UNIDENTIFIED: Flathead County Doe

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But before they can determine how or why this person died, they have to know who he is. They have enlisted the help of the DNA Doe project, and you guys know we love the DNA Doe project, and they have gotten so close to the finish line. But the Sheriff's Office needs your help, because you, out there listening right now, they believe you could hold the final key to solving this mystery. So listen close to the story of Flathead County, John Doe. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) According to the Farmers Almanac late October 2003 was cold in Flathead County, Montana. It's a good time for hunting though, and two hunters were taking advantage of the good conditions. They were walking at the top of a cliff near a wooded area when they spot something. It's a tattered nylon bag. They look at each other and side to side, realizing that no one seemed to be around as far as they could see. And it didn't seem like the kind of bag that another hunter would just leave out here. So they decide to take a peek. Inside one of the hunters finds a 22 caliber pistol, and nearby there's a butterfly knife and a nickel. And this is strange, yes. But honestly, to two dudes out there that day, it didn't mean much. However, one of the hunters told his wife about his findings when he got home. And I have to believe that she was a crime junkie based on her response, because she tells him, maybe you should go back out there and see if there's anything else. Like you found this at the top of a cliff, and no one around like think about that honey, top of a cliff. You gotta go check the bottom of that cliff. So the guy goes back on October 26, and sure enough, wife he was right. There at the bottom of the cliff among brush was a human skull. Next to it, he also saw a tennis shoe, a water bottle, and a small pack rat's nest nearby. He decided to look through the nest to see if there was anything else identifiable, and he found sunglasses, a marijuana pipe, and a collection of other random items. It's at this point the hunter calls the sheriff's office to report the findings. Now, what's interesting is that the sheriff's team can't just jump in their cars and get there right away. And here's why. It seems that while you can get to this area by foot as proven by the hunter, you can't actually get there by vehicle unless you have a key. Because this area where the remains were found is this wooded area off of a gated road. So the sheriff's office had to call in a Fish and Wildlife Officer to come meet them at the gate with a key so they could drive back there. And this might not seem like a big clue, and maybe I'm really into it too much, but I think it's worth noting, because it means that our John Doe probably got back there by foot, and he didn't arrive in that area by any sort of vehicle. The sheriff who responded waits for detectives to arrive who take over the scene, and a crime scene specialist joins them to collect the skull, other bones scattered around nearby, and items that were found as well, and then all of it is sent off for processing. Investigators tried to glean information from the scene itself, but it was hard. Just by the condition of the remains and the items left behind, it was clear that they had been there for a long time. And the bones themselves had been so spread apart by animals that it was impossible to even determine where the initial crime scene was. While most of the bones were scattered on the base of the cliff, there was a single clavicle bone found at the top, which could potentially indicate that's where whatever happened to this man took place. I remember in my research for the My Trees Richardson case that there was one expert who I believe said that animals don't usually move things up to higher ground, they would take something like human remains and move them down. And I don't know if that's the case here, and truthfully, neither do the investigators. All they could do was use the skull as their marker and then fan out one to 200 yards in every direction looking for clues. In addition to all the items found by the hunter, they also find additional coins, a bottle of a leave, and a handheld poker game. The most recently dated coin was from 1990, so at least their window is narrowing a bit. We went from, you know, this could have happened at any point to, well, it could have happened at any point after 1990, but using other things at the scene, they narrow it down even further. Within days, while they're still waiting for a forensic exam to come back and tell them more about their victim, the detective does some legwork to try and narrow down this window even further. He gets this great idea to call the Aleve customer hotline, who were able to tell him more about that particular bottle that they found at the scene. They say that Aleve was first distributed over the counter in June of 1994, and back then Aleve was made by Proctor and Gamble. But in January of 1997, Bayer took over distribution, and when they took over, the style of the bottle that was previously used changed. So looking at what they had, the bottle in their possession that was at this scene matched the kind that Proctor and Gamble used to produce, meaning our 13 year window just shrunk to two and a half years, sometime between June 1994 and January 1997. On October 29, just three days after the school was discovered an evidence technician actually did the same thing with the Adidas shoe found at the scene. They were able to give Adidas the description of the shoe along with some numbers that appeared on the shoe, and the tech was told that the shoe was manufactured in May of 1995, making our window even smaller. But the biggest clue of all was that gun, or at least it should have been. But detectives are about to find out this case that seems like they're moving so quickly on is about to have its first dead end, and it would be a sign of what's to come. YouTube is already an essential part of daily life. The go-to place for every mood, moment, and deep dive. If you like YouTube, you'll love YouTube Premium. YouTube Premium super charges the entire viewing experience by removing every single interruption. That means completely ad-free watching across the world's largest creator ecosystem. 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Adapted from the best-selling novel by Colling Hoover, Verity is a psychological thriller starring Dakota Johnson as Lohan Ashley, a struggling writer hired to ghost right for renowned author Verity Crawford, played by Anne Hathaway. Lohan reglocates to Verity's remote estate, where she discovers what appears to be Verity's autobiographical notes, revealing disturbing confessions that completely changed what she thought she knew about Verity and her husband Jeremy, played by Josh Hartnett. I read the book, and I swear I was analyzing every detail, trying to figure out what actually happened. Guns that are manufactured and sold through official channels have a serial number, and this gun that the hunter found in that bag was no exception. Within the first few days of the investigation, detectives are able to track down the purchase history of the weapon, and they find that in January of 1994, it was purchased by a man in Sandy, Utah. But when police look into this guy, he is alive and well. That skull found at the base of the cliff clearly doesn't belong to him. But surely there must be some connection. So investigators contact this guy to see why his gun wasn't with him and how it could have been that it was found near the set of remains two states away. The man's response was simple. He said he had sold all of his firearms between March and June of 1994. So essentially two to six months after purchasing it. He said he decided to sell it and he has no idea what happened to it after that. Obviously, my first question, like probably yours, is, well, who the heck did he sell it to? And the answer is underwhelming. He says he doesn't recall, but most likely, it would have been one of two different gun stores. So with the gun turning into somewhat of a dead end, investigators focus back in on the bones, hoping that they would tell them something about their victim. They brought in the University of Montana's anthropology department and they made several more trips back out to the scene. And each time they would find more and more bones and more and more clues. On one particular trip in April of 2004, they also found pages of a book, which they determined to be "Faces of Gravity" by Dan Simmons. The book was published in '89, '90, and then re-released in 2001. So while it didn't help narrow down our timeline anymore, it at least told investigators, and you listening, something about this man. Potentially, he was reading "Faces of Gravity" by Dan Simmons when he died. When the anthropology team gets back to the detectives in November, it seems to be yet another dead end. The bones are old. They'd likely been there for a few years before being found. And all they can tell deputies is that their victim is a white male between 21 and 36, but more likely mid-20s, and he was approximately 5'8". The biggest blow of all is that no manner or cause of death could be determined by looking at his remains. Now, if your crime junkie brain is at all like mine, the first time I read the info on this case, I was viewing everything through the lens of looking to solve a murder. There are remains, a gun with a mysterious purchase history, everything screened mystery, but they couldn't determine how he died. And the truth is, this might not be a murder at all. It might be an accident or even suicide. But like I said at the beginning, we can't know how or why he died until we know who he is, and until a family finally understands where their loved one has been for so many years. Everyone was hopeful in the early days that the dental records would be their key to a match. Their guy had about eight molars and some had filling, so it felt really distinctive, like distinctive enough that if they could match it to a missing person's report, like they'd have their guy. But time and time again, they'd find someone who seemed like a good match, but it was never him. And so the case went cold. Perpolice records, it appears that the case gets another really close look in like 2011, 2012. And I don't know this for sure, but I assume that the Flathead County Sheriff's Office works like a lot of smaller departments. There's no dedicated cold case staff. You work cases in between your other duties, which is why it can get so dragged out. And these cold cases can go on for so many years. But here is where a couple of interesting things happen. Well, at least interesting to me. The detective now in charge of the case decides to go out to the scene one more time, likely just to get like a better sense for the area. I mean, this is important if you're taking on a new case. When he gets to the scene, his report says, quote, I noticed someone has been in the area and placed a white painted metal cross on the top of the cliff marking the area where the decedent was located. End quote. To this day, they still don't know who placed that cross there. Was it a local who was haunted by the story of this young man left without a name? Or perhaps someone was something to a tone for? In addition to the cross, the detectives also noticed another pack rat's nest and inside were more human bones, even all these years later. Now, while they were determined to be human bones, the Sheriff's Office said that quote, DNA testing was not an option, end quote. But they did tell me, however, that there was no indication of a second victim in the area. So the assumption is and has always been that they likely belonged to their original John Doe. The other interesting thing that happens in 2011 is it seems that now, years later, someone actually follows up on the gun owner's story and they try and track down the two stores that this guy says, you know, maybe I sold my gun there. Now in the limited information I was provided, it looked like this is the first time that someone had checked into this guy's story to verify it with the gun shop owners. And when I asked the Flathead County Sheriff's Office if that was correct, the answer I got was that the retired detective didn't recall. Now you could get buried in this detail about what was done and when, what assumptions were made, who made them, I've gotten lost in all those questions. But really, I don't have all of the info and we just are where we are now. So both of the gun shop owners say in 2011 that they have no record of that gun ever coming into their inventory. And it's not from what I can tell that the records are just too old or they don't have them. It's my understanding they kept good records but they never purchased that gun, meaning that that gun was never sold to them. So now in 2011, detectives go back to this guy in Sandy, Utah, who now says, well, you know, I might have ponded it maybe instead of selling you to the gun store. I probably ponded it sometime in '94 or '95 and he added more detail saying that he was actually going through a divorce at the time and needed some cash. And listen, I don't love it. It seems like you'd remember being in the middle of a divorce and being hard up for cash even more clearly when it was actually happening instead of years later. But when I asked the Flathead County Sheriff's if this man was considered a suspect in any way, they said, quote, the original gun owner was cleared at the time of the initial investigation. But like with any investigation, it must remain fluid should any new evidence arise. I spoke to him again after I found the bones and there was no reason to consider him a suspect at the time. He did provide a name and location of the pawn shop he sold the gun to. The shop was contacted and was very cooperative but was unable to provide any new information. End quote. So without any new information, even this legwork in 2011, 2012 didn't get them any closer to a name. And a name is what they need to move this case forward. And as you all know, we are now in the season of justice. So when all doors seemed closed before, we now have a window. The Flathead County Sheriff's Office has been working with the DNA DO project in order to use genealogy to figure out who our John Doe is. They said at this time their main goal and focus is to identify his name, who he is. And once that happens, investigators can determine what direction to go in from there. So whatever kind of case we're talking about, murder, suicide accident, it doesn't matter yet because it doesn't change the fact that we need his name. He was a young man who belonged to someone. He was someone's son, someone's friend, maybe a brother. Now, as much as we hope genealogy is the end all be all, It is only as good as the database they have to cross reference with. The DNA Doe project has taken on this case and they have been working on it for well over a year close to two at this point and they are so close to the finish line but this is where they need your help. When they compared our Doe's DNA to ancestral databases, the closest match that they got was actually pretty far away. They're what DNA Doe project calls low matches. So we're talking like a fourth cousin and I don't know about you but I couldn't even name a single fourth cousin for you much less know anything about their daily lives. So as you can imagine when you get that far out in a family tree you aren't dealing with a single last name. People marry, divorce, remarry, die. Genealogy can be messy so just keep that in mind as I tell you what we know. Based on his DNA the DNA Doe project believes that even though he was found in Montana his family lineage could be linked back to one of 11 family names in one of three different counties. He could potentially be related to family members or ancestors from Harlan County, Kentucky with the last names, Sailor, Helton, Brock or Blanton or he could potentially be related to family members or ancestors from Montgomery County, Indiana with the last names Ward or Lynn or Barrett and a third possibility is that he could potentially be related to family members or ancestors from Hancock County, Tennessee with the last names Green, Epperson, Seals or Trent. I'm going to put the counties and spellings of those last names in the show notes and on our blog post on the website. We have a huge crime junkie audience here in the Midwest who might recognize one of those names but it's important to hear this even if you're not local because this guy was clearly out of state at least at some point and just because his fourth cousin or great-great-grandmother lived in one of those areas with one of those last names doesn't mean he did. Is there someone you knew in the 80s and 90s who after 1995 you haven't heard from since? No matter where they're from, no matter what their last name is, family member or friend or even a story you heard from a family member about maybe one of their distant cousins who ran away or no one heard from again. He was a white male who would have been between 21 and 36 though if you're thinking of someone who's a little bit outside of that range don't talk yourself out of it. A recent poster made for this case list his age range as potentially being as broad as 18 to 42. He was around 57 or 58. He wore a size 11 Adidas tennis shoe. He carried a handheld poker game with him and he might have read phase of gravity by Dan Simmons. We also know that he was in possession of a Smith & Wesson pistol with an Uncle Mike sidekick black nylon holster which those of you who aren't familiar with guns like me Uncle Mike is a brand not like an engraving or anything. The anthropology team who consulted on this case did a facial reconstruction from that skull to show what our John Doe might have looked like and you can find that on our Instagram @crimejunkypodcast or on the blog on our website crimejunkypodcast.com And I can't stress this enough. Please don't limit your thinking just to people who have been reported missing. Don't say well you know I don't know of any people in my life who have a missing loved one because if you read a lot of the success stories on the DNA Doe project's website many of them share something similar. They weren't reported missing. They're family often thought that they ran away or left to start a new life. So please keep your thinking broad and if you have absolutely any information big or small call the Flathead County Sheriff's Office at 406-758-5585. If you want to see the facial reconstruction for the Flathead County John Doe you can find it on our website crimejunkypodcast.com. All of the information and facts for this episode were generously provided by the Flathead County Sheriff's Office and the DNA Doe project. I will see all of you crime junkies on Monday for a regularly scheduled episode. Crimejunky is an audio check production. So what do you think Chuck? Do you approve? It starts with something small. A light in the sky moving in a way it shouldn't. A sound no one can place. A story someone swears is true even if no one else believes them. And the more you hear the harder it gets to explain away. 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