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This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. When a group of women discover they've all dated the same prolific con artist. They take matters into their own hands. I vowed I will be his last target. He is not going to get away with this. He's going to get ready to serve. We always say that. Trust your girlfriends. Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'll do you, I'll do you. I'll do you. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills or conversations with athletes, creators and voices that not only deserve to be heard but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford Show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow @Clifford and at TikTok Podcasts Network on TikTok. On the Look Back at a Podcast. Next in '79, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex Egrish. Each episode we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. And we have a couple of friends, fellow comedians and favorite artists like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. It was a wild, I mean, it was a wild, wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for Black people. Listen to Look Back at it on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it was good, y'all. You're listening and learning the hard way with your favorite therapists and host care games. This space is about Black men's experiences, having honest conversations that it's really not safe to have anywhere. But you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit of armament? It's a suit of world that you not to be played with. And just because you have the capability that does not mean that you need to. Listen to learn the hard way on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. [Music] Morning everybody, it's DJ N.V. Jessalaria, Shalameen Negawe, we are the Breakfast Club, law and the rules are here as well. We have Zuri Hall in the building. She covered the 2026 Met Gala red carpet last night for E. I know she got to be tight. And also Zuri, big up your self. That's right. Tell them what I'm talking about. Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate it. It was corseted. I've got the scars to prove it now. The necklace was so high. It's painful, but beauty is pain. How long does your prep take? How long are you like, I was looking for your dress throughout the year. You got to be at two or a class. So you started nine and more. Yeah, you hear me? The glam genuinely, I think they pulled up to my hotel room around 830 AM. We were in the chair by 845 and then yeah, I was on my way to the Met by, you know, we do the rounds. We do the glam bot, do all the pictures, all that stuff. But yeah, two o'clock. We're in position at the Met. How long it takes me, Lauren, you'd be surprised how last minute the glam is for us. Because like really, the fashion is important, but I'm also super focused on just like the job and like, who's coming? What do I need to know? What do I need to ask them? My dress, this was the longest out at Ever Prep. I think a week and a half, two weeks out. But sometimes I've had gowns that are getting the final touches like the day before, two days before. Last year, I wore an incredible designer, Bishmi Cromarty for the Super Fine. Oh, yeah. He's incredible. It was on Project Runway out of Baltimore, so talented. And he did a custom look. So that was him just working up until those final few days. So every year is different. You've been doing this for like a decade, Zuri. How is social media changed? What celebrities are willing to say to you on the record? Oh, I love that question. It has changed a lot because that's part of the reason people didn't stop last night. I think it's just there's such a risk of things being taken out of context. We live in a clip economy at this point, right? Like it is not often that people are like, wow, that was an interesting 60 seconds. I have an idea about that, but I think I'm going to go watch the full hour long conversation first before I post a hot take, right? And so I think people have become more cautious. They've become more savvy. And I think that's also why we're seeing more public figures and celebrities who traditionally would not be behind a mic in the way that we are getting behind the mics or going to their friends to have the conversations behind the mics because they really need to trust that they have what they believe is a safe space. Some might also argue a softball space, right? Like you're not going to get asked the hard-hitting questions if it's your bestie who's doing the podcast conversation with you. But that's just the world, the media landscape that I think we live in. And I'm sure you'll see it often here often probably experienced it often with your interviews, but it definitely changes the level of transparency. But I will say after 11 years of doing this, you start to build the trust, right? I take pride in people coming to me like the rock last night. Dwayne was not really doing a ton of pressure. Not first name basis. Dwayne, the rocker, Johnson, Mr. Johnson. He stopped and we've got a great interview history. He met my dad and Maui when I covered them a one or two carpet. So over the years, you start to get that feeling of, okay, I can go to her. I can trust her. She's going to ask me smart questions. They're going to be fair, but I'm not going to, you know, pull a gotcha or anything like that. Yeah. What was some of your favorite outfits for people that are listening to driving and work right now? Maybe they didn't see the metgala. What was some of your favorite outfits and why for last night? I mean, I loved it's so obvious. It's so on the, but Rihanna and ASAP like they're always worth the way. I love how you know they are always doing their own thing and yet somehow feel very cohesive. I believe Rihanna was in Mason, Margella. I loved seeing Dampson Idris. I just I loved the hair. I loved the pop of red. I thought it was understated outside of. I mean, I mean, Sarovsky, Chris, I don't know, but they said diamonds. I'm like, that's about $20 million. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, she looks incredible. I mean, she was shining head to toe. Blue Ivy was a vibe for that to be her first metgala carpet. I mean, she's so cool. It's she's so cool. She's got such a presence and you can tell that she like I'm so excited to see her evolution like her star power that she uses is so effortless. The shade. It was so sweet when I asked Beyonce, how are you feeling tonight? And she said, I feel so good. My baby see her. She pointed to blue. And it was like blue is just doing her things so low on the carpet. J's watching like a proud dad. And it's like we've all kind of watched her grow up. So to see her in a moment like that completely cool under pressure. She was really fun to see one of the one other question. One of the Jenna girls had like a body suit. Then it was like a dress off of a body suit that I see something. I thought I see people Kylie. I don't know the names. Yeah, she had she had blind eyebrows. Yes, you're talking about Kylie. Wait, wait, wait, wait, who what? I showed you with the body. Like a body suit. Yeah. Yeah. That was Kylie Jenner. I don't know what I don't know what to sign that was she didn't stop and talk. And honestly so much of my job like in the moment. If I am not getting the information directly from them. I don't know until later, right? Because in my ear, they're mostly like so and so is on the carpet. Try to get them. And we're talking about the moment. And then our guys in the studio are covering the actual fashion details. So I'm getting the. How are you feeling? Who are you with? What was the prep like? Talk to the talk to me about the road to the gala. And then we'll toss back to the studio and they've actually got the details being fed to them in real time. So unless someone comes up to me and says, I'm with Michael Corson, I'm wearing Michael Cors. I'm finding out honestly a lot of time like the rest of y'all like right after. Skip rally. Scraper rally. Yeah. Oh, that looks scaper rally too. I mean, so structural. It's yeah. She's artist. I want to ask about you, Zuri. What's the moment in your career where you felt underestimated and how do you put that? I think you know this one, Charlemagne. I think in New York, like when I was, and I don't know if it was underestimated so much as underutilized through no fault of like the networks, but you know, I was at MTV. I had signed this overall deal. I was super excited about it. I thought this is like my big break. I've actually been talking about it on my Instagram like this plot twist series because there's some changes coming my way with my career soon to that I'm actually excited about. But I felt underestimated because it's like put me in coach. Like I know what I can do if I'm just given the right opportunities. And I just think it was a lack of opportunity. It wasn't a time where there was a ton of development. You were a blessing, right? Those opportunities with MTV and MTV to with everything that you had going on really helped shape me in that moment and sort of give me a confidence that I was kind of losing in that moment quite frankly. But I think I've always been kind of underestimated. I've traditionally I've been shired and people expect and so growing up the most you would hear me talk is if I was on stage or on screen. I think that's probably why I pursue this career was kind of like permission to take up space. And so because of that when I would come into a room I would always be under a window like I should go talk now. What you gonna say once in my come on. I never understood that though because I never understood why MTV just didn't use you the way he was using you could be doing the same thing the red carpet. That's that's true. But you know, like did we have shows like that at MTV at the time because I know the MTV that I would you know we all want that's true. That's very true. Music awards, the movie awards. Yeah, plenty of awards show. I know the irony is as soon as I moved to LA and got the job at E news. flown to New York to go cover like the MTV movie. - Beautiful. - And all this stuff. There was some irony there, but it all works out how it was supposed to work out. - How do you handle rejection in an industry where everything is so public facing that gap? - I think I have always been so used to know. Like I just don't know is not yet for me. My senior year of high school, you know, one of our English teachers gave everybody a word and mine was tenacious, tenacity. I don't even think I knew it. I had to go to the later, what makes me tenacious, tenacity, I was saying. But then I was like, yeah, no, that checks out. I think I've just always been someone who was raised with this almost like a healthy delusion, right? My dad is always like, you can do whatever you want. You can be whatever you want. And not in like a generic cliche way. Like that man really had me think it, if I woke up at 18 or am a president, like they could figure it out. They moved something around. - That's the fall of the show. - You know, exactly. - You should get their comments to the kids. - He spoke that sort of life into me at such an early age that no is something I never took personally. I'm like, oh, they just don't know me yet. They don't see me yet. So I never took that personally. It's you just haven't been able to experience what it is. I know I can show you if you give me the opportunity. So does it suck? Let us know. Yeah. But I'm gonna go get it somewhere else. Make it a yes somewhere else. - How do you feel now? Because I know access Hollywood just got hammed. - Yeah. - How do you take that? - You know, it's bittersweet. It's the end of it in era. I think it's the changing landscape, right? Like it's been 30 years that access Hollywood's been on the air. This indication studio is shutting down. So that's affecting all of the shows that traditionally have relied on syndication. Carambo, the Steve Wulco show, et cetera. I think, I don't wanna say the writing was on the wall with this show specifically. I think just with that model, I-- (upbeat music) - There's two golden rules that any man should live by. Rule one, never mess with a country girl. You play stupid games, you get stupid prizes. And rule two, never mess with her friends either. We always say that. I'm Anasin Field. And in this new season of the girlfriends. - Oh my God, this is the same man. - A group of women discovered they've all dated the same prolific con artist. - I felt like I got hit by a truck. I thought, "How could this happen to me?" - The cops didn't seem to care. So they take matters into their own hands. They said, "Oh, hell no. I vowed I will be his last target." - He's gonna get what he deserves. (upbeat music) - Listen to the girlfriends. Trust me, babe. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. (upbeat music) - A win is a win. - A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. - Yep, that's me. - Cliford Taylor IV. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space. For honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right what you need to be. Listen to The Clifford Show on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And for more behind the scenes, follow @cliford and the TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-taped Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like Black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at the Podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 was big to me, not just because of crack. [LAUGHTER] I'm down with Taco Bell Crackle, David. Yeah, yeah. Literally. Literally. No, but I'm putting it. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have eggs on the table right now. So-- [LAUGHTER] Are you finishing that sentence? And yes, I don't think there's a more important year for Black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for Black people in American history. Listen to Look Back at it on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. My mother-in-law spent years sabotaging our relationship until karma made her pay for it. Wait a minute, Dakota. How bad did it get? Well, it got bad enough that her son-in-law had to eventually arrest her himself. She moved in for two weeks, lasted for five. She left nail clippings in the bathtub, candy stuck to the furniture, and then she pressed her ear against the bedroom door and burst in screaming. She did not burst in while they were-- She did. They kicked her out and paid for hotel. And they thought, it's finally over. Days later, she called her son-in-law. We're claiming that his partner had been in some kind of freak accident and had been rushed to the hospital in an ambulance. He called every hospital in the city, and his partner was making coffee the entire time. She faked a medical emergency just to test whether or not he loved her son. Yeah. And she sat in the hospital parking lot waiting for him to see if he would show up. When that didn't work, she walked into the son-in-law's police station and filed a kidnapping report against him. She filed a kidnapping report against him in his own police station. And spoilers, karma's going to show up in the best way possible. So if you want to hear how this story ends, search OK Story Time on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you're listening to podcasts. I'm hopeful that there will be some new iteration of the brand. I think a lot of things are just moving to digital. But I am also excited about what's next for me. And there are still so many other opportunities. I still work with E, right? When I'm on these big or worse or rare carpets, when I'm in those hosting positions, that's life for me. When I'm doing Fandango, big ticket interviews, one-on-one exclusives, that's an entirely different property. American Ninja Warriors coming back this summer on NBC. So yeah, we still got that stuff. But I'm excited to have more time to actually build and focus on IP and ownership. I launched my show Not About Sports earlier this year. And I'm just excited to embrace the changes. I always roll with the punches. I love it. Honestly, the only thing constant is change. So you just got to rock with it. I know you interviewed the devil. It's devil-worsed product cash, right? For the second movie. Yeah, and in the second movie, it's very reminiscent about, I feel like what you talk a lot about in your plot twist series about how things have to move and adapt and change. What has been your decision to share as those things that have happened intentionally? Like we read about you, but you're deciding to give us your voice on it as it happens. Yeah. I think it's because of that. Like people may read about it, or they may experience me as a host. Yeah. I think I got so comfortable being seen without really being seen, right? Showing up, hosting the show, being impressive and focusing on accomplishment only. Like that's always been kind of a safe space to exist. Like when I'm struggling or when I'm confused or when I'm not sure, it's easier to like be in hiding for that. And then pop back out when I have something impressive and interesting to say. And the older I get, the more comfortable and confident I get, which is who I am and like where I am in any given moment. The more I am willing to embrace vulnerability publicly. And I think we're all in a really interesting time. You know, there are a lot of women, especially in transition, black women, particularly in the workforce right now, who at a disproportionate rate are losing their jobs, right? It's tough right now for everyone, but I think especially for us. And as I see the comments and I talk with my followers, I was like, this is honestly a blessing in disguise because if I'm willing to be vulnerable about my show going away and I'm willing to do it in real time and be like, I'm not fearing it out totally yet, but I've been here before. I've had to ride the waves before. I've had to navigate the plot twist before. I've always come out on the other side in the reason that I can do this in a steady way is because of what I've learned. So let me share that with you. Let me share why my life didn't collapse. Let me share why I'm excited about a not entirely known future. That came through a lot of work, a lot of therapy, a lot of figuring out who I am and what my identity is outside of my job. So when I lose a job, I don't lose myself because I've done a lot of work to figure out who Zuri Hall is when she's not on air. And so being transparent with the plot twist series is just something that I wanted to share. In case it helps anybody else who's also like, what am I doing with my life? This is not what I saw for myself. This is not what I expected. I did everything right and still and the feedback's been great. So I'll just keep telling my business and small. What's on your head on the ground growing his business? Something I had to unlearn. Oh, that's a good one, Char. Something that I had to unlearn in this business was, yeah, that opportunity sometimes and success and or lack thereof is not directly tied to my worth. Oh, truly, because as someone who growing up, my career, my ambitions, my accomplishments was my identity. When I was passed over for something, when it was, okay, maybe next time, but not now, I really, I used to take it personally. sometimes just in small moments and I've realized there's such a political game to a lot of this, you know, and so often the reason that it's someone else versus you has nothing to do with you and there's also something beautiful about being able to say that is for them. Like what is for them is for them? What's for me is for me? And I'm not going to tell myself a lie about who I am or what I deserve just because someone else in this moment thought that that wasn't who I was or what I deserved. And so yeah, just embracing my worth outside of my job and who decided that I deserved an opportunity. Yeah, I just had to unlearn my worthiness being attached to my output, my creation, my achievement. Oh, we don't got no time for one more. I just want to ask what point of year career did that come in to like did that set really set in like like you actually lived that every day. I would say E when I was at E news every day, right? Like I'm access Hollywood in the day to day now. But I would say halfway through the original E news experience all those years ago, I had to figure out how to unlearn that for my sanity for for my mental like wellness because it was there was a really rough patch, you know, where I think I was asked a lot of folks are being asked isn't entirely different regime. And I've talked about this publicly before they're not there anymore. And they were lovely and great. But you know, sometimes the tides turn. It's like, okay, this is the trend now or this is what we expect now. This is what we want. And I wasn't willing to meet that moment in a way that fell out of my integrity. Just how I report how I host how I show up not saying there was anything wrong with it. It just wasn't how I wanted to show up on air. And so I was not on air as much, you know, and so to be willing to sit with that and sit in that silence and sit with the work that I was doing it was a whole lot of therapy going on at that point. I have much else to do. I think that's when I first really like started to live that. And it's been about four or five years of really living in that truth. And it's still a journey. Don't get me wrong. I do not have it all figured out. And I still have moments of like second guessing myself or am I doing this right or could I be doing something differently. But overwhelmingly, I think the more I built up the other pillars of my life, my family, my friends, my community hobbies. I'm writing horses for the heck of it. Like there's just such a full light that has nothing to do with my career. And I think ironically the moment that I kind of released the need to have this all workout one way. The opportunity started flowing more. It's like you can't chase. It will run whatever it is. It could be a man. It could be a job. Like you cannot be in constant pursuit because energetically you're saying, I don't have this thing. I'm trying to get this thing. But when I stay grounded and planted. And it's like, I am here. I am enough. And these things come to me. I know it sounds woo woo. But the minute I just fell back, even when it was because I was just too tired to chase anymore. It came. It's like, well, if you're just going to sit there calmly and like open up to what will be. Let me just go ahead and slowly, you know, work my way. To you with this opportunity. And that's when I knew that things were supposed to be there. Because sometimes I was chasing things that weren't supposed to be mine. That would have ended up being more of a curse than a blessing. What was his name? We got a few. Which why you would. Was very we appreciate you for joining us this morning. No, I love. I don't think you're out. I'm seeing the growth from the beginning. So it's just whenever I see Zuri on these red carpet. I'm like, that is so dope. Cause I remember, you know, 10 years ago when they did not know what to do with Zuri. And she was just, you know, up there every day, you know, and I'm just like, yeah, she's just doing what she should be doing. Thank you. Thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. And then you know, like I said, I'm going to put you in touch. If you need to intern for next year's car. Somebody carry your bag. Make a bag for Ron. Right. He's really good at carrying things. He used to do it for DJ glue. Really. That was a good stab. That was the stab on that. I like that. That was crazy. That was crazy. That was good. That was good. Zuri on that. It's the breakfast party. Take it together. Go ahead. He's going to get what he deserves. We always say that. Trust me, babe. On the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. On the look back at the podcast. In 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex Egrish. Each episode, we pick you here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. The before was a wild, I mean, it was a wild year. It was a wild year. If I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to Look Back Added on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor IV. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfills or conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This space is about black men's experiences, having honest conversations, that it's really not safe to have anywhere, but you're having them with a licensed professional who knows what he's doing. How many men carry a suit of armor? It signals to the world that you're not to be played with. Listen to Learn the Hard Way on the iHot Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHart Podcast. Guaranteed Human.