Vita Vea on Buccaneers Big Win Over Panthers & Thurman Thomas Talks Josh Allen's Bills

Tom was looking at the other side of the field. And he just, he turned around, looked at me, and threw it to where he thought I was going to be. And I wasn't there. He called me to him after practice. And it was making me run routes with him. [MUSIC PLAYING] He was telling me how to run there and what to do and stuff. And he was telling me how to turn. He was like, how to turn my body and how to catch it. And I was like, I can't really say shit to him. So I was like, also, he was running routes. I was tired of him. Brady's got Vita Vega running fucking routes after practice, bro. [MUSIC PLAYING] He's a two-time pro-bola, a Super Bowl champion and the pride of EPA and the Bay. Let's get on Vita Vega. Vita, welcome to the show. How you doing? Doing good. Appreciate you for having me. Man, we're so excited to have you on, man, especially because you grew up where I basically grew up. I could play with a bunch of Polynesians. I mean, we used to do the Haka. We used to say Taike Mate, fight till death. We used to say da-e. We used to do it all, man. It's such a-- you know what I'm talking about. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know you talk about, yeah. Now, what's it like growing up in the Tongan community in the Bay? I want to let everyone know. Because when I went to Ohio, no one knew what Polynesians were. They just thought they were big Mexican dudes. I'm like, no, dude, it's their own community. Talk to us about the Tongan community in the Bay. Yeah, there's a big Tongan community in the Bay area, which makes sense to how you know a lot of Tongans and speaking those Tongan words you were speaking. Hell, yeah. But I agree with you. When I came to Florida, it was the same thing. Everybody thought I was just a big Mexican. [LAUGHS] It's crazy. Did you play for the EPA Razorbacks? I did. You did? I did play for the Razor, but I played one year with them back in high school. Obviously, I knew what rugby was growing up, watching and stuff. But I went out there in high school and started playing. And then I kind of started-- I started to love it a little bit too much. Because I started, like, we eating away from football a little bit. But some of the older guys that were playing there, they pulled me to the side. And I looked, you're a really good football player. I was like, go try that out. I was like, we're always going-- rugby's always going to be here for you. I was like, just go focus on football for now. Like, that doesn't work out. You can come back to rugby. Do you think any of the rugby helped you going into back to football? Like, the translation, any of that skill help you? Like a-- I feel like-- I don't know. I think what really helped me was growing up with my older cousins. You ever played the old school of Madden's when they had rushing attack in there? Yeah. So when we were at the house with all my cousins, it would take too much time to play a full game with everybody. So we played rushing attacks, so whatever win, since it was shorter, you'd have to pass the sticks up. So then when we get boarded playing games, we go to the park and play rushing attacks against each other. Hell yeah. And I was like in middle school. I was in middle school, and my cousins were like in high school already. And I was going out to-- I was out to playing against them. So I think that's what-- that's what initially helped me run in the ball in high school. That's crazy, because I grew up playing with this guy. Sioni Tavaki, and he was running back. I went to CSM with him. He played at Woodside High School. And he was like 250. And then I was reading-- I saw that you were running back in high school. I'm like, holy shit, this guy was running back in high school. Are you out of your mind? Could you imagine trying to fucking tackle Vita in the hole? It would have been crazy. It was funny, because in high school I was suspended. I did some dumb, but I got suspended in the first three games in my senior year. And I couldn't play. So I was playing scout team the whole time. And then when he came to the defense going up, I was like, like, I'm going to play running back. I got the ball, and I was running all over it on a whole defense. And then I got to the game, and it was like a third down. I forget-- I remember-- it was a full-back die. They called it a '35 Tahoe. And I remember just running the scout team. So it was like a third and two, or fourth and two, one game. I went up to our headquarters. I was like, run 35 Tahoe. I'll get the first down. And they gave it. He told me to run it. I went in there and scored, and for the rest of the year, he just kept putting me back in running back. Yeah, yeah. Who'd you model your running style after? Oh, shoot. There's a few. I think growing up in the Bay here, I grew up 49er fans. And I watched a lot of Frank Gore. Hell yeah. And then I don't know if you watched New Zealand All Blacks. I used to watch a lot of Joe Malamo is running back. Or his rugby highlights. Man, that's so awesome. Have you ever asked Coach Balls to let you get a little goal-line action up in there? Or what? I do mess around. And it's just like one of those things, you know, they say how to say out of mind. So on Friday, I always go stand by the offense, just to make sure they see me and just put some dawns in there, put some words into the ears. And hopefully they go with it. Hopefully they get a little, yeah, but yeah. Now, when I was playing, I played with the Who Man and the Sopa. We used to, every Friday, after practice, we would drink Kava. Do you guys drink Kava in Tampa Bay? We used to. We used to drink Kava out here. Who's mixing? We haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we haven't, we had a detackle here. It's Stevie, we can want to, yeah, he used to always mix for us, but sometimes my family turns out to mix a little bit with them, we're like, well, we'll get a good session in. But over here, it's just like nobody really knows how to mix. So it's just like, if I mix the whole bucket, like everybody will just take one cup and then leave. So it's like, it'll be a waste. It'll be a waste. So that's why I was like, you don't want to drink one cup and then leave. And I'm stuck with the rest of the bucket. You feel real good after drinking it all? Sure, you got to best sleep in your life. Yeah. Now, who is the Mount Rushmore of Polynesian NFL football players to you? Top five, top five, top five, all time. I think growing up, Troy, Troy's up there, gotta be, I want these up there, yeah, juniors up there. Yeah. But this is based off on my childhood growing up. So I think they came on the brothers are up there. And then Isaac, I didn't grow, I grew, I grew up watching a lot of Isaac. Hell yeah. So long. Oh, he played with him. He came and played with us. Yeah. He was the best, bro. You, he would wear a fucking basketball jersey every day. He would wear a basketball jersey and it would be, it would be three degrees outside. He would be wearing a basketball jersey with shorts, bro. I'm like, how are you doing this? We're in high school. I went to a San Jose State game one week in and I just see them wearing a, he wore a basketball jersey and it was like down to his knee. That's Isaac, baby. That's Isaac, man. It's like, but no one's gonna say nothing to him because the size of his bicep is like the size of my calves. It was shot. Both my, both my calves put together and that was his bicep when I see them out loud. I miss him. Oh my god. He's the best. He was the best. Now you guys are coming off a massive win against the Panthers on the road. What do you feel was, was, was starting to click this game? I think it was just, it was just one of those things. I know you play football. You play in the league. It's like one of those things, like I felt like our frustration was built up over the past couple of weeks and then kind of like, we kind of let it out this past week to practice and I feel like it showed during the game. And it was just one of those things where we came out there and clicked all three phases of the ball. And I feel like it's just one of those things that the game plan was simple, simple enough for us to go out there and execute and that's what we couldn't ask for anything else. You know, I'm saying like just, when you get a simple game plan, you just, you go out there, you know, there's no new plays really and you just go out there and you just got to execute. Everybody got what they asked for. Obviously, Bo is, he listens to a lot of us being a defensive coach. If you go to him with a suggestion, he'll listen to you. Yeah. Now how, how tough is Baker Mayfield, dude's coming off three weeks, four weeks on a dislocated thumb. Did you see the glove? Did you get to see the glove that the Tampa Bay braze made for him? What's the glove on? We all want to know what the glove is. He's got, he's got some crazy stuff going on. There's like a big old, he has like a big old, there's like a big old. briefcase on the sideline. I was trying to figure out what it was and I opened it. I was like, what is this? I opened it and there was like somebody told me it was like, it's supposed to keep a bigger hand dryer or something. And I was like, this is kind of crazy. It's a tough guy. I think after he missed, I was like the week, the week before or he missed his first gaming business was against Green Bay. And like during that week of Green Bay, he was saying he was like, I'm he was like coming around talking to us. He was like, I'm playing next week. I'm bigger. You got chill out. Just broke your thumb. Now speaking of gloves, why do you got a beef with gloves? You don't wear no gloves. What's up with that? I wore gloves last week. Those things were like, yeah. I know my finger was a little jammed up. So I was like, in practice, I'm going to put gloves on. And then I had a good practice one day and everybody got in my ear. They were like, damn, it could be the gloves. And just one of those things, you know, like superstitions are real thing and football. So it's just like, I was just like, packed them in my bag and warming the game. But I don't really have no beef with the gloves. I think it's more so it's one of those things like in certain moments where you can panic if you can't do certain things. And like, it's like being able to time my shoes easily. If I needed the time, yeah, even though it's bad, it's just like the top process of knowing like, I can't do anything and think gloves are on me to always thinking ahead, always thinking ahead. That's that's what I'm talking about. For me, for me in Florida, I feel like it's so hot and humid. That was like, whenever I had a gloves on, I felt like I couldn't breathe. So I was like, I didn't wear them. Yeah. I used to go through fucking like three pairs of gloves of game whenever we played Miami because you sweat. I hate sweaty hands. You sweat a lot down there. It's a lot. Now you play with Gronk and you play with Tom. So we've got some connection there. Would you learn from those two guys when they came on the bucks? Oh, when they came when they came here, the first thing I noticed was they're in a complete opposite. How so? That was funny. Gronk is goofy and everything. Tom was just straight to business. He was always like, it was funny because you barely seen him. He was either in a meeting or he was somewhere off with the AG doing some treatment or whatever. But it was funny because I had a story like, I had a full back pass. I feared what the play called was but they put me in an offense and we ran in practice and what what happened was the tie-in that was on the ball, he got knocked off the line. So like, it changed my route. So like, I had to run around them and then Tom was looking at the other side of the field and he just, he turned around and looked at me and threw it to where he thought I was going to be and I wasn't there. But he didn't know that I had to run around the tie-in because he got knocked off the line of scrimmage. And then after practice, he called me, he called me, he called me to him after practice and it was making me run routes with him. It was in the middle of the summer. It was hot as hell. And I went over here and sit down. I was like, dude, I can't really say that. I was like, what? When he came and I was like, I was in year three, I think, year four, year three. And I was like, I can't really say, I can't really say shit to him. So I was like, all over here running around, I was tired of hell. I was like, I ran like, I ran like eight routes and I was like, you tell me like how to run there and like what to do and stuff. Like you tell me how to turn, he was like, how to turn my body and how to catch it. And I was over there tired. I was over the tires, tired of hell. And I was like, I'm just going to do it. Okay. Brady's got Vita Veo running fucking routes after practice, bro. I was going to question myself. I was like, I'm a detack on it. I was like, why am I over here running all right. Let's get back on track. Who's one of the toughest old lineman that you've ever gone against? That you know, it's going to be a battle every week. Current or anytime. I think it was, I always tell people it was Ryan Jensen when he was still playing over here with us. Yeah. Who's current? Who's current? Let me see. It's always tough going against. I would say it's always tough going against the Falcons because they always run that real flat zone. So it's just like making your run side to side. Yeah. And just happens that we're playing them this week. You got to you got to penetrate them. Get up in there. Yeah. Uh, who's who's running back that you hate taking down or that's the toughest to take down. There's, uh, it's quite a bit. I feel like there'd be john's always a headache to deal with. I think your mirrors are headaches. Um, I think, I think I would say be john because he's one of those running backs. It's just so you don't like the fast guys, the quick ones. Yeah, but he's still like he dig. He'll about you bounce off of them if you're not like going up there and wrapping up on them. Are you a big weight room guy? Little bit. What's what's the most you thrown up? I don't throw much these days. That was like back in college. I just wanted to know. What squat or bench? What's your bench? I think the most out of bench was like 425. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's not as much of these other guys, but it's not much of the other guys, but I feel like I'm more, um, body strong than weight room strong. Yeah. What do you think it? What's what's your diet like? I told it back. I turned it back. Uh, I told it back a little bit. I I kind of got my dad died out in a little bit, but earlier, earlier in my career, it was, it was mainly in seafood diet. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, pig roast. Not home, yeah. Come on, man. Come on, bro, my pop order. We had so many pollinations. We used to roast a pig at our snack shack like Sam El Apate, his dad would go and he, they would roast the fucking pig and we would sell plates of pig at our snack shack, bro. You're telling me you can't eat that no more. You're not eating that no more. You remember when the little kids go get the dry skin, eat the skin. I still, I still eat that. I feel like now everything's in like moderation. I feel like I can't go too far out of the rectus hill, but it's just a funny story. I had a teammate, Will Ghost, and he can't tell me about it. He's like, let's roast the pig and his backyard. He had a big, he had a big yard. And then I don't know how, I think after the game, he started talking to my dad, but I feel like all, all, all pollinations are like just big trolls. I think my dad told him to dig a big old pig in his backyard. He made a big pit for nothing. What do you, what do you tell my teammate, my teammate, Will, Will came up to me and he was like, yeah, your dad told me he was going to come to the pig. He told me a big hole. He said, I dig the hole. He never came. And I was like, you should have talked to me first. I was told you he wasn't going to show up. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Man, so you got the Falcons this week. You already, I already know that you're in the zone because you're talking about the zone play. What's the big key to playing your division rival that Lena Falcons for your defense? I think the biggest key for us is setting that edge and stopping the run. I feel like they, their offense is built off their run game right now. Obviously, I haven't really looked too much into into who's starting that quarterback right now, but I know there's a little bit into that, but I feel like the run game is going to be real prevalent. And they're in their, and they're off as a game plan this week. So I feel like it would be a good test for us to go up there and test our run defense against them. Hell yeah, man. Well, Vita, man, thank you so much for coming on. Good luck. Stay healthy. And one of these off seasons, we got to roast a pig. Yeah, I got you. You got me. We'll do it. Let's do it, bro. Thank you so much for coming on, bro. Man, freaking love me, some Vita. What a beast. Oh, man, me some Vita. Man, it makes me feel like a mad CSM right now. That's what I, that was my, my upbringing right there. Shout out, man. People don't understand how awesome. Paulie's are in football. culture. I mean football is like part of like it's part of their it's part of their identity. Well, rugby as well. Yes. But like shout out to all my shout out to Tongue and Ansimo and friends. Man out to Vita Nafahu. Fucking. Who man? Who man? Samila Pate? All the boys, man. What a crew. What I saw. This is a good dude. Matt Talfo, Cione Talfo, Cione Tavaki. It's it's that was literally who that that was like my upbringing, bro. Oh, fully. That's part of your football story. It's in your DNA, man. Love them. And I remember I went to Ohio. I was like, where do Paulies? Like on our team, we ain't got no Paulies. Like, what the fuck's a Paulie? I go, you know, like the rock? They're like, no, he's just a big Mexican, isn't he? I'm like, she's luro. Oh, bro. Come on, man. Oh, he's not. Oh, man. I like Vita said he's actually the same thing. He's like, man, when I got to it's unreal. They're the they're the coolest people. They're the most loyal people. When they love you, you don't want to be on their bad side. Get right. How was he, uh, how's the COVID? Well, how's that taste? I've never had it. COVID's like, like really doesn't it just gives you like a little like chill vibe. Okay. I'll call it. They're not easy. Not alcohol. Okay. Just like a root. Yeah. And what you do is when he says when you mix, we would do it in like a big gatorade bucket. Yep. And you get like these cheese nets and you put the Kava in there and they sit and they squeeze the net with the juices and they sit and they mix it and then you just sit around and it's like, it's like it's like a leisureful like you everyone sits around a table. One guy sits at the bucket and he fills. He's the filler. There's only one filler and he'll always fill your cup and he'll pour a cup into your cup. Everyone just sits back and you relax and you talk. It was that's what we used to do on on our our Fridays. Oh yeah. So yeah, taking one cup and leaving is because it was always like short day. It was always short day, right? Yep. So Fridays, fast Friday, right after practice, you don't have meetings. So like you're out at like two and, uh, you know, a lot of the guys they like the routine of being at work. I don't know that maybe they want to go home. You know what I mean? So a lot of guys would sit in there and just sit in the chill and no meetings. Everyone have a nice smile on their face. Get ready for the game. It's like a it's like a very intimate, cool, cultural moment where, you know, you're just kind of getting to know each other. I love that. I love that. It's it's amazing. But I don't take one and leave. You sit around, man. Oh, you got to leisurely. You can't just be a hitter and quitter. Come on. You can't just take one and go. Come on. See that's why I beat it. He won't even fucking waste his time with it. 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It's the frozen genre of limbo field, both coming off losses, very different losses, but losses nonetheless, the three and three Panthers take on the four and three Green Bay Packers. This is set up to be a good one. It's another good one. It's gonna be a great game. Thursday has been blessing us. Jules, first and foremost, what do you think is the key to victory for each team in this one? Well, for me, the Panthers, they're the worst team at defending the run. Yes. The Packers are the worst running team, but Jacob's last week, I know we got a, we got a, you know, a pitch count with him. They always say that when guys are coming back, they had a pitch count. I can expect there to be no pitch count going against these Panthers. He looked pretty good. He looked, I mean, that was the best offense is looked. Oh, yeah. And the run game for the Packers this season. Yep. Just to let me encourage for 36 yards, but that's really nice. But there was a couple like explosion plays. There's a couple plays where, you know, he got hit in the backfield and he, he got three yards instead of, you know, instead of second and 11, it was second and seven. Yep. They got to recalibrate that team a little bit on how they're calling their plays. Get back to that, you know, run first, then set up that play action with Jordan love and those electric receivers on the outside. You know, I think if they can get back into that, which, you know, they got an offensive line that's struggling, but they're going against, you know, the struggling defensive line that can't stop the run with the Panthers. So it's in a slumbust in spot. I don't know what is. You know what I would. Packers, they feel like they got burned last week. I don't think Carolina feels like they got burned last week. I think that's a very the tape game. Can you define that for the folks at home tools? Yeah, you know, like Carolina, they were, they were losing. I mean, Tampa Bay was running the clock out at halftime. It was like 36 to not five or whatever it was. You know, Green Bay, they, they were in that game to the very last end. There's a couple things that didn't go their way. So, you know, they felt like they lot, they could have won that game. So I think that they're going to have a better week of practice. I like the, I like the Packers in this spot. I was real sad about the Carolina Panthers last week. I picked them on Fox kickoff. Yep. You know, to win, beat the buck in the ears and boy was I freaking wrong. Holy smokes. And I got punched in the mouth at home. That was tough. Now the one thing I'll give Carolina. Like I truly do believe Bryce Young will be way better this week. I do too. I think he's a guy that learns from his mistakes. He's such a cerebral type player. We're like, he's very aware of what's going on. You know, on the field, out of the field, he handles himself very well. I think they're going to, I think they're going to play better, but the Packers defense have been playing pretty well. Really well. They held the Detroit Lions at 20 points last week. That was a tough 20. And that was a good Detroit Lions offense. Really high power. The Panthers, you know, they've had scoring points. Well, last week, man, that was, that's a, that's a, that's an alarming loss. Yeah, letting up 43 is tough. 22 points off turnovers, especially to a team like the buck in here is that really haven't been able to run the football. And then Bucky Irving goes out there and he lights them up. Those nuclear, you turn the ball over. They take advantage of all those turnovers. Baker's first game back. Baker's first game back through 11 times. Yeah, Bucky Irving for 106, gain well for 88, soccer for 52. I mean, they gave up 258 yards on the ground, bro. Yeah. Also, the Packers, they take the ball away, bro. They're leading the league and take away sneaky, sneaky. So like, with how the Panthers played last week, I know there was a few fumble. There was a couple of fumbles, right? Yep. Strip sack. You had the muff punt. Yeah, they were, they were turning the ball over four times. Yeah, I think that's going to be a tough environment for the Panthers to go on the road and win. I like the Packers. Me too. And that one in this game is speaking of, of great duos, jewels. We've been talking duos lately. You had to pick one. Would go into the receiver's room. You go in coca in Tet or you lean in toward Watson and golden. I think for my ceiling, I think Watson and golden agreed. Actually, I don't know, man. Tet and coca, they've been playing really good and they catch the ball. Like I think the Packers, they're more explosive and they're more dynamic a little bit, but they're not. That's a tough one, but the drops. There's been a few drops for these Packers, like a lot of drops. Those have been haunting them. And I, I think golden will get better. I think he'll catch the ball more. He hasn't had this amount of targets or, you know, opportunities in two years since he was in college. Last year, they didn't really feature him. They had so many other guys that were giving the ball to facts. So I think, I think he's going to get better because he's a great ball skill guy. That was like one of his things. He could catch the ball. I think he tries to do something with the ball before he has it. He's, you know, he's got that ADD. A lot of guys get that sometimes where you, you, you know, you got the catch, but you're trying to make three guys miss. So you try to do the three guys miss before you make the catch and you end up dropping the ball or something like that. I feel you. And if it's just for fun here, you're starting to franchise tomorrow, Jules. You going price young? Or are you going Jordan? Love. Oh, just hypothetical. Tomorrow. You got to have one guy under center. Probably Jordan love. And in, in, in, in Bryce Young could potentially have a better career than Jordan love, but, you know, he's just, Bryce Young's a little small. I feel you. I know he's really good. But it's tough. It's tough. And he anticipates well. And he gets those deep drops where he doesn't look like he has a problem viewing the field with how he plays. That's not something you could say about every quarterback in this league who doesn't like to see the field. But I'm probably going Jordan love. I like his, they're both very similar. It's just Jordan's taller. Yes. And I think been around a little longer. Actually, I think Bryce is pretty good at that intermediate past game. Like he, he can dice up in the middle of the field. We need to see that more out of the back. We need to see that more out of the packers. We need to see shots there. But it's just been ripping off. It's just checking prey. It's a little much. And we got to get Tucker and some of these crossers or agree. Get these crossers going underneath. I think Josh Jacobs can help that too. Josh is great. He's the, he's the key when we talked about this week too. Very beginning of this thing. You said, what's the key? I think I think it's going to be Josh Jacob in the run game. Agreed. Agreed. And the packers. We talk about they take the ball away. But we got to clean up these penalties. A lot of penalties. Most penalized team in the league. See if I've been like, come on, man. The floor, baby. Let's get it going. Let's, let's tighten it up. Pre-snap penalties can't have those. No, can't have after no soul penalties. No. Let's like clean it up, boys. Yep. They're part of that NFC North. Which, you know, you can't get to pine there because all those teams are winning games right now. Agreed. Um, I think this is a, I don't think the Panthers are going to be out. No, no, they lose this game because they're in the South, which is the opposite. Not in direction wise, but in, also, both wise, both wise. You can win that thing with a losing record. We've seen it. We've seen it. We've seen it. There's always hope in the NFC. There's always hope in the South. All right. I'm with you. I think, I think the pack get it done this week. Yeah. Packers are going to get it done. I think this is going to be a really fun game to watch. I'm excited for tonight. That'll be awesome. I also think, you know, just packers at home, short week. What's the, what's the temperature going to be this year? As of now, we're seeing 54 and partly cloudy. Ooh, that's nice. I'm bad. Not bad. Far from frozen. No, that's, that's like a good, I like that weather. Football weather. It's good weather. You're going to start to see a little of the steam on the heads, maybe potentially a little. Oh, that's when you know it's football season. There we go. Yeah, baby. He's a pro football Hall of Famer. He's a college Hall of Famer. He's also a Buffalo legend and had a hand in building the new High Mark Stadium there in Buffalo. Let's get on, Thurman, Thomas Thurman. Welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on. How you doing? I'm doing great, man. It's a nice sunny day here in Buffalo, man. And I'm in doing what I normally do, man. Get up early in the morning, have some coffee, say hi to my wife, my kids and see them off the work. And I'm following them right behind them, going to work also. But, uh, man, just feeling great, feeling great. That's awesome. Like we were just talking that you spend your whole 12 months in Buffalo. You haven't left to Buffalo. Tell us how special a special Buffalo is to you. Well, you know what, I've been here, you know, I just turned 16 in May. And so I've been here 30 years of my life. The people here treat me like I was born here. I mean, I can't replace the relationships that I've had in Buffalo anywhere else. And, uh, you know, as long as, uh, you know, we got a pretty, a pretty good football team and a pretty good hockey team, which I'm involved with both. Um, I'm a state here, man. You know, during the winter time, I'm out shoveling my sidewalk, helping other people around the neighborhood shovel their sidewalk. You know, I just love it here. Like I said, I've been here for 30 years, man. And this is just my life that I live every single day. I saw you right OSU this weekend. How was it being back in OSU? Oh, it was awesome, man. I tell you what, I had great time. I, I had never actually been back to a homecoming before. I've heard about it. And, uh, it was outstanding. Me and my son went and we spent the entire weekend, uh, you know, visiting some of the home, homecoming venues and hanging down at Eskimo Joe's. And, uh, you know what, you know, you go back. I haven't been back since 2000, 2020. And, uh, you know, a lot of things have changed on their campus, but, you know what, man, to see like, the, uh, the 34 jerseys, the 21 berry sanded jerseys, uh, the Hartley dice jerseys, the, uh, the Mike and gutting jerseys, man, it was just an awesome scene to be around. And, uh, I really enjoy being down there. You guys were insane when you were at OSU. I mean, you had you and Barry. I mean, that's crazy. How, how was it sharing a backfield? Like two Hall of Famers in the backfield at OSU, in the glory days of OSU. And now OSU is playing pretty damn well with themselves. But how, how was that, you know, sharing a backfield with, with Barry Sanders? Well, I tell you what, I'm glad I got there before he did. I can tell you that right now. You ain't too shabby either, bro. You're pretty good. But, uh, you know, I was a junior and Barry was a freshman straight out of high school. And, you know, what you really couldn't really see, like what he was going to become, you know, uh, being a freshman didn't really get too much of a playing time. But I know my senior year of me and my coach, Bill Schimmick, who was a running back coach at the time. He said, you know what, his player here is pretty good. I say, I, I kind of see it coach, but I'm not quite sure yet. So I said to my coach, I said, uh, look, I know we talked about some goals going into my senior year, like rushing for 2000 yards, but I say, you know what, if there's a time where you need to put them in the game and we're winning by 20, 25 points or something like that, I was like, Hey, look, I don't mind. Just let him play because I want to see what he has. And so, uh, yeah, it was wild, man. We were roommates. My, uh, my junior year, his freshman year, roommates and, uh, you know, after that, after I left, man, he just exploded and, man, it's the, the barrier standards that we saw with the Detroit Lions for 10 years. It was incredible, incredible, but, uh, happy to be a part of that situation at Oklahoma State and haven't buried, uh, be there with me at the same time. Now, when you guys were roommates, who was taking out the garbage? Who was the sloppy one? What was it like being a roommate with Barry Sanders? Were you taking out garbage? Because I was roommates with Matt Slater and I didn't take out the garbage once, not once. Yeah, I didn't take out the garbage at all. No, no, no, no, no, I didn't do anything like that. And the thing about Barry is that you know, I'm sure you've met Barry over the years. You know, Barry's kind of a quiet guy. He doesn't really say too much. And I was kind of a quiet guy too. So I mean, the room was pretty much silent, but anything that had to be done, you know, Barry took care of it because that's the way, you know, me being a junior and him being a freshman. That's the way it had to be. Man, what a leader though. Did you hear what Thurmond just said, like, hey, coach, I know we, I wanted to go for 2000, but if you got a CM, you got to see him. And that's, that's so cool to hear just, uh, you would have been a great teammate. It would have been so fun to play with the guy like you. Now, let's move on to these Buffalo bills seven weeks in the books, Thurmond. What's the progress report? They're five and one, but what's what's your progress report for these Buffalo bills? Oh man, if we can get like midway without defense being like ranked like 15 or 14, I think that would help us tremendously. I mean, obviously having Josh Allen, uh, Dalton, Ken, K James Cook, uh, DJ Moore coming back. I hopefully this week against the Baltimore Ravens, you know, I mean, we got an offense. We can score 30 points again easily, you know, but it's the problem has been our defense to where, you know, we haven't been able to stop anybody. And I think, you know, when you talk to the old guys, you know, we're talking about, yeah, defense wins championships. They do and we have to get better. No doubt about it. And hopefully, you know, this is the first time that these guys have been in this type of defense, because Michelle McDermott was here. They were in a four three, you know, for not eight or nine years. And now they switch over to a three four, which is part of Jim Linners defense. And you have some guys who are not used to playing that position. And I think that hurts. So I said last week on the show with Tashmer, I'm like, the most important people that we have right now are probably the scouting department because they have to go out and find these players and be able to draft them to replace some of the guys that we have playing defense right now because they're playing out of position. So, uh, but a man, as long as we can keep Josh Allen healthy and keep our offensive line healthy, we're always going to have a chance. When you watch Josh Allen play, because I watch him play, when I watch him play as a former player, I'm sitting there like this guy takes a lot of hits. I know he's a big large man. I know he can, you know, he's faster than everyone. Do you ever get worried like I do? I worry all the time because he's been here for nine years and we've always had Josh play at least 15, 16 or sometimes 17 games. And I was thinking to myself, what would this team look like without Josh Allen for five games for five games? And I was like and we might be one in four or four and five. And I see that and I somebody was talking to me last week about the hits that he were taking or whatever and I was like, you know what, there's a difference, no, there's a difference in when he's allowing these hits to occur. And I say, look, he's in the second there when he breaks loose from the line of scrimmage. So he's six four to 40. And if a defense and back is coming up against him, that defense and back is what? 510, 511, maybe six foot. 185 pounds. I said Josh has at least 40 to 50 pounds. So I don't mind him running over the defensive back. It's just the linebackers and the defensive line. Who in the last couple of weeks have got some really good shots on them. So I do worry about that. But you know, Josh is a competitor, man. I think you just said in the article. They say I love the content. He said I wish I can get hit on the first bit of the game because I love it so much. Yeah, that that's that scares me. This league is undefeated. This league is undefeated when it comes to that. Man, what do you think? What are your thoughts on James Cook? He's having some problems right now, you know, with ball security as a former, unbelievable Hall of Fame running back. What would be some advice for cooks when you're going through a problem where guys are getting the ball out on you? Well, I think with Cook, man. I mean, he's such a dynamic player. I mean, I just love watching him, you know, run with the football and maybe catch a couple of passes out in the backfield. And all of a sudden, you know, when you look at tape at Georgia and you look at his first couple of years, you know, that wasn't a problem, you know. And I don't think that I've told him actually a couple of weeks ago is, hey, man, look, just protect the ball. Just be more aware of where your surroundings are. And once you get into a pile of guys, man, just protect the ball a little bit more. I know it take, now from a running back standpoint, if you're having those, you know, thoughts and you're probably known like people are going to say, well, if you punch the ball a lot, he's going to fumble it. And those thoughts go through your head, no doubt about it. And I just said, man, you just got to protect the ball level. Hey, if you have an opportunity to get through yours, just get through yours and go down, man. But I think what the bills have done over the last couple of weeks is that, you know what? They've gotten him out in space a little bit more. And they've been using Ray Davis and Ty Johnson in the office a little bit more. So I think that's kind of taken a lot of pressure off of James Cook. But I just say, man, but you got to keep playing your game, man. You just have to be more aware of what you're doing out there and you're surrounded is when you get in these crowds because they're going to stop trying to push the ball out all the freaking time. And so he's, you know, he's taking it to heart, you know, he wants to do better, but he also wants to not have that take away from his explosiveness. And I said, Hey, look, one has to give, you know, we know you're explosive football player, an explosive bag. So just protect the ball a little bit more. Yeah, it's it's almost like risk management. It's, you know, going right here because I mean, look, these guys are insane at punching the ball out right now. I mean, I remember when we would go against the running back that had fumble problems, bill would throw up 45 plays on, you know, fumbles or potential punch out opportunities on these guys. We'd have this ball security tapes. Once bloods in the water, these jokers are looking for it and they gotten better than ever at punching these balls out right now. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing how you know that technique. I mean, obviously, you know, you know, Peno Tillman started that. That's what he was doing, you know, and all of a sudden, man, it's just, you know, and the thing about it is that when they do it, man, it's in a real small space. It's not like the running back is like having a ball out here carrying, you know, outside his body, it's tucked right into his, you know, his shoulder right into his armpit. And but you find a little bit of circle, man, and you have to and you have to get a perfect punch on it too. Really, right? To get it out, but these guys, I'm like, they work on this all the time or practice. I guarantee you they do. Yeah, that's why he's tackling this probably a lot worse now because everyone's going to say it is right. Yeah, I'm saying something's got to give they're getting the ball out, but the tackling first. Now, before we talk about this new high mark stadium, we got to pay some respect to Old Orchard, man, I had a lot of battles there. You had a tremendous amount of battles there and a lot of great memories. What was your favorite memory at Old Orchard? Oh, man, you know what? There's so many memories that I had at the Old Stadium at Old Highmark. It was, it was unbelievable. It was stated, like to say, the stadium was built in 1973 and, you know, just really the modestest past year. But, you know, I can think of one memory that really stands out in my mind is that, you know, when you look at the Buffalo Bill's history, you know, I mean, I started back in 1960 and they won the AFL 64 or 65 and, you know, up until that point, you know, the leading known people were Jack Kemp, Joe Ferguson and OJ Simpson. And they hadn't really had any like success during those years. They won the AMC East, I think back in 1980, it was, and that was their only one. And so this group comes along. Our group with Jim and Bruce and Darrell and all these guys. So, I think the most fondest memory that I've had of that stadium is that when we beat the Raiders 51 and 3 and went to our first Super Bowl, just a tear, the joy that you look up into the stadium and those people are like, finally, finally something really great has happened to the Buffalo Bill's community and this organization. So, I would definitely say that writes up right there. Number one, number two will probably be the greatest comeback that from being down 35, 35 and through against the Houston all is coming back in and winning the game 41 to 38. So, those are my top two backup quarterback, yeah, with Frank Wright. And actually, I didn't even play the entire second half. Kenny Davis replaced me. So, I mean, we were going with two backups. And I tell people all the times, like this game here was Andre Reeves breakout performance. I mean, he had three touchdowns over 150 yards and like, he actually took over the game. And, you know, when myself and Jim out there, you know, Jim usually gives him a lot of the credit, you know, and I would get a little bit, but, you know, with us too missing, Andre had an unbelievable day. Wow. What a great teammate Thurmond is, man. That's awesome. Now, what are your thoughts on the new High Mark stadium? I love it, man. You know what? You know, we won overnight, which was great. I guess the Detroit lines, but I hate that I first lost him against the freaking New England Patriots, man. I'm like, anybody else. And like, I was like, you know, things just cannot go our way, right? And then you had Tom Brady telling the only announcement in the game, like he won 33 out of 35 games. I guess the bills at the old High Mark, but, you know, I think it's an outstanding stadium, man. I think the fans really appreciate it. You know, we had a hand in building it, and along with Turner and Gilbein, and Carhartt was a big part of that and a big part of, you know, the success that we had, you know, building the stadium and having that gear out there. So it was an outstanding project for three years and I'm absolutely loving it, man. I hope the fans really appreciate it because they earned it, man. They earned it, especially, you know, going through those years where we didn't make the playoffs for 17 years in a row. And now it was sudden, you know, we got Josh in this new stadium and we still got a pretty damn good football team. And I don't think people really understand you have a construction company and you actually help build the stadium, right? Yeah, yeah. I have a construction company called 34 Group, and we've been in existence now for about 10 years now here in the Buffalo area and outside of Rochester. You know, we do commercial only. You know, we put, we actually put in all 60,129 seats in the new High Mark stadium. So, I mean, it's been a project and it's been a company that my wife and I really do love and you know, we, it gets me back out in the community and to go into these jobs and bid on these jobs. I get to see people that I haven't seen in a long, long time, but also get to meet new people in the construction world. And I think that's what really, you know, that's what really has kept me, you know, hearing the Buffalo air just kind of still have to be in here for 30 years. I'm still meeting new and great people. I mean, that sounds awesome. I mean, we did a campaign with Carhartt, you know, about this as well, and they jumped in and they keep on talking about the people of Buffalo built this stadium and it can't be any more true of, you know, our guy, Thurm over here actually was part of building the stadium. That's so awesome. Now, I got to ask, I got to ask a random question. When you were, when I was a kid, you were the only guy that wore the single bar, the closed base mask. What I always wanted to ask, why did you wear the single bar? It, it, it, it's spewed toughness, which that's the kind of player you were. But like, what was the reasoning behind the bar? Did you get poked in the eye or something? There it is, right? There it is. Got to poke in the eye. I got poked in the eye and at that time, I was like, you know what? Let me look at what my hero wears and my hero was Pearl Camp, right? Pearl Camp. Tyler Rose, Universal Texas, right? And if you looked at Earl Campbell's face mask, you know, he had the same thing, you know, and so I, I, I, I started wearing that probably in eighth grade and never switched, never switched back and never switched to another face mask or whatever. And then once I got to college, then I, you know, I had a partial my ACL, then I had to wear a brace. And I was like, you know what, this just fits perfectly. Like a workhorse type of guy. I got a brace on. I got this face mask that pretty much no running back probably would ever wear, right? So I'm looking more like a defensive line when it's something like that. But yeah, I got it, man. I got folks in the eye. I wore that face mask and wore it to the day that, you know, did I retire? You got to be a bad mother to be wearing a bar down the face. And and and and you can do it's running dudes over. I mean, that's, that's awesome. Before we let you. I think it, I think it, I think it just fit from being here in Buffalo, man, a blue collar town. Yeah. And I just came to work. I just came to work every single day. I didn't, I know Dianne always talks about feeling good, look good or whatever it is. I just want to just play football and be out there in the football field and work my butt off. Man, I ain't no other person you want having it more in Thurman. That's that's a just a great teammate. We got to ask before we let you go. Who's the Mount Rushmore of Buffalo Bills for you? For me, man, it's four spots. Sports wise, I would say, I mean, Jim Kelly, Bruce Smith, I mean, I would say I would say OJ would be there. And I don't want to put myself up there because I'm, I'm building my own Mount Rushmore. And so I would let other people do that. And I can say right now probably, you can put half of Josh Allen up there right now. Half of Josh Allen. Yeah, I see if he continues on this run of whatever and I wish and I hope and pray that we do get a Super Bowl. I hope he does, you know, bring a Super Bowl here to Buffalo. But I think the things that this guy has done. I mean, when you talk about Josh, there's always, oh, this is the first guy in history to do this. This is the first guy in history to do that. It's always a first, it's always a first with Josh, right? And so yeah, I'm like, you know what? I'm halfway there of building and job being that fourth guy in Mount Rushmore. I mean, without a doubt, if he goes out on wins one, without a doubt. Oh my God. Yeah. If he goes out and win one, just put them up there by himself. No, I got it. You got to give respect to the the founding fathers. I've always said that I think the greatest player in Buffalo Bills history is Bruce Smith. I think if you look at his body of work and what he meant for 20 years in the national football league and 17 years here, what he did was incredible. And if you look at all our Hall of Famers, coaches include, he's the only defensive player that we have in the pro football Hall of Fame. He's, he's a, he's a damn good one. He's a legend. He's a good, yeah. He's a great one. Now if Buffalo goes on wins the Super Bowl this year, can the city survive it? I don't think it will. I don't think the city will survive. There's a, there's something going around over and under of how many people will die from drinking. Yeah. Seriously, seriously, this is how you can talk about the Chicago Cubs. You can talk about, you know, the Milwaukee Brewers might win their first world series, right? But I'm going to tell you, there would not be a party like the Buffalo Bills with Bills Mafia if we do, if we do win a Super Bowl. I'm going to say when we win a Super Bowl because I think, Josh, we'll get it done. I think, I think this thing will get it done. Well, thank God we got 34 group to clean up and, and rebuild, to rebuild the city after they have so much fun and destroy that thing. We got 34 group, they'll, they'll clean that thing right up. We'll have some seats ready and everything. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Turn it just turn down, baby. Burn it down. Third, thank you so much for coming on, man. You're the man. You're a legend. We love you over here at the Gronker Jewel show. All right. Appreciate you guys. You think deciding whether to go for it on a fourth down in the red zone is complicated. Look, we spend way too much time complicating things. 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Responsibly, of course, that's right. It's time for responsible wagers. Let's get into it. Starting off with the spreads. We are really liking this week. Jules, first up, we got Colts, first Jags, Jags minus seven and a half. This one is calling our name. Yeah, Jags off a buy week. They were in London for two weeks. They went one in one. They had a game where they, they shouldn't have lost. No, that, I mean, to Houston, that's got to be leaving a bad taste. I mean, that has to leave a bad taste and the Colts, it's a fire sale here soon. After this game, I think it's going to be a fire sale. Agreed. Like, I love the Jag wires minus seven and a half. Colts is, you know, like, they got good players, but there's just something missing. They're firing the GM, you know, what's next. They didn't have really good performance last week. Their defense played pretty solid against not so great and not so great offense. I expect the Jags to come out. Lee and Column off a buy week. They're going to have some stuff going. The defense is really good with Jacksonville. I love Jacksonville minus seven and a half. I hate high spreads. No, that's, that's the thing. We never do high spreads. Don't like high spreads. Also Colts traded. Quentin Nelson. What do you think about this trade? Let's, let's go there. It's a really great football player. A time pro-buller. I want to know who else was in the runnings. Who else tried it? Patriots murmurs, but I don't, I'd never thought that I didn't. Colts will never make the Patriots better. No, that's a big trade. He's on an expiring contract. The fire sale starts. It is begun, baby. And while he's getting good, we won't get into that. No, man, next up, next up, Jules, we mentioned them earlier. Minnesota at Detroit. We are liking Minnesota plus three. Getting points on the road. I can see Detroit sneaking a win in. But I like Minnesota. I was going to say that three feels like a lot too. That's a lot. This is Minnesota that defenses playing real well. Beflow. He knows how to, he's going to, he's going to have some answers for that electric offense. Agreed. And this was an offense that only put up 20 last week against Green Bay, whose defense is good, but it ain't nothing like Minnesota's defense. Yeah, well, 0.8 points per game. This is a historic defense. How do you, how do you mess up Jargoth? Get him off the spot. Pressure in the middle of the pocket. Beflow is going to have some things for that dial. I like Minnesota. And the defense for Detroit, like this could be like, yeah, Minnesota didn't look great against the Colts last week on offense. Right. But they're getting better. They're getting better. Okay. They're still get, I still trust Kevin O'Connell. How do you do? Get in Kyler Murray, right? Yes. And this is another one just kind of like we talked about in that Carolina Green Bay game. This is a defense that is so bad. I don't want to pile on that your offense. It's been a little bit putrid. Could see some improvement again. Jordan Mason back was big last week really big. That was huge in the run game. They got to, they got to, they got to still try to get that going. Get that going. I mean, you heard in Kevin O'Connell's post game press conference that like, Hey, we had more balance. They want more balance. And then I think Kyler Murray got to use those legs, man. Yes, don't be a trade Detroit. I don't think Detroit's going to have the rush lane integrity. I like Hutch. I can see Hutch doing some spin move inside, doing some crazy thing in Kyler Murray, just going for 30. I hope so. I hope to see how Shepard handles it, man. Yep. This could be a slump buster for Shepard in Detroit. But I like, I like Minnesota with going and it's worth noting Detroit, not great against a spread this year. Just one in five. Just throwing it out there. I don't know if I'm wrong. I really like you like you Minnesota me too. Let's go be flow. Um, next up Jules, another divisional matchup we're heading to the AFC North. Browns plus three and a half, three and a half at stillers. This is their second meeting this year. Browns got the first one. I don't like 70 fours at three and a half, right? It seems like a lot of points. It really does. Now, I know those Steelers had had a couple, you know, good wins. They beat who they beat in England. Steelers went over there and beat the Saints. Beat the Saints. France. Yeah, in France. You would have thought it was England based on those those clothes. Higgy blinders. Higgy blinders. Yeah, I love the Browns. I like the Browns defense. Ward. It's one of the best players in in the NFL. Really good corner. Oh my God. Really good corner. I just they they've been very tough and stout with all their games. Like the offense hasn't got it rolling in the first half. I don't think all year they've been doing all their justice in the fourth quarter, but that defense has been lights out all year. They got playmakers on every level. Oh, yeah. I mean, 12th and total defense, 12 scoring defense, top 10 and passing defense, allowing just 200 yards per game, rushing defense, not great, allowing 1160 in the game in the bottom 10 there, but uh, I like, I like the Browns. They're finding ways to win to every week, which is a week in a week out. I don't know if they're going to win it, but I don't think the Steelers are going to beat them by three and a half. I actually know the Steelers won't beat them by three and a half. I'm with you. I love the Browns. Me too. I think there's a responsibly responsibly. And there's never been a game they're out of. They're hanging around every week. No. Yeah. They they've been in them all. They're mentally tough. They've shown that with their five wins, having five game winning touchdown drives or game winning drives, fuel goals. They've had two games. Last second fuel goal. I mean, I like the Browns are the Browns going to sweet. I that's that's the only thing that is in my crawl a little while. We're not going pick them. We're not, we're not, we're not money lining. No, no, no, we're using points. Spreading it out, you know, we're using the points. They could lose by a field going. We still went. We could make a lose by a field. Shout out to the hook, baby. Next up in our responsible wagering segment. Jules set to the overrunners. Well, I've also more runners. We have isolated Ravens bills over 53 and a half. The only tricky thing here is we don't know exactly where Lamar is trending toward playing. We don't know exactly though. The overrunner is 53 and a half here 81 total points. Last time these teams met last year. So we've seen the shoot out. We've seen the track meet. I like this. The defense for the bills, even with Snoop in there has been struggling. It has been struggling. It's, I mean, they're giving up 28 points of game. And if Lamar goes in there, we're, we're putting a lot of money on this. Yes. And I mean, the Baltimore at the same time is giving up 22 game. And these offenses, both can put up points, even with Snoop, we've seen they can put up points. Yeah. This is this. I love this over. I do too. And another over I'm liking this one's calling to me green goblin mask style raiders jets early spot for the raiders, 10 a.m. kickoff form coming across the country over under 44 and a half. I like that too. I do. It's your cousins. What's he second in the NFL and touchdown passes? Yep. You know, I the run game hasn't been very great for the raiders, but they could still light you up and you saw the shot of confidence. Yeah. Oh, Clint gave, gave a courth. They can air it out. They use his gone over this number and for their last six, the jets, both their last two games have gone well over. Yeah. And Gino and the boys have been getting it going. And Gino's taking care of the football, taking care of the football. That's the only thing that kills the over darn right. So I think I really, really love. I mean, this might be one of my favorite picks of the week. And next, Jules, a game we mentioned earlier, Colts, Jags, let's go under 46 and a half. What do you think about that? I love that because what Colts just gave away their best player on offense, second best hand. You know, yeah, went Nelson or Taylor. They gave away Nelson. Yeah, I like the under on this. Okay. I love that. I got the best run defense in the NFL 72 yards of game number, earned score defense. Yes. I mean, and they can still put up 30 points. Do we think the Colts are going to have 17? No, I don't, I don't at all. Don't, don't backdoor over us. No, no, no, no, I don't want some backdoor over Liam Cohen puts up 50 or something. Like you don't need that. I think this is staying under. We're staying under a divisional grind it out game at the end of the day. Um, division game. That's what people division game. They know each other. People need to remember division. I mean, it's a division football, a different division games, man. Yeah, hopefully they don't go over that. No, I don't do what it's responsible. Do we need to be responsible? This is responsible. Okay. So we're three for three on responsibility. I mean, the Colts, they can't get anything going on on offense. They can't get anything going. And both teams got to go. Come on now. Stamp it. Responsible. Stamp it. Last jewels, but certainly not least in our responsible way during segment, the slot machine prop of the week. We're tonight. What we've done the last few weeks here. We are isolating it to tonight. We got killed with AJ on one of these. We did. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. That was. I wasn't responsible. I was pushing hard. I was pushing hard for that. And turns out it was irresponsible. Come on, AJ. Get going, baby. I'll be back. He's got to get going. First up to see if we passed the smell test. Matthew Golden, Green Bay Packers over four and a half receptions tonight for the Panthers. Your thoughts, tools. He's banged up, banged up. He said banged up some this week. Um, how many? He's been getting a lot of target, he's been getting a lot of targets. And he's gone over this number in five of their seven games, including the last three. Um, I love it. They're hitting him with, with your right, you said, you're they're hitting him with targets. He's got 36 catches on the year, 15 yards of catch average, three touchdowns. I love it. I mean, he had 12 targets, 13 targets, seven, gonna get about nine targets. So if he drops to, it'll still be good. I was gonna say you got some wiggle room there and moving on. Staying in that Packers wide receiver room, Christian Watson over four and a half catches. Yeah. I mean, the, it's golden in Watson. That's the show. That's the show. I know now they're going to throw to Tucker Kraft when we say that. But this is very responsible. Agreed. Because he's going to have probably like nine eight catches. I think tonight football. He's got the Grunk and Jules bump, bright lights, bright lights. Yep. Going against the second year that's kind of just whatever. Yeah. You'll be all right. I think we'll be all right here. I like that. And then I'm moving over to the other side of the ball or the other side of the field here. Jalen Coker, the Panther's locker room here over 73 and a half receiving yards. He's come up from 40, 40 yard game. That's not going to get it done. But he's gone over this in four, their last six games coming off a, you're not a great performance. But I think he's due here and we've seen him get in target a lot. He's been getting target a lot and he's been ballin' on the low. Coker's had a big, big few games this year. Like some of his, some of his games, I got to be honest with you, snuck by me. Like 138 yard game, 66, 18, 97. I think everyone's going to be looking at TET. Everyone's going to be looking at TET and Coker's going to have a huge game. I know it's a top 10 secondary with Green Bay, but I love Coker over 73.5 yards. You go back two weeks ago on the road at Philly, 13 targets. Oh, he smokes. That's a lot of opportunities to get. He's ballin. He is black, Coker. I like Coker a lot. These are very responsible. Stamp them all responsible, responsible, responsible, responsible. Four of you last week. We were four and two not to pat ourselves on the back. I'm four and two back. That's responsible. That is responsible. The week before that four and four. Hey, we've been in the week before that. I think we were five and three for that. Okay, we're responsible. We're getting there. We're getting there. And we're picking it. We're going to pick it the right time. What an episode. Thanks again, David Avella and Thurmond Thomas. Grunk and I will be back on Monday for an all new episode. Subscribe to the Grunk and Jewel Show on Apple Podcasts. 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