Van Lathan & Vic Mensa: Honey Packs, Jiu-jitsu & Hot Animated Characters

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We spend our surviving middle school run getting into what's happening inside your kids' brain, the group chat, and their friendships, and what you can do about it. - Your child is not doing this on purpose. - That's the kind of perspective we've been pulling from the psychologists and psychiatrists who study this for a living. Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. - I was just taking any better, you putting in something like this. - Oh no, I took the honey pack and then drank something after it. - Yeah. - I heard it supposed to be. - And as soon as I shot my shot, my nose started bleeding immediately. - No, no, no. (laughing) - Don't, ey, don't talk to me like that on my show, bro. (laughing) - I feel like hip-hop gets turned into the scapegoat for all of America's crowning characteristics. - I think a lot of times we talk about respectability when we talk about songs like that because we're embarrassed. - If I had that happen, I'd probably block the girl immediately. - You didn't think starting animated characters was kind of hot? - It's an animal. - I hear you, bro. I'm not starting with that part. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Welcome to the shop. I'm one of your host, Dylan Stilo Brown. - I am Travis, everybody calls me Taco. And today, we have two very smart guests. - Yes. - They're late in here. - What's up? - My daughter, Big Miss, right here. - She's a big boy. - I'll be here to airship. She'll say, yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, really? (laughing) - That's a Hunter's shirt. I see you. You okay, Pobdy? I'm a Hunter fan. Okay? - I have one daughter. - Okay, I'll start it. - And I will say. - Every key, every key. They would put cocaine in that shit, bro. And every time I have a meeting with a nigga and they say, my kid is a fan, I go, where are you at? Where are you at? 'Cause once you get a kid involved with that shit, a nigga wanna be cool to his kid always. No matter what, once a kid's a fan, bro, you're up. - Did you watch K-POP demons? - I did. - Me, it was good. I haven't seen you yet. - You cry. I didn't think that was what you just doing out here. - Crying is emotional in the me, bro. - That would be my goal then? - Yeah, but like, you like y'all. Y'all don't cry? - I can cry. - And not over cartoons. - I cry over cartoons. - I cry over cartoons more than I cry over regular live action stuff. - So top five, most emotional cartoons. - We just talked about this. - Emotional cartoons. - Lion King. - We said Lion King was one of us. - Lion King was one for me. - Spirit away? - Spirit away. - Spirit away. - No, Wally. - Wally. - Wally, Wally. - Wally, Wally, Wally. - Big hero six. - Big hero six. - Rocked my world. - Big hero six is my shit. I love Big Hero six. - M-A-M-E cry. - But like, you know, the cartoons know how to pull on the emotional strings and shit like that. - Yeah. - I mean, Lion King is the most like complete movie I feel like ever. Like as a child, you just learn all the things, emotions, freshness, yeah. - Lion, parent, loss, abandonment of all of the things. Destiny. - Yeah. - Love. - Mm-hmm. - You know? - Nala was out here looking kind of good for a little young. - Hey, hey, hey, hey. - It's an animal. - I hear you, bro. - I'm starting with the eyes. - You can't start with the eyes. - Okay, cool. - You know, don't let me talk to you like that, my show, bro. - That's what I'm saying. - Oh my god. - You asked me if I see-- - Old bunny ain't hot to you. - Uh-huh. - Just grab me hot. - But can I tell you something? - Just go with the bunny different, though. - Wow. - Fuck, it's lowly bunny. - 'Cause she walks on regular legs. - She humanoid. - She got here. - Oh. - Nala is a real lion. - Niggas and rules is good. - You know what I never thought of? Because their cartoons, what age are these things? Like how old is it? - Ooh. - Now you've got us being weird, man. - No, no, no, no. It's really just how old is like Bugs Bunny? - I don't see it. He making it weird. - How old is Bugs Bunny? - What's it like? - It's like 300. - Niggas, it turns. - Oh, this is fun. - What was he supposed to be? Niggas, 20, 30, 40. - Whatever it is, like he was older. And his, him and his bitch was older than us, you know what I'm saying? - Elmo's three. - Who? - Elmo, he three. - Still-- - He's three the whole time? - He's just three. - Yeah, baby, yeah, yeah, always a baby. - Really? - How old are burdened aren't you, 'cause they roommates are already there. - They got to be old. - What is going on there? - They're grown up. - They announced that they were a couple. - They did announce that. - I don't like that shit. - I'm okay with that. - So very JK role is-- - They rewrote that. - Showed up late to the party. - I understand it for kids. For context for kids. For context for kids of understanding how relationships work. I get it, 'cause explaining gay to a kid, I'm sure is not as easy as it sounds. - It's easy as fuck. - Is it? - Yes. - Maybe. - It is easy as I have a son who's nine. And we talk about this all the time. And he'll bring it up and he'll ask me. Now he tapped me and be like, so he gay, huh? And I'd be like, and I'd be like, hey. - He is. - He is. - And we always go over that there's nothing wrong with this. And the people are just gay. The people who are born, heterosexual people are born gay. It's not that hard. It's only complicated if you're fighting something internally. - Are you trying to attack me right now? - No, not you. You're talking to kids, aren't you? - Well, no, no, but I was asked. The reason was when I was younger. We had a neighbor named Mitch. And Mitch was gay and I didn't. Mitch used to take us to baseball games. All these normal things that were normal to me. And the idea of gay as a young kid to me was this feminine thing. And it's like, oh, obviously I learned other things. But as a kid explaining that to me to make no sense, it was like, he's not gay, he watched baseball. Like what? And as a-- - Yeah, as a-- - You don't, when you don't share it with, yeah. - With Masculinity. - Masculinity is a reality. - Yeah. I think it's like normal. - This is why I believe in the gay agenda. - 'Cause they made us say this on the show. - No. - I'm gonna say you must not get paid, huh? - When I say I believe in the gay agenda, people go, do you think that there is a gay agenda? And I'm like, yes. And if there's not, there should be one. And I'll tell you why. - Oh, that man, they'll have to keep it back, don't he? - But let me-- - We're not even gonna fuck it up. - Hey, oh, no, no. - I was like, in my head, I was like, what is he got this-- - But let me tell you why. Let me tell you why. So if, let's say, like, some years ago, they were making super boy. Super boy was gay. Like a Superman son gay, right? And everybody's like, why you got to show this to kids? It's sexualized to kids and stuff like that. So I did something real quick. I just went just a regular Google search of Bugs Bunny and Lola Bunny, of Mickey and Minnie Mouse, of whoever that has a girlfriend or a boyfriend. - Of course. - By all it is, right? Because kids understand that they have emotional, romantic feelings and they see that represented, like in the things that they watch and it normalizes. - I agree. - So if you want to normalize gay relationships, then you should talk to and expose kids to them. - I agree. - It is not an exploration of sex. It's an exploration of how people love and connect. And so when I say an agenda, I mean, purposefully showing people like that all of these things are with the inspection of how we live. - I remember growing up, I agree with you. 100% I remember growing up like, you know, you come from probably more conservative backgrounds. Like some of the parents and stuff. Like I think that a lot of times people end up believing. I know at least for me as a kid. I know these stats are not real today or whatever, but as a kid, it was my first was to hear about people being gay and my uncles and them was like, but only 4% of people are gay in the world. Why do I have to see it 50% of times on television? - So they believe there's an agenda 'cause they're like, this doesn't actually represent, I don't agree with this again. I'm just saying how people probably felt in those moments like this doesn't actually represent the, or mirror the worlds on the speak versus this feels like you're putting a lot of emphasis on this group. It's only 4%. Don't agree again, myself, but I feel like my uncle and my bad people like that back then felt like, oh, this is being pushed on us and it's not enough people actually to represent this community to be put in every single thing. - Yeah, well, I honestly, I disagree again. - Obviously, I disagree with that. Also, this is across the board for everything. Like, immersing people in all different types of walks of life and experiences is the reason why we talk about representation and shit like that. The reason why we have these discussions is 'cause you should not have to know about my experience on accident in case you meet me. I don't know about yours on accident. I look around society. I see yours everywhere. I see people who look like you, who worship like you, who act like you, and they know accident, you put it in my face. You're telling me what a normal American is. Heritage American is. So if we're gonna share society, then we should share experiences. That's it. - I feel like history is a pendulum too. And that whichever way it's swung, it must return. You know what I'm saying? And so so much subjugation of gay people for so long can only result in eventually, like you said, an intentional concerted effort to have representation. - Same way, I think about that with the Me Too movement. Like women being oppressed for all of human history and shit. And the table's starting to turn and how that naturally has to be a drastic swing, you know what I'm saying? - I think that's with a lot of things. It's like everything in just in culture in general is like it goes one way and then it has to go the complete opposite way. It's never gonna be this fine line or this gradual like going up. It's always gonna be up and down and up and down and left to right. Because naturally anything that is pushed one way, it's going to be opposed by somebody else. And then by the time it gets opposed by somebody of those other people are gonna get there and then it's gonna be the opposed opposite way. I just think that's like, yeah, like you're saying, like a never ending cycle that we'll never defeat. - In the incoming backswing from this extreme conservatism shit, what can be pushed through, you know what I'm saying? Because this shit has swung so goddamn far. What can be pushed through in the backswing? - I mean, anything can be pushed through as long as you're willing, as long as you have people that are willing to actually advocate and operationalize on behalf of people. Like there are certain problems that we have and these problems are a product of society, right? Always exist in some regard. And then there are certain problems that we have a majority of them, a large percentage of them, that are purposefully engineered so that society can extract winners and losers from it. And I'm not, I ain't got no time for a hat on, but that's just fucking true. The fact that the matter is, is that the neighborhoods that a lot of us come from, the reason why those neighborhoods are like that is because of purposeful disenfranchisement and defunding. That's it, there's no way around it. There's too many examples of it. So if, in fact, there's somebody that's willing to work for you that says you need a good school, that you need a grocery store, that you need a hospital, that you need a bank, that you need all of those things, then maybe they can leverage power to get that. But if that person by the time they've gotten to the person that they're on is thinking about themselves and how they entrench themselves in the position that they're in and perpetuity, then they'll really give a fuck. And in their search for power, maybe you'll get something, maybe you won't. So to answer the question, if the pendulum swings back to a place to where we can adequately identify people that are working on behalf of people because everything else has been so free, then we might pick up some wins. - You said a 10-foil hat, I thought about. Doesn't MIA got a 10-foil clothing line? - Yeah. - What does the meaning of I don't have a 10-foil hat on? That's like not full-blown conspiracy. - It's like, yeah, the 10-foil hat, I think, originated from like the alien belief and like the waves and stuff, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I thought you meant like alien-level waves. (all laughing) - I'd be crazy. - I'd be crazy. - Boyle hat, it's like an alien frame. - I would be crazy. - I'm a question for both of you guys. If you had to pick somebody who is alive currently to be the president of the United States, who would you pick? And then obviously why? - Like my reason. - It was just good. - I don't have a true answer really for this question. That's why I'm asking, you guys, my answer would be-- - Is the rug, we talked about this. - Shut the fuck up. - Shut the fuck up. (all laughing) - You got to get it from all fucking to the gas station other day. You know how you just walk into the middle of a random conversation. The gas station attendance would like, man, that's why I think the rug would be the best president. But that's where we're at. - This is a conversation. - I break my heart. People have those conversations constantly. - And you're just like, this is how people are off the deep end at this point where people are like, maybe the rock who also served us on television can do a better job. - Like the smartest person in my life as a child was my mother. In my head it would be like, oh my mom. Obviously I know she can run a country. I love you to death, mom. - Damn, she's like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. - No, she's like, I ran your household. - She'd just be like, I tried to do it all these months. You know what I mean? She's like, I'm not trying to do that. But I just think like the bigger issues, we just don't have somebody to replace someone. Like there was not, candidates were hot dogs and hot dogs. - No. - You, I mean, you, I mean, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, slow down, slow down. What I mean by that is like, stop. You ain't, you ain't land, no. - No, no, no. I think the system is, there's two parts of the same system. - How much of this do you feel like, in general, 'cause I feel like whenever I'm like thinking about the news or I'm reading and getting more into the politics of the world, just going on that you just feel exhausted and stressed and you actually feel like, yo, not that nothing can be done. But as you be like, damn, I don't want to feel defeated. But these systems are put in place and you feel like constantly it's just the game of, you know, cat and mouse. You make you feel close enough. - It's exhausting. - Yeah, it's just an ongoing chase that you'll never. - Well, I think I'm on self in that way. I'm like, man, you know, being in the fight and being a part of the fight, constantly, you like, but damn, how the fight don't stop. And they never will, 'cause there were so many people who came for me this ball, and I appreciate all of them. But you like, then this is what life is for us on this side. It's just fighting every day for these things. I'm not saying we don't, I'm not saying we don't. I'm just, yeah, I'm just more saying, like, you know, it's just constantly exhausting. - It's better when you can laugh at it though. - It is. - It's a lot better when you can laugh at it. - That's, I think what gives me the most solace is like being able to just find the joke in it. Yeah, man, 'cause it's still hilarious at the end of the day, but like, you know, it's heavy. I did get cussed to fuck the sleep the other night, trying to talk to my girl about some damn thing. Get the fuck out of here. She was like, she wasn't fuck with it. She cussed me to fuck the sleep, nigga. At the end of the conversation, we sit in there, and I'm like, and she's like, okay, so tell me what would be the answer to that? And I'm like, are you gonna let me respond? - She's like, no, I like that. All right, I'm gonna go to sleep, like, in defeat. You can't say it, like, I got cussed to sleep. It was like my reality, that was exhausting. - When did you get deeper into politics? I don't know how long you've been into it. I don't know how much you, when the moment was, was there like an epiphany that happened, or was there something that happened around you that made you be like, damn, okay, let me, like, read it into this more. Let me pay attention more, let me care more, or was it always something on your mind, or was it always like your family was the thing about it? - And that could be both of y'all, too, 'cause I don't know that one, your side as well. - Man, when I was 17, I read the autobiography of Malcolm X. - It's big for that term. - I'll do it. - And from there, I was just straight politicized. I started reading, like, QEP, Newton, Assad of Shakur, Kwame Ture, just like that whole Black Panther Party movement. That was my first tattoo. You know, 17 was like a free, Huey tattoo. And so I was always political. It was always in my work, and the shit I was on, but probably about 2016, when shit just started hitting the fan. - Hitting the fan was like, you know, when I started to be more expressly concerned with it. But, you know, it was kind of always there. Shout out to Aja Monex, she gave me that book. - Brilliant. - Yeah, she gave me that book, man, when I was 17. - So, when I first learned what it meant to be Black, I was like six or seven years old. And I knew what it meant to be Black, but I wrote about this one time, I had an uncle, and the uncle used to ask me to read, right? And he would, it would be weird. Like, imagine we all sitting around and the family's around like that, and it's a kid, and then you just get a newspaper and somebody goes, "Hey, Van, come sit down right here and read this." And I would read it to him. He'd go, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no." Come and read it, so everybody could hear you read. And it got to a point one time where he gave me something, and I kind of shot away from it. And my dad was like, "What's wrong? "I don't want to do this, man." Like, "I don't want to like read." Like, everybody look at me like, "What's going on?" 'Cause I would know how to men in my family would respond when I did something that they liked. When I wrote a horse, or when I shot good, or when I did all of this stuff. "Oh, look at that boy here, motherfucker, man." And he's like, "What boy, whatever." But this would be different. He would look at me different when I would do this. And so my dad tells me, he goes, "Well, he can't read." And he goes, "When you read for him, he sees you at six or seven years old, and it floors him. "It makes him feel like something is happening and changing." He cannot read because he is a black man in the South, and we were intentionally and purposefully undereducated. I never forget this. My dad laughed when he said this. My dad goes, "Man, white man, tell us to go get an education, "and that's going to get us out of our situation." He goes, "When a white man get mad at us, "first thing he do is burn the school down." And then my dad started laughing. And I was thinking, "That is not funny." Like what the fuck are you laughing about? But when he was telling me that everything that I saw in society, I started to see that and everything. Well, so black men are not supposed to read. Well, I also don't see as many black police officers. Can black people not be police officers? I get a book about Jackie Robinson. I go, "Black people can't play baseball." So we have to struggle to read. We have the struggle to play baseball. We have to struggle to go to the doctor, we have to struggle to, and then it changed the way that I looked at the world. People that would see me now will look at me from the sixth grade, all the people I went to school and be like, "Yeah, you ain't changed." 'Cause I still cannot fucking wrap my mind around that. And people think I'm bullshit and they think I'm obsessed and I am, I don't get that. That pisses me the fuck off. So if I go to a restaurant and I see you in the restaurant and you black man, what's up? You say if you're good, like whatever's going on, like I fuck up and mess up all the time. 'Cause the pisses got a lot of rules and sometimes we don't play by 'em. But like what I'm saying is that overall, I look at America and the world through the lens of my existence and what they said we wasn't supposed to have and what those people did not fucking have and what those people were super fucking excited would cry when they saw that I had it. And so it's not gonna all come at the same time. It's gonna come at different points throughout our entire history. But to me, them old black people from South Louisiana, nigga they proud, they proud, they not, they proud. They like look, they don't see things in the same way that we see 'em. Just like they didn't see 'em in the same way that their parents saw, they're proud and gotta keep making 'em proud. And it takes a deeper systemic analysis than we've been capable of doing before. But man, we got all the people, Vic, man, Vic. Read this, nigga. (laughing) Read this, nigga, if you ever read the book that Game of Thrones is based off of? - Yeah. - You did? - Oh, I like this question. He ain't read it? - I don't know. - You read it. - Big fan, he's big fan. - I read something. - 'Cause like fire is what? - The song of fire and blood. - The song of, so y'all read the book. - I read it. - Fire and blood. - Yeah. - Yeah, with "House of the Dragon," I read "The Night in the Seven Kingdoms" that Game of Thrones, I read that. Like, if you're watching the show or after you maybe saw "Gaftar Rome." - Aftar, okay. - Did you watch "Game of Thrones?" - I love "Game of Thrones." - You watch "House of the Dragons?" - Man, I've been locked in. But this season, though, this season, actually I haven't seen that much. I was low-key acts in "Van" to tell me like what happens this season. I only saw the first, I saw the last season. - The older I get, the more, not the older I get. Let me say, the more I watch "Game of Thrones" the more that it's just politics and the understanding of it, it's like-- - I don't watch "Game of Thrones." - It's so, it's so political. Everything's about cutting nigga through it and doing this, doing that. - It's hard though. - But then when they get into what the king needs to do with around the city, I think is the more interesting part to them. Like, we don't have any land. They call the land to the dragons. - It's like, it's the dragons. - The dragons, yeah. - They want to eat the dragons. - The dragons is guzzling with water. - It's interesting to watch politics be told in that way. - And because it's also like fantasy in a sense, it's hard to find those sentiments in fantasy. Like, "Star Wars" to me is kind of buns. - Star Wars buns? - It's slow down, slow down. - I love the world of "Star Wars" but the story is kind of buns. - I'm just not this guy. - I'm not a "Star Wars" guy, you know? - It's just your fight, like you're fighting the Empire? All right. - Hey, man. - We need y'all fin to figure it out. - Hey. - I'm not about to go again to a whole deep thing. You have cut me deeply to my core. But no, but for real though, sometimes in fantasy though, like what you say about "Star Wars" is not true. But sometimes in fantasy, you know, it's easier to see those things though. It's easier to see, like that art is good for it's the perfect. - Actually, for that kind of shit. - That story is love. - It's one of the best. - Yeah. - One and two. - Right. - I ain't see that. - So it's up here? - So it's up here? - My kid not old enough to watch movies. - Okay. - Okay. - I haven't gotten it. - You saved that one. - You don't love it. - You told me it's essentially-- - And I wanted to watch "Guardian Game of Thrones" but it's like since this one came out, it's the first time "Guardian Game of Thrones" has been a house of dragons been house since I've been a father. And like I tried to put it on while he was around and nearly was getting impaled with swords. That first episode of this new season was all war. It was just, "Straight's I love that shit." - I love that shit. - They all got black names. Jacarius, Damon, Reneira, Ray Nero. - So I wanted to come from the project. I knew like three people from this project called "Orture" that Chicago with names. I think it's got "Guardian Game of Thrones." Especially Jacarius. Shout out to my nigga Jacarius. He's still out there, "Guardian Game of Thrones." - So I gotta watch it just for ya. - Bro, it's amazing. Just give it a chance. He doesn't like anything that has a majority white people. Like, have you ever seen the OC? - But they got the C-snake. The C-snake and the fuck the thing about the C-snake in "Guardian Game of Thrones" is that they made the only black character be a deadbeat ass daddy. - They know what they do. - Character. - You all support this. - Not only is they all-- Not only is all that-- - Yeah, but the only black one got to be on there with his son. The main-- - Oh, yeah. - The main story lines is that he's with his son. And he like-- - Manila, my son. - Nega. - He's-- - He's-- - He's not watching. - He's here. - You see? - All the way happy. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can tell me. - The other thing that's more important-- - The other thing is, is-- - He had his son who was gay. And his son who was gay, he was like, that's my son, but like, he ain't give you no kid. He ain't give you no kids. - Oh, his life's getting son. - And his life's getting son-- - So his colorism too. - Is he accepting his life's getting children, but his dark skin-- - No, he didn't accept the life's getting kid. He didn't accept-- - He's like, he, he, he left. - He left. - But his gay son then was like married to-- - Renera. - Renera. And so then they got the two white kids, right? Or, no, but it's not-- - Three. - They got actually-- - Three white kids. - She got, she got bastards too. - She had the kids with her, like, her-- - Her-- - Gar. - Her uncle, and with her Gar. - With Sir, what's his name? - Bum-ass nigga with the cleft lip. - I feel like I'm a white man amongst black people having conversations right now. - I don't know what the fuck y'all talking about. I'm just in here like-- - I'm just in here like-- - But okay. - Okay, okay. - Oh, I mean, that shit is amazing, ain't it? - No, I, I believe you. He's not telling the question. It's not that I hate everything with just all white cast. It's not only, it's also I hate being laid to the party. - I see. - It was already happening in real time. And I was like, I don't want to get in here 'cause he's in four and watching the show. - But y'all already been in four of the shit. I'll come in after it's over and watch all the shit. - Just a one-fail shot. - Yeah, that's my thing. - Amy, Eddie, her dragon. - Yeah, Damon, the realist nigga, her-- - Damon, he went head up with a whole army nigga, Dolo. - Y'all better hope I play watch the shit. - They watch love Island. I was talking about that shit in the show. - I don't watch love Island. - You don't. - Y'all what they do? - They do. - I only see the clips. - Okay. - No, I don't know. - But have you guys seen the controversy around children in the blood bone? Have you guys read the actual book? - I didn't read the book but I saw the controversy. - You seen the controversy, did you? - Not a jury of women wrote the book and she's not happy with how they're adapting it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, I just wanted to hear y'all take on it. - I mean, my take is this. Like, I don't know what the fuck we supposed to do. Like, I'm serious like-- - Supported and not supported. - Yeah, the shit come out, it drop. I want to go see it. I can't go see it 'cause they did her wrong. But-- - So you're not gonna say all black. - But they got dancing interests. - I gotta see it in a fantastical way. - Bro, it's like a fat guy. - That was like bodies, body. (laughing) - Tunic, but like, 'cause you don't like the way another nigga taught. (laughing) - I mean, yeah, Tunic. - A stellar black guy. - A stellar class is just saying like everything that come out as soon as you get excited about something somebody go, you know that shit trash, right? I'm like, it's tough. - I think about the twig. - I'm gonna watch it, like it's the 20 black actors and all the people who like worked on it that were also hired to work on this film. And I'm not saying that she shouldn't, you know, come out and speak and get-- - I speak them truth. - If she feels that, and that's our actual truth, we don't know all of the details. What allegedly has been the conversation, it gives white Hollywood and Hollywood a credence to say, "Oh, we tried to give you a film and it didn't work." And I always think about those things and how it affects-- - The opportunity. - The acts, other acts, other people. - That should just be so bullshit though, because like black people be having to just accept anything or all of black people get blamed for-- - Backs. - A situation drawn south. Like I remember I saw the homie Nina the other day, she's a brilliant TV film writer, was talking about one of these black films that was coming out. And she was like, yo, all y'all go see this film now because how this film-- - Oh, her romantic comedy. - Yeah, with Coco Jones and Country Wayne, was in there. - Country and Landless just-- - She wrote that, but she wrote that, but she was talking about another film that was coming out. - She was talking about Will's movie. - Yeah, she was like with Regga Jean Page and Collie Bailey. - How do you do this right here? - How do you do this? - How do you go see this shit? - Because all this shit performs is going to dictate whether or not my shit gets greenlit. And it's like, man, that shit is just bullshit, that like-- - I mean, it is bullshit. - There is still a TV that shit is-- - Some truth to it, yeah. It's bullshit, 'cause we should be shit. - It's bullshit, but it's-- - We shouldn't be a trend. - Yeah, but it is real, it happens. - I've learned in my own ways the control that you are given or not given in those situations and circumstances. And when you learn that it's a painful lesson, but then you know the next time that when you get the opportunity that you're not gonna play with them. - What was your experience with the show back then? Like-- - Dave or Loiter? - I didn't know you worked. - Oh no, I didn't know you were on Dave. I was thinking about Loiter though, because that was like early. - There was no-- no, we didn't have any situations there that were like, we never-- We worked with Dick House on that. - I was just coming up with the stupidest shit you could do. - And they would let us do it. - And everybody there, honestly, you know the one thing is majority of the people on production side on that show were white, but nothing-- I can't think of one moment that happened that was made any of us feel uneasy. - No, I know, they're good whites. - Yeah, shut the fuck up. - Yeah, I know, I'm over there. It's not important to do the all thing it is for like a male or a friend of yours to be good at a sport. Like just in general, I for like them to be good at some kind of sport or just to have played a sport. Maybe they'd be good at it. Just have play sport. I got a homie who sucks at every sport, but he could jump really high. Okay, I got a homie to never play no sports despite being tall and strong, but he not going to get out. Okay, he did something. Okay, that's a sport. We're not going to get out of sport for sure. He just got a natural talent. Yeah, I just watched this clip. Like maybe not that too long ago, it was this video. These dudes being like ain't that more heartbreaking than watching your friend of 20 years. Dribble ball for the first time in a year where you didn't know. And I don't even think it's just all at basketball. I just think in general, if you like, I have a friend of mine who's really close friend of mine. And he told me he'd never play sports. Has bad never played sports. They don't even watch sports. And a little bit of me like, that's a little weird. Never play sports. Not bad, but I feel it. Yeah, my dad played soccer, but he sucked in basketball. I'm the deaf. There's so many of those, no, learning or teachings within sports that I feel like protecting our everyday lives. And you can use in your everyday lives where I trust you more knowing that you've been on a team. You understand how to play a role on that team. You're not a star at all the times. Like, so for me, it is important to see somebody play a sport because I think like, okay, you may be easier to work with in this way. Did you play any sport growing up? I played soccer. Soccer? I'm African. I think it corrected you quick. Yeah, it's just that football that we really believe you. Yeah, I mean, I played soccer and when I went to Ghana, I got mad nice. And I did martial arts, like since age five, I did. Cody just told me to actually. Roddy and play soccer. Yeah, Cody played soccer. Yeah, he played soccer with you. He played soccer up into like your whole life. This is funny. I asked him as yesterday. I was with Cody. Yes, then I was talking to him and I was like, yeah, it's time I sported with you. He's, I played soccer then I had a ride. I think he went to play the year, right? He played the year. He's, I played there. Yeah, I was like, okay, what's up? And he was like, yeah, Vic was on my team. I was like, Vic played soccer. And he was like, yeah, I was like, was he any good? He was like, Vic was really good. And I was like, oh, shit. Like, when was the game? Never tell me. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. Straying my blood. You who? Play. We whoed before way, way, way longer. We whoed before and then we did the three of us whoed. We did at that run. At that run. He was at the run. He was at that run. You know what? When I got into it. When you got into it. Yeah. Yeah. I know. You got to learn this straight. But I'm just understanding. I'm crazy. So, I know. You don't realize. But like, it was, it was funny because it got to a point with the back and forth and you did something I don't think I've ever seen before. You put your hand down. It was like, either we're going to fight or we're going to continue to play back. I saw him shit like that. He did the shakers hands. Like, you put the head and then you can't do it. And then you go wouldn't do it. And then I was like, That's why I'm like that's why I'm like that's why I'm like that's why - She's my mom. (laughing) - I love us, pack that nigga out. - Oh, fuck. - I'm with you on that now, though. - Am I gonna call me anything? Anything? - I don't give a fuck. - It's words. - It's words. And to me, it's just like, it's not a, I know who I am with myself, my character, all those things. So it's like, yeah, nigga, whatever. Sure, buddy, do you think so? Like, when Niggas get into traffic with me and like, he's flicking me off, he don't have me, I'd be like, oh no. (laughing) - I still struggle with this shit. I just, like, I still struggle with it, because I got nice to got a disease. I go out of my way to be so fucking cool, calm, and collected, and keep it real with people. So I still got that thing to where I feel like, if you, if I'm a bitch, then nigga, why I'm a bitch, you know, why I sterling at a bitch? And we're like, like, you know what I'm saying? So like, I don't know, I have trouble letting go of it. Yeah, I have trouble letting go of it still. And I'm, but, as I get older, you know, shit goes left so fucking quick, it's just not always fucking worth it. - You fight really good, too. - Yeah, a box. - You fight very well. - Yeah, yeah. - All right. - I watch your video as a sparring, like, you spar pros and shit. - That's sparring pros, yeah. - Yeah, so like, that's just, that's. - No, he, you know, he be boxing? - No, he be boxing. - Oh, brother, don't know. - Hey, don't you know what I'm saying? - I'm just saying something though, the boxing shit, those guys don't overreact to shit like that. - No. - They are so fucking confident. Like, they do not overreact to something. - Most people who have been trained, now I'm bringing it up only because, it's just a declip of Jonah Hill this week, and he will annihilate Nickas. - Y'all see this? - I'm so manified, I'm so manified. - Was in a press sparring with Jason Bate, man, and some other people when he was talking about him doing, and he was saying, "Oh man, I would annihilate anybody." He might have seized me on the street, the thing of that guy from super bad, just, "No, I would fucking break you." And I was like, they were saying that was actually the, the reaction or a take from someone who is new, who is a beginner. It ended up getting like this arrogance, it's fighting arrogance where you first started, you believe like, I can fight anybody. But I just thought it was interesting, 'cause I was like, "Now he's got to get pressed on these streets." - For sure. - Jiu-Jitsu, I will say though, man, Jiu-Jitsu is a great differentiator. Like, as somebody that trains a lot of martial arts just throughout life, I do recognize that a negative really knows Jiu-Jitsu. - It really knows. - It's another thing. - That's what you see on my ground? - On that ground, none of us that don't train it, know what the fuck to do with that at all. - We just walk away. - Just guessing. Like, I went and I told my motherfuckers, "I'm gonna let him stay right there. I'm gonna go and walk around this nigga." - Boxing, sensei, and shit, that when I went back to Chicago like 2020, or something like that, I started training, hella mixed striking. Like hella mixed martial arts striking, a lot of boxing. And so I came back and I told my sensei, sensei, "Majit, shout out to Majit." I was like, "Yeah, you know, I've been training MMA and shit, you know what I mean?" He's like, "Oh, MMA, you've been training that?" Okay, cool. Proceeded to just him meet up wrestling for the next 20 minutes. Like every time I think I'm trying to get up, you know that photo of Jimmy Butler, when he just like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." And then the nigga choked me out again. And I'm like, "Damn, I've been training every week for like years, but not that." - But all different parts of your body, they can move around, grab you in an ankle line. Get back up, get your shoulder. Get back like, move around like, if you are uninitiated into that, you're in deeper water than you are on any other stuff. - So you saying, "Johnna, we'll be y'all asses." - Shit, I don't, man, look. Everything that's on here is correct. - Everything that's on here is correct. - I'm here in this correct. - People be asking me to do that celebrity boxing fight. Shit, I would not do it. - I don't do it. I would never do that. But like, who would you fight? - Johnna Hill would be really funny. (laughing) - Let me tell you something. - If you lose it, Johnna, Johnna Hill would be funny no more. - You can't lose it, Johnna Hill. - Yeah. - You know, black people have had a tough few years in combat. - When Jake Paul was setting up all those fake fights. - I will say. - I will say. - All right, that's something to do with. I'll say, you gotta fight him, man. - Jake, we need you to go in there and fight Jake. - I'm gonna tell you. - He told me to do this. So look, back in the day when he had his, I think his first or second one, I came to watch his dealer house. And Jake, come to the gym. - Yeah. - Jake would come to the gym. Man, I'm not gonna mention this guy's name. But it was a heavyweight. That was going around the gym. I swear to God, talking about he could not wait to get his hands on Jake Paul, right? I'm gonna do this to Jake Paul. I'm gonna do it. He wasn't really a heavyweight. More like a cruiserweight. At some point, Jake used to train with, I think with the guy's name was like, be just a MMA guy. At some point, they just said whatever. Whoa, Jake wore his motherfucking ass out. - I think he's a real problem. - Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, - The bump. - The bump child to be exact. - Look, that nigga is a real serious piece of like work when it comes to boxing. And only because he has the time. - I don't know. - What are we doing here, guys? - Yeah, I don't know. - Yeah. - But let me tell you. - It's the amount of time you have to train. You got to think, all these other things got jobs or shit. You trying to be a boxer? - Let me tell you, let me tell you. - You got to go to your nine to five. Let me go to the gym. - Let me tell you what I'm trying to say. - You like, like, - You should be a good basketball player when you're not playing his basketball. - Well, this is what I'll say. So it's other guys in the gym. Don't get me wrong. It's other guys in the gym. Fritchie, Lewis Rose, all of those guys who are actual pros, Jay can't fuck with them. And he wouldn't try to fuck with them. He might, he might fuck around like James the Beast Wilson. Y'all might see James. Big heavyweight betraying the son on his stuff like that. That is a guy that Jay probably not gonna fuck with, right? Probably not gonna fuck with him. You saw what happened when he got in the ring with that, when Anthony Joshua. But that's not mean that he can't fucking fight. - No, he can fight. - No, he can fight. - Yeah, like. - Yeah, racist, but he can. - Ain't nothing worse either. Didn't erase his man in the fight. - But that's the fuck that thing about, yeah. - I want out loud. - Can't even dig it. - But even if you have to. - All that shit, the thing about all of Nick's men, like UFC, I'd be thinking about this because they be so goddamn racist. - Oh man. - These white niggas in the UFC, and I'm saying-- - He's damn their understanding, though, because the lie has been sold to white people that to have an anti-racist consciousness is to apologize for existing. So then when you have a nigga that's like one of the toughest people on the planet, like a UFC nigga, he like, "Oh no, I'm not apologizing for being white." And you know what? Fuck nigga. (laughing) - I don't know about it. - I'm trying. - Look at that. - He got us there. - Yeah. - Try and say something. - Do something. - My daddy said, "It's two things a man will never admit to." One of these that he can't play ball the other one is that he can't fuck. He was like, "You got me to do both." And that's just the way he felt. I didn't grow up. (laughing) I was just thinking about this nigga used to give me. - I ain't thinking about that. I ain't never had a homie like me. I was like, "I'm just glad I was so sure." And he was like, "I did. "I was just not doing what you should be the most." - Toxic, honestly. (laughing) - But we just brought like, "You just get. " - We've all had bad games though. - Honestly. - What the fuck? - We've all had bad games. - Maybe not in sports. - Right. - I've had both. - I've had both. - Every once in a while, man, Buncher goes off and I'm like, "Hey, what do you do?" - I shot it. - Hey, what do you mean? - I shot it, what do you mean do? - I shot it. - Sometimes I was just like just, not saying nothing. Just stand up and just leave. I'm like, "I'll be mentally lost." - It's like, "I'll be mentally lost." - Sometimes you can be mentally lost. - The only thing you can do is be like, "Well." (laughing) - Yeah. - Nah. - What else you gonna do? - I probably don't like that. - I never want to see her. - It's what it is. - You make me last quick. - You got to run it back. - Sure thing, I got to, you got me, you beat me in my once. Let me just run it back real quick. - She was like, "Oh, yeah." - Check it. - You were gonna be lose twice the road. - All of a sudden, I'm embarrassed. - Drugs. (laughing) - You got to blame yourself. - No, drugs don't. For real. - Oh, you say you got to come back at no time. - No, I'm saying it. - For real. - Dude, drugs. - Oh, okay. - You got to fall off on time. - If you fall off on drugs, that will be a, sometimes you can't move. - Yeah, I've never had that. - Oh, yeah, I've never had that. - If you don't really do drugs, like if you was like a, you know, I mean, sometimes you don't do it anymore. - But you know what? I will say, the public release of the honey pack, must be changed. Oh, don't talk about honey packs. - No, no, no, no. I had a great story. I probably shouldn't say that, but I'm gonna tell you this story. (laughing) - I'm like, well, you don't get the power going. - I don't get the power going. (laughing) - We can't, we can't say nothing about the honey pack. - I'm like, oh, what the fuck? I, like kids growing up today, I know they got it hard. - No, literally, no, I'm saying, but like yo, the fact that y'all got, honey, counter, viagra, you could just buy it anytime. You really ain't got no excuse, no. - So no one told me, when I tried the honey pack, nobody told me. - What, I was killing Niggas. - That there was dosage, that you're supposed to take like only a third of it or something. - The honey pack? - Say that. - Who said that? - Niggas, that's what I read. And I took a hole in one time. - Are you just taking any better? You putting in something like this? - Yeah. - And went to work. - I should suppose to do this. - And as soon as I, shot my shot, my nose started bleeding immediately. - No, no, no. - I don't want to hear it from my family. - That is crazy. You dig this hard for like 12 hours. - Like that too, you'll wake up with your shit still. - Oh, is it worth it? No, it's not. - I had to go to the airport one time. - No, I mean, it's not worth the fuck. - I'm like, oh. - I thought you might, I'm like, please don't pat me down. I'm off a honey pack right now. - Nothing would be worth it taking the honey pack. It's sure he like damn, I gotta pick something up. - He like, oh wait. - No. - Oh yeah, if you missed time it, no, I mean, please don't pat me down. - They don't wanna know. - Everywhere, everywhere. - The gas station. - Blue chooses the thing also. - I've never done a blue chew, but that's like, they advertise that everywhere. - I do say that everywhere, but I don't like that type of shit, bro. I feel like, uh-oh. - My dick. - And Niggas says that, but don't they come in and I'm not ready? - I just feel like a pureist. - My dick is never wrong. - Yeah. - Like, my dick works. - Oh, I like that. I like when you hit it with this. - Really? - If my dick decides that night. - It's hurt? - That we go in for a long time. We go in for a long time. But if that night, my dick says, hey, man, you got five strong minutes. - I'm not a G.H. over there. - Nah, my dick is never wrong. Sometimes my dick has embarrassment. I'm like, hey, you let me down. But it's like, as far as we're in this together, bro. - Talk to it, yeah, talk to it. - Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, - Yeah, trust God, bro. - Trust God. - Me too, squat to be honest. - Pray. - Yeah. - Pray. - I don't know if that-- - 'Cause I might not be the first to you. - It really might not be the box view. - It's not, okay. - So I'm saying you got to pray on it. - Yeah it is. But then they talk about you bad, though. - Who? - You pray. - It's all up. - If you pass on it. - They call you all kind of gays. - So, like, if you decide, for no reason, - It's all up there, it's all up there. - In college, specifically, like you'll talk to the girls and stuff like that, and they'll freak you out. And you'll be petrified of the shit. - Yeah, whether the girls tell you about another nigga, you'd be like, "Bro, let me tell you what happened." - They shit, that's small. - I ain't got more heartbreakers. - Bro, you feel so bad, like, one time-- - I hate seeing niggas in the streets where I know about baby meat parts. (laughing) - It's so bad. - Bro, it's so bad. - She talked about you, bro, it's bad. - It's so, it's so bad. - What happened is, you'll be talking to him and he'll be like, "She, man, tonight bro, we gotta go get these homes." Fuck, the shit I know of him, you'll be like. - Not you, bro. (laughing) - Everybody else, yeah. I think you said this one out. - I was like, "You a damn lie, you know you have to shit." (laughing) - Ain't no worse. - Ain't no worse. - Yeah, they ain't no worse. - Well, I was on the phone with two girls one time and starting about a home in mine, I had to get fake mad and stand up for 'em. (laughing) - You ain't never like that. - Oh man, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. - She's like, she's like, "Oh, yeah." You know, I finally got a chance to hang out with you boy. I was like, "Yeah, cool, it's good." She's like, "Yeah." She's like, "You know, barbecue, black people have a barbecue?" This actually happened. I was like, "Yeah." She's like, "You know how, when you have a barbecue, "a lot of black people like to come late?" And she goes, I go, "Yeah." She goes, "Well, your friend likes to come early." - Oh, man. - Man, she wrote a joke. I swear to God, a good one, like, she had material, and I was like, "Hey, it's wrong of you to talk about him like that. You should not be talking about his personal life." - He is a good man. - That's a good guy. - He loves his mom. - He bought you Chick-fil-A, and this is the way you talk about his legal, he nod around. - That's crazy. That's crazy. But you know what I'm saying, we're telling the truth. - Yeah, they will tell 'em like that. - They will tell the truth. - You gotta charge it to the game, nigga. - You gotta charge it to the game. - At the end of the day, he's still cracked. - And you gotta hide it. - You're late for letting them in. - I remember the first time I heard when my mom said, "In school, as some girl was yelling at him." And he said, she said, "Shit the fuck up." I said, "You got a small dick in you other than the front of the whole school." And he said, "And you sucked it." - I said that was such a good for his mom. Couldn't have said it. - Hey, but don't you feel like the-- I'm older than y'all, but don't you feel like that's more shit that you could say in college and shit like that. Now, when you were the woman, you wanna be a-- - More respectful. - Yeah, you wanna be a good lover. You wanna make sure she gets the full experience of who you are, right? - Yeah. - All three minutes of it. - But when you-- - I mean, I feel like I've always cared about that. Which is great. I don't-- - It's not sexy, it's not sexy unless you have a foot. - I agree. I've always been, you know. - You're gonna get to devilish with that. But you gotta go here, Rick Ross's first at all. (laughing) - You're gonna get out of this. - You're gonna get dressed as crazy. - I ain't even trying to know. - I honestly, bro. - Yeah, no, choosy lover. - You're having fun. - You're having fun like a levy you. - That's crazy. - Vic, you obviously have an amazing career as a musician and you did some acting in the shy. If I'm not mistaken, right? - Yeah, for sure. - Yeah. - And then you started the orange series. How did that come about? And how many oranges have you fucking ate? (laughing) - I didn't see levels as though, you know. I never get a cold anymore. I moved back to LA, man. And like, I woke, he was in between record deals and just looking for a way to express myself. And so I started doing those videos and it just started to make sense. And so I'm building it into a show. I mean, so it's good to see the way y'all doing this here. 'Cause my show, The Vic Mensa Show, is launching on the 26th. Congratulations on that. - I'm gonna ask soon, you know what I mean? Check that, you know what I mean? I got my boy van on there. - We did one. - Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. - Right me, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I was like, it's been the same thing, yeah. - I was looking at y'all's set. I'm like, this set is hard. I did my own. - Still didn't invite you. - Yeah, still. (laughing) - You're right past you. - The shady, the shady shit I've ever seen you do. You did not address the point at all. You go back there and start it. - What do you say? - You said like rock, rock, rock. - You didn't put me on the show didn't you go went shit. I had to go out somewhere. (laughing) - I ain't hit it, I ain't hit it. - I've never seen you like that. - I think it's an amazing thing that you do, I think it's like I love when somebody starts to career in one place and ends up somewhere else. Like this motherfucker started on the TMZ bus and ended up on a show and now is on another show and another show and it's always on shows. You started in rap, Steelo started in ridiculousness. I started just being a little homie and all these things, all these people have turned into these other things so I always commend it. - To take that fan base and then take that fan base and initiate them into something new. Like you spent up years building people and they didn't even know that one day they was gonna get their political information from you and they social information from you and all the cues and stuff like that, you growing them up. I think that's amazing. I wish everybody cared as much and did shit like that. - I agree. But do you feel like it's your duty as somebody that has benefited and like worked and hit pop all these years to also, you know, for me, you know, it's hard. I'm a big hit by fam, big rap fam. But do not feel like our genre of music and the systematically how I set up within the music industry is just like, it's the only genre that allows certain things. Like that allows things that-- - It allows the promotion of violence. - Constantly. I used this example, or I used this before on the show, I used it again as an example of its due name, Will Walker Jr., he can't even ridiculous this one time. - I don't know, it's like the country guy. - Country guy who, you know, he's like-- - Joke souls, but he'll be talking about-- - It's a modern dick in the-- - It's a modern dick in the-- - It banned him from radio, you know, for this. And I'm like, most of these things he's talking about within this are things that we talk about within hip-hop. So I looked at that and I was like, fuck, it's just crazy that you would be investing billions of dollars and to demize the black community in these conversations. But then the one white guy that has done this, you banned him and made sure he never touched radio again. - The main interesting is that hip-hop is just a reflection of where the people is at. And the people are poisoned in many ways systematically, intentionally. The people are injected with like corrosive food, the messaging, and not only the music, but movies, television. Yo, GTA V is the most commercially successful piece of media. - Of all time. - Where you can imagine your most wild, violent fantasy. Like that's just America. I feel like hip-hop gets turned into the scapegoat for all of America's crowning characteristics. Like America is, at its essence, a very violent and very toxic idea. The people that have been born into that in the lowest rungs of society are often those that turn to making hip-hop. And so they just express what's been handed down to them from the founding fathers. That's why I was laughing the other day about the young Miami son aware of my scamming ass. - Love it. - Very spiritual. - That's a straight family father's record. - See, I'll be father's record. - I'll be father's record. - It'd all be said there. - George Washington. Half full of slave teeth. Like scamming ass. - I think I saw you post the video, well. - Sure, get that movie straight. - I already post this. - That's great. - No, I will say, and this is probably just 'cause I'm the old nigga in the room. I will say this though. Like, it's one thing to analyze a choice matrix that somebody has, right? And like, if you got all bad choices, you're gonna make a bad choice. So, like, when you're younger, you think that the answer is the issue, but really it's the question. When you ask a question in a specific way, you can engineer that question to get a certain outcome. So a lot of the questions that we have to answer are bad straight up. If we are talking about breaking systems and resistance systems, once you have a certain amount of knowledge or access, part of resisting that system is resisting the engineering and the violence and the degradation that comes along with it. I'm not saying that they didn't give it to you, they did. But, like, I'm not gonna bring up anybody specific, but like, if we're talking about gun violence in the community, or are we talking about stuff like that, that scamming shit, I don't even fuck about that. - Yeah. - Still all the money from the places. - Yeah, for sure. - Right? But just know that if you still from them and you go to jail, they're gonna hit you harder, you're gonna stand jail longer, you're gonna be away from your family, and you will probably most likely create somebody else that gets into that same situation. So at a certain point, while I will never indict anyone for the choice measures that they have, what I will say is, when we get to a certain point to where we are in control of our messages, it can't all be that. We gotta resist it a little bit. It's a diet. You wouldn't just eat all Doritos. So it shouldn't all be spinning that. - Yeah, I agree. - I mean, if you put that in your head, it is going to have an effect. But, I think a lot of times we talk about respectability when we talk about songs like that, because we're embarrassed of the stuff. - Yeah. - And black people have absolutely no reason to be embarrassed in front of a culture of murderers, killers, thieves, and slavers. You can't get lower. Stop. You can't get lower. You can't get lower than what happened to you. You can't get lower than cutting the baby out of somebody's womb. You can't get lower than taking somebody out of their house cutting their dick off in front of their family. 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