Victor Davis Hanson: Why Leftist Feminists are Clinging to the Lindsay Clancy Case
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The transcript features a detailed conversation between Jack Fowler and Victor Davis Hanson, covering a range of political, historical, and social issues. Hanson critiques Tucker Carlson’s false and conspiratorial claims about nuclear weapons and Donald Trump, arguing that the atomic bombings were a pragmatic wartime decision to avoid massive casualties and a full-scale invasion of Japan. He emphasizes historical facts, such as the Japanese military’s intent to use kamikaze attacks and their willingness to accept massive civilian losses, to refute claims that the bombs were evil or spiritually motivated. The discussion also addresses the Lindsay Clancy trial, where Hanson condemns the left’s political activism and the demonization of a holdout juror, Michael Deseronville, highlighting how intersectionality—particularly white liberal feminism—has been used to marginalize dissenting voices. Hanson argues that such narratives serve ideological agendas over justice. He also praises the current U.S. economy, noting low poverty, strong job growth, and rising per capita GDP, while warning against political distractions and left-wing policies that promote abortion and euthanasia. Throughout, Hanson advocates for historical truth, cultural integrity, and a return to conservative values, urging Americans to defend their identity and institutions against ideological and demographic threats. The conversation underscores a broader concern: that truth is under attack in modern politics, and only through vigilance and principled leadership can society maintain its foundations.
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because she doesn't have the people that she murdered.
This is something out of the darkest mind of something out of the Third Reich or something.
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I want to say something, Victor.
I'm happy you're alive because 10 months ago,
all of us, we don't know if we'll be alive a minute from now,
but things look dicey.
But you are alive, and you are alive to enjoy the fact that your book,
is number one on the New York Times bestseller list for hardcover nonfiction.
And I'm very happy for you, and I think most of our viewers and listeners are too.
For all those reasons.
I didn't really sink into me until I think the second day
when one of the physicians came in and said,
you lost 60% of your blood.
You had five blood transfusions, a platelet transfusions.
You have severe anemia,
and you have AFib.
And then I thought,
because when I woke up in the ICU,
I thought I was over with it.
Everybody said, they were all smiling and got it.
It took a little longer than usual, five hours.
And then all bedlam broke loose.
All of a sudden, I heard everybody yelling, get an operating room.
And then, do you have a religious objection to transfusions?
And I said, now why would?
And that's all I remember.
Now I would.
And then I woke up, and it was dark.
And I said, wow, this is a weird afternoon.
So I thought it was all one operation for about a day.
And then that night after the operation, I got up.
They get you up to get up.
And the guy came in at, I couldn't sleep, but I was laying there.
And he said, it's time for you to get up.
And I said, well, that won't be a problem.
And I got up, and I just totally collapsed.
I just fell in his arms, and I couldn't move.
And then the nurse came in and said, what are you doing to the guy?
And he said, he belongs in the ICU.
And I said, I do not want to go to the ICU.
And she said, well, we're watching you because you came out of the ICU.
And then the surgeon was wonderful, and he came in and explained everything.
And I don't remember any of it.
Nothing.
I don't remember.
I know he came in, and my daughter was there, and my wife was there.
But I don't remember anything.
He said, so then I didn't know how I'm alive to forget.
Yeah, I just had this weird dream that I was flying like with my arms as wings,
and I couldn't land because it was all fogged in.
And then all of a sudden, the clouds parted, and I landed on my balcony in my old farmhouse.
And then I woke up, and that was it.
And I said, I landed.
And the anesthesiologist laughed.
He said, yes, you did.
You're back among the living, and we're going to make sure you stay here.
Yeah, so that 10 months later, you could enjoy this distinction.
Anyway, Victor, congratulations on that.
I checked today, Amazon, I think you're number 14 bestseller in the nation.
So folks, if you haven't gotten the book yet, The Counter-Revolution,
The Fall and Rise of Donald Trump and the MAGA Movement, do get it.
And you can get it off Victor's website.
There's a link there.
So, Victor, we are talking, recording on Saturday, September 19th.
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You read some of the comments.
I'll read one.
But the last two nights, Thursday night and Friday night, I was one night at the Brownstone Institute.
They actually meet in Connecticut, a monthly dinner.
And a few people came up to me.
They recognized me because they're fans of the podcast.
And they're just so concerned about you, so thrilled to be watching, getting your wisdom.
They watch every podcast.
They're Victor Davis Hanson in a few words.
So.
Lots of love.
And then last night, I was at Hillsdale's Blake Center, which is up in northern Connecticut.
I've never been there.
I've always wanted to go there.
Well, so we will.
Sure, they want you to go there, too.
My gosh.
The founder of the Northeast Subway, excuse me, not Subway, but Friendly's, a restaurant chain.
And the founder of that built a replica of Monticello.
And then when he died, he donated it to Hillsdale, which now.
And he uses that as a center for the Northeast, and they bring in speakers.
And UUIT was there last night and used this to bring this guy.
Yeah, I've known him a long time, and I like him a lot.
He's aces.
But so many people came up to me, "How's Victor doing?
Tell us, is he doing all right?"
Et cetera, et cetera.
So, wherever I go, lots of Victor love.
So, I do want to mention quickly, before we get on to Tucker Carlson, that John Kyle,
the former senator from Arizona, twice a senator, once elected.
Well, he was elected.
He was elected.
He was elected for two terms.
He'd been a congressman from Arizona, and then he did not seek reelection.
And then after John McCain died, Governor Doug Ducey appointed him to fill out the remainder
of McCain's term.
John Kyle came with us on National Review Cruise once.
I thought he was a great guy, great senator.
So, the rest in peace, please.
Now, Victor Tucker Carlson. Yeah, he represented the old Arizona. You know, the Goldwater-McCain era, where it was pretty much a red state.
That was before the influx of Californians and before the border was wide open.
And those two forces, a lot of illegal immigrants that are poor and needed a vastly expanded
social network, social welfare network, and then Californians who left California not
because of the ideology, but because the ideology didn't work, and they thought, "Well,
in Arizona that it's functional. We would like to be there and it will take us 20 years to ruin it.
So they're in the process of ruining it now. And now it's, I guess you'd call it a purple state.
Well, they have two Democrat senators and, you know, 10 years ago, they had two Republican
senators. And even when they had another, Dennis DeConcini, who I think is still alive,
by the way, was Democrat. But he was, he was an okay Democrat, I guess, at the time.
Yeah, he was the old fashioned Democrat. He was a Bill Clinton Democrat. The old Bill Clinton.
Yeah. Well, Victor, you wrote and talked about Hiroshima and it's,
I don't want to say the virtues of it, because that's what you're being accused of.
No, I never said the virtue.
No, I know. But why it made sense, why this was the right thing for America to do at the time.
And-
But now Tucker Carlson, it was a flippant line, but in one of his recent episodes,
took you on as sort of implying amongst other comments there that you and others were
genuflecting before nuclear bombing and it was Christian, it was evil, et cetera.
If I wasn't a podcaster, I would have sued him for libel, but I don't believe in suing people
for libel. But he said that, quote, Victor Hansen's talking about the glories of atomic,
you know-
Nuclear weapons.
I wish he would produce that quote. I dare him. I challenge you, Tucker. I want you to say Victor
Hansen said that nuclear weapons are either glorious or the glory, there's glories. And I
did not say that. I did two things. I wrote a column and on a short podcast, Victor Hansen,
for the Daily Signal, the shorter version in his own words, I made three arguments. And that was,
on the anniversary of the atomic, the two atomic blasts, I said, number one,
the left-wing criticism that we only did it to frighten the Russians is demonstrably false.
And it didn't frighten the Russians because they were already working on the bomb and had numerous
espionage agents in New Mexico, in the Manhattan Project, besides the Rosenbergs.
All before them. And they would indeed detonate a bomb almost four years to the day of Hiroshima.
Just four years and two or three, what, in August of 1949. Second, I said, nor did we just drop it
to say we have to justify the two to three billion dollar expense of the Manhattan. That
was the most expensive project, along with the B-29 project. We did not do that.
It might have been a collateral advantage, but we did not do that to scare the Russians. As I said,
we did not do it because we hated Japanese. They were yellow people. We wanted to kill as many of
them. We did it for one primary reasons, Tucker, as I made clear. We had invaded Okinawa on April
1st, 1945. We thought that after Iwo Jima and Tarawa and Peleliu, that it would be easy. We had
a crack six Marine division that was trained to attack Okinawa. We had a crack six Marine division
that was trained entirely for jungle, for island hopping warfare. And Okinawa turned out to be the
worst island campaign of the entire war. We lost 12,000 dead, 19 ships, 30-something damaged.
Including my namesake was killed there, Victor Hansen, on Okinawa on May 19th on Sugarloaf Hill.
And people looked at the size of the Okinawa ship and they said, oh, my God, we're going to die.
The Okinawa force, Japanese and impressed Okinawans, and the 50,000 dead, wounded and missing,
and extrapolated those casualty figures for Japan, where there was some 20 million civilians
that could be armed, but at least 7 million people in the military.
And there were 5,000 to 8,000 Kamikaze planes, which were like a cruise missile.
The Navy couldn't stop it. And we had mined the harbors of Japan. And we had
bombed 50%. And by the way, Tucker, the incendiary raids killed far more people
than did the two atomic blasts. So the decision was made, once the bomb was
viable, to use it to shock the Japanese into surrender, and therefore to avoid
a 1946 and 19, November 45 and April 46, two different invasions of the two islands
of Japan. It would have cost a million casualties. The second thing was
the Japanese army was fighting nonstop in China and in occupied Asia. And if you do the math of
how many people they, we think they killed, 16 million, that they were killing about
15,000 people a day. And they would not stop. Of all the armies, Tucker, in World War II,
for the losses that they suffered and the number of people they killed, they were the most
efficient killing machine. And they treated prisoners no different, much worse than even
the Germans did. Not in terms of quantity, but they were barbaric in the treatment of prisoners.
So the idea was, you've got to stop this killing machine, because the war has been over since May 9th
and 10th in Europe. There was another consideration. We had about 10,000 idle B-24s, B-17s, B-26s,
B-25s, and another 2,000 B-29s in the European theater, and a couple of thousand heavy Lancaster.
They were almost. They almost had the bomb load of a 20,000 pound B-29. Okay. So the idea under LeMay was to bring
Lancasters and some heavy bombers from Europe, take the newly acquired on roughly June 18th,
declared secure Okinawa, it was only 900 miles from most of the targets, and cut down the travel
time from the main airport to the main airport. And they were able to do that. The 2,000 B-29s and the Marianas would keep bombing, but he thought he could assemble 2,000 to 3,000
more bombers. And with 5,000 bombers bomb every single day with DuPont Napalm. And that would have
made the atomic bombs look like. As far as the theory. Well, we didn't get the. The Japanese
didn't. They would have. They didn't. They tried to. After the first bomb, they tried to have a
coup. They tried. The military government tried to stop the emperor from addressing the people
after. Even after Nagasaki. And, well, why didn't we drop one in the Tokyo Bay? Because we
only had one sure one that would. We could have before Christmas, and another one was in
development. Well, why did we. Why did we drop the uranium bomb in the. We didn't even know if
the uranium bomb would work. It was very different. We never made another one like it.
We made the parts for it, but we never dropped another one like little boy. It was so dangerous.
And once you. You had to connect it in flight. And once you did, if that Angola Gay had. If it had crashed, the bomb would have gone off anywhere. It could have gone off on the runway,
where a lot of B-29s didn't make it over the cliff, and especially in Tinian.
So, all of the things he said were not true.
What he said was, it was an evil weapon that good people. I think I said in the column,
it was an evil, bad thing that good people use to prevent bad people from doing greater harm.
It stopped the use of World. It stopped World War III in whatever we think about Armageddon,
and it was a terrible thing with a sword of Damocles hanging over all our heads.
Had we not done that, the Soviet Union would have had a. They would have had a monopoly on the bomb.
And that government under Stalin had killed 20 million people of its own
through the great famines, the trials, all of it.
In addition, China had gone communist in the early. Had gone nuclear.
So, then you had the two greatest mass murders really in history,
Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong with nuclear weapons.
And if we didn't have them, I guarantee you they would have used them to leverage us
and taken over Western Europe.
And most of Asia.
Is it. Was it a good thing that nuclear weapons were developed?
No, Albert Einstein was a pacifist, and he wrote a letter to Roosevelt and said,
the Germans are working on this type of fission, and it's very, very dangerous.
And like it or not, we're going to. It was very much like the AI argument.
If we don't do it, China's going to do it.
And we'd rather have the world in the hands of a consensual, transparent society
than the communist Chinese.
Then he said other things, though, and this is a larger commentary.
said, and we mentioned it, he had a guest who was an artist, not a scientist, not a mathematician,
not a physicist, a potter, but also painter, I suppose. And they were talking.
And Tucker and he said that algebra was worthless. And the potter at one point
claiming that he could make kilns and all sorts of things without algebraic equations.
Well, the science of, yes, I just had an overhang in my house for my carport and the people were
brilliant and they didn't make out algebraic equations. But I can tell you that the trusses
that they used and the knowledge that they were taught was based on people who knew the stress
loads of a four by eight versus a four by 10 versus a two by four, you name it. So originally
you have to have very, very good knowledge of algebra. And I think that's what he said.
Variables. And those variables were not created solely by the Jews. They were created
in the Arab world who probably inherited from the Iranian Phoenicians who probably had some
input from Greeks, especially in Alexandria, and Greeks had it from Egypt.
And more importantly, it is essential for modern physics. And anybody who says that the goy,
it was a term, it was used against the goy as an anti-Semite, because that is entirely preposterous.
And when Tucker says that there was a satanic force that made the bombs, would he identify that?
Does he think Albert Einstein was satanic? Does he think FDR was satanic? Does he think
Harry Truman was satanic? I don't know. Einstein was Jewish. Maybe he does think that.
Maybe he does. But the point is, it's a tragic thing because Tucker's very intelligent.
He had a very successful career. I had watched him earlier in his bowtie days,
and he had come to Hoover. I talked to him at the Hoover Institution when he was invited to speak.
He had eccentric views on some topics. I would call them libertarian. But once he inherited that
8 o'clock p.m. slot, he did very well. But he had filters. And what do I mean by that? If you got
talking points at 10 in the morning to comment on, sometimes, and it happens to everybody,
at 2 o'clock they would be irrelevant. Either the news cycle had changed or the
producers had thought that was too controversial. But after he was dismissed for suggesting
that the election of 2020, and I know this because I was on his show,
and when Stanford University went after me for being on his show, I had a transcript of every,
they made a transcript of every single appearance I made between January 6th,
and I think it was March 1st when the faculty senate met. And I think there was 15 or 16 of
them. And I read the transcripts. And I had said the real voting irregularities were done by
the state legislature. And I had said that the state legislature had changed the voting laws in
key states with funded legal groups on the left that had, and the net effect of those changes were
that a 30% mail-in early balloting, 70% in person under the guise of COVID had completely flipped.
And 70% of the electorate was not voting on election day. And this was such a new concept.
There were no requirements for IDs or anything essentially to get a mail-in ballot.
But he went and was talking about the Dominion machines, which I don't think had a role
at all. And they fired him on a Friday afternoon. I thought that was very irregular. I thought
because he had been their leading anchor, they might've brought him in. They might've explained
the situation, give him a trial, put him out for two weeks. So I can, I was sympathetic to him.
But at some point he deviated from his prior, I don't know what the word is, his prior
political atmosphere. And so he had been very worried about radical Islam. He had been very
worried about plunging demography. And gradually two things became more common. One was not just
that Ukraine couldn't win. A lot of people thought that they won't be able to win a convention. The
other thing was that they were not going to win it. They were going to have a victory to regain all of their
territory. But most people felt that there should have been a negotiated settlement, but almost
nobody feels that the Russians did not start the war really. I mean, there, you can say there was
disagreements about the border and the Russians were worried and we were pushing NATO and that's
all true, but very few people sided with the Russians and wanted to completely cut off the
Ukrainians and let them be overrun. I think Tucker did. That was a big change. He had Douglas McGregor
on a lot and he had predicted that Russia, remember when they tried to take Kiev, that it
would be over in a week or two. And then the second thing is gradually his attitude toward
radical Islam changed. And finally he got in increments where he is today, where he has basically
said that he doesn't like Mike Rogers at all and that Al Saeed is closer to Trumpism than is Mike
Rogers. That is completely demonstrably false. Victor, I have to read something if you don't
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Trump. Yes. After the war, there were Japanese militarists in the Tojo military government,
and there was extensive interviews.
To find out what the Japanese strategy was if we had not dropped the bomb. And they said
they were going to defend Japan in the fashion they had defended Okinawa with furious kamikaze
with much more planes and almost no distance. So that was very important that they would be able
much easier to hit the targets because they would be close off the shore of Japan. They
had to be able to hit the targets. So that was one way. And then the second thing they said is they
were prepared to lose 15 to 20 million Japanese. They thought that was going to be a realistic
effort. And they thought they were going to win. They thought that the island would be fortified.
They would have civilian militia. They would have the 7 million man Japanese army there.
They still had plenty of fuel, plenty of bombs, plenty of planes. And that once the Americans set
foot and they slaughtered them, they would have the 7 million man Japanese army there.
They would. And they would save three quarters of their population. They would lose 20, but that was an acceptable 20 million. That was an acceptable loss. And as I said earlier there, I would ask Tucker to find one cable, one diplomatic exchange where the American government said, we have to drop this bomb to show the Soviets that we have a monopoly so we can tell them what to do.
And the reason that they didn't do that is not necessarily because we were humane and the Soviets weren't, although we were in comparison, but they knew, as I said earlier, that that monopoly was not going to last, number one, and they did not have an arsenal.
It would have taken into 1946 to get three or four more bombs. And they were afraid that if they had threatened the Soviets and had actually used the bomb or were threatening.
And four years or three years, they didn't know exactly when, but they knew it was proximate. The Soviets would remember that and retaliate in kind. And they might have been able to make more bombs than we did.
So it gets back to when he had Daryl Cooper on. Remember the historian? He said he was the most authoritative person on World War II today. He's a podcaster. He's never written a single word that's published on World War II.
And I was asked to write about it and do a interview with Andrew Roberts, who wrote a book on World War II, and I wrote a book on World War II, and Neil Ferguson did.
For the free press, right?
I wrote an article as well, but this was for Peter Robinson.
Oh, right. Sure. Common knowledge.
Everything that he said, that we bombed, firebombed the Black Forest to kill people. No, we fought.
The British tried doing it as an experiment to see if they could stop German depots and maybe even stop their timber supply, and it was a complete failure, and it fizzled after a few weeks.
Churchill was a terrorist. No, Churchill was not a terrorist.
Churchill alone tried to, all during the late 30s, he did two things. He tried to build up British air power to protect the island and naval power.
And he wasn't.
He was not against people negotiating early on with Hitler.
But once he saw Stanley Baldwin and then Neville Chamberlain trusting Hitler, and he did not treat Neville Chamberlain terribly, as this guy implied.
He treated them very well. He brought him into his cabinet.
Stanley Baldwin, yes, he said it would have been better if he had never lived.
I could go through this, and that was not, they didn't initiate firebombing.
They did not.
They did not.
The British did not do that.
The Germans initiated mass-scale bombing of civilians in Warsaw, Poland, from the first week on in the war.
They bombed the interior core of Rotterdam and killed thousands.
They bombed Coventry.
They bombed London civilians.
And then the British started to develop sophisticated magnesium incendiaries and went back at them at Hamburg.
And Cologne and eventually Dresden.
So, but what I'm getting at is he just throws this stuff out to get clicks.
And then he says, well, there were four million people died in the Ukraine when the Russians, the Germans invaded.
But it was all because the Germans were trying to do so much to help prisoners.
But they were just overwhelmed.
They didn't have, they were overwhelmed.
But he forgets that Mr.
Backe, the German, he was in the, it gave him an honorific title.
He had something called the Hunger Plan.
And Goering had tasked him to write it out.
And it basically said, when we go into the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, we're going to do two things.
We're going to kill Jews.
And more importantly, we're going to take all their food and ship it back to Germany.
And they will have millions die.
And that will be the purpose.
It was called the Hunger Program.
And they did that.
And they would have done more if the Soviets hadn't evacuated some of the food.
But they did kill four million people in Ukraine.
Prisoners, Jews, and civilians.
And it was all deliberate.
And if you think that wasn't widely known, if you go look at Halder's diary.
And Halder was the head of the Wehrmacht, chief of staff.
He wrote and said, it's inevitable that there's going to be millions.
Millions of Russians that die.
And that is anticipated.
In other words, he knew it was going to happen.
He approved of it.
And then to get somebody on there and say, well, you know, Hitler was just kind of an oversight.
They didn't really plan well.
They didn't think they were going to be that successful.
And then to attack the British when they were the only country of the six major belligerents that went to war,
not because they were attacked.
Or invaded, but on behalf of Poland.
They were the only country that started the first day of the war, September 1 and 2, 1939.
And they went all the way to the end at August 1945.
And they knew that they could not sustain the war effort.
And they had borrowed so much money that the empire was destroyed after the war.
They were going to have to give it up.
They were going to be a second-rate power.
The United States was going to take over.
And yet they willingly were.
And they were the only major power on the Allied side from September 1, 1939, all the way to January 22nd, 21st and 22nd.
June, excuse me, June 21st and 22nd, 1941, when the Germans invaded Russia.
We were not in the war.
The Russians were absolutely helping the Third Reich.
It was only Britain by itself.
It was only Britain by itself with its empire, the Canadians, the Australians, the New Zealanders, etc.
And to say that he was a terrorist and that it wasn't Hitler's fault and Hitler wanted to make peace.
Hitler wanted to make peace when he controlled all of Europe, the EU today, which he did by early 1941, mid-1941.
And then he was willing to do it on his terms.
He did it.
And after he took France, he said, well, I'll make it.
In other words, after I take all these countries and I absorbed all of Europe, I'm willing to negotiate on my terms, which is you're all going to be subordinate to us.
And people said, no, we're going to free countries that you took.
So I don't know why.
I don't know the impetus around that, but it has something to do.
There is a common thread that he does not, that there's anger at contemporary Israel and by association, people who support Israel and then by association.
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Victor, let's wrap up with Tucker and nukes and with your take on his commentary on Trump.
I think it would be good to talk about the economy and to talk about the holdout, the quote-unquote holdout juror and how he's at the center of a new battlefront in the culture war.
But your take here final on Tucker and Trump and allegations there.
Well, he's made so many allegations against Trump, and now he's after suggesting that the bombs were inspired.
or created or were the dreams of a Satan
force. I don't know if he means a supernational force or what, an inanimate force, the devil,
I don't know. But he said that Donald Trump is threatening to use them, and we're close to using
it. Donald Trump has had two clear positions on nuclear weapons. Number one, we should never use
them. And he has been, second of all, I should say he's had three positions. No country with
nuclear weapons shall threaten the United States. No one. And two, we would not want to use nuclear
weapons preemptively or unless we were attacked. And three, the only way that we can, and he's
actually called for the major nations to have conferences to lower the threshold,
of nuclear weapons use and to reduce their stockpiles. We have about 6,000 weapons. The
Russians have somewhere about the same, 6,500. And China has got about 500, and it's building,
I think, two or three a month. And so his point was, we have to upgrade our nuclear stockpile
of weapons, or we won't be quiet.
And we will have no credibility as China builds new and more deadly weapons, next-generation
atomic weapons. And we will have no credibility. And the only person in the world right now who's
threatening to use nuclear weapons and has done so repeatedly is Russia. Putin and all of his
ministers have mouthed that. They have threatened, I shouldn't say just Russia. There's only two
countries, three countries, that have threatened to use nuclear weapons. And they have threatened
two countries. Russia has threatened Great Britain. If they don't watch out, they might be the object
of a nuclear attack. Through various state media, through ministers, through generals, they have
said that they might use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine. China has cut a video and released it
showing a Chinese nuclear attack on Japan. Kim Jong-un threatened the West Coast,
the United States, with nuclear weapons. Those are the three, Tucker. You didn't mention them.
There's demonstrable. Donald Trump has never said, I'm going to. He said in retaliation,
might have a bigger button than yours for deterrence. But that was a response. And almost
immediately, they stopped threatening the United States. And Donald Trump being Donald Trump and
art of the deal, he became a negotiator with Kim Jong-un. And now Kim Jong-un, now that he is in. Kim Jong-un has not threatened the United States with nuclear weapons. And Russia has not threatened
us with nuclear weapons. And China has not threatened. And the reason that they threaten
other nations is that. And not us is because Donald Trump is trying to warn them that we have
a deterrent. And therefore, we should keep the peace. That's the extent of his commentary on
nuclear weapons. And if he wanted to use them, there is pickaxe. There is a mountain. And our bunker buster bombs would have to have. We would have to have a
mission much more complex than June of last year. We would have to have our entire fleet of B-2s
come in and hit the same place with a bunker buster every three minutes or something. And
they would know we were coming. And the Chinese have probably resupplied some of their missiles.
And it would not be a cakewalk. But we could get by. We could come through,
heaven forbid, to even think of it and drop maybe, I don't know, 100 kiloton bomb right on there.
And that would probably solve. But why would we do that, Tucker? Because we would be using
a nuclear weapon to stop someone else from. And that is absurd. So that has been ruled out.
And rightly so. Trump has never said that he wants to use a nuclear weapon to get rid of
the nuclear weapons that are buried in the mountain, the nuclear material. And so I don't
know why he does this.
Except one thing we try not to do is use this podcast in the way that a lot of the left does
and the way a lot of the right is. And it's sort of. I could summarize it like this.
Well, I'm just throwing it out there, Jack. I'm just throwing it out there.
I think that Charlie Kirk, his microphone, there's somebody, the Mossad people, they hit
the microphone. That was the point. They shot a bullet, hit the microphone, it exploded,
and that killed Charlie Kirk. It was a Russian. Just saying.
I'm just saying. I mean, I'm not going to be on record. I'm just throwing it out there
for you to think. So I'm just saying that Victor Hansen, you know, I'm just saying
that he thinks nuclear weapons are glorious. He said they're glorious. I'm just saying.
I mean, he didn't quite say that, but that's the modus operandi. And the same thing about
Trump. I'm just saying that he's talked about nuclear weapons and, you know, he thinks they're
great. But, you know, I'm just throwing it out there.
Or the other, where Nick Fuentes, yeah, whatever day of the month that was, special day for
Stalin's birthday. And Tucker's like, oh, that's interesting.
Yeah. And the irony is somebody sent me a clip of him. They are at each other's throats
now, Nick Fuentes and Tucker, because of the video that this. That I saw. And then I looked at another one. Nick Fuentes believes that Tucker is
a disgrace to the white supremacist paleo-right view because Fuentes, I think, is arguing
that he has said lunatic things about algebra and spirits attacking them in his bed. And
these are not credible. And they weaken that.
That voice. And then, therefore, people will weaken the entire critique of Israel and the
Jews because someone is as ill-informed and conspiratorial as Tucker, as opposed to Nick
Fuentes, he says. So they are at each other's throats right now, but not because Tucker
has condemned the anti-Semitic and anti-Israeli arguments of Nick Fuentes. That didn't
bother him at all. He agreed it was that, probably. I don't know. But he allowed him
a platform, and he didn't question them. He did question, as I said, Tom Cruise.
Ted Cruz.
Ted Cruz, a Republican, very conservative Republican. He tried to stump him. He said,
you don't know the population of Iran, ha-ha. But he didn't use that mode of questioning
and cross-examination with Nick Fuentes. Well, Victor, before we take a break, why don't you give us
your take on general good news about income growth in America, the unemployment rate job
creation. Okay, gas is still high, but that's not all that the economy is, the price of the pump.
What's your take on the recent economic trends? Well, it's very positive, and it goes something
like this.
Inflation is still about 3%, but it was average 5.1 under Biden, and that's because gas
is at $5. And here in California, we don't notice it, because everybody
panics when it gets to $4.50. That's low in California in normal time. Remember, we have
the fourth largest reserves of oil in the United States, fourth or fifth. Monterey shale formation,
we have it offshore, and we don't have it in the United States. So, we don't have it in the United
States. We don't have it in the United States. So, we don't
use it, most of it. We import oil from Saudi Arabia, and we refine it, but we're not going
to be able to refine much, because we're kicking out two of our refiners. And then we import
gasoline, I think from the Caribbean and from Japan now. So, we're used to this, but the point
I'm making is, even with high gas, we haven't had the inflationary rate of the Biden administration.
The Wall Street, which,
which does now affect a lot of people in their 401ks, has been historically high, record high.
Labor participation is strong. GDP, per capita GDP is $87,000. I suggest everybody look at the
per capita GDP of Canada and the EU and China, and it's several thousand dollars less. Like,
in the case of Canada, it's $7,000 less. In the case of Canada, it's $7,000 less. In the case of
Canada, I think it's about over $30,000. In Europe, it's over $20,000 on average. And in China,
it's probably over $60,000 or more. If you look at the poverty rate, we're at the all-time lows
in poverty rate in the United States. We've never had this lower, this fewer number of people
below the poverty rate. It is a record. If you look at the poverty rate in the United States,
look at income, as I said, it is a record high. If you look at foreign investment,
and Trump will be off, but even the most
pessimistic view will set a record, maybe $8 to $10 trillion, not $20 or $19 or $15.
If you look at oil and gas production, we are at an all-time high. It's a legitimate criticism to
say if we're self-supporting in gas and oil, why do we charge the Americans the world price of it?
There's a reason, but I don't want to get into the economics of it because it's Byzantine, but
we are completely self-supporting. We import some oil and we export some oil, but it evens out in
natural gas and oil imports. If you look at, as I said again, eight to nine of the top companies
by market capitalization are downloaded in digital media, in AI, in bioengineering,
in genetic engineering, in software, the United States either has eight or nine of the
top companies. The United States either has eight or nine of the top companies.
The United States either has eight or nine of the top companies in the world. So the economy is
booming. What it hasn't done, it hasn't done two things. It came in with 21% leap in prices
over the Biden administration, almost 21%. And if you look at staples, they were insurance,
rent, housing, food, cars, major appliances, the thing that people have to have. They
had gone up almost 30%. And Donald Trump said that we're going to cure that. Most people thought he
was going to reduce prices back to where he left office in 2021 in January. That's impossible.
So did Donald Trump reduce the Biden inflation? No. But he radically reduced the rate of inflation
so that the rate of wage increases was. People were not losing their purchasing power. And we'll see how this goes. The only reason. And by the way, this is incredible to think that the inflation rate is going to be around 3%
when gas has gone up $1.50 and more a gallon. And yet something must be going down because you
would think that if gas has gone up 50% in price, that you would have an enormous inflation rate.
Like what I grew up with, 8%, 10%, 12%, 15%, but you haven't. And by the way,
Donald Trump. The left said that Kevin Walsh, who was a colleague of mine at Hoover,
was going to be a puppet. And the first thing he was going to do was go do what
the Federal Reserve did for Obama and for Biden.
Lower interest rates. Remember, they lowered interest rates right before the election,
Biden. Jerome Powell did. And he didn't do that. He raised interest rates. So he is an independent
Federal Reserve chairman. And so Trump got furious about that because of this good economic
news I just related. And I think that Kevin Walsh, he raised it moderately. He'll look at the interest
rates. If there's no interest rates, he'll raise it moderately. And he'll raise it moderately. And
if there's no further inflation, if the Iran war ends, gas plumbs, he will give a big rate cut.
But the economy is very, very strong. And the only criticism I have is I think
the administration should get together in a cabinet close to the media. And Donald Trump
should say this, neither you nor I are going to talk about the Kennedy senator,
nor are you and I are going to talk about the building project,
on the East. We're going to refurbish and remodel the Kennedy center. We're going to do the East,
but we're not going to talk about it. We're not going to talk about the reflecting pool.
We're not going to talk about anything. Each of you, according to your cabinets,
spectrum of responsibility is going to talk about the unemployment rate, the new jobs,
161,000 new jobs, the cut of 400,000 government jobs,
and what we plan to do to reduce the budget in the next two years, the budget deficit
and our new initiatives. But we're not going to get distracted. We can talk about the dangers of
this radical Islamist socialist democratic party. But the main emphasis is we're going to talk about
all this good economic news and what's going to be even better when the war is going to be over
shortly. And I think they'll win.
I don't mind Trump, uh, being distracted by putting up on truth social that Victor
Dave Sandson's book is number one. But anyway, well, I, I, I thought to myself,
thank you for saying that the book is number one, but I'm more worried about you than I am my book.
I, I want you to do what you think is best to help the country. And if you think the book will give you,
the book does talk about his, uh, the last chapter is talking about what he's trying to do
economically and Doge and wall street and deregulation. So the book is the fall, but it's
also the rise of, and the second half of the book is on the campaign of 2024, why he won, how he won,
and then how we hit the ground ground running. And it has an irony about the whole book.
There's one, um, theme.
As bad as it was for him to go through that,
the steel dossier, the laptop farce, the five criminal and civil suits, the debanking,
the deballity and the raid on Mar-a-Lago, all of that horrific lawfare. It did give
the people a glimpse of what the left does when it's in power,
how it warps the law and goes after, destroy people.
And it did show you,
that Biden was never in control of his faculties. I, I go through that in the book and that he,
that agenda came from former Obama people who use this wax and effigy to push through the most far
left agenda since 1933. And then I did say in the book and that he was able to show the American
people because he was out of office, this is who they are.
This is what they do to the border. 10,000 illegals a day. And I have learned that next time I'm in office,
they're not going to be a Rex Tillerson or Steve Mnuchin or Jim Mattis, whom I know and like, but was not on the MAGA or John Bolton.
We're going to get people who compete with me to enact the, not oppose, not obstruct the MAGA agenda.
And we're not going to treat the symptoms.
We're going to treat the causes of progressive power.
And that's, that only came because he was tragically defeated.
And that was a good thing.
I think in some, in retrospect, because it gave him breathing space to regroup and let the country see, was not, was it good for, some of you are going to say, well, Victor, it wasn't good for the country.
Yes, we, but we did survive, but it was not good for the country.
The border will take 10 years to, the people who came in.
Yeah.
The border will take 10 years to find.
To leech them out.
Right.
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Victor, before, I just want to mention one thing.
Xi, the head commie of Communist China, is
coming to America. There will be a steak dinner for him. And I'll call him
my friend um jimmy lie who's still in prison in china um rotting he's 78 he's ill and i would
hope the president uh president uh trump would make another i'm sure he's gonna make an effort
yeah so i don't see china letting him go because no boy would that be some kind of a monumental
losing uh face but all right now to further torture our listeners of the sound of my voice
let me raise three things related to the clancy situation victor and then please your commentary
the first is uh the jury for person and i think everybody has seen this ronnie carlson she went
on boston local television to talk about this holdout juror and that juror's name by the way
is michael uh deseronville
and that that supposedly deseronville had quote admitted he had reasonable doubt
and other jurors also alleged that deseronville during the jury deliberations was dismissive of
their arguments okay that's one thing the second thing um is that paula devlin who was another
a juror she was one of the three that appeared on i think it was cbs uh
morning show she revealed i'm reading here from red an article in red state she revealed that
several jurors during the jury deliberations planned to do a joint interview about the clancy
case after the trial quote none of us thought that we were going to walk out of the courthouse
and have that happen devlin said you know we thought that maybe we would do one interview
together because we really wanted to talk about postpartum we really wanted to get that conversation
going so what big stink of activism and the final thing here is deseronville actually comes out and
he's in public now and he's released a statement i didn't have any doubts as i tried to explain
different possible theories during deliberation i kept getting cut off as if i had doubts based on
the evidence present based on all the physical evidence key witnesses and what the prosecution
presents i thought it was enough proof that she clancy knew exactly what she was doing and planned
so we have the forces of femor feminism and conformism uh taking this case and trying to
exploit this case even while the case was still going on victor and we have a man who's you know
been outed initially maligned but now coming to his his own defense and saying what really happened
in that courtroom
any thoughts on all of this there's a lot to um there's a lot to unpack that use that term
i i think all of us look at the left now and from what we can it's madness from what we can
decipher there is these intersectionality charts and you have the factors that are put into it
i think all of you i'd like have a i have a request from my listeners
would you go to your grock or chat or claude ai and then type would you please factor in the
following intersectionalities and tell us which one based on data reigns supreme which is second
radical feminism radical white liberal feminism radical white female liberalism i should say
blackness hispanic hispanicness asianness gayness and i'm not putting them in descending order i'm
just throwing it yeah native americanist native americanism trans that would be enough and sort
out for east which one trumps the other because i guess what happened was these very affluent
middle upper middle class white women
identify as blackness blackness blackness Hispanic Hispanicness Asianness gayness and i'm not putting them in descending order i'm just throwing it yeah native Americanist Native Americanism trans that would be enough and sort out for each which one trumps the other because i guess what happened was these very affluent middle upper middle class white women
identified of course with lindsay clancy and felt she had been a victim as one of them said she suffered enough after all she lost her children victor goes outside and shoots his neighbor well he suffered enough he no longer has a neighbor this is i mean it got absurd but apparently that trumps in the intersectionality a oh and immigrants too especially illegal immigrants he he was a
huffer he was black and he was an immigrant i don't know if he had been a black female illegal immigrant legal or illegal that would have put him give him a little bit more protection i do think if he had been black gay and immigrant and illegal he might have been able to challenge being a white feminist
he lived can i add he was a a practicing catholic so that is also yes that's another good thing against him
yeah we can put anti-catholicism and anti-semitism is also intersectionality pluses and then just have the ai sort out which trumps which and have them ranked but it seems to me that white liberal women and feminism trumps almost everything they will and you could see that when gail king was interviewing one of the jurors and she said
Kind of like, was there any people of color?
No.
Was there any men?
Well, there was three, and we had the holdout.
Was there any black men?
No.
Was the holdout black?
Yes, he was.
Well, I've got to pause at that.
I got to, you know, she's going, tell me which one gets priority.
I thought that black men and black people in general had more priority than white feminism
in this intersectionality calculus, and now I'm told that we have been subjugated and
we're down on the intersectionality privilege thing, and white feminist liberalism will
actually promote a murder over a black man's views.
They didn't just have a disagreement with him.
They tried to dox him.
They demonized him.
They suggested he was, I almost thought he was a Haitian refugee, wasn't he, Jack?
I almost thought they were going to say, and he eats cats, too.
J.D. Vance told us he did.
You know what I'm saying?
So that's one thing.
The other thing is, if you factor into the equation, we talked about that once, the simultaneous
Massachusetts, basically partial birth abortion, green lighting, that a baby can be in the
birth canal and open his eyes and see the world and be killed with impunity.
And you look at what left-wing Canada is doing with 5.1% of all deaths being what?
Assisted suicide, they call euthanasia.
The government helps you murder somebody or kill them, kill themselves.
And you look at the abortion rate and you look at the declining fertility rate, I would
almost say there's almost a death cult among the left, especially left-wing feminism.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's a celebration.
It's an anti-humanistic.
And it's almost like abortion is a sacrament.
It is.
And missing entirely from this dialogue was, what would it be like to be a little baby,
and they feel and they know, and have this nurturing mother put this band around its
neck and kill it, and then the next young kid see that and look at her, and then she
do that.
And then the third child says, "I'm next."
This is something out of the darkest mind of something out of the Third Reich or something.
And then to say-
I think that actually happened, Victor.
I think my wife was telling me, I think she killed one of the kids and that other child
saw it and ran and meanwhile, she made a phone call and then she went back to-
Yeah, I think so too.
Can you imagine the terror in that child?
And it's. And then to say that she's suffering.
She suffered enough because she doesn't have the people that she murdered.
And they don't use, I was knowing, they always use the word kill.
They never use the word murder.
And I guess that's because she hasn't been convicted of murder, but most Americans, if
you look at the poll, it says open and shut case.
And I guess the idea is we're going to use her as a feminist symbol because, you know,
we kind of ran out of. You know, we ran out of the trans issue.
It's kind of, there's been too many trans shooters and we've got too many weird trans
dancers that people turn off and the Tallarico thing, it didn't work as well as we thought
it would by ginning that up and the no kings thing, we can't resurrect and bombing a Tesla
dealership.
Okay.
We did it.
It's over with.
Elon Musk has been demonized.
Nobody shot him.
Nobody killed him yet.
So we've got to go to something else.
And maybe we can latch on to two things that she is a cause celeb.
She's a feminist hero.
She shows that you can defy the male medical establishment.
who prescribes drugs with insensitivity to postpartum depression that we suffer,
and then an insensitive, callous husband who doesn't listen to her plight
and is culpable as if he did it himself.
And then the other, of course, is AI.
The midterms are coming up.
This gets a low-level techie to say that the AI captains of industry
are going to destroy the world.
And so right before the midterms, we're now hearing from these people.
And then, of course, you say to them,
if you're going to destroy the world and you are worried about it,
why do you fight legal jeopardy laws that says that if you're open AI or chat,
whatever your company is, if it causes damage,
you are legally liable for the people who used it.
You were fighting that, but why would you fight it?
If you want greater responsibility,
you want greater regulation, wouldn't that be what you want?
And so that is ginned up.
And as I said to Sam the other day,
it just reminds me so much of 1968.
Nixon was running for office, and it was very close,
and he was the prince of darkness.
They did hate him, everybody, as much as they hate Trump in 68.
Tricky Dicky was back.
And so they dreamed up the population bomb, 1968.
Paul Ehrlich, Stanford professor, says that we're all going to be dead in 10 years
by the Malthusian overpopulation trap.
So all of you go out and adopt one baby and have one, or better yet, have none.
And we destroyed the fertility rate.
And then Reagan was running for office and re-election in 84,
and he was going to win against the weak Mondale.
And they got to go, what are we going to do?
What are we going to do?
We've already done the population.
Ah, I know what we're going to do.
Nuclear winner.
Nuclear winner.
He's going to put Pershing missiles.
He's going to counter the Soviet short-range missiles in Europe,
and it's going to be a nuclear winner.
Hollywood, can you make the movie the day after about what it's like to see
mushrooms all over the Kansas countryside as America is smothered in?
Who are we going to get?
We've already used Paul Ehrlich.
I know, Carl Sagan.
Everybody loves Carl Sagan.
Carl, go barnstorm the country.
Wrote a book about nuclear winner.
The dust that we're all going to freeze to death and we'll die of starvation.
And they made a movie.
100,000 people watched it.
And then they thought, oh, wow.
What?
What are we going to do now?
It's 1992.
Bill Clinton's in a tough race.
I know.
It's no longer the population bomb.
It's no longer ecology.
It's radical environmentalism.
It's the internal combustion engine.
Al, what are we going to do?
Gore?
Oh, I have a book.
We'll have a 1992 campaign thing called Earth in the Balance.
We're all going to be dead because we didn't know that the real pollution is not industrial smoke.
It is.
Heat from fossil fuels.
We only have 10 or 12 years and we're either going to be.
And he said, you know, the problem with global warming is that it's just one dimension.
But what if it rains too much?
Well, they said, wait a minute.
Is it drought or is it rain?
It's both.
Well, it is.
How about hurricanes?
Well, we can say seas that are too calm.
Yeah, that's right.
So hot.
And cold, snow and drought.
Anything.
Yes, we'll call it if it's extreme.
We'll call it climate chaos.
And that was what we heard in 92.
And then, of course, there was the COVID lockdowns and everybody, Anthony Fauci and the left thought Donald Trump is president.
He's got this vaccination.
It might.
But we'll just say that everybody is susceptible to dying, not just older people or middle aged people.
Let's shut down the entire economy.
Let's let's arrest people for walking outside without a mask unless you're Nancy Pelosi or Gavin Newsom, etc.
And then that kind of work.
But then they thought we need insurance.
George Floyd, career felon, high on drugs, suffering from a recent COVID bout, passing counterfeit cash and a person of colors.
store, and resisting arrest. And he died with Derek Chauvin put a knee to keep him on the ground,
and he said he couldn't breathe. And we can riot, and we can say that blacks are inordinately shot
unarmed by whites, even though, as Roland Fryer pointed out, and the Washington Post,
in terms of people come in contact with the police, that's not true. And we will get BLM,
and we will just, gosh, we can get rid of the SAT finally, and we can get three or 400,000 DEI
hires, and we can change all the meritocracy rules and get rid of them. And that's what
happened. So what I'm getting at is we go, and the Me Too cycle drama, remember that, Jack?
You know, we started out with Harvey Weinstein was doing the casting couch,
trying to coerce sex.
From young, beautiful actresses to give them good roles, and he probably kept his word because he
wanted to keep doing it. And it was terrible, and everybody was worried, and we all looked at
rape, and that was good. And then all of a sudden, Al Franken put his hand near a breast of a,
get rid of him, get rid of him out of the Senate, defy the world. Garrison Keillor put his hand on
the back of a woman, just ban everything he ever did and kick him off NPR. And they had
a hundred and seventy million dollars, and they had a hundred and seventy million dollars,
million males going. Thirty-one years ago, when I went on a date, did I kiss her a little too hard?
When I hired that young, attractive aide, did I actually hug her? Is that going to be an IED
that'll go off? It was complete McCarthy paranoia. And then all of a sudden, what ended it?
Joe Biden. Joe Biden was nominated to save the Democratic Party in 2020 from Bernie's
Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, and the crazy people. And they said,
uh-oh, he's handsy. Women are coming out. He, Tara Reade, says she was sexually assaulted.
Oh, there's no evidence. There's no evidence. And then Bill Clinton, they went after. And Bill
Clinton, he's a wonderful post-president emeritus. Me too is done. It is done.
Jump. And that's what happens. What I'm getting at is they cook up all these
hysterias in campaign years or right at the beginning of campaigns to distract from the fact
that nobody wants their message. And they can only win when they frighten people into the end of
days. We're all surrounded by rapists. We can't breathe. We have nuclear dust. There's too many
people. There's no food left. That's how they do it. Food deserts. It's boiling. AOC, we can't have
food. We won't be here. She's getting close to her deadline, too.
Hey, Victor, you know, back on the intersectionality of this, again, this-
Did you run an AI on that already, Jack?
No, I did not. But Michael Deseronville is a bad black man because of it. But over the last
10, 15 years, you mentioned before George Floyd. We had Freddie Gray. We had Michael Brown.
Bad dudes. And yet they are sacrosanct to the left culture.
Yes. And we had the peripheral. Yeah, we had Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown. We had Juicy
Smollett. But we also had, going way back, the Tawana Brawley case, the Duke lacrosse fiasco,
the Covington kids made up story. We had the race car drivers. We had
a driver who saw a garage rope and said it was a noose.
FBI had a team to cover that.
And then we had the recent spate of supposed white lynchers that were going around and lynching
black women and men. And we found out that, A, they were either suicides or the person who was
murdered was killed by another black person. Was there an apology? No. So does anybody
believe those hysterias? No. And after about 15 of them, I didn't even get through the whole
corpus of them. And what was the purpose of all that? The purpose of all that was do not ever,
ever, ever question DEI. Do not do it because we can find case after case of white people
killing black people. And do not ever question that interracial crime is six to seven times
to eight times more black on white than white on black. Because if you're Roland Fryer and you find
out the info is false, you're going to lose your job. You're going to get rid of you. And do not
dare suggest that 2.5% of the population commit 50% of the violent assaults or we're going to
spring a Just Juicy on you or a La Crosse on you. But the problem is that we're saturated now. You
It costs its currency.
It's like inflation when you print too many dollar bills
the currency is worth it. If you have too many fake racial stunts, then they don't mean anything
anymore. Well, Victor, we've come to about the end here. There are more topics, and you and I
are going to record again, and we'll pick some of these up when we do that next. But I appreciate
all the wisdom you shared. I have two things to convey, one comment and one little story. I
mentioned I was at Hillsdale's Blake Center yesterday, Friday the 18th, and I have to
recount this little story. Two people there, I'll just say their first names, Jay and Lois,
and they saw me, and of course they were like, are you that? Yeah, et cetera. Love you. And then
Jay starts telling me about this. They live in Connecticut. This trip they took to California,
and they're going here and there, and I mentioned something about the Central Valley, and she said,
yeah, we went by. So they went by with their two kids, went by your house. I don't know how they
found out where your house was. I parked it in front, and then they saw you come out, and the
kids said, there he is. But they lost their nerve, and they sped off. I don't know why they sped off.
I told them I was going to tell that story. I feel bad.
God knows how many times a week, Victor. I had a very sad letter from somebody
I had a sad letter peeking through your windows. Not that they peeked through your windows. So that
was that. But the night before, Brownstone ran at this lovely lady, and she wrote me a note. She
wanted to give it to me to convey to you. So here, I will read it. She says, for VDH, since I ran into
Jack at a Brownstone event, I thought, why not write a thank you note to you, Victor? So if you
will, allow me to please accept my profound gratitude for what you offer the world. Truth,
history, humor, real life stories, and open-hearted acceptance of all people. I was raised by a single
mom in Connecticut who was a staunch liberal, but we had friends who were Republican. My mom saw
humanity in all. I've drifted to the right, but my mom would love me anyway, and she would be proud
of me. You are an incredible human, and every week, you are the most important person in the world.
You offer deeper meaning in life. In all the chaos and confusion, when I hear your voice, I feel calm,
and I feel hope. Carry on gratefully. This is from Honey, who's from Massachusetts. That's quite
touching. Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you, Honey, and Jay, and Lois.
And there are thousands of comments. We'll read some at the end of the next show. I want to thank
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the wisdom you shared today. And thanks, folks, for watching and listening. And we will be back
soon with another episode of Victor Davis Hanson in his own words. Bye-bye. And thank you, everybody,
for listening. And I just want to add, last note, I felt really bad. I felt really bad when
a couple came from Japan and wrote me a nice letter in Japanese and put it in my mailbox.
I thought, if you came all the way from Japan, you should have knocked on the door.
And I would have talked to you. So you never know who's going to show up. But
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Victor Davis Hanson defends the truth and historical integrity, criticizing Tucker Carlson’s misleading and conspiratorial claims about nuclear weapons and Trump.
Hanson argues that the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were a necessary military decision to end a devastating war, not a moral triumph, and refutes claims of religious or satanic inspiration.
Hanson highlights the role of intersectionality in shaping public discourse, noting how affluent white liberal women often dominate feminist narratives and marginalize marginalized voices in cases like the Lindsay Clancy trial.
He criticizes left-wing activism and political extremism, pointing to efforts to demonize, outcast, and politicize jurors during the Clancy case, which he sees as a violation of due process.
Hanson emphasizes the strength of the U.S. economy, citing low poverty, strong labor participation, and high GDP, while criticizing inflation and political distractions.
He underscores the importance of protecting American identity and sovereignty from demographic and ideological shifts, warning against unchecked immigration and cultural replacement.
Hanson calls for transparency and accountability in politics, urging leaders to focus on economic recovery and national unity rather than divisive narratives.
Summary:
The transcript features a detailed conversation between Jack Fowler and Victor Davis Hanson, covering a range of political, historical, and social issues. Hanson critiques Tucker Carlson’s false and conspiratorial claims about nuclear weapons and Donald Trump, arguing that the atomic bombings were a pragmatic wartime decision to avoid massive casualties and a full-scale invasion of Japan. He emphasizes historical facts, such as the Japanese military’s intent to use kamikaze attacks and their willingness to accept massive civilian losses, to refute claims that the bombs were evil or spiritually motivated.
The discussion also addresses the Lindsay Clancy trial, where Hanson condemns the left’s political activism and the demonization of a holdout juror, Michael Deseronville, highlighting how intersectionality—particularly white liberal feminism—has been used to marginalize dissenting voices. Hanson argues that such narratives serve ideological agendas over justice. S.
economy, noting low poverty, strong job growth, and rising per capita GDP, while warning against political distractions and left-wing policies that promote abortion and euthanasia. Throughout, Hanson advocates for historical truth, cultural integrity, and a return to conservative values, urging Americans to defend their identity and institutions against ideological and demographic threats. The conversation underscores a broader concern: that truth is under attack in modern politics, and only through vigilance and principled leadership can society maintain its foundations.
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Hanson argues that the U.S. dropped atomic bombs to avoid massive casualties from a full-scale invasion of Japan, given the Japanese military's brutal tactics and the high potential for civilian deaths.
Yes, Victor Davis Hanson claims Tucker Carlson misrepresented his views, falsely implying he glorified nuclear weapons, which he denies.
Hanson states that the Japanese military treated prisoners of war with extreme brutality, making the Japanese army one of the most inhumane forces of WWII.
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