Unlocking the Next Chapter: How Cyn Meyer's Second Wind Movement Can Transform Your Retirement Journey

[MUSIC] Hey everybody, welcome to Adventure Retired. The podcast where retired people share what they're doing in their retirement to help inspire you to live your best retired life. We are Curtin, Cindy, LiljaDoll, your host. And today we're going to talk to... Sin Meyers. Yes. Sin reached out to us. She is a retirement life coach. Yes. She's not retired, but she has got some great, great information for retired people. Yeah. It's super interesting. I'm looking forward to hearing what we're doing. You'll notice you might hear a bird in the background. It's a seagull. Yeah. We're doing a podcast taping at the condo we stay at in Port Aransas, Texas. And as we are on the back patio, you know, overlooking the ocean. It's just kind of pretty to hear the seagulls and... First, a life lesson from Curt's book, Fix a Problem and Other Life Lessons from a Pragmatic Dad. Since we're at the beach, this is an easy one. We're a sunscreen. Yeah. Protection. You know, I mean, have a hat, have a shirt on. Oh yeah, we all look better with suntans, but you don't look really good with skin cancer, which Cindy has had some problems with. Been battling. I'm lucky it's not been, you know, melanomas, but I just, you know, I'm a fair skinned person and I had a swimming pool in my backyard and unfortunately, you know... Yeah, you got to just take care of yourself. Put the sunscreen on, putting on the nose. Now I'm paying for it. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's get on to the episode. Today, we're talking to Sin Meier. Hi, Sin. How are you? Good. Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. You bet. Hey, Sin. C-Y-N. Is that short for Cindy? Like my wife here? Yes. Short for Cynthia. Okay. All right. Well, I'm Cindy only. She's just a regular Cindy. Ah, nice. I haven't met a Cindy only. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We're talking to you today because you have an interesting career. You're not retired yet. Is that correct? I'm not retired yet. 43. 43. But you are a retirement coach. Is that, is that the proper terminology? Yes. A retirement life coach. Life coach. Okay. That's great. And it's amazing, you know, as you get older, life coaches seem to be, I'm seeing it more and more. I mean, is that a, is that a new thing? Is that something that's come out in the last 20 years? Yes. I would say it's gaining popularity, just like therapy, counseling that was initially not as mainstream. Right. Life coaching is doing the same swell. Oh, that's wonderful. That's wonderful. And cheating by, by being a life coach to retired people, cause we're near the end of our life, sadly, but the beginning, I always say of a big growth journey, a big growth opportunity. Oh yeah. So that's kind of like my personal mission to slip that, right? Yeah. It's not time to wind down. It's time to ramp up. Oh yeah. In a different way. Definitely ramp up. We, we actually had an uncle that was retired longer than he worked. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's so awesome. He was 202 and he retired in his, in I think late 40s, early 50s, and it was like, wow, how cool is that? Yes. And we don't think about it like that, right? In our stereotypical culture, we're like, oh no, it's time to just chill, wind down, you know? So it's, that's a great point where you're like, no, there's actually more years that you got to fill with some like major activity and sometimes it's longer than your career. Oh yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Have you always been a retirement life coach or have you done something else in your career? So definitely not always a retirement life coach. I went to business school, went to UC Berkeley thinking I would work in the music business industry. And so I went in some marketing and I had like a 20 year career in marketing and I worked up to marketing director across like a wide range of industries. So from non-profit art to for-profit corporations and also at the end, it was also financial advisors. And so that's where this demographic of older adults, that was like my first major contact, but I had always wanted to work with this audience. I grew up playing music in retirement homes. So I saw early on what happens with a sedentary lifestyle. And then both my grandparents got hit with Alzheimer's at end of life. And then in 2011, my dad got hit with brain surgery and 38 rounds of radiation. So I really like dove deep into neuroplasticity and neuroscience. And then just always having this draw to the older audience, I just was compelled to get my life coaching certification while being a marketing director. And I just kind of started this as a passion project in the background. Okay. So that's how I started. Yeah. And I feel for you with your father, my mom just died September. She just died and her last two years were in a memory care unit. And that's just, you know, she was still pretty happy until the very end there, but that's just tough to watch. But I commend you for your parents for raising you to go to the homes like that because music was huge for my mother-in-law. And even into her, when we put her into the assistant living into memory care, music was a big part of her life. As a matter of fact, my brother still goes down there that she's passed, but he'll still go down there with a little group that he has with his wife and they'll play for him. Just, uh, it's a good thing. Oh, that's so awesome. Yes. Yes. I think it reaches places where when just normal conversation doesn't, right? Yes. It's the last memory to go, like the emotional ties to the music memory. So it's, it's very powerful. Yeah. That's awesome. Um, okay. I'm a retirement coach. How do you become one? I mean, well, what is there certifications or what? Yes, there's certifications. There's so many different entities that you can go to to get your training done. And so I kind of looked into, cause this was like calling at me, right? I looked into specific retirement coaching programs and it didn't really speak to me because there was a lot of the finance, you know, end of it. And I wanted to go deep into the non financial stuff, the stuff that people don't prepare you for. Um, and so I ended up going to Lumia, Lumia coaching certification and that's like overall life coaching. And so they did like a really deep dive and you pick your niche and you go deep into that as a individual practitioner, but they did so many different facets of life coaching and it was like a really big deep dive and that kind of spoke to me. So that's where I got mine, but there are plenty of, um, entities out there that do the training. Yeah. And it's picking up now too. Yeah. And you're right. The financials, I mean, we'll might talk it, get into this later. The financials are huge in retirement, but there's so much more to it than that. Plus the financials, if you're ready to retire and you haven't done the financials, you're not going to retire. You know, that's got to be done. And we, we preached to young kids in their twenties just starting the job. If you could see the world like I see it right now, you'd be throwing money into your retirements and your Roth and like that like crazy because it's important. And I think also it can be also flipped if you could have all the money in the world, but if you don't do what you're going to tell us about and figuring out your retirement purposes, your retirement might not last very long because you might just not live very long. Yeah. Exactly. Like it all ties together, right? You get into a retirement rut and then sure you have the nest egg, but maybe it kind of leads into the other ailments right and you lose energy and you can't even enjoy it. Those types of things. Absolutely. I did download and watch a lot of your videos. So I know you're going to tell us about that later on, but I know that one word sin that you come up with a lot is called clarity. Okay. Yes. So I know we sent you some questions and it wasn't one of those, but today I was, when I was out walking that, that just really resonated with me. So talk to us about clarity. What do you mean by that as for a retired person? Yeah. I'm so glad you brought that up because I call clarity like the invisible inner work that most people just skip over and then they're thrown into a retirement, you cross the finish line and it's a very tangible, yes, I financially prepared now what, right? So the clarity is a big foundational invisible process that has nothing to do with money. So it's going inward for the answers to gain clarity on all these non-financial aspects. Right? So I have a framework called the five rings of retirement. And so it's important to consider also in addition to finance, which is one of the five rings, but with the sole purpose of fueling the other four. So it's growth, community, health and giving back. Right? So this is where you'll get all these other senses of accomplishment, purpose, motivation, right? All these things that contribute to your overall well being, not just the physical health, but also the mental and emotional and your sense of growth and stimulation and learning and relationships, like all these things that are not tangible like finance and money, gaining clarity on those other four rings is going to be so important and foundational into springing you into this very fruitful, rejuvenating, energizing, purposeful, passion-filled retirement life. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But clarity itself, like when you get to this point, how do you know if you have it? You feel the energy. You feel pumped, right? And it's kind of like there's the stages, the five stages of retirement, right? They say pre-retirement, stage one, honeymoon, stage two, disenchantment, stage three, and then you reorient and then you have stability. So you know that you have clarity when you've passed disenchantment, when either it's super, super short and you do it proactively before retiring or you get yourself out of a retirement rut. But either way, it's like, okay, now I'm ready to reorient to my new role, my new identity, my new sense of purpose, my new sense of accomplishment, and then you stabilize and grow from there. What I would say is the big aha moment, you're like, okay, yes, I'm just so excited about the future. I feel alive again. I feel like myself again. I'm in touch with my authenticity, right? All these like amazing things from the inside out. That's the clarity. Do you see that clarity improves physical health? 100%. Yes. Okay. All ties together. Okay. I think that's really important because you know, Kurt and I, we're both now, we're 63 and he's, you know, you sit up from the sofa and you hear a groan and you sit down and I mean, he's really good about stretching and doing that. I'm not and you know, I think, keep thinking to myself, I'm going to do that one of these days. I'm going to do that one of these days. And I just, I blow it off. But I, you know, I look at other things that I do that it's differently. You know, the podcasts that I listen to, the growth that I have, and I see that there's clarity there, but sometimes I'm wondering, okay, what else do I need to do? You know, right? Right? Yes. Yes. So the clarity kind of gives you that boost of motivation and energy. So when it comes, and so that in and of itself like helps with overall well being in a mental and emotional health, right? But just when it comes to like physical health too, you can apply it where you're like, okay, running is not for me, but swimming is right. Like clarity on the type that resonates with you the most, you're going to be more likely to not put it off and like that's aligned with specifically you. Yeah. Like my activity, these are my people, whether it's solo or with the groups, like I'm going to go for this. So that clarity definitely applies. Yeah. I, when I was teaching for a living, I taught physics and I amazed myself that some of the things I could do and I probably hurt myself because I told my students when I retire, I'm going to get stupid. And sometimes I didn't take long, but I'm not doing physics, you know, I mean, I'm not doing the calculations and stuff that I used to, but you try and do other things. I mean, I'm not going to sit down and work out a logarithm or anything, but you try and do other things to keep you going, whether it's a podcast or whether it's going for a walk or whatever. Yeah. You know, that's such a good point because there's neuroplasticity that you have in your brain, which basically means you can create new neural pathways in your brain until the day you die. Right. So these very impressive, exhaustive calculations for decades in your career, it's good to switch it up and do different patterns, create new, like do the growth and make those new connections because that's going to keep you stimulated in new ways and brain health, cognitive health longer. So that's a really good point. Like it's important to always be learning new things. Yeah. Yeah. So you're getting smarter in different ways for sure. I hope. What do you think, what do you think as a professional is like the most important part of this retirement journey that we should be focusing on? Finances off the table. Yeah. With finances off the table. The most important part is to really do the self-discovery. So I always like to say it's not about being a know-it-all. Like I know myself so well at this stage in, you know, and at this age, right? It's about being a learn-it-all because no clarity will ever go lost. You can grow indefinitely. You are designed to grow, develop, change, evolve indefinitely for the rest of your life and your brain is set up so that you can do that with those new neural pathways. And so going inward for the answers, going inward for the clarity, going inward for these new ideas that are uniquely you is going to be key so that you can from the inside out express and experience a life that you would have never known or predicted or projected going through previous years up until this point, right? So it's kind of like having that open mind and remembering to not go outward for the answers. You're not a stereotype. You don't need to follow what other people are doing because that's going to put you in the bucket of I should be doing that, but that's not the alignment for you. What's aligned for you is what I, right? It's what you truly want and it's always going to be from the inside. So it's literally like rewiring that neural pathway to find the answers internally, which is not something we're conditioned to do. So that's a new learning in and of itself. And also being open-minded and like honing the skill of finding those energizing breadcrumbs is what I like to call them. Okay. Yeah. You bring up that being open-minded. And I was going to say with the genre though, I mean, you're working with us old people, you know, do you find, I mean. Cremogens. Yeah. Cremogens. Yeah. Cremogens. Yeah. But back in our days, you know, our parents, you know, suck it up buttercup, you know, and do it. Yes. Kids now, I shouldn't say kids, but people now, you know, they, they, you know, my daughters used to have anxiety. And I'm like, what the hell is anxiety? And I'm learning. They used to have it. They still have it. Oh, they still have it. And, you know, people see therapists and all that back in our day. We didn't do that. I mean, especially some of the older people who went to World War II and came back and man, just went inside of them. Or they just didn't show it because we didn't know it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a totally different new way of being where you don't shut down, you don't soldier up and continue. You actually go in and get curious about all that uncomfortableness, all the discomfort and walk through it. And it's really honestly about personally addressing that and developing for and growing from there, which is a very, very, sometimes that conditioning is so sticky, right? It's kind of like people don't feel safe unless they're working go, go, go. Right. And it's kind of like that engine that the hamster, what it keeps going sometimes with clients, like it's a lot of detangling. It's a lot of deconditioning. It's a lot of really just staying open to, okay, I'm safe. It's okay to explore. It's okay to have different coping mechanisms that are going to serve me and benefit me now in a totally different stage, world environment, personal environment, personal stage. And to let that guide you. Okay. Right. It's totally, you're correct. It's very difficult to let go of that old way sometimes. Yeah. It's kind of sticky with some people. I can see where, you know, you work your life, your career, you're very, you know, like both of us, we loved, we were both educators, but we had very stressful jobs because you're dealing with kids, behaviors, curriculum, state testing, all of this crap that you have to do. Yeah. Yeah. Safety now. And so you have all that tension and all that anxiety when you retire from those kind of positions, sometimes that doesn't go away. You still have it. 100%. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. And so it really takes like a new way to intentionally get into like a new way of life because that stuff lingers. Yes. It definitely lingers. What ages are you working with, seeing? So 50 and above. Okay. What's your oldest? 92. 92. Wow. Yeah, 92. Yeah, right. And have a place on earth that I'm still actively in, you know, I, yeah, you know, you think about the 90s and that's just, that's 30 years away from us. And I think, okay, wait a minute, the 80s was just 30 years ago. It's like, oh no. Yeah, no. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah, it really is. What do you think an ideal retirement looks like? Or is there such a thing? There definitely is. So it's going to be unique to the individual, just like your careers, your family lifestyle, your preferences are different from person to person. An ideal retirement life looks different across the board, right? What's going to be amazing and energizing for one person is going to be not for the next. So that's why it's very much an internal discovery process. And it's going to include the, so you can have like a similar framework across the board. So if you go into the five rings, it'll include all five rings, but each of those are going to manifest and express very differently. But for concrete examples for one person, it could look like climbing mountains, teaching yoga classes, globe trotting, or being the best pay truck or me trucking my family and grandparent to 22 grandkids kind of a thing, or starting a new business chapter, or a passion project, or reconnecting with social groups or writing a book, right? It's very different. Expressing creativity is another great one for people, right? Just diving into different expressions, whether it's art, music, writing, painting, and the classic ones, or, you know, helping people in different ways that you never thought, like speaking gigs even, right? So many different paths to take. The main ideal part, the common thread, is that you feel energized and very connected and authentic, and like yourself, and you grow to your own greater and greater heights. And that's different across the board. Does that ever stop when you're coaching someone, or do you keep learning and growing and evolving throughout the entire process? The entire process indefinitely. Okay. For sure. So I have got to, because Kurt is the one that is the globe trotter and the planner and all that. So I, I'm hoping that I have another 30 years of that with me because I'm not, you know, we're so opposite some ways. In some ways we are, but other ways we're not. But we compliment each other. Yeah. Very much so. So I see with your practice, when you're working with somebody who's retired, are you working with a couple? Are you working more individuals? It's more individuals. Okay. Yes. Definitely more individuals. And typically, if it's going to be a couple, it's one spouse that comes first. Many couples, you guys are opposites in some ways. A lot of couples are opposites in nearly always. And so one will come, the one who's like more energetic, less of a homebody, more of an expert and wanting an eager for growth and a different pace saying, okay, I'm ready. And so they'll do it and that'll motivate the spouse or they'll say, I'm good to go. My spouse needs help. Can you help my spouse? You know, different varieties come, but when it's the couple, they, I still put them through an individual process and the advice that we talk about in private coaching sessions is totally different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, cause I mean, we actually, we have friends that we have friends, I mean that don't do anything together in their retirement, you know, and I'm like, yeah, it's so weird to me. I mean, they both even travel different places, you know? Yes. Yes. So strange. I always say you have your own individual growth path for purpose, passions, right? And then your spouse has theirs and they look totally different. And then you have your couples' activities together. Sometimes that list is very brief, sometimes that list is very extensive. But just to have that three-part distinguishment is helpful. You can really see where great divorce is a big thing anymore because all of a sudden the kids are at the house and neither one of you are working and you're kind of staring at each other. And if you're not willing to go your separate ways, you know, like we do everything together for the most part. Or figure out. Yeah. Figure out what works. We always said it. Well, that's our theme for the podcast. You find your best retired life and the key words there are best, but also yours because everybody's retirement is different, I think, you know? Definitely. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. I got to ask the heavy question. I'm always the bad guy. What does it cost to get help from you? Or another retirement coach. What does that look like? So like anything, like any good life coach, any good therapy counseling session, right? You have hundreds or tens of thousands, right? Those are the packages. And so I like to offer like a diverse range because I want to help as many people as possible as my mission. So I have one-on-one coaching, like a VIP package that's like $5,500 and above because I have the three-months program where you have to gain clarity. And so it's a full-blown three-month program at minimum. And then I have self-study that I like to offer for those who don't want the one-on-one or don't need the one-on-one handling. And so that is hundreds. It's $9.97 for the self-study. And so it ranges. Yeah. And do you give like senior discounts? That's so sad. That's not funny. I had to go there. I'm sorry. That's not funny. I know. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Oh, that's nuts. Okay. So you decide you want to do this. What is the first step? What do you contact you? Are you contact a retirement coach? And we're going to say you. What do I do? Is it surveys and inventories that you fill out? So I can't speak for other retirement coaches, but I can speak for my own program and it's very much a marriage between life coaching and neuroplasticity, neuroscience, right? Because it's a very, very systematic, tried-and-true like process. Everyone's output is going to be different because it's a very individual outcome that you want that's going to be specifically aligned to you and your authenticity, but the process is very similar across the board. So what happens is we do a three-month program called Rewire My Retirement and it's based on daily micro steps because that's where the neuroscience magic comes in, right? So I'd much rather have you do five minutes per day than to do skip five days and then do an hour, right? So the way that your brain works, the reticular activating system, the RIS is going to go seeking the answers, not while you're currently in front of your keyboard trying to answer the prompts that I give you. And so I want that to build in the background cumulative benefits that are gaining clarity for you and your subconscious mind every single day for three months. And so what I do is I set up a program where I give you specific prompts. We do a deep dive of the fibrins of retirement and we go and I prompt you every day. I give you every question, prompt, exercise, et cetera, over the whole course of three months. And so it's very specifically designed to unlock the clarity first, then once the clarity is there, then still under the same system because we got to keep that momentum going and that new neural pathway driving and being created. And so then we start to do what I call the outer action. So we go switch from interaction, gaining clarity to outer action, which is like the implementation of what you've gained clarity on. So I call them micro steps and so we still do the daily micro steps five to 20 minutes per day. And instead of you doing the prodding from within, we're now pulling one goal into your outer world. And so you have your dream life, you just pull it layer by layer, piece by piece by piece by piece of your dream life into your reality over time. And so now that you have it in your system, in your brain, you repeat that indefinitely. And so you will only know how to gain more clarity that's aligned with you and you will only know how to pull into your reality more and more of the things that are aligned. So it's kind of a training process and that's how people continue. So if someone start doing this like a year before they retire, if they know if they have a target date or is this something, I mean, would you recommend that or what do you think? I mean, if you're that person and I used to work with people that were like, you know, they had no clue as to when they were going to retire, what they were going to do when they retired, you know, if they would ever retire, when do you start doing something like what you're telling us? You start doing it as soon as you're curious and you start to think about it, right? So it's not in. So all stages start this process with me, whether it's pre-retired, post-retired, inner-retirement rut or just wanting to proactively go from super high achiever to super high achiever in retirement, right? It doesn't matter if you're partially employed or starting a business, a side house, whatever. It's as soon as you're like, okay, I'm starting to think about this stuff, what's next, right? As soon as that opens up, it's time to start doing this work where you're gaining the clarity, okay? Seeking the answers from within and I just lost my thought. That's okay. We call those senior moments, you know, you don't get that option. That's okay. You answered my question because I think that, you know, first of all, I love your little YouTube videos. Just those little freebies are just wonderful, you know, to get you started. And I think that that is really important that as we age, we need to figure that out. Yes. Yes. Okay. This is what I was going to say. Okay. It's worth figuring it out because when you're working and you say, okay, I'll do that in retirement, that's not going to be beneficial. It's more about training yourself to not put off things and say, I'll do that when X. It's more about gaining clarity and systematically in like little breadcrumbs, micro steps, pulling them into reality now, right? Doesn't matter if you're super busy with a second career because that does happen. You could still do this and fit it in and not rob yourself of some experience and put it off, right? So it's like, what can I do to enrich my experiences now, no matter how busy or bored I am, no matter how full or empty my schedule is, let's pull it in now. Right. And so that's what the training is. And so whenever you're starting to be curious about this stuff, you can enrich your life now. Do not wait. Right? That is the whole thing. Yes. Yeah. Great advice. Okay. We're getting close to the end, but we want you to do a self promotion here, websites and stuff, whatever. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. The website is secondwindmovement.com. And the best thing to do if you're interested in any of this is to just click on the green button that says free masterclass, and that'll just give you a good overview of how to turn a successful career into a successful retirement. And that's a great starting point. Okay. That's great. That's great. And you do, when I was looking at that, you do have some YouTube's out there that are pretty. Yeah. Really great. Yeah. Second. Second, what? Second wind movement. Second wind movement. Yes. On YouTube. I do fresh content every week. And that's just part of my mission, just to put helpful content out there and spread this message. Yeah. So YouTube is a good spot. I have to ask you. You're getting close to where now you're thinking about your own retirement. How long do you think you're going to be doing something like this? Are you going to do this into your retirement? So, so I'm 43, not retired, and it's the first thing that people think if they're kind of doubt, doubting me, right? You're not retired. What do you know about retirement? How can you help me? And so it's like, A, you don't want someone who is retired to do this because I'm dedicating my full blown life's work into this, right? That's not casual for me. And B, you don't want to replicate anyone else's retirement life for your own, right? You want to do your own answers or inside. It's going to look totally different. And so I am going to be doing this up until I quote, retire, and then I will do something else kind of a thing is my plan. But I don't want to be doing this part time, you know, I put my heart and soul into this. So if anything, I will do like the content part, but not like the full blown program where I'm dedicating my time and effort and energy and like the coaching and everything. Okay. Yeah. We're sitting on the beach. We have a helicopter flying over. It's like, okay. Can you wait, please? I might be able to edit out if not a big deal. One of the great things about being retired is being able to sit on a beach and do a podcast. I love that flexibility. It's very adventurous. Okay. I'm always into our interviews with two questions now that the helicopter is gone. One of them is your hell know and one's your, you bet you, like, okay, I guess the hell know in your adventure of starting this retirement coaching, what would you be, what would that be for you? What have you seen that has been the hardest for someone? Oh gosh, a fixed mindset. The hell know is the fixed mindset. It's not time to settle down and wind down. It's not too late. You're not too old. It's the beginning of a big growth journey and you're not a stereotype. So it's okay to redefine your retirement and to be something that's completely unexpected yet truly deeply enjoyable by you in your own way. So don't be a know it all. Right. I know myself so well. This might be a learn it all. Oh, I like that. It's going to open up so many doors and opportunities for you. Yeah, yeah. Cause they always say you're never too old to learn, you know, and so that, that's great. Okay. So what's your you betcha? You betcha. The best part of this journey. So the best part is seeing people and witnessing them deeply satisfied and growing and really embracing their growth path, right? It's amazing to see people soar and they do that with the opposite of the fixed mindset, the growth mindset where they're open minded and a learn it all, they don't get in their own way. They don't judge even themselves or their thoughts, they become a learn it all. And they give them stuff. It's like, I give them the keys, they take them and run. So just to see people grow to those great heights and do these inspiring things is like amazing because I know that they're impacting not only their own life, but their families and their loved ones and everyone around them and they're helping to swell this movement of like redefining retirement where you have so many possibilities to have to be. That's kind of, you know, why our podcast exists are we wanted to help people, you know, live their best retired life and kind of on the same pathway. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't like totally because we're not like life coaches and we have, we just have life experience for, you know, being our age, but it was just, it's just so fun. And we have met so many great people. I mean, just have become friends with people and actually met up with people. It seemed like they really have it going. Yeah. And, and they have different experiences that you think to yourself, I never thought of that. Maybe I'll try that. You know. Love that. Thank you for doing the work that you do. It's wonderful. We enjoy it. I really love it. That's the biggest paycheck we've got. Well, we want to thank you, sin, for joining us and good luck with your business. Yeah. And we have a great thing, a great service to offer. Yeah. You got to thank you. It's an older niche, but I'm here to tell you, we're one of the richer niche or groups out there too. So there's a lot of retired people in this world that are making a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's keep it going. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, sin. We appreciate you talking to us. Thank you. All right. Bye bye. Bye bye. Well, that wraps up another great adventure. It's nice of sin to reach out to us and tell us about a part of retirement helping that I didn't know about. Well, it's like she said, it's a new-ish type of therapy and it's really a good therapy because life coaches can really help you define what you want with the rest of your life. Right. And we got a lot of time. Yes. Like I said there at the end, we got the money too that it can help us lead an active, better life. Right. If you see some holes in your retirement or something that you don't like, I can see where that would be a total benefit. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely check out her YouTubes and everything. Life. Second Wind. Second Wind Movement. Yes. Second Wind Movement is great. Yeah. But we're always looking for new guests. Always on the lookout for somebody who's got an interesting retirement story. Yeah. It doesn't have to be, it's whatever keeps you engaged, gives you clarity. I'll use one of the Sims words, gives you clarity in your retirement. Yes. And we're always looking for guests. You can check us out at our website at adventureretired.com or you can email us at [email protected] and you know, whatever your adventure is, we're talking to people who pick up trash, we're talking to people who do hobbies, whatever you want to do, talk about that keeps you engaged and inspired in clarity of your retirement and your goals. Yes. Yes. All right. Thanks for joining us. I love you Cindy. I love you more. I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you.