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Victoria Monét Has Us Feeling the Love

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Victoria Monét Has Us Feeling the Love

Victoria Monet reflects on her personal and artistic evolution through her new album, *Frequency of Love*, which serves as a deep exploration of love in all its forms—family, romance, and financial—rooted in her healing journey after the Grammy win. She describes a shift from the aggressive, driven energy of her earlier work, like "Jaguar," to a more tender, self-aware, and spiritually grounded state, influenced by culinary school and connections with her grandmother. This transformation is mirrored in her music, fashion, and lifestyle, blending vintage 1940s–90s aesthetics with authenticity and self-expression. Victoria shares how she uses alternative healing practices—like breathwork and Tai Chi—instead of traditional therapy due to time constraints, emphasizing emotional self-care as essential. She also opens up about family dynamics, such as refusing to cook chitlins due to strong negative memories and sensory aversion, and navigating parenting with boundaries and care. The episode features a fun, interactive "sauce" recipe that symbolizes her approach to life—simple, customizable, and deeply personal. Through food, music, and shared experiences, Victoria illustrates a philosophy centered on authenticity, emotional safety, and living on one’s own terms. Her openness about challenges, from online criticism to parenting decisions, underscores a commitment to growth and self-discovery. Ultimately, the narrative celebrates the journey of becoming—where success isn’t measured by accolades, but by inner peace and authenticity.

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My family didn't really cook chitlins as far as I know, but I smelled it as a friend. So I was like, "Your mom, I think she's sick." - This is my mom. - I smell [bleep] - I like literally. - At least not you or me, but I think-- - I don't know if I'm eating none of this. - I have to go. I'm gonna call my mom. [upbeat music] - Hey, girl, what's up? How you doing? - Y'all, Victoria Monet is pulling up to the house right now, and I feel like she has been cooking. Literally, in the kitchen and in the studio, she's got a new album, a new tour, and it feels like a whole new chapter in life. But I wanna know what else she's been cooking. - Is that my girl? - Is she a girl? - What a girl? - Look at you. - Look at all good. - You look amazing. - I know that's right. - I'm here on you. - Girl, I let this call on you. - Yeah. - You better be at 90's dream. - Let's go. - Let's go. - Oh, wow, wow, wow. - Come on in here, girl. - Yeah. - Okay, so first of all, I know you see these ingredients, like I thought we was eating. We're definitely eating. - We're cooking. - We're cooking, 'cause I figured you know, you chef and now, you know, I figured we'll put it in a flick of the wrist, you know what I'm saying? So in honor of your saucy Sundays, we're gonna dig into some sauces. But before we get to this sauce, I figured we start with an earlier sauce. - Okay. - You know what I'm saying? - I'm gonna do that. - Bam. - Ooh, yeah. - Yeah. - Way to get saucy for real. - For real. Now I'm calling this Monet in the bank. - I love that. - It's a little pineapple, a little basil, a little lime. - There's money in the top. - You see the green? - Okay. - You see the green. - Cheers. - Cheers indeed. We both got eyes. You saw that, right? - Mm-hmm. - Eyes. - What's the thing? Palentro, palesantos. - Palas, chocentro and-- - And the central? - Yeah, and together we do. (laughing) Oh yeah, that's good. - That's delicious. - Okay, so this new album, frequency of love. - Yes. - You've been driving folks crazy with this one. With the music videos, the choreo, the Eiffel Tower, I was like, (cheering) first of all, I said, somebody called Sean Banks here right now. 'Cause we gonna need some easier choreo. You know, got me throwing my whole knee out, just trying to-- - Eiffel! - Well, you know what? I thought it was easy enough because, you know, in the second verse we just walked. - Yeah, you thought it was easy. For you it is. That's my knee. I got a whole break to take it off when you pulled up. - Oh, no. - But it's so cool, this frequency of love. It does feel like you're on a journey through different expressions of love, from like familial, romantic. - The love of money. - Love it. - Love it. - Hello. Where did this come from for you? Where is this living for you? - It was a reflection of what I was doing and experiencing while making the album. - Okay. - It seems like my story kind of starts from the Grammys on. - Yep. - Like for the three years after that. - Yep. - And after the Grammys, I was so excited and so happy, but also a totally new level of pressure came upon me. And I was also really busy and really stressed and spread very thin. So I had to do a lot of healing. All these different modalities that I was experiencing to get to that healing all the way from breath work to culinary schools, Tai Chi, boxing, side quests that really helped my mental space. - I'll never forget running into you. And I was like, where are you going? I thought I'd get to class. I was like, class, I gotta get to class. I was like, this is how I'm real. So I'm so excited. I don't want to dive more into the album. But we got some situations that might come up. - Okay. - And I want to know if you're tuned in or if you're tuned out. - Ooh, I like this game. - All right, so you go first. - Okay. - Having full-size portraits of yourself at home, I'm tuned out. - What? You don't have any of that from all right? - Um, I have-- - I just knew you would have that silver situation. - Actually, to be honest, I-- - Like going up on a wall somewhere. - It's not on a wall, but I had a release party for the R.I. music video. And at that release party was a poster of, you know, a post from the music video. Someone gave it to me, but I believe it's in storage. I feel like-- - Okay. - And put it above your bed. - No. - It's not like, right when you walk in and this is like, this is victorious. - No, no, please. 'Cause I would, it would really irritate me. - But I do have these-- - No, please don't. - No, no, no. - Oh, Hazel. - Yes, there's a painting. - There's a painting by a really amazing black artist. It's like a Grammy portrait of her. So that now is upstairs. Hasn't even been hung up. Yes, there's better. It's like tilted against my own heart. - Listen, like sometimes I'll put you through it. - Well, what do you think about it? What do you have? - I don't have really anything, I don't have to hang up yet. - Okay. - I'm still in the process. I got stuff sitting on the floor. - Yeah, okay, yeah. - You saw the screening room. I got chorus, I'm still trying to hide. - I'm sorry. - Oh, I love it. - I appreciate that. But I'm curious to know what you think about artists who play their music, especially like the, you know, they're like, get into the mood music in the bedroom. Like, would you ever put on a frequency of love? And, you know, I'm saying, you're getting in. - Unfortunately-- - You know what I'm saying. - I've put on a playlist before and I've come on that playlist. (laughing) And I don't mean come on that playlist. - I mean, I'm gonna play it. (laughing) - I want to be very clear. It was not that hot today. So what did you rush to like change the song? - I really am like, it just becomes like a laughing moment. It's like, I can't even be serious. - Yeah, I'm trying to focus. - I honestly can't wait to this is over, but I don't want to reach for my phone and like, ruin it. - But I need to skip. I need to skip. - Please, let's just pretend there's never happened. - I know. - What about you, what do you do about that? - If you had a friend that was like, oh, my music came on during, would you be like, that's dope, girl. - I mean, if it's a good song, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? And you know, a little private performance. It's like, you know, I ain't dope. - Oh, you're trying to get a show? - Oh, we're saying nobody, man, you know? - Spin this, spin this. You know what I mean? - You know what? Maybe I should look at it differently and just turn up, right? - Turn up, you know, as a matter of fact. - Turn up, whoo! - Honestly, there is a song on my album that has a potential to come on on a sex playlist. So here we go again. - You say A song? Did you say, did you say, did you say there's A song? - One song. - But take it away from me. - Well, one song sounds like maybe you was recording it in the bedroom. I said, how did you do this? How did you play? How do you go into the studio? We'll get into it, but I'm very curious. How are you going to studio? And you're like, yes, so this is what I'm thinking. - Slide it. - Yeah, run that back. - You know, it's too good. Okay, let's see. People proposing on their partner special day, like at a birthday or graduation. So like, it's your birthday. And I'm gonna propose to you on your birthday. How do you feel about that? You tuned in and you tuned down. - I'm like, one foot in, one foot out. Because I feel like on a birthday and on a special day, you can get me glammed up. Like, I probably will be getting my nails done for that. I'll probably be getting dressed for that. Ready, my friends and family will be there. So I won't, it's easier to hide. But then also, I guess in retrospect, it's less of a surprise. Like, if you just put it out of a random date and you still make sure that I have, I love nails. - Exactly. - My thing is, like, you might have robbed me from my otherwise other special members. Like, it's my graduation. Now it's, was listening, but we don't make it. Now it's the day you put on your nails. - Oh, so we're thinking long term. Like, what if? - It doesn't really happen. I can't get that. - I'm just picking it every day. Draw for it. - I can't. - Pick it to lock it. - Yeah. - That's fireworks and everything. All right. Like, let me set it up. - That's smart. - Yeah, I got that. - Tune down. - Okay. - I'm tuned out on that. - Letting your child sleep in your bed whenever they want. I'm so, I'm tuned in. - Do you tune in? - I'm tuned in. - Really? - Yeah. - I like to cuddle with these, I can't help it. - Really? - Yeah. I mean, also, I think it would be different if I was in a relationship. - Well, that's what I was gonna ask. Like, especially, like, you know, it's like, "Mom, it's like, uh, baby." - Well, also, I think, no one would be at my house while hails at my house anyway. Even if I was in a relationship, they're not coming over when she's home until maybe they propose. - She doesn't need to be exposed to any of the mistakes, if you will. - Right. And also, like, the process. - Yeah. - Until we know, like, this is what it is. - Right. - Has that been the example for friends who have kids? Like, help me understand how you reach to that conclusion. And like, this is how I want to approach, you know, my relationship with my daughter. - I think it's just a respect thing. I also growing up, my mother was single, and just being so obsessed with my mom, if she was dating anyone, I was the kid that was gonna, I was really sweet, but also low-key, like, "I don't want." - Hey! - Hey! - So I just want to save all of that until we're sure so it can just be one person, and that's it, you know, but the process. - No, no, I would love her to just be oblivious. She's just like, "I have two homes." That's what she thinks it is. - Here's what I'll say about it. I don't have any kids. - Yeah, right? - What about the dolls? - I got dolls. Then mother fuckers can't get in the bed. - Right. - No, no, they're too big, right. - Too big, and I've seen what they do in this yard. - Yeah, do they shed too? - And they shed. - Yeah. - One is like a hundred pounds. - Oh, shoot. - And one is like, of 70 pounds. - Okay. - And like, I've seen what they do in this yard. There is no way. - They're digging your bed. - Yeah, they are with 'em. - So mad. - Yeah, I mean, I don't know. - And hairy. (laughs) - Yeah. - Hair everywhere. - Okay, chef, this is interesting. Refusing to cook unhealthy family recipes for the holiday gathering. So like, I'm gonna be honest with you, there's a Chitlin' recipe. Especially when we get close to the holidays. Chitlin' recipe that runs in our family. You will never find it at my holiday gathering. - Honey. - I'm just not going to. - I kid it. I feel like you'd have to cook that in a separate house because of the smell. - Yes. - Yeah. - And just the appearance. I don't even want to look at it. - I don't know what they look like. I never got there. - Oh. - I have smelled it right now. - Like, when I was really young, I had a friend's house. - Yeah. - My family didn't really cook Chitlins as far as I know, but I smelled it as a friend's house. I was like, "Dear mom, I think she's sick." (laughs) I smell shit. - I like literally. - It's not you or me, but I think-- - But I think there's some shit in the kitchen. - Yeah. Truly. - I don't know if I'm eating none of this. - No, seriously. I have to go. - Right. - You toggle bell on the way home. - Seriously. I've never even looked at it. I just know chitlins is shitlins. - Yes, and that's why they're not in my house. - Right, I'm tuned out to that as well. - Yeah, you know, and I know that people, like there's a different ways to make the sweet potato casserole, like mashed or not mashed with the butter and the whiskey. I do put whiskey in mine when it makes one syrup. - Oh, that sounds fun. - Yeah, but I'm gonna do that, but I'm not doing chitlins. - Yeah, I think it's maybe not a healthy unhealthy thing for us. It's like a taste good or doesn't taste good thing. - Yeah. - And that? - I'm good. - I'm glad we agreed. - I'm good. - See what Thanksgiving is. - You know what I think? - Are you gonna cook this year? - Or do you cook for things? - I'll be on tour. - Or Thanksgiving? - Yes, I know. I know, like the day, you know, the one Thanksgiving, I'm a chef and a culinary graduate. I'll be singing on the stage, which makes sense, but also, you know. - You know, I do, I get it though. - On the road, how will you celebrate the holiday? Or is it an important holiday at your house? - It is an important holiday. I usually in between either going home for it or having everyone at my house. And I've also had lots of friends' giveings where people bring their own things. And then I've done it where there's a chef there. - That's right. - So it's been really, really small and then also really grand. On tour, I don't know. I want everyone to fill that home. So I'm gonna probably try to make something, but we're on a bus. So there's like two stove heads. And it's like, I'm gonna try. - I'm like, what can I make? I'm not mad at you. The hustle is real. - Yeah. - You don't think it's something now. - Something, like some sweet money cookies. - The cookies though. - Now, I have heard that the cookies are famous. - They're really good. - Is it a chocolate chip? Is it an oatmeal? What do you do? What's the one? - It's a chocolate chip. My base recipe is a chocolate chip. But I've also taken that same recipe and added oatmeal. To it, I don't really like oatmeal raisin. - Right. - So it's without the raisins. It's just oatmeal chocolate chip. I've also made a fruity pebble white chocolate chip. I've made brown butter cookies. I've made vegan gluten-free cookies. - Skip. (laughs) - Skip. - On the playlist. - Skip, skip, skip. - Skip, skip. - Yeah, it's good. Who has had a good vegan cookie? - Molly tell 'em. - She worked for you. - No, but she's vegan. - Like real vegan? - She's a real vegan. She does not. - I'm so sorry. - I thank you for your service. But that's how I apologize 'cause man, who we? - Well, there can be good things because sugar's vegan. - Yes. - So like, they can still be sweet. And there's lots of chocolate chip brands that actually taste. You may not know. And also, I'm not gonna lie, Trader Joe's chocolate chip cookies and those are vegan are really good. - How do you have it? - No, it's vegan. (laughs) - I'm gonna bring it to you. I'm gonna bring it to you. It's oatmeal chocolate chip as well and it's actually, I like it. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Creating a fence to account to say your piece anonymously. - You tuned in and you tuned out. - I'm tuned out. - What? - Yeah, I'm gonna do it. - 'Cause she's gonna do it on your profile. - Yeah, I'm doing it on my page. (laughs) - I've actually seen you not necessarily gather people, but folks get gathered as a result of you coming back into the comments like this. - Excuse me, hey, I'm here. - Yeah. - What was that one more time? - Yeah, I really do try my best not to do that, but sometimes it's just right there. - Yeah. - Maybe they probably feel the same way about their comments. So the only issue I have with negative comments is the way in which things are said. You can always say what you want and I can respect your opinion in New York. - Sure. - Criticism and all that, but we call 'em, you know, raggedy. - The way. - And it's also like the authority. Your opinion, maybe you do that on your page. - Yeah. - I do that on your page. - Yeah, I mean also sometimes another way I feel is like, when you're, it's coming from another black person, it's like, this is a black business here, you know? - Just tell your friend your opinion. - Yeah. - You have to say it here. - Here. - Like right here? - Here. - And then also like, I'm gonna see you at the show. So. - Say it to my face. - Say it to my face? - If you can. - If you could never, you would never say it to my face. I don't know, there's something about what's happening online lately that it's, I don't know if it's ramping up or what, but I'm being much more affected by it. - Yeah. - And I have considered creating the fence to like, like why would you even? - I understand. - You know, especially after I saw what they say, Channing Tatum might have created a fence to account. - Oh he did? - They might have detected that it's Channing Tatum out here clapping back. - That's the other thing. It's the detectable. - Yeah. - Now it's like, hey, I was going to tell him this. - Right. - Like that's actually your account. - You know the fact. - You know the fact. - You're not. - You're not. - Buzz did. Buzz and in trouble, having a work husband or work wife while you're in a relationship. - You know. - I'm gonna tune out. - I'm gonna let you finish, tune out. - And then be like, tune your partner. Oh, this is my work wife. What? Oh, this is my work husband. I'm sorry. Who? - Guess you're not going to work anymore. (laughing) You're not. - Yeah, or you're gonna live at work. Because we're done. - Exactly. - I don't know. It always seems so like the precursor to bigger problems. - That is the big problem. - What do you mean? - Yeah. - How could the, leave your lips or the, what? - What? (laughing) - Okay, what do you say we start the sauce? - Okay, let's get saucy. - So now, this is a recipe from your saucy Sundays. - Okay. - You're everything cilantro sauce. - Okay. - So we've got mayonnaise. - Yes. - We've got jalapeno. - jalapeno. - It's not vegan mayonnaise. - Three. - So it's gonna be good. - What? - I'm just saying, I will tell you how it tastes. (laughing) - Okay, so we've got mayonnaise, we've got cilantro, we've got jalapeno, garlic, lime juice, salt. Right? - Uh-huh. - So let's just throw it all in the blender and let's blend it up. - Okay, let me wash my hand. - Okay, same. - First door of business. - She said I did go to school. - So it's safety first. - Right. - What goes first? - You can do anything first because hopefully, the blender will do its magic. - Do its job, yeah. Actually, I'm gonna go with mayonnaise first. - Get that in there. I'm so excited. - Same. - He's the sauce. - I remember when you were telling me you were in class, I was like, "You have to come to the house and cook." And you were like, "Can we?" - Please, here we are. - Talk about the sauce though. Like, why did you want to do sauces instead of, like, I don't know, anything? - Anything else? Honestly, I feel like sauces make up a large majority of what tastes good in recipes. Like, when you think about pastas, when you think about dipping, like, even just fries are made, even better, depending on what sauce. A burger, like so many different foods, the curry sauces, and there's mother sauces. - Right. - And culinary that they have a base, and then they expanded to all these other different recipes. So, it seemed really quick and easy to do for people to follow the recipes and just jazz up. - How they want to do it. - Whatever, yeah. - So, that's the garlic. - What's your favorite sauce? - I do love a hot sauce. - Okay. - So, anything with some heat, some spice and kick? - Have you had Frank's Red Hot? - Come on, no. - Well, not Frank's Red Hot. I'm tripping hot honey. Mike's hot honey. - Yes. - It's always a guy's name, and then hot, and then-- - So, you gonna change it? - Yes. Victoria's hot honey. - Reach out! - Woo! - So sweet! - Yes! - It's gonna be Sunday, let's go. - Okay. - So, that's the cilantro. - Yes, lots of cilantro. - Now, wait, are you one of those people with cilantro that it tastes like soap? - No, my grandpa is. - Dang. - My grandpa's one of those. - Well, you know, they say like three to 21% of people have that. - Yeah. So, that's why I was like-- - Sorry to that, man. - My solution to that is you can use any other green, so you can use parsley if you like parsley with it, other herbs. You can even make this with the same amount of red pepper, like if you want to make-- - Oh, okay. - You can kind of-- - Like basil. - You can use basil. - Yeah, I do. - Okay. - So-- - The cilantro tastes like soap to y'all. I honestly did not realize how many folks were actually dealing with that. But since we're learning things here, let's see how much y'all actually know in our little trivia game we're calling neighbors best guests. I'm gonna give you five seconds per question, and you keep score and no cheating. I've got Yahoo Scout right here ready with the answers. Which was invented first, the microwave or the television? That's time, and the answer is the television. Who's there, microwave? Okay, question number two. What food is stolen most often around the world? Okay, that's time. And Yahoo Scout says, "Cheese!" Apparently, it has a very high resell value. Who are your resell and cheese? That's crazy. Question number three. What is the only letter that doesn't appear in the name of any U.S. state? Five seconds. (upbeat music) That's time. The answer is, "Q, what do you know?" I mean, how many of y'all actually know off at these states anyway? I'm just saying, I'm just saying. Okay, question number four. Which has more bones? A baby or an adult? (upbeat music) Come on, probably love this game. (upbeat music) Now our pencil's down. The answer is a baby. Babies are born with around 270 bones. Why do babies have more bones than adults? Let me look that up. Yahoo Scout says, "Many smaller infant bones "and cartilage pieces fuse together as a person grows." Huh, well, the more you know. Our neighbor, so how did you do? Drop your score in the comments and be honest. Thanks to Yahoo Scout for our little trivia break. And try it for yourself at scout.com. I'm gonna go easy on the jalapeno at first. Okay, what do you think? Just dump it in. Sure, you could put two, three mo jalapenos in there. Let me just, you know, let's go for it. Shall we go for it? Shall we go for it? Yeah, this. Okay, and I'm gonna go ahead and preliminary put salt, but let's go here first. Okay. Great. Now, I've never used this like a processor, so it's gonna be a surprise to the both of us. Okay, let's be shocked. Okay, let's see. (snoring) Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I don't think it's all right. Oh, if I did, you'd do it. I'll end up with a good, I really like it. I'm gonna stop it. - I'm gonna scrape it down a little bit. - Okay. - Okay, okay. - You know what I think we should do as soon as we put this back? Have a drink. - You know, listen. - There we go. Okay, I'm going back to high. (upbeat music) - Oh, shoot. - Oh my God. - I'm scraping down again. - Chef said we're gonna beat this right. - Yeah, we got it too. - Oh my God. I used to have to say that in school. - Did you? - Yes, Chef, behind corner. I find myself doing that type of stuff in like grocery store. I'm like, oh my God. - See? - Behind. - You doing your own grocery store? - Yeah. - What do you mean? - Sometimes. - When it's not on Instacart? (laughing) - No, that's correct. - Or like Farmer's Market is one of my speed than a grocery store. - Now what about Hazel? Is she joining you in like food prep her? - She actually really loves to do that. And she comes to the Farmer's Market with me. We have a tradition. I can't say where 'cause I'm about to bust my vocation. But we go every like once a week when I'm not working to the Farmer's Market, then there's like a activity across the street that we do. - Oh, sweet. - Oh, sweet stuff. I'm gonna do this one more time, so. - Chef said I want it cream. - When you blend it, there's less of a chance of it like Instacart. You know when you're like talking to someone, you have a whole dinner and you're like, you didn't want to tell me. - Nobody told me. - I had a green tooth. - Like so you just don't love me actually. - And you post the picture, too. - That's crazy. - Wow, that's crazy. - Crazy work. - Okay, we got one. - We can use this little. - Oh yeah, the whole speaking. - Yeah. - This is gonna go great with our shrimp tacos. - Ooh, absolutely. When you have a sauce for tacos, are you like a dipper or are you like to put it on the top? - I'm a dipper. - Yeah. - 'Cause I like to control sauce. - I'm not like a, I get sauce on your side, you know. - I understand. - Like even catch up and stuff on a burger. Give it to me this side, I'll do it. - Oh really? You took your burger. - Yeah. - I probably have some laundry on my teeth right now. Are you gonna tell me? - Nope. - Great. - I will tell you. - Okay, great. - We'll do it later. - But you know when you're like biting a burger, you have to have the right shape. Like you have to bite two times to make the perfect dip, 'cause it's probably like too wide for the container or is that just. So, you have OCD? - I might. (laughs) - I have self-diagnosed stuff in so many things. - You said because I can't dip the burger, I gotta take a couple of bites before I can dip the. - To make the right dipping shape, like a. - No, I'll smear it. - Right, right, okay, okay, I might. - My OCD shows up in different places. - Okay. - Dips is not there. - You know what I mean? - People the next guard. - Okay. - Surrey, Surrey. (laughs) - What? - I love this, I don't know if this is, I think this is like mom energy right happening right now. - Maybe OCD, mom, chef, all the things. - Oh no, no, no. - Okay, I gotta clean it up, I gotta clean it up. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. - I'm sorry, wrong drawer. - Okay, so do you pull the next one? - Okay, expecting friends to not talk to the people you don't like. - Ooh, yeah, 'cause like, you know, friends will be like, they'll have something that has gone down between you and another person. - Yeah. - And then friends still talk to that person. You're like, are we friends? 'Cause if we friends, how are you friends with them? - It does make you question what y'all are talking about. (laughs) - Right? - But I don't like to be controlling over people's - Situations. - Preferences, I just have to trust. And may also filter what I say to you. - Yep. - A little bit more, unfortunately. - Yep. - Maybe publicly like, you can hang out, but if I see you like, going to their event and like, doing like, liking postings up, it's like, now you're just. - Like, what are we doing? - Now you're just making them super. - Yeah, like, what are we doing? - Yeah. - How about you, my friend? - What are you? - My friend, it depends, I think. - Okay. - Like, what the criteria of the-- - What did they do? - Yeah, like, what was the offense? - Okay. - You know, 'cause there are some people who like, just don't like people for what they're zoning out. - No, so reason. Oh yeah, that's right. But I've also been in situations where the person who has been wronged, right? It's like, I don't mess with them anymore. - Yeah. - But that person is very good to me. And it puts you in this like, oh, yes, I know. - That's my story with them. - Yeah. - I get it. - And I've also tried to like, make it good. Like, I was like, okay, listen. We'll give it one last try with the college trial. One last go. - Yeah, yeah. - You're like, maybe we can have some healing here. And sometimes they don't help at all. - I have been there too. - I've learned sometimes you're just gonna stay out. - Hands off. - Paying your child for good behavior. - Oh. - It's like, for me, this happened with grades. I'll never forget being in elementary school and coming home and being like, Wesley got $10 for every A. I was like, "Read 'em in Weep." (laughing) I was like, give it for Wesley. - Right, that ain't true. - And this has grades are very minimal. - Standard, yeah. - You should be doing that. - Should I get paid too? - Right, right. - She was like, yeah, now. - I mean, sometimes also they may feed the narrative of employee versus entrepreneur also. So it's like, oh, I'll pay you for your good services versus you have your own business and you get paid for doing something you made up. Also, when I want Hayes to do something, I have used candy to pay so (laughing) - I have used candy. - Yeah, sometimes like that maybe two or three when it's nap time and you really need, it's like, okay, I'll give you a little bit of, - Right. - Lollipop will come if you just, I just need you to. - You gotta lay down. - It's time for the quaint. - My mom was so good at that. She used to be like, no, shut up. The car, everything, no, shut up. - Right. (laughing) - That sounds so quiet now. - Well, I was gonna say, are there situations or the things as you're learning, especially as you're growing into the mother that you are for Hazel, that you are breaking, that we're part of your childhood, ways you wanna do things differently than the way you were raised? - I'm more so inspired by my mom. My mom did so many things that I'm like, now really thankful for. Before I did feel like it was like a standard mom thing to do and then now that I'm doing them, I'm like, thank you so much. Like, even childbirth, I was like, I came home from the hospital like, dang mom. - Dang, thank you. - It's intense, I mean, not that I know, but I've heard. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I've seen. - Right, you've seen? - Yeah, oh, it was traumatic. - Oh shoot. - Yeah, and my mom has had two C-sections and the healing after that. Baby, I said, I don't mean, is it worth it? I don't know. I was like, I mean, I love them. - You drink to that. (laughing) - My God on today, woo. - It's so crazy 'cause like even thinking about how sometimes with mom's postpartum and at once they're done breastfeeding, like they have a wine down with wine and a glass of wine and like, it helps calm their nervous system and just relax. They can't do none of that. It's just raw dog, gotta have this baby. (laughing) Gotta have this baby, gotta raise his child. - I just can't. - What was the biggest adjustment with bringing Hazel home for you? 'Cause I know you said, she was like a pandemic baby, right, like it was like, you know, the situation where we were all at home, we were all with family, all with friends. It's even after hardcore lockdown happened. We still kept it kinda close. - Oh, for sure, she was born February 21st, 2021 and even in the delivery room, I had to wear a mask and it was still a social distancing and like for a lot of the appointments, they didn't allow me to have a guess. So it felt like isolating a lot of the time. The biggest adjustment coming home maybe was transitioning from this like small conglomerate 'cause we didn't really allow people to see her at first. Either she was a NICU baby and really like safe 'cause it felt so life or death. Well, it wasn't life or death. - Everything, everything. - I was washing mail with Dawn, so. (laughing) - How? - It was washing up. - Just, everything was wet. - Lies off. - Yeah. - Baby. - Everything was wet. - It's crazy. - I mean, we was like, life or death. - Can you believe that happened? - Yes, I got an Amazon package yesterday and I was like, I used to wash you. (laughing) - I used to wash you. - I used to wash you. - That's hilarious. - It was wild. It was a crazy time to be alive. I would imagine that bringing a kid home a baby home during that time, if I'm washing mail, you know what I mean? - Oh, be clean. - Do you exactly. - Scary, I feel bad now, but one of Hazel's great aunts wanted to see her and I made her wear a hazmat suit. - So scary. - Okay. - I'm sorry. - I'm sorry. - Yeah. - So now there's just her first photo. - Oh, the gazel is like, she's in a form. - You said no, no, this is how we're going to do it. - Wrap it up, wrap it up. The whole thing, all of it, the whole body. Step into this, please, ma'am. - I was not playing. The claws were out. I was like, I have to protect this child. I have to protect this child, so. - And that's a great photo. - Yeah, it's fun now. - You can put it on Hazel's, the graduation suit. - Yeah. - Okay, what do you say? I think it's time to eat. - Okay, let's do it. - Let's do it. - Neighbors, what is the first spot in your home that gets the fall treatment? For me, it is definitely the dining table. 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Welcome, welcome. - Thank you, it's so beautiful. - You know we're getting ready for the fall. - Oh my gosh, I love the Thanksgiving vibe. Look at you, looking all good. - Thank you. - Girl. - Like this plate. - Okay, let's do a bite. - Okay. - Here we go, here we go. - Mm, dipping. Mm. - See? - Very good. The shrimp is nice and flavorful. - Mm-hmm. - A little spice in there, finishing it off with the acetase. I let my fresh onions in there, some guap. I'm happy, it's great, mm-hmm. - All in the freakin' arise. - I gotta try a chip with the cilantro sauce too. - Uh-huh. - Part of my crunch. - Mm. - I love that chip, as I crunch. - It's honestly satisfying, the sound. - Oh no. (laughing) - Betray, I got you at the house. - You did it. - You sent me an album early. - Yeah. - I listened to it early. - What do you think? - Baby, I told you, this is wild. - Yeah. - 22 tracks, we really go on a journey. - Oh yeah. - I'm curious to know when you started putting this album together. - Yeah. - Because it sounds like such a compliment to Jaguar. - Yeah, thank you. - But it also sounds like such a growth from there, right? Like the references, the inspirations, maybe the collaborations with like Earth Wind and Fire, right, that versatility you bring back into frequency of love. And I'm just so curious, I don't know, when you started working on this. - Honestly, the oldest song on the project is from around the Jaguar era. So that would be reach out. When I made reach out, it sounded a bit differently. I didn't have that bridge. I didn't have some of the ad-libs and there was nuances that we added. After, but the foundation of it was there, and I just didn't feel like it fit on Jaguar, but. - Is that right? - The Deluxe. It was a chance for me to put on the Deluxe. I was like, nah, I think this is something else. So I'm glad that I was able to wait. Technically, it was done. I want to say that maybe around 2021. That was a bad song. True fans would be able to tell me, actually, because we took a picture after that session as me, Deem Island, Kate, or Nada in a picture. So whenever I posted that, that was a night we made reach out. - Wow. - Tommy Parker as well. - I feel like you and your, especially in your songwriting bag, unmatched, because you've been writing hits for so long. - Thank you. - Do you know what I mean? You've been writing songs we sing to, we live our life to for so long. What was the first one that you were on this new album that you were like, if they get this, they get it. - Yeah, I mean, there was a few for me. The first one, juicy, I think has so much potential. And it feels like such a special song and so happy, and flirty and fun and clean. Like I'm cussing, which is sometimes rare. There's that. I love almost. I feel like people who love R&B and love Brandy will find that to be clever. - It is very clever. I love how overt you can be in one lyric of one song and the very next lyric, it's so candy-coded. - Clean it up. - You wouldn't even know what the song was about unless you were really, really listening. - I love that. Just to have, you know, at first listen, you hear music and you just hear melody first. And then as you listen over and over again, then you can discover more layers of the song. But I also like some songs. It's like, whoa, what's he's doing? - You got some of those, too. - Yes, I honestly do feel like. - I'm going out to eat tonight. - Yay! - Change the plan. - Change the plan. - We're staying home. I was guest for real. - You said, well, we going out to eat when you can eat at home. - Seriously. - Hello. - No, there's, I feel like there's so many. I think see where my dreams is another one that feels special. That's why I love you. It feels like a timeless, classic wedding. - Absolutely does. - You mean the world to me? I'm like, I can't even fit, I can't pick. But I do feel that if people are on the frequency of love, they will understand each of these in a different way. - And I love the challenge of listening to an album, right? - Yeah, it used to be that we would put something on and you'd listen to the whole thing. - Yeah. - And now the streaming of music, the bite-size of music, has forced us into this almost fragmented experience of what an artist's offering is. - Yeah. - We don't sit down for the whole thing anymore. And you were like, you don't get this. - Please, I almost, I mean, I really do wish that there was a place so we could listen to music the way that we watch movies. Like if there was like an experience we could have from the first night or the first two weeks of an album in the east where you just go, you get to hear it in these really amazing sound systems and hear it with people and have drinks. And that's not a club environment. But it's just like music-focused. And if there was music videos for a certain song, maybe that's a visual screen that can display those things. Like we don't really have that. We're kind of stuck on maybe one person's listening from their iPhone, one person's listening from cover over to your headphones, ones in their car. - In their car, right, or on a train, or. - It should happen, but also just at least for a little bit time being able to focus on it. When it's like a museum, like an experience that you could walk through and feel, see, touch, something. - We used to, we had MTV. So we also had like times of the day where everybody was watching the same music videos. Yeah, exactly. You were watching music videos together. And it was this like shared experience. And what I love about your perspective in your artistry is that you're like, you gonna get this visual, okay? - Yeah. - If I got to break this hip, and I'm a swing is there, you gonna get this visual. - Yeah. - Tell me about this frequency of love, the look of it for you. Like what was important for you to get this styling out there? - Yeah. Well, a lot of what started to click on the album and the music side happened simultaneously while going to culinary school. And one of the intentions of culinary school was to connect with my grandma and her legacy. And so looking at the movies that we used to watch together, like musical films, we love Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. We love sound of music. She's the one who showed me the Dorothy Dandridge biopic. - Yeah. - And played by Holly Berry. So some of these, you know, touch points, really connect back to my roots and what I was feeling as a kid and movies I liked to watch that maybe my friends were like, oh, weird. You know, but I like these old school movies. Like I was down for B-Witch. I was down for I Dream of Genie. I was down for I Love Lucy. Like these shows. And I'm like, no, this is actually really cool. So some of it is inspired by early 1940s and 50s style fashion, even the color way, but also as if '90s does '50s, '90s does '40s. - Yeah. - Early European fashion icons, those black supermodels that were just so regal in, you know, in the streets photographing every portrait just looks like. - Incredible and elegant. - Yeah, so I also feel like fashion wise, I haven't really made a statement with who I am and what I like besides the color brown. So I'm like, how can I play and how can I grow and what can I experience and what do I like and what feels fresh but still authentic to me. So all of those things in consideration, this is what it's become. - Yeah, I'm curious to know for you that the album is called "Frequency of Love." Do you feel like you are putting out this frequency of love? Are you receiving a frequency of love? Talk to me about the title in particular. 'Cause I think, well, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna just sell my people, I'm gonna keep it up. - Yeah. - I wasn't into this album, I was like, "People gonna be doing it to this." - Gonna be doing it. - They gonna be doing it up to this. I can't wait to do it to this. - And I know that when you're creating, there's got to be songs where you're like, this is gonna get 'em. - Honestly. - This is gonna, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right? - You feel that with the title itself, I wanted to embody it. - Mm-hmm. - I often found just comparing Jaguar and the sentiment of Jaguar to "Frequency of Love." I had something to prove with Jaguar. I was like, "My claws were out, I'm a hunter, "I'm galloping towards a certain goal, "and when I get there, I'm biting down "with the strongest fiercest bite in the jungle." - I heard that. - 'Cause you were not playing about that bite. - I was not playing. I was like, "This is it, Jaguar won't get this, "I'm biting down." So with "Frequency of Love," I really had to soften. I felt like, maybe this is more of a caterpillar butterfly softness, even, you know, it all really, it so crazily connects because even with culinary school, I had to like have a certain nail length. I can't have my nails that I usually like a little almond shape, like a vintage almond shape, kind of like a clove, a Jaguar maybe. - Yeah. - And so even that softness and feeling things with my fingertips and not being able to claw brought about a certain softness and I embodying that and healing spiritually and making sure I'm attracting things versus chasing them and tuning into a certain frequency. And that being the reason why things arrived to me versus, "I got a bite for it, I gotta go get it." And that's how I was before. And so relaxing into that comfort, knowing that God has me and the energy that I carry can bring about all of the things that I want to see for myself and music, and all of it. So it was like a, I think it's a transformation for me. - It feels like a blossoming, it feels like, I totally understand the chase, the hunt. I got something I want to prove. - For sure. - And not even necessarily to other people, but to myself, that this is my, damn it, this is my time. - Yeah, sometimes even culturally I feel like we do have to, we get that energy because we do have to work extra hard to get the same amount of, publicity, respect, accolades, like, you know, some of those things. - Do you feel like you've hit it yet? Do you feel like you've, like, made it yet? - No. - You do not? - No. - What? - No. No, no, I don't feel like, honestly, it's a really interesting question because I probably won't feel like that until the day I graduate into the spirit room. Because as long as I'm here, I have more work to do. So I don't know if I'll ever be like, "Yeah, I'm chilling." (laughing) 'Cause tomorrow I will always have a schedule of things that I have to get done. And then one day God will be like, "You're done, you're done." And then I'll be like, "Oh, I made it." That's when. - I think about your career. And I think about the time we have known you out front - Yeah. - Versus the time that you spent in support. - Yeah. - The time that you spent building-- - As an elf. (laughing) - As an elf, I think. - Yeah. - What kind of? - Yeah. - And I think about the experience, even of, like, wanting this, an element of this, and even that this may not be like the highest expression or the highest peak by far that you will climb to. - Yeah. - But that there was a day where this thing was a dream. - For sure. That's exactly how I feel. I feel like the me that is here today satisfies the me that I was five years ago. But now that I'm here, and you know, my thoughts have collapsed into reality. I'm already onto the next projection. It's like, okay, I'm wanting to manifest something else completely. While simultaneously being grateful and having gratitude for what I was able to bring about with God's help, with my team's help, with my mom's help, with my daughter's help, with the help of energy healing. - Are you in therapy? - I tried therapy, but my time is so limited that a lot of the time spent catching up with a therapist, was like, she was like, "Well, that's the hour." - So I didn't even-- - What? - Advice part. - That's it. - But I can't go frequently enough to get the homework. - Okay. - So I have different modalities of therapy, which is the breath work, and the Tai Chi work, and the music, and having honest conversations, and self-expression, not holding things in that I want to say, 'cause it affects my throat, my voice, everything. So I have therapy, but just not in the traditional-- - Like talk therapy. - Yeah, yeah. The time before the last time I saw you, there was a lot of things changing in your life. - Oh, my gosh. - And that you seem like on the other side of that. - I love that. - Like not projecting a softness, not projecting a healing, but that you are really walking through those processes with your whole chest. And so I'm just curious about what helped you. - Well, the first book that was really helpful to me, and I didn't even get to finish it, but I feel like, for some reason, God gave me the chapters and things that I needed at the time, was to let them theory. - Yeah, Mel Robbins. - Yes, incredible. Then I started to watch her speak within transition, and people changing and exchanging and out of my life. That was an important read for me. So, you know what, that's something that I could remember. It's like a hook to me. That's like, okay, just remember, let them-- - Let them. - Yeah, let them control it anyway. - Let them. - Right. So that was really helpful. Then I also, because of naming my album "Frequency of Love," I started to order so many frequency books on Amazon. - Seriously. - Seriously? - Yes. So the most recent one is called "The Frequency Effect." So I really enjoy that. My algorithm also has been helpful. Whenever I get scrollability at night, and now my algorithm is more spiritual. - Yeah, I tell you, mine is to the beat. - Yeah. - Mine is to the beat. Like, I've got information news. - Yeah. - I've also got spirituality, interior design, and architecture, recipes. When I tell you, I was like, I tell you, you're trying to keep me in this. Doing a great job, but I also really want to know how they're like, I'm talking about things and then before I even-- - Yeah, girl, you're my phone. - It's like in my phone. - The mic is on. And somewhere, we say, keep it on all the time. - 'Cause honestly, it was helpful. - Yes, I'm like, don't listen to me, but also-- - But also thank you for that. (laughing) - I can't even go on TikTok without, I'm like, I need to get off, 'cause I'm just buying stuff. - The TikTok shop. - It's so easy, it's buttons. - It's just a game. - It's just a commercial. And I'm not even mad at it. I got all kind of stuff in this house. - I'm not even open yet, 'cause I'm just like-- - Under my sink is stupid. - Exactly. - I'm like, well, I got Christmas gifts for days because-- - No way. - It's not bad idea. - That's the lift. - Right, repackage. - Very Christmas. - Y'all, who is the person that you always start with for your holiday shopping? Well, I always start with mom, because I feel like once mom is taking care of, everybody else is easy. But have y'all started yet? 'Cause I feel like it's time to lock in. You gotta know, who's naughty? - Hmm, who's nice? - Yeah. - And most importantly, who still owes me money? - And for everybody who survived the cut, Amazon makes the shopping easy. I've got a tech lover, a fashionista, and kids. Kids asking me for toys, like I'm the one raising them. I got no kids, but Amazon's got picks for all of them and at low prices, so I can get it done all in one place. And yes, yes, I'm definitely getting something for myself because I deserve it. Get a head start now in holiday gifting with Amazon's low prices. Shop now at Amazon.com/Holiday. - Oh, in this frequency that you're in now, out front living in what feels like whole truth and on your own terms, I don't think that there's ever a world where you can go back in the background again. I don't think that-- - I know too much. - You said I've been there. - I know too much. - Yeah, right? - Yeah, it's different, it's different. And I think if that were to be the case, I may be hiding, you know, I may be hiding myself and sacrificing my authentic self for support. Or I'm just like Shade and I just want to go garden and private, you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Have, you know, separate from musical success and publicity and really just live in whole totality of spirituality and sustainability and just different, like new hill to climb, new chapter. - Do you still write for other artists? - I would love to. I haven't really had the time to be honest, but there are like some primary artists and I'm like, "Please, I would love, I would love to just, I would love it." - Okay, tell me like who? - Beyonce. - We acted a fool with it at that sacred event. - It was great, I farted till-- - You said I gotta babysit at home. - You said I gotta babysit at home tonight. - Mom is outside. - He said, "Mom is outside." - Outside, and I had school earlier that day, like a, it was actually, that was my last day of school. - It was a good night. - It was so fun. - So Beyonce's on your list. - Yeah. - She's the list. - She's the list. - How do you say that's it? - She's the list. - Post that. - Yeah. - What would you wanna do? What kinds of music would you wanna create with her? - Anything. I feel like she's such a really dynamic artist and you see her being able to genre bend. You see her being able to balance motherhood and start them in her love life and her dedication to her family and of being a great daughter. Like all of these things are such on display for us that I just being in her presence and being able to just be in her energy is like, it's valuable 'cause I do feel like energetically, it brings transfer to you things. We are affected by who you're around. You're affected by what those people say. So I'd love to be surrounded by people who bring about this type of energy. - Is there like a notes app where you're talking about different songs where you're writing down things that inspire you, where you have little parts of verses and stuff like that? - It's pretty rare that it's in my notes, but what happens is I'm living life and I'm absorbing it and I'm like, okay, I know that feeling. This feeling is gonna come out within a song, but I do need the chords or something to guide me into what you know, some in that feeling of. - So music comes first for you? - Yeah, like until one day at the studio, I was baking cookies. Yeah, I was baking cookies. I kept doing things for people, my producers, I bring stuff from school to them to try and I was making cookies. We were working on another song and I had the idea for you, me and the world to me. And it doesn't pop up in my head like all like that without the music first. - Right. - So I was like, where's camper? I was like, trying to make the cookie dough and like scoop it, I'm like, where is he? And he had probably gone out to smoke something I want. And then when someone came, I found him, I had already sang this melody in my phone and he was like, okay, but when we're done with this idea, then I think we're working, maybe working on you hurt me too at the time. - Okay. - Then that melody came and he was like, okay, when we're done with this one, we'll do that one. So the next day we ended up doing that. We wrote this song, there was an empty second verse and I was like, I just hear Leon on it and he was like, you want me to hit him? I was like, yeah, I could hit him, but you could hit him too, like go to see what he's doing. So he hit some Leon happens to be in LA. - Come on. - I'm like, this guy is like, on top of the world right now, he could be anywhere in the world, he's in LA. I think he was playing video games, I was like, there's no way. - Come on. - Come on now, come on now. - Right, come on now. - And so like within an hour and a half, he was there, did his part, and then Dickson, who I'm obsessed with, he had tasted the cookies and he said, wait. - You put a spell on them cookies. - I don't know, no, no, no, no, don't do it. Don't think of me like, they hear hairs in the car. - I got this song. - I gotta get it out, I gotta get it out. - So Dickson happens to text me, and he's like, y'all I'm thinking about this cookies, I was like, swear. I made them right now, also we're making this crazy song. So he comes in and lights up the back. - I told you, it's a spell on the cookies. You better be careful. They tell your mom, they're gonna put a spell on the cookies. - Oh my God. - The cookies are safe, even vegan-made. - Eat in the videos. - Is he a distraction with the vegan itself? - Goot and free, made in a nut-free environment. What? - You're gonna be cooking it in a whisper? - It's good, a song. - If it's gluten-free. - Yeah. - Hey, no, it's vegan and gluten-free. You said a song, yeah, a spell. - It's good. - It was in there. - Keep singing. - Here, here you go. - With the rumors. - Oh, that's crazy. - Oh, that's crazy. - You know what, if this song I love is single. - Oh, wow. - I saw almost like a party anthem. - Yeah. - That's like, "All right, if you feel it, "listen, I'm single now. "But if you feel it, you better move quick." - What's up? - Can't you say it's gonna stay that way? - One of my favorite things about single is that it comes right after that's why I love you. The juxtaposition is so crazy to me 'cause that's why I love you so whimsical and it's like, "I love you forever." And the next one is like, "I'm not gonna sing." - How about you trying to do it? - These are such like a ease about it. - Thank you. - And I just love it. - I put single, like a snippet of single, like I played it on a radio station and internet ate me up. - I just played the hook and they were like, "This is trash!" - What? - This is the worst, like, girl, this is what this album is about. I quit all you. - Uh-uh. - It was bad. It was bad. I was like, "I think I need to go in a different direction, "but I think." (laughing) - I think I need to be taught to be single. - No, bro. - I thought she was gonna eat this. - No, they were like, "I hate it. "I hate you. "I hate everything you do." That's what it was giving. But I think maybe in the context of the album, you'll understand. - You'll understand it. - Versus and Bryson's verse. I think people just have such high expectations and me making a simple hook, which I feel like works for the general public. We love simple, let the song go far with a simple hook. I feel like my mama was kind of the same thing. So in the context of the album with the verses, I hope people, people that tweeted down on it, change their mind. And if not, there's hopefully millions of others that disagree. - They disagree. I am one of them. - Yeah. (laughing) - I also love that you, there was some response to the music early. - Yeah. - And you were like, "Okay, you're on the page, "on in the chat," like, "All right, you're on time "with you, Opinion." - For sure. - But you gotta say it like that? - Yeah. - I appreciate it that you met the energy. - Yeah. - A lot of people, and I think in a lot of ways, and for good reason, we just like, - All right. - We don't engage. - Yeah. - But this is your art. This is your work. - All right. - This is your life force you're putting out. - Yeah, and I also have to, while we all have to remember that there really is no right or wrong way to do art. And if you're judging it based on success, that's one thing. If you're judging it based off good and bad, the metric is wide. And depending on who is listening. - Yeah. - So there's lots of different parameters to take into consideration as to why maybe someone doesn't like something or what they do. It also, without the proper reasoning listed, it could be just, they don't like the mix, or they don't like your voice on this frequency. - Or they were in a bad frequency that day. - And it was nothing about you. - Because maybe you're just on the frequency of hater. - Hello, that's your life, my name. - But I welcome critiques I also want to become better based on what my consumers are feeling. So I encourage it, but also I would like it to be said nicely. - Constructive. - Yeah, constructive versus like tearing someone down publicly because it's a humiliation ritual and you want a response or you want to go viral. Like all of that stuff feels very lame to me. - Yeah. - But I'm not afraid of, like, I think you'd do better. I'm down. Like, okay, I will try to do better next time. - Well, I think you did. - You. - And with the understanding of frequency and responsibility, I need to apologize to you. And I haven't had a time to like sit down with you or talk to you at any length. Like, you know, we were just out counting around a little bit. - Yeah. - But I need to apologize to you. I remember seeing you at a Beyonce event with John. - Yeah. - And I think I said to you, some things that were like, I felt about you two in your relationship and what I felt like it represented within Black love and Black culture and all of those things. And I was having a conversation right here with Carrie Washington recently. And I was asking her about Namdi, understanding also her reservation and her protection over her relationship. - Yeah. - And in the middle of like talking about it, I realized like, oh, this is why. This is why we protect that part of ourselves. Even though it was like glowing and nice and beautiful and kind, I also understand how some of us can interpret that as pressure, image they must then uphold. - Yeah. - And I wasn't as careful or responsible with my words to you two. - No, I didn't take it that way at all. - But you know what I mean? I know your intentions and I think that's more that's more than enough. I think you wanted to send a message of positivity and support. I didn't really feel pressure because anything that was said couldn't make up for whatever was lacking in our relationship. That was up to us to determine. And the story's not over like, I don't know if there will be a whirlwind of change that brings about the success of our story and our family. But also there's a reason why we're separated and it may be beneficial for both of us to go to do separate ways and hazels. Parents need, they both need different things. And in order to make the best balance for her, we have to do that. But I would never be upset with you for coming and being supportive. I think that's beautiful because also we represented that at a time and that exists still on the internet and it still can be visible. But also I would like to represent now the ability to still survive and come back with when you're single or when you're longing for love and still have a fairy tale ending or even if there's never a person, it's really inspiring to see that as a mom, you're still completely happy with the love of your life and your children and you still have a beautiful fairy tale this way, you know, Disney has done a really, really great job with the fantasy of it. But you know, maybe the story now is like Disney today would be a story of a single mom who's just her miracle and the love of her life is her family and her children or her work and she's like completely happy there. - Yeah. - What do you want to mean? - Let's like expand the story. - Is it possible for you to date? - Um, yeah. - It's like, I haven't. - I haven't. - You're not on the apps. - No, I thought about it. - Have you really? - Yeah, I was like, what app can- - I said, let me just, no, no, no, no. - Yeah, I mean, I think dating, it would have to be an extra special person because all of my free time or any time that I have is dedicated to Hazel. It's like, she's first, she's first, she's first, she's first. Then after that, it's like friends and family and then after that, maybe finding time to get to know somebody but I don't know, it's interesting to be starting over at this age, like so what's your favorite color? - Again. - All right. - What kind of food do you like? - That whole thing we have to do. - Like getting to know you part. - Yeah, and I don't, at this current time, I haven't had the time to do that. I've been super focused. I've candidly, I've been celibate. I've been growing spiritually and reserving my energy and culminating it so that I do have enough brightness to give when that comes or now, you know, to my work and to my daughter. So I'm trying to be patient and sometimes it's like, "Damn, I need that." - How much patience we got. - Right. - We do the patience thing. I think we did. - Right, right. But I guess single is my mating call. It's like, "Hey, don't forget about me, I'm single." So hopefully the song's up. - Did you just slip into the Chloe Bayley? - Yeah, that's how it went like, this is how it goes. Hey, she's so cute. Don't forget about me. (laughing) - That is so funny, so insane. - Okay, well on that, no, you wanna play a game? - Yeah, let's play a game. I'm gonna finish this talk. - Let's see how you play it. Come on, we're good. - She said, "But I'm gonna finish this talk." - Oh, real quick, woman back. - Yes. (upbeat music) - You know, any excuse you could see if we can get you to sing a little bit. - Okay. - So we're playing a game, it's called Crack the Track. - Okay. - We're gonna get some emoji clues and then you're gonna buzz in if you think you know the song. If you win the buzzer, then you just start singing the song you think it is. - So you ready? - Yeah. - Okay, you wanna grab your buzzer? - Kind of. - Yeah. - Should I give you a tip? - I mean, yeah. Are you competitive? - Yeah. (laughing) - This one's so funny. - She's like, "I want to be friends over here." - Yeah. - First one. (upbeat music) ♪ I love it ♪ ♪ I really love it ♪ - Right? - Yeah, I like it though. ♪ I really love it ♪ - Come on. First of all, being on tour with Bruno Mars, how did it happen? Did you get a phone call and was like, "Hey, I don't know what you're up to, "but we're about to do this tour." Or were you like, "No, no, no, I can't." - No, no, no, no. It was always a dream. But it came from the right channels. He didn't personally call. - Okay. - But when I agreed to go, he did. He was like, "We're going on tour, baby!" - Oh, that's crazy. - Yeah, it was really cool. During the making of my album, he was at the studio next door by design. Because I knew Dima was working with him and I wanted to work with Dima on my album too. So, I thought he could just pop back and forth really easily. - Yep, what I'm here is you were resourceful. - Yeah. - You said, "Okay, no problem." - Where y'all at? (laughing) - I will pull up. - Right, exactly so. He was able to hear some of the music that I was making work down, right? (laughing) - And so, do you remember what it was like to walk on to that stage? I mean, these stadiums are incredible. - Yeah. - That you were playing in. Do you remember what it was like to walk on that stage? I mean, like, I'm a budget performer here. I didn't look like magic. - I'm a bathroom first. (laughing) - Seriously, like my nerves, I was like, oh shit. - Literally, like I got to go right now. This is crazy. I'll be right back here. - Oh, the show. (laughing) - 'Cause this is crazy, like, and it makes you want to be emotional right before, but I'm the first song I do is our right, which is not emotional. It's like I'm that bitch type of energy. And I'm like, oh, these two emotions are not quite matching up, but I'm gonna figure it out. Then even after the show, like the first show, and then, I mean, really every show, just like, I'm like, oh, right. - They're adrenaline and the dream coming to fruition, all of that is like, wow. - I remember watching y'all walk in front of the Eiffel Tower. - Oh! - And I was like, she's got to be like, this is my, this is a dream, a dream. - Right, I mean, I got to take Hazel to the Eiffel Tower, so she really loved that. Like, even at midnight when it sparkles, that's when we were on a boat ride, and she got to see it sparkle, and it became like such a core memory, I believe. - Yeah, it's so special, Paris is like, unatched. - Yeah. - All right, next question, our next clue. Oh, yeah, you get it, so then you move on. - Oh, wonderful. - 'Cause I almost didn't expect you to go that quick. You saw the door, and you were like, ♪ Oh, we're big ♪ - All right, next one, here we go. - Ooh. - Rock the boat. - Why is yours like this? - Is that my seat? ♪ A little bit change, but ♪ - Rock! - That is probably my favorite song. - Ever? - No joke. - I just, there's something about every single time it plays. I will listen to it all the way through, and it will never get old to me. I love it. - All time. - It's top five, for sure. - These are just reminds me of the studio. - You said it of all songs. - That song of all time. Well, we were talking about in the studio as it became a joke that like when you want to, someone plays their music and you're like, you don't really love it. (laughing) - You can be like, that was one of the songs of all time. But you can't say, you can't say best, you can't say. - That was one of the songs of all time. - And they might just skip the part that you didn't like, you didn't say it. - They want to hear it. - They're like, thank you. - You're like, yeah. - It's one of the songs. - It's one of the songs of all time. - What's one of your top five? 'Cause another one for me is Devley X Factor. - Okay, that's a crazy one. That is one of the best songs about time. - About time. - Me is Human Eater. - Why? Why? - Yeah. (laughing) - Like crazy. - Yes. - What? - Energy. - Fire. - And don't know what any of the lyrics are. - You don't know we're doing now. - Yeah. (laughing) ♪ That this shirt there ♪ ♪ But you know what I'm saying ♪ ♪ See that girl ♪ - It's off, I love it. - What's the next word? ♪ Have fun then, soot ♪ ♪ Let's go down shoulder ♪ - You see, yeah. ♪ Sweet seducing sight ♪ ♪ Sweet seducing sight ♪ - What's that mean? - Sight. Sight, you see here, you're seduced. - Oh, sight. ♪ Sweet seducing sight ♪ ♪ And I say why ♪ - Why? - I love a question in a hook. - It's like, why? - I don't know, I don't know, tell me, Michael. - I'm jumping wow, Michael. - Okay, we got this one. You know who knew? Who knew that journey would take us from Alia to Lauren Hill to Mike? - Michael. - Let's go, all right, next one. I love you too. (laughing) - I don't even know the answer, but it's devilish girl. I don't know, I'm making it wrong. - Did you just say devilish girl? - She's a white devilish girl. (laughing) - I'm a yellow devilish girl. - I'm gonna say, is she a naughty girl? - Oh, oh, naughty. - Oh, naughty. - Don't turn this back me out. And then you want my body. - Right. - The naughty girl. - Hey. - Girl in all my girls. - Yeah, is that right? - 'Cause then I was like, it was not that, I was gonna go, uh. ♪ What's y'all know about a superman ♪ - This girl with the pink tails. - Oh, bad girl. - Bad girl. - No, is it bad girl? - Oh, it's a bad girl. (laughing) - No, I got that. I got a boom. - It's a different girl. - Not a girl with a bad girl, it's a different girl. - But they both bad. And I was like, right, we both both. - It's both mischievous. (laughing) - That's crazy. - All right, but that's good, bad girl. - I mean, come on, usher, just. The acid is in the music, man, you know. - Thanks a lot. (whistling) - Juicy fruit. ♪ Du du du du du du du du ♪ Juicy. - That's it? - Juicy fruit. (ding) - It should be, it should be. I was gonna say, the peach emoji reminds me of ass-like that, but it's not ass-like that. Is it my song, Juicy? (ding) ♪ You know that I like you ♪ ♪ When you get real close to me ♪ ♪ It's love is in alignment ♪ ♪ And no waste, no time of body ♪ ♪ When I get excited ♪ ♪ Like nah, nah, nah, nah, nah ♪ (humming) - Oh, I just, do you sound like this all the time? You just be singing like this all the time. You just be walking in the grocery store. You be sounding like that? - You know lately, I've been singing to Hazel in like Disney. Like as a Disney princess, to put her to bed. And she's like, she said the other day. So can you sing, can you sound beautiful? Your songs are helping me go to sleep. Can you sing another one? So I'm like making up stories. And I'm like, wait a minute. - I'm gonna record this one. (laughing) I'm gonna have to do the live. - Hey Siri, record this one. I love that she's also, she's like, "Money, more of that please." - Yeah. - I'm not mad at her. - Listen, you're a New York Times best-selling author for your children's book. Maybe it's time to do a children's album. - I'm not mad with Hazel. - Huh. - Maybe Hazel just do it, you know? - I mean, she's a real star of the family. - I'm gonna be honest with you. Hazel? - We keep on real with you. - I'm gonna keep on real with you. Hazel gonna give y'all the balloons. That little girl is a super star. She gonna give y'all the balloons. Last time I was like, "How you doing with Hazel?" She was like, "I'm fine, thank you very much." I said, "Ooh." And like this, with the blinks and walked away, I said, "I don't know that's right." And she was gonna give me a run for it. For real, I was like, "This is five. What's 15?" - I pray for you. - I don't know if he pray anymore. - Every day. - Every day. I let you listen to this. ♪ No scrubs, I'm one no scrub ♪ ♪ Scrub is ecstatic ♪ ♪ Can't get no luck from me ♪ ♪ Hangin' on the passenger side ♪ ♪ Spread right, tryin' to add me ♪ ♪ I ain't no scrub ♪ - That's it? - Yes! - Yeah! - What? - What? - No. - That's real. - But like, that's not about to-- - What? - I got to give my head in a game. Only one, what? - Seriously. - We don't win, too. - Okay. (coughing) - It's two, right? It's two, okay. Come into the tree. Not the mama look. - Very well. (laughing) That is like a turd. She'll like-- - Did your mom ever like pinch and twist? - A church. - No, my mom literally just had to look. And she sometimes didn't even have to look. She just had to adjust herself in the seat. And it was like-- - Fuck. - A joke. - Fuck, fuck, fuck. - You just like this. - Remember that Bible that you're reading? - Yeah. (laughing) - Oh, the nice parts in New York. - Yeah. Right. Are we praising them? - Yeah. - Let's praise them. - Praise them for now. - Come on, please. For Jesus. Okay, let's see what's the next one. (crickets chirping) - No, no, no, I don't do it then. Don't do it. ♪ It's ♪ ♪ Christmas time again ♪ ♪ Christmas time again ♪ ♪ I don't know ♪ ♪ Christmas time again ♪ ♪ Christmas time again ♪ - I feel like a welfare off. (laughing) My own label. - Is it? (laughing) - It's not right. (crickets chirping) ♪ I don't want those blues ♪ - Right. (laughing) - Oh, oh, oh. ♪ How could I lose you ♪ ♪ I know with you ♪ - What is it? - How does it work? (laughing) ♪ Living in my mind ♪ ♪ Fighting or fighting like you do ♪ ♪ I can't lose you ♪ ♪ When I wake you ♪ (crickets chirping) - It's so fun. - This is it. - Because we have another song about Sleeping. Our song hook is like, I slept on you so hard that I still see you in my dreams. - Can I still see you in my dreams? - Is that what it is? - Or no. - Damn, that's Sizzah? - The song on the album. The first time I heard it, I was like, first of all, before she even comes in on the track. Because what I heard, there was no even features. You don't list who's on the song. - And it was the title. - So I'm listening to the song and I was like, this about to be Sizzah. - You knew that? - I was like, this about to be Sizzah. And when I heard her voice, I was like, I almost broke my phone. - Oh, shit. - I was like, did you eat that to listen? - I was just like, ah! Tell me what it is about working with Sizzah. That's like, yes. I mean, I need more of this. I want more of this. You want something that has to happen. - Well, she's one of my favorites. She's one of my favorites, and it's been this way for years. I remember seeing her at this concert early on, a festival in LA, and I was like, "This girl, she's so special, and her music is so special, her melodies feel unconventional, and her tone is so cool, and she's so cool and spiritual, and she's influential to, like, when you feel like you want to grow." I think she's like doing all of the things that would help you grow spiritually, and she's so tapped in, then she's also really kind, and she's fine, and she's like, "It's all the things, her name is cool, everything about her is really great, and don't judge me often, not knowing the lyrics of it." Baby, let me tell you something. I was right there with you, 'cause I was. Did you hear what I said in Christmas? Yeah, you did. I don't know why I was like, "Oh, they got to be big before Christmas." Well, you know what, that just reminds me. Ha-ha! Okay, first of all. Second ball. You're right! You're right! Give it up for me, darling! Yay! (applause) Is that a boop? Hey, that was real! I thought it was. I heard a boop, but it was just a deep male. Brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, brr, And these intimate moments, like, I've done it so that the tour is really close. I want to be able to see people, but I love seeing artists that you feel like are going to keep expanding. Yeah. But at a moment where you can see them at a smaller venue, and you can see them really close and personal. And like, I want to experience that with everybody who's rocking with me right now. I don't want to meet them and see them. You better get in right now. We better get in there. You better get in there, because it prices about to go up. She's like, listen, you better get close now. Because it's going to be hard in the future. Well, you know what? I am proud of making my ticket prices really, really fair for this type of show that I bring. So to be honest with you, the way that I tour, it's not a money grab. I have to spend in order to go, because I've set my prices at a certain way. Yeah. And I have to invest. So it's really a gift to myself to be able to meet my fans and also promote my music in a way that I feel like gives you the entire picture. And it's not just a grab. Some cash. No. Never has been. Right. So like I invest in every tour. So I want to be able to be able to see that before everyone kind of awakens into the larger picture. Like, you know, we're going to just keep going. I can't wait. We going up. We going up. We going up. We going up. Give it up for Victoria Monay. Yeah. Yes. That's a money in the bag. It's a basil? Yes, basil. I'll find out. My daughter's nickname Hazel Basel. Hazel Basel. Was a Whitney Houston, right? Remember when she went on tour with Vivi? Wow. Try to get in my mouth. Did you see that? Yeah. Give me that taco. You're trash can. I'm like, you're going to pop up. I feel like it's going to be a taco. Good, ain't it? Taco. Real good, ain't it? Yeah. You know you're going to show this, Jimmy. Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. Shit is mine. You're going to shit. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I said it. I said it.

Podcast Summary

Key Points:

  1. Victoria Monet shares her new album *Frequency of Love* as a journey through different expressions of love, including familial, romantic, and financial, shaped by personal healing and growth.
  2. The album reflects her transformation from a "hunter" mindset in her earlier work to a more soft, healing, and spiritually grounded "caterpillar to butterfly" energy.
  3. She incorporates culinary experiences, including cooking classes and her grandmother’s influence, into the album’s artistic vision and personal evolution.
  4. Victoria avoids traditional therapy due to time constraints, instead using breathwork, Tai Chi, self-expression, and spiritual reading as alternative healing modalities.
  5. Her personal philosophy includes prioritizing authenticity, emotional safety, and spiritual growth over external validation or success.
  6. She creates a unique "sauce" recipe blending mayonnaise, cilantro, jalapeño, garlic, and lime, emphasizing accessibility and personal taste preferences.
  7. She shares candid insights on family, parenting, and boundary-setting, such as refusing to cook chitlins due to strong sensory aversions and maintaining privacy in personal relationships.
  8. The episode blends personal storytelling with playful trivia and food culture, highlighting how everyday experiences shape identity and creativity.

Summary:

Victoria Monet reflects on her personal and artistic evolution through her new album, *Frequency of Love*, which serves as a deep exploration of love in all its forms—family, romance, and financial—rooted in her healing journey after the Grammy win. She describes a shift from the aggressive, driven energy of her earlier work, like "Jaguar," to a more tender, self-aware, and spiritually grounded state, influenced by culinary school and connections with her grandmother. This transformation is mirrored in her music, fashion, and lifestyle, blending vintage 1940s–90s aesthetics with authenticity and self-expression.

Victoria shares how she uses alternative healing practices—like breathwork and Tai Chi—instead of traditional therapy due to time constraints, emphasizing emotional self-care as essential. She also opens up about family dynamics, such as refusing to cook chitlins due to strong negative memories and sensory aversion, and navigating parenting with boundaries and care. The episode features a fun, interactive "sauce" recipe that symbolizes her approach to life—simple, customizable, and deeply personal.

Through food, music, and shared experiences, Victoria illustrates a philosophy centered on authenticity, emotional safety, and living on one’s own terms. Her openness about challenges, from online criticism to parenting decisions, underscores a commitment to growth and self-discovery. Ultimately, the narrative celebrates the journey of becoming—where success isn’t measured by accolades, but by inner peace and authenticity.

FAQs

She has strong aversions to the smell and appearance of chitlins, and she avoids cooking it due to its strong odor and unappealing look. She prefers to keep her holiday gatherings clean and free of such dishes.

She describes the smell as strong and unpleasant, recalling a moment when she thought her friend’s mother might be sick after smelling it. She notes it’s not just a taste issue but a sensory one that triggers discomfort.

She makes vegan, gluten-free, and chocolate chip cookies, including oatmeal chocolate chip and fruity white chocolate chip varieties. She emphasizes that these are healthy, tasty, and accessible alternatives.

On tour, she tries to make food despite limited kitchen space, often using a bus kitchen with just two stove heads. She focuses on simple, easy-to-prepare recipes like cookies to celebrate holidays.

The album reflects Victoria’s personal journey of healing, growth, and spiritual transformation after the Grammy win. It combines themes of love, self-care, and emotional healing through music and culinary experiences.

Yes, she believes music can deeply influence emotions and mood, and she shares that she sometimes listens to her album 'Frequency of Love' to enter a calm, reflective state, especially during personal or emotional moments.

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