Uplifting Tinashe

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You do it all. You are a writer. You are a singer. You are a producer. You are a dancer. It's just been a life-long journey, you know? Yeah. Yeah. It's just been a life-long journey. It's been a life-long journey. I'm a big believer that as an artist, like you learn more by doing than thinking of doing. And like, you can put it on a fucking PowerPoint. You can talk to your friends about it. Like whatever, you can watch a billion things. But at the end of the day, like you just have to do and make a mistake and learn from a mistake and do that, you know? I'm also like a believer in releasing things as well. Like you have to put things out into the world as creative. I think you have to let it go in order to get like more ideas. Like in some spiritual way, I feel like you have to give feedback to the universe in order to like receive more. So you have to kind of clear that space. And I think sometimes people are like too precious about like letting other people see their work or hear their work. And I think that's another thing where, you know, if you're feeling inspired, you are passionate about something, like don't overthink it, like put it out there. Yeah. And that was also like some, I think something that has been very true and interesting, like of your career, you know, like what happened with Broke Boys, you know, and Disco Lines and like they, they song. It went in a completely different direction. And I think it's also cool that you're like, yeah, like do what you want with it. You know what I mean? Like that is really, really cool. We just ride the waves. Yeah. Was there ever like a thought to try and like really pursue that sound and go like so deep into that kind of electronic thing? Not on purpose. I think there's like always inspiration that I gather from every experience that I go through in life. So there's definitely some ways that I look at my music now and how I want to like, you know, release this album and like tease it and promote it and play it that are a lot more influenced by like the dance world and things like that. But I think overall, like I've never been the type of person who crafts my music to chase, whether it be like viral success, chart success, or like even if I have something that does really well, I'm very opposed to like doing the same thing twice. So I'm like, okay, we got to flip it. We got to do something else. And I think making something predictable. And exactly like the last thing is just. I agree. Predictable is boring. Not interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that. I want a pop star that like challenges me. Yeah. I want a pop star that can make something that I hate or something that I love or something that I didn't know I would love. Yeah. 100%. And like that, again, is taste and like pushing the boundaries of that. But touching on something you said, like a quote of yours that I really loved is you said, my best work has always come when I cared the least. Why do you think that? Why do you think that is? Hmm. The Lemonati has spent decades keeping lemon on top and lime in the shadows. Their lemon agenda has infiltrated everything, even our music. That hit song named after the color of lemons? Not a coincidence. Big Lemon has been pulling strings in the industry for years. Think about it. But now, 7-Up is fighting back with their new lime lemon soda. Now lime comes first. 7-Up. Flip the sip. Ugh, I hate Mondays. Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm. Bites, ba-choo-ba-da-ba. Taylor Hansen? Nice. Try one. Mmm. Bites, ba-choo-ba-da-ba-do. Don't you love them? Sweet swirling is all good. I think it's because of the pressure of it all. I think when you care about, I think care is like an interesting word. You know, obviously I've always cared a lot about everything. But I think like the nuance of what I was trying to say is when I like cared too much about the wrong things, which would have been like approval, which would have been like success or like, I don't know, some proverbial like acceptance from like the world. And I think that is what I've learned to let go of in the creative process and just make what feels inspiring to me, make it from the heart and like hope that, you know, it kind of pays off and not consider those things. I think that had led me down like just like not a great place mentally because it started making me question my own instincts and yeah, just kind of like simplify. And dumb it down and just water down the, you know, the essence. Yeah, no, no, no. Totally. I very much agree. And I feel the same way. And also something like a imaginary rule I have sort of created for myself is like whenever I'm in doubt about this type of situation, like do the first thing. Yeah. You know, your first instinct is often the best. Yeah. Or at the very least, it was the most raw, you know, like it was in some way true to your heart and soul at some point in time. And like there, there is beauty in that. Yeah. I like that. And to like. But it's easier said than done sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Especially. I mean, we're all. I mean, I'm definitely a perfectionist. I'm definitely very hypercritical of myself before, during and after. Yeah. The process. But I don't let. Don't let that stop me. You know. Yeah. Let's talk about the album. Okay. I have many thoughts. I guess let's start with the first single. Yeah. Too easy. Too easy. Is it too easy to look this good? You know. Of course it is. I just speak up like this. Yeah. I mean, I love that song because I think it's like both serious and joking. It's both. I'm both telling the complete truth. It is easy. And also it's very complicated. Yeah. You know. And I think both of those things are truths that I hold simultaneously. Hell yeah. No. And I love. It's like one of those songs. It's like punchy. Yeah. Like the beat. The way it starts like. And then you're like. Oh, yeah. That's like you're in the club with your girls. You hear that beat. You turn around. You lock eyes and you're like, you know what? We got it. Like that is the vibe. That was the goal. Let me tell you something. I'm putting numbers on it. Yeah. Because literally it started with being in the studio. Right. And then just being like, okay, we need. I want to make something that's like, oh, high energy in your face. Lots of percussion. Boom. Kim J. He made that lickety split. It sounded amazing. And like immediately. Immediately in my mind. I was like, this just feels like hundred freaky girls in the spot. Like, you know, you just see it. Yeah. I'm one of the freaky girls. Yeah. I love that. Thank you. And I also love the like contrast in like the vocal. Right. It starts like super punchy. And then it's hundred freaky girls. Yeah. It's like a lot more like simple than you would expect a song to like go when you hear that. Yeah. But again, it's like. Yeah. I mean. It's just your brain. Right. I love that. Thank you. Yeah. But another interesting thing to me about this album, again, like what you just talked about. It's like not all of it's like, like there's, there's slower stuff in there. There's more straight back things in there. Which one did you start with? Or was it always the idea to be all of it? I mean, I don't think there was ever like a goal to be one thing or another. I definitely, the first song I made for the album was pop star, which is kind of like a moodier mid tempo song. Yeah. And then the second song I made was nobody want to dance anymore, which is also like very punchy and in your face, but also kind of like a little bit of a dance. So it wasn't necessarily about like, to me, it was more of the concept that I wanted to follow and like the feeling that what it meant to be a pop star gave to me and like the things that came to my mind and like the different things I was unpacking and exploring that rather than like a specific sound and the sound kind of just developed. I like that. The, the vision was before and you were like attaching pieces to it. Starting with the first song, pop star. And you know, this song opens the line, don't fall in love with a pop star. Yeah. Why shouldn't they? Well, I kind of think this is similar to too easy in the sense that like, I'm being serious, but it's also like a bit ironic because this song is very much talking about like the beauty and the glitz and the glamor of it all. But also like, there's like a rawness and a raw energy to it. And like, I'm just a girl, you know, kind of a thing. And so, yeah. So I think that's, I think that's a good thing. There's this also like a romanticized idea of what, like being a pop star is what Hollywood life is. And I think that that was always like in the forefront of my mind when I was like, Oh, when I grow up, I want to be, I want to be this, I want to be all these things. And it's just really interesting to like, see now as like the woman that I've become and like how I look at it from like the inside out. I think it's just so much more, of course, less romantic than. Then it, then it seems, but then at the same time it is, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I, I, I very much agree. I have this very interesting relationship with it where I have like moments of experiencing it and things like this, you know what I mean? Like I'll do an interview with an artist and like experience the way like their fans can like the highs and lows of it, you know what I mean? And then also not experience it at all. Yeah. Um, but it is a very interesting thing too, to like develop a reality as an artist that isn't what you expected. Yeah, absolutely. But what do you think has changed most about you as an artist since, since the Tinashe that dropped two on to the Tinashe of today? Um, I mean, I've, I've learned a lot. I think I've kind of come full circle though, in a lot of ways, cause the Tinashe that dropped two on was very confident and very like, Oh, this is going to be easy. This is going to easy. Like I got this. I got this in the back. I have the vision. I see the thing. So I think for me now. Now I feel very much, much more connected to her because there was a period of time between then and now where I was much less, you know, confident in my own ideas, path, career. Yeah. I mean, there's been. You're so fucking talented. Well, thank you. I think, I think it's, you know, it's, it's more so than. I get it. I also think that's natural and part of it, you know, of, of that, of like, it starts with this very pure instinct and like glamor of the world. And then there's this introduction of all the mechanics of it that you don't expect. The business, the label, the, this, which you make the song, but which one's going to be the single. And then you always regret which one was it. Right. And like all that, or, or which one deserves a music video. Right. And like those things kind of, again, like to hamper the vision for a little while until eventually you, you find your way back. You transcend. You levitate. You transcend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean. A famous poet once said, man, I love to get on. I love to get too on when you're trying to be too strong. So. Yeah. I mean, I do. Yeah. Correct. Okay. Another thing you had talked about was another one of the singles you talked about on the album was nobody want to dance anymore. Why don't people dance anymore? That's a good question. I mean, we, we all know the various social media, you know, there's just not that many great spots to like dance in the city. And I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. A jacket meets a dress. A hoodie slips beneath a blazer. An old cap finds a new scarf. Because you don't simply step into the season. You create it layer by layer until it finally feels like fall. Find fall your way at Ross. No, I completely agree. And this is something that I have gotten annoyed by on the internet before. To me, what LA or whatever is, is this place of millions of people across the world all gathered in one spot to chase a dream. And what is more fucking beautiful than that? Whether that is the restaurant in Koreatown you ate at where it was a family who immigrated here and they are bringing family recipes that they had to a coffee shop, to music artists, to songwriters, to producers, to the fucking PA on set of the movie when you were five. Like, all of these people have something that they are trying to achieve and have sacrificed a lot, have sacrificed comfort, have sacrificed stability to do that. And like, what's more, like, I find beauty in that. Listen, I think LA is the greatest city in the world. You heard it here first. I love that. Put that on a fucking t-shirt. Going back to the album. I want to talk about the other song I mentioned earlier, Cloud Nine. I think this might be my favorite song. Okay, yes. It gave me. Major Rihanna vibes. Oh, I love that. Was that, like, an inspiration for this song? I mean, Rihanna is amazing. She makes bangers. So, like, sure. Yeah? I feel like indirectly. I wasn't like, let's make a Rihanna sounding song. I just want, again, something, like, punchy and in your face. Yeah. And high tempo. And I think, like, my favorite thing about that song is it never, like, drops. It stays up here in this, you know, let's keep the cymbals. Let's keep the drums. You know that? Yeah, you're staying on Cloud Nine. There's almost, like, a frantic, like, almost, like, a manic energy to it, and I really, really like that. Me, too. I like that. And, again, I like songs exactly what you're saying. Like, the cymbals, it's staying high up here. I'm like, yes, because, like, a cloud. There's that euphoria. Right, right, right, right. Like, it's the cohesiveness of all of it that was so, so cool to me. You wrote a song about brain rot. Mm, mm-hmm. What is that? Like, what inspired that? You know, it's just the world that we're in. I mean, I encounter so. I encounter so much brain rot. day to day so it's just i wanted to just write a song that kind of just to me it's like how i feel in this year really yeah your brain's rotted there's just so much around me everywhere that i go yeah and you encounter it across the board you definitely do encounter it across the board but again i also love the idea of like it being a very up-tempo song so it's like brain rot is something you think like laying in bed lights off like doom scroll yeah and that the song is nothing like that yeah yeah that contrast you know yeah and i think like there's also it's so interesting because when i think of like how the world has changed obviously whether it be the internet social media the government all these different things that are stressful and continuously are just like, I don't know, like a shadow of weight on our lives. I think it's, it's just how we deal with that. A lot of times becomes like almost like satirical and like silly and, and, and so I kind of wanted it to kind of sound and feel that way. And yeah, I don't know. There's again, just like such, you can't stop how everything evolves, I think. And so you kind of just have to like reflect it, adapt to it. And I don't know, make songs about it. No, I fucking love what you just said. There is a video on this channel called the epidemic of escapism that talks about exactly the phenomena you just described of this, like, I don't know what's going on in the world. So why try type energy that I feel like is very, or like, I don't know where it's this thing and falling, it's falling apart in my life. So like, I'll make a joke about it. Right. Like this very, so like, so negative, it becomes positive type of, of rhetoric that I feel like is super common. It's like also like a very Gen Z thing. I feel as I'm Gen Z, so I'm going to say that, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. A hundred percent. I think that's how a lot of people feel kind of because we're holding these, like, we have to cope. We have to live. We have to have joy. We have to survive. And then we also have like these very heavy things. People are trying to like pay their rent. So I think it just kind of creates this like absurd, absurdist kind of feeling within ourselves. And I, yeah. Right. And it's like, what else do you do with it besides like, put it out. But I love the idea of tapping into a song. Now I'm like, I need to listen to the song again. Totally. But that's so interesting. I also have questions about your lore because you have crazy lore. I have so much lore. First, I'm going to start big of like, you have maybe the most insane list of collaborations I've ever seen. Oh my gosh. I have some really good collaborations. I was reading through the list. It's like Britney Spears, Charlie XCX, A$AP Rocky, Chance the Rapper, Travis Scott, Future. Like the list goes on and on. What do you think makes a great collaboration in a song? Open-mindedness because I think it's, it's really, both people have to come in with the intention of like trying to make the song better for a really great collaboration to happen. I think a lot of times, you know, there's that plug and play cliche, but I think for me, I've, I've, both attracted and also looked for opportunities that I think feel like they elevate the song itself, you know? And it's just fun. I'm also super open to collaboration. Like for me, the collaborative process is one of my favorite parts. Like when I create a, when I create a new project, I love to work with like new brand new producers, brand new, just entirely fresh energy. I love to like see where it goes, meet new people. That's kind of fun for me. I've never been the type of person that's like, I only work with one person. I only do, you know, I keep my circle very open creatively. I like that. Yeah. And I think that's how you amass like new ideas and experiences as well. Totally. And collaborations. Yeah. Collaborations. Exactly. Um, I'm interested, how does like, how does it work differently between like a collaboration song and like a remix? You know, like the Charlie as an example. Yeah. Do you just like get the song and they're like, whatever you want to do? I mean, it's a little bit, it's a little bit different when a of a direction already. And I think I always consider that when I'm doing a remix, but you know, I think when there's a collaboration, usually there's some give and take, like it's not a final version usually that you're collaborating on. So there's, you know, opportunities for things to be altered, changed. I think a lot of times I'm finding inspiration from like, say I get a verse from some, someone like I'll listen to what they do and then maybe it'll like change what, how I would come to before it or after it or like adding sounds or harmonies, changing the production. So I think, yeah, that collaboration is fun because they can add a piece and then it's like a continuation of that. You're like, how do I change the puzzle? That's really cool though. But I also think that this is something that like you can do because you do it all. Like not everyone can, you know what I mean? Which I think also probably makes it like a fun creative challenge for you as an artist, but to another artist might be. You just gotta be open and like unafraid, I think. To like make mistakes or make something weird. Like that's to me the most fun is when we make something really weird. I'm like, oh, that's crazy. Totally. Or just something you like never expected. Yeah. That's so much more fun than making just like a simple, good song. It's like, okay, we made a nice song today. No, totally. So yeah, you gotta just be unafraid, I think. I like that. It's like the best work will come. Yeah. I'm also really interested about your relationship with dancing, like just as an artist in general, it's something that's like been integral to you. Yeah. And I feel like has was so popular. Yeah. 10 years ago and then really fell out of popularity. And now like we're in this, like, like the pop girls are dancing at their own dancing. People are getting mad about it. You know, how has that been for you as someone who's like always been? Yeah. I mean, it's, it's nice to see it back because it was weird for a period of time. People were trying to make me feel like I was weird for dancing during my shows. Hell no. It was out of style. I was like, please, it'll never go out of style. Yeah. Ever, ever. Um, but yeah, I think for me, again, this is like when I thought of the pop divas before me, I always thought of ones that dance. Like that was just a huge component of the people that I looked up to, whether that be Britney Spears or Janet Jackson or the Pussycat Dolls. Like there was always like people like doing choreography, like breaking it down, like doing all those things. And yeah, I wanted to embody that. Like from a really young age, I started doing all sorts of different styles. And yeah, I started competing really young as well. So dance was a huge part, like training several, several hours a week in all styles. Again, just like not limiting myself to like one particular style. And to me, that was always going to just be an extension of my art. And as soon as I started making, you know, my own art, it just, it was a no brainer. Yeah, no, totally. And I think that there is this fascinating thing as a consumer, like watching it. I think that there is this fascinating thing as a consumer, like watching a concert or whatever, where the like choreography of the artist sets the tone of the room. Oh, yeah, certainly. And it's like a very, it's literally like a tactic to control. Of course. And it's, to me, it's an extension of the storytelling. And so I've always looked at that as a way for me to both like, in my own physicality, tell a story and also just like, like, yeah, like kind of like paint the picture of the, of the song and how it makes me feel. And like, it's like, there's music videos, there's foot, there's a cover art. These are all like extensions of, you know, they allow the listener to kind of like get a little bit more in your world. And I feel that way about movement and choreography. I feel like it helps to kind of paint that picture. Interesting. Does it ever happen in reverse where you are like dancing or, or doing something and you are like, wait, I want to write a song that would make me move like this. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. A hundred percent. But I think that comes to me more so like with certain like tempos or like BPMs, like I'm really drawn to like this particular type of tempo or movement and it makes me feel a certain type of way. And then I'll kind of go in the studio and be like, okay, we've got to start there. Oftentimes when I, my starting point is, is, is the percussion or a beat or like tempo. Yeah. I love you're like a scientist. Yeah. I'm obsessed. Like I do think that that is like the beauty of music is it is somehow like an art and a science at the same time. Totally. But I think the science part comes with you, comes to you with experience, at least for me, because at the beginning it was just pure instinct. And then I think the more you do it, the more you kind of look at it a bit more like scientifically analytically, cause you start like seeing patterns, you know, and realizing like kind of what works or, or what trying new things, challenging yourself requires like, knowing what you've done before. Yeah. And you know, totally. I think that the sort of like pattern identifying is like one of the most important things of being an artist. I was saying earlier, like sometimes you just have to like do a bunch of shit and like you make 10 things and then you look at them and, and like, what was the common denominator of those 10 things? Right. Like, was it a BPM? Was it a certain way you're singing? Was it a type of music you're gravitating towards? Whatever. And like, that's how I think things kind of become unlocked. I agree. And they, I, I believe that that it reveals, it reveals itself. And I think you kind of have to follow that instinct and then it kind of just voila. I like that. That like, you can't find it. It has to reveal itself. I've tried the opposite way to being like, it has to be like this. And then you go in with that intention. And then oftentimes to me, I like get less inspired by that as I go. I'm like, ah, I needed to try something else. And then maybe I'll do something completely different. And then I'll be like, yeah, I'm not really into that either. And then sometimes I will go back to the original like idea of, yeah. But like, to me, it's important to like, not limit myself to be like, I have to make it sound like this. Like you have to just kind of explore. You have to have play. I think that's a really underrated, um, like way to look at creativity and well, not creativity, but songwriting is just like having a playfulness and being able to go in the studio and just be like, let's just like make something. You have to give yourself permission to make bad art a lot of the time. You know, you're like, like maybe I will make 67 songs, but the 68th one is my biggest hit. Yeah. And like, that's just how it is. And you've got to give yourself permission to like get there. And enjoying the process and not judging yourself during the process, because that's a lot of times where it becomes less fun. Cause you're like, oh, I can't think of a good idea for this verse. Like this lyric isn't great. Like, I don't know. It could be better. It doesn't sound like a hit. Yeah. And I think that that's, you know, that's where it goes wrong. You know, you have to just be like, whatever, let's just make something. It feels good. Yeah. Yeah. And then also like letting it go for a while too, learned of like, it doesn't have to be to completion. Sometimes you have a thing that you get out and you're like, yeah. And then 30, you look back at it two months later and then you hear it with fresh ears and you're like, wait, what the fuck was I doing? Like, and again, it's the play of like allowing, giving yourself time and space to detach from it. Yeah. Can be very healthy. Yes. I feel. Yeah. I agree. You have really great takes about this stuff. Thanks. You're like, again, like I love, I think you should like write a book or something. Maybe I will. You should. I'm into it. I want like a Tinashe's artist way. Okay. Style piece of literature. I got a lot of thoughts. You got a lot of thoughts. That's, that's part of, part of, Hey, you should write some songs or something. It's crazy. You were in a girl group. Yeah. You have a song on the iCarly soundtrack. Like that is just insane. Like you have the most insane lore. Yeah. It's been a fun ride. I've done so many fun things truly, but I think that's like cool. It's so cool. I love it. It's so much fun. Like I think sometimes about the things that I've just experienced. I'm like, wow, that was, that was so cool. And I think again, it's like, it's cool. Especially after having met you and talking to you of like, there is this genuine like nature in your heart of exploration and like a desire to do that. It is satisfaction from doing it. Yeah. And then when you talk about how you're like, well, I did this thing when I was five and then I did a movie and then I was dancing and then I, you know what I mean? I'm like, no, I really love, that's the thing. That's like, I really love this life. Like I really love this career. I love all the things that I've, the highs and lows. Like I genuinely like love it for better or for worse. No, for better, for better for the most part. I think, I think so too. Okay. I have to ask, you don't have to tell me. Okay. We can cut this. Yeah. Rumor you have a collaboration with Pink Pantheress. Oh yeah. Is it happening? Is it not happening? I mean, yeah, we have, we have a collaboration, but it's not like a vocal collaboration. Okay. What did you do? It's like a production. Oh really? Yeah. She produced something for a project coming out. Well, I mean, I want to, yeah. I hope it's coming out. It's definitely coming out. It's coming out. Yeah. Okay. I'm, that is a fucking combination. I can get into. Yeah. No, she's amazing. That is a fucking con. There's also, I saw, there was like a tweet and there's like a picture of you two when you both have like the exact same hair. And I was like, I will show you the picture after this. And I'm like, it like, you look like siblings. Really? I have pictures on screen and they're seeing this. I was like, I'm obsessed with this. I want them both to go back to this hair to recreate, to recreate the image. Um, what does it take to match your freak? Their lemon agenda has infiltrated everything. 7-Hour Music. Not a coincidence. Think about it. 7-Up. Flip the sip. Fall never arrives all at once. First the air, then the light, and slowly the things you love begin to find each other. Mmm, I love this. I wish I knew. Um, I mean, yeah. I mean, I think, like, the biggest thing for me would be somebody that can, like, support my crazy ideas. Like, my creative ideas. I just, like, again, don't want to be limited. So I think I need someone, like, with an open mind. You're looking for an intellectual thing. Right? An intellectual. An adventurous. A playful. Yeah. I mean, you contributed to the cultural lexicon. Yeah. Like, match my freak. It was a great phrase. It is so fucking good. Thanks. Like, I say this all the time. Like, literally, I have had so many times, and they're like, oh, how was the interview? I'm like, they matched my freak. Yeah, I love that. Like, there's sometimes you just meet someone, and it, like, you're matching each other's freak. It just, it just says it all. It says it all. It says so. You're, you're literally a poet. Thank you. Um, okay. I, since you've had a lot of, we've had a lot of, you know, conversations about pop divas. Mm-hmm. Who is your pop girl? Rushmore. How many, there's four on Rushmore? Four faces. Okay. And this is to you. This is not, this is not about, like, best or worst. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is just, like, these were my four. Okay. That would have been Brittany, Christina, oh, Janet. And then the fourth is, like, that's like, that's like, that's like a fight. It's, it's, it's tough to pick four at any era and time. Yeah, because I would say Destiny's Child, but that's three people. Can they count? Do they count? Is that, like, cheating? We'll put a, we'll put a hybrid face. Okay. Then I'd put Destiny's Child. Destiny's Child. I love it. I love that it's all women. Yeah. Oh, yeah, duh. Of course. Of course. It has to be. Yeah, it has to be. You had a pretty crazy crash out on a car recently. Yeah, I did. Are you good? Yeah. Are you okay? Yeah, that was so fun. That was promo, obviously. I know, I know. It was fun, though. Was it? Yeah. I mean, I feel like, again, like, in the spirit of, like, pop diva-dom, like, let's bring back the stunts. I also love that conversation of, like, is it real? Is it fake? I loved that some people definitely were 100% convinced that it was real. Like, my goal was to reach a community outside of, like, my fan base or the people that would normally see it. And I had, like, a random, like, the person who, like, plays pickleball with my dad being like. Is she good? Is she good? Yes. So I was like, mission accomplished. What would cause you to crash out? God, I don't know. I don't think I would. I don't. I truly don't think I would ever do that. I don't think so, either. I feel like you're too nice. I'm pretty chill. Yeah. It would be bad if I did that, for real. But it would be kind of pop diva. No, it would be iconic. But I'm just saying, like, I just don't know what would be. push me that far yeah we know we need it's where i but i do think we are we are due culturally for like a pop diva moment like that you know if someone like yeah they're not breaking guitars on the stage anymore and shit you know what i mean like yeah i want someone to do something i feel like someone did who did i feel like someone did oh yeah i feel like i went to asap ragi concert he broke really he broke a bunch of drums i'm sad i missed it that i missed it he's not a pop diva though but you know we'll claim him again what is a pop diva anyway you're right he kind of is a pop diva that's what i'm saying he's a pop culture diva for sure correct like what is pop is has become this term that means everything and nothing at the same time you know what i mean like there's definitely like hits music or like culturally mainstream music but like pop used to have a sound to it there used to be a specific sort of like these producers made pop music like do you even think yeah because i feel like it changed so much i think it changed like decade to decade yes but i think it changed recently like i think i truly think it was the invention of streaming if i'm being honest with you i think this idea of like radio station like music had to be categorized for consumption sure right like you had there was a record store that had boxes of course they had to label the box rock or country right or the radio station had to be this type of thing and like once that opened up like like we just all were like oh like i listened to music on my phone yeah that's when i think genre died see i just i feel like i feel differently i feel like growing up like in the i feel like in the 90s early 2000s pop music had a different sound than it did in like the 2010s and then changed again in like the 2020s like first there was like a very almost like r&b yes like r&b was very pop like even all of the like white girls were making like r&b songs yeah even like justin timberlake i would say kind of you could go from like you could say like pink you could go you could go you know there was like a whole era sexy then pop was very sexy all yeah it was like a whole thing and i feel like then there was like this era where it became a little bit more of like kind of the pop we think of today and then it took like an edm sort of the initial first wave edm route yeah which was like i don't even know like kind of like calvin hayes i don't even know like calvin hayes i don't even know like calvin hayes i don't even know like calvin hayes i don't even know like calvin hayes i don't even know like calvin hayes era yeah vibe and then took another but then there's also always been like then they took another turn where there was and then that you know and i feel like it's constantly like taking these like micro turns but i don't think it's ever had like a sound like even in like to me like the 70s the 80s like what was considered pop whether that be like michael jackson or like the beatles like i feel like there's like a pretty big discrepancy in totally sound totally well i do think that there is like this thing where when you get to x level you are pop yeah you know what i mean like that that's just what it is like it's like calling kendrick pop yeah you know what i mean it's like he's not making pop music he's so popular no for sure like that you know what i mean but i mean i would consider kendrick i mean yeah now we're getting deep but like for like drake is 100 a pop star yeah without a doubt i think that as well without a doubt but he might think differently which is also another interesting thing you know what i think he's both a pop star and a hip-hop star and a rap and a rap star you know like that's what i mean i don't think it's mutually exclusive i think it'd be like and like now again like we could say like our pop artists are like debatably most of them are like country make country music like that's our top 10 billboard you know like that's like who cares about the top 10 billboard i'm just saying it's popular i'm just saying you are right it's you are right like that is it's interesting it's it's like going very that way like very classic while at the same time going very dance yeah and like pop is very like dirty and sweaty right now in a way that i feel like it i love that wasn't but i also feel like it's very clean and like trad wife too yes but it's what i'm saying it's like diverging and extremes which is very interesting to me but and again maybe goes back to her point about the whole clubbing thing of like very different vibes you know what i mean like of like what you want to dance to or what type of music you want to listen to on a night out yeah um yeah that's one thing i love to talk about it because like there is no answer no no this is all just like you know no and that's why that's why this show is fun yeah it's like a never-ending quest totally you know what i mean like i just go every week and like that yeah that's so fun it's nice um well tanasha it was a fucking honor yeah this is so much fun yeah i mean uh do you say something to the people oh god about the album pop star and where they should be streaming oh man i mean wherever you stream music or buy a physical copy because i made these beautiful vinyls they're so pretty really oh yeah yeah i haven't seen them yet they're really pretty i'm excited yeah you should get one um but yeah no i i really appreciate all the love the support it obviously means a lot i think this album feels really special to me and like a special era and yeah i agree you know like having all of everyone riding with me through all of like the creativity the changes the twists and turns you wouldn't imagine i really appreciate it yeah well it was a fucking honor thank you so much thank you and we'll see y'all next week see ya coca-cola for the big for the small the short and the tall peacemakers 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