Wally Baram Loves Snakes

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We got the perfect dose of comedy. 30 minutes of Scrubs. Zach Braff, Donald Faison, Sarah Chalk, and the rest of the gang at Sacred Heart are back for a brand new season. We play medical doctors who are besties. Just like in real life. And we'll definitely be up in each other's cases. Scrubs premieres tonight on ABC. And stream the next day on Hulu. Side effects may include laughing, cheering, and lots of high fives. I'm no Superman. Wave. But a lot of straight men are incurious, and I don't think that it makes them evil, but I think that their lives and the lives of people around them, and ultimately then the world, would be better if they would pursue some curiosity in their lives. You know what I mean? That was awesome. I'm so bad at being bad at stuff. It really upsets me. Yeah, I get that. And it's become like pathological. Like, I hate being bad at stuff, and I'll do anything to not be bad at something. And I'm like, exposure therapy, actively trying this decade of my life. I think my 20s were all about mastering and figuring out comedy. And I don't know that I've mastered it, but I mean, like, I got really good at like what I do. And I figured out like how I write jokes and what I think is funny. And that took a decade or more. And now I'm trying to make my 30s about being bad at stuff again. Hmm. Because I hate it. Yeah. I hate, it makes me, do you have this? I have almost the reverse of that. You love it. I'm so willing to be bad at something that I can't take a signal. No. I like tried to surf for so long. No one has ever been worse at surfing than me. And I like kept trying and trying and trying. And at some point, even my friends were like, maybe you just, maybe you just don't do that. Maybe you're not a surfer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I have the opposite, but I could use that. I could drop, I should drop things. I should stop. I should stop doing things. I don't know that you should. I think it's really, uh, I think it's an exercise in humility. I think it's so good to be bad at things. And I'm so, I am, like I said, it's become like a pathology. Like I literally can't, uh, what does pathology mean? Am I using that correctly? Like I said, pathological and it felt right. And then I said pathology and I'm like, am I right that that is what that means? Pathology is the medical science branch focused on studying the causes, mechanisms, and the extent of diseases to enable diagnosis and treatment. What does pathological mean? Run pathological up for me real quick. Uh, relating to pathology, that's not fair. They need to work on that. No, but it's become like a thing that I'm like, I might have a, I have like a crippling fear of being bad at things almost, and I'll do anything to get out of it. So this decade of my life is about being bad at things on the way to being good at them. And it's actually so funny because my brain. My brain is a fascinating site where I can turn anything about myself. Like I literally am like, I'm going to be good at being bad at things. And it's like, stop. Like it literally is like, I'll do anything to get, you know, like it's really, really, really clinical. It's crazy. Are you trying to get good at things that are also, are we, how do I know when we're going? We're going now. Oh, we're going right now. Okay, good. Um, how do you, or are you trying to be good at things for like professional, uh, like, like you're trying to be good at, at, oh, um, you know, within professional realm or like hobby stuff? Uh, I would like to have hobbies and I want to be good at things. I do have, I have hobbies. Like I like to read. I like to bicycle. I like to go to museums. Like I am not. You like to bicycle? Like around on the street? Yes. Do you like it? No, I'm terrified of it. Really? Yes. And it feels like such, it feels so dangerous and people look so just like idle minded when they're doing it. It feels like. It feels like a duck before it's about to get, well, that's brutal. It feels like a duck before, well, that, uh, I don't know. I'm just, I was fascinated by bicycler. Do you do it for like, oh, I'm going on a little trip or you go in places on your bicycle? Oh, I, to me, a day of traveling, like if I'm in a new city, my favorite thing is to find an e-bike and hit the town. I like to bike all over the place. That is a day of activity. That is a day of activity for me. Just biking through the city, stopping when I want something. Like I'll be like, oh, I want a coffee. Let me go find one. And then I'll bike to it. Do you wear a hard hat? Uh, I wear a helmet when I have access to one, but I'll admit a lot of times I don't. And that's really bad. And people should not be doing that. It's scary, man. It's really bad. You guys need to wear a helmet. Me on the other hand, it's complicated, but I know you should. It's just like, sometimes you're in a different city and you don't have a helmet with you and you want to hit the e-bike. Sometimes you want to hit the e-bike. Like you want to hit, yeah, you want to hit the e-bike bad. And am I scared? No. I think like, look, if that's the way I got to go, like if I go out on an e-bike in Paris, take me. Do you know what I mean? Like people go in such worse ways. I think that all the time, my hobbies are always like very, I have very like adrenaline. To be fair, I'm talking on the smack on a bicycle and I'm very like, my hobbies are like, I like to like go fishing, but in the way where you like stand in the water and so all these like, you know, the waves are kind of coming at you or. I've seen you with a snake wrapped around your neck. Yeah, I like snakes. I like snakes. So, and I, but I, and I feel like, okay, if I'm going to go, let it be this, like this is going to be sick. I'm going on this like motorcycle trip in Mongolia over the summer. And everyone's like, aren't you afraid? Well, I guess that's a cycle, isn't it? Hello. But it's a cycle that's way more dangerous. I'm talking about biking on a protected lane in Brooklyn and you're talking about riding a motorcycle in Mongolia. Mongolia is true. But I think there's something about a motorcycle that acknowledges the danger of the situation where it's like, yeah, we're, we're, we're, I can't defend it. No, that's really fair actually. Yeah. I think there is too, I'm a prime example. There's a too relaxed of an attitude about bicycling. I get on that thing and I'm going 15 miles an hour, no helmet, smiling. Like a, like a, like 15 death machines aren't passing me per second. You're humming. Thousands. Oh, I'm singing out loud. I literally, I can't tell you the number of times. If I can't tell you the number of times on a bike ride, I want to cry because I'm so happy. I love it. It's so fun. Oh my God. It's just fun to move quick through and you're like in the world, you can see things happening. It's fun. Also, this is a fun position. This is fun. Yeah. And when you get to go around a pothole or something, it's like, hello, bike. Okay, wait, hold on. He's king of town. How did we end up at snakes? Oh, hobbying, hobbying. No, I'm saying how did you end up at snakes? Oh, oh, I thought you meant the conversation. Uh, how did I? It's a story that's like, I wish it was a different story because it feels like I prepared this story, but it's just how it happened. I was in high school and I was started at like, went down like a rabbit hole on Reddit of ball pythons and I thought they were so cool. And then I was talking to someone that I was buying weed from about it and he was like, oh, I got tons of ball pythons. I breed ball pythons. And I was like, whoa, that's crazy. I have tons of ball pythons. It was crazy. Well, people that have ball pythons have tons of them. They're like, they collect them. Um, and then he was like, I have to go away for a while. This is then cut to some time. He said, I have to go away for a while. Um, will we, you take the ball pythons? And I think he, he said he was going to the army, but I don't know. What are you going to do? And, um, and then he. He was like, I need to leave. You need to take these ball pythons. And I was like, oh, okay. And then I took his, I took all of his ball pythons. And then I was like, well, this is way too many. I, yeah. How many are we talking? 12 ball pythons. Right. And I was like, I got to get rid of these things. And so then I took him to the, um, pet store and I was like, how much for all these ball pythons? And they were like, we don't have enough money for all these ball pythons. And I was like. Wait, he gave you an expensive amount of snakes for free? Yes. Which makes me think that he was going away in a bad way. Maybe he was, I don't know, to this day, I'm searching for this man. He was on the run. Yeah. Um, and so I took him to the pet store and they said, we don't have enough money to, for all these things. And, and, uh, and so then I was like, okay, I can either sell these off individually or our, this is an enterprise. Yeah. And so then I started breeding ball pythons. Either I can sell these snakes individually, or of course this is an enterprise. Yeah. Yeah. So you start breeding them. So I started breeding. Yeah. And then w what do you do with all you sell them all? You sell off the. babies then you sell off the babies i did mostly stud service which is i had expensive males and then i would give the males to people with females and then they would raise the the or they would have the babies go through the gestation period um you know actually then have the eggs and then i would get a percentage of what you sell before like 12 it's something very small if i'm just providing the male because they're doing everything so everything anything from like well depending on what my relationship is with a person if i'm like just trying to get in with this person it would be really low yeah but if it's someone that i like a rapport with then it would be up to like 30 yeah yeah wow yeah crazy it was how much how much money are we talking how much does a snake go you can tell i mean like it's crazy there was some i was living i did it during my gap year i took a gap year and then that's when you dropped out of um you were at barnard yes yeah and then went up there did a year there and then ended up i lived off campus in like an apartment off just snake money on in one bedroom okay i have so many i have so many questions sorry gap year was between high school and barnard yes yes so we took a gap year this is when you start breeding the snakes yes and you get enough snake money to go and live off campus at the time i wanted to live on campus at first then i was living on campus and i was like this is no one i just felt so i wasn't into it and so then what did you feel what did you feel i think i felt my high school experience was really particular and i i went to like this school where you kind of like lived on a ranch and this is another like there's a lot of lore i lived on a ranch and take care of a horse and you had like so much responsibility and like you were doing laundry you were just like living on your own very much and so then i went to college and i was like oh i'm already an adult and you guys are like how do i do laundry and i was just so not there you had already taken care of the horse exactly exactly it's like none of these girls have taken care of a horse i gotta get the fuck out of here truly yeah i feel that i understand i mean i've not gone through that but i can imagine yeah i just felt older and i and also like no one was partying and they were like really there was like no one was you know hanging out in the dorms in that way and i think it was because the ras were really on top of shit um and and then also i got in a lot of trouble for various things so it was so the snakes i did have the snakes so there were the snakes in the dorm and then there was also this time that i tried to brew my own beer and because i was like you didn't want to get a fake id right so you could not figure out how to get one of these things yeah it was so hard to get a fake id yeah it was so did you have this experience i wasn't trying to get a fake i wasn't cool really you you didn't want to were you like not did you not drink in college i just don't well no i went to a state school in missouri so getting alcohol was not an issue um you you didn't need any kind of identification yeah to get alcohol we got alcohol when i was like 14 it was no problem people's parents were happy to give it to us um but i no i just have never been interested in bars or like truly when my friends started going to like the college town bars i went to the first couple times out of curiosity and i just walked in and i was like oh my god i'm gonna get a fake id and i felt like a 65 year old queen like i was just like oh it's loud i hated it and i still do it's just not my it's not my scene i hate it yeah i but you wanted a fake id to go to it at the now i hate it as an adult i hate it and in a way i think i had that experience in college where i just felt oh i felt like what are we doing here um but also i did want to party and i couldn't get a fake id so i tried to brew my own beer and i was like this will be great i'll sell it um and then uh i love your entrepreneurial mind every every it seems like at least during this period of life every day you're waking up and going i need to capitalize i do think i've always been kind of like hustlery i don't know for whatever reason um and then i got caught with the with the uh with the beer and then it was clear that that was i had to like write a letter to an ra and i was like this is gonna be a whole thing write a letter to the ra right like i got caught and they i had to write like an apology letter my shit with authority i would have killed somebody i'm not gonna write a letter to an ra yeah you can kick me out before i do that that's crazy it was so like it had to be really patronizing you know um write a letter to my peer who like signed up to be a part of the ss like no i'm not writing a letter to my peer who's like a dorm police that's crazy all because you brewed some beer exactly god that's stupid really that's how i felt at the time and then i was like yeah and then i got an apartment you got an apartment so you could breed the snakes yeah now how much are we selling a snake for you could sell a snake for like anywhere between i mean within one clutch depending on how you've like done do you remember in um in biology class punnett squares oh i know of them yeah yes okay top right you're gonna have red hair or whatever the fuck exactly yeah it and you were like whenever i ever gonna use this yeah snake breeding yeah yeah true and uh it's so you're like you do your punnett squares to make sure that okay how am i gonna make the most out of this clutch and so you might sell a snake for like 50 and then you could sell a snake for like twelve thousand dollars shut your goddamn mouth have you sold a snake for twelve thousand dollars wally wow i know what what was so special about it um it would it had this it had two genes that were really like prized one was silly it was silly and adventurous i'll take it for 12 000 goofy little jeans um it was it was it's called exanthic it's um like this gene that is high black and white is what it looks like almost like a checkered board a little bit like teeny tiny checkered boards it's skin does it's skin does this is all in the skin okay gotcha yeah oh that's what this is all about all about the skin okay okay i didn't know if it was like this one slithers faster than the others it's all about appearances all about appearances i was briefly in a snake group and i learned some of this what yo yeah did you not know this no well this is a joke i used to do but the the i basically i used to when i started comedy in chicago i would join uh any facebook group i could get my hands on oh yeah they're big on the facebook group oh yeah i was just trying to see how people lived i was in like a truck driver's group in tulsa i would it started in college actually i would join other colleges uh like class of 2020 and i was like oh my god i'm gonna do this class of 2021 uh groups or whatever and i would uh i guess the time it was like class of 2018 but i would join their groups and just like start posting i'd like google facts about their college and i'm like who's hanging out at the johnson squad uh johnson quad today and i would just see what people said um i was unwell and i joined a snake owners group and i learned that there was originally i joined it was called snake owners and then there was another group called snake owners parentheses nice people only because the first snake owners group there was a lot of bullying of the snakes there's it's like if you're in a snake group you have to be so like fastidious about your your yeah i don't know what fastidious that just came out of me fastidious no you're right is that right like yeah like concentrated like focused okay fastidious about your um husbandry because if you post a photo and you're like what's wrong with my snake and they're like the humidity doesn't this tank doesn't look like it could hold humidity or like why do you have aspen instead of cedar wood chippings like they're so aggressive they're so mean the the people i saw they the they were not going after the environs they were going after the appearances they were saying your snake is fat he has bad markings he's ugly like they were being mean they were being like this snake is ugly and then in a new group they were like hey like only tell me if my snake has cancer or something like i don't want you to call him ugly like people are getting really defensive of their snake that is awesome and i see that too i mean like people i've been talking to feel like they're so i mean i don't know about ugly but they're so like if your snake is obese or too skinny or has dry skin they hate eczema in the snake community yeah it's like they really get how do you have to do lotion your snake uh i give him baths oh god i'm so sorry it's it's not i'm it's i just am very that makes me really really really i do not hate snakes you can hate it's okay i really don't i don't ever want to touch or see one yeah i get it but i don't hate them and i love your hobby yeah if i touched or saw one i it just makes me really the idea of like when you give him a bath well how do you do it like show me on the mic i just i okay well i get a big piece of tupperware no it's not i don't i just you just put him in there i just put him in there and then i put a lid on and then he's slithering and try to getting out that's his own bath so it's really just that's worse although sometimes sometimes um if they have a bad shed you'll put this thing called sheddies on them and it's like a little lotion and you just kind of yeah it's it's i guess tough that is really like if i had to watch you do that with lotion on a snake i'd be like you're a super villain that'd be really scary for me to watch but i love i'm interested so 12 000 xanthi xana xanthic xanthic makes them black and white checkers and also i'd have um scaleless with like scaleless is like a big scaleless is that really hard to get it's you have to breed for it because you're constantly breeding snakes with less and less scales with snakes and less and less so if you get like a totally scaleless xanthic you get a totally scaleless xanthic snake sorry there's like world war 3 going on in the hallway there's something wrong with people in this building you get a totally scaleless snake with xanthic little markings he's going for 12,000 yeah it's like so specific on who the parents are like what the recessive genes are but you can get I mean like even like super rare like 30,000 dollars a snake I've never sold a snake for that amount of money but you've sold for 12 is that the most you ever sold a snake for? that's a lot and I'm not even sure I should have sold it for 12 but cause I wasn't well blowing ad budget on metrics that look great till the CFO sees them that's bull spend and marketers are calling it out in dashboard confessions I remember telling my boss it'll be good for 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tonight on ABC and stream the next day on Hulu side effects may include laughing, cheering, and lots of high fives he's not going to watch this I don't know I'm not entirely sure what the genes of the grandparents were but I ultimately it was like I just gave my snake over to the guy you think you should have charged more? I think I should have charged less that's not your problem though you as the snake proprietor if a guy's willing to pay 12 for the snake you give him the snake for 12 I mean it's not like you ripped him off because it's not like a car like if he was like a single parent and you sold him a minivan that you're like the brakes don't work you know what I mean that would be fucked up but like the snake it's like if you've got 12,000 for the snake do you know what he did in life? like what does he do as a job? all these people it's such a so I go to these reptile conventions which is where you sell a lot of these snakes it's where Rose Byrne recently said her Bobby Cannavale yes he couldn't be at the thing because he was at a reptile convention he's at Repticon yeah that's what it's called it's called Repticon yeah and you go and it's the crazy honestly if this group of people worked hard enough they could solve a lot of cultural differences because it's some of the most conservative just like bearded tattoo MAGA guys but then also like it's a lot of people of color it's a lot of people in the hood it's like it's really everyone is there it's but also it's like like billionaires that just don't know what to do with their money it's the most bizarre and it's all these like tough guys trying to prove their masculinity by being like look at my little pet lizard it's crazy this is the furry community as well if the furry community and the reptile loving community could get together and get organized they could do because most furries are like dentists and shit whoa really? being a furry is very expensive you know what? I would imagine because they have all of that like mascot costume I'm like this thing has to cost a lot of money and you know what? a lot of I thought the whole point of being I slept with a furry once I thought the whole point what? he wasn't in costume he was human but we did it human mode but he I think he I think there here's the thing though I learned from him that he's a great guy I just saw him recently actually we're friends now but he well he is he okay with does he mind you talking well I guess you're talking about him I'm not saying anything about him I don't know I've not asked him because if I were going to reveal intimate things I would ask but what I learned is a lot of people in the furry community I always assumed that the whole point was to fuck in the costume I'm like you become the wolf to fuck as the wolf but not the case you become the wolf to fuck as the man well sometimes they won't fuck in the costume a lot because they're so expensive you can't risk coming on it or mat the fur you don't want to mat the fur no yeah because you can't get that stuff out of the fur so you don't want to mat the fur so they won't a lot of times you don't want to mat the fur yeah they'll be like yes I cosplay as a yes I'm a hawk but I do I will not fuck you as the hawk but are they when they fuck you are they mentally the hawk you know it's a question that I would love to ask maybe I should get a furry on that would actually be really interesting let's make a note I think it would be interesting to talk with a furry because I don't know if mentally they're the hawk I think part of it is like maybe it's like foreplay like they get off on walking around the conventions as the hawk and then they go and I think some of them do fuck in the fur some of them fuck in the costumes some of them have costumes that are designed for fucking I believe like it's just a head and some shoulder piece and then the rest is like they wear like a jockstrap or something like a centaur no totally reverse centaur reverse centaur yeah human hole and animal head and I think that's beautiful but what I'm saying is the furry community and the reptile community it sounds very similar where it's like people with a lot of disposable income that don't they don't really care anything else about you I'm feeling furries might be a little more like lefty I think like politically lefty on purpose but the point is I think these two communities could really change the world and I don't think I want them to but they could I think I like I didn't mean to if I sounded like I was shitting on furries I feel like I feel like we need more things like this I was thinking of my when I was thinking of my so true I was like one of them could be but I don't think this is it but yeah burn this one now we'll get to the real one later I feel like we need more hobbies I feel like people need more hobbies it's such like I feel this with fly fishing too where it brings all these different people together because I love to fly fish and I'm always out with like some I just went out in Tennessee with a guy that I don't know his politics I definitely don't think they were close to mine based on the day we had I'm just thinking probably not voting the same yeah but I think that we could find common ground in a way where he would walk away being like yeah I think maybe we don't build a wall maybe you know I just met a delightful Mexican you know I don't know that's really beautiful I love that I hope that that's true are you what are your hobby you bicycle do you have any hobbies that are like being anti-immigration yeah I'm helping out on the wall a lot which my hobby yeah I like I like to bike I like to read I like to go to museums I'm trying to think if I have other hobbies I'm learning guitar I'm trying to get better at Spanish my Spanish is humiliatingly bad um and you were taking a lesson yeah I have I was taking lessons for a while but I wasn't practicing because I was so busy I was trying to take lessons last year and I was so busy last year that like I wasn't doing the work I needed to do outside of class so it was mostly my poor sweet teacher just being a little frustrated with me but I'm trying now I'm like back at it um it's so hard to practice Spanish it's so that one maybe is where I really relate to I'm and although maybe this more has to do with my identity politics or not is that the right use of identity politics I don't know I liked it regardless thank you yeah um that it's so hard for me to be bad at Spanish out in the wild yeah where it's so shameful and I'm like I feel like I should is that how you feel when you're when you're upset that you're bad at something where you're like I feel like I should be better at this uh uh yes and also I think if I'm being 100% honest with myself it's that I'm used to being good at things and I but I think I've also self-sorted to only spend my time on things I'm good at and so I it has like reinforced a narrative to me that it's like I'm good at things when I first try them and it's like no you have self-selected things that you would be good at to avoid failing and I only ever really let myself fail at comedy and it was like one of the most difficult and rewarding things I've ever done but I'm I want to like I want to get rid of this unhelpful narrative I have that I'm good at things it's a totally useless narrative it doesn't matter it's not interesting I just want to I want to be somebody who tries I think that's so much cooler growth mindset growth mindset what about you do you feel what is your um um : do you feel that you're good at things inherently or do you have to work really hard no I definitely don't think I'm I think I'm maybe I'm I think I'm maybe I'm actually hmm maybe I no I don't think I'm good at things yeah it's the truth I don't think I'm good at things are you competitive yes I feel I'm really not competitive and I've always attributed it to the fact that I'm not good at things and I'm like well if I thought I could win the race maybe I would be competitive but I've always been not super athletic genuinely I'm not super athletic unintuitive which is why comedy I do think works so well I feel like these niche things where I'm like okay I'm good at I'm good at reading books I'm good at it's which makes me good at like fly fishing or knowing about snakes or weird niche hobbies or you know I'm in a way good at being unintuitive which then I can turn into comedy so in some ways good at things but in most ways most ways like remarkably bad at things yeah like figuring out how to even I remember being in an office and everyone would kind of just watch me to figure out to watch like what is she gonna do with the fax machine and then it was just like like i was always finding out new ways in which i was doing things wrong like even in a writer's room one time i stepped in a puddle and so i took my shoe off and then i walked around all day with only one shoe on and everyone was like what are you doing and i was like well i what do you want me to you want me to wear the dirty they're like clean the shoe yeah and i was like okay i don't know like little things where it just felt like i've always done things a little off yeah but you're curious but i am curious you're very curious it's one of my favorite qualities a person can have i love that about you it's something i identified about you very like the first time i met you wow i was like i think wally's curious i think it's a cool i think it's one of the most important things that a person can be in life it's like so it just makes life so much more interesting to be curious about things and people you i have this crazy um knowledge about you and i'm like oh my god i'm so curious about you and i'm like oh my god i'm so curious about you and i'm like oh my god i'm so curious about you and i'm like oh my god i'm so it's not crazy do you feel like uh every no i was about to say i feel like a man i wish men were more curious uh straight men okay oh one thousand percent it's like our biggest problem yeah and then i was like i don't know if i can gender it and then i was like well then maybe i shouldn't say it but so that's the the times when we talk about like things that could be better in society i think we it's just removing the venom and the demonizing like look a lot of straight men are not very curious we know this the the straight men that i have in my life that i love are are curious people and they when they interact with other straight men they find the same thing that they're like these guys are like kind of boring and the thing is it doesn't mean that you're evil it just means that you were socialized in a society that has always prioritized your interests over everything and so you've never had to be curious the way that people with marginal identities have doesn't make you a bad person doesn't mean you're evil it's just a fact about you that you a lot of these guys are uncurious and they could fix it it's the same thing with like i get annoyed when people use like when people are like oh that's such a like people will be like oh that's such a uh privilege they'll be like oh that's so privileged i'm like yeah some people have privileges like i don't yeah sometimes facts are not indictments like when you go like oh that's such a white thing to say it's like well yeah that's a white person like these are not necessarily inherently bad things now sometimes they're not bad things they're not bad things they're not divergent to being not just a white person thing to say but also racist and then that's when it becomes like a problem that needs to be fixed but a lot of times like facts are just not indictments like things can just be true and you can go like oh there's nothing inherently wrong with that and if i want to fix it or change it i can you know yeah but a lot of straight men are incurious and i don't think that it makes them evil but i think that their lives and the lives of people around them and ultimately then the world would be better if uh they would pursue some curiosity in their lives you know what i mean that was awesome me rambling and you happy to listen to it awesome i was like you should run for something but don't you feel i just feel like the removing the part where people are in trouble for it is like you're in trouble just like we it's a fact that you're being kind of incurious to be cool if you weren't yeah and then we shame it and then they reject it and then so then they can't accept this this fact about themselves yeah also it is hard like i treat it i think it would be helpful if we treated the the way that when we talk about someone that's in a non-dominant group like when we talk about being socialized as a woman in america we go like when we think about like our moms for example like some of the things my mom does frustrate me to my core i love her to death i think she's a wonderful human being and oftentimes or my grandma i'll go you know she is a woman who was socialized in the 70s and that must have been so fucking hard the way that you give grace for that i think we can also do that for people we don't have to no one has a responsibility to but we can also do that for people in dominant groups of like you can have grace for someone who was socialized from a place of power as well and be like oh the reason this guy is uncurious is because he's never had to take interest in someone else and you can still hold accountable and be like that's not an energy i want to be around it needs to change but also like understanding it and not making it so evil and giving a little bit of credit to the larger forces that were that were at play do you know what i mean yes no absolutely it makes everyone untense their asshole a little bit yeah and then it makes fixing things a little bit easier you know that's how i feel that was i agree i'm not i can't imagine having anything more 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well fuck now let's see there you go yes but i want that for us and i think you could handle it so maybe i do i don't know maybe i do i don't think i would be a particularly good politician no that's not true i would be a very good politician i don't think i'm the type of person we need in politics i think i'm i think i'm self-involved i think i love attention i think i i would much rather see someone more selfless than me be in elected office but i don't know that i know a lot of those people that are as good at speaking as what you just said well this is our big issue the people who do actually important work don't want to do that because it's a psychotic the level of love you have to have for attention to do this it for most of us i don't know if you identify with that but i at a level that makes them bad public servants yeah i don't think i i don't think that that that's i think part of the problem that we have is that we elect public servants based on their ability to speak for sure yeah that's true this is not but you were also you had good ideas too but and that too yes thank you i steal those from smarter people who do more important jobs but that's those people should be those people should be you know like but anyway do you think you love attention um it's a really interesting thing because i do on social media i do a lot of some level like i like i really like that i like when people come to shows i like getting attention for the right reasons when i work really hard on a joke and it works i do love that and i wouldn't want someone else to deliver it when i'm writing a script and i imagine someone else getting to say a great line that i wrote i get jealous um like i do like to perform and get attention i don't necessarily like attention in in the full scope and breadth that i have it now in my life i don't necessarily want to um have the feeling that i do have now that every time i walk into public i'm um it's like interacting with somebody who knows who i am yeah um that freaks me out a little bit but it's part of the job so i feel i feel at peace with that level of attention and i try to seek more of the kind that i like do you know what i mean yes do you like attention i think i'm similar i definitely like attention for my anything i consider my art and my craft but i hate attention everywhere else even in like even in i mean actually this is the first podcast i've ever done did i tell you that no this is the first podcast you've ever done i've ever done yes you didn't get forced into one during overcompensating i said no to things that's really good oh no i did a small i went on and told a short story on benny and they had a the whole cast do uh ride yeah um but beyond that no because theoretically this is the i don't like um necessarily attention for my person home like if i'm in a group conversation i do not want to be center of the group conversation i want to observe the group conversation sometimes that's why i like podcasts like listen and ride is i'm like okay great i get to be with my friends but not have to speak this is awesome yeah you know but attention yeah outside of outside of the things that i i curate is i think quite terrifying then why do you do this why do i do like comedy why why why did you get into all this well i think that is i consider my art or my craft right yeah so that you're that makes total that totally lines up what you're saying that that's the thing you yeah got you got you got you got you which is kind of i don't know like i guess maniacal to only want to be understood in the exact way that you want to be understood because that's what it is in a way but but that's just the situation yeah yeah why why no podcasts until this one and why this one well this one because i listen to you and you're a joy um and clip it um but uh i mean theoretically a podcast is my worst nightmare it's like a conversation yeah one-on-one yeah that lives in perpetuity i mean that's horrifying am i i feel like i'm constantly having to battle saying something that is the right thing like i'm constantly having my first instinct is to say the thing that makes the conversation go smoother which is not always the true thing or the right thing but it's like the socially anxious answer and so then i have to battle that and then and then also my views are ever evolving so it's like oh a snapshot of where i was on this specific day i don't know that's it's like it's a bold thing to do you know it's going to exit the context like this this like i have i have learned for sure doing this that it will eventually exit the context which means that in 10 years i certainly will uh regret many things i've said on this show and that's okay like i i think that's part of our that's part of our work that we're gonna have to do as like a culture is like letting each other grow and evolve but this podcast it's so funny because things that were perfectly acceptable in the context of the moment and went fine and did great and everyone enjoyed it and understood it seven months later i'll get back to it and i'll be like oh my god i'm so sorry picked up by some outside audience or some group that isn't involved in the joke or whatever some niche of some particular corner of the world and people get really upset about it and i think really the yeah the trick is to just be like that's fine i don't care you're allowed to be upset i'm allowed to say what i said you're allowed to be upset and ultimately we all wake up tomorrow and life goes on yeah it's like whatever yeah i mean it is it for sure is scary and annoying but that's really interesting i'm surprised that you um during the press live cycle at least for overcompensating got out of doing all those it feels like they really i say no to almost everything and i even i get like hounded about that shit it's really they really want you to do it when i think i give these people a run for their money sometimes when i say no i'm like no no yeah this is not happening or or i'll do things that they're like why are you doing this or i don't know i feel like i don't have a ton of strategy when it comes to this which sounds like such like i'm such a normal girl thing to say but you know what i mean i just because when i'm uncomfortable bad things happen it's it's not ideal for anyone yeah i'm like they keep trying to make me do um in-person meetings and i'm like if i go in person i will get nervous and i'm not gonna do good work i'll say crazy things i will ruin all of our careers do not send me in there yeah yeah i did a meeting recently and then they sent like my agent a and they were like yeah we love the story about how like while i got sober and i was like it and what did you tell we don't even know this story and it's just like i have no there's no ability to think you know it's just whatever how do i navigate this conversation while still talking it's like the path of least resistance path of least resistance is exactly my social yeah my social strategy that makes sense it's not easy it's like a really i think we don't give enough credit to how hard it is to socialize there are so many things i've really reflected on this a lot in the last couple of years because i there's a um keep going back and forth about how i want to there's a kid in my life that i love who is a member of my family and i'm always like do i say the relationship because someday he'll watch you know but he is uh on the autism spectrum and i've known many people with autism in my life uh but specifically like helping a kid that you love through it and trying to give them the right answers so much of uh adult like life and society is like teeny tiny little indescribable things that you're just supposed to know and i it's i feel so frustrated because i know them and he doesn't and i don't know how to i want to give him like i want to help him with the gift of understanding like i'm like yeah when someone turns their face in that way i know with their words they're saying that they whatever but it's this tiny little and you can't you almost can't teach it and so i don't think we give enough credit to how fucking like crazy difficult and nuanced it is to just move through the world politely truly i most of my beginning stand-up is my like i would catalog those tiny things of like how someone looked at you or like one i used to really struggle with his people sometimes when they're trying to uh bond with you or express intimacy they'll laugh and look at you you know when you're like you know what i mean what do you mean they'll laugh and look at you like when like you're laughing at something let's say you're watching stand-up you're laughing and you look at your buddy and you're like yeah and i really struggled with that one because people would laugh and look at you and i'd be like or like because it's just so it's so aggressive i don't know well i can't do it it feels like yeah no it's like it's like you're laughing at something that you're both experiencing but they turn to you to be it's but that's another one of those small things where it's like why are we doing that yes it's like because i want to see if you're laughing and show you that i'm laughing and i and there's an intimacy of sharing the moment via eye contact there's like 15 things you're communicating when you do that and no one thinks a thing about it and then yeah and then you're like oh yeah sorry buddy it's gonna be rough you're gonna have a hard time understanding this and make eye contact yeah and or another one that i still think about is how sometimes when i'm out it seems like in order to jump start having fun you need to announce that you're having fun before you're actually having fun do you know this give me an example like you'll be dancing and everyone has to look like they're having a good time before they're having a good time like before they're getting drunk enough you know i used to feel this when i used to drink is that before everyone was drunk we'd be dancing and you everyone would know it hadn't hit yet but you just have to kind of dance around and be like yeah and like look into space a little bit do you know what i mean do you have that experience or maybe i'm just not having a good time and i feel the need to announce it i i don't know i i feel like what you're saying is that you're not drunk enough to be having fun yet but you feel the need to perform it yes i feel like you need to perform enjoyment to signal to people we're all enjoying it and then i feel like i'm just really announcing how autistic i am in no i'm really listening i'm okay um where it's like you need to look like you're having fun in order to for everyone else to feel comfortable looking like they're having fun right like like yeah i understand what you mean i think the my block with it is my stuff about alcohol like but the um specifically the idea that like you need to look like you're having fun when you're dancing or like yes i i sometimes will get in my head and i'm sure this is what alcohol helps people with i don't drink it a lot uh i'm planning to drink a lot of it this weekend because it's my birthday are you coming oh wait no what become my birthday party this weekend what's your birthday party this you don't know this this is my biggest fear dude i keep thinking i'm being so good about this are you free saturday night yes you're in new york no i'm not i have a my family's white elephant party oh what wait when where in new york in new jersey you can come late the party goes until late okay i'm gonna send you the information okay send me the information but yes i i feel uh i feel sometimes like uh when when i'm not in a good headspace i feel that i'll start to think a lot about how my body is moving and whether people are thinking that i'm having fun and i i can get i'm i will say i'm i luckily can get out of that really quickly but it it can ruin a vibe for sure that's yeah exactly how i'm what i'm thinking about are you sober yes okay yeah good i never had like a issue with an extreme issue with alcohol but i just find my life is so much better yeah without it you didn't have an issue with alcohol i had i not i didn't issue with hangovers my hangovers i was a vicious woman i would like get up in the morning and be like you're hard to love to my partner like i just like not a nice lady that is so fucking funny it was bad but i wouldn't drink a lot and but it would take so little alcohol for me to be grumpy the next day yeah and so then that continued and then i the first time i ever blacked out i was like this has to be the last time i ever drank it was so bad i like i have this friend she's this incredible like practice that she does where every five years she well on her wedding she wanted uh she was sad because she was like this is the last time we'll have all these people together and he was like well what if yeah i guess so unless it's a funeral which is sad um and so her husband they're just this awesome couple he was like every five years let's have a get together uh and so they have like a mini wedding without the reception about the ceremony and everyone gets together and they were married on new year's so every new year's they get together and party and it was at this event and i got so blacked out that i i don't really know oh yeah no i do know i i blacked out then i blacked back in and i was at i briefly blacked out and then i boxed back in and i was at the they had a guy like shredding hams like at this big prosciutto leg and and he was putting down prosciuttos and i would pick the prosciutto up as he put it down so no one else can get it and then i blacked out again and then i blacked back in and i was telling him about the beatles and still at the ham station blacked out and i was just going around blacking in is so funny i blacked out blacked in blacked out blacked in i'm at the ham when you do that you just have these glimpses and i was going around and i was singing at people like blackbird singing in the dead of night take these broken wings and learn to fly and then you're out again yeah and then i blacked back in and unfortunately and i was at we were so this is also bananas she's had this this party at this castle in portugal yeah and we're at this castle this ancient castle in portugal and i was in front of like a 1200 ad um virgil book yeah where you're supposed to hold it with white gloves and i was just getting my fingerprints all over the virgin you destroyed an ancient ark okay and then i woke up the next morning so then the next morning was tough i guess in my sleep or in my drunken stupor i had i had taken all the sheets off of me and i had taken the mattress protector off the bed yeah i peed on the bed yeah i had vomited on the bed yeah i also was wearing self tanner but i didn't know i was supposed to wash it off so i was pumpkin orange yeah and i had rolled around in the piss and gotten the pumpkin orange and the piss all over the mattress yeah and then i had gone downstairs i don't know what i was wearing downstairs i had thrown up in the fountain yeah on the ancient art yeah on near the virgil enough for the splatter to get on the virgil yeah um and so i was like i don't think i should drink again it's really bad so just so we're clear when i asked if you had an issue with alcohol and you answered no confidently this is going to go ahead and be one of the most clear cases of having an issue with alcohol that is a really wild tale and ultimately by the way everyone's fine everyone's fine but wow that's crazy but i have no other tales like that i have it was the only time i was like i'm gonna get really drunk tonight i'm gonna keep up with my friends and it's gonna be awesome because i'm never that girl and it's like oh this is why yeah i should never be that girl you have no other tales like that i have i'm like do i have another tale like that i don't think i've i've never blacked out before yeah i have a problem with food because when you were describing grabbing the ham fresh off the thing i was so jealous i was like thrilled i was like god that sounds amazing he's he's slicing the ham straight into my hand and i'm just going to mouth with it i like that do you black out with food no i'm blacked in when i'm eating i never feel more awake um no no no i used i had a a bad binge eating problem when i was in my early 20s i was binge eating like crazy i mean i was so like but i was depressed as i was the most depressed man alive i could have won awards if we had a competition i just was so i was so depressed but it was complicated because i was also having fun like i don't know i had still i still would have a good time i just i didn't realize how depressed i was i don't think the whole time it was happening binge eating like crazy putting away some crazy stuff was it like a crazy high lows situation what do you mean i don't know i feel like what was i like having manic no not like manic highs lows but just like sometimes i feel like the times in which i can point to having the most amount of oh maybe i'm maybe actually i have the mental disorder um not that i was saying you had the mental disorder but that's fine i if i point to the times in which i had was the most depressed i also had these splurts of the most highs not like manic highs but like yeah just i don't know i feel like uh if i point to my 20s it looks a little bit oh this is a podcast i guess yeah up and down up and down then now it's like i have less also oscillations but also maybe i'm medicated now there was a lot to impact medication yeah you're saying that the highs are gone but so the dips but the lows yeah yeah that's what i fear i for me caleb i know i think i i'm unmedicated i'm unmedicated oh wow yeah good for you man yeah there's a little badge on my arm i'm one of the last ones uh i am unmedicated everything's i'm i'm well but um i don't know um yeah i think uh yeah the depression in college was crazy the binge eating and i was depressed in a way where like i would eat something psycho like i would eat i would have like a fucking two liter of mountain dew a whole pizza and like three candy bars and then i'd get in my bed sick and then i was so you know because you should get in bed after that they always say take down 8 000 calories and then go ahead and get on your back as quick as you can um and then i was so sad and lonely i would like beg a friend to come sit in bed with me so i didn't have to be alone and someone and a couple people would i mean like people had shit going on but people would which was really sweet uh boy rough rough area of life i wonder college was i think if i look back my most depressed time yeah as well but you were running a fucking business you're selling the hell out of those snakes i was yeah i was and then when i dropped out it was awesome so really yeah and i dropped out for stand-up and i got to do that so i guess but my one year that one that's me trying to relate that one year was tough i yeah i did not like college i tried to drop out and my mom begged me not to so i didn't but i tried because i came to new york i worked at columbia i did a summer internship at columbia for two summers and after the second summer during the second summer i called my mom and i was like i'm not coming back to school i'm gonna find an apartment there's a job at the college that i think i can get i'm gonna move to new york and like i'm gonna try to do like comedy and theater and stuff and she was like please god do not do that finish your fucking degree and i was like no i really can't i gotta stay in new york i don't want to come back because i was hating being in southern missouri at that time and i was like i just can't do it anymore i gotta get the fuck out of there and yeah she begged and she never begged me to do anything my mom always let me do whatever i wanted and this is the first time she ever begged me to do anything wow and so i went back and finished school i'm so glad i did she's was so right but yeah i almost i almost dropped out i went to college yeah i want to study i applied after um season one but now we got to go to season two but i want to study i think it i would love to study english or history i would love more context for some i feel like now i have the tools to write and you got some crazy stuff going on next door what the fuck they're doing throwing things um anyway i would uh i don't know i'd love more just like i feel like i have i can write now and now i would love just to be more informed as i you know write and say things yeah you know english english or history would be so fun some of my favorite classes in college were history classes i feel like now now i feel like oh if i went back i'd ace that but maybe that's maybe that's hubris maybe i don't know i think it would be so hard yeah we were not kind to non-traditional students when i was there like a 34 year old with a rolly backpack we were like you're al-qaeda like we just were like we were so mean for no reason not to their face but we were just like oh god john's got a remark you know what i mean like yeah we hated it do you know that weren't you guys like that we just were so judgmental and weird i'm in improv 101 right now which is a wild experience um but i noticed that people aren't as nice to the older students as well and so i'm like damn dude this is they're just trying to have a good time what had you ever uh trained in improv before this no no oh cool no and i gotta keep up with holmes yeah uh trying to keep up with holmes in improv is uh it's it's a unique skill that is It's a horrific endeavor. It feels like Holmes is connected. You know, when people talk about, they talk about this with basketball players too or something, but, or football, I don't know, whatever, where it's like someone has some sort of connection to another side or like to a light or like a, I don't know. It's a darkness. Yeah. Holmes is connected to a darkness. Yeah. They're connected to something that I'm like, how did you'll be in a scene with them? You're like, how did you do what? Yeah. And I'm supposed to not break. Yeah. There's, I mean, it's just unbelievable. They're just, in my opinion, like the funniest performer, uh, alive, right? Like I just genuinely do think they're the funniest person that is currently alive and working. And I think what happened is when God made most people, uh, they poured, they poured a little bit, they poured like some creativity, they poured like some executive function, you know, they put all kinds of things in there and with Holmes, they poured, uh, all improv and zero executive. And so it's like responding to an email for Holmes is like going to war, but thinking of the funniest thing you've ever heard off the top of their head is like, just like they just, it's like, it's like batting their eyes, you know? It's unbelievable. It's, it's bananas. And they're a singular genius, a singular genius. Yeah, it really is true. And not that I'm trying to be a singular genius, but I would also love to be able to, we would be in scenes and they would start and I would know that I just couldn't keep up and I would panic. And I would just look. I would look down lens I'd be like, okay, or I'd be like, okay, let's end now. I would cut us. You're cutting from within the scene. I'm addicted to that. I was just so afraid. I was, I don't know how to give you the layup for the, you know, the, the thing you need to spike the ball. So I would just be like, we have to end me out of this scene. Yeah. Yeah. That is really hard and it makes total sense. And I think you're brilliant. I mean, you've been in the show, you know this, uh, but yeah, that, that is really difficult. I mean, uh, I have, I love improv and I love doing it on set and I, uh, I have been, I've been in the dynamic you're talking about where the other person is like, um, frustrated or just not accustomed to it and it's, it's, it, that is really tough. Yeah. So, but you're great in the show. You're phenomenal. Really? Truly. I know you know that, but are you excited to go back? Thanks. My little, my little scene in the show, I keep telling Benny to bring me back. I'm like, bring me back. Is there anything fun in season two? I think he, well, I guess I haven't seen updated scripts, but I think that's a plan. Uh, that's what I was saying. Yeah. It would be fun. I love to pop in and play. It's like a real joy. I think it's one of the things I want most in my life is to, I don't, uh, I don't desire to be in Benny's role and I don't desire to be in like Rachel Senate's role in those shows. Like the like crazy mega, like mastermind of the thing. Uh, I'm all good on that. It looks horrendous. Like I, they're both doing it with such grace and like flair. I watched them do it and I'm like, I think I'd rather be stabbed to death with tweezers. Like I just, it looks horrible. But coming in for like three days, killing your thing and then leaving what a beautiful experience. I've never done that. I want to do that. I want to try doing that. You'd be so fun as a little, a little energy pop on a thing and just getting out of there. Um, if maybe once I do more improv, once this improv class happens and once you get season two done, that's what's, that's where it's all waiting. You have to tell me so quickly about, we're almost out of time, but tell me about horse high school briefly, please. Okay. Horse high school was this high school where you go and every freshman gets a horse and has to take care of the horse and if they don't take care of the horse, the horse dies and that's sad for all. Um, and you learn how to like be a cow girl because I wanted to be a cow girl when I went to high school. How did you find that? Like what, how did your parents find this school? It was, I found it things. I was trying to get out of the house type vibe. Um, and I was looking for programs that were, I could get out of the house and also I did want to be a cow. I was like obsessed with all Westerns. I don't know. And this idea that like, like this lawless land where you create your own credos. I don't know what was into me. Um, and I just found it on the internet and it was awesome. I don't, I actually. I applied to a ranch program last week. I was like, maybe I'll work at a ranch program. I don't know. My, I told my manager and she's like, absolutely not. Will you be doing that? Hey, so your career that's going well, we'd like you to do it. Yeah. Um, but being, there were some issues with me and the horse where that sounded like we had some political issues. No. Um, we, the horses are just wide and I have these little legs. Yeah. Yeah. My horse is too wide. My legs, they, they don't wrap around the horse. They just kind of shoot off into the ether. They wear me like a little hat. Yeah. Like they're supposed to go like this. Yes. Seen it a million times and, and, um, and, and not that I couldn't, but I was getting knee problems. Yeah. Um, and pretty immediately and it's like hard work and that too, but so did you graduate from horse high school? I did graduate from horse high school. I can do all sorts of stuff. Yeah. I can lasso. I can shoot a gun off a horse. Yeah. You are a fascinating individual. I'm like very jealous of horse high school. Like to have that also that level of like agency at that age, like I wasn't questioning almost anything. I was just going where I was told. That is so cool. I had those kinds of parents where you had to question. You better question. Couldn't follow the program. Needed to ask some cues. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what's so true to you? What's so true to you? I'm a horse. What's so true? Oh, wait. Okay. Um, I think what is so true to me is that I think what should be so true to me. I have little ones. I have big one. Big one. Okay. This is what was getting at me this morning. I think we focus way too much on the creator and not what is created. I feel like there's, we spend like too much time. I think about how much we focus on like the casting of a project where there's a lot of, I had this thought when I was hearing about stunt casting in like another stunt casting in, which is what, do you know what stunt casting, yeah, um, in, on a Broadway show, um, where, what's your face? Uh, Whitney Leavitt from, um, Sex, the Eyes of College Wives is on Broadway now and not that all power, whatever. I don't know, man. I don't know how I feel about it. I, I just feel like if we cared more about the art. Yeah. Then we would cast people and things that have a lot of training in the craft. Yeah. Yeah. You're not throwing shade to this individual. You're saying in general, if we would change the cultural, uh, like focus on really focused on capitalism is the issue that they're like, this person will sell the most tickets and it's like, but are they right for the role? Yes. That's yeah. Are they right for the role as a question that almost never gets asked. And I'm feeling it more and more as awesome as it is. And I mean, I guess. I am a benefit of like someone that was started in one field and then got to hop over to another. I do feel like we are not asking that question enough and it's just sort of like, who is the most followers that can bring eyes to this movie or who couldn't, you know, and it is, I'm like, I feel like we're losing sight of craft and a lot of people that do jump from thing to thing with like a follower base do have experience in craft and you know, um, but I don't know. That's been, this was one of my biggest frustrations of getting my movie made last year was that, the years that we were trying to get it made, every actress that would come up, there'd be this incredible actress who doesn't have a huge internet following, but has worked for decades and she's amazing and she, we all know she's talented. Yeah. Everybody loves her and everything. Uh, but she's just not mega, mega internationally famous. And you would mention this, this actor and they'd be like, she doesn't have value. Yeah. Literally the phrase doesn't have value. I had to ban the word value from meetings. I was like, I don't want to hear it anymore. It is so disgusting and dehumanizing and stupid. And it's like, I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. It's like, I am talking about who's good for the role. And you're talking to me about who's going to sell this imagined version of my indie film where it's huge in Taipei and we need Cate Blanchett to be the waitress. It's like, stop. Like just stop. And I wish there was a way where we could just have more focus on like talent and craft and not have to worry so much about like, like packaging, like the anxiety of packaging. Yeah. There's too much like, there's just like a lot of idolatry in culture. And I feel like that's why we end up in this space where it's like, oh, let's put the hottest person in. I don't know. It frustrates me, Caleb. That's my so true. It frustrates me. I have a game for you. Oh, okay. Okay. This is, you know the game. You've listened to this game. You've listened to the show. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can of what I just said was true or false. Okay. And if you get 10 or more correct, Wally, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. Are you ready? Okay. Okay. Tom Sawyer was a real person. False. False. There are 30 NFL teams. True. False. There's 32. Yeah. Friendster is older than MySpace. False. It's true. Oh. New Jersey's state motto is liberty and prosperity. False. True. Oh. Oh. The Mona Lisa was painted in the 1700s. True. False. 1600s. The Spanish National Anthem has no words. False. True. False. the quick oh after each one oh all snakes lay eggs to give birth false false some have live birds the ipad is older than the iphone false false the side of a hammer is called the shoulder uh the side true false the cheek oh dolphins can't smell uh false true barnard college's mascot is tilly the bear false false it's millie the bear oh the first sorry i didn't i'm not doing it on purpose no i love it the first mcdonald's was located in california true true uh the arctic ocean is the smallest ocean in the world true true there are three bones in a human ear no true old navy was originally called mission bay clothing yeah true false it's always been old navy oh how'd she do chance oh a strong six yeah 15 oh that's good that's really that's really really good honestly we've had a couple sixes recently so there's something in the air uh well do you want to tell people where they can find you oh you can find me on instagram and in bushwick exactly correct yeah oh my god i have something to say to you off camera okay thank you so much for doing it this was great feeling short on smiles does your frown need to be turned upside down we got the perfect dose of comedy thank you 30 minutes of scrubs zach braff donald face on sarah chalk and the rest of the gang at sacred heart are back for a brand new season we play medical doctors who are besties just like in real life and we'll definitely be up in each other's cases scrubs premieres tonight on abc and stream the next day on hulu side effects may include laughing cheering and lots of high fives on any journey using uber it helps to know you're getting into the right car pin verification adds an extra step to make sure you're in the right car and you're in the right car and you're in the right ride before the trip begins your app gives you a unique pin just tell it to your driver and they'll enter it in their app before the ride can start hey what's your pin 2538 that way you know you're in the right car taking the right trip and your driver knows you're the right passenger make sure your ride is your ride with pin verification from uber one more way uber is putting safety at every turn learn more on the uber app fall never arrives all at once first the air then the light and slowly the things you love begin to find each other a jacket meets a dress a hoodie slips beneath a blazer an old cap finds a new scarf because you don't simply step into the season you create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall find fall your way at ross Thank you.