Victor Davis Hanson: New York's Socialist Agenda, Iran's Threats, and Spain's Border Crisis,

- He sent out this enemy of the people list. He said that you're all guilty of owning two homes, unless you can prove you're innocent. Remember, he was only going after five million dollar property. Now he's going after one million. They always say they're going after billionaires, but there's not enough money, so they go after the middle class. And then with a wink and a nod, say, "Hey, all you envious people out there, "all you career criminals that want to break in, "here's the addresses." He wanted to put the fear of God into property owners. (upbeat music) - Well, hello ladies and hello gentlemen, and welcome to Victor Davis Hanson. In his own words, we are recording on Saturday, August 1st, 2026. This episode will be up on Tuesday, August 4th. I'm Jack Fowler, the lucky man who gets to ask my friend Victor Davis Hanson. The kind of questions I think you would ask him if you were here. 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We have mom Dami with his persistent threats to Benjamin Netanyahu, property confiscation in New York City. I've also got a few other things just to pile on with him. We would like to get an Iran update from you, and the COVID reckoning. And of course there's nothing less than calling it an invasion of Spain from Moroccans in a piece of territory that Spain has in North America. So tons of stuff here of great import, and we'll get your thoughts on them when we come back from these important messages. Female athletes are being forced to compete against biological males, sometimes without their consent or even their knowledge. In Washington, high school software, Callie Kieler was sexually assaulted on the wrestling mat during a tournament. Only afterward did she learn her opponent was a boy who identifies as a girl. 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I, where I'm speaking from the biggest, I had to go over to the coast for a medical issue and then want it where I work at Hoover and I got home and we literally could not see our house. It was like a fog because they were shaking almonds and then they're going to be sweeping them in the middle and then picking them up and we're gonna have about a week and a half. And the only reason I mentioned that, I never, I mean, I never had a problem but when you've had all that irritation from removing a lobe and then burst pulmonary artery, it hit me for the first time. It was hard for me to breathe all yesterday and today. - Yeah, I had the, I guess it was a pleasure. It's quite different than what you experienced in Connecticut. I was out there a few years ago with you. I remember in Coalinga, John Harris's, the Harris Ranch, but it was that time of year. It was almond-shaking season and wow, was it. - Everybody's tried to think of ways to do it. I mean, they've tried to put vacuums and maybe you could. The worst thing is when you shake, you shake all the pollen and dust off the tree and then it goes on the ground and it's. I never had allergies until I had some mass go cytosis but after that operation, everything intensified. So, I got so upset I was actually looking in the homes for sale place in Northern California. - Well, but my family's been here 150 years. - Yeah. Well, Victor, if you can be around much longer, that would be, I would like to think to your benefit and to the benefit of the people that has been here. - I had two of my friends that are electricians and they came out to fix an old wire that are. When we get noise out here, people shooting, spike the dog, jumps in. He tries to claws way into the crawl space and he breaks, he actually gnaws through the doors, the little trap doors, so I had 'em all we built. So we can't get in, but then he had apparently run so panicky that he knocked a main wire to the upstairs. No power, so I had. So these two guys came to fix it and I outfitted one of them with a helmet, jumpsuit, gloves, miners light that I used to use when I went on and I just said, "Keep it, you can keep it." But it was very funny because they got here at 5'30 in the morning and I spent a lot of my life under there and they came back and said, "Oh my gosh, there's black widows "and there's abandoned everything under there." So I've decided, maybe in my listeners who've had this experience can guide me, I think I'm going to, in my last great home-revisionist project, have somebody come out and sweep, sweep and level the entire thing and then put plastic coating on it. So that I, you know, to see. - I've done that, have you. - When I lived in Virginia, yeah, it's an experience. - Yeah, to be under a house and doing that. - But I think it was plastic. I have some plumbing problems too, but I don't want to subject anybody to what I used to hate doing and until I got sick, I used to go under there at least two or three days a year and fix things, but these guys were really freaked out by the number of black widows and what they saw under there. The first show we ever recorded way back six, seven years ago, National Review, you were earlier that day working on the pipes under your kitchen so I know I, go ahead, go ahead. No, I had kind of, I had kind of got trapped in a space and I couldn't get out and I got heart palpitation. - Less of them is better. Victor, before we get on, I think we should start with the ran. - Yes. - And then go to Mamdami and Netanyahu, but before we do that, would you just briefly tell us, now that you're, you know, getting back in the saddle at Hoover, and you do, you do a lot of things at Hoover. You're very active there. I'm not knocking any of your colleagues, but not everybody is, I'll say, as event intensive as you might be. So what were you doing there last week? - Well, I had been going over, I went over and addressed some diplomats, but I was able to sit down at kind of a big room where they were sitting. I did that about a month ago. I had a little problem at the, any time I stand up, I guess the pulmonologist I saw yesterday said all the damage to the lung and it affects the vagus nerve when you out of blood and all of that stuff, it makes your heart very sensitive. So when you stand up quickly or you're standing too long, you start to get pulsations and you can tell something's going on. So, and then I did the retreat, Hoover has a retreat of their donors and I did a conversation with our director, Connolly Sirice. And then this time, the archives, we were primarily an archival institution till about 1960 when Herbert Hoover hired our first director. - And was it Campbell? - Yeah, Glen Campbell and he came from Harvey. It was 34, it was a brilliant economist. And part of our strength and weakness was that he and John raise in his aid and successor were the only directors we had for 60 years. So we really, and we grew into a think tank as well as an archival repository. But anyway, the archivists and a really wonderful person, Eric Waken, who's one of our assistant directors, they found nitrite films and they restored them. And some of them were rarely seen if ever seen propaganda films for Hitler, propaganda for Mussolini, propaganda for the Allies, propaganda for the Russians, there were travel things. There was a 1933 Joe Sharkey Primo Carnarophyte. And so they asked me to talk for 30 minutes on World War Two, and then they showed the hour clips, and then I did Q&A on World War Two. We had a really big turnout about three quarters of that huge auditorium on a 4/30 afternoon was full. But I went earlier to meet with the various people. That was the first time I'd really been on campus. And even though I was only there seven hours, I was completely wiped out for yesterday and today. So that's really frustrating that, you know, it's been six months. I did see that the pomeologist was a wonderful doctor and he was basically saying, "If you get a four hour labectomy and you have to take the whole labect, and it's the largest labect, and then you have a problem in the ICU with bleeds when your blood pressure increases. And then you go back in and have to take all the staples out and you have to put the cameras back in and then you have another four hour to find the bleeds and put three titanium clips, cauterize them. And then you've lost three liters and six transfusions. It's not going in your 70." I won't mention a doctor. I mentioned this too, and he said that he had followed cases where people as a thoracic surgeon. And many people over 70, when they hit the, well, I don't know what happened actually. I shouldn't say that. But when you get a massive bleed of three liters and six transfusions, you're over 70. You don't make it. And he was telling me that pomeologist. Yeah. So instead of being frustrated that at seven months, you're not back, you should be very lucky. You're alive. And that was good for me to hear. So if we had heat seeking, we could see the angel on your, on your, or get the heat goggles, whatever. We could see the angel on your shoulder here. A subfector, let's start off with Iran and an update. I think all our listeners and viewers have heard, and I'm sorry, it just seems, it's deja vuish. Yes. Donald Trump making tremendous threats of massive retaliation or whether it's retaliation or not attacking. And today, the State Department put out an advisory to Americans in ten or so Middle Eastern countries to get out of Dodge because hellfire is coming. I don't know if it is or not, but it's getting kind of, I think there's a consensus. You can feel the consensus that saying you're going to bomb the black out of them or they're going to do this and they're going to do that. He does do it. He does follow it up. I'm not trying to be a warmonger and suggesting, but it's not working because that you cannot trust at theocratic government, radical Islamist government. They've lied continuously. They don't view it as lying. They view it as in service to the religion or their ideology. So when they say, and we've lost now five months, you know, of negotiations, and that was by intent. And we have destroyed 90% of their military capability. So I think what he's getting criticism from his base now, either finish it or get out. And so I think what they're going to do is they're going to go for another 10 days. But I think, you know, when they release targets, when you have these $100 million planes and they're sending a heat seeking missile into a missile launcher, you know, a truck, that's fine and good. But that's the size of Texas and Oklahoma. What you need to do is find where they're making those targets and where they're storing them underground and get at the head of the snake, not its tail. So I think people feel the time has come to hit the dual-use targeting, the bridges, the power plants, if you have to, and inflict the level of damage that disgraces them, humiliates them. And then, as I've said so many times, there is a lot of military capability permanently in that region. The Gulf Arab states have 600 combat aircraft. Israel has over 300. We probably have three or four hundred on our rotating carrier and in bases in gutter and now in Israel, Jordan, etc. So there's probably over easily 12 or 13, 1400 aircraft. And there are Europeans and Asian nations that need that straight open, as are the Gulf. And all of their collective wear with all very easily could keep that straight open and combat aircraft could finish off any vestigial missiles that are hitting the Gulf or Israel. And we should take the bulk of our forces back home and then replenish our stocks and watch it carefully, take the sanctions or even tighten the sanctions, keep the embargo, freezer bank accounts, they're really hurting. And let it would be just sort of turning the burner up to seven out of ten and let it simmer. And don't worry, another one is what I'm suggesting is you turn time in from a weapon of theirs to a weapon of ours. He can do it. If he gets out by August 15th and two weeks, he's got, you know, he's got all September 15th, October 15th. He's got, you know, he's got two and a half months and he can do it. He can get back, talk about the economy, raise money, etc. And the Middle East will be out of the news and the price of oil will fall. But you have to inflict a level of hurt and you have to make time their problem that they're squeezed. And I think they know that and they're desperate now. But they've been desperate. But I would expect they're going to try to use more terrorism, assassinations and stuff like that. But again, we can do that very easily. I just wish that instead of chasing, we did this in the first Gulf War. Remember, Jack, we would chase, they were sending missiles, scud missiles at Israel. So we were spending all those sort of resources chasing all over the desert for a mobile scud launcher. With multi-million dollar fighter aircraft because of Israel, where we should have been hitting Saddam and telling him what we were going to do. So I think we need to stop chasing the individual platforms and orphan them by sealing whatever underground areas they are. Maybe CNN can help us. They supposedly are reportedly were given a tour, weren't they, of an underground storage center, be kind of like the New York Times or the Washington Post, Chicago Tribune going to the third Reich and looking at B2 factories right in the middle of World War II. And then if we ask them, where are they, what are you doing? Oh, we can't tell you where journalists. Yeah. Well, it seems like many people pledge allegiance to things not of America. We'll get to that in a second when we talk, get your thoughts of various things about New York City Mayor and America's leading socialist communist Zoran Mandami be first to our listeners and viewers. If you've studied enough history, you start to see a pattern nation's don't lose their weight overnight. 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So Victor, I knew you wanted to talk about Mamdami and Benjamin Netanyahu and also Mamdami's property confiscation plan, which comes out of Kami textbook 101, but I just like to pile on with three other things just to mention. Also in the news this week, Jews, probably about 12% maybe a little more are the population of New York City. And frankly, you know, the significant number of attorneys in New York, much higher than their population are Jews. And yet, when the mayor created the judicial review committee for, you know, citizens to make help him come up with decisions for judicial appointments, not a single Jewish New Yorker was invited to be on that. We also have news that the DSA, the Democrat Socialist of America, which he's the the pinup boy of news that they are now take vows to of loyalty to communist China and the final thing just throwing it in here and it is that Mamdami was given. The headline of the New York Post, the silent treatment, he went to the funeral of Angel Rampersad, who was a soldier who was killed recently in the Middle East, and he expected to give remarks in the family that they did not let him give remarks. So one last say that also the I hate to use again anniversary that for 25 years this September 11 since the murders, a terrorist attacks, a New York City and elsewhere, and many of the families don't want him near anything to do with this. A mandami blob that Victor have added, well, he fits the pattern. Remember what how socialist work. We saw that with old Joe Biden from scranton that he was now a moderate and everybody behind them were socialist and then they got in power and they were actually like communist and that's what socialists do. When they're running for office, they play down all of their radical agendas. When they get in office, they think socialism is passé and they become communist or they reveal that they were communist all the time. So he's not talking about socialism when he talks about in his considered opinion, he will confiscate property from private individuals when he sees that they don't fit his standards of proper landlord ship. He says that he is going to arrest net yahoo and arrest ice officers, but he doesn't tell us the constitutional crisis that will ensue when Donald Trump sends in the National Guard to enforce a federal statute. He doesn't understand the constitution obviously. The other thing is when he sent out this peoples of the enemy of the people list, so there's what one million properties in the burrows of New York and almost 90% of them, he has names on them of people purportedly who have to prove within three weeks that that is their only home and they live in it, at least in far as New York schools. So he has flipped upside down the American tradition of innocent until guilty. He said that you're all guilty of owning two homes, unless you can prove you're innocent in three weeks. So you know what happened, everybody panicked, the surcharges could run anywhere from five to 150,000. And in some of them, he said remember he was only going going after five million dollar properties, now he's going after one million, that's what socialists do, they always say they're going after billionaires, but there's not enough money because there's not enough billionaires or a million, so they always then go after the upper middle class and then the middle class. But the funny thing is he said he was going to give you three weeks, so what was behind that, well what was behind that was number one, he wanted to put the fear of God into property owners. Number two, that they had to prove they were innocent because they were already in his view and socials view guilty of being parasites on society because they had two homes. So even a thousand of them or the majority didn't have that, that was the allegation, you kind of like a MacArthur, you are a two home owner, one is vacant, your under suspicion, prove us, prove to us that you're not guilty in three weeks. The second thing he was trying to do was to publicize the address and the names, and therefore suggest that many of these might be a second home in vacant, and then with a wink and a nod say hey all you envious people out there, you can go do what I did to Ken Griffith's second big man, you can go and take pictures and embarrass him. Hey, all you squatters out there, there's the address you might find an empty home, go go to it and all you career criminals who want to break in and ransack it, here's the addresses and we don't really care because these are insects anyway parasitical insects on our society. And that was the second purpose that he had, and of course the third is to instill fear into people that at any given moment, at any time, anywhere against anybody, he can do things like this. And the other thing is, all of these things that he's called met Yahweh and Israel, it's very specific and it's unselective, so he says he's a settler colonialist. Jews have been in Israel, speaking Jewish, the Jewish language, practicing the Jewish faith, ethnically Jewish, since around 35 to 4000 BC. Ugandans have not been in Indians, have not been in Uganda and since about 1900, and that was a British imperial project to take other members of the empire that were merchants and middle-class people and implant them as a guard or a stabilizing imperial force into a foreign country. And his family was, as I said, had 65, his family's community owned 65% of the GDP of Uganda. He is a settler colonialist. Hellion is a settler colonialist by his definition. There were no Turks until the 11th century in Asia Minor. There were no Turks in Constantinople to the 15th century. There were no minarets on Hagia Sophia, the millennium, a thousand-year-old, greatest cathedral in Christendom until he conquered it, slaughtered people, the Sultan, Mehmet II, and came in and occupied. So, according to Mondommi's figures, I guess you would say that all of Turkey's occupied land. I guess you would say, because the Jews were in Israel a lot earlier than the Turks were in Asia Minor. And all of the Arab nations just conquered what? They conquered 700 years of Roman settlement in North Africa. And they basically made the Berbers into second-class citizens and forcibly converted everybody that was not Islamic into becoming Muslims by force. That's called settler colonialism. And you could say that Spain is a settler colonialism. How did Spain end up since the 15th century with Spanish enclave on the North African coast? Denmark is a settler colonialism. Little Denmark, Copenhagen, 2,000 miles away from Greenland, they occupy this entire. So, everybody should apply his standards. Ethnic cleansing. The Armenians were ethnic cleansing from Nagorno. Oh, the Cypriots were ethnically cleansed. A lot of Tibetans were ethnically cleansed from Tibet. Yeah, the Uighurs are in a prison dash labor camp, genocidal, genocidal. So, he says Israel is a genocidal going to our next topic. He's going to rest Netanyahu. In 1950, the population of Israel that was Arab that chose to stay when the country was formed in 1947-48 was about 170,000 people and they constituted about 11 to 12% of the population. Today, the Arab Muslim community inside Israel is about 2 million people and it is increased from 10 to 12% to 20%. So, how can you be a genocidal country over the life, basically the life of the entire country and Arabs within your borders have increased their relative percent of the population twofold? How can you do that if you're genocidal? Jews got out of Gaza in 2006, Mr. Mandami. They didn't want to be there anymore. ethnically, ethnically, maybe you could say Ariel Sharon ethnically cleansed all the Jews out of Gaza. He told them to leave. They had that country. And so for nearly 18 years, 17 years, they were gone. There was a flimsy little fence. I've seen it. It's pathetic. And 20,000 gozans were working in Israel for wages, double or triple. And so Gaza was self-governing. It was autonomous. And if you think that it, that was unfair that Israel exercised due influence, Israel said Egypt could we zoom its custodianship any time it wanted. And what did that happen? That wasn't good. So they invaded with 5,000 people. They invaded a sovereign country. We still have bases in Japan. We still have bases in Germany. And Israel doesn't have a base after they conquered Hamas. And then remember, they went in three weeks after October 7th, the massacres. They begged Hamas to turn over the killers and give back the hostages. And they wouldn't. And Mr. Mondama, you never give an alternate, an alternate examination of what they should do. What should you do when somebody where the United States or 32 times larger, 34 times larger, we lose 40,000 dead from the cartels in Mexico. They kidnapped the equivalent of 7,000 Americans from the border, take them to Mexico, put them in tunnels, and then spread out in a major Mexican city. We asked them for three weeks. Please, please, please, give us back our 7,000. Please, please, give us the names and extradite the people who killed 40,000 Americans. And they won't do it. Well, you know what America would do. We do what we did in World War II. We do what we did in Korea. We would do what we didn't get in on. We would do what we always do. Bomb, bomb, bomb. And it wouldn't be, I don't think America, since Curtis Lamey dropped leaflets over Japan during the fire raids that started on March 11, 1945. He dropped over 10 million leaflets and said, "Get out of the cities because you're going to meet Armageddon now because you're producing things in dispersed household factories." And we can't get out the factories anymore. They're going to be, and we're going to destroy your cities. And he destroyed it. 85% of the urban core, I'm not justified. I'm just saying that in history's toll of reactions to mass murder or mass surprise attack, what the Israelis did, texting people, telling them to get out, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, was not only not unusual, but not nearly as harsh as what other countries did. We were ready to minus the atom bomb. The Air Force, I saw some video, but it looked like the relentless bombings would have taken 5, 6, 7, 8 million Japanese miles. Oh, it was even worse than that. We were bombing with 2,000 B-29s from 1,600 miles away at the Mariana. So they were flying eight hours in one direction and eight hours in the other with over empty ocean. And Curtis Lemay pushed for the conquest of Okanawa, which was declared secure, depending on who you read, whether it was June 15th or July 2nd. And we were already building airways, and we were going to do the following. We were going to leave the 2,000 B-29s that were going to be attacking three to four times a week, what was left of Japan. And then we were going to bring over about 1,000 landcasters that had the same bomb capacity, almost as a B-29, and about 7 to 8,000 B-24s and B-17s, all of which were idle, because the war had been over since May 12th, just sitting in European bases. We were going to bring them all over there, and they were going to have a 700 or 800 mile, not 3,200 mile round trip. And they were going to bomb four or five times a day with the Mariana planes and all these planes on Okanawa. And Curtis Lemay said, "We didn't need the atomic bombs. We could have done all of that in another month with fire rays, but the atomic bombs saved millions of Japanese lives, not from the invasion that was forecast in October November, and then February of the next year, but from saving the Japanese of the fire raids, which had destroyed 85% of their cities, and they were going to destroy everything, because that fanatical government would not surrender." And that fanatical government, before you say anything everybody, and say, "Well, Victor, that was a war crime, poor Japanese people." Let me remind you, not only did they start the war, but if you look at the total number of dead in Germany, five or six million, and they were responsible for killing about 27 million Russians, and maybe three to four, five million Poles. But if you look at Japan, two and a half million, three million, they killed over 22 or 23 million, probably 16 to 18 million in China, the vast majority of civilians, another four million Asians, and probably almost a half a million Allied troops. So of all the belligerents of World War II in terms of which country lost had the best, and that's a horrible word to use, but most effective killing rate, that is, how many Japanese died versus how many they slaughtered. Japan was the slaughterhouse of World War II, the slaughtering engine, and they were killing 20,000 people a day, and no one knew how to stop them, except the US Army Air Force, and they did stop them. And nobody talks about it. If Israel, I would ask, "Mandami, let's say that Israel says, "Well, we want you to give the wing leaders back, and you didn't do it, and we wanted you to give our hostage back, and you didn't do it. It's been three weeks. So we're going to go to the International Criminal Court and file a writ against you, and then we're going to go to the UN, and we're going to want you to do it. What would they have done? Well, don't do that. We might, you might extra-no, they would have laughed in your face. They had no mechanism whatsoever to punish the people who killed all these Jews, and would do it again if they were not punished, and they had no mechanism whatsoever. Everybody criticizes them, but they never offer an alternate plan. And then they look around the Middle East, both historically in the present, and all they see is the slaughter of people. And then they said, they call it apartheid state, and that is really funny, and it's an ethno state. There's nothing in the Israeli constitution that says you have to be a Jewish observant. You know, you have to follow the Jewish faith. There isn't a Greek constitution, and there is, in 22, I think it's 22 of the 30 Muslim nations, you have to be a Muslim, and in 23 of them, Arab and non-Arab, it is a crime to be an apostate. You cannot get out of being a Muslim without repercussions. That is called an ethno state. China is an ethno state. Mexico used to have the in its constitution that immigration shall not change the ethnic essence of Mexico. Israel doesn't have that. There's a lot of ethnic states and religiously intolerant countries. Israel is not one of them, but he keeps talking about an ethno state, a genocidal state, a settler colonial state, and war crimes, etc. And he has the history all wrong. The Jews have been there so much longer than the Arabs in the Middle East, and not that you go back and seek count, who has a better claim, but a little humility, and all of these people that are half educated get on podcasts, and they just repeat this problem. All those people that were at Columbia, that poured out in the streets, and were hitting people, and violent, both Arab and Muslim Middle East students on visas, and the crazy socialist students that did that, had they did that in any country, any country attacked the civilians of that country and protested and liable their government. If they had done it in Gaza, if they had, if you had a bunch of dissident gossips, and they stormed the university, or if they were in the West Bank and they stormed the university, and they said, "Yeah, yeah, praise the United States. USA. USA." What would happen to them? They'd be shot. After they were tortured. After they, if you weren't Iran, and then they'd talk about freedom and ethnic, if you weren't Iran, and say, "I'm going to start a gay parade celebration in Tehran," or the trans community that is now allied with the Islamists, says, "Is there a chapter in Saudi Arabia of trans? Why aren't there trans surgery at university hospitals in Saudi Arabia?" That's not fair, or if you said, "I'm sick of the sexism in gutter, and I'm sick of the, and I'm going to have a woman's liberation, and we're going to take off our top and go brawl as like we do in Europe." What would happen to them? They would be stoned. And so sick-ning to see all of these two types of people, these affluent socialists who are upset because they got their, you know, sociology, psychology, studies degree and nobody appreciated their genius and they can't afford a loft apartment in Brooklyn and they're mad at the world. And then all of these immigrants, the Ilyan Omars, the Rashida Telibs, the Zoran Madami's, the Millett Kuros, the Shabalye's that come over. She's now a Muslim and they come over from these, either their parents or they are ALC from Puerto Rico or parents, either first or since, and they come from failed states. Larger as a result of socialism. And then the first thing they do, they talk grandly that they wanna change our country. We're gonna change the constitution. We're gonna get rid of the Senate. We're gonna get rid of the, how are you gonna do that? You can't get a passing amendment. You have to pass an amendment to alter the constitution. You think three quarters of the states of the United States are crazy, like you, maybe 25%. You think that two thirds of the Senate is gonna vote for you. Well, we're gonna abolish the Senate. So you get the impression that they wanna make these changes but they wanna use violence to do it. And I don't think people are gonna let 'em do it. And the other thing is, everybody don't believe as Victor has sometimes misled you. And saying, I've always said, don't worry, these people have only one local election, that's true. And the rubber hits the road in Maine, Michigan, and Texas, 'cause you have a blue main state, you have a purple Michigan state and you have a red Texas state. And we'll see of Talleriko and is his name Jackson that took over from Platinum. - Oh, oh, yeah. - Who's married to a second cousin? - Yes, yes, yeah. That's, you know, a couple kids met. It's minor little infraction, Jack, come on. - Okay, sorry about that. - And then we have Mr. El Saeed, who's running. But the point I'm making is even when they take over, an urban enclave, they affect everybody. They've now hijacked and captured, it's under occupation, New York City. And if they keep, if he gets reelected and he has eight years, he will destroy the financial capital of the world. And that will affect all of us. When they took over, border states like New Mexico and California and Arizona, and they helped, the Biden and Obama open those borders. And that affected everybody all over the United States. So their policies in these areas of the United States can affect everyone, everyone. And that's why they're dangerous. - Yeah, even the propensity of the population moves elsewhere. Still, if you have these hellholes of major cities that are just halacias, it is not in our interests. It's not in the interests, of course, of the people who are stuck there and can't get out of dodge. 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I'm not sure if I said that properly, but prompting Spain to deploy its military as terrified locals, like in the invasion to an apocalypse, so Ciuta is located on the North African coast. And I just want to say it's some of the reaction. I'm looking at headlines from the Brussels signal, which is an English language center right news source. Here's the reaction from the rest of the year. Vandole and the head of the EU demands immediate halt to the crossings and swift returns. Sweden tells Spain to regain control of Ciuta. And warns it is ready to act. France deploys rapid border force and Titans checks at Spanish border over Ciuta crossings. Netherlands tells Spain to protect the EU external border after the crossings, et cetera, et cetera. Oh my gosh. They're border hogs. How it'll live? Yeah, I know right. So you're your thoughts on this. Well, I mean overnight invasion. In 1973, the member of the Friendship Academy, John Raspell wrote Camp of the Saints. Everybody said he was a racist because it was a fictional fantasy novel about an announcement that France was going to allow anybody come in that wanted in this whole army from impoverished Indian subcontinent lands. And then they take over. And then they start demanding a Frenchman religious political concessions. And everybody said he was a racist. He may or may not have been. He wasn't a racist. I should say that. He was a Renaissance man. But an explorer athlete, everything. He was a novelist essayist. But it's like reality is imitating fiction. It's 60,000 people swarm this little enclave, this little-- can I say it? This little colonial enclave in Morocco. And it was all preordained. As soon as you saw it, the first thing I saw when you saw thousands of people pouring into a city, I think it's only about 7,000 or 8,000. Where are they going to relieve themselves? Who's going to feed them? Where are they going to sleep tonight? Who's going to clothe them? Because some of them were just in cut-offs bear with no shoes on. Oh, those who say go back are cruel. And then you start to see what the socialist enterprise is. Why did Alejandro, New Yorkists want 12,000 people coming from the poorest areas of the world here every day? The answer is they wanted to grow the progressive projects. So they come in. And then they say, you're heartless. You're heartless. All our ERs are overcrowded. And you can't get good legal services. And you've got-- is a big line at the food stamp office. Yes, you caused that. And at the expense of US citizens who were in need. So then they say, we need this. We need this. We need billions of dollars in Minneapolis. And LA needs billions of dollars to help. And of course, we know where that money goes. Most of it never goes to the people. But it's siphoned off as we see with these crooked communities. Many of them immigrant communities. But then you get constituency. So the second part of the paradigm is under the guise of COVID, we did one single day registration of many states. We said, most states, I think there's only 20 of them that require an ID and they're all red. No ID registered the same day in vote, ballot harvesting, ballot curing, early voting. And you can have votes come in up to a week, 10 days in some states with a postmark if it's on election day. And even some, I think they don't have to be postmarked on election day, just within 10 days they have to arrive or within a week. So that all that was geared to let people who are not legally qualified to vote. And that couple with demography was the answer to the left wing dilemma. The left wing dilemma is socialism never works. It impoverishes everything it touches. Nobody wants open board. nobody wants the trans men in your lock your teenage girls locker room. Nobody wants to defund the police the pinnacle. Nobody wants to get rid of this Senate. Nobody wants to pack the court. We all know that so we import voters and we that's what we do and that's what they've done. So 53% 53 million immigrants in the United States is a whole time high so is 16%. So Donald Trump is, this has been another gift to him if he can use it. He can just say I kept telling you that when Joe Biden let let destroyed our borders and we got 12 million people here of which we're still paying for and they affected everything from available housing to health care. You laughed at me and it spread didn't it and so this is what people saw in America they said why not Spain why not Britain why not France and if they don't get it on your control. The only difference is that when Donald Trump starts arresting people and deporting them they're going to call them a fascist and you're a few may but they are very proprietary and finally they've had it and so they're not going to say a word when they round a lot of these people up and start deporting them. And before you say that Donald Trump is so cruel he's deporting people on visas well they're going to deport people in Sweden who are citizens if they commit major crime and send them back to their country of origin. I don't know what the oath of allegiance is in Sweden but if you come somewhere and raise your hand or whatever you do to say I'm I'm abiding by the rules here I just feel that's contractual if you break the contract or send you back to where with whatever. I think what we're watching is a counter revolution and I wrote that in the book that's coming out in September it's a counter revolution and its essence is we're going to be traditional and normal and follow the law and what we've seen the last 40 years is the law is just a joke it's fluid it's all about compassion and empathy fake empathy and we let people go because of their color or their sexual orientation or their gender or their raise. And everybody is going to say you know that is racist that is Neanderthal we're going to go back to equality under the law right and truth you know justice doesn't matter truth doesn't matter to be to these to the left is what matters is his power right to plus two is five if the party says so then it's five. Yeah I mean when you see Hassan Piker whose parents are turkeys multi-millionaire immigrants and who took him he was born in the United States so he'd be a citizen then he took he was taken back to Turkey in his paradise but apparently he didn't like paradise in Muslim Turkey so he came over here. And now he's spouting off about Mao and he has a picture of a celebratory picture of 9/11 and he just said the other day I guess two days ago I can guarantee you a Jew won't be nominated or as our candidate. What if he said this I can guarantee you that a Turk won't be nominated ever as the nomination of the Republican Party without be racist I think it would. How would he like that he's really a demonic figure he really is. Yeah well Victor we're going to take a little break when we come back although he has good taste in cars I mean if you have $130,000 sports sports car and $2.8 million home in West Hollywood I guess you're doing pretty well as a capitalist or as a son of a capitalist. So when we come back we are going to get again get your thoughts on Anthony Fauci and the reaction to Anthony Fauci we'll do all that when we come back from these final important messages. Hello this is Victor Davis Hansen for the Daily Signal. I have a new book out on September 8th of this year and I think you're going to enjoy it's called Counter Revolution. The fall and rise of Donald Trump and the mega movement. It starts right after January 6th and it details the lack of popularity of Donald Trump the invective that he endured the five civil and criminal trials the effort to get him off the ballot the raid on Marlago the two impeachments earlier one in which he was tried as a private citizen and yet he came back. How did he come back and why did he come back I explain in the book how he defeated his primary opponents how he was outspent he had a hostile media and he defeated the democratic machine and Camela Harris. It starts on January 6th it ends pretty much now in May of 2026 what's the title about Donald Trump is not a revolutionary he's not a revisionist he's a counter revolutionary. This time around he is not addressing just the symptoms of the progressive project of the last 50 years he's talking about the causes not just an open border but how to stop illegal immigration entirely not just crime but sending the National Garden to make sure cities are safe not just an Iranian nuclear threat but ending that threat that seven other presidents had identified but that did not act on not just addressing the transgender issue are the green new deal all of those issues that are so dear to the democratic party but ending them defunding NPR and PBS so it is a counter revolution to unwind and to roll back the entire progressive project of the last 50 years I think you're going to like it. It's pretty interesting and it chronicles the greatest political come back in our recent political history thank you very much on Victor Davis Hansen for the daily signal. We are back with Victor Davis Hansen in his own words we were recording on Saturday August 1st this episode will be up on Tuesday August 4th. So Victor first you know interesting thing where I live in Connecticut you know there was a bit of serendipity once I found the Brownstone Institute website and it's a great place folks I want to encourage you to go there. They're not clients of mine where I work on my day job is just it's just they've been terrific from the get go about COVID and about all kinds of big government tyranny etc. But they happen to have events so I clicked on the event button and once a month they have a dinner in West Hartford Connecticut and it's run by Jeffrey Tucker so some of you folks may follow him on X he's the founder of Brownstone he writes daily for epic time so you know so he I was at a dinner last night there and he was he was just but sensationally was talking about he read the diaries in total and it is a massive job is a Anthony Fauci's diaries which are your diaries people you pay for them they're not his a significant so I just want to give his observation and then Victor you might a pine and then we can talk about some of the re the lefty reactions to him so so this much Jeffrey Tucker wrote on X yesterday the first spin on this book is partially correct it's an exercise in vanity true but there is so much more here it's the story of the descent of a soul at every stage of decline social climbing ego mania megalomania duplicity self deception intensifying levels of malice exhaust and using courteers as solve and ending in total defeat realized only incorrectly reading it is a remarkable experience it's obviously not well written but that is a strength a bit like how the Blair witch project is scarier due to its low budget its raw and painful alarming and shocking and ultimately speaks to much more than the life of the author it's really a window into systemic corruption of nearly all the commanding heights of society itself and offers a devastating indictment of the ruling class in government media science and industry this Fauci catch on that the media is using him as much as he is using them that is that he inhabited a world of fakery maybe but he decides early on that is the only choice he has to keep it up else his whole world crumbles almost done this icarus just keeps flapping his wings without realizing that they were melting another feature that stands out it was always political theater and never about science he writes much more but victor i assume that's a great they accurate assessment of it from the man who actually embraced the whole thing your thoughts on what you have seen of a commentary on that or any other thoughts related to the diary i posted two x's long ones what the second one was the harder they fall so it follows the same pattern as john bolton everybody thought he was the republican conservative guru and he could couldn't get approved by any president because the senate would never confirm him and don't trump did him a big favor and then he immediately thought i'm john bolton the world's most knowledgeable man and trump had any started you know emailing classified information to his kids so he could include them in a book which i think Fauci was planning and release it at election time and help defeat dollar trump which i think it did and now he's a convicted felon same that we could go into james call me we could go into james clapper we can go in the John Brennan, we can go into Mark Milley a lot. But these people go into these bureaucratic fiefdoms and they have absolute judge, jury and execution or power and it goes to their head. And after a while, they think they're godlike. And everybody has to listen to them. And as they become godlike, they lose expertise. Expertise, so Mark Milley, the more powerful he got, kept assuring us at the Afghan army. And his anestimate, his wise opinion was absolutely solid and would never crumble. And it crumbled shortly after he assured us of that. And the Fowler, she hadn't really been doing very much research at all, which is OK. He was a bureaucrat. But he acted as if he did, that he had expertise. So he was eubristic, and then he caused an auté or destruction, and the nemesis caught up with him. So he would say Peter's liquor finger, which way-- oh, no mask, no mask. You don't need a mask. One mask will do. You need to-- oh wow, somebody told me that there's an article out somewhere about two masks. Let's see. Munderna, Pfizer. OK, what's the party line? You will not be-- I can assure you. You will not be infectious. You will not be infected six months later. This is for the larger community. It helps-- it may have helped people who were elderly. The initial iteration, although I can tell you, that six months after I got the exam, the shots I got COVID, after he was assuring us you didn't. As far as the pangolin battle, he had no idea other than he had given money to fund in a variety of manifestations, to fund gain of function research, and it was outlawed. Rand Paul believes he was doing it elsewhere in the world and wants to get to the bottom of it. But of course, that wouldn't look good, so he tried to suppress-- he didn't try to just suppress the information. He tried to describe people, destroy people's reputations and their livelihoods, and he did. I can't-- I always-- when I get on this topic, I think of the 8,500 career US enlisted men and officers who just innately felt that they were in the prime of their life, and they did not need this vaccination. They had all sorts of other vaccinations, but they just didn't like the idea of an MR-M-N-R-A genetic engineering. That's what it was, to create spike-- they didn't want it. And they were all bounced out of the military, and they were reviled and humiliated. And their children is one reason why these traditional generation after generation families did not join. DEI was another, but they didn't join the military, because their parents had been despised and defamed by the military under Lloyd Austin. And so there were all this collateral. And then I started reading these things. I couldn't even read it, because he had four villains-- the authors of the Great Barrington Decoration, doctors, Bodacharya, Kulendorf, and Gupta. He said, he called them the three stooges. Can you imagine that? The three stooges. They were all sophisticated public health experts. And then he had a special hatred for Scott Atlas, because Scott Atlas was brought in as a counter to him. And Scott, unlike Dr. Fauci, was very photogenic and very articulate. And he actually was a practicing health expert and read-- I've known him for 20 years. He reads scientific papers and he talks to sciences and he conducts research himself. And he was saying things that were contrary to Fauci. There are no evidence that mask will protect you from being infected or getting infected. Unless you're in a confined space or you're a health care provider or you're immunologically compromised. There's no reason to wear it outside. There's no reason to go into the office necessarily and wear one unless you're breathing on somebody right next to you. And you happen to have COVID. He recommended taking the inoculations. He just said, this is an experimental and be careful. And I'm not sure that anybody under the age of 18 needs it or even older is the people 60 and older or people who are ill. The main thing he said that got Fauci furious was he said, if you shut down the schools and you do the first general lockdown, quarantine, and American history, you're going to have a lot of people dead. And the death rate is so hard. You're going to miss prostate exams, mammograms, key surgeries. You're going to have spousal abuse, alcohol, drug abuse. You're going to have people go completely insane, locked up, and urban apartments. You're going to have students that are missing-- missing-- two years, the most vital period of their K-12 education. You're going to get millions of teachers just sitting around, getting money. And that's going to be a precedent. You're going to get a whole new and your culture where people characteristic think they have a God-given right to stay home all day and zoom in once a week. You're going to ruin the American character if you do this. And they did it. And then when you read what Fauci said about Atlas, he said, talk to Atlas. I think he's right about schools. I talk to Atlas. I think he's right about the quarantine. And then you see what he was communicating with the woman on the view, Alicia Ferra. Don't worry. Doctor, we'll fire him. Get him off TV. Get him off TV. We'll fire him. And so once he did that, and he got to Trump, and he bragged that he basically had mesmerized Trump. Then the next thing you knew, Scott Atlas was public enemy number one. You walked with him on campus. People walked the other way. So he went from being the most prestigious health care expert on the West Coast. And the premier neural radiologist who was the world's expert in interpreting MRI scans in the brain, critical for brain tumor surgery, everything, he wrote the textbook on it, to some kind of public enemy number one. Yeah, well, Fauci did that. So when I saw him up there, there was my little angel side said, well, here's a broken 85 year old man. And everybody's barnstorming and crashing him. And I wouldn't want to be 84. Then I thought, my little devil, I should say we adverse on the angel side, whispered Victor, he killed, his policies, traced them back. He greenlighted gain of function research. That killed a million Americans. You had COVID, long COVID for four months and six months. His virus that he helped create, which the Chinese could not have created that virus without a French company building that lab. And well, Americans giving them expertise and advice via, and some money via Anthony Fauci. And then I saw what you did to Martin Colander and Botticari and what you did to anybody who opposed you. And you were this snivenly little ambusher that in your private correspondence, every day you were doing two things. Barbara Strison says she has a little wart on her rear end. Oh, Julia Roberts says I'm a folks, oh, I walked out of the White House and people thought I was a saint and then I got to get this guy. We got to do this and we got to do this to this person. And then we have this happy face. I came away with the impression he doesn't know anything. You would be better to go in downtown Fresno and tap somebody in the shoulder and say, what do you think about the shot you get? Do you think it's going to protect you? What do you think about the mask you want to wear one too? I don't know, just try. What do you think about shutting down the school? I think they would have a better answer than he would. But he had the pseudo-sophisticated medical knowledge. So he ended up a tragic character. He's like, he's kind of like edipists at colonists or edipist wrecks or Ajax. I mean, he committed suicide. He committed career suicide. He didn't know he was doing it. But he did. He's going to be a laughing stock. And you know what, the only thing he has going for him is so many people on cable news, NPR, PBS, except so many people lied and said he was a saint. And they're invested in that now. That they're lying about it now. And they say he's great, he's wonderful because they don't want to be read back what they wrote or replayed what they said. And I can tell you, I mentioned that before in this. I had a letter from the head of the Stanford Alumni Association accusing me of offering anti-fouchy advice about the origins of COVID, et cetera, et cetera. But a lot of people were damned and lost their credentials for suggesting, like Tom Cotton had said, if you have a war on stage four virology lab and the PLA is running it, and you know it's sloppy. And there's never been a pangolin or a bat that spread the type of virus from Wuhan and the virus has spread. at Ground Zero was right there in the city, and the Chinese Communist government is barring, barring all flights with Wuhan and greenlighting flights to Europe, the United States, and there's something going on. - Every state is home to significant historic sites that tell the American story, but not every site is telling that story honestly and fairly. That's why the Heritage Foundation created the Heritage Guide to Historic Sites. This interactive guide equips American citizens with the tools they need to enjoy the sites that depict some of the greatest moments in our nation's history, analyzing them for historical accuracy, and provides resources for families or educators planning a visit from Mount Vernon to Independence Hall to Gettysburg and more. Americans deserve transparency and sites that steward our history faithfully deserve our gratitude. The Heritage Guide to Historic Sites invites every American to rediscover the places and stories that define our nation, whether it's across the country or in your backyard. Visit historicsites.heritage.org to start your adventure today. - Well, Victor, about that, you know, the cheering section that remains and we've mentioned on this show before Dr. Fauci and I share alumni status for high school and college. So I'm involved, I go into the Facebook page of my high school and the adulation he has from so many people, I don't know, look, read just high school. It is tough to get in, tough to get out. Like, third of my class went to Ivy League schools just back in the '70s, a lot of smart guys. I probably had dumbest of the lot. But to see so many, you know, genuinely smart, human still, kiss his Heiney, still say they've got atlas. He's just a radiologist. I will take the, I will take the position of the great Fauci, who's the, whatever, you know, the investigative scientist, my Heiney, but they still make the case for this, this had to have come from a wet market. This, no one's ever found this disease pangolin walking around anywhere, they never had one transmission. - Yeah. - But they have so bought into the lies, it's because to, you know, as, to admit, well, he is wrong, it makes you were wrong. - Yeah, well, the thing is that Jay Bhattacharya and very soft-spoken manner was saying that Fauci was completely wrong and had injured or had policies that injured or killed thousands of people. And Scott Atlas and very explicit tough terms and blunt didn't pull any punches. And that was what they were afraid of. Basically, it was the bicostal elite that led the attack against any critics of Fauci and it was on the idea that I'm gonna stay in my, Howard Stern never went out. He never went out once. I think he lived there and there were a lot of movie stories. I'm gonna stay in my enclave and I'm gonna call up Amazon and I'll call Home Depot and I'll get those working class people, you know, to get out there and work. And when my dryer goes off or my plumbing's out and I'll call one of those guys and they'll come in here and I won't get near 'em, but they'll wear their mask in my home and they'll do my stuff and they'll go out and work but I'm not going to work, I'm gonna zoom and I'm gonna do, do, do, do, do. That was their attitude and then all of a sudden, they thought, oh my gosh, Scott Atlas is going to break up and Jay Bhattacharya is gonna break up my little world. I can't have that happen. And they're defaming my godhead. I have this little bobby head thing on my mantle, bobble head. - Fuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. - We have to get a Victor Bob. - No, well, what would you think, Jack? I said, Jack, I gotta make a statement. Hey everybody, I was at Stanford the other day and a guy came up to me and he had a Victor bobble head and I was so pleased, but I'm not done, I'm not done. By the way, I had a call from a movie star and you won't believe who it was, I'll tell you. And by the way, I did selfie, I'm making this up, but what would you think about somebody? They say, you're insane. (laughing) That said, I bet somebody will come up to you someday with a Victor bobble head. - Oh, I know, so I might go have one made. Victor, can I just, can we conclude this, 'cause we've talked about before and you and the great Sammy, Wayne could've talked about this Fauci stuff also, stuff. My old colleague at National Reviewed Judd Berger who picked up what I used to do there, the weekend Jolt, he wrote something today, Saturday, and he said, I agree with him. He said, I don't think there's ever really going to be a COVID reckoning, just like, he didn't say this, but I think this has never been a reckoning for communism and Eastern Europe, right? These significant global tyrannical events, that was one, but yeah, I don't think COVID reckoning's going to happen. - I can't tell you, I know. I won't tell you where or who or when, but I was with a group of scholars and that topic came up. And like the buffoon from Salma, I assumed everybody knew the truth. This was a year ago, more than a year ago. And I said, well, the topic came up. I said, well, the evidence is in pretty clearly now. And I had been reading voraciously about it, that the virus originated as a humanly constructed virus that was system possible to occur in nature in that state. And whether it was accidentally or deliberately released or whether it was originally part of a bio, I don't know, but I do know that once it was released, the national quarantine and the lockdown and the suppression of the schools and putting older people, COVID next to older people and not letting people say goodbye to their loved ones as they watched through a window as they died and their last breath, kicking some of our bravest, most competent soldiers out of the mill. I know all of that was wrong and in retrospect, we had concentrated all our resources on those who were ill and over 60 years old and tried to be careful about, you know, intimate associations where you're breathing right next to somebody on a plane or something you would wear a mask, maybe, or washed your hands frequent. That was just common knowledge. That's what I said. And everybody, I said you can point to the countries that had Sweden. And I said, we destroyed the Trump economy and the fourth, and you wouldn't believe the reception, two people got up and just thought I was the anti-Christ. Oh, you don't know anything. You shouldn't talk about what you don't know, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the only other thing I want to add is this was an election year. So the people who pushed Fauci and pushed, they pushed a lot of stuff. And I always go back to the Molly Ball February, 2020 time essay, was she lays it all out? We changed the voting laws. We got the quarantine. We went to the state legislatures. And the result of it was we had no ID voting and 70% mayor. And what I'm getting at is that was partly aimed at Donald Trump because if you look at the November, December, January, economic stats, the economy was just about ready to boom. And you look at his polls, they were going back up. And a lot of the people on the left, especially in Congress, bought into the idea of a complete shutdown, an economic shutdown, a quarantine, a disruption. And then when they got what they wanted, a high unemployment, big deficit, I see Donald Trump, look at him, he's willing to economy. It was a lot, and Fauci was an agent of the left. He really was. He had contempt for the Trump administration. He can say that we have a weird relationship by development. But his basic idea was he would go talk to Trump and then he would make fun of him or talk to other people about him. He was a very duplicitous person. By the way, one last thing of back on the wet market to this occurring nature was it man-made. If I put up Stephen Quay-- and I've shared Stephen Quay's versus Anthony Fauci's talent and ability to look at this virus and say with a complete authority, this is from nature versus this is, oh my God, all the evidence is here that this was manufactured in a lab some way. Yeah, I mean, he wrote a book on that. I would believe Stephen Quay. I did not know what Anthony Fauci's true abilities are relative to Quays. Yeah, I'm the chairman of the Bradley Oversight Committee of Encounter Books. Roger Kimball's a good friend, he's the editor. So we published two of his books. And I can tell you, I don't know what his politics are. I know him, but when you read that book, and he talks in scientific terms about the odds of-- at each decision about a cleavage site or a type of mutation, it's always-- it always breaks against nature's probability. In other words, if it's 10 and a million chances, it will break 10. and those breaks are predictable, those adaptations for infectiousness, transmissibility, et cetera, et cetera, severity. Which exposes the intentionality of it all to us. Yes, it does. It makes it all the more satanic. Well, the only defense you can have is, there were people in the US State Department, Chinese experts that suggested that there had been literature published in China that they were working on a vaccination for it. In other words, you got the impression that the people's liberation army was preparing a deadly virus. I don't mean deadly in this sense, it's going to kill everybody. I mean, even worse that it would kill off older people and it would make people panic and it would give them morbidity. And slow down their economy or their military and then they were going to have a vaccination for. They came very quickly out with the vaccination. The Chinese did. Well, Victor, thanks for, you know, you should create wisdom here today. As you always do, I want to, I forgot to print out any viewer comments. I'll get to them in our next episode. So I did see where very, very, some kind of me being out there with you. I looked younger than I am. So be it, I can't, I'm being Fauci here, I'm being self-absorbed, my hair cut, all that jazz, whatever. But it was, it must say again, it was very enjoyable. Somebody sent me a picture, a friend of mine sent me a picture of you, juxtaposed in George Clooney. And I, there's a resemblance there. I don't know if your politics or similar to your appearance. I don't think so. That's, your friend is a great, great comic mind. I do want to remind our listeners and viewers again to visit your website, Victor, the blade appercius Victor Hansen dot com. If you're on X, Victor just said he wrote too long X posts about things Fauci. So at VD Hansen is his handle. The good people at the Victor Davis Hansen fan club on Facebook, they take those things and they, they replay them. So check that out and maybe join. I think about 65, 70,000 members of that. Over Victor's shoulder, over my shoulder is copy of the counter revolution, Victor's forthcoming book. So you can go to Victor's website and click on the link and order it. It's coming out in five weeks, September 8th. And one thing I had a lot of people call me that on our new website, there's not very many comments on the articles both behind and in front of the paywall. We're working on that. There was a paradigm to stop robotic, you know, robots, robots, bots. But one of the results of that is that there's no comments hardly. And that doesn't mean that people are not reading it. We're going to get that back. So we have 40 or 50 comments as we did prior to that on many articles. The website looks, looks great, Victor. One last thing, if you are interested in one of the things I do, I work for a company amp. Well, we help nonprofits with their fundraising and development, but we also have a related nonprofit, the Center for Civil Society. And that publishes civil thoughts. And that's the free weekly email newsletter. I write and it has 14 recommended readings comes out every Friday. It's usually hardly rarely anything political about it. It's much more about cultural matters, but great articles I've seen. And I think you would like. So go to civilthoughts.com and sign up for it. We want to assure you we don't sell your name. So there's no, there's no after effect to that. So thanks again for watching folks. Thanks for listening. Victor again, thank you for all the great wisdom you shared. And we will be back again with another episode of Victor Davis Hansen in his own words. Bye-bye. Thank you everybody for listening and watching. Thank you for tuning in to the Daily Signal. Please like, share and subscribe to be notified for more content like this. You can also check out my own website at victorhansen.com and subscribe for exclusive features in addition.