it as round, but when it do like this, it's round. Interesting. So you just saw it, it looked like a flat plane because you were looking at it from the side. Like a hot dog or a cigar or something. Some sort of long line, which is a common people's tick-tax cigars. And then it turned and you saw that it was round. And then it popped up. And how long did you see it for? 14, 15 seconds. How far away from you standing in front of the window? One and a half kilometers. One to one and a half kilometers. Wow. So it must have been a pretty big object. It was a big. It was not, as I mentioned to many people, it's not what, it was not a bird shit on the window. Yeah. And not the bird or it's, it's was something very, very strange. It's amazing that you woke up at that time. Yeah. Was it around the military installation? Was it over the military? Interesting. Yeah. And did the military installation house any sort of nuclear stuff? I guess there's no nuclear in Sweden or there's there's nuclear and there's fun craft and stuff. No, no, no. Plutonium and lots of other things, the nuclear things they work with there. Because I did my investigation because I was, you know, wow. I have seen something. Now I must figure out what it is. I tried, I must try to find out if I can find any information regarding this about that I have seen, if anybody else have seen it, so local papers at that time, 96, were altavista, you know, and modem, you put your phone in there, and then you call it, no broadband at that time. Internet service provider, yeah. So was a local paper, military sites and also my friend in the military, I talked to nobody, nobody have seen it or heard anything about it. So then I contacted the UFOS value, UFO Sweden. You haven't talked to one of these things, guys, I think, class one, yeah, yeah, so this is like the official, yeah, investigation, civilian investigation, yeah, UFO, so I mailed them, but they did not get any receive, okay, anything back. So that was a shock for me and that was something that changed my belief totally, totally. Before that, nothing at all. So I remember when I saw this thing, I got my, I got her attention, but she did not come up and saw it. Anyway, this flowing over my house and then I run over the bed over her to come to the other side and I standing there like, what, where is it? Where is it? And I see, don't see anything and then she's coming and then it's, then it's what's wrong. What's wrong? I don't know. I have seen something and then after that my two kids are coming, Papa, Papa, what's wrong? And I'm, this morning, we were sitting in it in breakfast and I tried to, in my best way to explain for them what I have seen. And later that day we go down to this area, it's a protected area, some military installations that we cannot go in, but anyway, I go there because I have reference. I saw that there was one part of it and I was, how big is it? And then I began to, okay, must be like 600, 700 meters in diameter. So we're talking about the big thing. So, yeah, that's what happened to me in 96. That's amazing. And you looked into it and you realized that the military installation, that site does like plutonium enrichment. That seems to be a huge pattern as I'm sure you're aware of. After a while, I began to understand that's the reason perhaps they are there. Yeah. Other plutonium enrichment sites in the US, Savannah River site, South Carolina or Hanford Washington, there are a lot of UFO sightings over both. In fact, one of the earliest sightings was over Hanford plutonium site in 1945, this pilot named Bud Klem. So it's a very common thing. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, that was something that began, I mean, there was, that was the time that I began to think about, okay, we are not alone, something are here. So you started to get interested in this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very interesting. Did you start to read about the topic? Of course. Yeah. I tried to find out if somebody else have found seen anything like that. Yeah. Look at pictures and because we did not have YouTube and things at that time in 96. But then I saw pictures and now nothing like that and nothing like that and nothing like that. I really tried my best to find out if somebody have taken picture of it or something. Fascinating. I saw two UFOs in 2020 and then I just became obsessed and I had it like kind of a prestigious job and finance or whatever and I was like, I, all I can spend time on is this. Yeah. And so I, yeah. Is your life totally done? Definitely changed my life. Yeah, I experienced, as you know, I have experienced lots of other people. I've talked to that have experienced, I have changed my life totally and not only very large, only their family's life but because you get, you be another person. Yeah. Yeah. It opens you up spiritually too and I think, I think I was nihilistic before and I didn't believe in higher things, you know. Me too. I was like totally focused on my, you know, myself and my family and my career, my business and everything that I'm doing and that, that happened, that really changed me. Yeah. That's beautiful. Yeah. The meaning of life we have to think about who are we, who are them, who are they here and so on and so on, you know. That's why it's so important for me and I know for you and lots of other people too. Yes. You cannot just leave your background or you just walk around and you cannot do that because you have it your whole life in you. Yes. Maybe the way that the beings are speaking us is through the discoveries, you know. It's like their language. Yeah. Perhaps they don't want to just give it to them, they want us to find it. I think that's right. That's every story is like that, you know, king Arthur, you know, anything. It's always, you have to search. [MUSIC] >> What do you say to the people who say, well, Dennis was already interested in UFOs. And he's just biased because he already had this in his mind when he saw this object. >> Yeah, as I mentioned, 96, that changed my life. And I am an explorer, I have been an explorer since I was a kid, really. I'm a curious guy, I've always been interested in fine things that nobody else have found. And of course, make money on it. So I can pay my bills and do new expeditions and things like that. So, and then we found this thing and they can believe what they, I mean, it's my, it's my, it's my life, I've always been like that. And yes, sorry, if they feel like that, but this is my reality. This is something I have gone through and I've found something for sure that is very interesting. And I'm open with it. Everything I do, I'm open with it. It's the same thing with shipwrecks, I'm doing that because I know lots of people as I was. And when I was a kid, I was curious. I look at TV and things and books and I know lots of people around the world are very curious about treasures. You know, I'm a treasure hunter and then I found this thing and the same thing that I'm open with it. And then I have seen something, 96, that convinced me. So, I'm open, I've always been like that. Say you take a core sample, you bring a Geiger counter, you observe much more the next time, your next visit. And you actually get conclusive proof that this is an anomalous object not from Earth. What next? Talk about it, show the whole world, about the truth, about it. That's how I work. And that's how we together be a treason I work. We want to be open with everything, even if it's a stone or a comet, whatever it is, I must be open with it. Are you familiar with the history in Scandinavia of specifically waterborne UFOs or UFOs that hit the water specifically the Ghost Rocket anomalies? In the 40s, for example, never landed on land or crashed on land. They always hit the water and land something. Yeah, you know, since I was out to the information, 96, then I found it 2011, but 96. No, I was not out with the information, but since 2011, I have received, I mean, so much maze from people around the world and even here in Sweden. They're talking about, they have seen cigars, they have, you know, crashed in the water in forest and things like that. And I want to talk to me and, you know, lots of people have contacted me. And I wish I could clone myself and, you know, do it so many people. Yes. So, you know who Matthew Brown is? Yeah. So he's this recent whistleblower, you know, UAP whistleblower, recent UFO whistleblower in the US, and he encountered this immaculate constellation document within the government, and it talks about transmedium objects, UFOs going in and out of the water. But he also, he talks about in his interview with Jeremy Corbell and George NAP, the idea that some of these UFOs are made to purpose. So they're built in order to serve specific functionalities. Sometimes these might be, you know, made to purpose. So, you know, if they're only making it for a specific use case scenario, they'll design it to excel in that mission. And this is getting into very speculative territory, but there's a UFO whistleblower on 4chan, you know, this one of these kind of dark internet forums or whatever. And he said he was sick and, you know, he didn't have much time left and it was time for him to reveal the truth. And he says that, basically, these UFOs are built to spec. They're made for specific purposes and they're on the ocean floor. So I wonder if this was an object with all these, you know, kind of intricate corridors and holes and 90 degree corners that was maybe built to spec for some specific purpose. And then maybe it served its purpose and it was disposed of or, you know, who knows? Who knows? I don't know, but that will hopefully we will find out when it's come to this. And since 2011 I received lots of emails and even letters on paper that the story about things that have crashed down to the water and even former officers in the Navy that have contacted me. That are very scared to go out with it, but they want to tell me the story about they have seen things like that. That's amazing. The water. Yeah, there's even in the US there's a guy named John Pina Craven, he wrote a book called the Silent War. And they talk about all sorts of covert operations in the US and finding things on the seafloor. And they're rumors that the the Glomore Explorer for Hughes Corporation was maybe, you know, subsea to find sort of objects like this. So I think there's a long history of crash retrievals, you know, in the ocean. Yeah. And it's fascinating. And then I don't know if you want to like touch on the like the by call by call lake. Do you know the story of like Soviet divers going down to like look for something and they get patric like they meet these toll tolls, you know, maybe it's interesting. Where was that? In 82. 82. Yeah, so it's a big story in the UFO lore of just like these soldiers that got patrophied. In the lake or there's also there's another story somewhere in Hawaii. This guy David noble white crow because he's a Indian guy. Yeah, he was a UFO witness, but then he was stationed somewhere with this guy who apparently dove on an object in Hawaii. And the idea was maybe it was related to the starfish prime test series. So the martial islands, you know, atomic tests or whatever where UFO material supposedly came out of the sky. You know, I interviewed a guy here old mom grand who basically on his deathbed said that he held in his hands UFO material from that came out of the plume of a blast from operation blue guild triple prime. And it was given to him by Jeff Bezos, his maternal grandfather, Lawrence Preston guy set sandia national labs in Curtlyn Air Force Base in New Mexico. Amazing. And so anyway, so this guy David noble white crow stationed with this other guy, he said that he dove down and saw some sort of object, but that it was almost alive. And it was I think Dolan might talk about this as well, Richard Dolan. So the object itself was like breathing and he didn't know why he was this kind of. You know, and intelligence circles off and they say go find a thing and you don't know what you're looking for. And so he apparently looked at the object when he was down there and it really shocked him. He became it was ontologically completely shocking. And he was like, what am I seeing? And it was because it looked organic and it was like breathing. So and then I think about the whole with the same. Yeah, but I think something very interesting because when we did samples there from take from not from the object, but from that laying on the object, it was organic burned. Yeah, well, so like, but you know, I'm not the specialist in the area, but it was it was that. So it was like charred like no, something of high temperature, very high temperature and it's like basalt. And down when it's cooling down, the layer is on it when you're scrapping it to take the test, what's biologic? How do you know the science? I mean, it was biological. Yeah, the tested to contain DNA and stuff. No, that I don't know. Okay, but it was biologic. When you say biological plant or animal. Can't be. I don't know. Some sort of tissue or something. I don't know. No, nothing. It's dead sea, dead sea. So no, but this had biological material. Yeah. So normally you would never find biological material in this area. No, no, no. Deficience. That's fascinating. Yeah, not out there in the middle of the Baltic Sea. But nothing we can say that's more descriptive than biological material or not a specific animal or specific object. Wow. So, but hopefully this time when we go out, we're going to take more samples, cord drilling as a mansion for you. But we're going to take, hopefully we can take something from the object. But if not, we take new samples from different spots around it and even on it. And you are investing. Jag är en steg, eller en särskilt, men du kan ju inte ha en steg. Det är en fantastisk, men jag är väldigt glömt att se vad du kan. Jag tror att det är väldigt kul vad du är att göra. Och du tror att du tror att du vill att du ska se och att du ska se vad du kan göra. Ja, ja, du kan. 100%. Även om det är en stål eller en bulkain eller vad som det är, vi ska se. Jag inte ska ha en steg. Vi måste ha en anser. Ja, det är det. Det här har varit en tafftime, 15 års och grejhärs. Jag är jämfört med dem för att använda folk att få in till det. Och nu är vi ju att vi har att vara folk i en projekt. Och jag är så glädd för det. Men det har varit en tafftime med frätts och folk som inte skulle höja mig eller mig i familjen. Och så har det varit en taff också. - Jag är så. - Men hur mycket är det? Några specifiktare som du kan ta om. Det är inte så mycket, men du har med mig och mig och min kids. - Det är så mycket som det är så mycket. - Det är så mycket. - Det är så mycket att göra mig att stoppa. - Det är så mycket att säga. - Det är så mycket att stoppa på bort. - Nej, vi vet vad du kidsar. - Vad är tindergod? Nu är jag tindergod. Nu är jag tindergod. Nu är jag tindergod. Men det är en tindergod. Jag är en kindergod och en skuld. Vi vet vad du sann där och dottar där. - Jesus. - Det är väl kärn. - Det är väl kärn. - Du har en liten liten. - Ja, en liten liten liten. Men då är jag tindergod och en liten liten liten liten. - Det är väl kärn. - Ja. - Du har en liten liten liten liten. - Ja, det är väl kärn. - Du har en liten liten liten liten liten. - Det är väl kärn. - Ja, det är väl kärn, det är väl kärn. couldn't exist without one another. They're entangled. And so a classic story is Carl Jung, you know, the Swiss psychologist. He was a contemporary of Freud. He had a patient. And this patient was very kind of materialist, reductionist, just believed in the physical world, was very rational. And she had a dream that she was gifted this golden scarab beetle. And it was this very important thing in her dream. She comes in, she talks to Carl Jung, who's a psychologist, and she says that I don't know. I was given this scarab beetle. It was very strange, I don't know. But she's very skeptical. And as she's telling the story, a scarab beetle comes down the window sill and lands right in the office. And so he ends up giving it to her. And then she gets so emotional and starts crying. And it opens her up to a realm of all sorts of possibilities as to how time and space work. And then there's far more beyond, you know, just our material existence and the plane that we see. But the point is, if she hadn't noticed the dream and she wasn't looking out for the scarab beetle, then the dream itself wouldn't have been this self-fulfilling prophecy. And he wouldn't have gifted it to her. And the whole thing wouldn't have happened. And so there are two points connected in space and time. And so I think that could be what's happening with you right now, where-- And it's a lot of people, you know, I think that almost dirty little secret of UFO research is people always try to say, oh, I'm this very impartial observer. And I haven't been affected by this on a core personal level. And then you get a little deeper. You have drinks with the person. And they're like, OK, I saw something five years ago. And I know it's real, so now I'm looking for it. And I have a similar-- I've seen stuff. And it was right at the start of doing this show. And it really has impacted my own desire to, you know, substantiate what I saw more. And so I do believe what you just said. Yeah, I saw what I saw. And then I decided to be quiet about it. As I mentioned, I tried to see if I can find any information in local papers, in the military sites and so on. And I didn't find anything. And I decided to be totally quiet about it. All the people that I've known about it was my family, my closest friends. But down on a cruising with a ship, because they were curious about the Baltic Sea, and normally one young guy coming to me. Dennis, have you seen anything? I mean, the UFOs. And I just-- no, I should not talk about that. And then, OK, let's do it. I say it. That was the first time I mentioned it for a public or for a person. And then who knows if you would have been as persistent to spend almost 15 years looking for this object, if you hadn't had prior evidence in your own life, that there's something else out there. Maybe you would have overlooked it. Maybe you would have said, ah, probably a prosaic thing. Why would I spend so much time on this thing? So it's interesting. Even a scientist says reputable is Gary Nolan at Stanford, it's similar, where he kind of started to uncover experiences he had had in his childhood when he got into the subject professionally later in life. So I think it's impossible to completely separate the observer and the observed. And I think it's always honorable when anybody admits what's driving them is often a personal experience. There's no way to decouple those two things. All of interesting, interesting. Very interesting. Well, the journey. Let's find out what it is. Let's do it. OK, great. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you're a curious guy, and that's good. I'm a curious guy, and that's so important for me to continue. Still, I'm alive. I'm healthy, and I'm OK, but you never know. Someday, just get sick, and you don't have the energy to continue, but still, you're a great man. I want to do it. Yeah, continue to find the answer without the military or the governments. Yes, I agree. Yeah, that's important for me. Yeah, no, for humanity or the world. With future for my kids, grandkids and so on. Oh, I think you will. I think you have the right energy for it, so-- I will do my best. I want to go down there. 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