Wayne Federman On Making The Norm Macdonald Documentary & Why Norm Will Last Forever

Wayne Federman. Very funny standup comedian and just finished that norm doc that's out well coming out. I saw it Anyway, we'll talk to him about that and we'll do the news with Rudy right after this Bed online. Hey, it's Adam Corolla from the Adam Corolla show football season is here and bed online is where the action lives competitive odds spreads totals player props and Same game parlay's live bedding keeps you in it from the opening drive to the final whistle and When the clock runs out hundreds of slots table games and live dealers while they're waiting enjoy the freedom of Online gaming where the action moves with you and every moment is yours visit bed online today and Discover where the action never stops in this life you can't win when the world gets you down No escape to Pluto TV. 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They know Wayne as a guy from I don't know Kirby or enthusiasm lots of lots of acting roles as well Teach a stand-up as well Yes in a book teaches the history of stand-up in the history Told me before the show started that sign felled first Comedian billionaire in the book. It's in the book the first Mom's Mabel he wasn't a big guy. She's very close. She must have gotten really. Yeah, very wealthy Charlie Callis came close People well you can speak about this we'll get to norm When we were kids, we will watch and watch TV and guys Comedians had their stick and they had like they're you know they had their version of Gitter-Dun or you know your redneck or whatever And so they had guys and you'd see them on like Miller like commercials or you'd see him on Tony Orlando and Don you know variety Hour something and they do things like what's it? Well, I don't have to call me Johnny, but that's only money. Yeah, yeah that guy Wow and and it like the Miller light commercial was 60 seconds and so the guy'd come up and go Johnny to go Hey, you don't have to call me Johnny. You don't have to call me Bobby You don't have to and and I they go okay. That was the guy stick or Let's see avery Shriver and Shriver and Burns are like by the way burns was a comedy partner with George Garland Carlin, you know that yeah, I did not yeah, but that's why you're here, but they had a They had a thing and it was like it was a pattern, but it also was a rhythm. No, huh? Yeah, yeah, but then I start looking thinking back on it and go But if you book these guys as headliners for an hour And that's how much you do is a headliner you do an hour How was you don't have to call me Johnny? What that guy was that work that I don't know if that that gentleman I don't know the gentleman's name, but that was more like a little stick thing that got that caught on almost like that Dude that used to speak really fast on the FedEx commercial. Yes, yes, yes, so But for Burns and Shriver I assume they were mainly like Opening act for Dion Warwick. Oh, that would be my guess. So they do about 15 20 minutes in Reno and a place called Tahoe Tahoe. Have you played there? I've played everywhere as you know Yeah, when you have one of the best acts Congratulations on the norm doc. Thank you. Thank you. I Sent a text to Judd saying how great I thought it was. I know you're executive producer on it I don't know exactly how that works. I know Judd is now Becoming the keeper the archivist of all the comedians and all the materials and he's sort of right back where he started as a teenager 100% full circle full circle, right? Yeah, no, you got it and it was a great, you know, I mean There's certain things like I've made docs and it's like you're making a doc about the first black race Car driver ever going Indian. I have a disco. Look, we fucked this up. That's on us because there's so much good stuff It's so perfect that all you can do is fuck it up like all you can do is fuck up a normal Documentary because it's so much great. I'm close to It's great and I'll tell you the thing I watch the entire thing on my phone and it's two hours plus and so You can tell whether a doc is good or a song is good or anything any piece Of entertainment and eat any piece of entertainment is good by you watch it on your phone and It either holds your interests or doesn't because there's a thousand other things to watch and do and I'm watching it on my phone Sitting in front of an 80 inch TV. That's on pause, right, right? So the second this thing slows down or Kind of makes you go. Okay. I heard that one before then you pause that and turn the TV back You know the put sports center back on you know, so You can say anything you want it's it's kind of a thing That I want to tell Karen Bass and Gavin News. I'm like you can talk about fourth-largest economy You can tell about what everyone people are leaving if they leave That's a bad sign for your city if they come into your city. That's a good sign for your city and this doc Did not I watched it's over two hours. I watched The first hour just before I went to bed and I was like time to go to bed and then the next day Immediately got back watch the second plus hour and also did that thing when you're watching a really good piece of art Doc movie whatever you pause it. Why just mean a Entertainment Mm-hmm something that is meant to capture you whatever that is a human being right You if you stop it and go oh, there's only 14 minutes left and you go hmm. I wish there was like an hour left You know like I want more of this. That's that's that's a and you can do that with a good movie You can just stop in the middle of once upon a time in Hollywood and go oh there's an hour and 12 minutes left That's good. I do like to move me a lot So this is really good doc and it really well-crafted and everything and of course Judd you guys gonna do a great job on this But then it's norm because you know telling great norm stories and jokes and you can't go wrong Yeah, I mean obviously you knew him rather well So yeah, I will say this about norm. I don't know you know, I don't know if you really could know him well A lot of this like how well could you know Gilbert Godfrey how well could you know norm Andy Kaufman? Well, could you know Andy Kaufman how well can you know Steven right like I I don't I don't know like you can know Jay Leno well but I don't I don't claim I knew norm I'd seen norm a lot and I'd had some good times and great conversations with norm But I never claim to know him well because I don't know That he would let anyone know him well Can we talk about the title of the documentary? Yes, the tale right and that's exactly what you're we're getting at Right he went to college. He didn't go to college. He you know into two different colleges two different colleges these he was he was He was the Jim Morrison of comedy. I was thinking more of Dylan because Dylan was very much a fabulous about where it came from and well Yes Jim Morrison's dad was a rear admiral for the Navy and he said he died right now I guess in 1967 it wasn't cool to have a dad in the Gulf of Turkey Firing at Vietnamese people, but his dad was a rear admiral It's just a pretty high place to get of course in the Navy and a great name for a gay bar by the warf But he just said he's dead So that was it right and he's screaming a song kill your dad or something like that I think there's some it was a great like he's one to fuck his mom and kill his dad. Yeah, it was it was great But to be fair if you'd asked Admiral Morrison about his son. He'd be like he died He didn't want any of his bodies knowing in that freak show was his gotcha got son either. It was probably a two-way street We might have had that relationship too Real now Your dad was in the military was your dad purging? Yes general Admiral Pershing So, yeah, Norm had, you didn't know what was true and what wasn't true. - That's a little bit in our doc. - Oh yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that we try to, as opposed to, we're gonna do deep dive investigative reporter every year of his life, what actually happened. That's not what this is at all. This is his life through what he said, which was often very contradictory. - Yeah, and I think in a weird way, I guess he kind of liked it that way 'cause it helped him tell his jokes 'cause he could say I was doing this or I was doing that. And you know, when you're telling a joke, it helps, he actually sort of maybe thought he was doing, the line was blurry between reality and jokes and family and college and everything else. - But he still, at the heart of it, had a right material like a comedian. Like at the heart of it all, he still had to write those bits. It was, you know, the thing that's a little interesting about Norm is you do, he was sliding into a character a little bit, you know, when you would see him on a letter and go on. So this fella, you know, says. - Right, the inachronistic language. - Yes, yes, and kind of little Canadian stuff and a little stuff like he was kind of putting it on a little bit. The reality is he was, you know, really sophisticated, smart, bright guy. - But played dumb. - You know what he played, he played naive. - Right, right, right. - You know, he kind of said so, you know, he would inachronistic stuff. Yeah, he would play, yeah, he wouldn't play dumb. He'd play what, what, like kind of what's going on? Like why can't I say this? Or isn't this what's happening now? Like he'd go on the view and say the Clintons are killers, you know, and they'd be like, what? He'd be like, why? - Why, why was it like that? - I thought everyone knew this. - Right, so that's not really playing dumb. It's sort of, it's playing naive or innocent or something. - You think he did that when he did the roast? - Well, the roast was kind of interesting because he didn't want, I think in a weird way, Norm is a little bit of a gentleman in his own way, and I don't think it sat right to him to do what we do now in roast, and so he just took jokes from a joke book as Dad came or so he said, and just went out there and just sort of told Dixie Riddle cup jokes, you know, with Sagitt, I guess it was. - Yeah. - And Sagitt was always a super nice guy, so I think he probably didn't want to be me. - Right, and yeah, and in the room, it didn't kill, but then when it was cut down, the concept of it became almost legendary, in my opinion. I don't know how you felt, or you felt like you just like, I'm just gonna advocate and just do the simple as 50s. I don't study the genre as closely as you do, so and there's so much norm stuff out there that I will watch any time he would do a letterman appearance. I mean, it is very interesting who sticks and who doesn't stick. Like Norm and Gilbert went about the same time, and every time I pick up my phone, there's a norm clip on it. I don't see a Gilbert clip on it. It's not a slight to Gilbert, but I do believe like the aforementioned doors. I mean, Jim Morrison died in 1970 or something, '71. He's been gone for over 50 years. You can turn on your stereo, your car radio, you're gonna hear some doors. Like you will break on through. I mean, the stuff that was built to last will last, you know, the quality. I mean, it's that way with automotive, it's that way with architecture. I think it's that way with ideas. I think Norm had some really interesting ideas, and they will, the ideas will stick longer than the fads or the trends. - And I think also he didn't, yeah, I mean, the Clinton bit on the view, notwithstanding. I think a lot of his standup wasn't topical about what's going on right now is a bigger thing about cancer or AA, the anonymous part of AA, and how ridiculous that is, that can transcend. That's my guess, one of the reasons. - I look, we quote, you pick up your phone, you'll see quotes from the founding fathers, you know, and you'll go, if he said something stupid that didn't hold up, if he said his version of, quote, was his version of the Macarena or Mambo number five or something like, people got that stuff's gone. It's like, it's like, if you go to Pebble Beach and you go walk the lawn on the car show, you see cars from 1963 and you go, look at it, it's beautiful, it's beautiful, it's timeless, sculpture, beautiful, it's work art. All right, but there are other cars built in 1963. You know, there's a Ford Maverick, it's not out there. It looks dated, it looks like shit. Architectures that way, there's stuff that really holds. I don't think that jokes, comedians, or ideas are gonna be any different. The shit that was really just sort of, I can't believe I dole thing, you know, kind of jokes, and like they're here gone empty calories, but the people who had the ideas, like, you know, I think the people that had norm had ideas in his jokes, and you hear George Garland's that way, you hear him talking about stuff from 30 years ago and you go, goddamn, that's what's happening now. Like, you go, what's so spot on? Like, they're kind of, they say the comedians are sort of truth tellers, but they're more, they're more soothsayers. You know what I mean? Like, we're jumping in. I'm gonna look in the future and see what's going on. I will tell you what's happening. We'll be rich and poor people. - Oh yeah, rich man poor man. - I'm just hoping it will be a gap so you're bit. - Maybe eventually there'll be a little daylight like out here in California between, let's say, Jay-Z and Beyonce, and someone living downtown. Like, let's say, a little-- - Hypothetically. - Hypothetically. - It'd be nice. - That would be good. Just to help you're bit out a little bit. - So, I thought it was a great doc. - Oh, thank you, thank you. I mean, I'm just one part of the whole-- - Yeah, I get it. - Yeah, yeah. - But it was so good that I remember I said to someone, can I get this from my phone to my TV set and they go, I don't know, sometimes you can and sometimes you can't. That was enough for me to quit on it. I'm like, I was like, all right, I'm out. Just with that, I'm out. Just knowing I'm out. You'd have to rip the phone out of my hands right now and do it for me otherwise I'm out. And I watch the whole thing on my phone. - And then-- - By the way, I watch the Odyssey on my phone, so the same kind of thing. - Oh, that's a joke. - That's a comedy joke. - The, I watch the whole thing and then I thought to myself, well, I'm looking forward to when it comes out on Netflix in a few weeks and then I will watch it on the TV. Like I want to. - So you think you're gonna watch it again? - I definitely think that why should we listen to a song over and over again and not watch a really good movie or really good doc over and over again? Like you, you can watch the last dance about the Chicago Bulls and Michael Jackson Phil. I mean, Michael Jordan and Phil Jackson and all that kind of stuff. - It would be cool. - Yeah, I'd go Jackson, that's part of it. - Well, Phil Jackson, Scotty Pippin, you can watch that whole thing all the way through and then nine months later just go watch it again. It's just as good. - That was an incredible COVID-19 moment, right? - Yeah, but also like, why can we listen to Beatles songs 200,000 times but we can't watch a normed doc twice. You know, I love that you wanna watch it twice. - I think people should do that. Someone's just showing me a clip from a heat, the Al Pacino movie and I was like, I've seen that in a while and then I remember saying, I'm gonna watch that because why not? - I've been in a lot of time, yeah. So congrats on that. - Thank you, thank you, thank you. - Norm's great. - Was he sitting right here? - Norm has been in my radio studio a few times and Norm also came in here a few times as I-- - And Miss Jair? - As I recall, well, I don't know. You smell it and tell me. And you know, I never, Norm was a guy who people really appreciated and thought of as a genius, you know? But I also was like, I can have Norm in and we can spar. We can go together and I felt like I always feel like these guys, like one of Mike Tyson's sparring partners who could have got the best of Mike Tyson and training camp or something. Like if you said to that guy, Mike Tyson's the baddest man on plan he'd go, I think I could do few rounds with him. Like that's, I always felt that way. Norm, not in a competitive way, but I was like, I can hang with this guy. - As a car guy, I'm gonna call you that. - Mm-hmm. - The fact he didn't drive and lived in LA all these years, how does that land with you? - My greatest regret with Norm because Norm was always that guy. I see. He said, I said to him years ago, I go, look, Norm. Let's take the GoPro's, let's put them in the car. Let's camera. Let's mic up and let's do an internet series called Amcrol, teaches Norm a ton how to drive. It's going to be comedy. It's going to be all found comedy. It's going to be perfect and because he's Norm, we never, we never did it. Did he at all light to the idea that he was like, oh, you know, you know, but who knows who you were talking to, except which norm and whatever, you know, that's why I would never say we were close, we're just friendly because he could have won. Yeah, it's a good idea and that had no intention of ever, ever doing it. But five years later, I saw on Jay Leno's garage, it was Jay Leno teaches Gilbert God for how to drive. And I was like, I don't think they ripped me off, but I was like, this would have been better if we did a web series with me and Norm. Yeah. So, oh, that's interesting. So Gilbert never did know how to drive. None of the deceased great comedic minds knew how to drive. I mean, it's a very new, it's a New York thing to drive, but he wasn't a genius. Oh, my God. I want to be a genius to not know how to drive. No, I mean, say it was say it. No, I mean, I don't, I don't think we need to have like insane comic reverence for everyone who died before their time. Sagitt was a host, Sagitt was affable, Sagitt was the nicest guy in the world, but he wasn't on Norm's level comedically, which is fine. Nobody, I mean, I don't know how we have to do this. Now everyone is on Norm's level, Sagitt's on Norm's level, whatever, Sagitt was a great guy in the world who went too soon, but he was saying enough to drive. I love this scale. I love it. There has to, there is something, you feel like you have to have something a little clicked off for you not to even think about driving in live in LA. Yes, yes, but in that thing could also be part of the thing that makes you kind of a comedic genius. Right, right, right, right. Or you could, you know, collect these skins of runaways, you know, like, but some things off. Like, also, I do think there's a thing where if you don't drive, you can, it's sort of your version of, I got a bad back and no one will ever ask you to help them move, because it was just left alone. I got you. It's a forever excuse. Well, Norm didn't really want to leave his apartment. Evergreen. Did he ever want to leave, like, he really didn't like getting out, right? So it's, it's perfect. If you don't have a license, because you can never say, hey, we're having lunch at canters. Come on down at noon on Tuesday, he'd go, I, I got to have to lie, I got the car. I don't have any way to go drive. Like it was a, it's a bad back built in excuse. You can just get out of anything you want and or you can do whatever you want with the bad back. You want to do it. Right. But it's always a car. Especially when he was starting out in Canada, there was a thing we talked, because I talked to some people and what, again, this doc, as you know, I don't know, there's no talking heads. This is the first doc I've ever done, where there's no one interviewed on camera for the entire documentary. It's all found, all, what we call archive footage. So that was an audio book, I'm guessing a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But we were talking to those, you know, Canada, you got a drive to gigs, right? Like even, but even early on, he was so such a lightning, a light in all of that world that comedians were more than happy to drive them to yeah, Saskatchewan or whatever the name of those cities are that they would do this, you know, yuck, yuck outside. Right. And stuff. Yeah. Interesting, right? Because that's like your life. That's your money. Yeah. I've sort of found in life. Like I found this out when me and Kevin and Bean and Jimmy Kimmel and the morning show, Frank Murphy was the producer. And Frank was just cheap, like super cheap and everyone knew how cheap Frank was. And so like all five or six of us would go out to Bob's big boy after the show for breakfast. There's something. And then would come time to settle up. And people go like, who's paying for Frank? Frank's just sitting there. Frank's 10 years older and me and makes more money than I do. But it's like, all right. We got to take care of Frank. He's going to take care of Frank. All right. We're going to chip in extra $4 for Frank. And it's like, it's just was. It's the guy with the bad back. He gets left alone. It's the person that bitches and complaints will never pick you up from the airport and you wouldn't even buy. You'll just go. Don't even bother. Right. Don't have. Don Barris did not have a license. He didn't have a car for 20 years. And when we'd be done with like karaoke night at Kimmel's house up in the hills. I was like, all right. Who's driving Don home? Where's he? He's down under the sunset strip. It's like, all right. I'll drive him home. But it's like, no one ever went. He's 44. Get a fucking car. Like everyone's like, we're going to draw straws to see you have to take Don home. And people have a kind of a, it's a, it's a, it's a thing. It's like, it's kind of like losing a limb or something and then you see the guy a year later and he's doing everything with one hand and you just adapt and you just, you just become that. And so norm would just be the guy to drive. And so I bet other comedians are like, all right, who's taking norm home? Well, you know, I got to leave the opposite direction. All right, Steve, you go that, you take a norm home and no one ever stopped and go, he should fucking drive himself home. You go get a license. I said up to us. That's what, that's what I always thought. No one does it. They, they weirdly accept your shit. They just morph into this role and that's everyone's own board. It's like, Mr. T didn't fly, you know what I mean? This I didn't. Oh, you didn't watch the A team? Oh, he didn't like to fly. Wait, the character, the character, B.A. Burekis in the A team did not fly every single time. No one ever said, what the fuck's wrong with you getting the airplane? They just be like, Mr. T's like, you know, I don't fly a jump. And then at some point someone go, we got you some buttermilk and you go, give me that jump. You like, drink it down and then he pass out and then they put him on the plane. Put him on the plane. Yeah, but no one ever said, what the fuck's wrong with you? You think about people that just go, I don't fly or I don't drive. But John Mann just drove a bus. No one ever pulled them aside and went to fuck's wrong with you getting the fucking airplane you fucking retard. People just adapt to whatever you are. Right. Of course. And so Norman drive. I just never thought I'd just as someone I'm very self-reliant. I would just think like that's like a core element of me. I totally agree. I mean, especially in LA. But that's. I know. But again, I'm not a little neurotic. I am a little neurotic, but I'm, yeah, that, yeah, it's just a wild part of him. Yeah. He's in LA all those years. But I mean. And Canada. And Canada. A lot of idiosyncratic. In cursive. Right. Idiosyncratic guy. I think there is a famous actor also who doesn't drive. It's a thing like, it's a thing you can do, especially if you get to a certain station in life, like the tonight show will send a car, whatever the club will send a car, the whatever, whoever's flying you out of the car service. Working out stuff at the ice house, suddenly you have to get Kevin Pollock to drive you. You know, it's kind of, that's why he's on call and he has to do Peter fall when he picks you up. I don't know. How does it? Most all this stuff defies logic to sort of sound thinking. I know. I think in a weird way, that's the wonderliest beauty of Norman Donald. Like it sort of does defy logic a little bit. Yes. The old timey part of him, the, yes, there's an old timey part of him. Yeah. That was kind of interesting. But somebody told me that early on when he was developing his style, because you can see in those early clips, he's doing Letterman once when he was in college doing those, those things that he again, there's multiple stories, but that Archie Bunker was in influence on how to quietly deliver these lines. Yeah. What do you think of that? You know, he's an enigma, but he's very bright and he just created, he created a character, but the character was named Norman McDonald. It wasn't Larry the Cable Guy. Right. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. So he was his character, you know, and maybe Snoop Dogg is Snoop Dogg's character or something. You know, people, I think his real name is Calvin. Oh, that's right. Right. I mean, people create a sort of persona. He kind of lived his persona, and I don't know that, but I still think overall it was kind of a character that he honed in sort of, I don't know. landed on, there was a little naivete, there was a little aw-shocks, there was a little old-timey stuff like he'd go, he fired you? Oh, yeah, he fired me on a count of, I don't have a job, you know, like a old, it sound like an old farmer sometimes. Right, I think that's one of the reasons Letterman liked him so much, because Letterman's from that Midwest aw-shocks in the kind of world, most of the comics that went on those shows is like our New York Sharpies, you know, those guys, L-A, you know, Shiller Comics. That's my guess on why, I mean, obviously, numerous reasons, but I think he responded to that, like, oh, yeah, I mean, being consistently funny helps, you know. He's always killing on the show with probably a big part of it. Letterman had a little persona too, like for instance, like, I remember once I was watching or something and somebody was a guest on Letterman, and I don't know, he said some version of, like, Letterman was like, you know, you got a Ferrari or Rolls Royce or something and the guy's like, yeah, and it's like $200,000 car or something and Letterman was like, that's a little rich for my blood, you know, and it's like, you make 32 million a year, every year, every year, with not a lot overhead. So you could afford a 308 Ferrari if you needed one, probably get it used, Dave. Like part of the Aw Shucks Midwestern, that's a lot of money for a car kind of thing, that's Indiana 1976, Dave Letterman, that's right, that's not this David Letterman, you know. So maybe he was kind of living that old, old-timer persona letterman was himself, yeah, because he's not really doing that now, you know, he's just kind of doing what he's, his own thing. But he kind of left that guy behind a little bit. Yeah, I just, that's, again, he's just a theory of mine about why, I mean, he had him on like one of the last shows, or if not the last show, the Letterman ever did. Yeah. Right? So it's. Yeah, it was a very touching and emotional thing and I couldn't remember if it was the very last show or it was a sort of on the last week, you know, he's doing it. I had, always like playing me and Norm breaking down the coward of the county. We used to break down Kenny Rodger's songs that were, people think of Kenny Rodger's sort of good time gambling guy, but he, he, he, coward of the county and Ruby were two of the most depressing songs ever, so this is Norm and I from the radio show. What year would this be? I would go, I'm looking at Dawson over there. I'd say '07, '08, somewhere in there. I think '07. It could be '07. Let's see. Let's see. And coward of the county. I don't know, let me listen. He ever heard of this. Nope. And Norm didn't know we were going to do that, really. I don't think I did either. All right, who's known as a coward? I pick up stakes and move from a county that just knew me as yellow. I'm very curious because I have no idea why he's considered a coward. Oh, we're going to find out what happened. Well, yeah. Yeah. We don't know why. It was only ten years ago. And if any guy had died in the prison, they had died in the joint. Because he rose my brother's son. He was his nephew. Right. His uncle. Yeah. Right. His uncle. Yeah. Where they all in prison talking? Yeah. Why was he? Because he's just begun. This is dad talking from his prison bed, right? It's prison bed, man. Yeah. I saw his butt walking away. Right. But shouldn't you run away from trouble? I shouldn't. I shouldn't. He's basically telling him, don't make the mistakes I made. Don't be a tough guy. He'll end up in the joint. You don't have to be a fight to be a man. Right. But just true. Untal. And Tommy is love is Becky. Becky knew him as yellow too. He didn't have to prove he was a man. One day while he was working, the Catlin boys came calling. Catlin boys are untal. All right. They took turns at Becky. What? There were three of them. It wasn't the Catlin twins. Had to be three guys that raped her. Can he said that so? I was interested. He's on us. Can you play that again? He sounded like-- I can't back it up. No, I'm not. That was like-- Oh, yeah. Yeah. Catlin boys come, come and call it. Right. Bad enough when one guy rapes your best gal. And when twins rape, what when triplets have at it? I needed some sort of musical heads up that that was coming, because it was still kind of-- Yeah. I drove off the road to a drainage ditch the first time I heard that, so I thought, all right, the guys yellow. What do you do? Punch out some bully on a school yard? No. Three guys gang raped. It's Becky. At least it took turns. Yeah. It was like a toilet wall. Evidently, they didn't do it all. It was, but it didn't like the way. Well, let me get this right. What did his father tell him? It told him not to fight. Not to fight. Yeah, you don't fight to be a man. He didn't make the exception for gang rape? I don't think his dad in his wildest imagination kind of worked. The Gatlin boys into the scenario. Or it could be that his dad, you know, maybe killed somebody that gang raped his wife. And that's why he was in prison. That's right. There was probably like an addendum to his last message he never could get out, which is in case the Gatlin boys come a call and-- Yeah. Yeah, maybe he meant like if somebody, you know, calls you a yellow. That's got to be awesome for the town. Hey, the Gatlin boys are back. Awesome. Everyone lock up your daughters. Oh, he's heading over to Yellow's house. Does Becky survive? Well, let's find out. So the Gatlin boys, and I do like the part where Kenny goes, there was three of that. It's like he had wood when he said that. All right. So the Gatlin, and by the way, what about songs about dogs that have died and you run in shine? Because every song have to be about you getting bent and paralyzed and Vietnam or gang rape. It's up with Kenny. All right. So anyway, the Gatlin boys came a call and they took turns with Becky, and there were three of them. That's fine. That would happen. Tommy opened up the door. Saw his Becky crying. Oh, yeah. The torn dress. The shattered look was more than he could see. That was Tommy wearing the dress, by the way. Dance goes from prison. Yeah, but dad, we didn't work gang rape into the equation, and we was on a scenario that we saw coming. Yeah. I feel like you were talking about bar fights. And by the way, who's going to stop these Gatlin boys next time they come to town? Sure, that's great rape etiquette. Are you sure this wasn't the work of the Smothers Brothers? They're going to be troubled too. There's only two of them. There's only two? Only two of the Smothers. You wish. It would be the best rape day of your life if Tommy and the other Smothers Brothers got your lady. That's a question I wonder if because the country community is so tight. I wonder if maybe, you know, did Kenny Rogers consult the Gatlin Brothers before he runs his side? Yeah. Hey, hey, there's a very popular musical group, who just had a top 10 of them that's called the Gatlin Brothers. We just call them the Smith Brothers, there's no band that's called the Smith Brothers. Since his son came out, the Gatlin Brothers performances, they're not selling out. Glad it's night and the pips came to town, a rapin' like, huh? And we just pick another name. The Gatlin Brothers and the theater right next to ours in Branson, you understand? It's very uncomfortable. We open for you, Kenny, that one time. The Oak Ridge Boys came to town and one of them had a bowler. Hey, what the? Come on, Kenny. You don't hear about the Dooby Brothers or rapin'? No. There's a popular act called the Gatlin Brothers. It's my fact, they're going to be in here to cut an album in about 20 minutes, you share the same studio. How about you give 'em a break? Well, what other name should be good for rapin'? These are Doppin' Dirty Rivers. There is three of them. The point is sisters came to town. And they was money only Jackson five there's five of them Didn't didn't Kenny's manager like tap them on a shoulder to certain point it couldn't they couldn't we pick a non-contemporary In the country music like it's gonna suck the Anderson game right like at the next Grammys You may be sitting next to the Gatlin brothers. This is gonna be very enjoyable the Gatlin You rape Becky Becky's dad stands up. He's drunk. He's got a gun. He charges the stage Tammy what it came to town and she had a We're we're way the Gatlin brothers, right? Yeah, and by the way, you want to talk about brazen You know you just get done gang raping a young gal Now you go the bar to tilt a few and celebrate Well, guess we cut it off. You get the idea. I don't know the internet's weird. They're going. That's enough Anyway, we kept going and kept going and then we got into ruby. Oh the other song the other song about his Horror wife going to town of fuck strangers. Well, he was in a wheelchair Because he was injured in Vietnam. Oh Oh, oh, Riley auto parts. Yeah, Riley auto parts are in the business of keeping your car on the road Riley auto parts offers helpful service and the parts and the knowledge you need to maintain and repair your vehicle They always know what to do. I get my race cars. I'm a race car. So, you know, I got the parts over there I didn't you don't need a computer to fix those cars You just need your hands and some wrenches and a little something called gumption Anyway, they've got thousands of parts never have to worry if you're in a gym. They're team at a Riley They can test your battery. 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Well, there's probably another 10 minutes of that somewhere on the internet, but then there's ruby - if you want to can we hear it? If you want to enjoy I do a couple minutes of ruby. Maybe we'll we'll see if it can find cuz norms are so fucking funny those Those things. Yeah, so it just became a fun thing to break down Yeah, can he rod your songs with norm and the beauty of norm is He always got the joke. He always knew where you're going. Right. He You know, he wasn't he wouldn't stop in the middle of stuff and go, okay, what are we doing again? Yeah, yeah, everyone does like I hate when people do that when comedians trying to roll with the comedian like what do we they stand outside of the Conversation and make fun of it, you know what I mean the fucking he was just in it. I love it You know, no, that was hilarious the way that built and you could just almost feel the electricity of the comedy like bouncing back and forth. I especially the Gatlin that they were I later I Interviewed Kenny Rogers and I was like, why did you name him the Gatlin brothers? He's like I asked the fucking Yeah, they open for me and I'm like, you put your name in the Gatlin brothers the gang rapes He's like, yeah, I know they're fucking pissed. I saw him at the whatever the Grammys like he said it said their mom was anger or something He sort of did it I isn't to fuck with that my friend. Oh come on. He didn't write the song, did he? It's a good It's a good point, but the Gatlin brothers and there were three Gatlin brothers I'm pretty sure we got a look at it. Yeah, there were three Gatlin brothers and there were a huge country band when Kenny was huge And I was like you had to know and he's like, I knew And he's like, yeah, we went to the country music awards and Gatlin brothers mom yelled at me It's like why okay. Oh, we got a little ruby All right. Oh Sorry, we're gonna take a break this is ruby now She's got a dress on she put her hair and curler. She's going to town All right, it's the street lights are on she's heading into town Don't take your load Now listen to why he can't go with her to town Nobody ever accused Then what happened Rhymes with four She heard he used to have legs I Still need some company Like he's in a wheelchair because I got his legs blown off by bouncing fatty and she's getting horrid up and going into town It's not only It's hard to love a man whose legs are bent in parallel Not only paralyzed bent you figure you could straighten them out right there. Parallel is it sure why not all right keep going Just got a hot young chick when he can't satisfy her because his legs are bent and paralyzed Agent Orange is gonna take him down Last night won't be long until he's not around that's what he's heard. Yeah You ever heard the doctor let's break it down for a second. So he's like, you know, I'm not gonna be around for a while I heard the doctor right can you just wait not huge months Just hang out just give it a weekend before you go to town and and whore out My legs are bent paralyzed. I had to go to name do my page rack. You're over there. I never started it I didn't start it, but I went over there to do what I could. I stepped on a landmine now. I have cancer Right and you got to go hooring in town I believe there's eyes and how are that started that I know I can't completely satisfy you but I can still use my mouth That's not that We got norm that's norm everybody the gallon brother stated that people actually started accusing them And her brothers being rapist after the song became a massive hit their mother called them distra songwriters Roger Bowling and Ed Wheeler claim the use of the name was completely accidental They also considered the Barlow boys But that that Kenny's the one like like if I was Riding a song it needed to be two syllables, right? Yeah, the Gantle and Boas. Yeah, yeah Yeah, I Think maybe because Gatlin has a like an old western. Yeah, Gatlin gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah I still say that between Kenny the backup band and the engineer if they just stop down for three minutes They could have pitched like eight names with two syllables that would have right would have worked Houston boys come to town like you just pick any two syllable just get a roster from a football team from the 50s and just look at the last names and we we would have been fine or any western from the look at the credits from any western from the 50s we would have figured something out but he just went with the gauntlet who opened for him who opened for him yeah that sounds ridiculous yeah just passive aggressive like from Kenny Rogers I'm the new edition I don't well this is passing edition but yeah that's how I think of him that was I can't you just dropped in to see what condition his condition was it which is the grooviest crazy song ever and he can't believe it Kenny Rogers I know his vocals are wild on that song I don't know I don't I'm I'm I'm curious like how life works like a lot of a lot of the time like their things like they made land of the lost the movie and I was like that's the worst TV show from 1975 and like yeah we got the rights doing I'm like okay but why are you doing that I would tell people like there are two groups only two groups on the planet they're the people who haven't seen land of loss and don't know what you're talking about so you don't get any credit for that right and then the other group are people who have seen it and think it's the worst thing ever made so why are you now making a movie with your demo what your right and so I don't but I'm trying to think when it's like Rudy the guy works here is going to do the news he drives a truck called the Ford Maverick the Ford Maverick is the worst car ever made from 1975 so why would you dust off that name again like why would you take the biggest piece of shit from 1975 and go we're going to reuse this but we're going to put it on a truck it's like but it's all I remember the worst car for my childhood being a Ford Maverick but it in the but Maverick does say that you're sort of an outlaw you're a little bit that bad person well if Chevy had made the Maverick but this is Ford who made the Maverick but yeah I get you know they say all those people are dead and fuck a roll we're making we're going to we're going to label this but they're also I'm trying to think of their car names where it's like the they'll have like they'll have like I don't see is it the Volkswagen they'll be like is it the Tigger on or the Tigger or something like that and I go why do they so close like why why isn't why why are we doing this and I feel that way about push and pull like why would why they start with the first two letters they have the same two letters and each one it's too close it's a close it's a push in the end if it's a push in the end we wouldn't jam the door whatever right so what what are we doing I got you I got to think I remember there was a car called the intrepid yes Dodge Dodge intrepid remember once there was somebody like driving very gingerly down the street and then I was like okay this is beautiful well I just constantly stopping I have a theory that nobody nobody who lives in Malibu ever drove a Chevy Malibu like you look at and no celebrity ever drove a Chevy celebrity like we could just keep going with that so stand up in you sorry no but I was just also thinking about like just that those songs would be on the charts both of those songs are on the charts those are casey case them yes we're gonna cowardive a county right number five this week right it also full gang rapes song right before you know it's all a yellow ribbon it's all interesting and that you can hear a song two thousand times and not I woke everyone up to the gang right part of that song there was like what you've heard it five thousand times that is true it's kind of interesting right at because you're mainly listening to the hook the uh I think there's a thing where you're listening to the hook you're not identifying with Becky you're also here it's like Kenny Rogers so you're you're sort of guard is down like you're like he's gonna be singing about something that's pretty innocuous you know like he whatever he's singing about it's gonna be g-rated or PG or something you know right did he do islands in the stream with yeah yeah so was that kind of like me and he's not singing about anything so you just kind of you know your guards down I guess or your intent is not up and then there's a kind of a part of you that's more animal than human when it comes to listening to a song like you're just kind of popping along with it you're never really in the story yeah you're not really in your name is Gatlin right then you are going mom is I've got a reel to reel up and she's reversing it and playing it backwards and hearing Paul's a dead man yeah yeah I I guess anyone can everyone is is guilty of hearing something a million years later and then putting the connect then connecting at 25 years after you heard it right sometimes it's that way with a saying like Morton Salt when it rains at pours you know I'm like that means and then oh I know what that means I know what it means to now but I never thought about it for the first 30 years of my life and then goes apparently that was a big problem with salt too much moisture clog it up yeah I do feel like they can drop it now you know what I mean we've solved this problem that it's too humid it hampered it hampered the Egyptians back in the day but now we've solved this problem of clogged yeah yeah I was thinking about that the other day like that that worked in 1911 but they can get rid of it now but I know sometimes you'll hear things that you've heard for a million years you just sort of hear them for the first time which is an interesting thing yeah and I guess I was listening to that those songs kind of can you tell me at all the impetus of like why you were like pick those songs in 2007 I I sort of you're like I my method is I don't read anything and I don't really study anything I sort of try to go through life like a center field there I'm like I don't before the ball is hit oh I just want to be able to go any direction and just react to where the ball is yeah but you have to have a kind of neutral stance and you have to kind of be on the balls your feet and then wherever it goes I'll get a jump on it but I'm not going to try to I'm not going before it comes off the bat you know and so when I like listen to things or watch things I will have I don't I don't go into the I've heard a song 10,000 times I know what it is I'm like I'm gonna hear it for the first time even though I've heard it 10,000 times so I'll go anywhere with you know about the song sweet gypsy rose by Tony Orlando and Dawn and is anybody seen my sweet gypsy rose yeah yeah it's about a wife that leaves the family to go to New Orleans and become a stripper that's the song right yeah that is the song up each song right after knocked two three times and that oh that thing the thing's funny about Tony Orlando's he had a lot of asks he was like tie yellow ribbon knocked three times like hey how about we give it a rest your Tony can we just listen to a song can you do something for a change why don't I have to do all the fucking work I got a tap on the drain pipe twice on the pipes and all that kind of shit yeah I always here's a joke that nobody ever likes but I would say uh you know the jokes you kind of like but they never work on stage he's go off I get you know what I mean but I go everyone knows that song tie yellow ribbon you got to listen to that story the guy was in prison and the whole thing's about if you still love me you'll tie the ribbon and I was on the bus and to nervous to look to nervous to look but he looked up and there were a uh hundred yellow ribbons and it was real and it was great ending and everyone was happy and she accepted him back after all those years in prison and they were in love again but no one ever asked what was he in prison for oh I see he brutally raped a nine year old did you know that oh no that everyone goes what oh yeah that was a stepdaughter yeah she's 14 now but she's gonna have to live at that horror and it just looks really like are you fucking nuts I see but it is it is a question he wasn't in there for touch evasion fucking stabbed an Asian and elderly Asian man or something he did something something horrible he's fucking him in the joint for years he's coming out he's done his time though I know but who did he rape to get in there as an arsonist like he wasn't a white collar crime I love that you wanted to believe rape for that that's so good - Everyone's horrified. - But my favorite moment in that song is he can't look. And before he even looks to see the hundred that are put up there, the whole, I think he says, "Damn bus is shearing," right? So he's like, "Ah, that's a great," I just thought it was a great songwriting moment. - The whole bus is shearing and he can't believe he sees. A hundred, yeah, whatever. It's really back to sort of norm. It's basically an old timey song. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, it's like almost barbershoppy sort of like in turn of the century, guys should be playing it on a banjo. And it's also unclear, is that a prison bus or is that just a municipal bus? I think it's a municipal bus. He gets out of prison, he takes a bus. - He tells the bus driver the story. - He tells everyone knows. - Everyone wants to travel with a felon, a hardened felon. - It's so great. - Stay out of shurries not horny at all. - It's so great to take public transportation with felons, you know? - Convicted. - Hard time felons, yeah. - That's what he was in prison for. - But, no one ever goes. What, what do you in for? 'Cause I'm not cheering if you rape the child. - You can't, you can't cheer that. - That would be funny if the whole bus but, except you in the corner, like, I can't, I'm not on board. - I'm not gonna support this activity. - I don't care how many ribbons. - The guy could have fucking killed somebody, could have stabbed somebody, could have burnt down a business. - That's right. - Could be child pornography. - Your own acid in some of his face. - He threw acid in some young school girl's face. Or maybe he's in possession of kitty porn. This could be a fucking weirdo. - Could be. - Well, it didn't play like it was a white collar crime. - I got you. - He wasn't, what makes you think it wasn't a white collar? - This is no Martha Stewart. - I got you, I got you. - The white collar crime, guys. Martha Stewart didn't take a bus back to her state on Martha's Vineyard. She had a driver out there waiting for her with her fucking, - Escalade, yeah. - And with smoked windows and her favorite fucking meal of all times sitting under a glass dome on a tray in the back that you don't hop on a municipal bus for white collar guys got money waiting when they come out. So this guy, - That's a good point. That's a good point, you're deducing. - Yes, yeah. - Yeah, so this guy did something violent in order to get in there. - I love it, I love it. - Could be arson, could be rape, could be a salt acid in the face. - I'm a school girl, right? - Could be a possession of pornography, child pornography. - Could be in creating child pornography. - That's right, - He could be. - Another level. - He could, next level. - Maybe he was just running heroin, you know? Like maybe he's mule and smackin' from Mexico or whatever. But either way, let's not applaud this guy. Now, if in the song they'd explain that it was a white collar crime - Right. - Or a third time. - He missed a column on his income tax. - That's right. - Yeah, that happens. - Or maybe he inbezzled from some big company that never missed it, you know? Or maybe it was a third strike, but that was just stealing a sack of Cheetos. - Right, maybe like in midnight run. - Mm-hmm. - Do you remember the, not Denaro? Who's the other guy in the movie? - Charles. - Groten, Groten, yeah. - Groten, yeah. - He was like the accountant for the-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We explained that, then maybe I would have cheered. - Right. - But we don't know what this fellow's up to. - I love it just a young Adam in the corner going, I can't get him. - I'm not gonna support this. - And then what happens when the next felon gets off the bar? - He's doing the all kinds of things. - He had a super motivated lady with the hundred. - That's a lot. - Yellow ribbons, by the way. - By the way, and that's long changed America. - Oh yeah, because there was a, we got into the ribbon. That's called. - To the ribbon. - Ushered in the ribbon. - To the ribbon. - Yeah. - Oh it did. - It did. - Yeah, right? - Whenever you see, like I saw it on the back of somebody's hat with the 9/11 thing with the ribbon. - Yeah. - Pre-AIDS and all of that. I believe it all started with that song. - Yeah, it did. It tie yellow ribbon and now they put a ribbon for like a family when a veteran came home or whatever. - I never-- - Right. If I'm not mistaken, and this is from the Mel Brooks documentary we did, I think it was like, when you were, in World War II, if you had like a son overseas, you put like a star in the window to let people know that like, we got kids over there. We were on needles and pins, just hopefully not getting a telegram or that. - Right, yeah, yeah, interesting. - Same kind of idea that like. - What's next in the doc department for you guys? I mean, I'm guessing-- - I'll tell you one. - I'm just gonna do every comedian. - He's right, again, just doing Fred Stoller next. It's, no, Judd is actually working on incredible doc on Billy Strings. Are you familiar at all with this kid? - Yes, I am. - Yeah, so I'm very excited about that. I'm not really involved with that. - Billy Strings, how old is Billy Strings? - He might be 30 now, right? He's got-- - I guess. - Yeah, yeah, so, but that's his arc. He's show business arc from the trailer bark that drugs to becoming just crazy bluegrass prodigy. Bluegrass, who would guest? Who would have guessed? - A33, going to the internet. - I know, there's no more, there's no more saying, oh, here's a premise for a doc or here's a premise for a sitcom or here's a premise for a movie and you're going, well, that's not gonna work. There's no more. Everything who knows, it's either works or it doesn't work. Like there's no-- - It's in the execution, right? - It's all in the execution. - The execution of the songs that Kenny Rogers put together. - By the way, do you notice the key changes in the song? Do you notice that at all? Or is that just me, isn't it? - Is it a musician? - No, I don't know anything about music other than I listen-- - Seems like you listen a lot. - Well, I have hyper-vigilance, so I listen to everything really closely and then I say, did you notice this or did you notice that? But it's not 'cause I'm trained in music, I just sort of notice everything and usually bothers me. - Right, but cowardly to the county has, I think at least two key changes in it. - And is that unusual for a pop song? - Well, Manolo was like the king of it. - Oh, he was. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was sort of seen as like an old-fashioned Broadway kind of trick to create more tension and raise-- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The anticipation of, and I don't know, it was just something I hadn't heard that song in a long time because rap songs aren't on my playlist as a rule. - Oh, I got a bunch for you. - You do? What are the other ones? - Well, I want to start a series XM station called Statutory Rape Rock, where it's just like-- - Statrock. - Statrock, where it's like you're only 15. You know, it's everything's like you just 15. It's all-- - Young girl. - You remember that song, Young girl? ♪ Get out of my mind ♪ ♪ My love for you is way out of line ♪ ♪ But I'm wrong ♪ - You better run. - You better run. - No, I have to walk away. You better run. - You better run. - I can't go. - That song, when it's like, you know, that era of like-- - You're 16. You're beautiful. - Oh, also like you're a woman now. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know, like I'm gonna make you a woman. And you know, he yells at her and Young girl, like he's a man turning into the werewolf. He goes, he goes, ♪ Get out of here ♪ ♪ Before I have the time ♪ ♪ To change my mind ♪ Like I'm one beer away from Rape and your 14-year-old ass. So run, 'cause you don't wanna see me when-- - Better run, girl. You're much too-- - You young girl. Yeah. - That's a wild one. But the creepiest one for me is all is from a musical called Gigi, which is thank goodness for little girls. - Oh, you know that song? - Yeah, yeah, sure about me. - Yeah. - I know it's not a pop song, but that song is wild. - We were kind of nuts. We were nuts with the statutory stuff back then. - Yeah, yeah, that young girl stuff, yeah. - Thank goodness because they grow up into-- - Yeah, and it's always funny when they're like, you know, they always do that part where like, the world says no, but I know, yeah, the word, you mean the authorities and principals and school teachers. Yeah, yes, everyone says no, because it's disgusting. But you don't listen to them. - The heart wants to talk. - You got a pointer. It's so weird too that they make 'em 15 or 16 or 17. It's just fucking fucking 18. There's no difference. - By the way, you know that song, you're 16, you're beautiful. You know who wrote that? - No, it's a Ringo Star song? - Well, he had it. - Right. - It was a 50 style Ringo had it. - Right. - Or hit with it in the '70s when he did his own album. But the Sherman brothers who wrote all of Mary Poppins. - Oh really? - And all of, it's a small world after all. I mean, those guys. - Those two guys. - Wow. - Yeah. Yeah, I'm sorry. so amazed. And also, the thing that's always nuts about that, and who are you talking about for statutory rape rock when we're in Hawaii? But there is no difference to an old dude. There's no physical difference between an 18 year old and a 16 or 15 year old. Like they're, they're the same. Right. They're a new car. I, you know, I, I, I, right off the lot. Yeah, yeah, there's no like, ah, she's a teen. She'll try it up and sagging. She know, good, and then we're all blown out of that. You went a nice 14 year old. Like it, it was like, you could have just, you first, I mean, you didn't have to give me an age. Right. I just said like a young girl, you know, you didn't have, well, he does it. There's no age in young girl. If I'm not mistaken, that's Gary Puckett in the union gap, both of them, the gap and Gary. Yeah. Oh, we were talking about the movie Angel, where she was a streetwalker at night. She was an honor roll student by day in a streetwalker at night. Oh, really? And they made her 15, but she was in high school. And it's like most people in high school are 17, or it could be 18 in high school. You don't have to make her 15. How old was Jody Foster's character in taxi driver? Oh, she was probably like 12 or something weird. Really? Because I know she was in school. I know she was still like in. Oh, yeah. It's a good question. Andrew Andrew tell us. Yeah. She was also was 12 years old when she filmed taxi driver. No, like her character was what age? And then later on, yeah. That's a streetwalker in New York. That's a 12 year old girl playing a 12 year old girl. Oh, man. Jesus Christ. 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The co-pilot accused of trying to hijack an Israel-bound plane carrying 147 people mused about killing Jews online in disturbing social media posts, according to an Israeli official. The co-pilot who has not been named publicly is accused of attacking his Indian-lead pilot in the cockpit on the fly-to-by flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv on Wednesday before trying to down the aircraft. You may have seen this video, President Trump suggested that Iran was behind the failed hijacking and warning that the Islamic Republic would be struck very hard if proven to be behind the foiled terror attack. President, first of all has anybody briefed you about whether or not that the pilot of the fly-to-by plane is linked to Iran? We're working on it right now. They're being very open with us. I would say the answer based on what I'm hearing is yes, but we're working on it right now. We live in a weird time which is we can't really figure out who's what and what's who. It's pretty clear. If you just go micro, you go like, "Okay, I have a daughter and a son and a head next wife." Things were sort of normal, but if things weren't normal, it's because my daughter was fucking causing trouble. It was never me, it was never my son. It was probably my daughter and then my wife sort of aiding and abetting whatever her craziness was because she was fucking nuts, too. Your daughter is I ran in this analysis and I guess it's pretty easy. We could just go about our lives. There's an easy way. You can do it. There's Finland and there's Norway, there's Hungary and there's Poland. There's Japan. You just go about it. You can or you can be fucking nuts. Then we have to give all our attention to you and then we have to argue about what she did and what he did and what but it's a pretty easy equation. There's a side that just wants to get the fuck on with their lives. They just want to raise their kids, enjoy, go out, enjoy and then there's another group that won't let that happen and then we have to argue about it, like constantly, which is kind of nuts. It's sort of the same with criminals in this country. Most of this country just wants to get along. Pay their bill, pay their taxes, get along, drive to school, obey the laws and whatever. Then there's another group that won't do it and then we have to argue about why they're not doing it and then spend a whole bunch of time talking about it. But it's pretty simple. I used to say to Dr. Drew all the time, I just go, look, your kids, his triplets, I was saying, no one ever needs to worry about them. If everyone was Dr. Drew's triplets, just leave your doors unlocked. Leave your computer on the dashboard of your car. Who cares? There's no crime. It's not going to happen when we go like, well, we have to make a man's and we have to carve out space for it. It's like not really unless there's fucking these people and this is the people in the world. We have to worry about Iran, Iraq, like all the fucking Middle Eastern nut job, fucking idiots and then all that. But it's basically them and all the fucking dumb white chicks who have to go along with whatever they're doing. Yeah. That's where we saw so much sanity and Casper Wyoming over the weekend. I was walking past a tire shop. It looked like it was out of Mayberry. It looked like, you know, all of a sudden Don Nath was going to show me like, Andy, they took the donations for the Cub Scouts, Andy. Right. And then of course, when something like this happens, which is once again, Islamic nut jobs, jihadists trying to kill everybody, then the New York Times have to say like a skirmish broke out in a outfit, you know, they have to do. So it's sort of like nutty, jihadist, Middle Eastern, fucking dirt bags. And then all the left wing apologetic, you know, New York Times, LA Times, NPR, PBS, who all have to apologize for the fucking nut job. Or they could just stop and this would end tomorrow. Super easy. Yeah. Yeah. And thankful for the guys that got inside that cockpit and took the controls. Because I don't know if you saw the photos of that guy. They beat the hell out of that dude. He was all bloodied up. Good. Yeah. Absolutely. The view co-host Sonny Hauston backed in the upstate New York district attorney's 2004 decision to not bring charges against several Cornell University fraternity brothers accused of gang raping a fellow student in an explosive new lawsuit. Here's the clip. Just a second. I actually have the statement that Jane Doe wrote at that time. And just give it to us in the sentence. We're not a lot of time. It's several pages long, it's nine pages long. And I will say that under current New York State law, voluntary intoxication or drug use, and she voluntarily drank a lot, she voluntarily took Snorted ketamine, off of one of the boys' body parts. - Even though she was highly intoxicated when she arrived at the frat house. - She was highly intoxicated, but had made plans to meet one of the boy, young men. - She allowed other boys and consented to other boys, Snorted ketamine, off of her body. And under New York law, voluntary intoxication or drug use that merely impairs judgment does not legally constitute an inability to consent to sexual activity, right? So that means if you voluntarily ingest drugs, you voluntarily take alcohol, you can agree to have three sums, which in her statement, she agreed to have two separate three sums. One boy did walk in, one young man did walk in and say, "Everybody out." So there was one person that did that. And according to her statement, three of the young men did not touch her. And so I say all, I think I wonder if any is, but I say all that to say the pictures of these young men who have not been charged, not been adjudicated, are being plastered all over the internet. I think people are reporting this story inaccurately. I think they're reporting it unfairly. And while this is something that we have to take very seriously, there is no way according to her statement in 2024 that any prosecutor would have brought-- - She was intoxicated. Have a chance. - Under New York law, again, under New York law. - Joy Bay. - And voluntary intoxication. - If you voluntarily-- - If that may be where it can be opened at all. - And you voluntarily ingest ketamine. - But that intoxication-- - That doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the guy's a tachta, whether she's drunk or not. - No, well, according to her statement, though. - She says she-- - All right, then in fact, here's what, first things first. In the time we played this story, 200,000 women died just for various reasons. People this fucking die, people get raped, people get beheaded, like, it's that's all day every day. You know, we live in a weird society, we'll take like one case. And we'll talk about it like it's the only case, you know what I mean? Like, people just get murdered, people get raped, people die all over, all over the country, all over the world, like all day every day. And then we pick out like one weird story and we go, "What's going on with this?" And then we all focus on that one story about one person. So it's all kind of unnecessary and weird and a waste of time, you know, because it's so, it would make sense if no one was ever raped. But since people are raped all the time, all day every day from the dawn of humanity and in every culture who has come before us and who comes after us, that's kind of weird that we get really like, we drill that, like on this one case. So look, the chick, like, was texting with a guy at the frat, the chick had some interest in the guy in the frat. They, you know, he said, "Come over." She went over there, she said she was like a five out of 10 in the drunk department. She showed up, they'd dance around a while and then the guy said like, how about a three-semit? She was like, "All right." And so she agreed to this and then they did some ketamine and then some other guy showed up and then drank some more, but I mean, it's a story that almost everyone you know who's over 40 could look back on and go, yeah, I had one of those nights where we're drinking, we're doing shit, shit got out of hand or whatever. But there is no legal case because she agreed to everything and never protested anything. And she changed your story later on, but the original police report or the original report is that, I mean, you have to figure out like, how are we gonna adjudicate this stuff? Like you go, okay, you show up in your drunk, but then you drink some more, but then you do some drugs, but then somebody suggests something and you say, fine. And then nobody forces the drugs on you or the alcohol on you, you ingest it yourself. And then they say, let's have sex or let's have a threesome and you say, fine. And then you have a threesome when you ingested the drugs and the person said, how about some ketamine? And you went, yes, thank you. And then you did some ketamine and then you drank some more and then you had a threesome. And then the next day you didn't like what you did. But how would the court system work? If we just went, well, every time that happened, those guys are going to prison for the rest of their lives. - Yeah. - Like, well, that couldn't work. How could it work? You showed up at the front house, you drank, you did ketamine, you agreed to this. And then at the end, you didn't like what happened. Okay, well, that's like basically called you drank and you made bad decisions. And then you go, who are these guys? And the guys are like, well, they're just guys who did what they're gonna do, who did what they always do, who did what they did before this and before that before ketamine and before alcohol. - Yeah. - I mean, they did what guys do. So I don't know what the case is, but then the problem is, is then the DA and the governor and all the people get involved and then they grandstand it and then they say we need these guys to locked up. I mean, let's not forget, I was just talking to my buddy Kevin Hinch back there. - Remember Duke Lacrosse? Duke Lacrosse? That guy, Mike Nyfung, the DA was trying to get those young dudes locked up for the rest of their lives for something they never did and he fucking knew it. He knew it. - Yeah, absolutely. - He knew they didn't rape that stripper who later on went on to kill her boyfriend. - Crazy. - He fucking knew they didn't do it and he was like, I'm gonna take these like four or five guys, average age 19 and four months from affluent families who have their whole lives ahead of them and I'm gonna fucking put these guys in prison and he knew they didn't do it. That's how fucking bad people are. Like I don't, you know, when people talk about that or COVID or new sum or like shutting beaches down, like I don't have any fucking trust in anyone's humanity anymore whatsoever. - Yeah. - Like I just believe they would do that fucking guy Mike Nyfung who's now disbarred was willing to ruin the lives of five guys age 20 so he could get real elected next year over something and he had the evidence, like he had ATM bank receipts where like the guy was at the ATM at like 12, 22 at night and he knew the guy couldn't be raping the chick and at the ATM at the same time and he had the evidence and he still was gonna fucking move him forward. So fuck everyone. - Imagine all the lawsuits that would come about if every guy who woke up and looked over to his left in Ben went, I shouldn't have done that. - Yeah. - It'd be a season Zari's went through this. It's nonstop. Every guy who goes to Jamaica for spring break wakes up the next day and then goes down to the pool and goes, who are those guys saying hi to us? They're like, well those are the girls he parted with last night, like no, it's not. Those girls we were with last night were 9s and 10s. - The Duke LaCrosse guys got $20 million each by the way. - Wow. - But anyway, yes, okay. Sad and like there's a lot of stuff in life which is just like shit happens, sad. Wish he hadn't done it, made a mistake. Doesn't mean someone needs to go to jail. - Absolutely. And also to these people that are calling people out for not putting anti-rape sentiments on their, and sentiments on their social medias and saying that we're the problem as well. I've had numerous people hit me up the last couple of days and be like, so I mean, you haven't said anything, who would say what side are you on? I was like, what? First up, I don't have to comment on it. I'm not a part of the case. So let's fuck alone. - Yes, I agree. - Too much. - All right, hold on. There's a great clip of Asia Wilson's mom. I was showing you in the car. - This is great. - 'Cause it's great. Just black women have gone insane. And so Asia Wilson is the WNBA player who went into the crowd because a guy pointed at her. And he didn't really do anything other than she created, she created a flagrant foul and knocked the guy down, knocked what's her nose down. And then that guy pointed and said, you, you're the one who got the foul, even though she didn't get the foul. And then her mom was walking around the stadium, I guess the next day or so. And she was holding a sign that said love be tape. Which is okay, so I don't know what all the nonsense is, but it drives me crazy. notes all the addages, but she's walking around. She has a hard, shaped sign, about 16 inches wide and 14 deep. Looks like a heart and it says, "Love beats hate." And she's walking around the stadium, parading the thing around. Also, I don't know. Do you have to parade? Do I have to know who you are? Like, can you just go watch your daughter play basketball, puts what pants on, show up? I don't need to know who you are, but she's walking around. And somebody in the crowd, presumably a white guy asks her what the sign, "Love beats hate" means. And watch how fast she gets violent. But it's funny because her own daughter was the one who went into the crowd the day before because someone pointed at her. But this is funny. All right, we'll play. Can you tell me what your sign means? I'm reading. I'm interested in what your thought is. What do you mean? Do you mean that Indian, fever fans are hateful? I'm just asking. I mean, that's what what the sign is. I'm just asking. Turn up. You can kick that wheel. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you think it means? I'm asking. What do you mean? I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. She chose to walk around. Yeah, so sort of comical because we treat black people like they're in a zoo now. And it's like it's your fault. You shouldn't have antagonized or fed the like we like like there's always a white chick going you shouldn't have talked to the black woman, you know, because you had to understand she would react this way. Like you're like you're literally talking about animals. Like you're you're talking about lesser than people. Like there's a insane kind of racism now where there's a bunch of fucking carons going, you can't talk to the you know what? The problem is you established eye contact. And when you stab a side contact with black women, you have to understand how they're going to react. They're going to get violent. You know, like there's this weird apologetic white person thing. She's in middle age black woman who has a daughter in the WNBA. And the guy's like she's walking around holding a sign so the guy goes, what's your sign mean? And she immediately gets angry. Yeah. I she doesn't explain it. She doesn't say anything. She just goes, but I'm I'm now angry because subconsciously, maybe even consciously that's what you're really looking for. You're not out there to spread that love be tate. You are waiting for a white guy to ask what your sign means that you can blow up on. She's basically the black Ellen. You know, I'm like, I'm going to dance, but am I nice? Look, let me see it again, Andrew, because she gets angry not in 30 seconds. She gets angry in like three seconds. Like he just goes, what's up with sign? Also, if you're going to hold a sign above your head and you're going to do laps around a stadium, be prepared for someone to go, what's up with the sign? Here it is. Yeah. Like the like, no, I'm reading, I'm interested what you're, what your thoughts? No, but like, what do you mean? What do you mean? My, do you mean my, do you mean my, this is what I mean? No, do you mean the Indian fever fans are hateful? I'm just asking. I mean, that's what the saddest thing. I'm just asking. I'm not telling you. That seems like a lot of him. I'm not provoking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking. I'm asking, no, I'm with Jimmie asking. Do you, do you, what do you, what do you think it means? I'm asking. I'm not instigating. I'm not instigating. I'm not instigating. You are. You are. I'm the calm one here. You're simply asking her what they're signing. You've answered the animals with the zoo, basically. That's what she said. It's like when you go to Colorado and it says don't approach the bears. They can just have those signs outside of WMBA games. That's right. Also, if you're going to make a sign, I mean, just get somebody who's got a little bit of artistic integrity to me. At first, I thought that said love beats hat. And it was like, what is this? Yeah, she ran out of the e-room. Yeah, what is she doing? By the way, her daughter, the one who went into the crowd, her daughter is the one who instigated. The one guy pointed and then she went in. But it's actually an interesting thing. Maybe Andrew can find it. Asia's, Asia Wilson's presser. It's great. Black women are geniuses because they they figured out a thing where they go. She goes, if you step to me, I got to defend myself. But step to me doesn't mean step toward you. So it sounds good because then when you're telling the story, you go, I was in the parking lot. I was going about my business and this guy stepped toward me and I had to defend myself, except for in the black vernacular, you get to say step toward me, but that doesn't mean step toward you. But it's good because it covers your actions after after that. Right. So her thing is that guy stepped toward me, except for he'd never stepped toward her. But in her world, if you point or say anything, you step toward them. So it's kind of, it's smart because it covers you because then you get to defend yourself because the guy stepped toward you, but he never stepped toward you. We can listen to this fucking dumb shit talk about. I wonder where she got her temper from. All right. You never just to end point at me. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not putting a **** at all. Excuse my French and God bless me. But that there is, it's unacceptable. And how do you get stuck in the game? Because they said he didn't do anything. Of course he didn't. And that's fine, but and I apologize to my team because I got us a check and I'm really, but it's just certain things that I'm just not going to allow anyone because it's just unexpected. So don't you don't know me at all to come and step towards me and point at me and say anything out to him out to me. So yeah, I apologize to my team, but it was me. Right. So you don't know her. Okay. At all. You don't know, but you come at her. You step toward her. You can play, there's actually earlier Andrew where she says step toward a few times. But the guy got up. He stepped into the aisle and then he pointed but he didn't step toward her in an aggressive manner. She's making it sound that way. Right. Yeah. But he doesn't know her. So you're not allowed to do stuff. But have these bitches ever seen an NBA game where people just **** yelling the whole time and **** and there's always somebody yelling at LeBron or whoever all day, every day. You're not allowed. My argument Rudy's always at women are much meaner than men and much more aggressive than men. And everyone's like, what are you talking about? They're so much smaller. It's like, yeah, birds are a lot smaller than elephants. But they're much more aggressive. Yeah. That's how it works. Go back and watch any episodes of American Gladiators from the late 80s, early 90s and the women 1000 times more aggressive than the men. Yes. All right. So sorry. We have we have her in Andrews. You know, he's he's wearing a lot of hats. Yeah, man. Great job back there. So the guy points and then behind the basket say something to Adrian Wilson and she immediately takes exception. She goes to him. Yeah. He doesn't move and get this fan out of the building. And also we're doing a whole thing with black people these days where like we have to remove the guy from the building. He didn't do anything. She needs to remove. We're doing this weird soft bigotry of low expectations like that. She doesn't know. I mean, it's really kind of a weird sad like more animal than human kind of thing. Like it's his fault. You shouldn't have fed the bear. That was your fault. Yeah. We got to get him out. Now, sorry, I was talking about her press conference where she she's like step toward me. She kept saying step toward me, which didn't mean anything. In her world, anybody walking at her at Disneyland is also stepping towards them. As long as you are moving in any which way shape or form, not even at me. If you are moving in my vicinity, I take that as an affront and we must throw down. Well, it's basically you disagree with me. So you're stepping toward me. But all right, here it is. This must be the one. Yeah. Hey, obviously played with a sense of urgency. You know, this was a game for them that they needed to win. So their urgency was a lot higher. The intensity was a lot higher. So I think they made the adjustment there. And I don't think they guarded me any differently. It was just a sense of urgency that they were playing with. Kind of had us on our heels the same way we had to make a win. So we'll be better, we'll adjust and we'll come back with a better sense of urgency, effort and heart. And yeah, with the baseline situation of I don't know if you guys know me, but I don't really get into the bullshit. - I don't, I try to play my game, keep it pushin'. But if I'm just walkin' 'cause I just got the foul, I'm chillin', and if I see a man come at me, takein' steps towards me and pointin' at me. I don't give a damn what you said. - I don't give a damn how you said. - He didn't come at her or take steps toward her. He stood up and he pointed. She took steps toward him, which is kind of the problem in modern, our modern society, like how, what if she was on the jury, and she was gonna decide if you're innocent or guilty, and her version of this is the guy took steps toward her, except for he didn't do any of those things. You took steps toward him. But all right, let's listen to what else this bitch is lying about. - It's home, that is unacceptable. You don't step towards me. You never should, and point at me. I'm not, I'm not for that shit. At all, excuse my friends. - It's not for it. - And God bless me. But that there is unacceptable. And how do you get back in the game 'cause they said he didn't do anything, of course he didn't. And that's fun. - Yeah, okay, they said he didn't do anything 'cause he didn't do anything. All right, you, so we're living in a world where you stepped toward him, but you describe it as he stepped toward you, and that's why you reacted the way you reacted, except for we would know if he stepped toward you because he was eight feet off of the court. So he would be on the court if he stepped toward you. You were on the court and walked off the court to him who was still in his seat in the stance. So who stepped toward who? And then the reason I don't like it is because this new world order of bullshit was like, hey man, I don't want to get along with him. But you can't do that. He didn't do anything, bitch. You're fucking nuts. And evidently your mom is nuts. - Yeah. - Two. - And I see where you got this. - Yeah, let's show her a clip from Malice in the Palace. - That's right. - Okay, that's what we're talking about. - All right, this Thursday, point pleasant, beach, New Jersey uncle Vinnie's gonna be there in the potstown. Oh, Andrew's gonna be up on stage his family. He's got a winner family, man. Be up there, Soul Jolls, up there doing shows as well. Go to AdamCroll.com for all the live shows. Until next time, AdamCroll for Rudy Povitch and Wayne Federman. Say him. Mahala. You can leave us a voicemail at 888-634-174-4 and get tickets to CDAsman@ AdamCroll.com. - In this life, you can't win. 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