Upon Further Review: Florida Enters Top 10 | Michigan & Penn State DROP OUT of AP Poll

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Get the tailgate involved as we go back to review everything that was in a wild, wild week for we will also have our update on the rankings looking at Florida's rise, looking at the team that is making us reconsider the entire re ranking the top 25 enterprise because we really should have known that Missouri was going to hang on. We'll get into much more of that along the way, I told you Missouri would hang on. I know I had faith, I had faith and that faith has been shattered we're questioning everything here on a Monday, but let's begin with a few items that initially sort of a bigger picture here, Danny didn't get a chance to get you on Saturday night. Here's what we know since the Oregon off next week, Dante Moore has been diagnosed with the concussion, Dan landing, indicating that the initial tests were encouraging, though timetable has been set for his return, though some of the biggest things that you were worried about given the violence of the strike. That seems to at least have been settled for now, again, ducks off this week. We'll revisit Dante Moore's status. What'd you make of Dylan Raiola coming in? What'd you make of the hit as we continue to have fallout from not just the result, 41-27, ducks pick up a big win in the Coliseum, Dan landing drops, come to death row speech in the post-game press conference. What'd you make of what happened Saturday night in Los Angeles, all things? I thought you saw one team step up in Oregon and you saw one team that still feels like it has stepped up to the opportunity in USC. This was their opportunity. They're at home. They've got a vulnerable Oregon team that appeared like, and they still can't play in defense. That just to me comes back to what is the issue with Lincoln Raiola's teams. They cannot be a complete team for whatever reason. He's tried multiple defensive coordinators. I know he knows it. I know he knows it's a narrative. I don't know why they can't fix it. The Dante Moore thing, I thought exactly what it was. I was like, oh, he got knocked the bleep out. That's what my reaction was when it was there. Then you see the fencing thing and it's awful and you're like, oh, man, how long is this going to be? This is one of the best investments they could have made was bringing Dylan Raiola. We were seeing it in the NFL all the time with all the starters that going down. We saw it last year with Turned Out Chamblis, who came in when Austin Simmons was hurt and never looked back. I think it's the most important position on the team, especially if you're a contender. I know that you don't drop that game and you're able to survive it. I do think it'll be interesting to see what Dylan Raiola does from here forward. If Dante Moore is out for three or four weeks, what does that mean? If Dylan Raiola plays great, we'll have to see there. Then USC suspending him, he was the right move, especially considering the reaction to it. Was it a necessary suspension? Yeah, I think so. Were you asked, I don't know, I mean, I'm not involved here. I thought it was a dirty hit and I thought his reaction made it like five X of what it should have been. The hit is not being suspended. The conduct is being suspended, but I think it was both. That's where when we talk about targeting, I think we're all frustrated with the rule and I think they've come a long way and getting it better and they can, you know, now that you don't get kicked out of the game and you can still get the penalty. I think that's a good thing. But I think there are sometimes when the targeting is so bad and so egregious that they should be allowed to dole out more significant punishment than just a half a play. And I think this would qualify as one of those. But then also the fact that he's over there celebrating and laughing and taunting is where I'm totally okay with the suspension as well. Yeah, I also, like sometimes you may, like I think in general, it is good that we are not kicking like guys who reject for targeting off the field like you have to go to the locker room, you know, because a lot of these are just bang bang incidental. I think the targeting rule is largely BS. In this case, if you know your player, you may want to just send him to locker room anyway to protect him from himself, like you know these guys nonstop. Like if you're, if you think like, hey, this is the kind of kid who's pretty clearly celebrating at for now in his defense, which I think is a small defense here. He was kind of celebrating it before he turned back around and realized that Moore wasn't getting up. You know, I, it wasn't like he was standing over him. He saw the guys clearly like knocked out, you know. But if you know your guy, you may want to be like, hey man, like let's, let's just head to the locker room now. So like the camera is not going to stay on you in a national TV game, you know, for the rest of the, for the rest of it. I think in watching it back, it wasn't quite as late as I thought it was. In real time, you know, but it was still late. And I think the difference is like, maybe he couldn't avoid hitting him. He could avoid launching into him in the way that he did that was the dirty part of it. That's the dirty part. Right. Right. I want to say like that. And they're like, oh, it wasn't a dirty hit. I'm like, this is 2026, like maybe in 20 or 2006, this is kind of like borderline. But it's pretty clear cut what you're allowed and not what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do. I think by today's standard, that was a dirty hit. Who was the guy? This was a couple of years ago. We would talk about this on the show and now it escapes me. But there was a guy that would constantly slide late. And it would work and it would pick up tons of flags like that year. Yes. I got, I like some of these quarterback coaches who were like, hey, let's, let's teach the guy to dive and get down, you know, like not, not, not the slide piece. Yeah. Like, when I crumble forward, I mean, just sort of like, they just get down, like they, they get down quick, like it's, it's faster. You're not penalized, like as far as from a yardish perspective, you know, um, when I played with Jake Plummer, he was a scrambler. They always kind of talked about he liked to dive head first because you get better yardage and you kind of protect yourself and it's kind of a weird spot. Like it's hard to hit you in that position. Well, a lot of these players are taught, especially if you played baseball. There was a popup slide where you just put your feet first, you kind of, you give yourself up, but you're basically a huge target because you're just sliding like he was, like you're erect, like you're up top. And so you make yourself a huge target where you are susceptible to that type of hit, especially if you wait till the last minute to what you said earlier, but about he didn't realize when he did right away, but when he started celebrating, he knew Dan Will what he'd done while he continued to celebrate, I'm not going to forgive him for that. Right. The on field celebration, he knew his action and all the key knew the, like the immediate result of his action on the sideline, like, yeah, he was on the field still celebrating while Oregon was surrounding Dante more. Dan landing was on the field yelling at him. Yeah. I'm sorry. The ambulance ready. Yeah. And his damn teammates were pulling him off the field. He's still sitting there doing like this to the Oregon sideline is Dante more is on the ground behind him surrounded by doctors. Yeah. I was talking about like the immediate celebration where he turns around and, you know, like all that kind of stuff, which is the first down anyway. Yeah. I was going to say like the context of it, too, is it wasn't a negative play. Right. You're celebrating like that's he wasn't celebrating a defensive tackle. He was celebrating a violent cheap shot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, Dobby shut the hell up. Nobody wants soft football. They don't want to ask holes. That's, well, everyone's got one. You just tried not to show it. It's just not. It's just, I mean, it's just, it's a different era. Like, I know, I think there are times like NFL patched my home seat yesterday. I thought that was awful. I thought that was soft football, like, and I'm one of the more old school ones who didn't like targeting and thought like, Hey, we're taking these hits out. I like the violence of the game. It's supposed to be a physical game. But I think this one was pretty egregious. I also thought the, the roughing they called on USC late in that game for when the guy touched like real was head was soft to sell, but they really called it because of the Desmond Stevens hit earlier. They need to make some kind of modification to, to rough in the quarterback where if the head contact is a continuation of you trying to bat the pass down, then like it's, it's waived off. Right. Like if you're swatting a pass and your hand is a pit in the quarterback's head, that's different than if you're throwing like a forearm, you know, shiver to his head. You know what I, you know what? It's just about just quick follow up on Dylan Raul and why the offense looked like really good. The thing with Dante more than I was frustrated with and the entire team was there was a lack of sense of urgency. Right. I mean, that's something we've talked about. They just look like we're going to be fine. We'll pick it up. And Dante more is a very chill quarterback. Like he's Mr. Cool and he kind of jokes around and he's just not flustered at all. He doesn't get upset. Raul came in and I think the team kind of like woke up like, oh my gosh, we have to all play better. And Raul is a little bit more. He likes to chirp a little bit. He likes to. he's just more energy that was positive that I thought was pretty palpable and I thought his team responded to him. I thought he played good. I don't think he played phenomenal. Like, I don't think he's ready to unseat, on seat Dante more just yet, but I thought the team responded, which is a wake up call that this team needed. - Yep, yeah, again, one week off for the ducks before they return to action. They will be next against, oh, next is gonna be UCLA at home. They follow that with Nebraska at home. What about the, Danny, what about the Lincoln Riley side of this? Is it, I mean, that was a tie ball game in the fourth quarter. Couldn't get the stops against Oregon's backup quarterback. Your frustrations, your criticism are right there. Do you foresee this team being able to just continue to stack? I mean, they're still talented. They can still score with anybody on their schedule. What do you see the path forward for the Trojans and the wake of the loss? - I mean, it is time for them to respond and you hope they do, but I mean, what kind of faith do you have in this defense? 'Cause it's not only Oregon that they struggled with. They struggled with Rutgers in San Jose State. Like, that's a very, I mean, it just is not a good unit right now. I think, like, and if you're a USC fan, you're right now right now, and I think deservedly so. Now, Oregon might be that good. Like, they're starting to get things figured out. They might roll, but I think you better be 10 and two. Like, and I think that's the goal from here on out. And you wanna make the college football play after you don't. I think it's a failed opportunity. 'Cause I think Jayden Miles is really good. They have some really talented players that they got recruiting in some of these young players. So, I understand the frustration. If you're nine and three, this is a disappointing season for USC, especially considering where you play to Oregon, while Oregon was vulnerable. Right, parse that five and 14 record real quick. Because he's five and 14 against ranked teams with three of those wins came in bowl games. Or two of the wins came in bowl games. I thought you were gonna give them. He's got three regular seasons against ranked teams and two of them came before Caleb Williams pulled his hamstring in the PEC 12 championship. One has come since. I thought you were gonna give him the bit. I thought you were about to say, hey, let's parse that five and 14 in a way that doesn't look as bad. No, no, no. No, I made it look weird. That's a five and 14 that actually looks worse. It's a misleading five and 14. Congrats on that win over Louisville in the holiday bowl. I think it was and then somebody, yeah. Like Tom, when you think about this USC team and like the pieces that you would wanna take going forward, like in rallies kind of way down the list. You know, it's all the freshmen who are making good, really good plays against an organ team that like Danny said, appears to have gotten right. It's Chad Bowden, who's assembling this roster. You know, like now graded my eva, you're gonna lose him, right? And I thought he'd do some abs just now. He was like, wait for it. You would take like, wait for Bowman, right? Dixon Wyatt, right, Mark, Mark, Mark Bowman. Yeah, exactly. Like, there's a lot of young pieces that I think is a good foundation for like a really good team for USC as they mature. And I think it says something like, most of their best players are that recruiting class. Or at least most of their, like most promising players are that recruiting class they just brought in, those kids who are mostly 18, 19. But like, does anything about Riley say, like you want him to be the guy leading you? But the buyout number is like, what, 60 or 70? Yeah, they can't fire him. They can't afford it. He's not a landing spot or something. Yeah. That's my NFL, maybe, you know, maybe there's an opportunity. My response to prior to the game, and what kind of like job pressure is Lincoln Riley under, I have pointed to that number one recruiting class as a way that might have extended the window or moved the goalposts a little. Is that, would you agree with that? Is that a fair read? You gotta hold on to it. Yeah. But it's like, you can't say that a team that's overloaded with true freshmen is like, this is the all-in year. That's normally not the way college football works, right? So I wonder if even though this feels like a wasted opportunity, if you let Jayden leave and you haven't made the college football playoff with them, I agree with that. I don't think it would get him fired if they missed the college football playoff. No, but if they go seven and five, they might be done dealing. Speaking of job changes, the Illinois fighting align, I already make an adjustments to the staff. Tom, do you have an official statement from the desk of Tom Fonelli or your thoughts on, what was an unconventional hire? You know, Bobby Hawk steps down from his post, long time head coach. Now he comes in to be the defensive coordinator. If I remember my timeline correctly, Billima kind of had it in the works, but wasn't really able to talk about it for a while, which gave me the idea that he was excited about what this could be. What's your sense of the path moving forward? 'Cause we shifted into a different scheme and that was all the talk going into the year. Now that we're, are we gonna change our scheme again? Are we just kind of gonna kind of fix this? What's the game plan? I mean, I haven't been shy about how I feel about this defense. So I'm not gonna sit here and pretend I'm upset about the decision. - Sure. - But the problem is, on the one hand, I'm happy that they're not just gonna pretend that this is gonna work and keep trying to drag it out to see if something can change and they're actually ripping the bandaid off. The problem is it's too late. Like your four games into the season, you're not able to completely overhaul your defense when you've brought in an entire staff. It wasn't just how they brought in guys who from Montana to who are used to running this defense. They brought in players that are meant to fit this defense after losing a whole bunch in the portal to other P4 programs. So this isn't something they can fix on the fly. Maybe you get somebody with more game-calling experience in game than how it had that helps cover up some of the mistakes that you can say that you're making. I mean, Jeremiah Smith and single coverage as much as he was on Saturday was kind of a head scratcher considering what Jeremiah Smith was doing to you in that game. So maybe they get a little bit better on that side. It's just, I don't think this defense is near good enough that you're really going to see an improvement and to kind of drive it home. Like this is both a reason why Illinois is making this move. And it's also reason why. I mean, I was going to save a little bit from on further review, but just maybe if you're a Ohio State, some concerns. Illinois had 462 yards of offense in that game. It's the fifth most Ohio State has allowed at home under Ryan Day if we don't include the 2020 season when the stadiums were empty. The 199 yards rushing was the third most Ohio States allowed at home behind only the 2021 loss to Oregon and the 2022 loss to Michigan. The 2.11 points per drive was the fourth most. Ohio State's defensive success rate of 55.4% was the third worst they've had under Ryan Day. The 18.31% explosive rate was the worst they've had by miles in a game on defense under Ryan Day. And like Illinois's offense did its job. They only had 19 points, but they were moving the ball very effectively, and the defense just completely gave them no help whatsoever. And that has been a problem with them in the Duke game. It's been a problem with them all year. And another point to mention here, like all those numbers where Illinois's third, fourth, like fourth worst in Ohio State under day, all the games that were worse came in the 2022 or 2021 season. Ohio State's defense hasn't looked as bad as it did in five years on Saturday. And they still won the game comfortably because their defense just couldn't, Illinois defense couldn't do anything. So I'm betting that kind of frustration, played a role in this decision being made after that game where it's like, man, our offense went out there and did everything we could have asked for it to give us a chance to win this game. Defense did nothing. Tom, how much do you put on the higher? And how much do you put on Illinois, like not spending the money or not having the money to spend on front seven players the offseason? A lot of the narrative we heard was, hey, we don't have enough money to get good quality defensive lineman here. We're going to have to try to junk ball this defense. We can't throw fastballs. Bobby Hockness had to run this alternative style of defense. How do you kind of weight those two things? I think they're both pretty much 50/50 on it. I think the money played a decision in it. But I also think Illinois, they lost a lot of defensive line in the portal. And Illinois had a plan. They had like a budget that they were paying a lot of the guys. And then the market changed particularly in the SEC where guys on their defensive line who were getting paid pretty well in relation to the rest of the big 10 got like double the salary offers from SEC schools. And then once that word gets through the locker room, guess what? Every single player is suddenly asking for a raise. So like when they had to go spend in the portal to bring in house or who has been spectacular for them, like a lot of the money got eaten up on the offense because they had to replace their entire offensive line. They needed to do quarterback. And they invested a lot under that side of the ball. So then suddenly the defense comes in late, starts demanding more money along the defensive line. And you're kind of in a position to where, OK, we got to make a change. But at the same time, Illinois was running a bit of a 335 last year. It was just a very different version of it. There was more like a hybrid of what Ryan Walters would typically do. But they just changed the personnel a little bit. So I think the scheme change was mostly, well, it'll fit our personnel that we kind of already have coming back. Because we are stronger in the secondary. And it will allow us to go into the portal to get the guys we need to fill out the defensive line to replace these guys and fit the scheme. But I don't know. Like it's a little bit of everything. It's been a mess. It was a terrible offseason for Illinois on the defensive side of the ball where, and they're really paying the price for it. Like you look at the rest of their schedule. You look at how this defense is performed. Like getting to 6 and 6 or 7 and 5 will probably be a based on where they are. Now it would be a success. Hey, listen, these are the bets that are made every single off season. Do we have enough to get it done? Coaching staff has to look and say, yes, no, here's what we can do to change and you're never really going to be sure until you get out there and get a couple of games under your belt. To Raymond in the chat saying we should be able to recruit the offensive line and defensive line better. We did recruit the defensive line. Well, it's just a lot of those kids then entered the portal and left. In the offensive line again on Saturday, we were down to our fifth and sixth like guard on the depth chart and we were moving the ball. Our offensive line is fine. Well another, another offense that's doing just well and is getting a little bit of complimentary play. It happens to come from our FWA a pop Tarts bowl crazy good team of the week. Yes, we got the official announcement from the selectors from the all America committee of the football writers association of America and the pop Tarts bowl crazy good team of the week is the Florida Gators. Now obviously there's the headline stuff, right? No, you get Jaden ball run and wild. The team as a whole 300 in two rushing yards, they scored touchdowns on their first five possessions. But when we're talking about a team being crazy good, I was thinking about the complimentary piece of this that even when Ole Miss makes their charge, you've got a big kickoff return from London Montgomery to help set up a touchdown to extend that lead. Then you get a sack by Jaden Woods to be able to strip the ball from Trinidad Champles. Even when this Ole Miss team that we knew was going to be able to have the potential to really push the Gators, they climb back in and then Florida found a way to extend it. A crazy good team will discuss their ranking here in just a little bit in polis assin, but BK is Gator Dan back. There has been some conversation as though like maybe Florida is the team that we should be adopting and be a Gator pod this year. Would you make about Florida's performance in Gainesville on Saturday? Gator Dan was here before the game against Ole Miss, believe in they could do just that. The really domination I think was pretty, I mean, that was a dominant performance. John Sumrell's energy and enthusiasm is infectious. The team is playing with a ton of confidence right now. I think Duke Scott was a, whoa, where did this guy come from for a lot of people to see some depth that running back? Eight different guys caught passes. They're spreading the football around, filo, I think is only going to get better. I will go back. I think at the beginning of the season, I said that the Gators like ceiling would be terming like where was filo. I think he's already established himself as like the top third of the SEC quarterbacks, which might be all they need. And if he gets even better, then it's like you start dreaming about what potentially could be for Florida in the SEC, maybe that in the playoffs, like, I think they're legit. I think they got an interesting test against Missouri. We can talk about that later, but some people may laugh, but I think it's that type of year. Similar to what Ole Miss just had, that was an emotional win, all chips on the table. It's your signature win for John Sumrell. Now they got to ramp it back up against a Missouri team that I don't, you know, I don't think anybody thinks they're world beaters, but it's just a tricky spot to play against. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah, yeah, Gremlins in the machine, man. This is crazy. I've been very hot in Florida this whole year, but at the same time, a game was 24 to 21, like, in the third quarter. And then you had a huge kickoff return and a strip sack. And that. Back to back to blow it open, which like those count, right? Those are a little bit random and lucky, you know? We did think Florida's edge rushers would have some success against the Ole Miss tackles, and they did. I still think Florida's like a top 10 team. I'm not really ready to move them into the top five yet, you know? I think like, like, you know, tennis is a good spot for them, which is still way above preseason expectations for most. Now, Florida's never had to deal with the back debate, the way that Texas and Miami did throughout their time is they're trying to get back into contention. Feels like we put both of those to bed, but let's talk about a little bit of backness. This is the first time that Florida has been honored as the FWA national team of the week since September of 2022. So it's been four years. And this is an honor that they've received seven times going all the way back to 2009, but not since an opening weekend win against Utah, then ranked in the top 10 back in 2022. This 2022 season doesn't end up finishing the way you want. 2023 season, 2024 season, 2025 season. This has been a long time since the Gators have been standing out as one of the best teams in the country. And now here they are. 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PNC Bank brilliantly boring since 1865 brilliantly boring since 1865 is a registered mark of the PNC financial services group Inc. PNC Bank National Association member FDIC. Back here on the cover three podcast every single Monday, one way to see how all the pieces have fallen after a chaotic college football weekend is to take a look at the changes in the rankings. And we do that. Call it poll, Sassen. The Texas Longhorns strengthened their hold on the number one spot in the AP Top 25 poll now holding on to 62 of those first place votes. The Georgia Bulldogs just behind them with six first place votes. I will note that that is in the CBS Sports 138, which just got updated this morning. This is at one, Georgia's at two, Texas average ballot ranking 1.4 Georgia 1.9. So over at the CBS Sports 138, that's become a little bit more of a debate for number one, but the AP voters, they are all hook 'em. As you look a little bit further down, Florida is a massive riser, but said he's not ready for the top five. Neither are the AP voters. They move up 13 spots into number eight, Ole Miss comfortably sliding one spot behind them after the head to head loss in Gainesville, Mississippi State, another big riser coming out of the weekend. They are now four and no after taking care of business against Missouri, up eight spots to number 16. That's one spot ahead of Tennessee, which takes a slight bump after losing to the Longhorns. The USC Trojans fall as well, but we mentioned new faces, Oklahoma State. You are no longer burdened by that Tulsa loss. Your victory against West Virginia paired with your earlier win against Oregon. You're up in at number 19, Boise State, you're in after really taking care of business against Western Michigan. They've been hunting around the top 25 for a while now. As we mentioned, UCLA, they are four and no after the 54-3 win against Maryland, Kentucky, also in as well. Wisconsin does not get in after beating Penn State. The Penn State does fall out. Duke does not crack it, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech, some of the other teams that we mentioned that could be in the mix, not inside the top 25 in voting points. What do we see in terms of the changes? What are our criticisms for the AP voters? I'll start with Florida climbing as much as it did, on the one hand, that's kind of what you want to see. You want to see people reevaluate their preseason priors as you see actual results. Florida making that jump, I think, is a good thing, but also as you would expect with Florida, a lot of variance, as far as who was voting for who, as far as how high they were and how low they were, and I saw one voter was getting some grief from Florida fans, and he explained his reasoning. His name is Matt McGavick from WHASTV and Louisville. I think if he follows me, he might be listening to the show, Matt, if you're listening. I appreciate you explaining it, but I would also hear I'll read your explanation. Since you asked nicely, I'll actually explain. Last week I had Ole Miss at five in Florida rounding out my ballot at 25. In my eyes, giving Florida a 10-spot bump for one game a month into the season seemed like a fair move. I didn't one game a month into the season. I should get the proper, you know, whatever they're. I didn't want to put a team. I had 25th all the way up into the top 10 unless it was like the first week, especially since while their offense is obviously great. Their defense is shaky. Ole Miss, I still have top 10 because I'm very high on them and I still have them on them still, and they do have a great win over LSU. Okay. The problem with that is that's exactly what I'm talking about when I mentioned the slide them up, slide them down approach to putting together your ballot. There's no rule that says you can't move Florida from 25 into the top 10. They have picked up a win over Ole Miss. They had a win last week against Auburn. They have looked like one of the 10 best teams in the country. Just because you had them at 25 doesn't mean I can give them a 10-bump max because it's still early in the season. Frankly, early in the season is when you should be far more willing to make those kind of changes in your ballot because you have less data to work with. So if a team has looked as good as they have to this point, then you should move them up. And also just one last thing that Louisville at 25, they're two and two. Too many damn voters still have Louisville in their ballots. They're 500. I know they had the nice win, but they're 500 four weeks into the season. I actually had McAvics tweet pulled ready to read as well because I have the exact same response as you do. Like there are no rules that you should be wiping the slate clean, like throw out what you thought the first three weeks. Start from scratch. Like don't picture like I can only maneuver this team so much. What is wrong with that? Like if you think they're really good, because he did say I think this team is really good. Well, if you think Ole Miss is a strong team and you didn't want to drop them too far, I can't you think that Florida is better than them because we just saw it happen on the field and put them all the way up and make a more significant move. It makes zero cents to me. You know what? This has been really frustrating for me because it's just like here we go again. It's like the same story just a different year. But I do think there's been an emphasis this year on the good loss. Thank God. You see, I disagree, I totally disagree on the good loss impacting it right now because I don't think the expanded playoff is going to ruin the regular season. Good losses are going to ruin the regular season. Like they're supposed to be a penalty to losing on the field. And at the end of the season, we can evaluate if their good losses or not. Like right now, we might think they're good losses and at the end of the season, it might be completely different. I just why is the rush to say, well, we can't drop that team that much like, oh, they lost, but it was a really good team. So we can't drop them that much. Why not? Why not let them go out there and earn their way back up the rankings, earn their way back to where we thought they were. They lost. There should be a penalty to losing. And I agree. So, but I agree at the end of the season, Ohio State would be a great example because it's the closest loss that's out there. Like if Ohio State is a nine and three and that is the difference in them compared to a team that's 10 and two, I say, absolutely. That was a good loss. But I don't think you have to acknowledge that or do that right away. There is time to let it simmer and see how good of a loss it was at the end of the season. Sure. There's also time to give them credit for it now. And if the loss doesn't, if the loss looks worse, you know, as we go on, then you adjust to it then. Like I think not rewarding teams for playing well against other good teams creates the incentive to schedule fewer good games. But like do that at the end of the season, South Alabama, instead of Ole Miss, they're probably ranked. But to Danny's point, I think that would be far more impactful in the playoff than it is in the AP poll. Right. Like, so you leave the AP poll for a week. You're not going to schedule a good game in the future. Like, should we reward good losses more than good wins? I just want to see more good games played. Right? But again, that's where it comes back to work. And considering quality of opponent, I think it's the way to do that. Are you not seeing good games? I think the early part of the season was kind of shitty, man. To be honest, like, I think a lot of teams are scared to schedule big games. You see a lot of these cancellations out there. I want to see more banger matchups. But those cancellations are due more to the 9-game conference schedule. They're not because of the AP poll. I would just push back on that. I think actually they are. Like, because teams are punished for playing good games in the losses. So you should. Okay. I think teams are incentivized under the current setup to just try to schedule as many auto wins as possible. I think that you guys are talking from two people who are so far apart from each other in college football and AP voter and an athletic director who's scheduling, like, they, those two people are not connected. You know how else you can incentivize scheduling tough? Don't put them in the top five if they haven't played anybody through four games. Like, I don't want to pick on Notre Dame. So take Indiana because Indiana was a little dice against Northwestern, right? That was their first test. You know what would incentivize them to schedule tougher? Don't put them in the top 10 yet. Just say, I don't know, like, because we're not supposed to include last year's results. We're not supposed to include brands. Like that's Penn State. Penn State's a good example. Why was Penn State in the top 15? They shouldn't have been, and I don't know where to be found because they lost at home, but they shouldn't have been there. Like, I think that would incentivize teams. You know what? And why aren't we getting, why aren't we in the top 10 because you haven't played anybody? Like that wouldn't incentivize good, because then you need good wins to get in there. You need good competition. I just think we do things like backwards. I mean, like, why does Kentucky ranked in Louis? I don't know. I don't know. It's like Louis. No, Louis should not be ranked. But neither should Kentucky, Kentucky should, Kentucky should be either, like Kentucky be either ranked. I should be ranked. I should be ranked. I should be ranked. Duke 100% should be ranked. They have one of the best, even according to ESPN's FBI strength of resume or strength of record. They have a top 10 resume and they're not even ranked in the top 25. That is just a complete disrespect for Duke for the ACC, but it's also shows you the bias that comes in because no one thought Duke was going to be any good this season. So they're not even paying attention to him yet. Do you know what's a quality loss? Wake Forest losing by 13 to Miami. I see. If it was by three, I think they would get it, but because it was by double digits. But look at the rest of what Miami's done. Right. Right point. Yeah. I mean, it's just like you scroll up and down Miami season so far and it's just blood, bath, blood. Also, one more. So Kentucky, I think there was a good win. But if you evaluate week by week, how good was the win against Texas A&M following it up when they get boat race by LSU? Maybe that shouldn't have been such a great win. So then you kind of, that's what I'm talking about, like starting from scratch every week, you take everything into consideration. I'll also, I'll push back on the Irish thing a little bit, right? Like there's still an open question of how they look against other like playoff caliber teams. But the like the rosters they've played are at least like, and they're bad, powerful rosters for the most part, but they're at least powerful. Like they're spending 10 plus million on their roster. They're still a good bit better than the vast majority of these G6 or FCS games being played. And they're killing them. Yeah. Like that's not the whole story that that doesn't tell exactly what they are, but there's definitely signal there. If you go out and you kill every power 14, you play like I think there are, there's some measure of credit for that. Like I, I'm very, actually fine with them being top 10, top five. If you want to tell me to, one, I still want to see more on the flip side of that then should Wisconsin be ranked for being three and one with a good win over ranked Penn State and a quote unquote, good loss to Notre Dame. Maybe. I think if it was by three or they're in the pool, they're in a pool of teams to be considered. So a 28 point loss is a good loss. No, I just think that a three in one, I think three in one with a road win against Penn State gets you in the door for a conversation. And why do you put them like where you slot them kind of depends on you. Yeah. A 28 point loss is entirely within like the range of appropriate possibilities for a team that's on on the front of the top 25 to a top five team. So that's a good loss. You're out. You should be rewarded. I don't think any losses are good. But what you're arguing is essentially boiling down to his team should be rewarded for scheduling games that will get high TV ratings. No, that's not the case. But Wisconsin scheduled that game and lost by 28 and you don't think they should be punished for it because in your words, that loss was in a reasonable range of a top 25 team playing a top five team. Correct. If I'm saying, hey, is this a top 25 type team? Sure. But would they lose to a top five team like 28 game blows out at the end there? Like that that's pretty reasonable for a result, right? Like they're going to be, you know, three score dogs there. That's kind of the expectation that it was, you know, plus one score, right? Like that's within the reasonable range of expectation for a French top 25 team if you're playing a national title contender. So I should just schedule 12 top 12 teams go, oh, and 12 and get a playoff birth because I had the balls to schedule them. Why are you taking it as a playoff birth as opposed to French 25, like you're reframing this into the playoff, which is top 11 because we have the G6 as you said, you were afraid teams would stop scheduling good games. I think that right now, under the current format, they're incentivized to schedule auto wins. It's pretty clear, Tom. But I think we're arguing different things because you're talking about the playoff. Tom and I are talking about the top 25, the playoff thing, which is not we are arguing. Right. And like I am okay, if you reward, this is like this ingenuous to me. Right. I was wrong. That's fair point. I didn't think of it that way. That you're correct. I was wrong. Like I am okay with rewarding good schedules. If you keep it close and it matters at the end of the season and you're still a really good football team, what I don't understand is rewarding them right away. Like, oh, my gosh, like we can't drop Ohio State out of the top five because they had a close game against Texas, who's the number one team. Like, well, it'll figure itself out. Why don't we let Ohio State prove it? Last year, it was a Penn State. They lost to Oregon and over time at home and we couldn't drop them. So we kept them at seven. And then we found out they stunk like they could have, they probably should have been dropped to 15 or 17. And then if they would have won their way back up, it would have worked itself out. But I worry about it because everyone's like the regular season, that thing makes it special. And I agree. But we're taking from, we're taking away from that when we're going after loss, we're like that. No big deal. It's a good loss. Like, way to go. You'll still, you'll still be in the top five, top 10. I guess, and you're right, I took it in the wrong direction, but I guess what I'm trying to get at that I got, I did a really bad job of getting across, is that the good loss will play out over the course of 12 games. In September, we don't really need to worry as much about what we're doing. what a good loss is. We could just rank teams based on what we've seen because we don't know what a good loss is going to be. That Louisville lost the Ole Miss. What if Ole Miss finishes seven and five? Is that still a good loss come December? So giving teams credit for that now, I think we should, my philosophy is just reward teams for winning games. That seems crazy, I know, but reward them for winning games. That's my philosophy too. And that was like, so I sent out this tweet that got totally blown out of proportion because I said there were 12 weeks. Everybody's like, oh, he hates college football like he, because I said there were 12 teams playing ranked on ranked matchups. I said the end of the year, half of them are going to be on ranked. And it was because of that. And then I see a quote from Sark after they beat Tennessee. And he's like, we have seven more ranked opponents left. And the SEC benefits far more than anybody. So they love to harp on that. And then fans and I think AP voters too have a hard time separating themselves from it, realizing that Mississippi State Missouri game was the one that I was looking at being like, you know what, both of those teams might not end up in the top 25 at the end of the season, but you get credit for them. And then when they stay in the top 25, like Missouri does, if Missouri loses the Florida, it's going to be a good loss and they'll probably stay in there. Wait, Texas has the two best wins in college football this season? The argument would be that beating Ohio State at home in Tennessee road. I think there's an argument for it. There's an argument for it. But see, that's a, that's a thing because Tennessee was a, what were they top 15? Oh, that's a great. That's one of the best wins in the country. Again, Tennessee, what if Brandon, our phase on Brandon, like kind of struggles, he's impacted from getting sack 10 times in Tennessee is seven and five. And they finished outside the top 25. And no world, they have seven ranked teams remaining. They did on the schedule right now. That's my point. That's why I was getting ahead of it because I knew that we're going to say that and sure enough after the game, Sarc is at the pulpit, reaching clear for this. Did he say this before Oklahoma and A&M lost? Probably. We should read the sharp on his part. Yeah. Yeah. It was right after the game. We should really get like a hashtag going on social media. That's just Sarc says stuff because Sarc says stuff. But every SEC coach has it. I don't know. Sarc says they're on the same page. No, they get it because it helps them. It helps everybody in the conference. Sarc also blamed the media for a coach calling his team soft. Like Feldman reported that an SEC coach that Texas looked kind of soft to him and Sarc said that was the media's fault. No, brother, that's your fellow coach. He's probably in the same text chain you are. Yeah. Your ass is soft. Yeah, he went out of the group chat, texted Bruce and then went back to the group chat and gave a thumbs up to what Sarc said. Hashtag Sarc says stuff. Sarc says, be out here saying stuff. Look, I think that there's, I think that it is not nothing to discuss process here. College football has been a conversation sport for decades. People used to argue about the national champion. They used to argue about, you know, everything. This is, when I think about these teams, I don't think about what the tiny number is necessarily. Like though, I don't get hung up on that, but comparing them against each other, I think is very fun. You know, so this is, is why we engage in this is why polo assassin always continues to be something that people are going to be interested in. Coming up on the other side, we go under the hood, all the rest of the takeaways from upon further review and more next back here on the cover three podcast for this week's practical plays of the week. I thought there'd be a good chance for us to check in on those Notre Dame fighting Irish because Notre Dame did win 49 to 10 and you want to talk about being practical. How about getting out and rolling up 177 rushing yards against the boiler makers. You get four total touchdowns from CJ car, one three through the air, one on the ground. When we look at where Notre Dame has gotten so far in terms of being able to be practical about the way they are taking care of business handling it week after week after week. What stands out about Marcus Freeman's group so far? Tom, I mean, it's just they don't have to be anything special right now that they are playing teams that they are far better than and they are treating them as such. They're being clean. They are being efficient and they are just devastating squads. I mean, you mentioned it. They were able to run the ball very effectively against Purdue and that had been one of the concerns about this team heading into the week was the lack of explosive plays that they had on the ground like they were able to get, you know, good four or five yards per carry, but they weren't breaking off explosives in this game. They had the 22 yard touchdown run from an ES Williams. Jonas Walton had a 44 yard game. They were much more explosive in this one than they had been and that's just something that they need to do and need to continue working on to make sure that they keep winning games going forward. You want to talk about practical defense has been looking outstanding all season long Wisconsin's 13 points. Hey, rank Wisconsin, they're the only team to score more than 10 points against Notre Dame. I mean, that there you go. World beaters, rank wake for us because they held it within two touchdowns against Miami and Wisconsin because they scored 13 points against the fighting Irish defense just absolutely lights out, allowing just 20 points combined in their last three games. They'll be at North Carolina coming up this weekend. They host Stanford and then you want to talk about when we're going to see maybe things get impractical might have to break outside. They're going to have to head on out to Provo to play that BYU team on October the 17th. But for right now, Notre Dame, you keep doing what you're doing and that is enough for you to be able to continue your pursuit of a college football playoff and a national championship. Every single Monday, we like to take some time to clean out the notebook. Make sure that we got the things that we didn't get to elaborate on necessarily on Saturday night's reaction show late night action and more. We call it upon further review. You were terrible calls. Do you want to go ahead and jump in after further review? All right. Let's see. I know we've got a, do we have a Tom graph? We do. It's not as incredible as last weeks. Yack attack. It's got a great name. But when we talked to Jeremiah Smith at big 10 media days and we were asking about the Ohio State offense, one of the things he mentioned was that they were the worst yack team in the country last year and it was something they wanted to address. Now, he was very much overstating that they were the worst yack team in the country. But they're not very good in yack this year. This chart is showing the power for as you can see Ohio State is highlighted. That is a Yack per completion versus Yack rate and Yack rate is how many of your receiving yards are coming after the catch. And as you can see, Ohio State bottom left quadrant, they rank 44th in the power for in Yack per completion and they're 61st in Yack rate. However, Jeremiah Smith leads the nation with 617 receiving yards and is tied for the lead with seven touchdowns within Illinois, Colin Dixon and Rutgers KJ death. Duff. Also, his 617 yards and seven touchdowns after four games has him very much outpacing Devote Smith's 483 and four after four games the year Devote Smith won the Highsment Trophy. So upon further review, do we think Jeremiah Smith is still concerned about the lack of Yack? No, I think he feels like he's being fed properly. So if we still want, do we want to be in the upper right quadrant here, Tom? It's not necessarily a need to or want to be, but the upper right is definitely teams that are getting a ton of Yack. But that could also just be because you're throwing bubble screens. Right. So yeah, then as you can see, Georgia Kentucky and I believe that's Arizona State in that upper right corner. Gifted athletes on the perimeter are getting short passes and making plays. I think ultimately you'd love to be in the top right quadrant, but you don't need to be the extreme top right. Yeah. Like if you look at this, Kentucky and Arizona state both play day and end, so there's probably a bit of a time. But if you die deep, right? So Kentucky and Florida both run a ton of motion and shifts to get people off balance. Patrinos are really good screen guy, including those tight end screens. So you're going to pick up a lot on that. S&U played Florida state, so like that that kind of solves that one there. Shoot. Shoot to Michigan state. That is that's consistent. Auburn being super low left. Like that's that's Byron Brown just not being able to process fast enough and holding the ball forever. Is that Stanford there? Yeah. Stanford on the bottom left. Yes. Stanford. Stanford's a pretty big like air yards team. They chuck it deep. So there's not a whole lot of opportunity for for air yards, but when you're just going deep all the time. Davis Warren was uncorking it on Saturday night late. Missouri down there kind of the same things. Simmons can really threaten all areas of the field with his arms strength. So like that kind of makes sense. Yeah. Really isn't that important of a stat, which is why it was kind of interesting to me when Jeremiah brought it up a big 10 media day. So I was like, brother, if you're catching 50 yard bombs and then only getting two yards after the catch, I'll take that over a two yard throw and 10 yards afterwards. Yep. Like that. But you you mentioned you wanted to hit on a little bit more on Camario Taylor. Again, that Mississippi state Missouri game a lot of stuff was happening. That was was when I had to go. go back and watch. It was not my top billing game, especially when I saw Mississippi State started to pull away. What would you see from Taylor over the weekend? Just a couple of notes. Like one, I saw a lot of chatter on Twitter that like, hey, Mississippi State's offense is solved. All you got to do is play cover two and have your front win. I'm like, what offense does that not work against? That's really what the bucks did about a quarter century ago when they beat the Raiders. Like, if you got a front forward, it's going to get a home all the time. You want to play cover two behind it and you can still fit the run out of that. You're good against every single offense ever known to man, buddy. But in looking at this, Mississippi State's offensive line continues to grade out terribly, which makes what Camario is doing like all the more impressive. They're, they're PFF grades and granted PFF's not perfect. I think it's just directionally correct, usually 58, 51, 49, 47.9 and 64 were, they're great for all of its linemen. 64.7 is not horrendous. The other ones are are pretty rough. So like, he's, he's kind of doing it on his own. Fluff Bothwell did run really well and created a lot. Like Missouri was trying to defend them out of two shell quite a bit. Mississippi State had to find a way to run them out of it. Missouri was still creating a lot of chaos with its front and Bothwell. Like, I thought he did a really good job of still getting positive yards after being hit in the backfield. So those, it's kind of a one-man show in Starkville right now. We'll see how that works against, against Keelon, who somebody bet him really hard for the highs and by the way, because there were some 18s and 20s yesterday and now there's now it's down to like 10 at most spots. So excited to watch that one this weekend for sure. But man, like, I'm just more and more impressed with Camario when his offensive line is playing like that and he's still having success. A plan for the review. Yes. There has been a lot of argument. It's been driving nuts because I've Tennessee fans yelling at me. The SEC has released an official statement on the onside kick at the end of the game. Incorrectly officiated. It should not have been allowed to happen. Damn. Can we change a rule? I know it was awesome. I loved it. It would make onside kicks far more interesting. Yes. It resulted in a five yard penalty and a Tennessee and a replay of the down. Oh, man, Stark's going to talk about how the refs are out to get his team now. He's going to blame the media for it. Do we upgrade Texas based on how those guys were celebrating? Some of these celebrations were obviously like they got flagged for it. But that's a lot of swagger, man. And then they go back up with five sacks after that. That team might just have something to know it. It's the culture problem. I mean, so what but is proposing is essentially the 2008 Florida rule. It's like, yeah, I know that some of these guys might not be all like, you know, we might have not have discipline down pat. But buddy, we got a lot of talent and it's flying around loose. If they get a safety who breaks into the compound lot and try to get his Lambo out, like, we might as well just stamp them because like that is forward all the way. If Jeff, I don't recall, there's my player. Yeah. Hi, the SEC just dodged a major bullet, though, because if they would have won the game. Oh, yeah. Oh, my gosh. This would have been a, I don't know if they put out the same statement. It's easy to do it now. Yeah. With the way that everything went, though, we, so the tech, the execution of the drop kicks are allowed, but the execution of it was outside of the rule. So he would have to have dropped it right at the 35. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Which is the, okay, further checking quality here because I don't know. Does the drop have to occur hovering over to 35 or all, or must the ball actually hit precisely at the 35? I think it's more of like across the line, across the plain situation, like a throwing a pass beyond the line of scrims. Does the entire ball need to be passed the line or could part of it be on the line? Where does the body have to be on the line? Because he also threw a left or right, you know, like you, like a lot, a lot of stuff was happening. Exciting play, but I'm not officiated correctly in the eyes of the SEC. With weeks, suffered a not great injury. He is going to have to undergo surgery. He's going to have to be out for a while. Lane Kiffin indicates that Trader's green probably not going to expect him back anytime soon. Either Sam Levitt always seems to be a injury concern of any day that ends in a while. But these injuries going to pile up in a way that could make things a little more difficult for LSU to hit it. Sealing this year. Did you see Lane blaming the non-game SC schedule for this? They're the only ones to play tackle football apparently in the SEC. They're the only ones that that play football because they've played all nine games already, by the way. Right. Yeah. It sucks from a standpoint. Like I want to see everybody healthy. I hate injuries in general. It's just the excuse was really lame. You know why injuries happen in football? Does it's a violent game? Because you're playing football. Yeah. And listen, they suck. Like if the injuries they have had, they're hurt, like losing green sucks, losing weeks, sucks for them. Like, and they do have a tough schedule that they still have good games they have to play. But like you mentioned, Chip Sam Levitt was still getting hurt while he was playing in the big 12, which doesn't play nearly as tough of a schedule as they do in the SEC. So it just happens. It's a down part of the game that you can't avoid unless you just want to have everybody hug it. Any other LSU sort of thought here? I mean, the way the game went against Texas A&M, we didn't spend much time on it Saturday night. I thought Levitt threw the ball extremely well, which was weird. It's like once he got dinged up, he couldn't like bounce around and be quite so like just turkey, turkey in the pocket and he threw a couple of really nice dives. Yeah. Also, he gets to make knee state this week. And then you get Kentucky. That's that's some time to get healthy. Not everybody has to play a McNeese state. True. Tom, do you have another, another, another sliding doors for us? Well, I mean, it's just kind of an inch because we didn't really talk about it because it was going on as we were doing the reaction show. But you know, Minnesota got that win against Washington on Saturday night. Pretty big win for the gofers coming off of their home lost. Mrs. Sippy State to go on the road and get that to kind of, you know, erase it. PJ wiping his players blood all over his face, which is kind of awesome. But like, you just can't help but wonder if you're watching to it and you're dead fish. And we touched on it a little bit during the live show. But like, what if demand volumes had left for us you? What if you weren't able to keep them? Just a sliding doors moment, just kind of wondering, where would we be right now if LSU had demand volumes at QB and Washington had, I don't know who they would have, but it's more of an LSU question right now. Where is demand volumes next year? UNLV? I don't know. That would be a good fit. I mean, the Washington State of Affairs is sad. They didn't, they didn't. Washington State of Affairs. Correct. Yes. Yes. Okay. I just want to be watching. What the hell did we do? Yeah. I know. The Washington Huskies State of Affairs for a team that seemed to be like a team that we could just write in for having an above average, you know, tier two big 10 team. I don't know, man. It didn't look like the better team on the field at playing at home against Minnesota. Can this be more about the depth of the big 10? Can you sell that? You can. I think if, no, but I think Washington should sell itself as we are we are above like the Minnesota in a whole game on Saturday night. Like that's that to me was it like they they looked like they did not look like the team that was favored by 10 points. Right. And like I was I was more concerned about their defense coming into the year, but their offense has just looked blue. And that's the thing that stinks as jeds as jeds offense. He's got nobody to fire. Like he's he's the play caller, you know, and he's he's running the show. So yeah, man, I don't know. The demon William stuff, tough. It's a it ain't working out well. The Norris sellers ain't working out well. You know, there's a there's a bunch of those quarterbacks that we would have had on a quarterback power ranking that that is not playing out like we expected. And and I will say this to your point earlier about the rankings. This is the time of the year where I do see a lot of people just like finally letting go. Like we're not asking Washington to be something. It's not anymore. You've had four games, probably two of them against power conference opponents. They let go, right? Pit Penn State let go. Like there's there are teams that are I think going through the process, the fires that reveal, you know, the teams that are going to be good this year, Texas A&M. No, see you. I get right. We are going through that process right now. I am I was not making any case the Washington should be ranked still because it was. No, no, no. I was just in general. Like because I think our takeaway when we left Big 10 media, it mine was there going to be a lot of teams that are pretty good. Like unfortunately for the Big 10, it's like the the alphas have kind of been underwhelming. So you wonder where they're going to be. But I do think there's a lot more better football teams than they get credit for. It doesn't help that you got smoked by Mississippi State at home. Like that doesn't help the perception. Right. It also doesn't help that Washington is looking made against Washington state. Right. And Utah State. Yeah. Yeah. I'll actually argue that Washington being bad is good for the Big 10. And here's why. I think we all recognize they had a really tough schedule with a lot of contenders on it. The Big 10 at this point needs Washington to not trip up USC, Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska, Indiana, and Oregon. If those are just losses, everybody else's win total is going to be elevated. We needed to duck. Congratulations. The Huskies of the duck. Correct. Because I do think entering the season, even though I was not that high on Washington, he had to realize they had like the rise up and get somebody or somebody's potential. And now it looks like they're just terrible. Yeah. Anything else? I got one fun one for you guys, little blind resume time, little blind resume time. I got two quarterbacks, anybody want to guess the QBs here? Oh, yeah. Did you see this one? I did. So I'm not going to guess. All right. Is this from Iron Football? That is from Iron Football. This guy's doing a great job. I'm still playing around, getting used to it. But this was fun. I got to select two QBs. I went with the basic bitch stats again. I didn't go deep into the hardcore ones for you guys. But I saw this and I thought it was interesting. Any guesses? Oh, that's a good guess. Ah, there you go. It is. I knew one of them was material. I was trying to figure out who the other one. The colors give it away too. I should have told Taft. The blur colors. Come on. Taft. Arches on the left. Mater is on the right. They are almost identical. And you could make a case maybe that material is playing a little bit better statistically. Two things this tell you. Two things I think this tells you. Things are not a stat, but boy, celebrate it. Winds are not a stat, but boy do they shape perception of how you are. And then two is the killer plays. But like if material could just evade the killer turnover and the killer play, think about the interception he had against Michigan that cost him the game. And then the whoopsie daisy play at the end of the first half against Georgia when it's a 14 point swing, he's like, and I was like, get him out of there and then he followed up the interception. Then he fumbled again. It was probably the worst sequence of quarterback play where it's like, oh no, material is like trending like for a half hour, 45 minutes because it kept happening. To me, it's probably more about arch and the concern that I have for archmaning because he is still playing the same way, which is average. And if they want to win a national title, they need arch to start playing more consistently and playing bigger than he's playing right now. You can't you can't yada yada the turnovers though, daddy. You can't be like, if not for those back breaking season destroying turnovers, the 14 point swing. Yeah. That reminds you of like I remember when Tim Beckman was coaching Illinois. And I can't remember who they played, but they gave up like 28 points in like the second or third quarter. And Tim Beckman, after we got our ass kicked, was in the press conference like, you know, if you take away that third quarter, we won the game. That's true. It's true. But the third quarter does count. Yes, it does. I think it is fair to note like once the ball leaves your hand, like the what happens to it is largely out of your control, right? As far as like Georgia picking up and running, you know, with with the fumble, you know, so there is a look. I don't think material is a good player, you know, noted this level. Hey, listen, listen, at this correct, yeah, for sure, but like if that ball just bounces out of bounds, you know, we're still making fun of it, but not like, oh my god, like that is a little bit of bad luck on on top of a pretty bad pattern of ball security. I don't think arch has been great, you know, he seems to like put it together for like drives. Like it's like clustered, you know, on the two drives, he was awesome. And then it started the game. He was fine going along, yeah, I don't know what it is, man, like we talked about this a little bit on Saturday night. There's just not a lot of like just drop back, hit the open guy, get up, do it again. It's like everything has to be schemed. The part that made Peyton Manning one of the greatest quarterbacks ever, he was a great game manager. And I've said this feel like I was talking about with Sam Levin, 90% of the time, you just want to make the boring decision that gets it out of your hands, that gets to the correct run play that maybe takes a sack. And then 10% of the time what elevates you is you make the special play when you're scrambling around or you have to do something you are run, you know, which arch is really good at. He just has, I mean, that's the problem is 90% of the time you've got to be able to count on him just to make the right decision and hit the open receiver, but he misses an open guy. He scrambles around instead of making the great play. He's throwing it past the line of scrimmage, not once, but twice. Like it's just dumb founding to see how you could not have that much field awareness to know where you are on the field and where the line of scrimmages. So it's just, I think it is a mental thing with arch. He just, he goes in these funks kind of comes up and down and he knows it like after the game when he was holly trying to get him to talk about Peyton and playing his backyard. He said, this is about my teammates. I didn't play that good. Now it's end to agree with him. Yeah. He's not the most outstanding player in college football. I push back a little bit on the turnover luck thing like once the ball is out of your hands. The ball falls out of his hand. The ball was trying to get my back a little bit. Right. Yeah. The ball security problems huge. Yeah. Like he's going back into his entire career. Like this year, it's worse so far because of the small sample size, but out of 175 quarterbacks over the last three years were qualified. Matier ranks 93rd in Whoopsie, Daisy rate. His eight fumbles are tied for 38th in that span. Like this is an issue. He doesn't take care of the football. He didn't even when he was at Washington state. We just weren't watching him as closely because it was Washington state and they weren't playing in the big game. He's like he's playing now. It's not just the rise and competition. It's much like Colton Joseph to me who was having these issues at Old Dominion who is now having about Wisconsin, which by the way, do you know who has the most fumbles in college football the last three years? Colton Joseph. 18th. There's luck and then there's, I can't hold on to a football. Right. I like that, Danny. Thank you for the blind resume. Yeah. But when I said the most outstanding, I was choosing my words because that is the Heisman trophy. Archmaning is not going to win the Heisman trophy. Well, if they win seven more ranked games down the stretch ship, he'll be a finalist. Yeah. I just, he's super talented. He could still be all the NFL drafts, superlatives that there could be there. But I think Jeremiah Smith might have a better chance to win the Heisman trophy than Archmaning does right now. Too dry. I agree. Well, he's way more favored as well. Arch is 30 to one. Jeremiah is 3 to 1. Oh, sorry. I hadn't looked at the odds for it. I was just, you know, discussing it. Odsetter chip is dead off. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great. Come. Come tomorrow. Day training, Danny. Yeah, we got it. We got it. We got to check back in with the market sometimes. Yes. I mean, there are only three players that are under 10 to 1 to 1 in it, you know, the 3R, Smith, you know who the third is? Yeah. It's Mario. Yeah. It's, it's Camario, which I feel like is probably lighting your money on fire, but not because I don't like Camario, but because he's a Mississippi state quarterback. Right. Yeah. If it was like the, the, the most outstanding player, Camario should win it, like given his supporting cast. Oh, if it's most valuable instead of most outstanding. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So we've got a pretty fun week ahead, a very special big game breakdown, a couple of different things. If you've looked at the schedule, it is not, it is not ranked on ranked on ranked on ranked on ranks quite like we had in week four, but we've still got a lot to be able to get into. We're going to have a closer look at the Ohio State but guys as they prepare to take on Iowa, the big winners from the game up in Ann Arbor this past week. We of course are going to be looking at the Florida Gators in the aforementioned matchup against Missouri. A lot more, you know, top teams as favorites, but maybe they're going to get tested. So big game breakdown will take you inside some of those headline or matchups. We're also going to look back and at this point in the season with four weeks of college football in the books, how are our win totals looking? We had big proclamations spent about five or six weeks telling you what we thought these teams were going to be. Well, now let's judge how things are going so far. So we'll do a little win totals recap after we break down some of the biggest games. So comment, hang out 11 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday then we'll be back on Thursday with our best bets for the week five sleep with the locks and Saturday night reaction and more. And you can follow him on Twitter at Tom Belly. You can follow him @DannyKnow. You can follow him @bloodoay3. You can follow me @chiponscore Patterson. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Thank you. See ya. See ya. [Music]