Victor Davis Hanson: Why the 2026 Midterm Polls Could Be Completely Wrong

Everybody thinks that Germans always hated Jews. They didn't. National socialism turned an entire nation into being anti-Semitic. And the people just sat there and watched it happen. And they didn't speak out. When Hassan Piker says the Democrat nominee will never be Jewish, or a mandami has two or three people that have to resign because of their anti-Semitism, or his own wife contributes to an illustration to a book by a known anti-Semi. It's pretty clear that the Democratic Party, at least its base, is being run and enthused by anti-Semites. And people should call them out on it. Well, hello, everybody. Hello, welcome to what, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to Victor Davis Hanson in his own words. I'm a little discombobulated here. I'm Jack Fowler, the host. Victor is the Martin and Ely Anderson. 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Well, the Romans call that cancer because they felt that it was a crab like, that's a Latin word for crab. It's a crab like eating away. It wasted away people. Took away their appetite and then devoured their flesh and turned it into these ugly tumors. They were onto something. Well, Victor, let's, you know, as much as people are consumed with domestic elections, we have some recent overseas activity in Israel in Brazil, in British Columbia. Let's start with British Columbia. You mentioned a little something about that on a recent podcast with Sammy, but maybe it's maybe it portends what might happen here in the US. But what tell us your, well, the polls were, it's about the provincial governor, so an art term of governor that runs the seats in the provincial parliament in British Columbia, which is, I think, arguably either one or the two top, left, you know, Quebec's a separate case, but probably top two or three most liberal of the Canadian provinces. And the one that is most affected by immigration, especially from Asia, from India and China. And so it's considered just, it was gonna be left wing. It was always left wing, but the polls said that there might be a little conservative surge, but no one had anticipated that it was a title wave and for the first time in nearly a century, the conservatives got an overwhelmingly successful parliamentary vote, and now they're running the government. And no one had predicted that. By the same token, it's a little hard to talk about Brazil because, bolisonaro, excuse me, I hope I said that right. Flavio was supposed to win. He had won in the primary, and he was supposed to win by four or five points. Reportedly, he was leading and Lula's own personal lawyer that he had appointed to the Brazilian Supreme Court, ordered the polls to keep open to hours longer, but not nationwide. So there was the accusation whether it's a legend that that helped Lula win an election that he wasn't supposed to. And of course, the whole bolisonaro family fled because Lula will put you in prison if you stay in Brazil. And so the polls, again, were wrong on that if it was a valid election. The polls in Israel were wrong. It's not that they were way off, but Netanyahu was supposed to lose more seats than his rivals. He got the, he needed 61, I think by today, there's some, I think he's down to 53 seats. His opponents have 47. But no one thought that after this election, he would have the most seats. The problem is that his opponents have said they will not deal with the Arab two parties. One is more radical than the other, but to combine they own, I think, 19 seats. But now this morning, they said they would, his opposition. So maybe they'll form a government at a time of war with two parties, one of which is pretty much pro-Hermos. That's kind of scary, but they have one common theme, and that is in all three of these cases, the pollsters missed it. And I think Harry Enten and CNN had made the statement that he thought the Senate would go 52, 53 Democrats with an asterisk, and he meant that if the polls were wrong at the margin they have been wrong in the last three elections, the two generals in one midterm, it was around four percentage points in favor of the Democrats. If that were to take effect in this fourth one, then the Republicans would have 52 seats. If the Republicans hold the Senate, and they confine their losses to 15 seats, remember that Barack Obama lost in his first midterms, 60 seats plus, and then in his second midterm he lost another 13 in his second term. He lost 13 senators in the first, and I think a few in the second. And when he left office, there was an overwhelming Republicans Senate and House, and the same thing happened to Bill Clinton. Just like Obama, he started with a huge lead. People were angry at George H. W. Bush, as they had been at George W. Bush. He came in, I think, with 258 seats, 57 seats, Clinton did, and Obama came in with 258. Obama came in with, if you count the two socialists that were voting 59 senators, and both of them lost badly in their first midterms, and Clinton actually picked up a couple of seats in his second midterm, but he was still not enough. He and Obama's last-- two years, they had gone from overwhelming democratic majorities to solid Republican majorities. Now, the point is, I'm not trying to forecast this midterm, but let's just say that the traditional polls are right. And Trump loses three or four seats and the Senate. And he loses 20 seats, 25 as they say he will. What's in that effect? All like as a historian, all you have to say is, what's been the net effect the last two times that's happened? It didn't, you know, it's really strange, Jack, is that Biden had a miserable 2022. Everybody thinks about it. Right before the midterms and the summer of 2022, gas was higher than than it is now. It was $5 with without ingesting for inflation. Much higher than it is now nationwide. And the GDP was lower than it is now. And the inflation got up to 9.1 that year. So it was three times the inflation. So what am I getting out? We're told that Trump is going to lose the election because of a war and gas and inflation. And I'm telling you in the 2022 supposed red wave, Biden had higher gas prices. And the inflation rate was three times that rate that year. And there was a war when I shouldn't say higher gas prices, it was got up to $4. It got up to $5. But by the time of the midterms, it was about where it is now for something. And he didn't actually get us in a war, but it was even worse in some ways. I think whatever you say about Iran, we've lost about 22 people, we've spent 45 billion, that 45 billion we've spent in Iran is less than what we turned over to the Taliban under Biden right before the midterms in August. It was only a year before 2021. He turned over a billion dollar embassy, which is still in their hands locked or in their possession. He turned over the Bellowed Air Force base that we had just invested three or 400 million in. He turned over, and this is infrastructure, he turned over equipment, he turned over weapons, even if it isn't as high as a 60 billion that people were tossing around, it was the arms market. It being the storehouse that we left behind that's fueled terrorism all over the world. Probably at least as much as we've spent in Iran, if you take the infrastructure in the buildings, and then closer to the 2022 midterms, they invaded in 2022, they being the Russians. And they invaded because of the humiliation that we had in Afghanistan that destroyed deterrence because Biden had put a hold on a hundred million dollars of offensive weapons that the Congress approved for Ukraine. He stopped it. He said to Putin, if you're going to, basically, he said, if you're going to hack our cyber system, please don't hack hospitals and non-pop it's up like that. And then he said his reaction to a punitive invasion by Russia would depend on whether it was a minor or major invasion. So what I'm getting at is with all with worse economic news, with worse gas prices and with a worse foreign policy situation. He only he picked up one Senate seat and he only lost nine house seats. And the the left was exuberant. I went back and looked this morning. They said this was a victory. Yes, he lost the house, but it's the margins are so small and the Republicans cannot enforce discipline. And now we have a we whittled down their Senate margin to almost nothing. And da da da da. So what I'm getting at is the only thing I can see is different Jack is I went back and looked at some of the news accounts. They said the economy was booming in the third quarter under Biden was 3.2. Well, the economy then is really booming because now we were just learned that the third quarter was actually 3.4. And there's estimates of my estimates that might be five, but they're not talking about a boom now. The inflation rate was three times higher. They said it was a bump. I think I looked an article by Yellen. Remember she said, this is just temporary. Don't worry. Gas prices, they said are going down because he went to the Arabs that didn't work and asked them to pump more. But he did drain 40% of the strategic ways of reserve to get it down from five to about 410 or something. But it was still high. But the difference was the media said it was great. Everything was going great. Don't worry about Russia. Don't worry about the skadaddle from Afghanistan. But it's just it's just what I'm getting at is if he loses the mid terms, it's not because the economy or gas or wars were different than Biden. It's because they have been interpreted by the media as existential one of a kind worst thing in history events, affordability. The other thing which I think is the real reason there's on popularity is Joe Biden raised prices by 21% 21%. So if you wanted to buy a dollar banana when he came into office, it was $1.21. Trump came in and he immediately stopped that 5.1 average over four years to 2.3 the first year. And now it's going to be about 3.4 still lower. But nobody's talking about that. Nobody's saying Donald Trump's got 3.4 GDP. He's got the highest per family per capita income. He's got the lowest poverty rate. We're going at 3.4 and it's going to go. No, no, they're saying that prices are affordable. But nobody says they're on affordable because Biden raised them 21% or they're not saying, I don't even think they're saying this Jack. Well, Donald Trump should have lowered them. So we should have had minus 5% inflation. If anybody can tell me when that happened without a severe recession, I'd like to know. So there was a miscommunication. It was the media, but it was also the administration didn't get it out. What they were trying to do. And they're trying now to it. But it's very, and we'll see what happens. It's they're playing catch up. I think they're gaining. And one final observation, as I said, when Biden, when Bill Clinton and eight years, his lowest approval rating was 38.5, Obama's was 38. When they got wiped out and lost the house and the Senate, their ratings went up. In the last two years, Joe, Bill Clinton got an enormous amount of empathy for two reasons. One, he went to Newt again, and he said, let's continue working. We have a two historic balance budgets, 98, 97 and 98, excuse me, 98, and we're forecast for 99. Let's go for 2000 and 2001. And they did. And everybody said, there was even an article I saw that people were worried that we were paying off the debt too quickly. And it might affect bonds. It wouldn't be an availability of government bonds. So that everybody was happy about that. And again, we just didn't get the credit that Clinton did. But that was something. And then a second, they tried to impeach Bill Clinton when the economy was going at 3%. And so that didn't work. And Bill Clinton left office with 60% approval rating in 2001 in January, did losing the house and Senate affect him at all. I don't think it did. He ballyhooed his big Palestinian peace summit that he had. He went into Serbia, did he ask for congressional approval? No, did he bomb? Yes, 77 days, did he hit bridges on the Danube? Yes, did he knock out the power grid some days? Yes, he did what he wanted. Obama, the same thing. After the debacle over Obamacare, the one vote, the wipeout, and the 2010 midterms, he got down to 37.5. To see Obama talk and to look at him, France around people didn't like him. Then he got clobbered. He won the election, but he didn't do well in the Congress in 2012. He got clobbered again in 2014. He was one of the he lost as many seats in the modern period in the house and says, anybody? And what did he do? And the state legislator. Oh, yes, 14 Nationwide, 1400 seats in state legislatures and federal seats. Okay. So now he's president in 2014. What is he doing? He's on the golf course, he's wearing his cutoffs, he's wearing his shades, he's giving is. Well, how do you know? that just those empty speeches. His popularity went from a low of 37.5 all the way over 60, over 60, and what did he do? He did anything he pleased. He said, "I've got a phone. They're not going to work with me." And he didn't work with them, and they didn't work with him. And he signed the Iran deal, which was a disaster. He's airlifted 400 million in cash on a pallet for the Iranians at night, so we couldn't see it. And it was a treaty. And he's, "I'm a constitutional lawyer. I don't have to, you know, I don't have to go to the Senate." He didn't go to the Senate. And then he went into the Paris Climate Accord, that disastrous thing. Public opinion didn't want that. And then he recognized Cuba. He recognized them and lifted the sanction. So my point is, he didn't have any Congress. They were opposed to all of that. And he started issuing hundreds of executive orders. So if Trump should lose, I think it won't affect his foreign policy, one IOTA. It'll affect his ability to confirm judges and appointees if he has to be put, that's important. In the House, it will do what they did to Clinton and what they did during Trump's first, they will impeach Donald Trump. There's no doubt about it. Maybe once, maybe twice, they'll impeach them, count them. Will they get convicted? No, because they're not going to win 60 seats. So it will be a performance art, virtue signaling. One last observation. When these presidents lost their majorities and they went into their last two years, why did their, why did their opinion polls go up? One, they weren't restricted. They'd kept doing what they wanted. Two, there was a campaign started. So in the case of Bill Clinton, it was Al Gore versus George W. Bush. And they had already started. And they were going out. But in the case of Barack Obama, it was even more visceral. It was Hillary Clinton and Trump back and forth in 2016. And to some extent in 2015. And so these two presidents just said, I'm above the fray. I'm a statesman. I'm working on foreign policy. I'm not going to get involved with Hillary's campaign. I'm not going to get involved. Remember Al Gore got really angry. And he made a colossal error because of the adultery and the Monica thing. Bill Clinton was popular and he would not campaign with him against Bush. And remember that Jack, people said to him, yes. Are you crazy? I think Mark Penn, Doug Shone and everybody said, why don't you campaign? He's at 55% approval. The economy's booming. And Gore, I think was a narcissist megalomaniac. They all are. But he especially, and he wouldn't campaign. And people were kind of sympathetic to Bill Clinton of all people. Yeah. So I mean, once that campaign starts in a president's lame duck years, he plays, he's just kind of the president. The more the more you saw of Obama, the more you heard him, the less you liked him, the less you saw him, and the less you heard him, the more you liked him. And then his team went with the propaganda and serious diplomacy of the Iran deal, landmark thing of the climate accord, revolutionary act with Cuba. And people didn't even follow what they liked him at that point because he was harmless. Trump, I don't know if that will happen with him, but he will not be affected in foreign policy. He won't be able, if he lose the Senate to appoint anybody. But then Obama and Clinton didn't get anybody really passed too much in their last two years. So we'll see. I think there's a 50. I think it's 55% the Republicans have a chance to keep the Senate. And I think it's 45, 55, they might lose the House. Well, maybe there's also a component to talk about, Victor, related to fatigue or Trump fatigue. But before I press you on that to our listeners and our viewers, the Pentagon is now planning for every major military base in America to be able to run on its own for 90 days, its own power, its own water, its own fuel completely cut off from the grid. Why now? Why all of a sudden? What do they know? What are they preparing for? And if our military needs 90 days of independence, what does that mean for the rest of us? We can speculate as to the reasons behind all of this, but one thing is for sure the people whose job is to plan for the worst are planning for 90 days. So, fair listeners and viewers, what's your 90 day plan? 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But also, if there's fatigue, well, I wonder why it doesn't necessarily apply to someone like Netanyahu who has been the colossus and Israel politician, Israeli politics. Long as prime minister in history. Well, I guess it does in a sense that this will be his closest election. And George Bush once said, you remember when he kind of got wiped out in the 2006 midterms, and they asked him, and he said, I think just people got tired of listening to me. I've been around so long. He said, you know, he was very honest. I think people want a change, and that's why since 1900, we've had 126 years, and there's only been three occasions when the party controlling the White House win seats. Usually a president gets reelected if he runs, but in the last 30 years, we've had all sorts of strange one-term presidencies or interrupted presidencies. But yeah, I think there is such a thing as fatigue. Donald Trump is on, he put it this way, he is in the news 10 times more than Biden. He's not taking three days off at Marlago. He's not hiding. Biden didn't even hold press conferences. Yeah, wait, put a lid. There's a lid on. Right? Every 30 out was at 2.30 or 10.30 in the morning. Yeah. Have anybody heard the word lid? I haven't even used it once with Trump. He will talk to anyone, anywhere, anytime, about anything. That's just what he does, and that can be very good. He's a good communicator, but a lot of people see him a lot. And maybe that bothers him, or the aggregate amount of the tweets, I don't know, but it happens to a lot of presidents. We'll see. There is one other thing that, and I'll shut off about the midterms. And that is, as CNN I said earlier, the 2016 polls were way off. The 2022 polls were way off about the red wave. The 2024 polls were off, at least most of them. The 2016, as I said earlier, was way off. And except for one or two cases that I mentioned, one case I mentioned, it usually is in favor of the Democrats. And the statistics say it's four points. So, do that trend affect the midterms? Oh, it sure did in the primaries, because El Said was nine points. He lost nine points. The only one by one point, less than one point. He was supposed to win by 10, Fong and the Wisconsin candidate. I guess she was for governor. She was supposed to win by one poll by 20. And it didn't happen. So, there's another thing is that people talk a lot to pollsters, not so much Republicans, but they vent, they show their frustrations, and then they could get into the poll booth. Or they get home on their desk when they're doing their mail. And it's kind of the devil I know was better than the devil I don't. And some of them are not so ready to, we'll see. The Republicans also So I've been given a great. gift. Had you had a normal Democrat running in Michigan or Maine or Minnesota or Texas, I would not be very confident right now. But Taloriko, if you got AI and you said, can you dream up a candidate that's more antithetical to Texas on fuel, on religion, on beef, on trans, on the border, they would come up with that guy's name. So we'll see. Well, well, you know, Victor, you mentioned how Israel talked about the Israeli elections, how there was a two-hour parties, which are one is pro-Hamas and interesting that Israel, the evil Israel, anti-democratic Israel will have actual democratic political parties that take that, of that position. But I mean, I thought they were a part of apartheid government. Remember that? All these leftists all over Europe and the United States, apartheid apartheid apartheid apartheid. This is wonderful. The Arabs are finally showing their clout in the, in the balloting booth. This is wonderful. They're, oh my gosh, that 20% is now the 20% and we're they're going to take over. This is one and you thought, well, wait a minute. You just told us it was apartheid. They had no power. They were disenfranchised. How can it be? And when does, can anybody name one of the Arab countries where 20% of the population is voting as Jews in a block? You can't even find an election you're telling me. Much less were Jews. Oh, there's no Jews because they ethnically cleansed a million of them from all of the Arab countries. You didn't mention that. That's what's so strange. Also, Victor, if you comparatively, and I do want to talk about pro-Palestinian parties in Germany, but if you look at what happened in the recent Hungarian elections, if you were on the losing side, they are gunning for you like, like, like, Balasaro or Lula in Brazil. What do you do to your enemies? You try to lock them up. You see what's happening in Poland. They had kind of a mini coup didn't they in Poland, where the president wouldn't, I mean, he's the prime minister, but traditionally under their constitution, the president, as I understand it, has to swear in his judges and he didn't do it, and therefore he wasn't able to confirm his appointments. So he just confirmed, I guess, with the judges he had, or what? Well, Tusk trying to do it through their Congress. I think they're trying to get the parliament to kind of observe the judicial branch's power was kind of like a coup and then they had kind of a, I didn't follow it closely, but they had kind of sophisticated cuffs actually among the pro parliamentary versus the pro judicial. And it's kind of important because we are shifting 5,000 troops there. And I, the EU, of course, was cheering this on just like they cheered on Lula, but they should be very careful because all of the news from Europe as it comes here is bad, whether it's the EU or the riots or the denial of airspace, the denial of bases or the censorship or the effort of the European entrenched elite left to kind of outlaw conservative parties or expression. It's all bad. And yet they keep telling us it's you owe us. You must come over here and save us from Russia. And we say, you have five, you were the epicenter of two world wars. You were the master of military tradition and western civilizations prowess at arms for 2,500 years. And you've got 500 million people and Russia's got 140 million. You have two nuclear states, France and Britain. And you're telling me you can't protect yourself when Ukraine, little Ukraine with 28 million people can protect itself from Russia. And you can't. And you're asking us to do this because you say it's an existential war. And we just told you an existential war is when you let an unhinged theocratic madman have a missile that can hit your cities and soon ours. And they're claiming they had enough enrichment for nine bombs. And you won't let us use a base in the middle of the night that no one will know about. All we ask to do is land there, refuel and go to the Middle East. You won't let us fly through your air spaces. You won't provide security that we can count on on your bases or our bombers. Three billion plus worth of them are protecting NATO. So I just think it's and then when you hear about the coup attempt, you hear about the riots and it's just bad news. And you know, I just think it's they don't have any idea about the American people are thinking they all they do in Europe is entertain council foreign relation elites that go over there or international transit landing fund or NATO grandiose or they listen to American PBS like the BBC they do over there. They just they just they think America is run by the coast with the universities, the money, the stock market, the entertainment is. And we saw that with the with the world cup when they went out in the middle of the country, they were on astonished European. Wow, these people are nice. Wow, it's there's less crime out here in rural Oklahoma or rural Texas or small town Nebraska than there is in Washington or New York. These these little places have beautiful homes. They're they're crime free. They're nice people. I didn't know this. Well, you didn't know it because you didn't want to know it because you just you look at the United States and you see it as Seattle to San Diego and basically Boston to Miami. Period. Yeah. Amen. Well, I want to raise this German story but first a victor to our listeners and our viewers. If you've studied enough history, you start to see a pattern. Nations don't lose their way overnight. 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So we had lines from Breitbart, Germany's left, privately admit they're afraid of their pro-Palestin pro-Palestin allies. The alliance in Europe between the hard-line socialist parties echo warrior greens and Islamists have often raised the question of the extent to which leftists understand their progressive values clash with those that they knew, but Muslim bedfellows. Well for the first time an internal document expressing fear that pro-Palestin activists would become associated with the movement was accidentally emailed to Germany's best-selling news magazine, Dishpiegel, offering a glimpse into the thinking of one of Europe's most influential hard-left parties, Elif Urla, or Alp. The Turkish heritage Berlin mayor candidate for Dailyink, which is the inheritor of the formerly ruling East German Marxist-Leninist Socialist Unity Party, that's a mouthful. And her office appeared to have accidentally forwarded an internal version of an interview transcript she'd given Dishpiegel earlier this week back to the magazine with their internal discussions and notes still appended. Among them, our ear alps regret, ever having agreed to the interview at all in her fear at even discussing the party's increasing link up with pro-Palestine activists. Victor, this relationship is not going to end well. No, we've been talking about this for months, especially as it pertains to the United States as democratic Islamists. How do you put a Hassan Piker or a mandami or an al-Said or a Kuros or these radical Islamists with atheist agnostic socialists who are way off on the left wing spectrum, things like homosexuality, transgendered, will get you killed in a lot of Arab countries, maybe not Afghanistan, but otherwise, that are Arab Muslims. But, and we all said it wouldn't work and everybody said, that's crazy. There's two things to remember. Number one, why are they connected in the first place? They're connected because they share two things. They hate Western civilization in general and they hate the United States in particular, and that makes them bound by the hip, joined by the hip. The second thing, why they're joined is they do share anti-Semitism. Today's socialist model, whether you, whatever they are, alien Omar is a socialist, but she's an Islamist. She represents that nexus of anti-Semitism. But the third thing, so they're anti-Semitic and they hate the West and they hate the United States, and the third thing is they're prone to violence. You saw the socialist manifestation and the ice riots, the immigration riots, and you saw what was going on campus with the anti-Israel anti-Semitic riots. So they both believe in both the same ends and same methods. Now, does that mean they're going to be permanent partners? No, because number one, the Islamists are a lot better at violence than socialist are. If you ever looked at an antifa person versus a Islamist, there's no comparison. Number two, the socialist claim that, I mean, Taloriko cannot close his mouth without talking about trans and gay issues and women's liberation. Well, the Islamists are against all that. They suppress it because of their mutual hatred, as I said, for the West and the United States. But in the past, those elemental differences have destroyed that alliance. And then there's no better example than 1980. When the socialist went out day after day, middle class, upwardly mobile Iranians westernized, they hated the shaw. They hated the shaw and they wanted a left-wing European government type. And they enlisted Komeini who had his cassettes coming in because they thought he was this tip of their spear. He came in the lower classes, the rural people, the Islamists, helped the socialist. They banished the shaw. They wiped out his government. They killed about three or four thousand people immediately. They would go on to kill 60, 70,000. And then they took a deep breath and what did they do? They said to the socialist, you're godless infidel, you don't believe in God, you're not Muslim, you want women to be out in public naked, all of this, your homosexuals, all of that. And they banned them. They start killing them. And they all fled to Europe, the United States. And you can see it today when you talk to an Iranian person, as I said, if he asked him when he came to the United States, and he's over 70 or over 65, and he came before 1980, he's conservative. And he fled because the shaw he felt couldn't protect him from these people, because he was going to fall. If you talk to them afterwards, they're disappointed and socialist. And they tend to be anti-American, in academia, on campus, in the media. These are Iranians. Very different. They don't have anything in common. And so my point is that this socialist, Islamist, nexus is not going to last. I don't know why they, I don't think El Sayyid likes to have Bernie Sanders there. I really don't. I mean, they have nothing, he's just useful. And you saw Hassan Pikers, he is now suing all sorts of people who are playing excerpts, maybe out of context, where he had said he had mentioned lynching of blacks. I think he was being sarcastic. Yes, I'm a racist. I believe in lynching in blacks, meaning that's an absurd charge. But you take that out of context and it can be damning. You shouldn't do that. But then you should never say it even in the adjusting manner because people will do that, given the internet today. But he's been on record saying, I don't really care what blacks think, politically. And so, and I know that he is not in favor of the gay movement and trans and all that. And what we'll see, a mandami says he is, but deep down inside he's not. And I think that that coalition is going to break apart and the left is going to be surprised that they will not be able to control those people. Yeah, the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a situational strategy. It can't be a long term strategy or you'll end up with murder. It's really based on Trump too, if you think about it. They hate Trump for different reasons. That's the Palestinian enemy. He bombed Gaza. He gave this stuff for Gaza. He's pro-Jewish. He's pro-Israel. Oh, we hate him because he has an orange hair and he's a capitalist. And so that won't last when Trump is not president either. Well, Victor, I have, I went to a few things yesterday, last week. I think they, I want to raise them because I think they'd be interesting matters to get your take on. And there's also an interesting story in the New York post about so much bogusness and recycling. So let's get to that when we come back from these important messages. Many Americans are going to have a big wake up call. 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We're recording on Sunday, November 1st. Well, Saints Day. This episode is up on Election Day. Victor's website. The blade of Perseus. You can find that at victorhanson.com. Tons of free stuff. Tons of links. You'll see kind of links that require you to subscribe. And they're ultra. You see a little black tab, ultra. And these are twice a week Victor writes articles for the blade Perseus. Once a week he does a video. That's exclusive. So 650 a month discounted for the full year, like two free months, $65. So do subscribe to the blade. And also if you'd like to get a signed copy of Victor's bestselling new book, the counter revolution, the fall and rise of Donald Trump in the mega movement, you can get it there. Yeah, I think that our web people we have over 500 copies that we were sending where we either sent or they're in the process of being sent out. And the ultra is I think they'll like them. This I did some on water, how precious water is for the economy, especially in the West. But this week, starting next week, it's about words that mean nothing, nothing. And one of them is if you notice how wealthy elite left wing white women and left wing elite DI minorities say y'all when you say what do you say when you see it a little like did you see this tapejack of this Brazilian woman and her parents, her CEOs, they're very wealthy and they're here on a work visa elites and they live in a multi-million dollar home. And she's I think the University of Texas at San Antonio and she went to a turning point event on campus. Did you see what she said? I did not, but was she a Pia part of it? Well, it was the weirdest thing. She has an American accent, blonde hair, those big retro glasses and she said I just want I don't I just want to read a poem and it was called The Curve. anniversary and it's about to see that it's really disturbing. It was glorifying not just the death of Charlie Kirk but how he how he died and then he said come to the Kirk surge meaning the blood coming out and then the poor guy that was the attorney point said what are you doing and then she said essentially I can't believe you're here given our level the level of political violence and you don't have a neck brace meeting we're capable of shooting you and she was arrogant well then it and she bragged because she thinks being an immigrant is equivalent to DI even though she's blonde and wider than I you know the snow but she wanted a little affiliation so she says she's an immigrant you know what the social media did in two seconds they checked her whole family out and they said these are very very wealthy left wing Brazilians she's a capitalist they're very wealthy and it is you can have your student visa or work visa revoked when you threaten political violence she just threatened the speaker here and with a clear threat that he should have a neck brace on because the people who shot Charlie Kirk or the forces that shot him and the neck could do that to him and he's very brave even talking to me and I am celebrating and so they talk to her so today she came out did you see her retraction oh it's like they's not what a lawyer must have written something it's like the I don't know what to do I just not that way I'm such a kind person I don't know it up and I don't ever want to say that I was I wanted I'm happy got shot in the neck and bloody and I and I didn't mean to threaten anybody I'm just I'd not me I don't mean I'm not a violent person please please it was just pathetic and it was so insincere she was a sir when you saw her because she was so arrogant yeah and she was basically threatened the guy with a neck wound and what's wrong with going back to Brazil I don't know how bad and they've got a socialist for another four years that's what she wants yeah so I think that Marco Rubio I really do think in every free speech no there's not free speech if you come to this country on a visa you don't have to renew it for any reason you can just say sorry we're full standing line or sorry the line to get in America we're gonna walk down the line and say do you like the United States or do you want to kill another American political figure oh you do out it that's there's no constitutional protection so they should deport her immediately I think Greg Gutfield had a real good thing he said he was going to devote most of his attention in the upcoming days and make sure that people knew what she said and she said he focuses on something new yeah he's very clever and he's he's kind of fearless too and I it was more it was the most repulsive thing that I've heard politically this year what she said and to go to an event and then glorify tell everybody that you've got to come to our event and it was foul mouth use foul language and she said come to our event we're celebrating the squirt that's what it was the Kirk squirt think of that and then those people they they showed a lot of memes where people have t-shirts and they have blood right coming down their neck these people are really this is not I didn't even I don't I don't remember I mean the 60s sds was foul mouth and crude and violent but so I'm not blaming you here Victor yeah because we've made you you're very funny at times talking about the spaghetti armed types but at some point they transition into violent SOBs or a segment of them do but they're cowardly they're always cowardly every time you see an antifa person come up in a spillover demonstration when they go when they try to assault or somebody and somebody stands up to them I'll never forget that during the George for it I remember you saw that video where about three f'd antifas go out to a suburb and they pull into a service station they're going to either fire bomb and then all of a sudden they see normal Americans and they start to that are going to get they're going to get beat up and get some biker's as they are well that you've seen the Trump security they I think they are a biker club they have let they have leather jackets on they look pretty beefy so that's I never that's another thing I never understood I live in a very conservative area it's mostly Hispanic but it's mostly conservative Hispanic and it has members of the third generation died Oklahoma diaspora it has farmers of all different national but they I mean we have a conservative Democrat congressperson but I'm right on the nexus of Devon Nunez's old district David Valdeo to be publicans and and then Jim Costa who always campaigns as if he was a Republican for a while at least and the idea that if you had a revolution or something that you could come into this southwest Fresno county on the Biberder border of Tulare and Kings County and what go in and start going you wouldn't last a second I would say on the on the avenue that I live given the types of people here in gangs and everything I would say that if I just walked if I drove from one end to the other of my avenue for five miles and confiscated every AR 15 or block you your truck would be full of them yeah it's it's a red dawn yeah and then if you went to every farmer's residence you would find all kinds of weapons well you know we didn't find weapons other than except for weapons of intelligence was last week I was invited to by John and Liz Sauriano who are just huge huge fans of yours to the encounter a prize dinner which was in Washington's Charles Murray and Larry Arne were honored by and counter and you're the chairman of the board of can I know you couldn't be there you just was on the wrong coast but it was a great night and it was well happy for for encounter and and for sounds Dr. Kimball yeah Rogers really turned in not that it wasn't successful but it's hyper successful now encounters just zooming in every measure of success I can tell you a very quick story of six of our listeners I was in Home Depot the other day yesterday and I was going back and forth because we're finishing still another wiring problem camp in this ancient house and there was a guy there I won't give you his name I'll just call him Jake and when I was a freshman I was 14 he was 63 as a senior 17 18 and he was the most muscular tough guy I've ever seen and he looked really mean and he was an all-star football player and he was our we had just started wrestling and he was on heavy weight and he won everything until the finals I think a you know guy had been wrestling for four years finally beat him but he was a he wasn't a bully he was actually a very nice guy but he was so big and strong that all of us seniors always picked on freshmen you know what you mean so when he walked by there was a retune of hangers on that were seniors that didn't have his size or strength but they were pretty impressed and they would push you out of the way you know what you mean they walked by yeah way freshmen and I was going out for wrestling if they just started and I was a hundred and twenty one pounds I was six one I wondered 21 pounds I was a stick talk about spaghetti arms yes and I was a JV wrestler and he his locker was there and he was huge everybody was terrified over him but he was the nicest person he kind of know like this and go and I have hands and arms yeah yeah okay I mean all of anything's wrong and you know what I mean he was always nice so guardian angel yeah and so I was in Home Depot the other day and I mean he's in his mid seventies now he's not as you know but I recognize he said you don't remember me and I said yes I do and I gave him his name and he was so friendly and he's a big fan of our podcast and he was trying to tell me that he's still here he hasn't moved out like everybody from California and he was telling me I'm glad that you haven't but he was a sweetest kind of sky and I said something to him there I don't know if he and he kind of looked tentative he said you know I've always liked you I always listen to your show and I said you know you were you were really a the big tough guy on the whole campus and I said but you know you were always very nice to people who were spaghetti I said you were very nice to me and he said I was I said yeah I was in terror of you when you walk down you know walk down the aisle in the locker room I thought oh my gosh here he comes he looked like a you know Arnold Schwarzenegger but and he could fight too but he and he was really he kind of grow but when he he saw me. How you doing, Hansen? Everything going okay? So I said that to him when he was so super. He was such a nice guy and I really like him. He lived in the funny thing. He lives two miles from me. I see him every once in a while, but I've always liked him is what I'm trying to say, but I didn't know that I didn't know he was a fan of our podcast. And he said he was and he said to a lot of people like me, listen to you guys and he was very nice. And I really liked him. But I've known him. That was in 1967 when I went to high school. So 33 years ago, 43, 53, 60 years ago almost. Yeah. And we're still both alive. Okay, bless. So that's so one last thing. The counter dinner. It was non-stop all night. How's Victor? How's Victor? How's Victor? So they were all praying. Also praying for you, Victor. And I was at a bar mitzvah yesterday in Massachusetts, our friend, Shraga Kawiar, who advertised on the show. He sent you shirts and my words and those beautiful shirts. Yeah. They're very strong. Well, Shraga's family, his, his, his, his great nephew Ben was his bar mitzvah, just Miriam and John Marcus, parents, Fredie, Fredie and David, and then Kiam and Evelyn, the whole family. They all love you. And so I went to the, it's a very orthodox, it was an orthodox service. It was long. It was all in Hebrew. I'm Catholic. I said, everybody knows. But I was fascinated by it. And I thought, I was so happy there. It was such a, a, a worshipful and happy community, but God-fearing, God-believing, joyful people who love America. And this is the thing I'm getting at. So I want to, you know, congratulations to our friends because this was a special day for them. But why people will hate Jews because their Jews is beyond me. These, they are just wonderful people and they love America. And they're detested by even some of our former friends or, you know, I just don't get it. What's detestable is that ad they're running that Haas on Pikers are sent you or whatever's name is. And Haas on Piker did not disown it. He said, it's not his ad, but he didn't say, it's not my ad. And I renounce it. He basically said, it's not my ad, but, you know, implied that it's helpful where they have this woman with a banana. And she says, that prices are going up because of the three and a half. She says 26 billion, but that's multi-year, three billion a year point. I don't know what it is. 001% of the budget, six trillion dollars. And we're supposed to think that when we're spending six, six trillion, 25% on social welfare, that prices are going up because we spend a minuscule amount. Why didn't she say, they're going up because we gave a hundred and fifty billion dollars to Ukraine. Or why doesn't she say, USAID was giving all that? No, it was always the Jews. And so that ad should backfire. If anybody in Michigan has listened to you, that ad alone should disqualify that guy for Senate. I'll say, it's the most anti-Semitic thing I've ever seen. Blame the Jew. And you know what's so scary is it's I didn't, you know, I always felt that if you have an argument, ad Hitler, in other words, you have to read sort to Nazis in Germany. It doesn't work. But when you look at 1933 and how Jews were initially apprehensive and some left because they had known Hitler from the beer hall push and they knew what he was up to. And then he was vice-chancellor and they kept saying, well, he's vice-chancellor. And there's Hindenburg. And I have an iron cross from my heroism in the world where one in Hindenburg is a German patriot. He's not in that place. And he he's he doesn't like Hitler. And then Hindenburg dies and then Hitler, well, there's still a constitution and he gets rid of the constitution within a year and a half. And then there's Crystal Nick and there it keeps going and going and they don't get out. Not all they didn't get out. And the people just sat there and watched it happen and they didn't speak out. And Germany had a history of racialism 19th century geneticists and stuff that wrote crazy things. You can even find it a little bit in Nietzsche, although he wasn't really, he acknowledged the Jewish contribution. But you can see it in Oswald Spingler, or you can see it in Nietzsche. But it wasn't predominant. You could argue that anti-Semitism was more prevalent in Eastern Europe. Because more Jews were secularized. I don't mean that that they gave up their I should say westernized in Germany and France and Holland. Or as in Eastern Europe, they were more orthodox and therefore easily identifiable where people had much more it was much more likely they were intermarried and assimilated. So there wasn't that history. Everybody thinks the Germans always hated Jews. They didn't. And that national socialism turned an entire nation into being anti-Semitic. And if we had this conversation 10 years ago and you said the Democratic Party is afraid and will never nominate a Jewish American for the vice presidency. Nobody would believe me. But anybody who looked at the 2024 election and when Kamala Harris was trying to balance that ticket. And you looked at, you couldn't get Gavin Newsom same state. He was a mediocrity. Everybody said that Josh Shapiro, I don't agree with him at all in his politics. I think he's a lot more left-wing than he lets on. But he had been a successful governor as governor goes. And in the key swing state in the Kings, that's a very good point, Jack. And he had zero chance because if she had appointed him, she would have lost the DI vote a lot of it. She would have lost all of the Muslim vote and she would have lost a lot of the socialist vote. And so she didn't do it. And that will never happen in our lifetime that a Jewish American will be nominated. And some of the stuff that Tucker and Buckley Carlson are saying or posted, maybe it's not in their name. I see it posted where they are talking about the overrepresentation or the overabundance of Jews is pretty scary. It really is. And I never thought I never thought we would be here, but I can tell you one thing. If you don't speak up against it, it'll spread and it'll be too late. So people should really talk about it because it's a mix, it's a mix of actual belief. Like did all of these Germans really become anti-Semitic? No, maybe some, but a lot of them lacked courage. So it's, when El Saeed says that a Democrat nominee will never be Jewish or when Hassan Piker, excuse me, when Hassan Piker says that or El Saeed runs, it allows that commercial to be run. Or Mondami has two or three people that have to resign because of their anti-Semitism or his own wife contributes to an illustration to a book by a known anti-Semite, H Jews. And when you look at Ilyan Omar, it's the Benjamin's baby, it's the Benjamin's baby. And you look at the whole squad, what they've said. It's pretty clear that the Democratic Party, at least its base has been run and enthused by anti-Semites and people should call them out on it. Yeah. And yeah, who is Trump Schumer? You know, it's an either leader of the party in the Senate. He's scared, he's scared stiff. He's scared. He's scared. Pelosi came out the other day. She had said talking out of all sides of her mouth, but she had said that this was not good to have anti-Semitism prevalent. And then she said, everybody should get out and support El Saeed. So what did that mean? Nothing. Not them. Well, we're going to get your view on one last topic here, Victor. And of Trump, I'll crush this all in New York, post had a great piece about how bogus so many environmental claims have been, how they've been proven to be bogus. And there are six or seven of them. But I've just made mentioned two on the list. Well, one is that the claim that paper straws are better than plastic. So this says replacing paper straw, plastic straws with paper ones changes the environmental calculation. It does not automatically settle it according to a study. A 2025 lifetime cycle study examining straw alternatives in Greece found paper straws have higher climate impacts than conventional plastic ones. Paper production raw materials disposal all contributed to that footprint. But paper straws was a religious doctrine for the left. Now one other thing is cotton cotton tote bags are greener than plastic bags. We know how evil plastic bags are, right? So here's the story says bags need to be reused more than 100 times each to be greener than plastic producing cotton requires more resources. So a tote begins with a manufacturing footprint that must be spread across repeated shopping trips of British environments agency study estimated a cotton bag needed 131 uses to be a conventional single use plastic bag and if you use that plastic bag more than once then it makes that 131 much, much higher number. Anyway, Vector, so much of the panacea is is baloney your thoughts. Well here in California you have to pay for bags. I don't know if you still do. When you go to the grocery store they charge you for a plastic bag. Well you can't get them anybody. You should charge you a nickel for them but now they're in Connecticut. They're not available at all. You have to buy the larger plastic. I've noticed that they're starting to do that. I mean I don't seem as much but the plastic they do give you is not really plastic. It seemed like it's corn. It's just evaporate. It's so cheap. So it's got like one milliliter of thickness if that. Used to have at the supermarket I go they were really nice bags plastic and you could but today they're they're just very very thin and when I go there they're clean they just roll them off a clean spool and then I see these I don't want to use the word I'm been banned. I'm sorry everybody I will not use word Karen but I see this type set and they come in with these usually they say whole foods on it or something. These big tote and they're filthy dirty. Have you seen them? They're worn. They're all dirty and then they put their asparagus or their lettuce and they put it in there and I'm thinking man. That's the whole idea of plastic. The cheap plastic biodegradable bags was so you would not have all of that you know. A fluvia. A fluvia would plots them and jets them in your bag yeah and it's it's it's they can't get it straight the left it's it's it's it's an ideological it's an ideological argument and all right anyway well let's wrap it up I have a couple comments Victor from and I do want to repeat that tonight when we're airing Tuesday night you'll be live with the daily signal. Yes. And then there's also an extra podcast. Yes. Coming up on Wednesday the fourth and that's you and Brooke Rollins right? Is that correct? Yes it is. I interviewed her. She was so generous. She said 35 to 40. I think it went 50 minutes. She is she's a strong advocate for family farming. I know she's a conservative and she's not a corporate ag basher at all. She doesn't see she just wants family farmers to survive. She was up to date on all the water issues. As I said before she's a very articulate vivacious and I think I did say didn't mean it in a sexist fashion. Quite beautiful woman. Oh yeah she's gorgeous lady. Yeah and she's smart she ran the public policy. Yeah I didn't mean that to suggest she was she's smart as a whip and she's well spoken and she's got enormous amounts of energy. She has four children I think. Yeah. She's kind of a super person in the sense that she can do well she has a lot of capabilities and she's a workaholic and she's really she's really doing wonderful. She's cut billions of dollars off the egg budget. She is really going after the snap what we call food stamps and all the fraud not because she just wants to cut people's food off because she wants to make sure the people who need it are not we're not going to go broke because these people are ripping us off to this tune of millions of dollars. So she's really a wonderful egg. So I think people will like the interview. I really do. I look forward to listening to it. Have a few comments to read. What did you say writes victors impersonation of Obama is spot on. I love that he trashes the great one. All the bomb it did was destroy healthcare in the middle class at the same time. Hey you can keep your doctor in your plan. How did that big lie go? Then Ricky Pizano writes high victor and Jack it seems that the left and the globalists are doing everything they can to push Americans who are still patriotic towards embracing extreme nationalism. What do you what do you think of this trend? Gina and I are longtime fans. Love your show received your new book last week and it's a page turner. Thanks for everything VDH you are loved. We spoke about the Battle of Aging Court on a recent podcast and John Lord writes my direct male father and son both Sir Knights were at Aging Court in 1415. The father was a Lancer in the Calvary cavalry the Calvary cavalry until the killed Earl of March while the son was an infantryman under a lower nobility lieutenant the aftermath of the wars that we received our second coat of arms of the French Royal Arms banner and he's recaptured a battle flag position with an adorced I'm not sure what that means right wing hidden behind an uprising flying winged Pelican was that kind of cool to be able to trace your lineage back. Yeah it is I hope his answer wasn't one of the 2000 plus French prisoners that were executed. Yeah well he still has the coat of arms because that's what happened in them and finally Michael while while in sick writes truly enjoy your podcast thank you for continuing to share your wisdom agree with your other listeners you are definitely the light and the darkness praying for your continued. Oh I have yeah I have a health update I had my 300 day DNA bloodbops biopsy and that that's when they take your tumor when they remove it they type set your long chain of mutations then they I think it's an AI driven program then they take a lot of blood out of you and they run it through that and they can detect as they said one cell in the case of mukenous adenoma carcinoma the mukenous adjutants a little tricky because they shed fewer so I was told that if it had been an adenoma carcinoma the 30 day test I had that was negative the 90 day test I had it was negative it would have been really great news but because mukenous might not have shed it shed yet it was so so but the 200 and 300 day tests would be much more important so I had the 200 it was negative I just got my results back on Friday and it was negative so that's half of my my skin the other half is mukenous adenoma spread either through the blood and metastasized or the through the airways and I had something called stas where they found DNA in the lobe that they removed outside of the tumor in other words it was a big mass they took the whole lobe out some of it was a bit was dead tissue they called ground glass and there was the cancer tumor inside but outside of that they found cancer in the airways and that means there was a chance it got up before they took it out into the air spaces in other words it's not in the bloodstream so they can detect that with a cat scan if it formed a nodule so I have that test in in two weeks and if that is negative I have a pretty good year or year and a half prognosis I'm looking forward to that terrific well I'm kind of looking forward to it well I mean your odds keep them proving with each no thing I was really struck though with this story it just reminded me that everyone little things that people do stay with you for 50 years and I was just a little skinny guy with glasses left handed geek bookworm well I mean I played sports and stuff football and basketball I'm out wrestling football and baseball I wasn't as good an athlete as my twin brother he was a phenomenal athlete but just that one little incident each day that I was wrestling with this personal call Jake this huge guy would walk down as I said just thundered I mean everybody was in awe of his physical strength and his combativeness went necessary but he wasn't he wasn't a bully and he would stop and say how you're doing and I that's been 60 years and I really I can remember it as it is yesterday so when I saw him I wanted to make sure he knew that you know Victor along the same lines and you won't get this reference but I'm sure a number of our listeners viewers will Jerry Murray father Murray who's anyone who watches the Catholic cable network EWTN knows Jerry and Jerry was my he was a he was a junior when I was a freshman at high school and he was just like that he was he was no one got shoved in lockers in my school but but he was he was so good and kind to the underclassman and at the time it was it was striking and over the years yeah I've really it's just meant a lot to me that he was so good to us but way back in the day and he's such a great man he's one of the leading voices that's very important because when you get when you're 14 15 16 and 17 you're transitioning to adulthood and there's so many bullies And those years of your life, academic or cerebral talent is looked down upon, not just indifferent by a lot of people, but anthropetical to physical strength. I was pretty strong for a wrestler, but to have somebody who could have beaten up every single person in the high school, to be really nice to an unknown person, 14, every time he saw me, and he was nice to the people. He just looked so formidable because he was just so strong. I mean, he had huge muscles, and he wasn't a weightlifter. He had a farm. He worked on it. His muscles came from physical work, and he was huge. And as I said to him, I think he was a little taken back, he might have forgotten, but I said, you were really a nice guy to me, and I've always remembered that, and I like him a lot. And every once in a while, I always waive to him, I'm going to try to go see him sometime. That's terrific. Well, Victor, you've been, as ever, terrific today with the wisdom you share, and I thank it. I thank everyone who has watched this, and I've got a number of emails last week. I get them every week now from folks who get civil thoughts, go to civilthoughts.com, sign up for the free weekly, comes out every Friday email newsletter I write for the Center for Civil Society. It's got 14 recommended reading, again, totally free, not selling your name, not selling anything. So I know you'll enjoy it. Again, Victor's website, the blade of Perseus, VictorHanson.com, see address, get Victor, if you haven't bought Victor's book yet, and you want to sign copy, find it there. And if you're on X, Victor's Handlers at VD Hansen. So folks, we'll be back soon with another episode of Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Bye-bye. Only for listening and watching, and we'll see you next time, and talk to you next time.