Vouching For Voter Fraud? (Ep. 2577)

All America, all the time, sit down, buckle up, and get ready for the Dan Bongino Show. Folks, I'm going to have to repeat this again. Get ready. Write it down if you need to tattoo it on your brain. It promise it will help you, your mental health, I'm not kidding. I'm not trying to be an ass about it. X Twitter. There are real people. I hate when people say Twitter is not real life. No, it's real life, it exists, and there are real people on there. But I cannot say this enough with regards to how Twitter translates into real world movements. I cannot emphasize this enough. X is not a good sample size of what the real world looks like. You saw what happened again in the Florida elections last night. I've said this over and over. Guys, ladies, haven't been on the inside and seen these foreign ops that are pushing a lot, not all, but a lot of accounts, whether they know it or not, whether they're unwitting dopes or not, wittingly or unwittingly, pushing people into these ops, these ops are everywhere. And when I say an op in operation, he'll say, sigh, I'm saying, no, it's real, like a psychological operation meant to manipulate, manipulate you psychologically. I'm going to bring this up later in the show. There's an easy way to identify this stuff. You saw like polls, this candidate ran, listen, whatever, you run for office, good for you. It takes a lot of guts to run for. I ran. I didn't win. So I'm not sitting here, like, crappin' on anyone for running. I'm just saying, like, there's ethical ways to run a campaign and not. I was asked a thousand times. I ran in a deep blue district. Yeah, just say your pro-choice or whatever. You could win. I'm not pro-choice. I'm proud of what we did. However, what I'm not proud is people running unethical, stupid campaigns about collective guilt to choose the Protestants, evangelicals, did it. Who? Which one? There's no home for that here. That's not our party. We don't do that. We don't care about your religion, your skin color. That is not our thing. That's a leftist thing. There's an easy way to spot an op. Number one. Have you waited 24 to 72 hours? Not before commenting, but before making a final decision on something you saw. Have you waited a little bit? Number two. Does the account speaking to you on X have a reason outside of an ethical or moral reason or a principal reason to be saying something? Oh, look. That's a Russian-based account spouting how Putin is the great. Maybe they've got a reason for saying that. Three. What's the counterargument? Have you entertained that? I've got the Nestosuzek coming on later. 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So a couple of things, the dooms and grifters who were telling you last night that there's going to be some huge upset in Florida, Byron Donald's going to go down in flames. Our guy is right on his tail. They just got embarrassed by the numbers. Byron Donald's won in an overwhelming victory. Congratulations to Jay Collins and Paul Renner. You run, you run great. Good for you. It's tough to put your name on about anything, but Byron won convincingly. If you were following a lot of the traffic on X and you're not immune to ops like we are on this show at this point, you would have thought to yourself, wow, this race is really close. It was not. You've seen this in other races as well. You saw it with the boner phone race and all this other stuff where people are being told, oh my gosh, this is some mass movement. Oh my gosh. Look, this collective guilt stuff. All the kids hate everyone now and we should leverage that. No, we should not. No, we should not. These groups of people telling you this, ladies and gentlemen, have a 100% success rate of failure. These people telling you this, it's doom and gloom, Trump sucks, mag is done, countries over. The center is going to kill you. This is going to kill you. That's going to kill you. A lot of this stuff is not genuine. It's just not. Some of it is. A lot of more legitimate concerns. I'll talk, hopefully I get this later, flock cameras, data centers. I'm not telling you what to do when you're a community at all. At all. You do what you want. I'm just telling you, you should have the information. There's nothing controversial about that. Here's the risk. Here's the reward. Okay. It's not hard. I just want you to remember something, too, because I get this a lot. Friends of mine reach out. It happens a lot, and you know who you are, and I don't play because I have thought this too. People reach out to me and they say, but Dan, it's not worth it. I go on X and I post some simple thing and I get this bot army of people attacking me who are into the collective guilt that Jews didn't all this other stuff. Folks, I just want you to remember some. That's BS. Okay. It is. It's BS. There were real fights out there. The World War II generation were full of people making life and death decisions at 18 to 20 years old every single day. My grandfather drove a truck in the quarter master division, supplying the front lines, the battle, the bulge, and elsewhere. They would drive in the middle of the night with their lights off so that the Germans didn't shoot at them and kill them. And they would take gasoline and the back of the truck on roads that were this thin in many cases getting stuck in mud where if you crashed, you would burn a lot. Like those are real, because some bot attacks us on Twitter is no reason to run away from this fight. There are real fights going on out there, a couple of bots on X, that's not it. Now, good news out of Florida last night. Do you guys remember Alexander Vindman, this absolute ass clown of a human being? What did this guy do during the whole impeachment process, impeachment to the whole like fake whistle ball or impeachment? The whole fake whistle blower thing, the Ukraine call, the quid pro quo nonsense. You remember this guy? I don't know if you know this, but this guy was running for the United States Senate seat in Florida. I don't even know. I didn't even know he was a Florida resident. I knew he was running. When did he get down to Florida, okay? This clown spends $16 million, $16 million on a U.S. Senate race to run as an anti-Trump Democrat down here in Florida and got smoked last night by an even bigger lunatic and he lost by, what was it, almost 10 points? Here's a little reminder in case you think the world is doom and gloom and all this other stuff that sometimes you can smile a little bit too. Remember this guy from the congressional hearing with Devon Nunes, Lieutenant Colonel Vindman? Remember this guy? Check this out. As you know, the intelligence community has 17 different agencies. What agency was this individual from? If I could interject here, we don't want to use these proceedings. It's our time. I know, but we need to protect the whistle blower. If -- please stop. I want to make sure that there's no effort to out the whistle blower through the U.S. proceedings. Mr. Vindman, are you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistle blower? I remember, I saw Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, please -- Lieutenant Colonel Vindman, you testified in the deposition that you did not know who the whistle blower was. All right. No. Who the whistle blower is. That is -- How is it possible for you to name these people and then out the whistle blower? Per the advice of my counsel, I've been advised not to answer specific questions about members of the intelligence community. "Looky here." Now, Shoudon fraud's really an awful thing. You shouldn't be mocking people. And I just said, like, "You run for office. "Good for you, except this guy. "This guy deserves all the mockery in the world." What a clown. $16 million. And he loses to someone even crazier than him who had almost no money at all. I'm not even sure she cracked a million dollars. This lady Angie Nixon, who is unbelievably running as a socialist. And Florida, but, Justin, how well you think a socialist going to do in Florida? The Cuban community loves him, right? Yeah, thank you, miserable. Justin's rocking the freedom shared today. Love Charlie. However, getting Angie Nixon is running as a socialist, spent almost no money and beat this idiot. Here's Angie Nixon. This just came out from the Senate Republicans account. This is the lady. This is Florida folks. What does this have to do with politics as a national show? There are socialists running everywhere. However, the difference with Florida is a proportion of the citizenry of South Florida that actually grew up being starved to death and tortured by socialists in Cuba and elsewhere is very large. And let me just taste them. Folks in the chat, you live in South Florida? Yes or no. How, I was asking a friend in the studio this morning. He does something like security types. I said, what do you think the chances are, if Angie Nixon were to go to a Cuban coffee shop and get like a cafe seat door or something and walk in there and the Cuban coffee shop and be like, I'm here to tell you the glories of Castro. What are the chances she gets? I'm not, no, no, no, no, no violence. No, but I'm just saying that's probably knocking him. I don't want you to do that. This is the crazy lady that beat Vindman. This is how nut's there. She says she brings her kids to drag shows because it's, you got to listen. I don't even want to get ahead to, it's short. Listen to a reason, wholesome and all. Check this out. Oh, understand, like there's no sexualization at a drag show. It's just people dressing up and singing and performing. I've taken my children to drag shows and it's fun. It's entertainment. It's wholesome entertainment and it's nothing wrong. It's just, yeah, like I don't, I don't get it. Okay, she's making it out like it's, you know, fat Barney sharing, she's making it out like it's like a Barney episode. Like the mighty Morphin Power Rangers or something. It was like a, you know, the pink power and go power. You take your kids to drag shows and you are socialist. That's going to do very well. Justin, you've lived down here the longest. Florida, you know, they're big supporters, obviously, of men and women's sports taking your kids to drag shows and socialism. It pulls so well down here. It pulls so Angie, keep it up with that. Let's see how you do. Thankfully, we had a great result. (laughs) (laughs) Morhers in the shot. Thank you, Florida, Florida Democrats also for showing us your true colors and how stupid you are. Shuttling 180 in a way for someone even worse. All right, I wanted to get to this too, while he's in the chat. Folks, that interview yesterday with Scott Pressler went absolutely crazy. So after the show, he had mentioned something at the end for those of you who missed yesterday's show. You know, Scott, he's a get out the vote. He registers voters, he's done amazing work. We have him on the show often. He came on yesterday and he told me something I hadn't heard of. I'm always candid with you. If I know, if I don't, I don't, but I always go out and do a little homework. So we had mentioned on the show that there was this really weird program hence the title of today's show where you can basically vouch for people to register to vote. Now, Justin, you vouch for people before, right? Your friend group or some, you were in college. Friend group, that sounds kind of like milk toast. But you know, like I hang with a bunch of people, but I keep my group of friends. I keep it small because I don't want a bunch of like lunatics bringing their crazy lunatic kids around my friends and my kids. So I'm careful, correct? So you vouch for people. Hey, this Joey bag of donuts. He comes and hangs out at the sand bar or something. He's a good guy. It's like the mob guys, right? Yeah, he's one of us. He's what, he's a friend of ours, right? There's like level, you've done that, correct? Vouching for people is wrong. There's no vouching for voters. There's a way to vouch for voters. You know what it is? The freaking voter just show up. Bring your driver's license. I'm vouching for myself. Here's a license that says myself is myself. Here you go. There's no vouching. There's no vouching. It's like Tom Hanks. There's no crying in baseball. There's no vouching. What do you mean vouching? So I went and did a little homework at this. And Scott, I went to his X-feed first. Because again, X is real life. It's just not a great sample size for voting and all that other stuff. I saw this video on the X-feed of what is this election judge training? This is insane. There is a way to vouch for people to ensure free and fair elections. It's for them to show up with a freaking ID. It's how we vouch for people who buy booze. Justin, who I recently learned is above the age, I hired the guy young, he had a drink on a plane once. I was shocked. I couldn't believe he was over 21. But there's a way to vouch for that. Show you your own ID. I guess in Minnesota, there are also other ways to vouch. Like you say, yeah, that guy's good or something? Oh no, I just sign an oath. He's like, oh, okay, that always works. Watch this. This is what Scott Pressler's X-feed. You think I'm making this up? This is how crazy the Democrats are. Check this out. Most of election day registration options include a registered voter in that precinct who can personally vouch for the identity and residence of up to eight new voters. A healthcare facility worker can vouch for an unlimited number of residents of facilities that they work for regardless of where that facility worker lives. A voter can use a notice of late registration sent to them. If a voter is moved within their precinct or has only changed their name, they may use their previous registration in the precinct. Someone in the chat just put Dr. Vouchy. You guys are quicker than me. I wish I was funny like that. Dr. Vouchy. Now there's a vouching McGroy and McGroy, they'll scoop these names up like that. There's no vouching. There's no crying and baseball, there's no vouching and voting. There's no vouching and voting. The only way to vouch is for you to vouch for yourself. That's the whole idea. Guys, does this work anywhere else? Here, let's do a little experiment. Andy, you down? I got an idea. There's a CVS close to our studio. It's not far. I think one of you guys should go in there and try to buy like a legra or something like that, but bring Justin with you. We're going to try this and I anchor, don't be cool about it, don't disrupt the business, but just try this. Go up there with the legra and no idea and just say this guy is going to vouch for me and I am, and watch what happens. Watch what happens. Don't even bother with alcohol. You may be arrested. I'm, watch what you're going to be left. Don't waste their time. I'm kidding. But you get the point. I want to hat tip by the way, James O'Keefe, Cam Higby as well. They've been doing incredible work in this. If you miss yesterday's interview with Scott, not that I thought he was exaggerating at all. I'm just going to find out what he's going to do. He's going to do the work. I'm going to do the work. And he's like, hey, I want to vouch for these people. There is a process known as vouching, where a registered voter can vouch for eight non-voter registered individuals, and the vouching process stands in for a proof of ID or residency or other documentation that the vouchee would need to show in order to register to vote. So in other words, if I was registered to vote here in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I couldn't vouch for eight other individuals who are not registered to vote, and all I would need to do is swear that I am verifying into the individuals I am vouching for live in the same precinct as I do. So what we're going to do today is speak to some election workers and ask, is it okay for me to vouch for some of my friends who just got flown in from the Gaza Strip, who are members of Hamas, and is it okay for them then to participate in today's election? Hi. Okay. Okay. So you got the setup? I rarely use two pieces of the same video, but this guy Anthony Rubin's a genius. You're going to listen, Solon Linsky's rules, right? Mockery is a potent weapon because there's no comeback for it. If you're going to invent stupid rules like there's vouching, there's no freaking vouching go mock you and see how these rules apply. Here's part two. He walks in, the air quotes, Hamas member, and watch the puzzled looks on the faces of people in the election office here, the ballot location. We're gonna like, oh yeah, I think I can feel it. Really, we just flew them in from the Gaza Strip. This is how crazy this stuff is in the world we're living in right now with ops everywhere, check this out. - We wanna know more about the vouching. - So if you all live in this precinct, if one of you is able to register with the identity and residence verification documents, you can vouch for others who may live in the precinct as well. - And you can vouch for up to eight people as long as everyone lives in this particular precinct. - And then my friends here would need to show what? - If you're vouching for them, they wouldn't need to show anything. - They don't need to show anything. - Correct. - Okay. - We would verify your documents. So your identity, your residential documents and then the people you're vouching for, you don't have your documents. - You represent their document at that point. - And you're saying you know that they live. - Just being straight up with you guys, I don't, they got here recently. I don't really know their citizenship status. They're from the Gaza Strip. And well, these guys were actually members of Hamas. And they wanna vote today. - Okay. - It's okay. - So you would be under oaths letting us know that they are eligible to vote in this precincts. - But I can vote. - I can vote, right? - If he votes-- - If he signs, then I can vote, right? - Correct. - WTF, I don't know, man. I don't know. You would think that would be like, I just flew people in from a terror group. Yeah, just sign here. Just sign, it's okay. - Oh my gosh. - This is folks, if we ever been at a time in American history where we needed a piece of legislation as badly as we need to save act right now, ever. I said yesterday on the show, if this got Pressler during the interview, the problem with having a paper constitution is it doesn't have superpowers, okay? Folks, I love our constitution. I love what our founding fathers did. I love that our countries made mistakes and fixed them and were the most powerful freedom-loving country on earth. But the hard reality is the constitution is just a piece of parchment paper. That's it. If nobody believes in it and they believe it's selective and laws are only applied when people feel like it, the whole thing falls apart, fidelity to the cause collapses. This is a system of faith. Oh, faith in laws, not laws that are selectively applied. Folks, the polling on this issue is overwhelming. This is easily an 80/20 issue. I'm gonna show you something coming up next. Most of the polling you're seeing, a lot of it, is total BS anyway. So it's always in with a liberal slant too. Here's the kicker. About 80% of people support some form of voter ID and free and fair elections. Can you imagine if polling was actually legitimate and not skewed by garbage polls? This would be a 99/1 issue. I'm gonna show you what I mean. With this thing coming up, this massive polling scandal that broke yesterday, if you haven't heard about it, again, it's a cautionary tale from the Dambon Gino show. Most of these pollsters are just full of crap. They're just making this stuff up. Vouching work at ATMs, Justin wants to know. I don't know, try it. See what, yeah, see what Andy says. Andy, I'm like, no, I'm like 92 with draw $1,000 from Andy's account. They say he's got account Joey Bagadona's bank. No, no, Justin's voucher me. He said it's okay. He's good for it, right? He's good for it. All right, but it's just polling scandals, a major story 'cause I've been warning you about this forever. You wanna talk about ops? A lot of, a lot, not all. A lot of polling is purely an operation. It's a psychological operation meant to manipulate you. You've seen it with President Trump throughout the years. Hey, one of the best parts of my mornings at first cup of coffee, you know the feeling before the craziness kicks in. A strong cup of coffee early in the morning. That's not bitter and a few minutes for yourself. For me, on the back porch, that's blackout coffee. 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He said, new, the company behind a recent poll that showed Karen Bass, LA Mayor, with a 12-point need of a Nithia Ramen for LA Mayor, and showed Bass collecting most of Spencer Pratt's prior support, which seems insane, Spencer Pratt ran against Karen Bass. Has admitted their poll was fake, all caps. Not my caps, Bill Malooge's caps. And was intended as a quote, this is unbelievable. A social experiment for suckers. Folks, I'm telling you, don't get sucked into this. To see how a poll could spread in the media ecosystem without verification. This is why I keep telling. The company's called median strategies. Conducted a polymers constant that had Francesca Hange, the socialist, up by 20 points. Hange lost. It was all bogus. Folks, when I came out of the FBI after the year I was there, I was very clear with you that, please, please, whether you seek this show as a source of information or somewhere else's, you are choice. It's a free republic. I understand that. But all I ask is whoever you're seeking as a source of information, living busy lives. You're not there reading the newspaper every five minutes of the day for the latest story. That's my job. So there's still the news down to digestible bites. Don't fall for people who overwhelm you with information but underwhelming you with actual evidence. That's what this stuff is. Here's a Fox News report yesterday on this company getting basically draked over the calls right now. And I'm telling you, this is just the beginning of a huge polling scandal in this country. You have to start asking people, what are the evidence for those claims? Not what's the information you're telling me? Is that information valid? What evidence do you have to back it up and you would have seen right through this stuff? Check this out. Here's what happened. A legitimate sounding company puts out a poll showing L.A. Mayor Karen Bass leading Council on Nithia Rahman by 12 points. Well, that's plausible. But it also showed 85% of Spencer Pratt voters breaking from Bass, well, that is a huge red flag, right? In no way would most Pratt voters support Bass. But the media loves polls. Many TV stations here locally, a major newspaper, published this entirely fabricated poll and that was republished hundreds of times at social media. Now, in the L.A. Times called the polling company, it admits the whole thing is a hoax. Here's a quote. "Median strategies was created as a short-term social experiment to examine how reported polling information could enter and spread through the political information ecosystem without independent verification." Justin has no beef with this at all. And maybe his point is valid. He's like, maybe we needed people to get kind of shaken up. Maybe we needed to put out a f***. fake poll like this, so people don't understand how easy it is in the quote social experiment to fake polls. I don't like it, especially when it involves elections, however, but I get his point. If it was anything else, maybe it's a good social experiment to expose how easy it is to engage in an op. But folks, the problem I have with these ops, with elections and other things, is there are real life personal consequences. But Justin's point is not, I'm not disregarding it at all. There are real personal consequences, guys, and this is where I'm going with this. Andy, you've been here long enough now, you've definitely been here since I've been back. And for those who've been with me, P1s, and I don't like to make the show about me. I do a weekend update once in a while, occasionally I'll tell a story about something we did when I was in the government that involved your taxpayer dollars, not because it's me, but because you paid for it. But I don't like to make the story about me. The ops against me personally are through the roof. Justin's laughing because we don't talk about a lot, but we have really, really good employees here who can see an op from a mile away. Did you notice that? I didn't come out and say the things they wanted me to say. I didn't come out and say, gosh, Donald Trump sucks. I didn't come out and say, it's definitely the Jews and the evangelicals. They screwed up. If you don't say those code words, you are going to be a target of the op people who ironically always go down and flames. I only bring that up because this has a real consequence falling for this stuff. I don't know if we have been subjected to multiple, multiple, very serious death threats. There have been arrests. There have been investigations. I'm not talking about indirect. I'm talking about direct threats against my life, my family, and elsewhere. A lot of it is based on pure, unadulterated garbage and nonsense. It's not a sob story. It's part of the gig. I wish it didn't happen to me or anyone else, but it's real. This is why I am so adamant at exposing these things. I don't know if you missed this yesterday, but there was a sentencing in a very serious threat case against our Treasury secretary, Scott Besson. These ops have real consequences in the real world and real people are in danger because of it. No matter if something's going to happen, it's only matter of who it's going to happen to and when. Check this out. I was the subject of an assassination attempt, February 2024, by an adult left-wing activist two hours after being sworn into my job. So any of you who want to report that this is a fiction and does not exist, be there for the sentencing this August. Here we are, Dana, right now that sentencing hearing is taking place here in the nation's capital 24-year-old Ryan English of South Deerfield, Massachusetts, pled guilty for charges related to attempted assassination of then cabinet member nominee Scott Besson for carrying a dangerous weapon on the grounds of the capital, according to U.S. Attorney Jeanine Piero. According to court documents, about 312 PM on January 27, 2025, a week after the inauguration, English approached the U.S. capital police officer near the south door of the capital building and stated, "I'd like to turn myself in." English admitted to possessing a knife and two malt-off cocktails. Folks, I'm telling you right now, nearly every prominent, I don't mean prominent like we're better than anyone, I mean prominent that there's name recognition and people know who they are. I'm telling you for a fact, nearly every prominent figure in the Trump administration right now has a story like this. I'll give you a little, don't put it on the screen, guys, I don't want to, but you want to do some homework, you think I'm making this up? Look up by what is it, ABC 10 Sacramento, death threat, bondgeneers, and you'll see what I, you think I'm making this up? That's one of a massive book of these things that we have to deal with every single day. I'm just telling you there's a consequence to falling for these ops, President Trump, Vance, Rubio, they're all evolving some big cabal and cover up, it's just nonsense. One of the ops I saw too going around the other day was the Todd Blanche, oh my gosh, this guy blew it. He said that the Department of Justice is not independent. I thank God, Mark Hemingway responded to this all next thing. This is all an op. This is all this bull information that gets, the Department of Justice is not independent. I don't know what you're talking about. The Washington Post, I think, wrote a piece saying, hey, listen, the Department of Justice falls under the executive branch, I don't know what part of this is, the Washington Post of all, but Mark Elias, crazy Democrat lawyer, I'm without words. This was once a proud newspaper, supporting the independent media, losing his mind or Mark Hemingway response. What are you talking about? They're 100% right. The DOJ is not independent. The Attorney General answers directly to the President. Is any of this confusing? You guys are, you remember folks in the chat, I'm just a bill, okay, do you remember that? Like do you not know schoolhouse rock? This is an op post-water gate, Hemingway notes, that the DOJ can be both subordinate to the President and responsible for policing him. That's not how this works. I told you in the beginning of the show, I'm really genuinely trying to help you, I'm not being as smart as. This is the easiest way to recognize an op. Again, just follow the Bungino, I say it's sarcastic, it's not really my rule, it's kind of a joke. It gives a story some time to flesh out first. Usually the initial piece of information is pushing his own outlet, right? Democracy, doggie, what a clown. Folks, give the story first some time to flesh out. Not before you comment. You're free to comment on whatever, not here to tell you what to comment on or not. But before you draw any final opinion on things, get way for a diverse source of information to come out. Second, again, does the account have a reason to be BS in you? Sometimes they do. Sometimes it's just real. Sometimes they're lying to you just because they want to. Is there counter information out there, counter evidence? And does this look like a current thing? If you see a story that pops out of nowhere and listen to me, I want to get this in all caps, flag it in the chat right now because like, you know, people, they clip your show and they clip out the relevant portion, I'm not telling you what to believe about flock cameras, data centers, shocker gloves or whatever they're called, lecture. Oh my gosh, shocking gloves, I see, I'm not telling you, you everybody get it? We will go no further, flag it in the chat. I'm not telling you that. I'm just telling you, don't you think it's weird that these stories just popped up and all of a sudden they're everywhere? You don't think it's strange that there are some players out there who have a vested interest in taking a side in this debate? Both sides. People making money off data centers versus people in the community who don't want them and some people being paid. They're both sides to flock cameras. They're people making money off flock cameras, law enforcement, there are other people on the other side who don't want in a public safety situation. I want you to notice how President Trump, who is almost always by the left wing media and his critics and the doers, again, I'm not telling you what to think on this stuff. You feel in your communities and you do subsidiary what's good for your community. You hate flock cameras, vote in county commissioners who get rid of them and a sheriff who gets rid of them. That's your choice. You don't want a data center, vote against it. That's your call. I'm not here to tell you what to think. You don't like shock gloves or electric gloves. You'd rather shoot people with a taser instead of fine, whatever is your call. But we were given process and reason. I want you to see President Trump's asked the question about flock cameras. This is the latest, you know, current thing out there on either side, right? Listen to the guy. He said, "Hey, man, I think I'm just going to check the issue out. We're going to study it." We're going to be like a reasonable person would do. Yet President Trump is always accused, right, guys, of being impulsive and such a lunatic. He sounds like the only sane actor in the room after time. Check this out. These licensed plate scanners that are going up across the country, they're called flock cameras. People are worried that the police might misuse them. Have you heard of them? Yeah. What's your say? Well, it's being studied right now. You know, you have pros and cons, right? It's being studied right now. We'll have an answer as to our views on it over the next couple of weeks. I can't get enough of how this guy is constantly accused of he's so impulsive and he just doesn't think things through. And yet, when you're given a controversial issue and it is controversial, I understand. What does he do? He says, "Hey, man, why don't we just look at it?" We'll gauge out what the pros are, significant typically reduction in crime versus the cons, which is, yes, there are some privacy concerns. Can those be alleviated with guardrails? Why don't we just stop and take a breath? This show never got into the current things stuff. We just didn't. And it drives people bananas because they want you to come out and start screaming and yelling before you even have the data. Happened again last night. Folks, I'm going to ask you this one. Can I leave this up to the chat? So folks, Joe can't put out one of these ridiculous videos again last night. I'm going to take a second here. Are you even, I'm really tired of this. I already told you, like, are you interested in Joe Kent's response? Yes or no in the chat. Give it a sec. Tell me what you think. Because I don't want to torture you guys with this, frankly, this stupidity anymore. Tell you what, let's just play a little bit of it and we'll compromise because we're going to take any information like President Trump. Joe Kent, again, is just forfeited all this credit. I feel bad for this guy. He's gone through a lot. He is not my personal enemy, folks. For those of you who want this to be personal, I was very close with Joe. I showed you the picture yesterday. I was more than happy to go visit him when he was there. This is not personal. But Joe keeps insisting that he was somehow, despite no investigative authority whatsoever blocked from the Charlie Kirk investigation, although he was not an investigator and had no authority to investigate the Charlie Kirk investigation. So he responded to yesterday and said, I'm just going to play a little bit of it and I want to explain how he actually outs himself here yet again and yet people still believe, oh, I trusted. Okay, great. Play the screen. Can you stop when I tell you to stop? Because I don't want to go through the whole thing. All right, check it out. I'm going to briefly describe the role of the National Counterterrorism Center in the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So in CTC analysts are a part of every joint terrorism task force throughout the entire country. The JTTFs are typically led by the FBI in CTC's role within the JTTF is to determine if there is any foreign nexus. So that would be a foreign country, a foreign government, a foreign individual, a foreign company. If there's any foreign connection or nexus to an active domestic terrorism, like the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So that's what in CTC analysts were doing as part of the JTTF to assist the investigation of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So in CTC analysts were operating at the request of the FBI to determine if there was any kind of foreign connection or foreign nexus to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So in CTC is a unique organization within the intelligence community. It's part of the intelligence community. You can see all the operational traffic, all the raw reporting coming from the forward facing intelligence community, the CIA, the DIA, the NSA, etc., but it can also see the raw operational reporting coming from the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies. Stop. I'm just going to leave this here. I'm really sorry Joe Ken when he decided to swear in for NCTC director had no idea what his job was. Notice how he outs himself here. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to help Joe and you, okay. The thumbnail is devastating. We didn't do it on purpose. I don't want to be accused of like the thumbnails. I have everybody's got a bad thumbnail out there. The ladies and gentlemen in the chat who've been members of the USIC or a JTTF. You know what raw intelligence is? Raw intelligence is exactly as it sounds. If you're out there on X or Snapchat and someone posts a video saying that space aliens killed Joey Bagadona's in Georgia in a terror attack, that's what's considered raw intelligence. I don't know if Joe knows this or not. What would happen is an analyst who's not investigated would get that and give it to who. An investigator, i.e. not Joe, I've already told you they have no investigative authority at all. Someone should just ask him that question. I don't know why he keeps saying this. They would give it to an analyst. The investigative work is done by investigators who have power to investigate, subpoena powers or rest power. Is any of this hard? The investigators determine if raw intelligence is then actionable intelligence. Joe has nothing to do with that, nor does his shop. When they don't determine its actionable intelligence, that raw intelligence is not thrown out, but we've investigated it. There's no lead there. He keeps insisting he somehow had that bridge roll turning raw intelligence into actionable intelligence because they were investigating it. That is not their job. They have no power to do it. Okay, done. I'm not doing this anymore. I can't. This guy he can come and only wants. I really feel bad for this guy and if you're falling for this op, just know you're being played for a fool. Why he's trying to insert himself into a very serious criminal trial going on right now by constantly commenting as a guy who was trusted with the public trust is just disgraceful at this point. Moving on. I'm done with it. I'm done. This is like an idiot proof argument. Speaking of idiot proof, have we got a response from Elizabeth Warren's office yet? You sure? Did you check? Folks in the chat know what I'm talking about. So there is a lieutenant governor in Minnesota, you know, can Peggy Flanagan, can she vouch for people in Minnesota? The lieutenant governor of Minnesota, Peggy Flanagan is a die hard socialist identity politics lunatic. See you later, Paula. Paula is in the office today representing the cause. Good job. See you later. Good job. Minds me on that. The audience loves you. They miss you. She comes out. What was I just saying? Oh, Peggy Flanagan. She's a die hard socialist, right? She's now the U.S. Senate nominee in Minnesota. She put out this fundraising mail or something. I will be the first native American in the U.S. Senate. Now, if you believe in ops and you're a sucker like people who believe in this op, these other guys are putting on, you would actually believe that that is job, that's not the case. Because you were subjected to an op in the past by a bunch of identity politics liberals who told you Miss Powwow Chow, Elizabeth Warren was in fact the first Native American center. Despite her being wider than a bottle of white out, remember, you want to be here? No, I'm good. Elizabeth Warren, the whole thing is an op. The whole thing is an op. Her entire public persona, Elizabeth Warren is an op. They're all phonies, folks. If you're fallen for this BS, you're no different than the Doomers and Grifters. You've just got suckered. What tip? This is a maze more video, right? The great maze more on X must follow M-A-Z-E-M-O-O-R-E, one of my favorite accounts. Always go there for some show prepped stuff because they're so fantastic. He's so fantastic. Here's maze more. And if you're watching or listening, excuse me, on audio, watch the rumble video, you'll see a video in the background of Elizabeth Warren exiting a private jet, private jet spewing carbon dioxide everywhere. That sounds like a capitalist thing. I got no beef or prior. I love a man. I'm a capitalist. That's a great thing. Really. But I thought they hated that stuff. Here's Elizabeth Warren, bragging about getting two bucks from some college lady who supported her. Two bucks. What did she? Two bucks bought her what? One-one-millionth of a second on the private jet. Can you work out the math for me? Andy, is there a way to work that out? So Andy, if you could do this math, I love you. What is the average charter per hour, like, I don't know, is it $20,000 an hour, $15,000? I don't know. But what is, and what does that $2 work at? So how much of Elizabeth Warren's private jet time was bought by this $2? Here, check this out. I tell you, there are so many people who are in this fight for all the right reasons. You know me, did the speech, and then afterwards did a selfie line, and we are there for over an hour. People are coming through and they're saying thank you and they're giving hugs and talking about what's important to them. One woman came out by herself and she said, "I'm a broke college student with a lot of student loan debt." And she said, "I checked and I have $6 in the bank. So I just gave $3 to keep you in this fight." That's what we got to do. I gave you $3. $3. Justin, you bet on jets, right? Again, I'm a capitalist. I love it. Success? Good for you, buddy. Do your thing. These people are running against that. This is a total op. Justin, right? Sometimes on these private jets, they have various assortments of like little snacks and thingies, some have whiskey, Justin has taken advantage of that. He was over the drinking shock to me that can't say it or not. If you had a pay individually, I guarantee you, the bag of like those buffalo wings, you ever eat those pretzels, chips, they're like flat pretzels, the buffalo wings. You bet brand. That's the most amazing snack ever. A bag of those would be like $75. She didn't even get a bag of chips on that for this the poor lady's three bucks. Give her her $3 bag. Folks, these people are total frauds. I saw this post by this Daniella on X about the, this guy was a Gustavo, the socialist co-chair was up in New York. This is the socialist co-chair. Again, these people are total frauds. They are total frauds. The New York City, the Democrat Socialist of America co-chair, spit it out there. Currently lives in a $1.5 million Brooklyn townhouse. These parrots bought for them, you literally cannot make up a more ridiculous, sir. I hate literally, I hate literally, however, you are quite literally. You cannot make up a dumber story. It's like the BLM people at that rate of $3, the $3 from the, I was off by the, I said $2. It was three, big, it's a big difference, $2.3. At that rate, $3 buys you 3.6 seconds on a light chat. I love how Andy broke this down. Breaking, now if you're gonna get a mid size, you know, like maybe you want a Prater or Gulf Stream or something, it buys you 2.2 seconds. If you get a heavy jet, one of the big dogs, it buys you about one second. So to the college student, Mary Bagadona's, or Janice Bagadona's, whatever your name is, you financed, it looks like a pretty, can we play the picture of it? I think it was a mid size, you bought Liz Warren 2.2 seconds on the powwow child express. Awesome, good for you. This whole thing is an op, man. Look at it, that's, I've been used pilots out there. Ah, maybe a minute. So maybe you bought a three seconds. I don't know, I don't know what exactly that jet is. I wish I knew more about it, tell me pilots in the chat. Some of it, you bought about three seconds for Liz Warren. Folks, another op that's happening out there, we couldn't do to nothing is happening then yet, right? The whole, okay, we got this thing. I asked these guys, one of the ops I mentioned beginning, just like a Liz Warren's whole persona is an op. So where's all these DSA guys? This cat up in New York, I'm a socialist. Don't you live in a one and a half million dollar townhouse that mama and papa bought you? Well, you're a fraud, you're a fake, you're a phony. Do not let this infection of fraudulent bolt float onto our side. Seek evidence, ask questions, and you will never fall for one of these things. The biggest op I see going on right now, and it's only a matter of time before everybody they try to take that is the nothing is happening. Of course we got our famous nothing is happening. File, there we go, right? Wait, did we love it? We're gonna build a new nothing is happening, Fox, we're gonna have to add to it. They love, there we go, another thing that happened. Again, you don't have to like what happened, but you're nothing is happening in the Trump administration is just made up. David Moran's former NIA ID advisor pleads guilty in the COVID-19 records scheme. I thought nothing was happening. Looking at potentially up to five years, I don't know that was happening on the COVID day. What do you think that's just happened yesterday? Again, folks, I know it doesn't matter to the dooms and the grifters. They'll believe anything. They'll believe in powwow chow that Liz Warren's not a free market capitalist in her personal life and an socialist for everyone. You'll believe anything. You'll believe there's a real movement in a Republican party to like do incorporate Nazi ideology. I think these are all ops. They're not real. Doesn't mean real people are promoting them. They're not real. There are tons of things happening. I asked the guys to put together a list, a compilation of things because we forget about them. It's in the kitchen getting worked up right now, all the BLM investigations and arrests, all the antifa cases for the first time convictions, the SPLC, the Newsom case, the Hocal case, the Komi case, the Balton case, the violent crime rate plunging, the violent crimes against children, arrest just exploding. Operations going on every single day, the counter terror arrest, the counter intel arrest, the arrest for crypto fraud. Why collar cases through the roof? You don't have to agree with what's happening, but it is clearly an op you suggesting that nothing is happening. And it's clearly an op to use your official title in the government to imply you had inside knowledge about something you had no idea about, nor any authority to investigate yourself. It is an op. I'm really sorry that that bothers you. MSB voice. Here's a few bucks to keep the lights on. $2,000, for MSB voice. We're a rumble tips right there. Thank you. I told you unnecessary. We appreciate it. Few dollars at that buys if we were to take a private jet. Yeah, if we were, we're not going to the RNC of the midterm RNC, Republican imp. But if we were, we would apply that to the jet fund, right? Andy, you never been on that sucker, right? A third of a Buffalo ship for the, I don't even know if it gets you a third of it. We got to give them a dose of Buffalo. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Those flat pretzel Buffalo chips. That is the most Warren and Sanders spend 2.4 million on private jets and 59,000 on carbon offsets to make up for it. This is the kind of stupid stuff these people fall for. Good luck in the stupid ecosystem you live in. I want to bring this up too, because one of the earliest ops I saw through is I'm not knocking teachers. I love teachers, they say my life. But the teachers unions reps, it's a huge scam. They hate school choice because they just, it's a source of money for them to advance Democrat principles. This is the most amazing school choice or anti school choice, I should say, is one of the oldest left wing ops out there. Did you see the story out of Mississippi? Mississippi, just an aggregate, is one of the not so wealthy states in the union, Mississippi. I don't want to call them poor, 'cause Mississippi is a beautiful place and they're definitely not poor in spirit. But economic development, they had lag behind for a while. This is the craziest story. It's noteworthy that, well, this is a, a new, sorry, I can't pronounce it. It's noteworthy that once you adjust for demographics, Mississippi is the state with the second highest test scores in the country right behind Massachusetts now. They note that Mississippi fourth graders rank number one in the U.S. for reading a mass scores improvement since 2013. After ranking 49th and reading in 50th and math that year, gee, what did it? It's the craziest thing. They actually let Mississippi parents pick where their kids go to school. So crazy. How like when you let parents decide where their kids go to school, shocker folks, they actually pick good schools. You want to see another op on the left? Anti-school choice, Liz Warren on the powwow chow express as a form of socialism. Here's another beauty too. The people that are out there, these socialists, probably like the guy up in New York in his $1.5 million home, telling you single payer, bro, single payer, we need government run healthcare. Notice they call it single payer. Who's the single payer, Gideon, you know? The government. They don't want to use the word government because most people associate with government with suck with a massive sucking sound. The status, the sucking sound of government, sucking the life out of you and every single thing they do. So they call it this op-tested name, single payer. And everybody's like, yeah, man. Right, key good point key. The government's not funded by a single payer. It's 330 million payers. You. So there's this rumor out there that, oh no, you'll still be able to keep the insurance plan. You love in your job or bargain for in your union. That, then no, no, don't worry, man, they're not going to cancel you. Do you read the bill? The Bernie Sanders bill, that L Syed and these other socialist support is crystal clear. James Freeman, Wall Street Journal, ladies and gentlemen, get your pens out if you're in a union. Look, it is right there, section 107, prohibition against duplicating coverage. In general, beginning on the date, which benefits are first available, the government benefits, it shall be unlawful. What does unlawful mean, guys? He's like, I think it means against a law. It will be against a law for a private health insurer to sell health insurance coverage that duplicates the benefits under Medicaid for all Medicare for all programs, which is going to be everything. And it is illegal for your employer to provide benefits for an employee, former employee, or dependence, or former employee that duplicates the benefits under Medicare for all. Your plan is dead. Just read the bill. You have no excuse, stupid is a choice. Folks, please pick up the shirt, store that one, genome.com. The back says, of course, don't be stupid. Just to advertise to people that's stupid is a choice. I'm sorry to the guy in the chat yesterday was, it is a choice. You see these socialists like, yeah, I'm going to vote for El Sayed. But I love my union plan, but he said it's cool. Everyone else is going to be ungoverned. He's did not say it's cool. Just read the Bernie Sanders bill. Your plan is illegal. It's undocumented, right? It's an undocumented plan. That's a good point. Op-level euphemisms. It's an undocumented healthcare plan. There'll be a black market for healthcare of undocumented doctor driven healthcare plans. Kind of scam is this, man. Folks, there's no excuse to be stupid anymore. My gosh. All right, I got the next to Susa coming up. We're going to talk about all of this. He's got a great new book out too. Have you ever asked yourself like, I have you ever question your faith? Folks, I have too. I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a center man. I don't pretend to be anybody. He's like moral high ground. The next has a book out showing how listen to the Bible. And a lot of these things you read, you may think they're like Asop's Fables or something. These are based in real history. We're going to talk about that. The rise of the DSA. We're going to talk about a whole bunch of things. Don't miss that. First, we got to pick the comment of the day. You know how the context works once a week? Contest. We pick a winner in the 1776 club. You get a prize of $1,776. We picked our winner for a couple weeks ago or last week yesterday. We pick a comment of the day every day. If you want to see the official rules, go to bongino.com/1776. The winner today of the 1776 live club is, yes, I'm sorry. This is like, J.O. Wichle in the chat, Dr. Fauci, you have to hands down, clear unanimous comment of the day today, select the Dr. Fauci J.O. Wichle, you're like an honorary member of the McGroin crew. Now, someone should reserve Vouchy McGroin for J.O. Wichle. Congratulations, J.O. Wichle. We'll see what happens with the rest of the week here. All right, quick break and we will get to Dinesh D'Souza. Don't miss this interview. Hey, a summer starts winding down. Why not do something that benefits your future self? One of the smartest moves you can make is building your credit and kickoff makes that easier than ever. K-I-K-O-F kickoff offers a simple, affordable way to get started. You can sign up in minutes, right from your phone with no credit check, no hidden fees, and no interest. With over 1 million users and hundreds of thousands of positive reviews as a reason kickoff is the number one credit builder on the App Store. Start building credit with kickoff today, get your first month for as little as $1. It's 80% off the normal price when you go to get kickoff.com/bankino today, that's kickoff without the C, get kickoff K-I-K-O-F.com/bankino, get kickoff.com/bankino, check it out today. 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So you have a new book coming out in October available for pre-order now, please go pick it up. It is called The Stones Cry Out, we're going to get to that because it's an important topic to me and my faith that the Bible and these historical accounts and the Bible and the historical accounts of Jesus and others. These are not just ASOPs, Fables, these are based in real things. So we're going to get to that. But I'd be remiss if I did not ask you about a couple of things first as a really close follower of conservative politics for a long time. We've got this infection, Denesh, you and I have seen. It comes and goes over time in the Republican Party and thankfully the good people in the Republican Party that are its base, squash it out. It's this collective guilt thing. Notice I didn't just say anti-Jew thing, although that's a prominent part of it because it's not just anti-Jew. It's the first we get the Saturday people, let me get the Sunday people. It's anti-Vangelical. It's anti-Protestant. The Jews are just an easy target. However, at some point, if you're going to run on this hate-filled garbage, you're going to have to show some constituency. And last slide, Florida's more evidence. There's no base for this in a Republican Party. There's a home for the Democrat Party, but not here. I agree, you've got a smattering of young people. They've been kind of contaminated by this kind of deep seeded, deep root of the hatred. And it's not just anti-Israel because you notice that the, it's also becoming now pro-Islam. We see this, for example, in Tucker's own trajectory. He started out with like Netanyahu bad and then he expanded to Israel bad, Jews bad. And then suddenly he was talking about Islam not so bad. And sure we are not so bad and Iran not so bad. So this is not merely a fixation on one issue. It ultimately corrupts the soul and the political soul completely. It does. And I've tried to explain to people having been involved in this as a candidate and activist on TV, podcasts, whatever it may be. You see and come across a lot of people in the movement. I'm not Jewish. It's not at all relevant to this conversation. I abhor and absolutely vitriolically hate collective guilt campaigns. That's a leftist victim identity politics thing. This person's good because of the melanin level of their skin or what their religion is. They're the preferred religion to Jor, Islam, whatever it may be. And this person's bad because they're not. It, I mean, that's totally antithetical to every single thing this country stands for of unalienable, individual God given rights. If this is part of your movement, I've said before, check me out, like I want no piece of that. Yeah, the United States, our attachment to Israel is the same as, for example, our attachment to Great Britain. We have moral ties, historical ties. And so there's been a quote, special relationship. This doesn't mean it's inviolable. It doesn't mean our interests always converge. But the way I look at it, that is a very bad neighborhood over there in the Middle East, right? Israelis live there, and they're pretty good survivors in a really bad neighborhood. They know how to fight radical Islam. So we haven't got that good of a record going back to 9/11 and even earlier. And so there's a lot that we can get out of Israel in this larger fight that we have to prevent. What is clearly a serious problem, Islamic infiltration of the West and attempt to sort of take all those Middle Eastern principles and apply them here in our country. That's happening right around us, and we can't be blind to it. Yeah. And what I find shocking on a move on to my next question, but just a kind of final point is a lot of the people commenting on this in podcast to stand have zero experience in the national security space at all. It doesn't mean you're not entitled to your opinion. I want to be clear on that. I am a free speech absolutist outside of breaking the law. You say what you want. It doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I mean, I have an opinion on neurosurgery. My opinion is I don't want it. Don't crack my skull open. It's bad. It doesn't mean I know what's happening with a neurosurgeon in my brain, you know, you know, getting into wernicke's area. I have no idea. I'm not a neurosurgeon. So what doesn't mean your opinion is valid. I got to be honest, I trust President Trump and Marco Rubio at this point. More than I trust you, it's simply, it's not a matter of trust me, bro. It's just a matter of, there's an information asymmetry. They're reading things you are not. And also, you know, I've debated a couple of these guys right now. And I realized that their scope of history extends about a decade. I mean, they go back to Iraq and Afghanistan. And they think that a universal model can be derived from that. And I have to remind them, you know, we've had regime change in like 25 countries over the last century or so. And most of the time, it's worked out for the better. I'm not just talking about World War II. Think about all the regime change that occurred, for example, in the wake of the Cold War, right? Regime change in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, and on and on Eastern Europe. And so, and all of that has been transformational and to the good. So this doctrine that regime change is always bad, I mean, I'd like to see some regime change in Iran and Venezuela if we can get it. Now, I'm not willing to pay any price to do that. But the idea that it's not a worthwhile goal, really? Yeah. Well, let's get to your book. And then I want to get back to a couple of other things going on in politics, too, but this is important. You have a book coming out. Again, folks, the book is called The Stones Cryout, available now for pre-order by Dinesh D'Souza. Please check it out wherever you get your books. Dinesh went out. When you initially had reached out to us, I said, man, this sounds like an unbelievable topic for me. I am a, or I was, I'm going to throw myself under the bus. I was one of those Christmas Easter Catholics. You know, when they show up, I'm not knocking anyone, folks, I was, I'm not, I'm just saying. That was me. You go to church on Christmas and Easter more because it's a social event than any active faith. That was me, okay? And then a friend of mine, who was a secret service agent and he was older than me, but a very nice guy. He handed me a book by Lee Strobel called The Case for Christ. I've talked about this book often. I taught CCD once. I bought the book for all the young kids. I said, at some point in your life, if you're not going to read this today, keep it and get to it. And the gist of the book is, Lee Strobel was a journalist and an atheist who wanted to disprove to a family member that, that this faith was just a waste of her time. And he wound up becoming not only a conver, but basically, you know, an evangelical for the cause, like, was out there speaking about the cause all the time. And one of the things he notes is that people die for their religion all the time, Denesh, you know that. But nobody dies for a religion they know is fake. The Apostles knew Jesus. So the gist of your book is the Bible in general. A lot of people think this is just some fairy tale of fake stories. Your book, you have some actual historical evidence. What's the best case you can make that a lot of this stuff was based on actual history? Yeah. And quite honestly, Dan, the truth of it is the Bible is even taught in churches. Think of Catholic church sermons or think about evangelical sermons. They treat the Bible as a series of morality tales. They will talk about Joseph or King David or the prophet Isaiah. And they talk about it without telling you like when did Isaiah live? What century? What was going on at the time? So in other words, they general approaches to ignore the historicity of the Bible. So I went to Israel for the first time, the end of 2022. I was very charmed. I kind of felt like I'm in the land of the Bible, but then I was exposed to this biblical archeology. It's been going on for about 150 years, but it's sort of accelerated in the last 25 years. And what we've seen now is just dozens upon dozens of artifacts coming out of the ground that support and confirm the historical truth of the Bible. This is about real people, real places, and real events. And not only the kind of massive figures of the Bible are corroborated, but sometimes tiny details in the Bible. So here's one. The, we all know about Joseph and his coat of many colors. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. And the Bible happens to drop the price to 20 shekels. Now interestingly, archeologists have been able to survey surrounding civilizations in that period of time. We're talking of around 1900 BC. And so we know the price of a slave in Mesopotamia, in Assyria, in the civilization surrounding Israel. And the price turns out to be, you guessed it, 20 shekels. Now, it's not a fixed price. The price of slaves was less before that and more after that, so there was evidently inflation. But in Joseph's own time, it was precisely 20 shekels. So the, you know, in the 19th century and later, skeptics would say, "Oh, the Bible was written hundreds of years later, after the events it purports to describe, they made a bunch of this stuff up." Well, nobody writing centuries later wouldn't know the exact price of a slave at the time of Joseph. Archaeology is able to verify that that kind of little detail that the Bible just casually drops happens to be right on. And Dennis, you're correct. I remember, again, teaching a CCD class with Paula for a couple of years. And, you know, they're younger kids, I get it, but you get a lot of the learning materials. And some of it is quite, you know, cartoonish. And it's for kids, I want to be clear. But when you read the Bible as a discerning adult, you realize if they were going to write, say, an Asop's fable, a fake story, you wouldn't write about the human beings in the story being as fallible as they were. I mean, King David, there's an endless litany of stories of succumbing to temptation. Solomon, all of these big features of the Bible, Abraham himself. I mean, they're not painted out to be anything other than fallible human beings who eventually found a path. So it seems kind of strange if you're going to make up a story that you would make everybody out to be just rather human. You'd make them out like a Superman comic. Oh, my gosh, unless Kryptonite, they're immune to it. This is a very profound point. The ancient literatures of almost every civilization are kind of distastefully boastful. They're all about, we're great, we're the greatest. Everybody else stinks. The Bible doesn't do that. So you're quite right about that. The other thing about it is no other religious text has been archaeologically, it's even able to be verified. I mean, no one even tries to archaeologically check out the Quran or the Hindu scriptures or the Buddhist scriptures. Only the Bible can withstand. It has withstood 150 years of withering, skeptical scrutiny. And here's the bombshell of it all. In 150 years, there's not a single, not one, important archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible. When archaeology first started, the skeptics were like, yo, we're going to use this as a battering ram against the Bible. We're going to show the whole thing is myth and legend. They haven't been able to do this. Now, you mentioned King David. Now, true, for a couple of thousand years, if somebody had asked you all the way up to like 1990, prove the existence of King David outside the Bible. You couldn't do it. But in the early 1990s, in a place called "Tel Dan" in Northern Israel, out of the ground comes a stone inscription. It's not written by the Israelites. It's written by the King of Syria, a guy named Hazael, and he's boasting about his great victories. And he goes, I want a huge victory over, quote, the house of David. So not only is he confirming David, he's confirming the Davidic dynasty of kings who succeeded David. And then now, in the 21st century, an archaeologist named Eilat Mazar has found the ruins of King David's palace. Now, that is a kind of mind-blowing story to itself. Eilat Mazar comes to an archaeological group and says, you guys need to move your visitor center because the palace of King David is underneath your feet. And they go, how could you possibly know that? And she goes, well, in the Bible, it says that King David did not build his own palace. He imported labor from Phoenicia, from the Phoenicians. The Phoenicians sent Stone Masons and Carpenters to build David's palace. And she goes, you know what, a Phoenician artifact, which is called a capital, the top decorated part of a pillar, a Phoenician capital was found in the ground at this very location. So why would the Phoenicians be here? Well, the Bible tells you they were here to build King David's palace. And so the fact that a Phoenician artifact was located here, and so she raises money, they do an archaeological dig, and guess what, out of the ground, giant pillars, huge walls, the ruins of what clearly isn't some private residence, but what archaeologists call a monumental building, dated back to 1000 BC, which is exactly the time that King David lived. So right now, I've walked in it, you can walk in it, the ruins of King David's palace are there for everyone to see. And Dinesh, when you go to Israel in the surrounding regions, I mean, the Jordan Rivers, totalologically real, you can go and see it, the Garden of Gisemite, they're actual places. I mean, you could go, and I strongly encourage you to do it. And by the way, it has nothing to do with Judaism or Christianity. It's the seed of multiple religions, as you know, as a history less than alone. Even if you're not, you don't have, you don't subscribe to a particular religion. That's your choice. As a history less than alone, you'll see these places are real. They existed. I wanted to ask you this because my journey with faith is, you know, I'm always struggling, I get to say it. I'm not anyone's preacher. I'm not trying to be anybody's moral hero or martyr. I'm just a guy who gets upset about politics with a microphone, and I'm honored that people care at all what I have to say about things. My journey with faith and, you know, my struggles with my own weaknesses, one of the things I did when I started to make this conversion from a Christmas Easter Catholic to really immersing myself in the faith, is I started to listen to the other side too, because I wanted to be able to make an actual argument. God gave me a brain and reason for a reason. So I started to listen to others too, like Hitchens. I know you're familiar with his old work, of course. And one of Hitchens, let me just frame this, the most powerful argument, I think, for the existence of Jesus was the argument I made about a Least Robles book that nobody dies for a religion they know to be faith. They were killed brutally, hung upside down, beheaded. You would think they would say, right? Then I was like, hey, gigs up. Like, I was just kidding. Jesus didn't really write, but they didn't. They were like, no, kill me. So they saw it. That's the difference to me, but Hitchens made an argument a while ago that, well, we were around all this time as human beings and this mystical God just shows up 2,000 years ago, I don't know where, but I think where Hitchens goes wrong or went wrong, is there's an assumption built in that you understand one, the reasons and all powerful God would do that. And that time, time, you understand time as God understands time. Like, in other words, time is just some linear longitudinal thing, which is even the physics sometimes dispute some of it. It just doesn't make sense. It's like, maybe there's a reason there you just don't understand. Like, my dog doesn't understand calculus. There's an aspect here that unites the believer and the unbeliever and that is the mystery of how God chooses to reveal himself. See, if it were me, if I were the advisor of God, I'd be like, listen, God, why don't you paint your name on the sky? Like, why don't you engrave the Ten Commandments on the moon? And that way, everybody can see it. There'll be no dispute about it. But God, for reasons unknown to you and me, decides, no, I'm actually going to unfold my story through history in a particular place, in a particular time, and within a certain bracket of dates, notice the Bible, which kind of historically begins with Abraham. That's about 2,000 BC. And the Bible comes to an end about 50 AD. So that is its time span. And even its geographical span is kind of limited. Its Israel involves some of the surrounding kingdoms, like Egypt and Assyria, later Babylon. But that's the scope of the Bible. Now, the incredible thing is that the Bible itself is written in this thunderous language of revelation, right? In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so the Bible doesn't prove things. It kind of asserts them, it declares them. I think what's fascinating is that in recent times, in recent years and decades, it's like God is now choosing to use a different language. And that's why I use this title for my book, The Stones Cry Out, because stones can't speak, right? But someone is speaking through the stones. And now, you mentioned Jesus, and I'm always fascinated by the great scene of the trial of Jesus, right? Because it involves these fascinating characters. There's King David, there's Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor, there is Caiaphas, the high priest, and then the most mysterious of all defendants, which is Jesus himself. Now, there's fascinating archaeology on all these characters, but I'm gonna focus on the high priest named Caiaphas. This guy, Caiaphas, is named in the Bible by only one name. Caiaphas. When Jesus is arrested, he's taken to the home of Caiaphas. Caiaphas organizes the Sanhedrin of the priestly council. He lobbies Rome to get Jesus executed. So he's a really important villain in the Bible. Now the historian Josephus gives us his first name, Joseph Caiaphas. And again, for many, many centuries, if you believe in Caiaphas, you'd have to believe it on faith. But in recent decades, they're digging in the priestly quarter, the aristocratic portion of Jerusalem, of ancient Jerusalem. And out of the ground come these boxes. They're called asuaries. It's a stone box. And in the first century AD, if you died, they would bury you in a tomb. But then when your body decayed, they would take your bones out, put it in a box and put your name on it. So out of the ground come these asuaries, about 20 of them. And their archaeologists look at them over and one of them is really ornate. And they see a name on the front. And it says, Yehosef Bar Caiapha. Yehosef Joseph Bar Sanav Caiaphas. They open the box. It's the bones of a 60-year-old man. And they date the bones and dates to the first century AD. It's Caiaphas. And the remarkable thing, Dan, is we're not looking at some stone inscription or some ancient writing. You're actually holding the bones of the high priest. So this great scene of Jesus' trial and crucifixion kind of comes to life archaeologically because you realize you're looking at real people and real events. That's it. I never heard that story about Caiaphas before. That's incredible. You know, your answer to the Hitchens question, I think, is incredible. And it reminded me a bit of another book I'm fascinated by. Hugh Ross, who wrote a book "Why the Universe Is the Way It Is." A very, very brilliant astrophysicist. He writes his book with religious overtones, but it's not a religious book. It's a book about literally why the universe is the way it is. And I hate that word literally. It's overused. And he talks about how you don't understand how intricate and delicate the math and physics that keeps the universe stable for us to see it is. He brings up this one point that if the earth was displaced, I don't know, a couple feet or whatever it may be in a few directions over time, like we would not be able to see the expansive nature of the universe. Like we're in this one pocket of our universe, this one small pocket, with a small margin of error where we can see everything, but no one else can. And he gives the physics of it, the astrophysics of it. And he basically says, that's kind of strange, no. Like all these other places they can't see is what we could, it's almost like we were given this window. And that's why I object to arguments, like Hitchens argument, that are very simplistic. Well, he just showed up late after the dinosaurs and decided to fix things because this timeline is awfully. You don't even understand how sensitive the timeline chronologically is to enable us to see the universal of the gifts he gave us. I think the point we're driving in here, Dan, we're both getting at it in slightly different ways, is that skepticism today is kind of on the defensive. It was on the march in earlier decades. But now what's happening is the cumulative evidence is stronger and stronger. And it's stronger in the domain of physics of biology. If you take, for example, the intricacy of the human cell, the human cell is like a supercomputer. And remember, the cell doesn't evolve, right? Darwin doesn't say, I'm going to tell you how the cell evolve. Darwin begins with life. And he goes, I'm going to show you how this form of life, transformed into that form of life. But he takes life itself for granted. And so now what happens is biologists look at the ingredients of life itself, the DNA, the cell, the molecular machinery of the cell. And it's mind-blowing. You mentioned these facts about the universe, and you're right. Hugh Ross is the man on this topic. Look at the earth. The earth is eight light minutes away from the sun. We kind of have to be where we are. If we're a little closer, we would break. We burn. We're a little farther. We would freeze. So life has to exist in this narrow bend. And the same is true with archaeology. What's happened with archaeology now is that there has been a piling up of evidence. And some of it is tiny detail. I'll give one more example. So in the book of Jeremiah, Jeremiah is kind of this doom and gloom prophet, and he's warning the king that bad things are going to happen to him. And the king is really mad. His name is Zadakaya. And he rounds up two of his sidekicks. Kind of like interns. And they're named in the Bible. One is your who calls son of Jeremiah. The other is Godalia son of Pashur. Weird names. And the king goes, you guys go like keep an eye on Jeremiah and report back to me. And so these guys do that. They become sort of spies. They follow Jeremiah around. At one point, they throw him into a pit. And I've actually stood in that pit. And so-- but they are minor characters in the Bible. They are in a few verses and a couple of chapters. And then they disappear off the stage of biblical history. Now fast forward, 2,500 years. And they're digging in an area of Jerusalem called the Ophel right near the temple. And out of the ground come these clay seals. Now, the seals are made of clay. They're used to seal correspondence. And the correspondence, of course, has disappeared. But the seals remain. And one of the seals has a name on it. Jehou call son of Shalamaya. And a two years later, another seal, Godalia son of Pashur. Now, come on. I mean, the beauty of this is that suddenly these biblical extras jump into the pages of history via the pathway of archeology. And the details are so obscure that the archeologist sometimes secular guys who find these seals. They don't even know who these people are. They take the seal, they put it somewhere. And then later, someone's looking at it in a museum and they go, "Wait a minute, that guy's in the Bible. That guy's in the book of Jeremiah." And so this is the way that biblical archeology has, in small cases and large, been authenticating the scripture. But more than that, it also shows the presence of the Jews in their ancestral homeland. I mean, going back thousands of years, by the way, Dan. So, you know, when I hear things like, you know, the Jews are colonizers, I'm like, wait a minute. You can't even colonize your own land. This is like accusing the Indians of colonizing India, the Irish of colonizing Ireland. It's absurd. And let's remember that America and the West are built on the foundations of Athens and Jerusalem. Athens, of course, referring to classical reason, Socrates, free speech, democracy, but Jerusalem, referring to creation, the Exodus, the Ten Commandments, the wisdom of the prophets and the Proverbs, of course, the Messiah, Jesus. So this book is a sort of intellectual defense of Jerusalem, but doing it using the greatest discoveries of 150 years of biblical archeology. Book is called the Stone's Cryout, available now for pre-order. Dinesh, it's kind of switching gears a little bit, but not really. You know, we're talking about faith and, you know, faith in higher, big, our God-given rights, you know, things that matter that are universal to all of us. But faith can be a bad thing too. I think we both agree. If you have faith in an idea that's self-destructive and you refuse to let it go, then faith can be destructive too. What I like about religion is, you know, the Ten Commandments and these guiding points you have in the Bible and the lessons by Jesus lead us in a positive direction. I bring it up because you've seen this return of something you've been fighting for, and I appreciate your work for decades, far longer than me, socialism. It's bad. I don't even want to say it's bad. It's never really gone anywhere, but you see it just like the anti-Semitic nonsense, it resurfaces, it gets pushed down by the real world when it comes back again. And it requires really a perverse act of faith that this next generation of socialists are going to be the right ones. That despite every generation of socialists that's tried its result in murder, destruction, imprisonment, poverty, mass starvation, that the next generation is going to get it. I really like Brandon Gill, you know, Brandon quite well, obviously, but it's going to require congressman and political leaders in the Republican side like Brandon, who, what they do is very smart. They let these hearings, they let these socialists and others answer the questions themselves and try to explain in their own words the nonsensical belief that it's going to work next time. There's an asymmetry here, the Nash. Socialism is easy to explain. Everybody's going to get stuff. It's going to be great. It's going to be free. The hard work is on our side where we have to message it. I think he engages that tool up on the Hill, great, let them explain it. Watch what happens when they engage in this ridiculous circular reasoning. Yeah, I have a couple of thoughts about this. The first one, a general point about faith and reason, notice that the areas in which Christians have faith are areas that are not susceptible to empirical verification. In other words, it's outside the bounds of experience. If I say, for example, I have faith that there's life after death. It's because there's no empirical evidence one way or the other. None of us can go to the other side of the curtain and see for ourselves. The faith is reasonable in that it is based upon a domain that can't be checked out, right? Similarly, if I say I have a belief in an internal creator of the universe, who is a spirit, not as similarly something that is not subject to universal empirical verification in that kind of scientific sense. Now, let's switch to socialism. In socialism, you have all kinds of empirical evidence, right? You have evidence of North Korea versus South Korea. Compare the two. You have evidence of East Germany versus West Germany. And these are really good examples because we're talking about the same people with the same background. Of course, if you compare two very different countries, you could say, well, it's the German culture versus the African culture or something like that. But we're comparing countries made up of the same ethnic group that have tried to rival economic systems and look at the results. I think what's going on now with these democratic socialists is that the leadership kind of knows all this. And so they are not really being motivated by idealism. Quite honestly, I think they're motivated by gangsterism. They are using the socialist sort of a snake oil to try to install themselves in power. Whereas their real goal is to feast off the carcass of these blue cities and extract wealth from them and have power over the people there try to keep them in a kind of state of perpetual dependency. So it's a gangster operation marching behind an idealistic banner. It's not idealistic anymore because no reasonable person today can look at social. I mean, think of it. Socialism is the most discredited idea since slavery. But can anyone with a straight face-- Can anyone with a straight face say today, you know slavery has been tried? But you know, it's not been done the right way. This time we're going to do slavery right. I mean, no one would say that it's too absurd. And yet, that's exactly what people do say with regard to socialism. I mean, the hall of the door, I mean, the examples. You forget, Camille Rouge, like, there's so many examples. Sometimes when I'm discussing it on the program here, I go, oh, damn, I should have mentioned that one too. You're right. It's just like the evidence is please. And with the surrogate brain of AI now, I'm sorry, but there's just no excuse to be stupid. We say on the show all the time. And I mean to be, you know, crass about it, but stupid is a choice now. You can just go to AI and ask questions and get answers. Dinesh, I really appreciate all your work, not just now, but through the years, you know, I've been a big supporter of all your work. If you haven't seen Dinesh's library of debates on college campuses going back 20 years, some of it's just gold. My favorite is him debunking the Southern strategy nonsense about the Republican Party. My personal favorite. Dinesh, thanks a lot for your time. Good luck with the book. The book is called The Stones Cry Out. Please pick it up on pre-order today. There's evidence folks. All you got to do is read it. Dinesh, thanks for your time. Dan, always a pleasure. I love that guy, folks. He's been around this movement for a really long time. And for those of you missed that, put in Dinesh Southern strategy when he just dismantles this guy. The Republican Party appealed to the racist, horrible people in the South. And Dinesh is like, really? That's kind of interesting. Because as the South started to dump the facto and de Jure racism and became a more diverse place, it also became, it's crazy, more Republican. It's so weird. It's almost like it's the opposite argument. Just kind of common sense, right? Man, again, great guy. Check out his book. Thanks again for tuning in. Make sure you tune in the Haley at noon. Sean Faris following after that rumble.com/haleyrumble.com/ Sean S H A W N and Vince every morning at 8 a.m. How do we watch on rumble? I get this question. Just download the rumble app. What does it cost me? Nothing. It is totally free. But I like to watch on the web. OK, go to rumble.com/banjino. That's free, too. We just asked one thing. You give us a follow while you're there. 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