Undrafted Gems + ALMOST Football Time! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/8

[MUSIC] >> Welcome to the Fantasy Footballer's podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. [MUSIC] >> Ah, welcome, Ian. That was, that was upsetting to my soul. >> I find that, that's what you sound like. >> Pretty offensive. >> Yeah, like, guys, I mean, was that spot on? >> Doosters are nodding and- >> Andy nailed it. >> The end of that- >> That's what I'm talking about. >> The end of that was troubling to me. Is that how you hear my voice? >> Yeah, you hear my voice. >> Well, me, I- >> Look, your voice is still struggling. We couldn't have week one opening without a- >> Especially after our reminder draft, all the shout and screaming last for other. >> I'm all for a substitutionary welcomes, and we can make other people rotate through. And so I get back to full strength. But I'm here, and we had our League of Record draft last night. That did not help the vocal recovery, I would say. It did help the Mike celebratory- >> Oh, man. >> Mike was the super duper champ last year, and so he won in our dynasty and our League of Record, and he has enjoyed that very much. >> And so the champ often does something special at the draft. And Mike, when I showed up, there were two banners, bigger than I knew they could make, that had been hung from the walls. >> One of them very inappropriately hung. >> He's removed things from the wall to get these to fit. I mean, they are gigantic super banners, which, okay, step one, complete. I expected a super banner. But then, I rolled up, and there were some hints that he had brought in a bartender. And so there was a bartender with a bar, he had hung his own banner from that. And so, and then he had his own custom cocktail, which was actually quite delicious. >> It's very refreshing. >> And Al had so many heat drafts at all white receivers the whole night long. >> And so it was part of, I didn't really have picks, right. So it was part of my strategy, was give people off of their game, let the players drop to me. They didn't drop to me. >> No, no, they didn't. But I mean, your team's all right. So then we get, we get going and like, we're all set up, we're getting ready for the draft. And then the icing on the cake was in Roles, two fine gentlemen, part of a jazz duo. >> Yes. >> I had live jazz right next to Mike's drafting spot and guitar. >> Which was dude, it was unbelievably good. >> Honestly, when they showed up, I felt bad for them. I was like, these guys don't want to be here. In this room of fantasy football nerds doing a draft, and they're like, why are we here? Why are you paying us to do live jazz music here? But then it was awesome. They loved it. >> Every time they stopped to take a break or something, it was like, this is just awful. >> This is not as good as when they were playing. >> No. >> And I will say, on the other hand, I think the bartender had the time of his life. He is normally dealing with mother-in-law's at weddings and ends up at the league of record draft and it was a good time. So that's what we did last night. And now, mercifully, a new season begins, not a year of Mike, right? How? It's over? >> That's right. >> Yeah, it's over. >> The year's -- >> A game. >> On this episode. >> Episodes. >> Yeah, Mike is the team. If it doesn't win five straight from here on on Healby Bond. But you were saying, we're going to cover an actual game today. We have football starting, listen to this. Tomorrow. >> Oh! >> What tomorrow is Wednesday? >> That is, in fact, what the NFL is willing to do. Any day, all the time. >> I'll forgive it on week one. >> Yeah, I'm fine. Week one. >> Week one. I'll forgive it. >> But don't worry, there's a Thursday game. >> Yeah, no, that's great. And also Sunday and Monday, and it's going to be great. And we're finally here. And 99% of you have drafted your teams. There are still megalable drafts taking place. I believe -- Papa Josh, you're back there. Did we add a -- I don't want to speak out of turn. >> Yes, there's a -- >> We have a noon Wednesday draft. >> Correct. >> So, we have our final megalable drafts and apologies for those that drafted in the very first spot. There was a bump with the sleeper system. We had to redraft a couple of leagues, and that's never happened before, but apologies on that. Drafts have been happening. If you want to get in the megalable, it is official. We have the most people that have ever been in the megalable this year. And you can go to megalable.com. It is our super league, 22 to 25,000 range right now. I'm not sure what the exact number is. I know we passed the record. But there's drafts today. >> Yes, there's a draft at 8 p.m. Eastern tonight. So, if you want to draft tonight, you can still get in. And there's another draft tomorrow that -- >> That's for the games. That's noon. >> Our noon -- >> I believe it's 1.30 p.m. Eastern. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Let's track this down. Those are a lot of different stuff. >> I thought it was noon. >> No. >> No, noon central. >> It is not. I mean, it's close. Is noon 30 central? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. I'm looking right now. I'll tell you right now. I'm in that queue. So, that's where I'm going to be draft. >> The games always display in your local time zone. >> Whoa! >> Look at us. >> Yeah, UK friends. Whatever draft time shows up is your local draft time. >> It'll show it right there. So, I'm looking at 10.30 a.m. tomorrow for our time is when I will be drafting. >> So, hopefully everybody's drafts really well this past weekend. About 50% of -- I think we had about 50% of the people drafted had a big draft this weekend. So, it's fine. It's time to go. We've got to finally see how players perform. We've got tons of stuff on today's show. We've got the waiver wire looking at undrafted gyms, guys that you can pick up, maybe see what happens in week one. I think that's the biggest post -- >> I'm going to need these names. >> Post draft tip Mike does. Mike is -- his team is thin. >> Yes. >> His team is strong, but thin as they would say, stars and scrubs. >> Yes. So, we'll talk waiver wire undrafted gyms today. We will preview the Wednesday night football game. If we have time, we'll get in some mail back. We've got news to cover. We've got a lot going on. And of course, all season long, 17 weeks, join the community. Use the ultimate dashboard. Get your start sit tool, all of the rankings. Tons of free stuff on the website, the fantasy footballers.com. Always get every sources for you. We have continued to refine our weekly rankings processes individually. You're talking 12 years worth of iteration and improvement to try to give you an advantage each and every week. We want to help everybody out. Whether you're a part of the football game or not, tons of free resources, articles, Kyle the Borgogan is in the house today. >> Yeah, he is. >> He was in for the draft yesterday, recorded a show this morning, and he is our editor and chief taking care of business with the articles. And those are all for free, available at the fantasy footballers.com as well. So, quick question of the day is one of my favorite of all time, because it's just true. And so, this quick question of the day is amazing. It is who is a player that you might have been on the fence about. But now that you drafted him, and I'm going to say last night in our draft, you're behind him 100%. >> You really see the arguments for this player now. And I mean, I can tell you the most truthful one, because it is exactly what you're saying, where I was really on the fence until on the clock, me and my co-manager, we talked ourselves into the upside, and since that time, I was like, you have now confirmed it? >> I've confirmed it. We were in another draft right now, and I took him again. >> Yeah. >> It's, it's luckier of him. >> Amazing. >> luckier of him is going to be so good, guys. I am sure, 24 years old, he's still young, he was dealing with the shoulder injury. That injury has passed. It's wheels up, baby. He's in flight. Also I drafted Blake Chorum. He is going to be. >> My God. >> His sensational superstar. >> Blake Chorum on his awesome. >> I mean, to be fair, I have, I have not changed on Blake Chorum. >> No, but you drafting him as comedic. >> I want, I mean, I went into that draft saying I have to leave this draft with Blake Chorum. He's one of the best picks in fantasy. That's like, I know I am Mr. Kyron Williams. I still am. I think Kyron's going to be a top 12 running man. >> Maybe Mrs. Blake Chorum. >> Hey, you, you available? Blake? >> No, I love Blake Chorum. He's an excellent back, should be, you know, rock forever. >> So would you say like right now because he's on your team? Would you say you're kind of a rooting for like Blake Chorum to take over the backfield and like Dominic? >> Because he's on my team. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> I don't have Kyron. I have Blake. So come on. >> I hope I'm wrong about Kyron. >> My, my, my player in this category of on the fence about, but once I drafted him I'm 100% about, was Woody Marks, Woody Marks who I got so late in this draft, I wanted to add a little running back depth and I was trying to talk myself into who was available. And you know what? I realized right after I drafted Woody Marks that those 50, 50 time share conversations in Houston really run true to me. You know what I mean? They really seemed authentic and real and I, you know, old busted David my opportunity just pretty much on the edge of retirement. >> I am trying to tell you. >> Woody Marks. I mean, this guy is explosive and who says the young guy can't take over the backfield? So obviously, um, change of heart there right about the eighth round. >> And, uh, it wasn't a change of heart but I'll, Malik Willis, I just. have gone from being like this is, this is a good end of draft pick as like a QB2, which he, that's what he is for me too. I mean, the guy's just oozing with top five upside, clearly. I mean, with the amount that he's gonna run and wish, what did it look? Chris Bell, it's totally gonna work. His ACL is very fine. And special shout out, speaking my language, Mike. A special shout out here, because Kyle is in the building. And if you listen to the fancy MVP show, Kyle had some strong words for this character who is now on our team, George Hallani. Come on down. You're a Hallani bro now. Oh man, we're fully in. We're on the guy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Unquestioned goal line running back for the Seattle Seahawks. I mean, if you wanna know where Mike was, the draft pick wise yesterday. Just speak George Hallani's name. That's about where you were drafting players. You might have to flex at that point. Yeah. Well, come on. Who out there? How many drafts are going on? Where Hallani is not being drafted? What? I think everyone. I think everyone. No. I think everyone. Well, not everyone. Not as I drafted him. No, that's true. 'Cause he's eight touchdowns coming in. I'm just curious. How was there anybody in this category for you? I know I'm putting you on the spot, but I know you have a lot of white outs and things like that. Was there anybody that you drafted that you were like on the fence about but now our convinced might perform for your team? No, I knew they'd all be great when they're happy. Okay, all right. We'll just go right into the news. (upbeat music) News and notes from around the league. (upbeat music) In the least exciting announcement of all time, the Falcons announced to a Tunga Veloah will start in week one against the dealer. Sure. They're time. Yeah, one week before kick off and they know who their starter is, I think this is a pinnix not ready to go yet or at least that's how it's being approached because that gives them the ability to say, you were always gonna be the starter pinnix. I took to a Tunga Veloah in a draft. You don't have to start. Some things you don't have to say. It was an eight. Yeah, that was a game. Final pick of the draft. He was in my queue. He was the last quarterback that anyone could take that wasn't a full backup. It was crazy. Shane Stuykin, this is good news. That Alec Pierce is expected to play in week one against the La Ravens. Come on. All good news. We want all good news this week. Roma Dunze was not seen practicing. Yeah. Didn't you listen to Micah second ago? Yeah. We want all good news. Just the good stuff. Now again, see? It's what you sound like. Roma Dunze not practicing but Kalmananga is back at practice. The Andre Swift back at practice. Yes. Jonathan Brooks worked to the side at practice again on Monday. Let General Sornis. Oh, general salute to you. Let me say this. I realized something about keeping Brooks on the sideline. I want to be in on Jonathan Brooks, but let me tell you, I am a weak, wailed individual when it comes to that. I realized that if I see one like one step on a clip from him at practice that doesn't look right, I all of a sudden want to be so out and like chewable for life. Like I am terrified of Jonathan Brooks. But it could work. But it might not work. Yeah. What team does he play for, Jay? He plays for the dead ringers, Andy. Oh, okay. Yeah, because I drafted him and he's going to be so great. Yeah. I'm in. Cardinal said Coach Michael forced that he's optimistic. Jeremiah Love will be able to play on Sunday against the chargers. You'd love to see that. We would. I don't like that verbiage for week one. I mean, what? What will happen? I just realized this. I mean, it doesn't seem possible. But what will happen? If when we come in on Monday next week, the chargers who are supposed to be great, lose to the Arizona Cardinals this weekend, what would happen to your brains? Because the chargers are the perfect team that could like of any team that would, if they lost to the Cardinals, you'd be like, of course, the chargers. I mean, what would happen would be a complete deflation of everything you believe in for the chargers and maybe life. Yeah. Well, it's all fun in games, but can't and that also means there's on the Cardinals will be one game out of drafting arch or Dante. Kyle said that the chargers are the number one survivor pool pick right now for. Oh, he says he can't click it out of fear. The chargers just completely disintegrating 92% of survivor pools in week one. I mean, do we want the comedy? Don't we just want to see the world burn? Sometimes. And I can see how the Cardinals can score on the charges. I just cannot see how the Cardinals can stop the chargers off and ever. There's no big game in. It's in LA, right? It's in LA. Oh, boy. Just saying it before I assume it's the highest spread of the week. It's at 10 and a half. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Take. Trayvian Henderson did not practice again Sunday or Monday. He has not practiced in suffering an ankle injury on August 24th. The bailout continues for Jason New England versus Seattle. Tomorrow we're previewing that game. It doesn't seem like Trayvian was going to be out there. No, no, certainly not. Speaking on Pat McAfee show, I will say, I'm sorry, but I guess we're covering the game, but it's like, even if he plays, I'm not, I don't think you can start him. Adam Shifters said there's a real possibility that hook and a cool avoids any discipline this season. Who said that? Shmadam Shmephtar. Thank you. See, you know, it stinks is his last name, like normally when you try to re-pronounce. It's like, Shmik, right. Like you, certain names don't rhyme when you need to come up with a different name for all. Are you giving it back? I'll lift the embargo. Are you got over it? No. Okay. But we, I will lift the important part. What if I call him Adam Pelicero? No. Pukinacook might avoid discipline. It is still in the back of everyone's mind and that drafts him that he could be something could happen. His whole situation is going to be one of the most interesting ones to watch for the next few years. How do you look at Pukin in a dynasty? He could be the single best dynasty asset. There's a world where that is he's top three or not. Dynasty-wise, I definitely think he's still top five. I know Andy, you and I disagree on the contract, like I think he'll be a ram long term, but let's say you're right. Oh, I don't think he won't. I just think that there's a chance. Yeah. There's a chance that they don't extend him that, you know, I mean, currently they haven't given him a contract. I think they're waiting to see if he's back on track. But let's say he, the Rams are out and he hits the open market. He's going to get the biggest contract of all time from some wide receiver needy team because he's a great young wide receiver. So I don't worry about him outside of just being a knucklehead and I mean, that's a reason though. I mean, Rashi Rice, I think, you know, one or two incidents removed is a different place in Dynasty. Sure. I just make some words. Game of key then, Pukin. Oh, yeah. It can translate to other teams. He's probably in the best spot he could ever be in though. Oh, yeah. Yes. With McVeigh and staff. Yes. Josh Jacobs, first court hearing has been moved up from November 17th to September 10th. That's, this is a big deal. Convenient. Yeah. One of the things that's really frustrating is that people who respond to what we say on the show act like time isn't an element of what happens in the fact that like we said, some things about the November 17th date, which had implications on how long he would be out. If they move the date up two months, that has implications on what will happen. And so I no longer stand by the same comments because the data has changed. Yes. Yeah. If things change and this is a brand new change, it matters. And the new impact is that it appears at first glance and we don't know if this is going to go to trial. If it's going to be, you know, plead out, we don't know the future, but this does imply that because they moved it up now that he's on the exempt list and he can't play football. They're trying to get the process completed quick enough so that his suspension can go soon and he can get back to football this season. As of this moment, my expectation is that the second half of the season, you're probably going to have Jacobs back on the field. We don't know. I mean, just do the math. You're going to miss week one. You're going to have this hearing if they reach a settlement soon thereafter, add six weeks, week eight, nine, 10. Maybe that's when you're seeing him back on the field. And there has been precedent in the past for games on the commissioner exempt list that are missed, essentially being credited towards that's not a guarantee that it would. But the six games, let's say there's two weeks that he's already missed that, you know, it could just be the first six weeks. It could be six weeks out of after that. And there is a world where March on Lloyd shows some stuff and that the distribution of work changes when he returns and things like that. That's the, that is a, I think if you took Lloyd, I think that's a good takeaway of when you take Lloyd, you're betting because it is March on Lloyd good in the NFL. We have no idea. We like the role and the upside is massive if he is good. If he is in fact good over these next handful of games, I would imagine, I think Jacobs misses six at least because of the allegations. If Lloyd is good in those six weeks, he will be a part of the team moving forward. Josh Jacobs won't come back and just completely dominate the, the running back room. Lloyd will be involved. Malig neighbors. ESPN says it looks like he's good to go for some and that's what we're talking about. It's great. The team released the very expensive, Darius Layton, who was going to be owed $13 million dude, which is a good sign for neighbors and a good sign for Malika Fields and a sign for Isaiah Lightly. They hate him. They hate him. They hate him. That's The week that the season is starting you're like ooh time to save some cash like that is So dirty to this player like if you had cut him when you when you wanted to get rid of him forever ago Let him go find a different team. I mean, I I don't know why they hate him because you can't this has to be and this has to be like a personal Thing that they just don't like them. They also paid him a three-year 36-million-dollar They had to yeah, they've always been backed into having to rely on Slayton. Who has been fine the longest tenured New York Giant was was because the week before the season they sent him packing James Winston to your extension So if Jackson dark keeps running like a chicken with his head cut off Winston is there to help and that is a good thing Yeah, we love it. Breeze Hall training towards playing week one with the groin injury. That's good Yeah, that'd be a really nice thing to be able to do his play if you just drafted him and then What do we have we have Tyler Smith left guard for the Cowboys thumb surgery sidelined 46 weeks weakens that offensive line Take a break. We'll jump into some undrafted gyms waiver wire presented by T-Mobile All right, it is the waiver wire the first time and only time we'll be doing this segment before the season begins Because we always want to talk about some post draft options on the waivers Sometimes you wake up and you look at your draft and you go Hmm I don't know if I don't know if I like that guy on the end of my bench there. Maybe there's a different better option So we want to look at some players that you should pay attention to it Maybe it means picking them up now. Maybe it means keeping an eye on them, right? There's a lot of different ways to go about it. We'll obviously have waiver wire segments each and every Tuesday during the season To talk through the best pickups of the week And so you know, I thought one interesting thing Like I was really working through my head space and maybe you guys can help by consulting for me I've been the draft. I have a pretty good team. My team's all right. Yeah Yeah, everybody online was like so you playing a forward team league. No, it's 12 team Yeah, but it's a keeper and you were set up from last year. Yeah. I I so I am thinking to myself how much am I truly going to value? The insurance backs for the players that I have on this roster that right now looks really good But we've done all the numbers the injuries are you know 24% of running backs top 24 running backs make it through 17 weeks You're going to have injuries, but I also know it just sucks to have it does an insurance back on your roster in week one It doesn't suck in week five six seven even later on maybe late into season It just sucks in the beginning because I want to be pulling different players off of the waiver wire If I draft an insurance back I feel like I got to hold them for an injury and then I get impatient and I'd rather be playing around with You know rookies and things like that. So you know, I know I think it depends on who the insurance back is in the Situation of guys like Blake Corham, Jonathan Brooks and Chris Rodriguez Crod You still have the opportunity where week one you learn something and that they are Involved and that they are a a startable flexible asset that still has the insurance upside of Going higher. There's others that you know are just like Kyle Menungai would just be He's not going to usurp the number one role on the team or be so involved. I like Swift But I like Menungai is a flex with benefit player. I don't think he's just a pure insurance. Yeah, I think Corham Brooks Menungai Crod for sure Possibly Algier based on workload for love. Yeah, at least the for all those guys should get weekly touches No matter what right not just not the like you know pure backup situation gain well is probably in that category too. No, Bucky. It's all Bucky. Oh gosh. Don't you Don't you do it to me again? I'm not sure if we check the tape and Kyle probably has some hey I doing it every minute I'm not sure if we check the tape if you had said Bucky Irving's name more than three times in the last year Yeah, and there he was on your team. Yeah, and you were playing that one close to the best. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't let people know even Jason Didn't know how much he loves I was hiding it from myself Until he was the last of a tear I had to take him and went he's gonna be great. That is It's oh fantasy football With that name popped up. It was like warm. Yes, me too And then followed by Blake Corham just who is the sky A deser man on draft day a man who is inventing his strategy Jason got thrown off From the jump yesterday. This was a real issue because so our team we are not not the good Yeah, I mean, so we went all in last year to go after the championship I at the time it looked like it was like Mike and I and which all in and the league of record for the newisters is you trade A lot of your future picks and you like you move them down. Yeah, so I had basically no picks coming into this year because of last year Then I lost my high equity pick my my gamble of Jonathan Taylor in the lottery that stunk and then my pick Spot there's six studs in this draft and I got the seventh pick so I went into this year going like I am playing for next year I traded CD lamp for Malik neighbors when it looked like he wasn't gonna play the beginning of this year because I figure 2027 so I'm like going for 2027 me and my co manager We are setting this up trying to do what Andy did this year and how he arrived at this you know great super team And then at the right at the draft we're like okay, do we want to vote on anything And the league changes the rules on the number one pick to make it a lot like a playoff system for the bottom four teams And you've got a win yeah to get the best picks and I look We're trying to prevent what you're doing. Absolutely. I would vote for this any other year. It's a good It's a good thing for a league, but I came in already like I'm already in this strategy. It's not fair So I was I was like come on man. It's such a I mean nine 10 minutes before the draft you change this I've been working this strat for a month. It's Jason spent the rest of the four hours during the draft Hold it restraining himself from beating up the co manager that suggested it which whole manager is yeah Thanks to votes also I can tell you a lot about the week 15 schedule I got a prep I got a win that week That is amazing um what about some so so when you look at those guys those are all I think high-end insurance back stand-alone value Maybe that Maybe the giants are in the picture there with scataboo Whether it's nausea or Tracy at some point Now what I had a problem with was just deciding on like Like I have let me just give you my scenario. Okay. I have Kenneth Walker who is not always healthy. So Emmett Johnson to me. I think that was one where like yeah Because he's a rookie because he's young. I wanted to take him and you you love to stay And I love to stay but I and I and he's obviously earned that backup role So to me. It's like that one. I think I wouldn't even feel bad having on my team. The other one was Devon H and and You know, I allie Gordon is who I preferred in that situation because In my opinion of H and leaves you know how sometimes the depth chart doesn't reflect what happens correct when A player goes out a different back ends up taking over like Keaton Mitchell's the two but come on if Adele would have a tremendous amount more value probably If Hampton's down and like Denver Jonah Coleman if if if JK Dobbins Yes, if we're gonna hold on to F for JK Dobbins if he misses time I think Jonah Coleman right moves into far more touches than RJ Harvey right and so right now Jalen right is the Running back to on the depth chart Allie Gordon is the three, but to me allie Gordon's the more talented Back So I went there, but I know I'm just gonna release this. Yeah, then I'm just gonna release him to I'm gonna release him tomorrow morning Because that one it like when you have you know like a tank big B who's looked fantastic for Philadelphia on his touches A team as bad as we're projecting Miami to be sure what yeah, we're leaving the window open. Maybe they surprises They're going they're not going to be a good team and if the the super talented running back who's getting all the work miss his time I don't You leak like I'm We talk about the fact I don't think either one will be you know going out there being a top 10 running back Like we talk about you're like the way on the waiver wire, you know so and so season ending injury like this is a full fab dump For this player the Miami situation if you announced it right now that HN is gonna miss the season I'm gonna try and put one of the Miami guys on my roster, but I'm not like I'm not gonna dump my full fab to go get them So in terms of current roster percentages some names to pay attention to on the high end insurance backs Brian Robinson Jr. in Atlanta who Should get goal line from the jump, but would obviously be higher upside tank big B Malik Davis seems to be the running back to in Dallas. He definitely is and then Mike washington if he's out there You know, we're we already have like with Jeremiah love and genty to start the year You have ankle injuries that are are always like could could they re-endrew the ankle? Yes And then you have extended starting opportunities for algear and extended starting opportunities for Mike was and potentially, right? - Oh yeah, well, we do. - And then Woody Marks, Woody Marks is at 59%. The team, I know we can believe or not believe, but the team has said it'll be 50-50. My draft says there'll be 100 marks zero Monty. - I, Woody Marks looked, I mean, it's pre-season, but Woody Marks looked better to me this year. And look, it's crazy, players get better. They actually can improve going into year two. I thought he looked solid and we'll get more work from Dave Montgomery. I think that it, I think it's more of a 60-40, maybe 65, but 60-40 where in there's certain league formats where Woody Marks can start for you. - Talk to me about wide receiver options that you look at as undrafted gyms right now. - And we can talk about whether they were drafted in our league at all. - Yeah, to me, the rookies, we always love taking a shot on. We know that the data says that they get off to slow starts if they're not a high end first round NFL draft pick. So, you know, if you're taking a shot on Jacobi Lane who's popped in pre-season or Malachi Fields who looks like he's the number two, and now that they released Area Slate, and that's probably great news for Malachi Fields in New York to get it on the field. You've got Chris Bell for the Miami Dolphins, who was a first round talent, but then he had the injury who's healthy, but my assumption is that all of these wide receivers will not play enough snaps in week one to be really fire. - Those are all guys I'd want to have in week one to see if something happens though. - Yeah, 'cause they have a pathway to huge opportunity. - Yeah, I would throw Caleb Douglas there as well. Chris Bell/Caleb Douglas, two rookie wide receivers for the Dolphins. I think Caleb Douglas has the opportunity to get off to a faster start, because I expect him to play 75 plus percent of the snaps from week one. So Malachi Fields and Caleb Douglas, those would be the two that I think you'll be able to see something week one, whereas the others I'm not confident, even I think Chris Bell's more talented. Jacobi Lane has looked awesome. I'm just not positive they're gonna be on the field week one enough to really make a decision as to whether you keep holding them or not. - I agree, Malachi Fields, we were like just a couple picks away, Kyle and I, when the news broke. So we, based off of our roster was like, okay, we gotta take a chance on Malachi Fields. I haven't seen any reporting about this. So this is just like trying to think about the situation. Odo Beckham did make the team. Just like and the reports of him, they've, he's, of course, he's not young Odo Beckham, but Malachi Fields is, he was a third round pick, am I right, Kyle? - That is correct. - He was, so that's a day two pick. Mike, remember? - Yeah, yes, yeah. For our three day two, he was a day two pick. But just saying of, with the release of Sladen, it would shock me to see OBJ as a full time starter for the Giants. - Didn't Mooney make the roster? - Yeah, no one cares. - I'm just asking. Veterans with opportunities on Tavy and Wix, I drafted him yesterday. - Yeah, that's a great one. - I would not like that you took him. - I would much rather have Don Tavy and Wix than all of those rookies we just mentioned. - Keenan Allen, who did get drafted. I chose Wix over Allen at that point in the draft. - Yeah, we chose Allen over Wix. - Tight ends that I am watching in week one, Terrence Ferguson. - Yes. - Keep an eye on how they use three wide, three tight ends in the LA, that's a Thursday game I believe. So we'll get to watch that in prime time. - Yeah, I think Terrence Ferguson and Greg Dullsich are the perfect stashes because week one you're gonna know what is their involvement in this offense. And it's either more than likely, it's not involved enough. And you just punt them on an important week one waiver wire. Or they're like, okay, these guys are running tons of routes and earning targets, those are my favorite. Because like, Joanne Johnson. I like Joanne Johnson a lot. I think if I need to play a player, he shouldn't be on waivers as good as whoever else was picked in the last round. But if I'm stashing a guy that I'm not playing, it would be the other two like higher upside options. - If you want me to tell you a player that nobody will roster even if I talk about him and could end up with just a wild week one that blows your mind. It is the tight end one for the chargers. It is Charlie Kohler because I was just typing. - It's only Kohler to Jason. It's Kohler to the world. Charlie Kohler is the number one tight end for the chargers. If you look at the competition, you're like, oh, they got a bunch of tight ends. Don't think of it that way. Think of it as they decided to add a veteran declining David Najoku, who's not number one on the dev chart. And then Aronde Gadson has had the worst off season possible. They don't like him as much as fancy football nerds. - No, they don't. And so literally Charlie Kohler, free agent contract, tight end one, offensive coordinator that will utilize him. - Yeah, I just shout out John who Smith. - Yeah, I just think it could be a completely out of nowhere week one for Charlie Kohler, where everybody's like, we'll come. The next time we do the waiver show, we're like, guys, Charlie Kohler, what are we thinking? - Yeah, he's a, I mean, he was in that category of a stash where it's just, okay, we'll punt him in week one or he will surprise and be there. And you might look at his career, he's going into year five and be like, he's had 30 catches in five years. He's a blocking, he is a, he is a blocking tight end. And he is, but he is also very capable. If you go back and look at his Iowa state college, I mean, he's totally equipped to catch 700 passing yards, 756 receiving the water back, but like three seasons of massive college production as a receiver. So he's got the chops. - And then if you want to like a week one to keep an eye on the number one quarterback to throw on the bottom of your bench, it's a QB2 to see if you get catch lightning in a bottle as Malik Willis plays Las Vegas. Totally worth seeing what that offense, what he can do. I may have placed a financial wager, which I do almost never. I mean, you guys know this, I mean, I've probably placed two or three bets a year on Malik Willis' week one yardage because it is at one, I mean, I think in some books, it's at 168, which would be, I think the second lowest like ever for a starting quarterback in week one. - Well, it's 'cause of that Raider's defense, man. - I mean, I find that to be like, I'm just sharing that. I'm not a bet expert, a betspurt, whatever you want to call it. That is just one to me that I'm like, my convictions on Malik Willis, that matchup, I think he's gonna throw the ball a ton. I don't know. - I'm for it, it wasn't, like I didn't just draft Malik Willis at the end and now I'm like, oh, it's gonna be great. Like Kyle can attest. My game plan going into this was I really, really want to draft Malik Willis and to see what happens. - Yeah, 'cause if, which Kyler fits that as well, I hate to say it, but like week one, just see what happens to Kyler because maybe something goes right. - He could, but Malik is gonna run more than Kyler. - I agree. - And he's younger, so that's why I prefer that side. The truth is, if Willis is competent, like if Willis is thrown for 200 yards of game, 'cause he's gonna be running for like 40 yards. He's not gonna have a choice with, when he looks out and his receiver core is just absolutely see belted out there. He's gonna run. Yeah. - I would also throw Tyler Schuck into that. - Oh yeah, oh yeah. - He has gone from the highest upside, I'm so excited. We need to get him at the end of every draft to Jordan Tyson, got injured and now it's like, well, Schuck can't do it. Schuck can't be, he's still got. - He was doing it without Tyson last year. - Exactly. - There is a wonderful irony, Mike, of me having, I drafted Schuck with my second to last or last pick, and you drafted Millie Willis. - Yeah, it feels, it feels. - And so we're like, these are the opposites. - Freaky Friday. - It's funny. All right, that was WaverWire presented by T-Mobile, when you're updating your roster right before kickoff, you've got coverage you can count on. Just another reason that game days are better with T-Mobile, check it out at T-Mobile.com/Membership. (upbeat music) (upbeat music) - Wednesday night break down. (upbeat music) - Wednesday night. - Have we had a Wednesday night break down, graphic before? - No. - No, 'cause we've never had this segment. - That hits pretty nicely. - I don't even remember doing that jingle. - I don't remember anything about anything. - All right, you guys ready for our match? Let's do it. New England Patriots at Seattle Seahawks. - Whoa. - Whoa, whoa, whoa. - All right. - That's so perfect. - Yeah, we got some new graphics up there. YouTube.com/theFantasyFootballers. - All right, New England goes to Seattle. Here we go. Super Bowl, rematch the 12 at home. Over under 44 and a half. Vegas is, they have the line, Seattle minus three and a half. You know, to me this one, I said this before the show. I know we were breaking it down. To me this one's screwy. like defensive battle because a lot of the times the defenses are a little bit out ahead of the offenses to start the season. I mean, I'm willing to be surprised. I think it'd be more fun if I was, but 44 and a half and not a huge over under New England. They get to try out some new receiving options for Drake May. He goes out there, 4,400 yards, amazing season. Now they got to go on the road and play Seattle. He gets to try the AJ Brown Romeo Dobbs situation out. I think this is, this is fun. I mean, Seattle, obviously 29, 13 in the Super Bowl. Drake May was under fire. This was not a good game for Drake May. 52% pressure rate in the Super Bowl. And man, you know, like any team opening the season at home is going to be, it's going to be electric, right? The crowd's going to be, but now it's Seattle. There is no louder place. Yeah. So I think the first few possessions are going to be wild. But here we go. We got Drake May, V, Sam, Darnal. We get to see Giderian price in prime time that start the season as the primary back. We get to see the true three down bell cow best back they got Ramondra Stevenson. So where do you want to start when we break this one down? I think, I think we should start with the fact that, you know, this is a team that scored 13 points against Seattle in the Super Bowl. They've got changes. They've lost Travion Henderson. You know, they won't have him going into that environment. It's going to be tough sledding, I think, for the Patriots on the road. I'm excited. I hope that, you know, I hope that the new wide receivers are what makes the difference. And instead of, you know, only being able to score 13 points against great defense, they're like, hey, we needed an AJ Brown that could go up and moss against great cornerbacks. The way that he was doing against Rick Wullen and, you know, in, you know, in inner mural, inner team scrimmages this off season. That's the one to keep an eye on for me is just how does AJ Brown look week one because it's a very, very tough matchup for him. Yeah, I agree. I mean, the expectations are, where are you super excited and where are you tempered when it comes to your start set decisions here? Man, I don't know that. I don't know that anyone in this, well, JSN, look, that, I mean, he's elite, but it's like everyone else is, I'm going to start them. If I draft a week one break, breakdowns are pretty tough because, you know, you're generally speaking, you should be playing the team that you, you drafted, you what we already kind of know who our starters are, except for maybe like a, a double flex. But these are, this is a scary matchup, especially on the Patriot side too. It's like, yeah, I mean, we don't know, you're not going to really wait and see because you didn't draft and to start. Yes. Remondra, I think you start with the understanding it's going to be volume. Yeah, it's just going to be volume. Here's, here's something that we have not talked about. You talked about, you know, Jason didn't say Bucky Irving's name too much. That's kind of a joke. Obviously, we've talked about him. This player's name has never been uttered. This player received 12 targets in the Super Bowl. This player by all, by all indications, is heavily involved in the offense. But Cooper Cup plays football for the Seattle Seahawks. Cooper Cup is a starting wide receiver for the Seattle Seahawks. Yeah. Can I say it again? 12 targets in the Super Bowl. We'll see, Rashid Shaheed has a whole off season with his team to further establish himself. That's a, that's a difference of, I'm, I'm fine, you know, keeping the eye on Cooper Cup of, of how involved he will be. I think, I think Shaheed will be more, more schemed up, more targeted at, at this point of his career. So I don't, I don't, I would have some captain lineups in like our old school like isolated DFS lineups. I'd Cooper Cup some captain lineups and just get surprised with the touchdown or two. But, yeah, I mean, getting to see the breakdown all the way across the board for Seattle's offense. Like we know what UJSN is, but how do those other guys get involved? Nourj Halani. How does Halani and Price, that breakdown happen? If you're making a decision, you've got a deeper team. You're, you're having to choose Ramondra Air Gideri and Price in week one. Do you take the rookie at home with more competition? May not have go on. We don't know. Or do you take the, the high ball, you know, Ramondra is going to catch a ton of passes. Which direction do you go there? I lean the price side. Just, I mean, these are two tough teams to run on. But last year, I mean, the sea hawks, they give up 14 points per game to the running back position. They're at home. They're favored. At least you are more confident that Ramondra will get the passing work. And we don't know yet with price. I would say it's near a coin flip. But I, you know, if you drafted price, you're probably, you drafted them ahead of Ramondra. They're at home and they're favored. So I would lean that side. Would you play price? Or would you, would you ride the March on Lloyd situation for a few weeks in Green Bay? Because I could see a lot of teams having both those guys, Lloyd going later. I'm just curious. I know we're just acclimating. Starts the decisions with their hit and hard. I have, I have price just a couple spots ahead of Lloyd. The, the Ramondra play. So we last year Seattle, allowing the highest running back target share. Like that's where it is. If you can get four or more receptions from, from Ramondra, he's going to end up being a decent start. Just so people know since the season's starting, all of our week run rankings are up on the site, the fantasy footballers.com, all of our individuals and then the consensus rankings for week one with player projected points. Right now, where do we have those guys right now? We have Ramondra as a consensus. We have Ramondra two spots ahead of Jadarian price, just for the context on there for player projections for the week. Hunter Henry dominates him week one, right? Isn't that what we're supposed to expect? He often does. We're ever going to talk about it. First couple weeks of the season. And, and that is, you know, if you look across the board at how the Seahawks played defense last year, they shut down the running backs, shut down the wide receivers. They were average against tight end. So maybe that's a place that they'll have to go with their corners, locking down AJ Brown and Romeo Dubs. Yeah, there are some of the top tier quarterbacks have like pretty tough week one match. Josh Allen going on the road against Houston week one, Drake May going on the road against Seattle and week one. I would not, again, this is your reminder that we'll repeat and ignore probably don't over react to week one. It's a long season. Sometimes you see disasters. It's very possible. Drake May in this office doesn't look what they're going to look like adding these new pass catchers. So, there you go. You guys have any other thoughts on the on the breakdown? No, I mean, go George. Go George. So now you're, you're fully rooting for George Alani. Fantastic. But Jay, we were like, I know we've been more anti price. Yeah. And so that we we need it makes sense. It's just funny. Yeah, like if you're anti price to just say that you love the other guy no matter what. Yeah. Okay. Has somebody that has hated other players. I agree. That is how it works. You think I like Ramondra for real? I don't want to like Ramondra. All right. Why don't we do a, why don't we do a little male bag? Give the people a little extra today. And man, football tomorrow. Male bag. Presented by Paramount Plus. Guys. Guys. Yes. Yes. Do you realize we're in it? Listen to this. Listen to this question. It's the most perfect. We're in it. Oh, no. Chris and Michigan. Chris. Oh, no, Chris. Chris, I'm praying for you. I believe Malik Willis outscore's Josh Allen and weak one. Should I make the switch? No, no, I wouldn't do that. No, not, not Josh Allen can't figure it out. Well, let me say this last year in week 12, we saw Josh Allen on the road in Houston. He scored eight fantasy points. Uh, so he's going to need to figure it out more than he did last year in this opportunity. Sorry, your prob Malik. No, I mean, I would still, I would still start Josh Allen. We've seen him in plenty of tough matchups where he overcomes. Um, I can't fathom that, you know, he's incapable of outscoring Malik Willis. I mean, any week players can, you know, Malik Willis could outscore Josh Allen, but probabilities are rankings. How we would start players. You, you, you put Josh on in there. And you want to have a wild week one. Sure. There are definitely situations where it's like guys drafted to start. I wouldn't mind playing like Malik Willis. But not Josh Allen, but I'm saying week one, we have Mahomes versus Bonyx. Like you said, you got bow against the chief's defense and Mahomes off of his reconstructed knee against the Denver defense. Yep. I would, I'd be very open to play Malik Willis over those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, there was a clarity question coming in from Instagram. What is a onesie? I hear you say it all the time. I don't know what it means. Sure. Uh, uh, it onesie is where in a standard fantasy football league, there is just one of those players, uh, in your starting line. So as in one quarterback, one tight end. So we'll say stuff like, Hey, I'm going to take another running back here versus going to a onesie position because you're only required to play the one and then running back some wide receivers. You have to play multiples. There you go. Should, uh, Greg wants to know, California should trade deals and DMs be talked about in the public chat? - No, what? - What do you mean? Should trade deals? - I, maybe the inner workings of DMs, is it faux pas to like talk about those in the public chat? You know, is that maybe what the question is? - Oh, yeah, like reveal. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I, this is, this is, if that's what it is, like if you're talking of me and Mike are discussing a trade and then I go air the laundry, right? Like I go put his comments or something in the main chat to try to leverage, like, leverage for another offer from somebody or like. - If it's trying to leverage, I feel like that's pretty bush-league. If it's making fun of someone, I don't know, that's pretty fun. - I mean, this guy offered eyes your future, it'll jeopardize your future deals. - Gonna say, you'll have leverage once. - Yeah, and then no one's gonna do that. - And it will, it won't just be the other person that you exposed to, you made mad. Like the rest of the league is gonna see that you're out there sharing people's private messages. Be careful, but sometimes it's funny. - PJ writes in, "Who's your go-to later round? I are a stash player on Draft Day. I was hoping last night it would be Jordan Tyson." - Yeah, everyone wanted Jordan Tyson. That's the great one. That is the obvious one. The terrible disgusting one that I also wanted was Isaiah Pacheco. - I know, I sold you, it's disgusting. I'm sucking last round, like when you've gotten no one left, and you just want to basically get a free player. - Would you show you'd rather do that with Pacheco over like Charbonne? - No, no, but Charbonne is not there at your last round. I'm saying like the very last round, the guy that is always available, as opposed to, so for instance for me, I drafted Terrance Ferguson with my last pick. My plan was to just draft Isaiah Pacheco with the last pick, and then this morning, put him on IR and pick up Terrance Ferguson. Disgusting, awful, unnecessary, but it's just a free card. No, I would much rather have Charbonne, obviously Jordan Tyson is the king, is the hero that we all want. In, for us it was, I think I was hoping to get him at the 607, which would be like ninth round. He went a little earlier, so eight or ninth round. - That was the seventh and early. That was the mailback presented by Paramount Plus. Paramount Plus is the streaming home to the NFL and CBS all season long, CU, Sunday, CU, Wednesday, CU, Thursday, CU, every day. See you tomorrow. - ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ - ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ - ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ - ♪ See you tomorrow ♪ - We got Super Bowl picks tomorrow, on the show. - Mm-hmm. - So, I just got to figure out whether I should do it. - Let's go figure out who's gonna win. - We on my dolphins pick today or tomorrow, I don't know. You guys don't like the dolphins for the Super Bowl? - You're gonna get some great odds on that. - $1. - It probably won't be the dolphin. - You'll be a millionaire. - We'll have to preview the Thursday night game tomorrow. And then that'll be fun, too, because football is here. - It's football time. - All right, we'll catch you tomorrow. - Goodbye. (upbeat music) - Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on Twitter @theffballers.