UPDATE: Laura Sweetman

Happy Friday crime junkies, I feel like someone down at the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office might have listened to our most recent episode. Or maybe the timing is just a crazy coincidence, but a couple of hours ago this Friday, the Sheriff's Office finally fulfilled our records request and got us the audio from Dave and Laura Sweatman's domestic violence incident. And I want to do something a little out of the ordinary. While this episode is still top of mind for everyone, I want to share it with you. There are three things that you're going to be hearing, and I'm going to pop in between each. First, I'm going to play for you sound from the body cam footage of a deputy responding to Laura's call that she made to the Sheriff's Office. Then, I'm going to play you the entire audio file that she turned over to them of the incident that she was reporting. This is the almost hour and a half long recording she has of her and Dave inside their house when she says he refused to let her leave. And then, I'm going to play you some audio from when the deputy arrested and questioned Dave. This audio answers so many questions and brings up a million more. And I think for those of you who have been in a volatile or abusive relationship, this audio is going to hit home in a hard way, but it is important to hear because these are some of Laura's last recorded words before she died later the same year that this was reported. So, first, here is the deputy's interaction with Laura. It has been edited for clarity. It has been edited for a long time because it has been edited for a long time and it has been edited for a long time. And so, it has been edited for a long time. We now understand that Laura's friend, who was a cop in another jurisdiction, gave her some kind of recording device to capture this interaction. It's why the audio you're about to hear is so clear. I'm going to play this audio in full as it was given to us. The only part I'm taking out is a moment where Dave shares something personal with his wife. I can't verify the claims that he's making. And I'm going to let you know where that part is in the clip just so you're super clear. Now, listen with care. Where are you? Are you in the bathroom? [BLANK_AUDIO] David. [bubble] [bubble] Where are the kids? No, this I am. No, you're not. No, we're going to go talk. This isn't right. You're right. You're right. It's not right. I'm fucked up. I understand. You're right. I'm fucked up. I understand. Okay, you have another family. No, I don't have a family. I don't have another family. I've made mistakes. I agree. I am fucked up. I have tried to fix my problems. I really fucking have. I have to take responsibility for another kid. I understand that. I have to fucking do that. Can you just let me go? No, I don't know because I love you. I fucking love you more than anything in this world. I love my kids more than anything in this world. I don't want to fuck up anything with them. No, you're not fucking up anything with anybody else. The only thing I want is you and my kids. That's what I want. That's all. That's all I want is you and my kids. I don't know how to fix my other problems other than what I'm trying to do now. I'm trying to fix myself. Okay, I'm really fucked up. I'm a really bad spot right now. Everything in my life is the shit. You want me to shoot myself in the head right now? Okay, go ahead, take my kids from you. I don't want to take them away. No, that's what's going to happen. No, it's not. I just want them to have a healthy life. Who's not healthy for me. It's not healthy for me either. It hasn't been healthy for me for a long time. Or I've told you, the last time we had, or the last few times we've had fights, or you don't love me. You have a love me. I love you more than anything in this world. I don't know what I have to do to prove that. But you're my wife. I've never left you. I've never wanted to leave you. You're the only person in this. You really think I can stay when you have a kid with someone else? Or, yes, I do think you can. And I want you to. And I'm begging you to. What more can I do or say Laura? What more can I do or say? I will do anything. I will fix anything that I can fix Laura. You're what I want. I've never once ever considered not having you as my wife. I would rather be dead than not have you. I love you and care about you more than anything. I just don't think you love me. And I don't think you love me for a long time. And I really wish you did. I really, really, really wish you did. Because we have beautiful fucking great kids. And I love them more than anything in this world also. My family is all I've got. That's all I've got. He's your kid too. You need to recognize him and take care of him. He's their brother. That's their brother. How do I brooch that subject with my wife? How do I acknowledge with my wife? It's done now. And I am happy for him to be a part of your life. But you can live here. No, she can't. No, she can't. I don't want anything to do with her. Jesus Christ. I have told her a hundred thousand times going me to fuck alone. That's not fair to him, David. Your wife is not. And I try. I try when I drop off money to her. I see him for a little while. And that's it. And I can't afford this house anymore. I lost everything. And I put all the bills this month on the credit card. And then your money goes to her. No, my money doesn't go to her. It's only a few hundred dollars. And I'm supposed to get fucking my shirt. I just want it to be nice to each other. And here are the kids. Please, David. No, don't. Please, don't leave me. I don't want to leave you too. I do not want to leave you too. I just cannot leave. I can't leave. I will kill myself. You're my wife. Don't leave me. Jesus Christ. I will do anything I can to fix this. There's no. No, no, I want you. I'll do anything to show you that you're my wife. Or I've tried very hard. I really have. Do you have any idea what my life is like? Well, people have to call me year after year after year. Tell me who you're fucking every year. I'm not fucking people every year. That's not true. Then why do I have to live a life for people? Track me down and tell me things. First of all, people who try to hurt me. People from my business, that try to hurt me. Jesse Kevin, because he's a. I found his fucking child porn on the goddamn fucking. on the computer. And I had to give it to his probation officer. Kevin's out to hurt me. Bobby hates me because I fucking fired him. I mean, Laura, you do have to realize that there are people that really, really want to see me burn. Jesse especially, he's doing everything he can to burn me. And I'm certain he's happy to call you. I would have squeezed out a black kid along the way when I be alive today. Laura. No, David. It doesn't go both ways. You can kill me. Laura. Can I have some self-respect for the first time in my life? I cannot live knowing that you have a kid with her. And then you take my stuff and you give it to her? I don't take stuff and give it to her. The rock and cheer, the jogging and strolling. I nourish my baby and that stuff. There is a thickness, David. It's sick. Okay, then will you fucking help me please? I would love to help you and I would love to be your friend. Laura, God. And I want you to take good care of our kids. Laura, please, you're crazy. You have amazing children. Laura, Laura. You can't take my. No, no, no, no. That's what you're doing. You're taking you and my kids away. And I don't want any of that to happen. Laura, don't you understand what. I love you. Do you love me? I don't love you anymore, David. I can't. I'm your friend. I've been here. When was the last time you loved me? Because I loved you this entire time. I really have. I have loved you this entire time. This entire time. This entire 20 fucking years. I have loved you and cared about you more than anything. Do anything you want to me. Put any type of rule and restriction on me that you want. But just love me and stay with me. Please, I care about you and my kids more than anything. I do. I swear that on everything. I swear it on my life. I am not here to take them away. I want them to have a happy pleasant existence with two parents that love them and don't fight. I don't fight with you. I don't want to fight with you. I don't want you. I live in the same house as you. Well, please don't do this. Are you seeing someone else? No. Have you been seeing someone else? No. I don't care about anyone else. Stop that. No. Just be honest with me. No, David. No. I've never seen anyone else because I did love you. No. No. No. Don't. Then let's talk. Do you swear you've never seen someone else? I swear, David. I don't care about that. I care about our kids. And I want them to be healthy. And it's not healthy for them to see us self-destruct. Then let's fix it. Please. Let's work together and fix it. Please. Let's work together. Can we work together and fix it? But I need a break. Can I have a break? Or, no, because you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just. I'm leaving. I am leaving. I am leaving. Please, David, help! Please, David, I want to go! Are you doing this? Are you saying help? Because I'm saying help. You're saying help for me, David. I can't, I just go. No. No, you can't. You've taken my children away. You've taken my children away from me. You've already done it. You didn't just leave. You took my children away. You took my children away from me. Your plan is to destroy me. I didn't know. Just like the rest of them. No, it's not. your wife's person. No, you're right. Because you're putting your hands on my neck and you're dragging me in the house. I'm trying to talk to you. I love you and care about you. You can't do this to me. I'm already self-destructing as a person because of all the problem. Fix it. What can I do? Fix yourself and come back. The person that you used to be, build a business, do something. No, not make it me feel like an idiot all the time because I can't pay all the bills and I'm not trying to make you feel like an idiot. I'm going to get paid off here very shortly. I'm supposed to get a check this week. I want to buy our house and then buy it. You can have it. No, I don't want it. I want us. I don't want the house without you. I don't want this place without you and the kids. Are you kidding me? Oh, they're going to be here. No, they're not. You've already taken them. Where are my kids at? They're right now visiting the police department with my friends. You've taken my kids to the police department. No, they're with my friends who are police. You've taken my kids to the fucking police department. What are you going to think down here right now, officiating? Why aren't your friends, your, your, your girlfriends that make so much sense to you, Laura? I want us. I don't want anybody else. I don't want Ben. He's my kid and I have to acknowledge it. I'm going to have to take care of that and deal with it. But I don't want anybody but you. You're the person I want. You're the person I love. You're my wife, Laura. You can't do this. Forgive me. Please, I will do anything. I will fix the problem. Please. Please give me one last chance to fix the problem. Please, Laura. I'm not trying to hurt you. No, I'm not trying to hurt you. That does not want to hurt you. I want to live in my house and the kids live with you. Whatever days you want. Whatever days me and we go to sports and we do everything. But I'm not sleeping in this house. Laura, no one else has ever been in this house. No one else has ever been with me in this house. I would never disrespect you that way. I have never done anything like that. Yes, I've made a mistake. I agree. Can I please fix the problem, Laura? Please. Get your money. Fix your problems. The problem I want to fix is right here. I want to fix the problem with you, Laura. I don't want any other problems. I don't want any other shit. I want my family. Well, this is the only good thing I've got. Everything else has turned to shit. It really fucking has. My business has been yanked out from under me by vindictive people who are just trying to destroy me. Seriously, you might think that sounds like fucking paranoia, but it's a fact. It's a goddamn fact. People are coming to me from every goddamn direction trying to fucking yank me down. They really fucking are. The only thing I've had in my life that's good is you and my children. And you're taking all of that away from me. But you are. You're taking that they're at a police station. They're at a police station. My kids are at a fucking police station with some fucking lady that they don't even know right now instead of with their father who cares about them more than anything. Or up, please don't do this. Please. Look at me, please. Please. Please. I love you. I really do. I look. I acknowledge. I've made fucking mistakes. I'm not fucking perfect. I'm nowhere near perfect. I don't even. I can't even see perfect from where I'm at. But could you please please acknowledge the fact that you know I love you. You know I love you. Don't you? I love you and care about you more than anything, Laura. I do. Seriously, will you look at me? I love you and I care about you more than anything, Laura. You and my kids are the only thing in my life that's worth anything to me. And I will do anything to keep it. Okay. Well, anything that means give me a break, David. And prove it to me. Fix your problems. You're not coming back. You won't come back, Laura. You're going to you're going to walk out right now. And what's going to happen is as you like you said, you're you're done paying for everything. The house is going to get foreclosed on. I'm going to I'm going to end up being a hermit somewhere and and my kids will never I'll end up shooting myself in the fucking forehead or drinking myself to death. And then you'll be happy. If you want me to kill myself, just say so and I'll do it now. And I'm not joking. I've got a gun upstairs. I'll kill myself. Will that make you happy? No, David. I want us to do the best thing for the kids. No, I want to war up. Jesus, I care about you so much. Don't leave me. You're the only person that I I've trusted and cared about for 25 years, Laura. We've been together since we're kids. I care about you more than anything. But my life sucks, David. So does mine. Can we can we work together and fix it? Please? I think I deserve something else than people telling me all the time. All right. Well, first of all, you're right. You do deserve better. And I apologize. You deserve better. People should never. These pieces of shit that would call you and say these things are pieces of shit. Okay. I agree. And I'll I'll get them. Okay. They're trying anything that can you see that they're trying anything they can to hurt me. Nothing will make them happier than you to leave me. All that does is hurt me. And I'm sick being hurt all the time, time after time after time. Okay. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be though. It's not time after time after time after time after time after time. I've made mistakes. I agree. But I'm not perfect. I agree. But I mean, it's not like it's not like I went searching for anything. Accidents have happened. Mistakes have been made. I swear to God. And but they were mistakes. They're not I'm not perfect. I agree. Okay. I've made mistakes. It's but it's not like I'm I'm reading it a double life. It's not like I'm living somewhere else. You are leaving a double life. You visit her. You bring her money. And the last few weeks, I've had like $14 to buy groceries and she gets your money. Ask me for money. I give her money at the start of the month to help with him. Okay. She has a job. I've given her. What about me? Like that's our money. Okay. You're right. You're right. But I've got nothing. I have nothing. I have this house, which is a news around my neck. And I that's it. And I go to work all day. And then I bring you your genera upstairs. And I have I have I have nothing. I have my children and I have my job. And I just try to put my feet every day. Lay my bed. I'm like if I just get my foot on the ground. Then okay. Then what let's fix this together. Please. Please. Please. I don't want it, David. I'll give you every ounce every every penny of money I've got. I don't care about money. I just want to have a day where I have more than $14 to buy groceries. Okay. All right. I think I'm a fuckload of money. Okay. And I have nothing. Okay. I agree. We've had this problem for a while. Finally. There she has groceries. She has her own job. I gave her $300 a month. Okay. I'm not rich. I'm barely making it. I'm barely fucking surviving. My business is going in the tank. So what did you think was going to happen like? I didn't know. I didn't know how I was going to explain. And why would you hide your son? He's your son. More because I love you and I care about you and I didn't want to hurt you. And I'm embarrassed. But at this point, pride doesn't mean a goddamn thing to me. I'm embarrassed beyond all embarrassment. I didn't know what to do or how to do it. Okay. She used to be Maceo's girlfriend. Oh, you already know the whole story. Do you know everything? I'm sorry. Go ahead and tell me. Okay. She was Maceo's girlfriend. I was Maceo's friend. We ended up just somehow. It ended up where it ended up. Okay. She refused to have an opportunity. abortion and there it is. I'm stuck with the goddamn kid. I wanted more than anything to not have another child. I want more than any starting businesses with her and my kids names and her names all over everything together like you're a family. No, no. That right there was down there at the coffee shop. Okay, that was I had to start the LLC. She demanded to be a part of the LLC. I said here, fine then. If you can run this great and if you can make any money great and it never worked out, not for my kids names with her. Okay, your kids names are on the LLC in case she ever tried to do something where she tried to take anything. That wasn't herbs. Okay, that way she's not a majority own. I'm not trying. I've never tried to be Mr. subversive about anything and I knew someday I'd have to confront this issue and I didn't know how I was going to do it and it really weighed heavy on me. I don't know. I have no idea or had no idea how the hell I would deal with this. This is a huge problem and a huge embarrassment. I don't know what to do. It's embarrassing to me. I know. I know. I know. I like the biggest fucking loser on the planet. No, you're not. Yeah, I am. Come on. Don't don't don't. I don't I don't even hate you. I just Jesus Christ. I just can't you see that to be alone. I don't want you to be alone. That's the thing that I've never wanted. I've wanted to be with you. I love you. I love you. I've wanted us to be together for the longest time. Okay. But everywhere I go, people are telling me that you're with other people. Who was saying this? Who was saying this? It's everybody everywhere. Everybody everywhere is saying that that I'm with other people or I'm not. I'm with you. You're my wife. You are what I care about. You're who I love. I granted I haven't felt loved back for a long time. But I've wanted that. I figured maybe once, you know, we got this house situation worked out, then, you know, we, you know, things would be a little bit better for us. 42 years old. I am losing my home. Okay. You're not. I have nothing. I've no retirement plan. I have $400,000 of tax debt. And then we come after me. I talk. You don't hear. They're talking about me because I'm the only one with a paycheck. Hold on a second. There's no one's coming after you. This is getting handled. This is being handled by Fred. I've got the Warriors name. He's handling it. He's, he's really. Hey, this is being handled. Okay, you don't have $400,000 of tax debt. Don't think that it doesn't weigh on my head that they're sitting out there. But I'm handling it. I'm handling this. And when I talk to a Warriors, they'll leave me $2,000 a month to live on. And then I'm gonna be the person paying that back. You don't have $400,000 of tax debt. Okay. The, the IRS, what they did was they didn't accept those two years worth of, of taxes because they were repetitive. The, the tax changed that they made to $24,000. Then what they do is is they take that and then they just, they disallow the next two years. Okay, this is being fixed. I swear it. This is being fixed. Okay, I've already paid the attorney. I paid him a year and a half ago. Okay, I am working to fix these problems. I really am. Okay, well then come and find me when they're fixed. I can't, I can't, I can't even find my kids. You've taken my kids away from me, Laura. I don't want to come and find you when, I, I, I wish you would work with me. I am working with you and I'd love to see you tomorrow at wrestling. Or no, don't, no. Why can't we be a family? Why can't, why, all I want is you. I want you to love me. I've wanted that, that's all I've wanted is you to love me. I haven't felt it for a long time. I can tell you that honestly. I mean, I know you're, I know you're stressed and you're having a hard time, but I really am. I do have plans to fix that and I did want to fix that and I still do want to fix that. I want, I want us to be a happy family. My plans were to, to buy the house and then, and then, you know, I probably, I'm going to be able to work very much, but, you know, because I'm not going to have any money to put back into the business. And that's going to, you know, I'll just have to sell things off as they go. But then at least we don't have that enormous, you know, you know, a house bill. I really do have plans to fix this. I don't know how to fix that. I can't, I don't know, I don't know how to deal with that. I, I want, okay, could, could you forgive me? I love you. I know that much. If I can't, but it's your black kid. Would you forgive me? Laura, if it meant, if it meant you not leaving and our families staying together, I'd have to deal with it. I would have to deal with it. That's not bullshit. I would be hurt. I would be devastated. I'd be feeling all the same things that you're feeling. But I would still love you because you're the person I love that I'm married because I love you and because I cared about you. And we've been, we've been through so much. I can't, I can't even imagine being with anybody else. I can't imagine wanting to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anybody else. I don't want anyone else. And you can't live like this anymore. Okay. It's, it's, it's, it's so horrifying. I know. I know. I know. Believe me. I know. There isn't anything that I don't know better. I know that. But how can I, how could I come to you and say, jeez, honey, guess what I did? I fucked up again. Not only is, is everything else in turmoil, but I'm a complete fucking idiot. No, look at this enormous fucking blemish mistake I've made. And I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody fucking decided to, to, you know, really stick it in, in my side and call you. That's your phone. I said it. It was in my hand. That's gotta be your, your police friends. No, I know. Call. Okay. So as you can see, I have no friends in the entire universe. Okay. They give two shits about me. Everyone's out of fucking stabbing the back. I am not trying to fucking her to make those kids have a great life and help them with their careers and their wrestling and everything. Laura. And I think we can do that. But there's no, we can't do that separately. Laura. No, every, family that breaks up, the kids are destroyed by it. You know that, you know that, you know that as a fact that broken homes are terrible. Look at what Robin is, isn't make a good one. I'm not vindictive like her. Yeah. Well, things like that happen and I'm a piece of shit that would be vindictive because as soon as you're with somebody else, I'm gonna lose it. But that's going to happen. It will happen. Or you've turned yourself into a beautiful woman. All you care about is working out and being in shape. Otherwise, it's an antidepressant because it's the only thing that makes me feel better. Well, I wish I could fucking make you feel better. Look at what's happened to me. I've just turned to shit because I have no fucking dignity or self-respect about myself. I don't care about myself. Will you help me? No, no, no, no. Let's work together and make it better. Let's work together. together. Please let's work together. I'm doing all I can. Okay. And I died in my room and I didn't fucking care. Okay. That's how bad it is. What do you mean? When I had a heart attack. I knew what was happening and I died. I thought I'd died in there and then you know what happened. It doesn't woke up the next day. What are you talking about? When I was sick. When was this? The first time you had a heart attack. I passed out. I thought I was just done and you know why I didn't care. Because at that point I would have rather been dead. This is like a year ago. I knew when you took the baby stuff that you had a baby and I knew you had it with her and this whole time I've been thinking that I'm crazy. Because you had 14 stories about what you were doing with the stuff and I knew you were with her. I always know when you're with somebody. Okay. I'm not with her. I'm not with anybody. I'm with you. First of all, I'm not with her. You mean everything to me. You're the only woman in the world that ever has meant anything to me. But you cannot force me into the situation, David. But I'm going to try. Well, I care about you. You're the only thing I care about. I would rather see as both dead than now. I rather see me dead than not have you in my life. Because my children are going to be destroyed by this. They're going to be destroyed from this and it's all my fault. My children's lives are going to be fucked up because of this. I fucked. I fucked up everything with you. I fucked up everything with my kids. Everything. I would like to help you. I just can't stay here, please. I don't want you to go or I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to take my kids. They're fucking pictures. You took their pictures. Oh, please, please, please, let's us make this better together. Please, Laura, are you just looking for a way out? Are you just looking to make your run? Is that really what's going on here? Are you not listening to me at all? You don't really don't care about anything I've got to say. Is that really it? Oh, David, I care. I just, I've been over this 800,000 times alone. Okay. You've been over what? This whole scenario and there's not going to be a way that I'm going to feel better about that baby. Okay, there's not going to be a way that I'm going to be able to make you feel better about that baby. But can you forgive me for making a mistake? Because I'm not going to, the minute you're gone, I'm not running over and being with this baby, I'm not doing that. But you should. It's your obligation. No, I'm not going to. Okay, I'm not going to run over and be with any, I'm never going to be with that person. I am never, ever. You should, I, for your son, you should have your son half the time. He is yours and he deserves to have a good dad too. Well, will you accept him into the house? No. Okay, then, for all your kids, because they're yours and they need to serve a good, respectable dad. Okay, I'm not going to do anything that's going to jeopardize my chance with you. Or I'm not going to do, you know what, you know, I'm a pediatrician, right? I mean, I, I actually feel bad for that kid because I want him to have you as a dad. Or you need to be there for him too, David. I'm not going to do anything that will jeopardize us. Or I'm not going to do anything that will jeopardize us. I'm not going to do it. I want us. I want you and me. I want our kids. I want our family. That's what I want. That's the only thing I want. I don't want anything that will jeopardize us. I really do. I love you and care about you more than anything this entire world or and I would do anything to prove that. I don't want anything but you and my children in my life. That's it. And the only reason why I even had to deal with this other person is because there's a kid there. And yes, it's an enormous mistake, you know, but I do have to, I, you know, do have to take a responsibility for the kid in some way, but I don't, I've never brought it up to you and I've never admitted, you know, this terrible problem because of the problem it's going to cause me because I don't want to lose my family. I don't want to lose you. I love you. I love my kids. This is all I want is you and my children. It really is. It really, really is where I'm. What can I do? What can I do? Please tell me. What can I do? I know. I think you have the potential to be a great dad. You are a great dad. You need to be a dad to that kid. How can I ever been a good husband? I have been a good husband. I haven't been a perfect husband, but I've been a good husband. There are a whole lot worse husbands out there. I admit, I've got, I've got issues because, you know, because of how my mom fucked me up. I've got issues, you know, I've got some deep dark stuff that I've never told you. I got problems and I don't know how to deal with it. Okay, but, you know, what do you want to tell me? I mean, there's stuff that you need to say, then, get it off your chest. It's really embarrassing. Okay, well, I've been your friend since I was 16 years old. I know, but I never told you before. I've never, what? This is the part of the recording where Dave shares something personal with Laura. Okay, no one fucked up, okay? Everybody fucking leaves me. My mom left me. My grandma died. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry that that happened to you. [ Silence ] I think we should just work on a better situation for our kids, you know. We're on. I'm, I'm done, I'm so fucked up, okay? There's a lot of shit wrong with me. Okay David, I'm friends. Will you please help me fix anything with me? I would love to help you. Will you please stay my wife? Yes, I can't put too much more than anything, you're right. I need to be fixing myself, you, you, what about me and this? Please, I know. I will do anything to help. I will do anything. I will do anything. I will do anything. Please don't leave. Please don't take my kids. Please. I know. I know. I will do anything. David, we're all just going together. I'll pour my heart out to a psychiatrist. I'll tell him everything and I will get better. I will get better. I will do anything. I will do anything to keep you. Anything. Please don't leave. Please. Please. Please. You're the only thing I want in this entire world. What about my mental health? Okay, whatever I, I will do anything to make that, to make that better, to make it better for you. I will do anything to make it better. I will get help. I will be the best husband in the world to you. I will be who I've never been. I will do anything. Please. Please, you're the only thing I care about. I don't care about anything in this world except you at this point in my life. And my kids, of course. These are the things that I care about. More than anything. I want you to love me again. Okay, we can work on it, David. But I need some recovery time. I, you cannot imagine what I have been through with this. It's not a very easy thing to get over your spouse having a kid, but somebody else, it's not a joke. - David? - I know it's not, Laura. I know I made a mistake. I know I made an enormous mistake. A huge mistake, the biggest mistake ever. And there's no way for me to fix it. There's no way for me to, there's no way that you don't, I can't just fix that. I begged and pleaded with this person to please not have a child. Please, don't have a child. Please, please, this is going to destroy my life. Someday it's gonna come up and destroy my life. , you're not gonna tell anybody about that, are you? - No, David. - I would like to help you. I want a great life for our kids. I want us to get along. That's what I really want. - But you don't want anything to do with me. - I do not want to live in this house with you right now. Well, we have major problems. And I, I can barely function right now. - I feel the same way. - But I have to. And then it got to the point. My student loans, I couldn't defer them anymore. I, there's nothing I've just, and imagine myself a steam. - Imagine how I feel. For one second. - No, I'm not good enough for you. - No, I can't. - I can't pay the bills. I can't, I'm just, I dry so our, so many hours every day. - I know. - And it's never enough. - I know. It's not that you're not going up. I don't ever think that. - Well, that's how it feels, David. But I, I'm, what's that? - I know what I feel. - I know what the dudes are. - You know what I felt? I feel like I haven't been loved. And I feel like I'm not good enough. You're, you're, you're, while we talented, you're, you're beautiful. - And then I, I was so excited to tell you about the top dog thing. And you said, oh, that's just, I don't know if it's making a mistake, it's just political. I mean, I was joking, but it, Jesus. - But it just, I, - Oh my God. - I was so excited for myself. - Word, since the biggest deal. - I expected. Oh my God, you're, Jesus Christ, you get it every time. You're, God, what, what do you mean? How do you not have the highest self-esteem? Look at yourself. (footsteps) You're the most talented person I know. You're so accomplished, you're so good-looking. And look at me. I've just turned to shit. Everything in my life has turned to shit. Haven't you noticed I've gained like, fucking 30 pounds in the past year or so? - I know. - Haven't you noticed how much I'm drinking? I know, and you know what that makes me feel like? I'm not good enough. I think you're happy because then you have to drink just to be around it. - No. I have to drink and escape the problems I've done. 'Cause I don't know how to come to you for help. I mean, I've got plans in the back of my head and I'm trying to make them all work out. But it's like when I tell you about the plan, you're like, when I told you I wanted to buy the house. - Yeah, but every single thing you do is illegal. - No, it's not. Everything, I don't do everything illegal. What do I do that's illegal? My business isn't illegal. It's not perfect, but it's not illegal. It's not illegal. - What about the fire? - That's not, I'm not responsible for that. Are you blaming me for that? - I don't know. I'm asking you about it, I'm not blaming you. - No, why would you blame me for that? - I'm asking you. - I was here, you were here with me. We were here. I have nothing to do with it. For all I know fucking Jesse and Chris fucking set the place on fire to fuck me then. I'm not trying to go to prison, Laura. I'm not trying to fucking be away from my family. - I just, sometimes it seems like if we just did things rationally, you know? And I don't understand what's going on with your business. I mean, just nothing makes sense. I don't do things irrationally, I granted, I'm not the most brilliant businessman in the world, but. I mean, the tax thing is getting fixed, it is. It really is. The fucking the attorney, I had to get in this stuff last week, the stuff that they sent back to us. I gave it to him last week. He said that that's coming up. You can call him. You can call him and ask him if you don't believe me. He's handling that fucking. Like an independent arbitrator, he's handling it. Okay, I swear to you. That's being handled. I talked to the guy from the insurance company, the well, there's two different insurance companies, but he's got approval already this week. He's, I heard from him on Thursday. This week he's supposed to send me a check for $30,000 for the one truck. That's 80% of it because he can do that right away. Then he's gonna send me the other 20% of it. And then the big truck is probably gonna take another week because he has to get approval, but that's like $150,000. Okay. And the attorney's on, the attorney for the other insurance company. He said that that has been kicked to a supervisor on the insurance company's side and that that guy's going to more than likely cut a check on that. And when we do that, that'll be like $400,000 we can buy the house or we'll buy another house whatever whatever you want I'll give it all to you you can have it you can be in control of everything I don't care I just I just don't want to lose you and my family because believe it or not I really do love you believe it or not okay I know I'm not perfect I know I've made a lot of fucking stupid mistakes I mean a lot of stupid mistakes I know it but I really do care about you and I really do only want you in this world that's all I want you and my kids that's it I mean I want you to love me I wish I wish you love me more physically I really do honestly Laura I look at me I swear to you I really wish you love me physically I mean I know I'm not attractive I you know I know I know I'm you know you know but I'll get in shape I'll do whatever I have to do if you know if I need to get in shape do you know to be more attractive I will if I'm not attractive I'll do anything I have to do the problem is I know I've lost my own self respect and it's hard for me to be attracted to you when I'm thinking about you being with her okay that's a big mental barrier you just said yourself you wouldn't be able to handle me being with someone else you'd lose it well I've lost it I would lose it but I'm I lost it okay but I would regroup because I don't want to lose my family and I don't want to lose the the woman I love I don't want to lose that why would I lose it why would I lose it because I don't want to lose the woman that I care about that's why I would lose it I don't want to lose who I love and care about and who I want to be with that's what I don't want to lose I don't want to lose that because you really are the person that I love you're my wife Laura and you think if I love some other woman why wouldn't I just leave why wouldn't I just try to take half your money and leave why wouldn't I do that why would I even be here arguing and and pleading with you and telling you my deepest and darkest fucking secret if if if I wanted anything other than you I'm sure of some fucking shyster divorce attorney say hey you helped her all this time you could get half of that why why wouldn't I why wouldn't I do that if I wanted that I don't want anything but you you're what I want I don't care about any of that other shit I want you and my children I want my family that's the only thing in this world that I want and I know you're probably not being honest with me when you're telling me that you're not seeing another guy you had to have guys come over here to move all the stuff out but if you did I wouldn't fucking be happy you're right I fucking lose it but I'm I would have to find a way to get past it I don't want to hurt you David I'm not here that's all this is doing to me is hurting me just stick into it I gotta give you that Laura you're sticking to it I don't want to lose you and I don't want to lose my kids and I said I want to create the best scenario that you can it's the most positive for them with two parents that love them and don't fight about it and you want to take them to wrestling you want to take them to football and I'm going to be right there no I want my kids I want to I want to wake up in the house with them I want to be in the house when they go to sleep I want you know when when they wake up in the middle of the night you know when I come out and I say hey what you doing bud I'm just going to back them bad you know I I don't want to lose that Laura Jesus this is going to fuck them up this is going to destroy them you he needs us oh my god can you please please find it in your heart to try to forgive me and let me do everything and anything I can to fix my problems can you please please please I don't think that I can live with myself with my self-esteem any lower I feel like crap tell me what I can do to make you feel better please or you know you can you know you know you know that you can find a way if you really want to you just don't want to you're that mad at me you don't want to you just don't want to but you know you could please we can't force it all I'm asking you is to give me a break where did you move to just the road and Gilbert you see you won't even tell me where you just you want to you know where the divorce papers they are there to hear you've already been talking to lawyers where they are but you have them just talking about it what did you tell the children I told them I'd be back in a few minutes and you left them at the police station I left them with my friend at the police station where are they spending the night at with me out of their home away from their away from their rooms or from their beds did you take all their clothes no I left their stuff here so they can be here with you and it can be there with me I'm not gonna be able to live here obviously all of their stuff is here because I'm not here to hurt you no you are here that's fine you're just like the rest of them you don't you nobody gives a shit that's fine I do give a shit and I want to help you I'd be glad to help you I just can't stay in the house and do no that whatever okay okay I love you and I care about you and I want you okay well let's work on it but I can't stay in this house and look on it right now I'm just so far down I try to be good I go to church I go do exercise try to anything to make myself feel better and I still feel like right why don't you do stuff with me I guess if you want to go to church 100 times okay why can't we do something that is fun for us together why can't we do stuff together something something where I don't have to walk 800 miles on a knee that already hurts why can't we do stuff together that will bring us closer together and maybe you know a you there might be a spark between us and you might care about me physically you might love me again why can't we do stuff like that I'd be happy to start trying to do that but right now I'm very you just want to be single very I don't care about that put yourself in great shape out there on the market have a great time that's what you want clearly no it's not yeah it's a lot because you don't want me you haven't wanted me in a very very long time I mean what I I know that you're you're up here and I'm right here I didn't expect I'm known for two years that you've had a kid and I thought I was crazy first though you haven't known for two years because there hasn't been a kid for two years okay well it's birthdays coming up okay well he's not two years old so you haven't known for two years that I've had a kid why didn't you when you cared about. The last day that you gave a shit, why don't you say something so we can fix it? 'Cause I didn't know how to say something. And I wanted to fuckin' fix this problem. I wanted to fix it because there's nothing else I want other than this. - Because every time I've approached you with these problems, it's. - I lose it? Okay, I understand. I lose it. But I've never been faced with the fact of having to lose you. - There's stuff that's here. They're gonna be here whatever nights you want. You know, you can deduce sports with them every night and I will be there every night. - Laura, I want you as well. I want you. So tell me what track I have to get on to get you back. - I want you to let me walk out this door. - Bob, I'm sitting on the floor. - And we can talk tomorrow. We can talk next to you. We can talk every day. - You don't, you won't, you won't come back. - He doesn't, I'm pretty sure we hide it pretty good. - Do you. - Really? - Yes. Every time you're horribly upset with him, he gets ahead and can throw us up. He feeds off us all the time. And then when I spend a lot of time. - I need to get ahead and can throw up. When did he do this? - He's done like three or four times recently. After you go upstairs, he throws up his dinner or he throws up in the bathroom. There's a lot of stress on that kid, okay? And then in another weird way, when I'm spending a lot of time with him, they'll be like after spring break or something. And I'm really trying to be like so positive with him. He goes back to school and gets in a ton of trouble when I ask him why he says, 'cause I want to be with you, Mom. I want to do the fun things that we did last weekend or something. And then I feel like I'm like overcompensating. You know what I mean? It's just like this head never ending. - And this is going to work out so well with us apart. Boy, if you want to fuck up the kids, and you want to have fucked up kids and you want to go out and do whatever you want to do and you want to see me run off the edge, then go ahead. You got to do what you got here. I took your keys by the way, 'cause I didn't want you to leave. You don't do what you got to do, huh? - I have to go and I don't want to fight with you. - No, I know you don't want to fight with me. You just want to do this and it's-- - And I want to see you tomorrow. - No, you don't. You don't-- - I don't-- - You don't-- - When are my kids coming home? - Tomorrow night? - 'Cause that's all I'm gonna have to care about because you don't, you, it's clear you don't care about me. - Thank you. - But every day is you want tomorrow night after-- - I want them, I want them every night this week. - And then I have the weekend? I mean, the thing is-- - No, I want my children. You said I can have them any time I want them. I want them. I want my children. - Okay. - No, I don't. - What is happening? - Laura, I don't know, the law isn't. Laura, you see, you're just telling me you don't want to be vindictive and hurt me. But that's exactly what you're doing. When you're taking my kids away from me, that's what you're doing. You're hurting me. You're taking my children away from me. You're hurting me. You're right now what you're doing is you're taking an opportune time to leave me with everything hanging over my head. And here you go, Dave. - Here you go, Dave. - Maybe you can take a picture. - Here you go, Dave. Here you go, Dave, here you go. No, that, you know, this is exactly what everybody's wanted. This is exactly what everyone who's been stabbing in the eye has been hoping for. This is great. This is exactly it. - It's great. - They can come home tomorrow after the rest of the week. And we will. - I want my children tonight. - We'll both see them every day. I want them to wake up and go to school. They're gonna wake up when Stacy gets here. Take them to school and that'll be it. I want my children. I want my children tonight. You're gonna leave me alone in this house. You're gonna take my kids and just run off and do whatever to somebody, some strange house. I don't even know where my kids are. I don't even know where they are. And some strange house. I want my kids tonight. I want them in their house tonight. I don't want my children away. If you want us, if you're gonna fuck me and destroy me and hurt me, that's fine. I'm gonna have to pick up my ass and live with it. Okay, I don't know what else to do. That's all I can do. I wish I could do anything to fix this. But you're telling me that it's just not gonna happen. I see it, I smell it, I feel it. It's not gonna happen. You're not gonna forgive me. You're not gonna give me a chance. You're not. You know it. You've said it, that's it. You've got the papers, you're gonna file them and that's it. You're just waiting to do this thing. I want my children. I want them here. I want them in the house. This isn't fair to me. It's not, this is not fair. And I understand that me saying something fair is not probably the right terminology that I should be using because I haven't been fair to you. But I want my kids. These are my kids. I love them and care about them. I don't want them in some strange house. They should be in their beds. Wake up in their beds. Go to school. I want my children here. This isn't fair. This isn't fair to them. You want to talk about not doing things to them? That's exactly what this is doing. The first second of this, what you're doing here is destroying. I'll tell you what, for all the mistakes I've made, the last thing I wanted is to destroy my family. That's the last thing in the world that I wanted. The last thing is to destroy my family. I don't want them hurt. I never wanted you hurt. Never once have I wanted you hurt. That's why I'm obviously concealed everything because I've never wanted you hurt. Ever because I care about you and I love you. But I love my kids too. They're a piece of me. I can't be without my children. If you've got to go, then you've got to go. And you've got to go, be sane, that's fine. But I've got to have my children. These are my sons. These are a piece of me. These are the only things in this world that are proof that I've been here. There's, I have nothing else. I have no family, nothing. Fucking, I've got to have that uncle. Are you kidding me? This is the only family I've got as those boys. That's what I love, that's what I care about. You can't take them from me. You cannot. I'm not going to, I'm not going to, no, I'm not going to go for that one. A lot of things will happen before my kids will be taken from me, Laura. You can go spend the night at your cop friend's house, day to cop, all, whatever you got to do. But my kids are going to be with me. Come hell or high water. I'm sorry, but I've got to fight me now. These are my children. And if it takes me doing something crazy, I'll do it. Because you know I'm capable of it. And you know I love my children. Those are the two things you're not going to cross. Do not take my children. Do you understand me? Where are my children? I'll get them. No, I'll get them. I want my children. I'm not going to just trust you. They're with the police. I, well, you have the police bring them here. That was about them. No, you can do this here. Can't let me step outside, OK? And I'll sit. At this point, Laura steps out and makes a call to the person who has her kids. And then the audio cuts off. When the deputies go to arrest Dave, they have not listened to this whole recording yet. But they show up with a huge police presence. mostly because of the threat Laura accused Dave of making and the weapons that she said he had. The following Bodycam audio of their conversation with Dave has been edited for Time and Clarity and it's going to pick up at the point where Dave has already been put in handcuffs. The reason I'm here is your wife. After she left, she called the sheriff's office saying that you and her were involved in altercation, where she alleged that you wouldn't literally you tried to choke her a couple times. Every time she would go out the door, you would grab her by the throw and pull her back in while you guys talked for like an hour, hour and a half. I'm telling you what she's alleging. She said during which time you threatened that neither one of you would get out of it alive, you'd kill her and yourself. Then you took that back and said you'd only kill yourself. That and itself I have a problem with because I don't want to. I didn't choke her, I didn't touch her, I didn't grab her. I asked her if she wanted me, you know, I was at that point, I get home from a trip, you know, taking my children to a wrestling tournament, gone all weekend and I'm slapped in the face with mistakes that I've made which, you know, I fully acknowledge the mistakes that I've made. What started the whole thing tonight? She handed me a notebook saying that the reason why she's leaving is because I've had an affair. Okay. And, you know, I told her that I wanted to make it right, I wanted to make it better. I didn't want to delete. Please don't read me, you know, and in the, in the, you know, what I kill myself, I asked if that was something that she wanted. I'm like, what do you want me to do? Do you want me to shoot myself? What do you want me to do? What do I need to do to prove to you how much I love you? Care about you. Okay. Of course, a conversation. Did you make reference to you killing both of you and her? No, absolutely not. Absolutely. In fact, I didn't even say I would feel like I asked if that's what she wanted. Okay. Because I have an hour and I think 20 minutes or the audio recordings I haven't listened to yet, it has the whole conversation you guys have. Okay. That's why I'm asking you, before I go and spend an hour and 20 minutes listening to it, what am I going to humor out there? No, no, I don't, I don't think I said that I would kill her ever. No, you don't think or you didn't. I don't think I did. Okay. Well, look, I was really upset and I was, you know, a very, very, very upset. Okay, but she was very fearful when she was talking to me, which is why you see the police presence you see here when I came to talk to you, understood because she was worried that you might do something when we get here, whether it be there's something like shoot at us, shoot yourself, all the things that we want to prevent. That's why there was a show of force. I hear you. I hear you. You go to do your job. I'd rather be here with a bunch of cops and nothing happened to be here by myself when I have to wait for somebody to show up. Understood, understood. A lot of crazy stuff going on. No, like I said, you know, I don't think I ever said I would kill her. And I obviously would never do it. But the simple fact, this was the mother's my children. I love her very much and I care for her very much. Unfortunately, people do stupid things, you see it on the news all the time. People love each other and they still shoot each other. You're right, you're right. In moments of anger and yeah, irrational, irrational thinking, yeah, I understand and sure, I was at that point, I was probably very irrational, but not to the point where I'm going to you know, punch her or choke her or any of that stuff. Okay. Would you have said anything to make her concerned that you would be coming after her, the way she would have to be fearful of you? Well, I did say, you know, hey, I'm not going to let you take my kids. Okay. I'm not going to let you take my kids. You know, I'm not going to let you take my kids. Was there any threat to any other bodily harm, not the extent of killing her, but something else that she would have been fearful of? What do you mean? That's what I'm asking you to. Like if she was to take the kids where you hurt her? No, no, no. I mean, obviously, I mean, if she's going to leave and I can't get her to forgive me and understand, you know, and she's passed the point of understanding. Then okay, then I've, you know, I've got to go into, hey, I've got to fight for my kids. Okay. I've got to fight for my kids. I've got you know, I've got to get an attorney. I mean, if you look on my phone, that's, you know, when you call, that's what I was doing. I was looking up Arizona divorce law. Okay. And I inflicted on my phone, you know, then how many kids do you share together? Three. Three. And how long have you guys been married? Since 1991. It's a long time. Yeah, it's 22 years. That was there any type of field physical altercation between either you or her, putting her hands on you or anything? No, I mean, when the only time we ever even got body to body was, um, was I, you know, I hugged her and she didn't want to hug me back. Okay. And then one, one was this tug as you call it. I have to kind of have it all laid out. I got you. I got to get things from your perspective. I got you. Um, she, uh, was it like at the door and did you pull her back inside when you did it? What, tell me what happened. Um, okay. So I knew something was going on. Okay. Um, when I first came home, she, um, she immediately took the kid and said, we're going to Walmart. So, uh, just like, okay, so I go in the house, I'm starting to put stuff away in and the bedroom door is locked. I'm like, okay, what's the bedroom? I'm looking around for one of those little things to open the door. I can't find it. So I go around to the back door and I go in there, the bedroom, and everything's gone. And I'm like, oh, shit. What, what just happened here? So I start calling her. I'm like, Hey, you know, are you still at Walmart? Uh, no, I'm like, okay, uh, what time you come back? Can you bring a pizza? You know, I'm, I'm trying to feel what's going on here. Um, so sure. I'm a pizza. So, um, it had been a while. So I'm getting ready to leave. So, you know, because I think maybe she's at, um, another friend of her house, our friend of her house. Okay. Um, so I pull out and I see her pulling. So I pull in, um, you know, I turn around and come back. She said, your pizza's upstairs. Um, and I met her at the garage to the house door. Okay. She was coming out and I'm like, Hey, what's wrong? Because I knew something was going on. She hands me this and says, um, uh, something to the effect of I can't do this anymore. Um, and we start talking. Um, we, you know, and I'm just, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, strike her or anything. I, you know, I know I did put my arms around here. I'm like, Hey, you know, come on. Let's talk. Let's talk. Please, let's talk. Um, we move into the living room. Um, we're talking there. Um, but, but before, hold on, but before, um, I, um, went in the house, I reached into her, um, her car and I took the car keys, which one was her car? Well, it's not here at the top. The top. Okay. I took the top keys, put them on my pocket because I wanted to talk to her. Okay. Um, so we get towards the back door. We're talking. Um, I don't remember everything that was said. Um, you know, basically I'm pleading. Okay. Um, you know, to, you know, give me another chance. She has the dog and I think she's going to take the dog for walks. We start to walk outside. And then, um, I was like towards the driveway side and she, um, she, I don't know if like, she was letting the dog go or what, but she like started to bolt that way and I'm like, let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. Um, and I do think she said something like, you're not letting me. Okay. Um, now that I'm thinking about all this in hindsight, I feel like I must have been set up for this because I do believe she did say something. You're not letting me leave. And, and I'm just like, you know, I just want to talk to you. Okay. I love you. I want to talk to you. And, you know, we talked for a while longer and, you know, and I, you know, bared my soul and she's just like, you know, You know, I don't want to do this, I don't want to do, you know, I'm like, okay, you know, I give her back her keys and I'm like, if you're going, if you're going, you're going, you know, you got to go, you got to go, she didn't know I had the keys, I took them, I'm like, well, I'm going to get them to meet these, and did her, you at any point, take her phone away from her. I didn't take her phone from her, she, she cares, two phones, but. Okay. I, I had my arms around, I was hugging her, I was like, please, please, please don't go. And her phone is in one of those little slip things, and it slipped in my hand, I just set it down. Okay. And I, and I, in fact, told her, I'm like, because like, your phone went off or something like that. And she didn't realize, and I'm like, you know, what's over here, it's on the couch, I said, I didn't realize, you know, I was more focused on talking to her. Right. But she still had another phone, probably. I mean, if she really felt inferior of her life, she could have called her, you know. During her conversation with her while you were inside, did you stand between her and the door to make her think she couldn't leave or anything. No, I sat on the ground. I was sitting on the ground. Where at? In the home. In the house. I was home. A couple of times, I'll lean back on to the. Like the bar. Okay. Like the kitchen area? Yes. Okay. And she was sitting on the edge of the couch by the door. Okay. Wow, I was talking to her. And I mean, if she, you know, if she wanted to, you know, she could have walked right out. And I think I made reference to that, you know, if you're, you know, if you want to walk out, you can walk out. What? You know, I'm, you know, I love you. I'm trying to salvage this. Okay. So, you know, that was it. Okay. And then she, I told her, you know, I'm like, hey, you know, she's like, you can have the kids anytime you want them. I'm like, well, then, you know, I want them. You know, I want them now. I want them tonight. You know, they're, they're, you know, she told me she, she left them with her friend, you know, the cop. Who's going to, you know, take them to the police station. I'm like, my kid, they're a police station. No, they don't. They don't know what's going on with, with their dad. They don't know anything. Do you or her have any kids from any other relationships? Um, I do. Which is a problem. Okay. What about her? Does she have any kids from any other relationship or just a three that you guys have? No, she, no, she is. Okay. I mean, I've noticed that she was. Oh, I'm just asking. So I just want to count for everybody. Okay. Yeah. Um, so that's, you know, that's basically it. And I'm just like, where are my kids? Where are my kids? You know, I want my kids. I want them tonight. Okay. And she's like, okay, well, let me, let me go, let me go call. I'm like, no, have your friend bring the kids here. You know, let me, she's like, let me go pick them up and bring them around. No, have your, have your friend bring them here? We'll go get them. You know, I don't trust that. Okay. And, right. So she goes outside. She, um, I don't know. She feigned to make a phone call or actually made a phone call. But then, you know, I sat inside for, you know, 10, 15 minutes before, you know, I walked outside. No one would already know that she left. Okay. Up until today, have you guys had any other problems? Have you been arguing more lately? Anything about that? I actually know. I mean, we, I mean, we're civil to each other. I mean, we haven't been perfect. But, um, the closest time we've had to, you know, any, any argument was probably, Jesus, eight months ago. Um, and we just, you know, I thought at that point, maybe we were going to, you know, hit the skits. Um, you know, it was just like, you know, I, you know, I want to have my kids. If, you know, for not going to be together, I want to have, you know, primary custody of my kids. Okay. Which I do believe is the, you know, honestly, now on hindsight, I believe that this entire knife was engineered to, you know, to make me look like a jackass. Well, as far as the kids go, I don't, well, what I'm doing doesn't determine who gets custody of who or anything. That has to go through a family court judge and the family court judge has to decide that there's nothing to do with what's going on right now who has custody of the kids. Understood. Well, obviously if, if she's going to try, you know, she's obviously trying to get me into trouble. If she can get me into trouble, then that, you know, that weighs against me. Oh, again, this is a criminal side versus the family court side. Well, I mean, yeah, they can tie together, but if I'm a criminal, they're not going to be me. This won't be a deciding factor if you're going to get your kids or not. Now, and you still have to be convicted. Right now, you're not guilty of any crimes. You have to go through the court process before you're found guilty and convicted of a crime and be, as you said, a criminal. I understand, but I mean tonight is just enough. Tonight allegations are one thing that's not a definite thing. She made allegations, so that's why I'm here investigating things. Because I haven't listened to the whole hour and 20-minute-long recording that she gave me. Okay. That's sitting on my computer right now to listen to it. Okay. And I'm trying to get to the bottom of what would actually happen because sometimes even just because she's the one that called 911, or the Monomer, it doesn't mean everything went the way she said it went. I guess so. That's why I'm here to talk to you as well. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, I was a rational, you know, as an idiot. I was begging for my. The reason you saw the presence always because of what she told me initially about firearms. You may not be cooperative, this and that, so rather than take a chance. I got you. I didn't do. You came out, just fine. You cooperated, just fine. But I had no. Well, I'm calmer now. You know, I'm trying to piece together a little bit. For my safety for all there. So if that's why things went down the way they did. It doesn't increase the severity of anything. You don't have to explain that. I understand that. I mean, my only negative thought right now is like, Jesus Christ. Did I say something that I didn't mean? That's going to be used against me. You know, I'm trying to think right. Did I say something ridiculous that I didn't mean? And I don't think I did. As far as anything said, the thing that I'm most concerned about is if you threaten to kill her or yourself. Yeah, I have two things that I don't think I. Because. It's possible you look at it and read it or. Well, I'm going to have to listen to it. Yeah, I'm not for sure. I don't. I mean, look. I mean, I. I may have said something. It's completely possible. I don't think I did. I mean, I was in there for a long time. You know, begging for my, you know, my life, my livelihood. You know, my kind of life. You know, trying to salvage what was there. And if I said something stupid, he wouldn't definitely be. And the only way I could chalk it up, anything is just being a rational thought. Okay. Nothing behind it. All right. Now, off the subject, where are the weapons in the house? There's stairs in the. It's like a. It's like a little. Quasid area. And if you go into that, there's a. To the far, like if you walk in it, to the far left-hand side, there's a shotgun case. And it's got a shotgun in it with a trigger guard and some of what we did. And the. Actually, the. The pistol is probably with it in the case. Okay. So there's just the two guns? Yeah. All right. And then at my office, I have a gun. Okay. And your office in Phoenix? Yes. Now, would you be okay with me to take him for tonight as a safekeeping thing and hold on to him so there's no allegations in the future coming up? No, I don't. Obviously not. I don't want. You know, I don't want to have to go through any of that if. You know, I. Honestly, I. Irregardless of anything that has been said, I don't feel as though I've done anything to, you know, put anyone in jeopardy or harm. Okay. So. Well, I'm going to talk to my partner a little bit and I've got to listen to some of that recording. So I kind of know what. If any of the allegations were true, because I'm not going to charge you a thing you didn't do, or I allegedly didn't do. Okay. Well, I mean, I appreciate it. All right. I try to do my job as far as possible. I've got you. Okay. But these are loosely. I'm just. I've been on a long time since I've been in any cuts in history. What were your handcuffs before? I had a guy road rage me about four years ago, right out here. I was in my big tow truck. So I pulled him in the center of the vibe, because more than two lanes go to one. I pulled him in the. You know, the satellite he lived in, what did I see and where it lived? All right. And I just stopped there and sat there. And that turn around, it came back. No, were you arrested for that? - Yeah, actually, what happened was is. The guy, I never got out of my truck, the guy kicked my door in, the officer, Gilbert officer, he took me down and charged me with either to sort of the conduct or something. And it got like the way because there was no evidence. Okay, did you go to jail that night or just get a ticket? No, I came. Yeah, they had me drive my truck in here, they'd put me down, book me in, and then that same officer drove me back. Yeah, I think once he realized that, you know, I didn't do anything, because he came out the next day in politics, I guess. Okay. So, I mean, you're kind of a big gal, but I'll put a second set on you so you have a little bit of room to move. Well, thank you. So go ahead and, I guess, with that part of me, I'll go ahead and step out and then face the vehicle. Okay. My report on Nicole and I found this audio incredibly insightful. I mean, we could spend all day guessing how Laura felt about her marriage or her safety when leaving that marriage, but you can only get so much when trying to read between black and white lines on a police report. To hear it in her own words, I mean, it's hard to overstate how important this was. So thank you to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for fulfilling this request. This is how it's supposed to work. And I think hearing this now raises a lot more questions, not just about Laura's case, but even about Nick Cordova's too. If you remember from Nick Cordova's episode, Dave had told officers that the gun he had in his office, he had just gotten because of a domestic custody dispute that he was having in 2020. Well, maybe that gun was new, but Dave was pretty clear here. He had a gun in his office as early as 2013. Did something just get lost in translation or should we read more into that? I also think Laura had a lot of information about Dave's business dealings, information that I think could be critical to understanding how this man operated then and in 2020, maybe even now. And a couple of questions are top of mind for me coming out of hearing this. One, what fire was Laura referencing? Does anyone out there know about a fire that happened, which was somehow connected to one of Dave's businesses? Second, what is the deal with this $400,000 of tax debt that Laura is talking about being in, that they're going to be coming after her for? And more importantly, I would love to know more about all those insurance payouts that Dave seemed to be expecting to help them get in a good spot. And third and finally, we obviously looked into all the businesses Dave had in his name, but at one point Laura accused Dave of starting a business with his mistress and putting his and Laura's children's names on the LLC to ensure the woman wouldn't become a majority owner or take anything that wasn't hers. Now I feel like I have to go down another rabbit hole. Does this LLC still exist? What is it? Do any of you out there know? You guys have been incredible with reaching out and sharing information. This audio that we got is not the only tip we've gotten in relation to this case. And I promise when we have more, I'll be back in the meantime. Keep it coming you guys. I said it before, but I mean it just because the episode ends does not mean our reporting stops. So you can reach out to us anytime by emailing [email protected]. 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