Unknown Number Is Calling (Pick Up, It’s Messy) | 69

I'm on go mode. Hunter pressed play. Just like you guys at home. And I'm on pause energy, by the way. So let's set the scene before we get into this episode. Oh, Lord. Okay. So we're going to talk about the Bieber album. Yes. I have much to say about that. Activated. All 129 songs of the Bieber album, Swag 2. And we're going to talk about Caught Stealing, the new Darren Aronofsky movie. Hey. But first. Let's kick it off. Okay. We've got to talk about some white mess. I. Gag me. A little documentary, number one on Netflix, called Unknown Number. Okay. I'll read a vague log line. Yeah. And then I'll give a spoiler alert. A teenage girl and her boyfriend are viciously cyber bullied by an unknown number for months, like 20 months. As the investigation into the harassment unfolds, the authorities uncover a shocking secret that upends everything anyone thought they knew about the case. Big old spoiler alert. Well, first I'm going to say, if you haven't watched it, literally, stop what you're doing right now. Drop this podcast. We don't matter. Go watch it right now. Yeah. And then come back. Open Netflix. And then come back. I will say, I've talked to so many people about it, spoiled it, and all of them pressed play. Like, it's like one of those things that's good enough that the spoiler almost doesn't even matter because it still gags you no matter what. Okay. Spoiler alert now. Skip forward 10 minutes. But if you hadn't texted me within five minutes, I know who did it. Ended. I was. I was. I was a little bit annoyed. Yeah. I'm going to bring that to the red table. I was a little bit. I actually was like, I hope I'm not right. No. But immediately I said, uh-oh. So. I grew up around white moms. I know how they move. Oof. Well. What? That was. Okay. Crazy. Totally. Totally. So, but what we need to talk about, though, is that these. This couple, this high school couple. Yes. 13. 13 years old. 13 and 14. Yeah. Were harassed for months relentlessly by random numbers. And it wasn't like, oh, just change. Like, just block the number. No, no, no. They would, like, make new phone numbers all the time. They're clearly. Like, the person who was texting was using an app. Yeah. They would. The numbers would text them, like, oh. Trying to, like, get them to break up, basically. Yes. The guy and the girl to break up. Yeah. They would be like, oh, like, he doesn't like you. He doesn't care about you. I saw him in, like, social studies, and he was, like, flirting with someone else. Like, all of this stuff. And they would come at. Very specific. Very detailed to their lives. Highly specific to, like, just day-to-day, moment-to-moment. Yeah. And sometimes the messages would come at a rate of, like, 30, 40, 50, sometimes a day. All times of the day and night. There was, like, an initial stretch of messages. They'd kind of stop for a couple months and then start back up. Even, you know, harder, faster, longer. Just. I thought you were going to. No, but, I mean. Just as funny. But they were going. They got pretty explicit. And because the texts were so sexually explicit, for a 13-year-old, even, like, an advanced, you know, going through puberty, 13-year-old, I was like. Yeah. I was like, this is not. Does not seem right. What a tween. I know this is a family podcast, but I have never screenshot something so fast. It was around. This is when I knew. It was around five minutes in. One of the texts was, like, his dick, my pussy, tonight, or something. It was, like, creamy. It was, like, wait, wait, wait. No one's talking about that. Like, no one knows what that even is. The creamy thing? I'm like, no, that's not a 13-year-old. That has to be an adult. So I was like, it has to be a teacher who's sending these messages. And I was like. And. I mean, that's. I mean, that's what they would also say, like, kill yourself. Yes. They would say, like, you didn't score. You didn't perform well in the basketball game on Friday night. Which, like, more hurtful than the sex stuff. I'd be like, well, now you're critiquing my hooping? Hold on. It. You would feel that way. That's what actually offends me. Kill yourself. Child's play. You're like. But I can't hoop? You're too confident. Oh, come on. That was life. Yeah, yeah. I was empowered too much as a kid. This would never work on me. Literally. Well, listen. And so. Good, too. It was. I mean, like, the parents are trying to figure it out. The administrators are trying to figure it out. The cops are trying to figure it out. It got to a point, though. This is one of my favorite parts of the documentary, where the boy, his name is Owen, the boyfriend, he said, I woke up to a string of text messages, all explicit, explicit, explicit. And he said, well, good morning to you, too. Like, he was so over it. He was just like, another day, another day. A day that ends in Y. No, truly. Because the other. Come on. I mean, and that also reminds me of, like, another crazy element of this is you think it's like, okay, it's just. Kids in the high. Like, it's just like the high school. It's a very small town. It has one stoplight and two bars. Yeah. And then he starts dating another girl from a few times over. Oh, that was crazy. And then the text messages start texting her and her mom. And her mother. And I'm like, okay. Honestly, I'm just bad. Kind of a clue. I think the craziest part is that it is the girl's mother, who is Lacey, the protagonist here. It's her mom sending all of these messages. Yeah. What did she say? Eight hours a day. Eight hours a day. It was just like. The shocking part, when she gets caught, and they finally figure out, like, the app, the numbers connected to the app, run every screening, the police run every single screening, and they were like, okay, the only number that it comes back to is Lacey's mother. Is one IP address, because she uses an app to, like, shield her number. Yeah. They subpoena the app. They subpoena Verizon, get the IP address. And I kind of felt like, and I had this suspicion throughout, why not just make the case that the kids change their phone numbers? Like, I understand that, you know, whoever's texting is, like, going to be texting from, like, new kind of dummy blocked numbers all the time. But is it not just so easy to do, like, process of elimination, make the kids change their phone numbers, and then only give the number out to four people, and then you know, well, who could have this number other than these four people? Yeah. But it was the mom. I watched Monk growing up, just so you know. So I'm. A lot of bad bitches be watching Monk. Period. One of the baddest bitches I know, she says, oh, I first played on Monk every night. It's a jungle out there. She's just seeing me to sleep. But to that logic, though, like, it was the mom, though. So she was like, no, that gives them their power back. Like, they retain their power by keeping their numbers. Sounds like. Make it make sense, but she is mentally ill. So, like, you know, that is that. By the. I guess I thought that it was a teacher, because obviously it was, like, very rooted in, like, school activities, and, like, someone who was closely observing, like, how they acted around other, like, of their friends. Yeah. There were other kind of theories that it. That was, like, some girls that were friends with Owen, that, like, maybe didn't like Miss Girl. I can't remember her name. Like, the teenagers. Lauren is the main girl. Lauren. Okay. Owen is the boyfriend. Yeah. Some girls, like, didn't like Owen. Didn't like Lauren, but were friends with Owen. Yeah. A girl who really didn't like Lauren, and maybe kind of had a crush on Owen. Yeah. And then Owen's, like, random cousin. But wait, the girl. Let's go to the. One of the girls accused, which was. The brunette? Yeah. The one that had animosity with Lauren. Yeah. Who was also on the basketball team. Yeah. When they were questioning her, her answer was simply, like, I'm too popular for all that. Like, I don't have time to be sending all these messages. Like, I'm busy. Like. No, I. Yeah. Ate that. Me. It was great. You think I got some time to be sending off texts like this? I have a job. I'm a mother. She said, I got work to do. I scored 12 points in the game on Friday. I can't be doing texting all time today. I was in double digits, okay? Yeah. That was crazy. It was. But, okay, can I talk about how. The mom reveal. Yes. That's what I. Oh, okay. The mom reveal. Yes, because I was like, it can't be someone in the documentary. It has to be, like, who we're not hearing from. The teachers. It couldn't have been any of the teachers who's not in the documentary. But then they do the subpoena. They figure out the number. I'm pretty sure it's the mom. Yeah. And then they have the police body cam footage of them going to the house and, like, approaching the mom. And she immediately is, like, just panic terror on her face. Like, she. It's. The guilt is. She gives it away. Visible. Yeah, upon entry. She doesn't even really. They say, like, doesn't even make a defense. She's just like, well, it's not really. It's more complicated than you think. And they're like, well, it looks like you told your daughter to kill herself over a text 400 times a day. So how. So explain to me the complication then. I thought it was mom, as you said, from jump. Five minutes in. Yeah. This is a mother. Not a good one. But then when she gave it up so easily, I was shocked. I thought that maybe she would try to defend anything. But the real breaking point for me was when. They call Lauren in. Yes. They call Lauren in. She's just stone-faced and doesn't really break down until dad comes home. Yeah. And dad mentions, like, there's no way she had this job. They're like, she got, like, off from that job at least six months to a year ago. Come to find out she's had all the time to send 400 texts to her daughter to tell her to kill herself because she ain't got. She's unemployed. Yeah. And the dad, like. I actually really respect the dad for coming in, being absolutely. For many reasons. For many reasons, furious, and being like, the cops need to stay here while I tell you to get out of here because, like, we don't want to lose our daughter and something will go down. Yeah. If not. No. No, I. That was, like, a really moving moment, too, because he had mentioned kind of in passing, like, maybe 20 minutes before that they had, like, moved several times. Yeah. Yeah. And it was, like, in all that dysfunction that she was able to kind of get away with all of this stuff. And that was really sad. But I. It really. It was, like, kind of. Maybe that whole sequence was kind of the moment of the documentary for me when he's, like, I'm going. I'm. To the mother, I'm going to call your parents right now because you can't be here anymore. You have. After all of this, you cannot be in this house anymore with, like, our child because I'm not putting her at risk. The Munchausen by proxy of it all is really. Well, they call it digital Munchausen by proxy. Yeah. Because. Because she. I mean, her argument, or, like, at least what the theory is, is that she wanted to, like, become so close to her daughter. Yeah. And, like, in some ways, her daughter being, like, in the center of this, like, whole drama. I mean, drama, I mean, hello, like, harassment and abuse made her the center of attention as well and that it, like, really endeared her daughter to her. And, I mean, hello, at the very end of the documentary, like, her daughter. daughter was like yeah I love my mom and I love our relationship and I like call her and text her all the time in prison and it's and I want to I look forward to like you know reuniting with her I haven't seen her in a year because obviously hello but yeah let me take my chains off no let me keep her chains on low-key I was yeah wow I I texted um Molly like you have to watch this documentary it's so good yeah Molly at home breastfeeding girl I've already watched it we're done actually i i've watched my thoughts like what do you think but i do i i think that she must have had some kind of weird obsession with the boy when he was like she was cutting my steak yeah she wanted it i was like this is gross like this is nasty and not the cutting the steak part but like thinking about how not just the explicit text sent to her daughter but sent to him yeah even after they broke up and just like railing in on like we need to make them jealous and like there's no one but me and they illustrated her as this woman that was like oh she just desperately wanted attention and wanting attention is it's not a crime by the way everything else absolutely yeah heavy on everything else is a crime but loving attention not a crime no no no no and a little too much or is this legal yeah let me put my chains on i do hope that her daughter that the daughter gets a lot of therapy counseling like yeah i'm so happy that i hope she doesn't end up on like a i don't know like a dr phil couch yeah like five years because that's like she i think the most touching part of it was that she really seemed like totally normal girl like so sweet and like just good kid and it's like and your whole high school is like derailed by high school students are derailed by this yeah i yeah both of them they're like this is just regular stuff we just 13 and hooping i got more drama to get into actually what else were you talking about we are talking about caught stealing the news only kravitz movie um and the bieber album and also kind of the sydney sweeney scooter braun dating rumors oh so more white mess yeah yeah you'll always find that on this podcast don't you worry so let me just say this let me say this are you looking for a home for your worst opinion are you a hater first but a lover of pop culture second consider this a glorified group chat but we're not calling you out no no no we're calling you in it's a safe space to talk shit but of course from wondery i'm and i'm hunter harris and this is let me say this let me say this let me say this sometimes you go to the theater just to support hot people sometimes you press play on a podcast just to support hot people so that's what i always say so we went to see caught stealing which is quick logline a burned out former baseball player finds himself unwittingly plunged into a dangerous fight for survival when he gets mixed up with some gangsters in 1990s new york city directed by darren aronofsky starring austin butler zoe kravitz lee schreiber and regina king spoiler alerts ahead a few yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah let's spoil it um so move forward 10 minutes or so uh if you don't want to know all right one to ten scale one to ten what are you what are you giving caught stealing i walked out thinking solid 7.5 oh i but and i mean that like in it with a smiley face like okay happy 7.5 yeah yeah oh okay yeah what did you think one to ten i would caught stealing is giving me a six okay a sturdy six okay with this kind of smile like a little kid who's gonna take a photo yeah it's kind of like the most fun i don't want to have again and not out of like not not because i don't like yeah because i didn't like it i just i i can't i can't live that kind of lifestyle i'm a child of god i i can't get much i can't get mixed up in all of this what are you talking about there's like a cat involved he poops there's a key in the poop i'm like how do we know like even where the storage unit is there's a mohawk and a car that smells looks smoky yeah he said that was i don't that cookie thing i was like i don't well you know me what whatever so there's like a thing in this movie about austin butler that he um his character got into a car wreck and it like you know derailed his baseball career he's supposed to be um a really good baseball player baseball if you're not familiar was invented in the year 2016 by richard linklater for the boys and everybody wants him um just for my people um but he like is like the whole movie's like oh i don't drive after like that accident and you know i was sitting there like and i see myself represented on screen i can drive i just don't choose to oh you can drive yeah i thought you just didn't i thought you just didn't no i i i yeah you know it stresses me out to think about you behind a wheel it stresses me out to think about me but it stresses many people actually behind the wheel you have the energy of someone who holds the the thing no one ever holds and i did hold it and i did hold it we were in the car with our producer brian and i was gripping my thigh and me i said turn down the music there's a car four spaces ahead is is is slowing down i need you to be aware oh god um but what did you think of austin butler i love austin butler's lesbian haircuts both of them in the beginning and the end the mohawk is bisexual um and i think he's hot and i have fun i like do not like this movie you that's i yeah you sound like you had just like hooked up with someone oh yeah it was okay i don't have any and so it is um but i think he's a beautiful boy um i i like him a lot as an actor i love austin butler i think i just was bored a bit in this movie and just stressed out in a way that was like stressed out for no reason it didn't feel like um the kind of stakes where i was like on the edge of my seat i just was like anxious i was at the edge of my seat i was singing with someone who was like oh you were really going through it i was at the end of my seat like what's gonna happen oh there's i i'm i was so nervous because it's like first of all he has one group of gangsters after him another group of gangsters after him and then like the big twist is that they're all kind of he's like caught up in a larger war between these two gangsters and the cop that he like thinks he can trust who's regina king yeah is also involved in it all that was kind of the weakest moment of the movie for me uh was that that turn like the reveal that she is involved in the conspiracy yeah it kind of like just happened and if you didn't it's like the other people show up and she's like yeah i know them duh and didn't it didn't really land for me i agree but one thing one thing regina king gonna do she gonna play a cop a cab except for every role regina king is that she loves hello southland yes i southland hive um southland hive this one's for you there's there and there's community out there yeah yeah and and we are often overlooked and under recognized like she she's got a staple role she's got a if there's a cop role there's a job for my my sister yeah yeah yeah which i didn't you know i love her didn't love her in this but i thought i came to the movie for zoe kravitz and austin butler obviously i was like i need to press play on some sexual chemistry but the real sexual chemistry in that movie the real sexual chemistry in cod stealing was not between zoe and austin butler heteronormativity it was between uh austin butler and bad bunny when he spreads his thighs very that keeps them there very that very that i actually forgot bad bunny was in the movie because he was so good and not in it for very long yeah but i was really impressed i was i was really really impressed did you see him in bullet train no oh i didn't i didn't see him in the train um but no i think they did have really good sexual tension but i think austin butler and zoe kravitz like it kind of works for me i like it i prefer it to robert pattinson zoe kravitz which to me are just like truly like i don't know f train l train ships in the night it's like they're just never never the two shall meet you've woken up a really interesting debate with me that has nothing to do with this i'm like zoe kravitz and robert which i know they're they're both so beautiful and so but they have like maybe the exact same sort of beauty to me and like they hit they both check the same boxes that to see both of them together i kind of feel nothing like i wanted i wanted to like love their wonderland photo shoot and like the batman with them together but i wasn't feeling it but i think austin butler like austin butler and zoe kravitz to me is like channing tatum zoe kravitz where you're just like oh that's like a hunk oh no and you're like i wouldn't agree and you're like i don't agree with that i think that okay they're so opposite aesthetically that it works but i i do see the symmetry they're saying between like austin butler and zoe kravitz have the same kind of grunge yeah that like aesthetically works yeah we're like robert pattinson eats tuna out of a can and it shows you know and zoe kravitz would never not even a scout woman anyway back to this movie well something that i do want to wake up though is that i am it's about time that zoe kravitz was in a good movie she needed this she needed it um i think that's her last good one was kimmy the steven soderbergh movie that went to hbm max um and something else that i think we should discuss in the podcast is um what is my middle name yvonne and what was her name in the movie i don't remember yvonne oh and what does that do for you in the light skin community you want to say you you look like her too people okay i'm just saying what do you think about her and harry styles it's quite her cup running over right now i think that's what's frustrating me is seeing her with austin butler and knowing that in real life she's a hairy no watermelon sugar for you not anymore no right up over here now keep that watermelon sugar stuff away from me so if you were to love your wife you're like uh-uh no more we can't do that um wow interesting that surprises me that surprises me i just like i think we need to cool it on him and he can come back later with a after he goes to turkey a little bit that hairline is fighting for its life but i think he has gone to turkey he didn't now this is the thing i think there are two turkeys say more i'm already excited okay ready thank goodness because there is the turkey that steve carell went to around 2009 2010 that was a turkey that everyone else is going to and they're not the same steve carell steve i don't know if you saw at the u.s open steve carell looked amazing i always did how no i would have done it from jump know that i would like steve carell episode one season one of the office okay so that's really crazy i don't care i don't care he was so red faced this is why i'm not allowed to be by yeah because that's where i net out but wait speaking of okay side side characters in this film action bronson is he back in the zeitgeist you know i i recognize his voice i did not know he was but i was like oh this is like action bronson that's that nigga that raps i and i think says nigga and he doesn't i i think he did i think he did he looks like interesting he's a dumb white boy that i i guess yeah i guess you know jc had the opportunity to call out to like to give a white rapper their flowers and he gave them to mac miller and not to actually not to action bronson yeah god did he only have like one album or two albums action bronson i like that one album yeah i don't keep up with him like that i would but i don't do his cooking show remember oh yeah yeah yeah yeah well i know because last time i saw him was in in like my old neighborhood in williamsburg he was like going to the industry he's like doing a blog party there yeah he's like doing a blog party there yeah he's like doing a blog party there yeah so random i just was like there's no way yeah but okay here's something i want to talk to you about because i want to know your opinion about this um this is set in the 90s how stealing is and how did you feel about both setting it in the 90s like the production design in general i didn't like the production design i thought setting the 90s i didn't okay i like i like movies where there's less cell phone involved like i think that that's great but i felt like it was also they knew that it wasn't landing that it was set in the 90s because they kept putting in all these establishing shots to remind you where they are in time yeah and i i didn't find the need for that i think like um clothing-wise for his character like the clothing is actually what took me out a little bit and some of the accessories like i was trying to think to myself was was the little gun she uses to light her cigarette was that a 90s thing i don't feel i don't think so because it just felt like such a hyper specific i know it had to be specific for a callback later in the movie but it was like it didn't feel one-sided i don't think it was like one in line with her character i felt like they were doing too much to establish her as a cool girl zoe kravitz yeah but then also i felt like first of all she had like 45 bracelets on what the hell that must hurt well i think that there is something about zoe kravitz in general where she's like she's only ever described as cool and sometimes that does like a lot more like character work yeah like that replaces character work where it's like she is just kind of like a like a nice paramedic who like has that kind of i don't know where's a choker and it's like that's cool but then they gave her the gun and like it was kind of like i don't know if this is what we've really earned this like she has like this tiny apartment that's like so like you know uh seems kind of bohemian and it's like she has kind of like a normal job like for a paramedic yeah yeah i i don't know why you know i don't know kind of where that part comes from yeah i did the land the 90s bit land for you i'll ask you it felt like like just an excuse not to have cell phones i like the idea of it i like seeing griffin done like in a diet bar for very after hours um and like that kind of like so i don't know i don't know if it's like a normal thing to do but i don't know if it's a normal thing to do but i don't know if it's like a normal thing to do but i don't know if it's sceniness of like you're not watching people who are so openly nakedly self-conscious like trying to present themselves in those scenes i guess like the background actors i thought was was interesting but overall i'm kind of like it doesn't feel like the night it feels like it's present day yeah and i think that the clothing part had for some reason really sealed that thought to me but zoe grouse one thing about her she looked good with a gunshot wound to her head that photo was sickening when it cuts to her dead i said oh john sharp eyes it like liner intact i glossier girl it she looked good i know i was so shocked to see her body on the floor no i was not paying attention to her to her her cut crease oh she's serving yeah beat down that is literally like you're your mother's daughter when you went to the hospital and she's like oh make sure you put earrings on yes literally true story i will say where it ends is we finally see this big reveal of who austin butler's mom is well did you know all along who it was yeah no oh i knew from from her first little boy but yeah she calls on the phone she's like i was like oh that's laura let me tell you i know enough gay guys that's laura that's laura's voice baseball is that important like people i i was watching it the whole time thinking to myself the team the team in the movie is san francisco i don't care that's right the giants the giants yeah is baseball is not my thing i like the boys on tiktok that aren't real the dancers yeah i like the tiktok i'm pro baseball for that little tiktok group they're funny oh my god you never seen everybody wants them no i've seen a league of their own both we did season two oh i thought you meant the movie you mean like the like both both the movie and um interesting we have to see everybody wants them because i love them actually i'm running for the newsletter so you have an excuse oh perfect maybe i'm into baseball now maybe so this is my mom also by the way it's been a dodger season ticket holder for her entire like life her dog is named dodger for my mom's dog's name is dodger and i'm now being like maybe maybe baseball's working so i actually did make a few points for you i think okay yeah laura during my mom we're gonna have a call well he did it again swag two pink version justin's version someone someone on this very podcast so that justin bieber won this summer i heard and look and he said and he heard and he said and one more thing yeah but can i be honest take it to fall yeah i don't like it that much what i what i've heard i don't i don't love and i say this as someone who you know i have a lot of thoughts about justin bieber yeah a lot of thoughts about hayley bieber yep all of them good everyone huh don't interrogate me yes okay i think walking away from swag one yeah swag original yeah is like one of the best songs of bieber's entire career like and very moving i was just singing it off key and got yelled out um but swag two it's not really doing it for me i haven't listened the whole thing because it is very very long i listened like most of it yeah but there's like maybe one that i was like okay i can i can listen to this again i will say the first half of the album felt like just a public apology to hayley which was needed for certain well but i didn't need to be a part of it to be honest i was like okay okay some of the features hit for me though i love his voice with thames yeah i was gonna say the temp song the temp song really i liked i liked a lot hear me out but that little b song kind of slapped me too i haven't gotten there yet i don't think oh shit we've got a long journey i don't know that's not even like midway oh my god well i don't i don't do you listen to albums like do you press play you listen all the way through uh usually yeah yeah yeah i think that's the best way so did you stop where did you stop i where did i make it i made it to don't wanna the song with um do you wonder what wait let me see let me see though because i just want to see where that is in the yeah so i to put it in in terms people can understand i've made it to about um you have like three scrolls i've made it to prisoner of azkaban and i'm the prisoner and this is azkaban wait because you know the last track i got to a point where i was like okay let me listen to the feature songs like let me like scroll through i was coming onto this podcast being like oh shit i gotta catch up i didn't realize it was this many tracks but the last one is a seven minute sermon titled read it while it's there read it and weep story of god and is and i'm not mad about it either because because what did i say the last time we talked about this i said if he's serious if he's so serious about about uh being an active father and being a child of god then why doesn't he call kirk franklin well he didn't that's the problem we gotta seven minute sermon well i'll tell you what ended up happening i was what i was watching i was listening to this album and i stopped at all the way and i was like oh i like that one but then i said justin bieber wants to make a kim k-e-m do you know kim yeah of course yeah love oh yeah yeah no i know you this side of my soul yeah no doesn't even want he wants to make music for a hard soul like compilation album he wants to be kenny latimore so bad he wants to work with baby face so bad that's all i heard is like him wanting to make joe this this song is giving me it's giving me very joe very brian mcknight i was gonna say maybe this is proof of his proof of concept to be like i've got the range if anyone wants to maybe this is an offering that's what it is it's not really for us it's for the future because i feel like he would fuck around with a baby face imagine imagine no 100 i'm honestly surprised that his father usher has not broken this relationship with him he's not broken this relationship with him he's not broken this already. Usher, we're calling you out. we're not calling you in okay yeah get back on your zoom yeah i mean at least we're a mark safe from a drewski black and mild interview you love you love drewski i think he's funny i stand by what i said i did i say i liked him on this album no i don't think he's a licensed mental health professional i'll just say many people aren't and pretend to be though okay i know a few friends with therapists that i'm like fire them that reminds me of um when i interviewed a couple years ago and she was like i thought i was seeing a therapist and she's actually just like a random life coach oh it says it was like i was damn near a box breathing myself into next week and i'm like what kind of therapy do you practice and the woman was like oh i don't practice therapy oh no no no no no and of course that would happen yeah like oh my god that would happen this isn't that would happen to our dear friend evan nicole brown we're not calling you out we're calling you in um but yeah i wasn't taken with this album it was far too long and simply just was like does he got bills to pay because why why did we do this well he has one bill to pay well look at that segue um and he owes uh like several million dollars i think to his former manager scooter braun um scooter braun ex-manager of ariana and of justin um and then you know frequent nemesis of taylor swift always and now new man of sydney sweeney yeah did you just hear my arm pop by the way no it was crazy oh my god i'm 30 one okay i texted hunter and i was like wait what should we talk about like the the new white power couple or something and hunter was like wait justin and hayley and i had to be like white power like derogatory like like the bad kind of white power you're like you gotta differentiate because you know me but if you but i guess they're not a white power couple if she a little little i'm gonna say it's supposed to be a little latina a little what hayley didn't isn't she like oh her somewhere mom is in kenya because she's like i think brazilian let's go back then but white power derogatory we've got sydney sweeney my jeans my jeans you know okay so we so now she's awake now that's it because earlier she was um my hangover finally ended yeah now she's back now she's back um yeah what did you think about that well news my first thought was um was that one monique video that i've used the meme that i've used like four times last month listen my student burned too many bridges something i can do for her now that's why i'm like girl what and i like her as an actor so much i really think that she is so good and so um overlooked yeah part of the reason why i think she's so good is because i think she's so good in white lotus season one for sure and and i i liked her in that um reality reality winner i think is the same movie that was on hbo um about a about a whistleblower what was that horror movie she did that everyone really loved i don't i don't do that oh i don't that's all right yeah i don't do scary because you're a child of god no because i'm a scaredy cat yeah that too both things yeah they overlap a lot but not explicitly the same exclusive um yeah yeah i think i think she's a really good actor i just feel well it was obviously leaked that she had registered as a republican yeah so no i mean as much as i'm like yeah that's an ideal world that wouldn't be the case but also like she's white and like in her early 20s and lives in florida so i don't know it's kind of two plus two equals what yeah i mean maybe i wasn't no actually that's not true i was shocked i almost said i wasn't because i i tend to think maybe um to a fault that like young people but specifically the people that you are around someone like zendaya someone like more so hunter schaefer who's incredibly outspoken about palestine someone who's put her body on the front lines of palestine a trans woman at that who like these people that i you would think are and have performed at least front real friendship it feels yeah a little bit shocking to a certain degree and deeply cutting to be like girl this you this you and this gene i see what you're saying but i think something that i've learned and observed about like a lot of maga people is that they don't internalize it that much it's like yeah that's how i feel it's i'm gonna kind of check it out the door i can still be your friend it doesn't matter where obviously to us i think to people who want to move through the world like justly and with like it does feel much deeper but anyway i i the jeans thing i kind of think did we talk about it on the show no we didn't actually what did you think of the jeans ad i just thought it was stupid yeah same it just wasn't smart wasn't like it wasn't thoughtful marketing and i think like um it definitely the discourse around i think got blown out of proportion and we talked about it for far too long yeah but yeah i mostly just thought it was a bad ad i think yeah bare minimum totally agree it was a bad ad but then it also you know that kind of like inflection point of when the backlash to something becomes like the backlash to the backlash yeah and it's like okay well now when they're talking about on fox news that like people are saying that she's like a eugenicist yeah well now we've already kind of lost because now it just sounds like well the woke media wants to make you believe this and it's like no yeah but then like i will say it was a little bit like oh come on now when when american eagle yeah doubled down on it and was like yeah we stand 10 toes behind this actually yeah a real failure of corporate comps absolutely for sure and that's why i've always been an abercrombie bitch so you're saying you're an abercrombie girl okay yeah well i was aripostal you're aripostal occasionally when the mood strikes okay and i also actually i'm saying i'm an abercrombie girl bitch i was in gap i was like i was an old navy like i was a big money like that but i'm i'm old navy right now i love old navy and gap yeah i stand by them and i stand with them and then and they haven't let me down and you know they definitely haven't let me down because a gap releasing that cat's eye yeah video period first of all the choreo hit tour that those are some dance backgrounds there's some real dance backgrounds they didn't make a step ball chain a kickball you do it on you do it wrong on purpose that's a mess with me um that also it also fell in tradition with like all of the 90s and like early 2000s gap ads like the one with patrick wilson and um claire danes but with all of the audrey hepburn like the short pant um that was like not like shot in real time but it was like a clip from funny face um but all that stuff i'm like oh like all the khaki gap ads and like oh i love that and they and they said that too when they're like little press releases like we're not new to this we're true to this yeah we've been around the block yeah yeah yeah we don't need to sell white power in order to sell some jeans i do want to say um so people said that city sweetie and scooter run had tmz broke the story originally people confirmed that they are usually hooking up um emphasis on the casual uh someone said she a source said she is living her life and working hard at tiff they asked her about if she will discuss the jeans ad you're making glad and she said quote i am there to support my movie and the people involved in making it and i'm not there to talk about jeans the movie is about christy and that's what i'm here to talk about um i'm not there to talk about jeans i'm like well girl willie you brought it up you did that that's kind of the whole and it's not like the ad is like you know million things it's just kind of clearly fun well she remember a while ago she gave this interview that was like i don't think people realize like how little little actors make yeah right now like so she's like i'm taking on all these projects i'm doing all these things because like i need money yeah no i i can understand the econ economics of it yeah the tariffs if you will but then i feel like i bring up tariffs every episode and if you ask me what a tariff is well i know what a tariff is it's what's shutting down essence right now oh yeah i just put in my last order wedding dress get ready for get ready for the tariffs on it oh shit yeah anyway well now i know what a tariff is yeah so you learn in real time okay um but i was thinking about that when i was thinking about that ad being like girl i mean i guess a check is a check but like is it sometimes well okay i kind of feel this is not you know maybe don't hold me to this but i have been working out in my head something about how people are always on settings we need for like doing you know ads for any and everything which i understand yeah it does kind of feel like the brand management is not completely there however i mean timmy chalamet did a thing for his contracts are like chanel and cash app cash i've got the money though catch up has money also i will say i saw this tick tock about how cash app specifically markets itself to a black consumer so he saw nick and got on his zoom but okay but the thing is like that feels so different to me though and it's also we're talking about the high and low like different types of brands but it's giving it's giving the sydney sweeney is giving um where's my unemployed sister's name the one that isn't doja cat saweetie pb purchase oh what anyway remember when saweetie was doing ad in the same week for crocs ranch you know buffalo wild wings like it was like it was like well hold on i mean i guess like your spawn is my spawn is her spawn too i'm but i don't know i think she needs to look at her management and And not look at Scooter Braun. I think she needs to get away from that man. Well, yes. Get him in her hands. Yes. And get out of a Republican registration and into. Into some books. Into some books. Into some learning. Let's call you in. Yeah. I'm going to switch gears completely, can I? Because I read something this week that I have to discuss. Oh, yeah. But it's still in the universe. Okay. In the cut, September issue, there is a story about Selena Gomez's mother, Selena Gomez, and their Wondermind mental health startup. It was written by Angelina Chapin. I think that's how you pronounce her name. So just briefly overview of Mandy Teefee, Selena Gomez's mother. She had Selena when she was like about 16 or 17. She was briefly her manager when Selena was like going through Barney, like got the Disney stuff. But they are, they're always falling out. They're always falling out, coming back together and falling out. I specifically remember when Selena was doing the Woody Allen. I remember when Selena was doing the Woody Allen movie, Rainy Day in New York, and Mandy Teefee got on Instagram and was like, well, I actually, I told her, don't do this movie. I told her, don't, because Selena had like auditioned like six times for Woody Allen, like crazy. What? Yeah. Actually, that's just. Which I'm like, how dare he make you beg, queen? Let me stop you right there. Hannah and her sisters, I think, was at Waverly Place. Anyway. So they're always in some sort of, what? Just kidding. What? You know I'm tired and you gotta, you gotta be your crazy. Craziest self. What did I, what did I text you when I was on my way? Go ahead, tell them what I told you. She said, I'm in go mode with like this insane live photo of her. It was the craziest angle. Running through the street. I was like, well, I'm in stop mode, so we gotta meet in the middle. Oh my God. Okay, we keep going. So the most shocking moments about this story are just basically how Selena Gomez's mother is both like completely ill-equipped. Yeah. Both like just logistically and also politically. Like perhaps living in a very unstable environment where she was at times sleeping in the office, not showering, watching Schitt's Creek for hours of the day, and then couldn't pay people. The wonder mind was like kind of on the brink of like insolvency at almost every point. And she at one point during this happening said she was gonna mortgage her house to make payroll. Oh shit. And then her representatives said that like they denied a lot of the claims. There's parts about her like snorting Ritalin. Off of her desk. Oh, fuck. And they denied all of that stuff. But did say that like she had a lot of difficulties during that time in her life. And that, you know, that wonder mind, everyone wanted to succeed and just couldn't. And then there, I want to read you this one part. One employee recalls Gomez finding her mother lying on a couch covered in blankets, her hair must, wearing slippers and a sweatsuit that she had on for several days in a row. "How long have you been here?" The staffer recalls Selena Gomez asking, sounding concerned, "Have you gone home?" It like, it just, it's very bleak. And it made me sad. Also, I hate the name wonder mind. I know that wasn't, sorry. That wasn't like, you said all this like deep stuff. Fuck. I'm gonna be different next episode. Sorry, sorry. So you say don't wonder about this mind. It's gonna be changing soon. But I, as I, it's a really, really fascinating story. And there's also a moment where it's like, I don't know, I don't know what to do. so you say don't wonder about this mind it's gonna be changing soon um but i as i it's a really really fascinating story and there's also a moment where selena gomez is like allegedly drunk at sunset tower bar and it's like i'm about to go have sex i really can't deal with whatever's going on right here right now um but it's it's pretty shocking i will say the great unifier is like mommy issues nobody's clean nobody's clean nobody's clean one more time nobody's clean cut right there like it's gone on long enough i i need to release my sister i'm just like i gotta go home and so does bayton um i gotta put me first lucius i gotta put me first oh wait i'm gonna try something new here at the end of the episode we we're curious leave a comment in I don't know Spotify, YouTube wherever you get your podcasts or DM us if there's something that you're like you have to press play on this okay because there's we got a few things in the queue right now but we want to know what to prioritize and I'll just leave this cliffhanger because it worked with the hunting wives maybe the Jesse Smollett dog is something we return to on this podcast so I'm just putting it out there for y'all to pick up well you know i'm about to say girl i'm not wearing this hat for no reason what would you wear that for because i my my last trip to the u.s open by the time this comes out we'll have we'll know who the champions oh we'll be yeah oh work yes yes and it will either be work well the men's semifinals tonight so i don't know who's what men are gonna be in the finals probably um alcaraz sinner and then for the women's final it's gonna be amanda anisimova who's american she bageled at Wimbledon lost 6-0 6-0 to Iga Swiatek and now like that's like you know terrible score you know tennis scores and now she's coming back and it's gonna be the final against Avalinka that's huge that's really crazy no literally imagine losing at Wimbledon so badly and she was so like sweet and not like sweet but like like composed then I was like wow and I read this New York Times story about how before the semifinal um before she played IGA again and I guess in the quarterfinals she was like I watched back the like tape of like how the mistakes that I made and then just like learn and like kind of put it out of my head and she's like I watched some of my highlights just to kind of end on top oh period no I knew you would like that well because I get it and I would I've have you ever had to watch a highlight reel in in high school to make out with a boy boys in high school love to i have had to watch just basketball games to make out with the boy i mean the highlight reels are words because it's just like a fan cam of yourself hoping it's like oh that's good layout you just were talking about hooping all episodes you talk about hooping i don't want to like that's not what i was there for i wasn't there to watch this was not a basketball yeah i was gonna say when i i was looking for someone on my find my friends and i see hunter and i was like oh my god she's catching a flight and i was like even even worse hunter either always on vacation or always an arthur ash no it's okay it's literally like my liberty game it's like it's like the time to arthur ash but i am to barclays center and it's i love it i love it i truly i think arthur ash is such a beautiful stadium i don't think there's a bad seat i've been in the nosebleeds have wept up there i've been courtside i think it's also cool but i just oh my god the lights on arthur ash the lights need to be a little bit dimmer but yeah you know my take i know i know i know let's not let's not wake that up again um i do i think it's funny that we showed up to a party wearing the exact same outfit it was funny because it was like so which one is gay and which one has money like white tank but like my bra was showing like i have like a bunch of necklaces on i have a big chunky belt black pant black like slacks and i had i had white tank bra not showing classy um no bell but flip-flops and then ankle bracelet oh she looked at her product purse i feel like you stay pocket watching oh my god absolutely have you met me i'm what's that how much did it cost too oh yeah no i'm annoying welcome to episode 69 of this podcast she's awake now 69 nice um no but it was funny i was like oh there's this like um tiktok or tweet or fucking something that was like when you start to share a brain with someone that you're friends with i was like oh this is like a version of that. That's like our like staple girl outfit being like, literally like, Oh my gosh. Not the first time it's happened. Um, well, I think that's it for this week. It's gotta be, I gotta get up out of here. Well, I gotta go to bed. As usual, we are too online. So you don't have to be sometimes. So she doesn't have to be apparently this week. I took a week off. Okay. I said, you got this. I'll be here. I told you I'll be a better person next week. Follow us on socials at Let Me Say This Pod, at Peyton Diggs, and at Hunter H. Let Me Say This is hosted by me, Hunter Harris. And me, Peyton Diggs. Let Me Say This is a production of Blundery. Yeah, get your first, I'ma talk, let me say this. Production services by DCP Entertainment. For DCP, the producer is Ryan Ronkema and the executive producers are Adele Coleman and Alyssa Brittis. Our theme song is by Scott Velasquez. For Wondery, our managing producer is Taylor Sniffen. Nick Ryan is our senior managing producer. Our producer is Kate Young. 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