“Washingtonian” (w/ Brandi Carlile)

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We're quickly off to the races with our guests. I'm wearing my Hedgera hat. Yes. And just as a tribute to the, just for the Joni connection. And I've, gosh, it feels crazy to look across at our guest as if she's an old friend. Well, here's the thing. I was thinking, well, last night, I'm sort of zoning in for the episode and like consuming, consuming, consuming. And I'm thinking potential, most talented person, we've had about a year. Potential, I don't think it's potential. No, I'm not kidding, because I was, I actually texted our vocal coach, Doug Pat, and I was like, can we talk about the voice of our, of our guest? And he was like, well, the word is fearless. Well, this is fearless, singing all your fucking songs in the original key. You're crazy. You are crazy. But we haven't even spoken, we haven't even breached that with our guest, because we're too busy talking about going on vacation on a boat and going on vacation to the mouse house. And she's an expert at both. I just, I can't believe I got to tell this person. This is what I breached broached with her. Breached broached? Last song I listened to, I've told you this, probably a million times, I will remind you. Last song that was playing in the car, and I intentionally played it before my mom dropped me off to the airport before I went to school in New York. The story? It's not the story, but it was off the album. OK. Cannonball. Ooh. So good. I will never forget being a 19-year-old singing. All of these lines across my face. I'm 19. Tell you the story. And I'm just like, sort of giving this like, really, like, just drop me because, of course, you know, Grey's Anatomy opened the door. Of course. Like millions of gays. Asara Ramirez, an underrated Sara Ramirez. Shout out to you. Shout out to Sara. OK, but anyway, I've told her, guess this. Since then, she has inadvertently started the queer sort of commune that we will all be living in in a post-apocalyptic world. She's building the mess hall. She's building the dining hall now. 11 Grammy Awards, two Emmy Awards, an Oscar nomination. Don't forget about that one. Everyone, well, she's a fucking legend. Everyone, welcome. Dunning talent. Brandy Carlisle. Hey. Hey, girl. Hey, guys. We want to know, you said you're fresh from Disney. Yeah. What are the vibes? Oh, really good. Really good. Unbelievable. Because you do it with the guide. And you sort of-- you get your dining reservations ahead. Exactly. And then you just regress for 12 hours. Who's there? Are the twins there? Are the kids there? Usually the twins, always the kids. Always. Now a days. Yeah. Our mushroom days at Disney are over. But they did exist. They did exist. And they're fun when they last. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But did you hit up Universal as well? No, we do the California's great adventure. We'll take that up. And then we do Disney. And I try to do Pirates, the Caribbean, four or five times. And is that because there's so much to see? This is the nostalgia. I didn't get it Disneyland, like, until I was 21. 21 was my first trip as an adult with, like, my much older, older, girlfriend, older, much older. So she was like, I want to show you some-- Exactly. It's so fresh. It's like you're going to be a damn foot. She's like, I've got to show you something you've never seen. Oh my God. Disney Land. Yeah, it's so predatory. Was it a lot of older women in the beginning? Oh, yeah. I mean, only. Yeah. Only, yeah. This is what people don't realize. Yeah. See, Matt and I even come from, did you ever-- were you ever a Craigslist guy? No, I never did Craigslist. Oh, OK. Did you tell me what that is? Oh, so you did Craigslist, the sort of-- the listings, the classifieds of the internet. Right. But there was a personal section. OK, OK, yeah. It was M for M, M for F, F for M, F for F, T for T, T, M for T. Like, it really was like a big tent for whatever you wanted. And it would be people there being like a non-god. It was just-- it was just where you went before the Grindr days. Yeah. And it was like, we were in a desert as we were people. It was a place of finding. And so I feel like there was a long-- there was a while where I felt like I was identifying. And I was like, well, I guess I'm just dating older, man. Even though that never really-- that didn't really come to pass. It was just like, well, it's just the people that I'm like gravitating towards are like the older-- And what age were you when it was like-- Oh, my God. Like, 19. Like, you know-- Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I would have considered it like a description of type for me. Yeah, really? Yeah, like almost like it's own orientation. How much older are you? I mean, like, at least 10 years, but 15 awesome. And maybe anywhere under 20 would be like between 15, 20 would be like really excellent. Sure. I'd gosh, do we-- is there a different-- is there a different-- is there a different math to it with Lesbians? I'm not exactly sure. I think it's linked to like, profession. Yeah. Really? Is that so? Yeah, yeah. Well, like, we were talking about boat captain. Yeah, we sure were. And so we were like police officers, like firefighters. It could just be me I'm talking about. But I remember going to the pride parades in Seattle, like on Broadway in the '90s, and just standing on the sidelines with these baby dykes, just like losing my mind over like the cops when they would walk through where, like, any authority figures. Sort of. Or just like, yeah. And they had to be just kind of like dyke and awesome and had like warm and evolved. And you know what I mean? Well, traveled. And it was just like-- it was kind of a way to maybe finish getting raised in some ways, like-- Yeah. They saw the old soul in you, too. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Because when were you going into the city? When were you going to Seattle to like, be with your fellow queers? As soon as I could, like, I didn't get a driver's license to really quite late. But I would get rides, like, to the city. And I would go busk at Pike Place Market, you know? And then I would go and take my busking money up to like, Broadway and, you know, sit in the outside of the gay bar where I could, you know, have like a mocktail. Yeah, yeah. And just watch gay people live their lives. Because I didn't meet a gay person until after I came out of the closet. I never knew one. So then-- And this is such a naive question. So then, like, what is your way of, like, knowledge with your, with your, with your gayness, without a person there to like, mirror that or like, or like, download something into you? I think it was a combination of, like, just a cultural recognition of gayness in music and film and television. And then also just, like, puberty kicking in and realizing I was thinking about kissing girls. Yeah, of course. What am I saying? How did you know? The combination of all of those two things? No, but I think the interest element of it is like, also, we're just dying to talk to people about the things that we love. Even now. Yeah. That's kind of why we even have this. Yeah, I love this, I love things. It's like, it's like, it's never hard to like, talk to people about what they love. And that is, it's like, when you're that age, you're just dying to be seen in what you've been told or what you've been feeling is like a niche thing. Yeah. And then you can say the name of these artists and like, you can say like, whatever it is, and they have the discography as well. And it's like, okay, my people. Yeah, and these little dog whistles and breadcrumbs and the whole thing. And then, you know, your friend group gets kind of based on that or built on that. And it's like your personality in a way. Yeah. Yeah, that's how I felt. Seattle is such a great city. Like, we went, we went of the first time we ever went, we did and I was like, and I don't think so. so honey, live show. And the space was, was it all ages? - It was an all ages venue. - And it was dry. - And it was dry. - And it was like Seattle. - And it was, we left the show, which was bad, and we were like, Seattle? - No. - No. - And now that I've gone back, I'm like Seattle rocks. - No, no, every time I do my show there, it's always the best show. - It's always the best show. - I come back every time being like Seattle has it. And I need to wipe my slate clean from, 'cause I have been back to see it to Seattle since. - Oh, sure. - Since 2019. And the weather was bad. It's always all these things. And I was like, I need to go back and like really experience it. - Well, Seattle is like the older lesbian. She makes you earn it. You have to go back, like we're almost Canadian in that way. We're not gonna show you our cards, like all at once. - Yeah, no. - You have to come back two or three times and then maybe, you know. - Seattle doesn't chase you. - No. - Hey, Seattle. - Seattle? - Actually, that's a real culture number 10. Seattle doesn't chase you, you chase Seattle. - But Seattle has actually given you so much when you think about it, because not only this, not only all this like formative experience and culture and like your musical beginnings and so much, but also Seattle being the setting of Grey's Anatomy. - Yes. - Yes. - How many gay men and young women are like, I found you because of the story being on Grey's. - All of them. - Really? - That was how I did. - Yeah. And it wasn't just the story. The story was like the third or fourth song. - Yeah, you were up in the soundtrack. - Yeah, I see them now, Grey's like, I feel like I'm alumni of like, when I see the cast, like when we're, it's like, this is a thing that happened. I'm so glad you guys realized this. - Yeah. - Because they would use your songs and all the promo. What was the album before the story? 'Cause it was like, it was like pre-story. I was like, oh, there's this like amazing singer, Brandy Carlyle, and then yeah, and then shit, like blew up. - Yeah, there was a few songs. And there were a couple of songs. I even went in and recorded just four grays in that. - Yeah, huh? - Yeah. - I mean, they also, like, they were noted for having like the best soundtrack on television. - Alec Pizzavis, no, she's the head of music at Netflix. - Yeah. - She was the music supervisor of Grey's and she was the music supervisor for the OC. - Yeah. - She's cool. - She was cool as fuck. - Oh, she did the OC too. I was gonna say. - I wanted to date her. - Yeah. - Not too long. I didn't want it today. - I can eat a disney land. - I think so. - Many times as you wanted it. - Like at 20, not just 21. (laughing) - Do you know E.R. fight master? - No. - So they were on Grey's and Adamine for years. They were playing like the first non-binary resident there for years. And they're also a musician. - Okay. - No, that's a good connection. - Okay, great. - That's a good spiritual connection. But I feel like this is, you sort of like, still have this, even though I feel like, you've always had this grunge quality to the music. I feel like, you never have to claim it or sort of like brandish it too much because it's just like you are like a Washingtonian. And like, it's like, I feel like. - This is making me feel so good right now. - Really? - Yeah, it's like a Washingtonian. - Washingtonian. - Well, just that you're acknowledging or noticing that those elements of grunge and my city and just kind of shameless, dramatic rock and roll that sort of, like, others under the surface of everything I do. - 'Cause it's under the surface. 'Cause I would never, 'cause would you ever say that it's like, bin surface in the albums? - I mean, there are like a few times where it'll become over, but it's always there. There's always this kind of like, there's always this, I'm on the edge of saying, "Fuck it all the time." And my voice says, "Fuck it all the time." And it falls apart and breaks apart in ways that I'm not ready for, I'm not prepared for, but like, that I'm willing to just kind of tumble through that what's gonna happen mentality when I'm singing big. And I don't ever wanna like, lose that. I don't wanna learn how to control that part of it. - Wow. - But I do a test, like, I think that's a Seattle molecular Seattle, like infiltration into my singing. - Where it's like, where it's like the music, like Seattle having its own, like music row, like Seattle having this like tradition as like a music town, kind of like, is the hub for you to then be like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna have this relationship with Dolly for country, not like, not like, not like to John O'Brien, but like with Joni for folk and with like Elton for like rock, you know? It's like, it all kind of, Seattle is the source for that for you. - Yeah, it's like the lens through which I see all of them, too, you know what I mean? - So, but all those things are also definitely true. I'm having like, really a lot in this style, in my mind right now because of the stuff you're saying. - Well, this is what, this thing that you're saying about your voice not necessarily being prepared of everything, but you singing big, like one of the things I was talking to Doug, our coach about was like, again, I'll say the fearlessness of your vocal and to hear you say your voice is not always prepared for it, but you are singing big. Your, you are just an instrument and I feel like you sing like in fearless ways and I guess what I mean by that is like those breaks in your vocals, like the ways that you approach vibrato and the ways that you really are an actor in your songs. Like there's so many elements of your music and even the songs that you cover, which are so gargantuan and there are such tasks, is there anything that scares you vocally and if so, like one of those things because when you listen to you, you're listening to someone without fear. - Hmm, as a listener. - It all really scares me vocally. - Really? Yeah, absolutely. Like I'm always kind of like sipping on this perfect cocktail of paralyzing fear and like confidence and the belief that whatever happens is meant to happen. - You would never know and you write such difficult stuff for yourself. - I know, what is my wife's say? She's like, you've created a rule for your own back with that one, friendie. Oh, you're gonna have to hit that note for you. - I know. Like what have I tasked myself with again for every show? - But it's a choice that you're making because it's like, Marin was saying, it's like you are singing in the original key. - Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I will change that key if I need to be like, I don't know problem. - No, I mean, I wanna go straight. I wanna be Leonard Cohen, Johnny Cash, like when I'm in mind. - Yeah. - He's like, I'll drop that. - Yeah, yeah. - But like right now it's the original key and honestly, because I am not like living the same lifestyle I was when I was younger. It's actually easier for me to sing now than it ever was before. - So what is that? What have you cut out entirely? - Oh God, I mean, alcohol when I'm on tour. - Yeah, when you're on tour. - Yeah, and my like, rules around eating and what I eat and when I eat and what I do. And then I have a vocal coach like you, guys do. - It's a little different. - It's very unsexy, but like I become completely owned by my ability to hit the notes. - Yeah. - That is like, I'm an athlete every night. I'm thinking of it that way. And I don't know why I envision this. Like maybe you guys do this. I don't think the audience does what I think they do, which is sit there and go, can she do it? Can she do it? That's what I think that they're all doing. It's not what they're all doing. - Like they're like Olympic judges. - Kind of. - That note was not clean. - Yeah, but is it what you do? - It is. - Can we project that onto the audience? Oh, as audience members, is that what we're doing? - Is that what you do? - No, I think, I mean, I'd rather it all be perfect, but I think something that you probably now know from years of touring at the level that you do, which is they are there for the experience, not they're not there in judgment. They're there in excitement. - Yeah. - And, you know, I've been playing, I've been on the opposite coast of you every single time, but my best friend Melissa and her husband saw you at the key form. And Michael had never seen you and never, like, wasn't familiar, but Melissa and her best friend Taylor were like huge fans. And so he got there and they said they were all sobbing the entire time and then Michael Turner was like, I love Brandy Carlyle. And then he wasn't familiar, but then he became like such a diehard fan. And your live experience, they said it was so clear that everyone was there almost in like pilgrimage and that it was the lesbian convention and that everyone was incredibly keyed in an respectful and everyone left in a very tight formation. And it was a really, it was a beautiful exesional. - Exesional. - It was professional. And that the experience of being there was like truly, like everyone was there just in excitement. So they were not like, well, she missed that one because it doesn't happen, eh? I know what it doesn't. I know that you're what you're saying is true. And I'm one day gonna be able to fully let that in and stop believing that when I sing it's about to be scored by Olympic judges. And then I think when I do let that go, that's when I'm gonna do the real shit. Like that's when I'm gonna take some real risks, you know, because I actually think it might be just a little bit repressive and something I'm gonna untangle before I'm 50. - Before you're 50. Now, do you feel does this sentence ring true to you? I perform behaved differently because I feel like I'm being watched. Like that, like the idea of being perceived is the thing that's like, yeah? - Well, yeah, I mean, is it that way for you? Like as we've become public people, it's hard not to think that way. And it has like positives and negatives. Like you do something normal at home, something domestic and you're like, I don't know, that was cute, I wish 10,000 people saw that. - Yeah, great. - And then, you know, but then you have like normal everyday interpersonal mistakes. You know, like, you know, I'm a little bit too hard and one of my kids or something goes wrong. And then I feel like extra sort of scolded by people that aren't there. - I see. - Yeah. - But I feel like you've really done a, you've made a beautiful thing happen for yourself. I've not made it happen for yourself, but you have been surrounded by people. Like, I think that's like a beautiful sort of like hallmark in the Brandy car loud story, which is like, you are like, you're with the twins, you're with Catherine, the kids are with you. Like, you are not alone, you know? And that I think is-- - Oh, being alone is the worst. - And you guys are talking about, like, you and I think you and Colbert were talking about this. I feel like it's like being alone is being alone is fine until it's not, and I love it. I love it too much. - My wife loves it too. - So then how does this work for the two of you? Where it's like, you don't like being alone, but she does. Like, what the-- - Ever? - No, what about you? Do you? - No, I do need to be alone sometimes. Like, Fraser and I are distant, so it's like, if I wasn't okay with that, that would be a horrible thing. - Yeah. - No, I feel like you, it's the key is like, if you don't like to be alone, like, I really don't like to be alone. - Yeah. - If that, you kind of learn to be alone with someone. Like, if you come over to my house, I'm not gonna stop everything and host you. - Of course. - Like, I'm gonna let you in and show you where the refrigerator is, but whatever I was doing, I'm probably gonna go back to doing it and you can join me, you can not join me, I want you there, but I don't want to have to interact. - Right. - You know what I mean? - I'm 100%. - And so, like, that is just, I've just kind of been able to hold onto that. And it's weird because the more people you put around you and the more intimacy you're able to sort of cultivate, I think that, like, the more you can get away with that shit. - Yeah. - And then you never have to be. - Which is being like, "Hey, I just come in. There's the fridge, like, what do you mean?" Like that shit. - Well, I just think people can fight, like, I don't get to be alone with, I don't get to do what I want. - Oh! - Yeah, you're right, you're right. Well, being alone with someone, so being alone while someone else is there, is also a marker of true comfort with that person. - Yeah. If I'm ever feeling like I have to fill the silence a lot, or entertain all the time, I'm like, "Well, this is supposed to be a person that's close to me in my space. I don't have to be talking the whole time." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - Yeah, you know, it's, but it is, I don't know. For me, like, I sometimes think of silence means, like, it's going bad. - Yes. - Silence is foul air. - Totally. - That's also because you guys live in a city, like a major city. Do you think you'll always live in a major city, New York, or LA? - He's heading out. - No. - Who have designs? - Where would you go? Because, like, I do, I think that, like, being able to step in and out of show business and the music business is like a really kind of peaceful, a way for me to keep my sort of inner peace and compass point in the right direction. - Yeah, yeah. - Not saying that you can't live in a major city and be in show business, not so bad. But, like, do you ever see yourself living outside of? - Sure. Like, I honestly, I'm like, I'm so jealous of you. Like, you're building a dining hall. - Yeah. - That's amazing. - Literally, right now, it's called the Commons. Are you making a joke 'cause I really am. - No, no, my face is in it. - I'm tracking your, I'm tracking this show. - We're tracking your dining hall construction. - Where are you with it? - It's actually going, let me just, I just, a little while ago, got the text that we passed framing inspection. So we can-- - Let's go! - Whoa, what are we thinking? What's the color, what's-- - I wanna do the color drenching thing. - What's that? - It's just like too much social media. But, like, I'm just so beyond the millennial gray thing, like, I wanna go like all one bold color, like a cobalt blue or a forest green. - I love that. Paint everything. - Don't be afraid of a color, right? - Don't be afraid of a color. - Yeah. - I've got what it's called superior blue in my house, where it's in the kitchen and then it's echoed in the primary and the guest room is like a forest green. - Okay. - And so I feel like this is good. I think-- - We're preparing this for you. - No, they-- - No, he's gonna lie, there's time to call. (upbeat music) - And now a quick break from our sponsor, vital proteins. - And it is vital. 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When the grade goes down, he's going to Ontario. - I'm going to Ontario. - Oh, that's what you meant. - That's what I was going to ask, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Where are you going to go? - I'm going to go to Ontario. - He's got a plan. - All right. - It scares me, it could happen tonight. But that's what they're saying. - That's what they're saying. It's tonight. We're recording this on What's the Day? - April 7th. - April 7th. Anyways, but like, he has a whole plan for when the grade goes down, and the gays have started to talk about when the grade goes down. I feel like the Lesbians have been talking about when the grade goes down for a very long time, prepared. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's big prep, it's big prep culture. - Yeah. - I think Lesbians are better prepers than gay guys. - Oh, you want us, you want us? - Yeah. - Of course. - Yeah, could you guys be rural guys? - I. - 'Cause I. - Figure it out. - I was looking at those shoes and I'm like, yeah, sorry. - No, he's sort of in a cosplay right now when that would suggest I'm gonna do a dorsiness. - It's cosplay, but I'm from a lineage of farmers. I'm from a lineage of farmers. - I'm from a lineage of farmers, says Vaughanye. - It's true. - Yeah. - I'm from a lineage of hairdressers and gym teachers. (laughing) So we can look cute while we do the ball. - But then I grab it, it works with the gym teacher. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Pass the presidential fitness test back in the day. - Ooh. - I don't know if they do that anymore. - I don't think they do. - I don't know, I think they do. - Not in the president's name. - Yeah, who can climb a rope though? - Oh, we were supposed to do that. - Who can do that? - So hard to do. - God. - Well, we had to do the sit-in reach. - Sit-in reach was-- - Okay. - That's an iconic one. - Whoa. - So cool. - So cool. - Then there's the, the wall sit, that wasn't part of the test, but that's a good one. - We had to do pull-ups. - Okay. - Pull-ups, crunches, the mile run, and there was one other thing. I don't remember it, but I think there was five elements of it. Maybe I just did five, but that was-- - Well, the rope climb. - The rope climb. - The rope climb is not something I'm familiar with. - Oh, you guys didn't have to climb a rope. - This is Washington, this is Washington. - That's crazy town. - Yeah, you could climb a rope. And you could, I couldn't even hang off the thing. - No. - I would just drop it. - What are we getting at there? - I don't know, what was even-- - Yeah, but all I ever wanted when I was younger was to be at a fancy enough high school that had the project adventure shit. - Oh yeah. They would have all this shit that was like, you could zip line, and you could do that. And now it's like, I watched the survivor challenges, and I'm like, I couldn't get through 15 seconds of this. - Like I could, but it wouldn't be fun. - No. - When I was younger, I was like, I can't wait to be on Survivor one day. And now I'm like, that looks hard. - Oh, hard. You ever watched that show naked and afraid? - Yeah. - Oh my god. - I have watched every season of naked and afraid. - You loved that, I love it with my children. I would not be able to be naked, and I wouldn't be afraid. But I could do alone, except for that I'd have to be alone. And they did have one season where they could parry you. - Okay. - Yeah, so. But I would definitely be a pretty good in one of those situations for a little while. - How's Catherine Outdoors? - Do you know what? She's like a Londoner, like I'm talking about. - Do you know what? - Do you know what? - Do you know what? - Do you do it? - I do, you spoke a little bit like your British partner. - I do this. - It's happening. - It's beautiful. I love it. - We've been married 15 years now, and I hear it all the time in myself. I'm like, what the fuck is that? - No, but it's good. - It's good, yeah. - Yeah. - It means you're listening. - Yeah. (laughing) - I always go, where did I get hate when I do this? But I go, whoa, whoa. He's like, that's not a thing. - It's not a thing. - I think it's very phrase about it. - My wife always says, I can't, I can't, I can't. - I can't, I can't. - Then I go, you can, you can't. - You can't. - So annoying with me when I do that. - It's RP, is it our received pronunciation? - I mean. - They also don't hear themselves and ending words in R, like bra. - Yeah. - They can't say bra. They say bra. - Bra, bra, bra, bra. - And I, they don't hear that R. You tell them they put in R on it, they just like flat out, no, the sky's not blue. - It's interesting. - Yeah. - I love every second of them speaking. - Oh, it's beautiful. - I love it. - It's so gorgeous. - It really is. - You guys ever like fight? - No, he doesn't raise his voice. - Okay. - It's what's her fighting style. - Oh God, she's, she rips it. - She rips it. - Oh my God, she's, yeah, she's absolutely. - Fireball. - Fireball. - Oh my God, that girl will fight. I mean, I have never fought so much in my life. - Yeah. - And I mean, I had brothers and sisters. I have like a brother that's like a year younger than me that that girl can fight. - Right. - And then just over it. - Yeah. - And it's like a second like it never happened. - Wow. - And now is that compartmentalizing? - There is that it actually is over. - Just over. - Okay. - Yeah. - It moves on quickly. - I don't think gay guys can do that. I mean, I don't mean to generalize with lesbians. I just think gay guys, they hold a fucking grudge. - Oh. - No, there's grudge holding in the lesbian community. Come on. Let's go. - I mean, I don't hold a grudge because I'm actually so judgmental that I would judge myself for holding a grudge. - Oh God, yeah. - So what I do is worse than grudge is it's a very intense judging. - Wait, I wanted to ask you about being judgmental. Because in the song "Joni," you speak about how she laughs at all the pop stars. So do you and "Joni" privately just rip the shit out of the pop girlies? (laughing) Or do you love everyone? - I love everyone. (laughing) - And asking privately on my skin. - I like, you know, my late millennial feminism won't let me rip the shit out of any pop girlies. - Oh God bless you. - I'll rip the shit out of some pop guys right there. - I love it. So do I. See, we actually are the same. Like the pop girlies, we love 'em all. - Love 'em all. - The pop boys look the fuck out on this pop guy. - Yeah, exactly fair game, yeah. - Yeah, absolutely. - And if she gets on them, I'm like, oh, John, they're really young. I mean, let's think this through, you know? - But she gets on them. - I mean, she doesn't not. (laughing) - I love that, though. If anyone's like full, I'm a pop girlie, I wanna hear "Joni Mitchell" drag me. - 'Cause she's seen-- - I don't-- - Oh, John, she's dragged me. She drags me all the time. If I have my face, it's probably a term of endearment. - Yeah, oh no, it's heaven. - Yeah, it's heaven. - You, some of these, "Joni" between Johnny and Elton, they really do, they get on your ass. - Oh, he drags. - You get easy ones. - Yeah, yeah. - Like you picked the icons of art. - The most formidable and intimidating, but so full and just here, human beings. - Yeah. - Like they're so here, like they are so present. They do not play by the same rules we play by. And it's a powerful presence to be in. Let me tell you what. - Wow. - I loved, 'cause I finally, I could say watch the doc, but like after the last time you came to SNL, I watched, I watched the 30 minute film of you and what Andrew Watts, and Elton writing together. I loved, there was a Laura Nero song that you guys covered that I fucking loved, 'cause people forgot about Laura Nero. - Like you would be a Laura Nero fan. - I fucking love Laura Nero! - Let's go. - It's such a sad gay. - I'm a sad gay. - I feel like sad gay is a thing, like it's becoming a thing. Like we talked about girls just wanna. This last year, I saw more gay men at girls just wanna than I have ever seen. - We're sadder than ever. - Yeah, and I love it because, well, the taste and music is just off the charts. - We're gonna see them all at Ethyl Cain this weekend. - Oh yeah. - She's going on the same time as Sabrina Carver, just so we're no, we're not. - Oh, that is, wait, can I say, that might be my, I don't think so, honey, but at the end of this episode is the Coachella set times have come out and we're going this weekend. I can't believe what they're making people choose between. - I know, it's tough. - Twigs and. - Lafay? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wait, why should people have to choose? - Oh, that was time. - That got very high pitch. (laughing) - I haven't even warmed up. (laughing) You're looking at two counter-tenors. I am not a counter-tenor. - I? - Well, the joke's on you, 'cause you are. Wait, we're just inviting ourselves to girls just wanna, you don't have to put us, but it's your hosting vibe, we promise to be sad. - If you come to girls just wanna, with me next year, you will be like my guests of honor. We will have such a good time and we will sing. On "Night of the Living 90s" we'll come up with 190 song. It can be as sadder as gay as we want to be. - Yes, we'll do it. - Oh yeah, we're like Meredith Brooks, we're talking. - Oh! - You know, some low affair moment. - Yep. - This is what we needed back and you knew it. - Yeah. - You knew it. - Yeah. - Because, you know, so I am of the experience of my parents did not let me watch MTV. - Okay. - So VH1 defined me, and they were the ones in the late 90s giving all the love to Lilith Fair, like my idea of sexuality is not like, you know, Christine Aguilera, like arriving on the ground. Like I appreciate that, but like my idea of sexuality is like Chenaya Twain walking on the beach. - Oh yeah. - While like someone strummed a guitar. And that was then Lilith Fair. And it was like all, like, it was like, oh my god. Like, yeah, like you said, like Meredith Brooks. I'm like McLaughlin and like, oh. Like Natalie and Brulia, like at that time, like, you know. - God, there was also another one, oh my god. No, Natalie Merchant. - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah. - Like, this opened the door. - Yeah. - So it's that, if it's that. - That sad gay, that is a sad gay. - Sad gay. - You don't have to be sad, but that being your, like, you know, proclivity, that is you. - Yep. - Being a sad gay. Are you welcome them with open arms to girls just wanna? - Oh yeah, because it's made for you. - Yeah. - It looks like it's such a, like, a fun, lively place. - Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like, that's what the sad gay is doing for people. And by the way, it's treat birds, it can be a sad gay. It's like, it is like mixing, like, on a bashed shameless expression, you know, of emotion, unguarded, with just, like, lightheartedness and overused word, but joy. - Yeah, yeah. - Just arms up over your head, dancing under the stars and screaming and yelling, like, there's no tomorrow. And then being able to, like, listen to a jewel song from, you know, 1994. - Oh God. - Laying on your bedroom floor, just crying. Everybody hurts by R&M. - Oh my God. - Thank God. - By the way, jewel. - Just by the way, jewel. - Like, foolish games. That's my karaoke song. I need to be a girl's just wanna. You guys should sing foolish games together. - Me and jewel or me and Matt? - You and Matt. - Yeah. I think me and Matt too. - I think that would be really amazing. (laughing) But you were meant for me. I remember like, I chemically altered. That I loved jewels. - It was the, it was the pause before the, ♪ I was meant for you ♪ - It was the pause for the last word. - And there's also like, she at the top. - And that's amazing. - She released the album and then she used single versions. - Yeah. - Like, there's a different version of you are meant for me and there's a different version foolish. games and like they do that they would do that back then back then there was like three versions of everything when I listen to it now history has so many voices like and there was such an emotion so many voices but when I think when she goes into the bit which is like I'm like how did she not lose is like but it's like I felt the emotion from that yeah yeah but it like for some reason it goes into something where it sounds like it could almost be parody and then is working yes that's fearless singing yeah yeah yeah literally replaced her voice that must have been what it was because it's so different there's some Shakira in there maybe the origins of the yarn you know that was the yarn out to Shakira yeah is that what you're referring to I mean there's like a yarn you know the what's the general yarn the yarn do you know no no I'm a grown woman that's for the little pop girls to do yeah what are your thoughts on cursive singing oh that's the other thing my thoughts are where did it start I well started it I can't find it like I can find the origins of all kinds of singing yeah turned into a thing right and then the originator of that singing doesn't bother me whereas like the ripple effect of it does correct but I can't find the origins of that I'm talking early 2000s is when I first started hearing yeah instead of love live yeah you know what I mean yeah yeah no I'm also trying to find it but it is it it did it took over yeah it took over yeah and it became a thing like no one can say birds everybody has bites bites bites yeah my thing my my pet peeve and look some of our some of our favorites do this is just saying the word god damn to like fill into like fill in the scansion and the syllables I think I've done that I think I've done that I think no no I think it's fine I just think it's been popular I never I never remember where but I'm sure I did no I did it I remember now it's in the it's on the album what album is it on god damn liar I say could it say anything but I said god damn did you agree that was god damn a place holder or do you stand ten toes town in your use of god damn I don't know I think it's like vacation bible school Sunday school a wana's language for like the worst thing you can say so as soon as we get punk rock we put it into anything we can but that's probably just a 90s baby thing I don't know is it not god damn is like the worst thing you can say yeah no cannot say what words could you not say okay so when I was really young it was weird things like dang and heck and we're not permitted to say dang no it was weird it's it's totally weird because like my parents are not strict people at all in fact I'm very free range human being but like for a minute there when I was like really young there were like you couldn't say you didn't like something you had to say you didn't care for it you couldn't say dang you couldn't say heck you couldn't say shoot uh anything that was like orem this and of a curse and it was like weird odd so sucks was off the table off the table yeah no but now that I have kids you know I wince when they say dang and heck and I'm like keep your mouth shut that's some dysfunctional shit you do not need to carry forward interesting that it's still let them say dang I'm heck yes for god's sake I appear after playing a prank on you huh do you think your parents are playing a prank on you yeah because right now I cannot imagine my parents having a rule of any kind like oh good yeah because there because there's like I was not the kids say what they want I don't know what that was that was some weird like that was some weird you know 1984 how Lindsey Lake great planet earth heavens gate cult religious movement that happened in the late 80s and early 90s and led the people of my parents generation to go man yes and we're seeing the repercussions yeah well it's interestingly you just mentioned uh entering into the 90s because we are now at the point of the show where we ask you about your culture your form of culture so Brandy Carlisle what was the culture that made you say culture was for you well there were so many things I feel like I had such a rich era to sort of come of age and I was born in 1981 so in 1992 93 country music sort of got big boots go and boogie came out yeah okay and while country music is getting big there is a lot happening in gay culture yeah yeah Tom Hanks and Philadelphia films where I heard the indigo girls the first time in that soundtrack right you had Katie Lang and Cindy Crawford on the cover of Vanity Fair and Katie Lang's getting their face shaved by Cindy Crawford is like one of the sexiest gender bending photos you know the 90s and then Katie Lang crosses over into country music because she was a country music singer like an opry queen Lawrence Welk show yeah you know big bone gal from southern Alberta just couldn't call her small you know she was like she was the queen in that sense you know for me and so there's this intersection happening between queer culture yeah and country music you know Melissa Atherich comes out with yes I am what else was going on I mean everybody says that you know the Ellen DeGeneres coming out moment 1997 was monumental but there was even stuff before that was happening in TV like but not nothing as important as Ellen coming out but you guys remember the audacity of the Rosanne kiss oh absolutely I mean at least it was a wild thing right yeah there was all this controversy around like Rosanne Bar getting kissed on a show so all this queer stuff was happening in not between 1993 and 1997 while country music was coming up and then country music did this weird thing it got queer and I'm not even sure that the mainstream like the rest of the world knew it but they weren't clocking we were dressing like cowboys all of our gay bars turned into get names like timber line and and you know the trucker and tracks and next thing you know there's all these gay people line dancing yep to this day to this very day like a boom again country and yeah yeah yeah yeah and so I feel like between the era of like 1993 and 1997 was the birth of the rural queer yes and so that is a formative moment in and my life because it showed me that to seem seemingly diametrically opposed things can co-exist and that's like the the queerest thing possible yeah exactly like intersecting these things that like no one would ever think to bring together and then that paved the way for Brookbeck Mountain and for and then inevitably exactly yeah to Brookbeck Mountain in the early 2000s was boys don't cry I mean I don't know if you would call that like country necessarily there's something rural about it there's something like it was right in that moment yeah yeah yeah yeah challenged people's sensibility there was also a lot of things that came out during that time that were really important boys on the side came out you're very warm would be Goldberg wow and and Merlewess Merlewess drivers was in that too uh-huh and then uh oh my was that a word time it was just before it was 2000s right oh Chris folks Chris folks and we came after that but the bird cage with Nathan Lane I still that is the movie I put on if I need to like yeah so wild to know that he remained closeted publicly through even the promotion I didn't even know this yeah well it was like he he would go out for interviews alongside Robin and they would ask uncomfortable questions over asked him Oprah asked Nathan Lane like so like just like I forget what she asked specifically Robin Williams like gets in there and the most respectful way to all involved is just like that's just like not you know we're just here portraying like we were we just had so much fun portraying this couple like let's I mean it's it's incredible and like in the atmosphere and made jokes out of it like he would to like yeah you know steer away from what was completely uncharted terrain it's just so funny to think about how maximalist country music was at that time too well we had so many divas that's the other thing too it was like there was like you we had your bet share yeah you know um your bet share pop moment and we had your we had rebuff and we have wine known a Judd by the way wine known a Judd yeah everything yeah exactly and so we we definitely had these kind of country divas which led to Shenai twin yes you know another Canadian legend like I don't know you know like I just remember like oh god one of the best ever is does he love you does he think of you oh so good that music video oh there's love no that's what I mean like that gay ass song oh like that you know every drag queen is trying to get their other drag queen to do it with them yeah what is this like you got if you know you know if you know you know and that's what I'm talking about that is the culture that is the cultural moment that most impacted me because it created a different kind of thinking of expressing have you connected with Kelly Clarkson about this we never talked about it but I feel like you guys are right there oh are we yes and I also feel like that's what I mean when I say it's not just a gay thing you're right you're right you're really like I feel like when I listen to her I listen I feel like there's like you guys sing from a similar like she can really sing yeah I mean And that girl, she is an actual freak. Her mix, like her ability to be up, and she doesn't actually have a head voice. Like it goes all the way to the top. - She's crazy. - Where her head voice would be, and she there's no break in it. And it's incredible, what she can do, how she can control it. She's steady too. - I bring her up, because-- - I said with them one thing. - Yeah, oh god. - And send it to you. - Just to please, the best ever, because she had, like, again, like, I was like 11 when Kelly was on American, Idol and American Idol exposed me so much to the other genres of music, 'cause I think it did for so many kids that age. And she sang "Does He Love You" with her idol, Reba McIntyre, on American Idol years ago. After she and one, they did like a special, and it was like, "Now Kelly's gonna sing with her idol." And it was Reba McIntyre, and they sang "Does He Love You?" And Reba did her part, and, you know, like, it was just so great. So hearing you talk about them, I just wondered. - Oh, I'm gonna tell you something so much fun then. Here's a little bit of inside ball for you about Reba McIntyre and Kelly Clarkson. So I went to the wedding of Blake Shelton and Miranda Lambert. - Wow. - I sang them down the aisle with the story. - Another era. - Yeah, back in the day. Not everybody knows this. - Yeah. - And they had a party at the end, like you would expect, and there was karaoke. - Oh. - And everybody was, like, getting drunk and singing karaoke, and Kelly Clarkson was there, and Reba McIntyre was there. - It's all off. - And they started singing together. And then they just, like, didn't get off the stage. - Well, that's fine. - The party was over, and then we had to take these, like, shuttle buses to, you know, back to the hotel. And I remember the whole shuttle bus was waiting for Reba McIntyre, and I could hear her singing "Fancy" from the bus, singing her own songs on stage, karaokeing with Kelly Clarkson doing harmonies. - I know. - And I was like, "These bitches are everything, everybody hopes they are." - No, no. - But now, you know. - It's so good. - It's so rare. - Thank you so much. - Also, Kelly's cover of "Fancy" at the Kennedy Center. Forget it. I remember it all very well. Looking back, it was a summer alternative. - You gotta do it! - I know every word. - Have you, has this been recorded you singing "Fancy"? - I get drunk and sing this all the time. - Yes! - But now in your part. - All the time. And I don't even look at the screen. I don't even glance at it. I know it so well. - You didn't let it in your bones. - Yes. - That's one of the best songs ever. - Ever. It's so dark. - It's so dark. - And Bobby Gentry. That's the night lights went out in Georgia. Same thing. - Oh, that whole, she was gonna, no one knows where she is by the way, Bobby Gentry. - What? - Yeah. - Do you not know that? So sing? - She's totally missing. She just went poof and like disappeared. And people have said that they found her and like no one knows where she is. - Oh my god, that's dark. - I feel like she was the OG Lana, actually. - Oh! - Yeah. (upbeat music) - Sometimes the butt goes through a lot. When the butt speaks, we listen. - Preparation age is the butt care expert, known for helping people care for their hemorrhoids with confidence. - And because every situation is different. 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That's just a virtue for her? - Oh, I've done several swamp tours. - Yeah, I was gonna say you'd love it. - But, what, Pacific Northwest is nice where it's like the humidity is not oppressive. - No, no, the Northwest is beautiful, but when you get on Louisiana, you gotta do swamp tours. - You gotta gotta get on the swamp tour. - Yeah, yeah. - So I loved it. - You did. - It was pouring, too, but it was kind of good. - The way they, the crocodiles, the way the alligators come up like dogs. - Yeah. - 'Cause they're like, it's time to eat them. - They just go. (laughing) - It was freakish. I couldn't believe a dinosaur was on the boat. - Yeah, but they were so endearing. - No, they were great. - Well, and you see them. And like the primitive part of you know is that they're prehistoric in a way. And you just like, you know you're witnessing something really interesting. If people live down there, they're just like fish to them. - No, my favorite was our boat captain was like, someone asked, "So how long have you been friends with this alligator?" And he goes, "Oh, we're not friends. "We're not friends." "Hey, we'll be my friend, girl." - And then shows us his pinky with one mouth. - One mouth? - He'll give me. (laughing) - He'll give me. He'll give me, he'll give me, be my friend, girl. And then we were like, "Oh my God." - It was, and they are, these people are incredible. - His name was Kelly. - Kelly. - I'm Kelly. - I'm Kelly. - I'm Kelly. - You give me. - I feel like he is one of my family members. - Yeah. - That feels like a lot of it. - He felt family to us by the end. - Yeah. - He was surprisingly accepting of our homosexuality. - Oh, we were gay guys. - We were gay guys on that boat. - Okay. - And he was very sweet. - Did you play it up for him too? - It wasn't played. I didn't need to be. Like when a, again, I almost said crocodile. When an alligator hops on the boat, gay guys are gonna scream. - Yeah. - That's a little culture number six. - Yeah, that's true. - That was the beat. - Yes, he knew the first time you said crocodile. He knew right then, and he was like-- - It's a funer word to say. No, not a good, not a good. - Crocodile is the gay alligator, and that's location number nine. Crocodile is the gay alligator. - It's just crocodiles live in a different part of the world. - That's right. - Now do you get like, I'm gonna say the word, fussy about wildlife identification, 'cause I feel like since you're a fisherman, you can, of course, you have to be like, well, that's a cod, and that's a this, and that's a that. I'm like, it's all fish, it's all in the water. So are you offended? Are you offended? When we say crocodile-- - Fundamentally offended. - Fundamentally offended, not about the crocodile thing, but when you say it's all fish, it's like-- - That's crazy. - That is a diverse spectrum of species of life. - Walk us through, 'cause it's not my culture yet. Walk us through the ocean. But watching you pull up these fish, it's incredible. My fishing season starts today, and yes, this is my-- - Pane. - It's either your New York City. - And I have, my RV is running at home. I will be in that RV, the minute I'll end, and I'll be headed out to the Straits of Wandafuka to go and catch Ling Cod and rockfish. So there are entire seasons around these species, and they can live, you know, the fish I'm talking about live in 20 to 60 feet of water. Like by July, I'll be out in thousands of feet of water fishing for halibut on, you know, underwater plateaus of 500 feet with electric reels. And then it's going to be spot prong season, and I'll be dropping, you know, spot prong cages, 400 feet down, and catching like nine-- - You'll be dropping them? - Yeah, yeah. And then it'll be dungeon-esque crab, and-- - Oh, I love dungeon-esque crab, the best crab. - Yeah, so this is what we do, come up to the Pacific, where I'll be so offended. - I'll be so offended. - I'll be at a crab restaurant. - And dungeon-esque crab, by far the best, from the Northwest. - I didn't know we had that in the last section. - And a cumymorow oyster? - A cumymorow oyster. - A cumymorow. - Is that AB? - Is that P-N-W? - P-N-W? - Well, it's originally, it would be a Japan, but we farm them, we have them around and-- - They share an ocean. - They share, of course. - And spots, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - It's conducive. - Keep, you were, sorry, you were in the zone. You were, you were talking electric cages, electric-- - Oh, yeah. - There's, I'm, I'm wrapped. - Yeah, well, there are so many different seasons and so many different fish and ways to catch them in places to go, and then all the things that happen around that little ritual, like, oh, you know, it's halibut season. We're gonna go out here and we're gonna get halibut, but when you're out there, that's when you see the orcas, or that's just off the Olympic mountains, enough to where you get this beautiful mountain view all the time, but you have to take drama meme because you're in the swells. - Yeah. - So everything has little details, like associated with it, and that's why fishing is like such an immersive culture that you get into. And you just like, you speak to people in the dock in the series of grunts instead of words, and everybody gets called Captain, and nobody's a singer, or, you know, it's like-- - Everyone's on the same level of the open seas. - Everybody's on the same level on the open seas. - You ever come face to face with a great white? - No, we don't really do the shark thing out there, but we, we know, we see a lot of orcas. - Absolutely. - They're just as dangerous. - They are scary, but they're beautiful. - They're so beautiful. - You've got sea lions out there. - Oh yeah, they're huge, huge. - I love them. - They're amazing. - Yeah. - I like it just flop everywhere. - I agree. - They just like slug into the water. - What say you about that phenomenon that was happening with the Orca whales a couple years ago, where they started to sort of strike back? - Yeah, they're doing that in your, it's, I do not know what to say about that. - My suspicion is that there are many things called Orca whales and that these are totally different critters than what we see up in the PNW. But, so that's what I tell myself when I'm off shore in my own boat. - Yes. - But we have not seen a single aggressive tactic from an Orca whale in the West ever. - I should hope not. - Yeah. - So you love this culture because it is completely outside of what you do professionally, let's say. - I think so. - And that is refreshing and so therefore it would be just a complete adulteration of the beauty of fishing if you were to like write music about it. Like if you, if you were to, like is there a fishing album in the future? I think if you, if Brandy Carla came out with like a yacht rock fishing album. Wow. - I could do that. - Yes, you could. - I could do it. I did see. - I'm going to do it first. (laughing) - He's like trademarking anything that could be my fishing album idea. - No, I think it would, it would, I want fishing to come into my job in a different way I think. I've been thinking about it, about what I could do to make fishing a part of my job. - A barge concert. (laughing) - A barge concert. - Well, it's not Jimmy Buffett. - Oh my God, I loved Jimmy Buffett. - We're a part of our head family. - Oh my God. So me, I got to be friends with Jimmy Buffett toward the end of his life. - That rock. - And I sang at his memorial. - Oh, you did? - Come on, yeah. - Oh, you sang. - And come Monday? - I did, I did. - Oh, God. - And before Jimmy died, I could text him from anywhere in the world and I could say, hey, I'm in, you know, I'm off of St. John. I want to go North West and I want to get some tuna. What do I do? - He would know. - And he'd go to bed early tomorrow morning. I got my guy coming to pick you up and there'd be somebody to take me on a boat from the scent by Jimmy Buffett. Or I was sent in boats by Jimmy Buffett to catch fish so many fricking times and he couldn't even come due 'cause he was doing concerts or on the road. - Yeah. - But he just wants other people to be able to fish. - Wow. - And then I would get phone calls and texts from random lesbians and they'd be like, I hope you don't mind. We got your phone number from Jimmy Buffett. - To me Buffett. (laughing) - And it's like, that's how he would make friends with random lesbians. On the water, he'd meet a lesbian couple unloading their boat and he'd be like, you all know Brandy Carlisle? - Yeah. - I'm just like, there's lesbians. - I love it. - He was putting the gospel. - Yeah. (laughing) - Oh man. - That's beautiful. - I loved Jimmy Buffett and I love his wife, Jane. - Yeah, yeah. I just like, he was a fixture in my life growing up and my dad was such a parrot head that we, I don't think he knew this was happening but he collected parrots to the point where our whole back room was just a parrot room and I was like, - In honor of Jimmy Buffett, - Yeah, I thought it's gorgeous. - It was, I mean, there were so many parrots everywhere. And then I think he was, I think he was like, maybe I've taken some parrots down because Matthew keeps freaking his friends home and they laugh at the room. - No, it's not that we, no, we didn't laugh. - He was just a lot of parrots. - Yeah. - It was just, it was just shrine to Jimmy. - Yeah. - It was amazing. - He's in way of life. - Did his family get you into Jimmy Buffett, too? - I. - Do you know any songs? - I don't know too many Jimmy Buffett songs. I love, I love them. I love a Margaritaville. - Yeah, I love Margaritaville but I'm talking about the deep cut. - The deep cut. - He's kind of like Kenny Rogers in that way. He has like all this other stuff. It's like folk music. That's just, that's kind of really take you by surprise, but he didn't worry about telling it how it was in a song. Kind of like Willie Nelson. - Uh huh. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But when even as someone who does a know where he's gonna go when the volcano blows. (laughing) - Still, doesn't know. - It's so good, he did not take himself too seriously. - No, I really am then. - I love that. I feel like we're missing. - Whoa, you know, that's actually kind of not true. That got high again. - I was gonna say white and white. (laughing) - And now I'm warming up around you. - No, but I feel like I do like in lyrics. That's why I like Sabrina Carpenter so much. - I love her lyrics. - Because she just will fucking. And Charlie does this too. - Yeah. - It's like you can tell they were just having fun and following the fun lyrically. - Uh huh. - And I think that's what gets people singing your songs forever. Like I'm working late 'cause I'm a singer. Sounds like a Jimmy Buffett lyric. - I, it does. - Are you guys into Seamat yet? - Yeah, it's like she's opening for you. - Because I'm a, I mean, I watch everything that that band does. I think she is such a star. - Yeah, we have her for like five seconds and then she will be untouchable to all of us. - Is that a great feeling though? - Yeah, because I really don't think anything can stop her. I think she's a once every 500 year star. - It's unlike anything I've heard. And it's, I haven't heard anything like her, her Euro country album like in so long. - No, Angela? - Oh yeah. - Yeah. And then Jensen McCraze opening for you. - Yeah. - We love her. - We love her. And you want to talk about lyrics, lethal lyricist, lethal lyricist. - So good. - We had her perform Massachusetts on the Cultural Awards last year. We give it a record of the year, I literally got in her DMs. I was like, hi, I'm, can you perform her in the show? She came, her brother accompanied her. She looked absolutely beautiful, performed it. So amazing. - She's got four voices and one voice like Jewel 2. - She really does, yeah. She's fab. - We did a song together actually. - Oh really? - Yeah. - God has a hit man. - Yeah. - It's a really great song. - Oh also, we cover, do you hear Mr. President? - Yes, I remember that from Pigs, yeah. - Yeah, Pink and the Indigo girls. - Yeah, she's always a girl's just one. You guys, you gotta be there. - No, we're coming. - We're coming. - We're definitely coming. Oh, that's gonna be a moment of time. - But then you're gonna be, you're not gonna be drinking. We're gonna get-- - Oh no, no, I did that. That's the way. - Yeah, let me throw that at the window there. - We'll see. - Girl's just wanna drink. - I'm so red and bloated. The tequila fully has permeated my being at that point. - Wait 'cause where are you though? - Yeah, 'cause where in Mexico is it? - It's, it's, it's, um, Playa de Carmen. - Oh! - Playa de Carmen. - It's so, Fab, it's so good and everybody there is like, it's just really, it's such a free place. Like I can't tell you, it's like, everybody there is getting a break from something that holds them back at home. Whether it's like body consciousness or a lack of safety or acceptance. Or there is something that everybody is gonna get a temporary break. break from that weekend, and then they're going to recharge their batteries, and they're going to go home and get to work. But it's that kind of an environment. That's what it's for. We don't ignore what's wrong with anything or anyone, but it's not a place to feel self-conscious or inhibited. And so it makes it really wild in the fun. It's a cathartic community experience. It is. Yeah. And it's wild. Like I'm not going to say it's not wild. We go crazy. But then somebody said about it, but it's the kind of place where if you lose your child, you're going to come back to you fed with sunscreen on. More educated. Yeah. With a better sense of the world. Yeah. I'm having a kid just so I can lose them. And girls just want to. That's amazing. It's a really good teacher idea. When I was 17, I was at Louis Fair, which was in 1997. And I was just a little punk ass baby dyke with, you know, an inch and a half of bleach blonde hair. Now I have about three inches. And I had like a big bucket of mountain dew and I was like, going back up to my like the mountain dew hut to like get my free refill of mountain dew. And this like, some lesbian standing behind me and she sees my sunburned shoulders and she's like, what are you getting? And I was like, I'm getting my mountain dew refill and she's like, no, you need to drink some water. And I was like, I was like, well, that's expensive. The refill's free or whatever and she's like, I'm going to get you some water and just hold still I need to get some sunscreen on these shoulders. And I mean, that was my experience of Louis Fair. I thought I was being so punk rocket and to go to that festival without my parents. And for 19 years, when I dated her, we actually got married. Kind of exactly. Well. Yeah. I mean, we'll be there. We've got to go. We have to catch the vibe that girls just want to. I mean, it's supposed to be because, you know, Coachella is going to make it difficult to see everyone. It's actually time. It might be time. I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm hot on this now. Okay. Yeah. Maybe you guys have about one more year of being Coachella gays. And after that, I know. I know. You're right. You're right. You got another decade. I see that. I was like, I love what I love about it is that you see everyone like I loved a couple years ago. Debbie Harry was playing Coachella. And I was like, it was clear that like so many people were there just to see Debbie. Yeah. And I love that about it. I was like, all you really need is to follow the one. You could sort of see them. Yeah. Yeah. And what I also loved is like every year without fair, without fail, I don't know why I can't speak to them. Lilith Fair. Yeah. Every year without fail, I end up discovering someone who's huge two years later. Like two years ago, we were walking and I was, it was the goby ten. And I was just like, I like what I'm hearing over here. And it was Olivia Dean. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And now she's like truly international. Johnny Loessor. Really? That's great. What a huge vote of confidence. Yeah. And like she doesn't write an essay on it. She just saw her singing and was like, that's great. Yeah. Wow. What do you think it is that gets hurt? There's like the thoughtful singing. Is it the lyrics? What pings, Jonah? I wish I knew. You don't know. I don't know. Like there's just certain things. Like even, you know, we, I watched the whole Grammys with our sat next story, you know, which is harrowing. A lot. Yeah. Because you're like, you know, that's the camera. And. And. And there were only just, there was a few things where she was like, wow. And Olivia was one of them. I love that. Yeah. I love it too. So I actually never know. I think it's like some kind of a weird light detector test she has for authenticity or something like that. Yeah. Which is what I hope it is, you know, and I think that's. Pretty powerful. Yeah. And like at the risk of sounding like horribly adressed, it's like, well, that's proof that like the her like her meter is like very attuned. It's like she's still like can watch something receive it and be like, that's good. That's. Yeah. And she's beholden to nothing. She's not beholden to my opinion of her opinion. You know, it's just whatever she thinks. I will say she is. I'm gonna say obsessed because that's beneath the journey to say that word, but she's really loves Bruno Mars. Of course she is. Absolutely loves can Bruno Mars. We don't need until Bruno Mars had played and was just like, you know, it's not like Joni can just get stand up, but she was like, I'm standing up. Yeah. I'm dancing to operta. Yeah. Yeah. She loved it. That's her favorite Bruno song. That's her. Well, she likes the psiloxonic stuff. It's so good. It's so good. It's so good. And the time getting ready and stuff. That's the thing. Ultimately, it is great. Great, great. And she always goes, I'm a dangerous man. That's kind of Joni. It really hurts. It really hurts. It really hurts. It really hurts. I love that song. All right. We got to do out of things, honey. This is, if you don't know, now you know. Our one minute segment where we take something in culture that's not so great or that we feel away about, we work it out on the remix, the podcast. We have something. Okay. Great. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts. Now, I don't think so, honey. Coachella, because the set times have come out. Yeah. By now, it will already have happened, so I already have figured this out. But I don't want to decide between some of these artists. Yeah. And you don't make it easy, too, because they're very far away. So I can't split time at the Sahara and the Mojave. It's like a true journey. And I don't think so, honey, that like Sabrina Carpenter is also not last on Friday. You know what I mean? They hit the digits at that. There's a whole bunch of stuff happens. You were excited about the disclosure after Sabrina. 30 seconds. I could be fun. He wants to catch a vibe. But basically, I'm not actually upset because I'll just get there and I'll kind of vibe out. And I will. And I'll only 40% be here on the physical plane. So at the time, everything happens. I'll be fine. But Coachella, just make it a little bit easier. There's a big confident duke-tumon and major laser. That shouldn't be at the same time. And that happens again and again. I don't think so, honey, Coachella, for this reason. I do think so, honey, that you give those water bottles out. There's only two dollars and you can refill them. You know, you could be charging $19 a water bottle and you don't do that. So thank you, Coachella. I'll give you credit for that. How many times do I have? Yeah, that's it. That's what I meant. That's it. That's what I mean. Yes. This is okay. But the water would be free. No. Would it? Two dollar water bottle like Coachella's not bad, though. That's not bad. That's refillable. You know they could be. Yeah. A lot worse. Selling the girls under the bus. We'll put in money for free waters. That girl's just wanting it. Okay. Unless you're already doing that. No. Well, you know, we had definitely have fill stations. You hydrate the community. All those things. You have a very concerned. A doating. A doating lesbian giving sunscreen and water because of that person who had that. Yeah, there's a fleet of them. They're all my exes. Yeah. Yeah. They're all 60. You can trust all of these people. I've had 10 plus year relations with each and every one of them. And that's community. Yeah. Hello. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready. This is Bowen Yangs. I don't think so. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Lesbians not being in the audience. I think that they are the true perfect receptors of art and culture. I think any time there is not a lesbian in the audience, I think we would not be where we are without lesbians in the crowd. No. I think without that beautiful sort of frequency in the communal space, in the collective consciousness that we experience in performances, we would be nothing. We would be nothing. And I feel like as gay men, we kind of are, we put our blinders on and we kind of just are performing to other gay men sometimes. And I think we need to let that go. And I need this is sort of a self-call-in, a self-check-in, a self-call-out. That I, we need to sort of 15 seconds, really excrate ourselves from this sort of potentially toxic dynamic that I'm in as it relates to other gay men. I think this is five seconds. Something that I am really willing to intentionally explore more with you. Not that we haven't done it before, but I think as we plan our own live shows, let's really talk about that. Not in a pandering way. Cool. That's one minute. I have, first of all, the only concerts I ever go to are Moona. There you go. So I don't know what you're talking about. They know the, those Moona's, they see me every show and they hate to see you coming. Are you Moona's in? I'm in love, of course. They did girls just want to. I love them. We did, oh, guess what song we all did together. What? I'm a bitch. I'm a murderer. I'm a child. I'm a mother. I'm a child. I'm a mother. Your body is always giving you signals. 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We need each other. - We need each other. - We kind of complete each other. - I do. - I think there's been less conflict though. As of like, I think in the Trump presidency, I don't think we fight as much. - No. - I don't think there's like, I don't think we're rubbing up against each other. - No, it's a lot less. There's been some cross pollination. And I would have tripped that to the younger generation. We got like the chapel room bringing us together and you know? - You must love the traps. - I love her. - Yeah, 'cause Elton was actually one of the people who was just like, that girl is special. And you're like, well, fucking. - Very early on. - Yeah. - Very, very, very early on. And then I got to, she asked me to interview her. And it's not like the easiest thing in the world to interview chapel around as you guys. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I loved it. It made me want to interview. - Yeah. - 'Cause she's just a true artist, you know? She's like, you know, she's one of those, she's not inaccessible, but she's like Seattle. She's gonna make you work for it. She's like, "Kate Bush." - You should be the like singer-songwriter producer that is interviewing other singer-songwriter producers though, because you have vocabulary for every genre. You have like, I don't know. I feel like also like someone from Seattle should be the person who's doing that. I feel like the reach you have for conversations you could have with people, you should consider it. - I will. I will. I will consider that because you're such a compliment. And I think I would really enjoy it. I'm so interested in them. - Yeah. - You know, and interested is interesting. And I think that that would be a really fun thing to do some of my time. - Just to hear you talk to chapel about like, I don't know, all of it. What I think, what it would get at something because, 'cause you know, you're right, I feel like there is, and people shouldn't be afraid to be interviewed. It's got such a weird thing because now we're having the conversation about who should be doing these interviews or what journalism is now. Like, should people be challenged, et cetera? I don't think it's about that. I just think it's about, we should have people who are genuinely interested in their subjects of interviewing. - Yeah, that's why this is such a great podcast for that reason. 'Cause you guys are just so, you know, communicative communally. Like, the fact that you are, we're so interested in each other. I feel like this isn't gonna end when we stop there. - No, absolutely not. - We're just, I'm just the fact that someone that you're, I know. - Level wants to come hang out with us. - You don't remember this maybe, but you hung out with me and my friend Josh Sharp at an after party once, and then we tried to coax you to come out to Ginger's one night in Park Slope, the Lesbian Barron Park Slope. - Oh my God, everyone would drive. - You would be mobbed, and so it's for the best. - I'm into that, I've been going out to Lesbian bars after hours recently. - Really? - Yeah, I've been doing it. - Do you enjoy a good mobbing? - I love it. - I love people. - You know what I mean, I'd like to be alone? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Come on, let's have a picture, I don't care, it's fine. - Say the thing. - No, like by the way, I don't understand. Nobody ever picked up a guitar and learned how to sing, trying to sing like Freddie Mercury, so that nobody would come out to them and go, I'm a fan. - Of course, of course. - It's like the audacity and what I do is because I want to draw people to me. People have personal boundaries on an individual level, but I think I always say, someone asked me, they were like, are you, like how is it free? And I'm like 99.9999% of people are kind. - So great. - So generous, have nothing but lovely things to say. - Yeah. - And it's like why would I, well you would never complain about that. - No. - Anyway. - It's not always fun that I have somebody put their phone in your face and say, like, will you talk to my friend? Will you sing my friend, Happy Birthday? - Really? - Will you say, I don't mind. - With the phone like this is sort of like, all right. - So now I feel like it's become Pokemon. And when it becomes Pokemon, I'm like, - I'm out. - I'm so, I'm so in a reverie. Have we done Brandy's yet? - No, we're doing it, we're doing it. - All right. - Okay, but I can't decide between two things. - Okay. - Do you want our help or do you want to go with your heart? - Okay, I'm going with my heart. - Okay, okay. This is Brandy Carlyles. Time starts now. - I don't think so, honey, the people that dodge high fives. They're too cool to do a high fives. - Right. - Do you know what I mean? Like if you put that hand up for a high five, it's like so earnest and it's like kind, and it means like an enthusiasm, like a connection is gonna happen. And if they like go to fist bump you or give you a hug or something, I call that like, "India than thou." Or like, "India than thou." It's a very indie thing to do to not high five. - I'm afraid. - And I hate that because I just think that like, when somebody is kind of being rejected for being overly eager or uncool or whatever, it triggers me like the deepest part of myself. So if I ever put my hand up to you, let's just go for the high five. Even if high five is not like in your thing, you got a high five and we got a connect. - 100. - And you know the rule at high five, right? - Albo. - To make sure elbow. You look at the elbow. - Five seconds. - And then you got that smack. - Every time. - Ernestness, goodness, kindness. - And that's one minute. - I could cry. - That, 'cause high fives are so back, we've been having a lot. - High five, like, I have never seen. - Ever seen. - I have never seen a gay person not do a high five. - Obviously if you are sensitive to, you know, you know who I'm not talking to. - Yes. - I'm not talking to the immunocompromised. Okay, so don't make it that. I'm gonna get the DNA about this. - We stayed home. - We stayed home. - I was home the whole time. I was watching survivor gaining 25 pounds. (laughs) You know, one time I was on a boat and this guy I know wouldn't do a high five. I was on a boat one time. - Your boat? - My boat, in the pandemic, it was like new boat. I was in the middle of the ocean. I couldn't see land, you guys. And I saw a kayak go by all along. And in the kayak was a man with a mask on him. (laughs) - Lesson's heart. - Dear God. (laughs) - Oh, I don't know. - I was staying with Tom Hanks in March. - That's, I gotta get in my paddles in. - Yeah. - My paddles in. That's amazing. - Yeah, really just paddling, you know, paddling really. You can see what I believe, right? (laughs) - We're liberal out here to see. - You know what I'm looking for, yeah. - Oh my God. - Well, damn. Okay, we didn't say this up top. Brandy's going on the human tour. - Yes. - I'm sitting near you. The new album, we didn't talk about the new album. The new album's amazing. - So good. - So good. - It was in the subtext of the whole time. - It was absolutely. - It was on the doc. I mean, I got nominated for a goddamn Academy Award. - And it's so spectacular. - It really is. - I know. - Like, it's just like, it's, it's a part of me now, you know? - Yeah. - It'll always be referred to in my poetry and the way that I interact with my, within my marriage, you know? And also the way I interact with myself. For anybody that doesn't know what you're talking about, that's come see me in the good life. - It's on Apple. - Yeah. And it's incredible poet, Andrea Gibson. - Yeah. - Past away left us way too early from cancer, but they did this amazing thing where they sort of documented that journey. And it's not like an end of life documentary. - No. - You know, Andrea's actually still alive at the end of the doc. Andrea's gone now, but there were so many unintended things, messages within that documentary, I think, that weren't all the best docs. Yeah. There was complicated religious stuff. There was body image stuff. There was complicated family dysfunction stuff. There are different things surfacing like they would in an end of life scenario. But I think that the most impactful thing for me was that moment, there's this moment where Andrea and their wife, Meg, they get that filter going on their phone where it shows you older and Andrea's looking at themselves as an old person and recognizing that they'll never know that person, that'll never happen and is like laughing and crying at the same time because they're in love with that image and then Meg, their wife comes on and they're getting to see their wife as an old woman and it's so beautiful because it just shows you that aging is such a privilege awarded to so few and it changes my perspective on aging and my own face and just kind of like how I'm going to enter into that chapter of life. So that documentary just, it took me out, dude. Really beautiful. Yeah. Beautiful and that you are attached to that project is so it's just a no-brainer because it's like spiritually, it's so many of the themes is connection is catharsis, it's love, it's togetherness, it's just so many things and so many things beneath the surface which is just in all of your albums, it's just I feel like you and Sarah Burellis, it's like I could listen on non, by the way, where is your musical? Oh well, I was approached about doing one that's kind of like I don't know if it's on hiatus or what's going to happen but it seems like to do the music and be a part of a musical of fried green tomatoes. Oh, that is so fab. How perfect with that. Oh, that's like, I was thinking I was like what's the property and then you just said it. Oh, that makes me so happy. I hope it happens. Yeah. So if it's on hiatus, guys, let's get it going. Well, this is the place to permanently, let's start something. No, no, we're manifesting here. This is the place to manifest. Okay, we're very happy to hear it. How great is Sarah Burellis? The best. I mean. Did you see her into the woods? No, I didn't see. Just she's just so perfect for sondheim because we're saying at the time she's such a thoughtful singer and that his songs are so full of thoughts that like she lands everything so cleanly. It's just like, you know, both your music, it's just somehow she's like an amazing like sitcom actor, like on girls' play that I'm like, God. I'm going to send you guys this video of us doing, she used to be mine. Oh, God. Girls just wanna. It was like, honestly, one of the most blissful musical like moments of my life, like, I don't know what happened. Something happened out there. Yeah. Something happened. So that's one of those forever songs. Yeah. And you know, she said that she was influenced by the story when she wrote it. That makes total sense to me. I can kind of hear it and the melody now that I think about it a little bit. Yeah. That's that really reads God. Yeah. I mean, just that, just that. I don't know. Yeah. I see it. Whatever. It's amazing. And the fact that every singer that does it, like because it's so beautifully written, it almost feels like every singer that does it is making it their own without even really trying. It's just like they connect to it. It's because lyric. It's the lyric. Yeah. It's like, suddenly that lyric becomes your tattoo and it means something to your life. And so you're emphasizing different words and different moments and it, you make it your own. That's what, that's no great lyric can be emulated. No. Not if it is able to really get, get through to a person. It's like, it's like defying gravity and that it's one of those Broadway songs where you can just watch a YouTube, if you're a gay guy, you watch a YouTube population of everyone doing it. And suddenly you're 17 minutes into a YouTube video watching Jordan Sparks' rendition of she used to be mine. Oh. And you're still crying. Like the same way you were doing Shoshana Bean did it. It's like these names are such dog whistles as well. I know. But loud anyway. I know. It's, it's one of those. The greatest YouTube like rabbit hole that I can go down and I can do it for hours. I'll get on a flight now that you can like stream. Yeah. And I'll be like, mm, five hours of Celine Dion. Yeah. And that's it. Five hours of Celine Dion. Good moments, bad moments. Just. No, interviews, anything, just all Celine Dion the whole day. Or Whitney. Those two rabbit holes are like, I could live in those rabbit holes. Yeah. Gorgeous, gorgeous rabbit holes. We're going to Paris to see her. We definitely are. At this residency. Yeah. We're not going to miss it. Because I'm not saying I won't join you. If you have room. Let's go. Oh my god. It's the whole mafia. You're doing your red rock show in September and then we're going to meet you in Paris or where we'll pick you up or something. Oh, you'd be part of. I've been to the rock. I am so dead serious when I say that this has to happen. I would love that. Let's, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. Let's plan for it. I could go to Celine with you guys. Oh, I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. It was like the great regret of our life because we were supposed to go see her. And then we were working or something and being like, oh, well, you know, Celine will always perform in Vegas. Dumbest sentence ever. And then the pandemic happened and we lost our opportunity, but we had tickets. And as someone who grew up in Montreal, like, this is my, this is, this is what my life has led up to. I'm telling you. It actually has. Have you met her? No. Oh my god. Do you think she would come on? I bet she would come on. She would be so outraged. We've now said for like probably over a year, right? Like she's our like now, because we've gotten so many bucket list like Mariah Carey came. I know. I loved that one. I mean, I could go down to Mariah Carey. I have a whole tour. I've met her once. And I know you guys have met her because you had this amazing, amazing pod and I listened to it actually just yesterday, but and I saw the clips on Instagram. But when I met her, it was at the Clive Davis party. And I was like summoned to her. Yeah. That happens. She said someone to get me. Yeah. Well, she, she, she knows what's real. She's not coming to you. Yeah. Oh my god. I've written, I've written Mariah Carey two letters. I wrote Mimi twice. Um, like once when I was a young girl, like 22, 23 and then once again, when by the way, I forgive you came out. Oh my god. People don't understand. There's crossover here. I'm massive Mariah Carey. Yes. Oh, see, but of course you are. So I get like summoned to Mariah Carey. And of course, I walk over there in my suit, you know, with like my haircut and she's like sitting in her chair and she didn't stand up. She just goes. And looked up at me and I'm like, cool, I'll get down. I'm in knees for Mariah Carey like any day. Yeah. And my bra strap is really like cutting into my shoulder. She's like, can you get it for me? And so I got to like maneuver Mariah Carey's bra strap and like make her more comfortable. And then I got down on my knees to talk to Mariah Carey. And as soon as I did that, and she asked me to move for bra strap, I was like, I knew you were a real Mimi. And she goes, thank you. So she summoned me to fix her bra strap and to thank her for summoning me. And then we got the most iconic photo. And I mean, that was our whole interaction. She never stops being iconic and she doesn't even try and talk about no great lyric can be emulated. She's full of them. Oh my god. This isn't the year. This is what I should have done. I don't think so, honey, on preemptively. If they snubber at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame this year, I'm burning it down. I'm burning it down. You should. You should. You should be the one to induct her, because I feel like I'm repost the story. I say, hello, tag the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I said, this is the year. This is the year. She even did alternative music. Yeah. Oh, on this podcast, we said to her, we brought up the grunge album, release the grunge album. And she said, I know, right? I should do that. I don't know if she forgot. And then she was like, what label do I release it on? I'm like, the one of your choosing? Let's go full sub pop. Oh, that would be amazing. Come on. That would be so good. Come to Seattle. Do it at the show box. I even said, should we sell it? Should we sell it? She was like, maybe. I was like, don't threaten us with the time of our loss. She just doesn't know how much crossover she has into everything. Right. This has been a joy and a half. For me, it's been a joy and a half for me. I wanted to do this for such a long time. I love you so much. I love you. I'm such a fan. Well, we just, we're, we're, we're just beyond to hear that. And like, we, I, you guys have met several times, but we met briefly at SNL 50 and I was floating after interaction because you're just so good. So thanks for coming. You guys are so good. Well, I guess I'll see you when we go see Celine together. I guess. And speaking of her, we end every episode with the song. I really set us up for that one. Yeah. Which one do we pick? You were my strength when I was weak. Diane. Oh, it's when I couldn't speak. Should've won for this. Well, my eyes when I couldn't see. Hey. So all the best that was with me lived in me up when I couldn't speak. You can stay with me because you believe I'm everything I am because you love me. Remember that? Yeah. Yes. Los Culturistas is the production by Will Ferrell's big money players in my heart radio podcasts. 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