Under Construction (PODCAST EXCLUSIVE EPISODE)

On an afternoon in the spring of 1999, a woman walked to her bedroom closet and opened the door with a shaking hand. She just got in a very disturbing phone call from someone who begged her to go into this closet and find two very specific objects and get rid of them. But now as this woman stared at these objects that were inside the closet, she knew she couldn't do that. Instead, she shut the door and she called the police. But before we get into today's story, if you're a fan of the strange dark and mysterious delivered in story format, then you've come to the right place because that's all we do. So if that's of interest to you, please invite the follow button to go with you to a live boxing event. Just don't tell them you've signed them up to be the warm-up punching bag. Okay, let's get into today's story. (music) On the evening of Saturday, May 29, 1999, 66-year-old Angela Spent Shaw pulled into the long drive way the led up to her house in the small seaside town of Little Compton, Rhode Island. She had just had dinner with her son Gerard and his family, who lived about 30 minutes away. Angela made the drive to her son's house at least once a week to babysitter grandkids. She loved the fact that her son and his wife and their kids lived so close by, really because the rest of her family was pretty scattered. Her other son Justin, he lived in Washington, DC, and her extended family was all in Europe, in England, where Angela was born and raised. Angela had lived here in Little Compton for 20 years now, and unfortunately for the last eight of those years, she had lived alone. Because her husband had passed away. But Angela still had Gerard and his family, and a lot of supportive friends in the community, and so she didn't feel totally isolated. Angela was also just really involved in this town. She rode horses at the local stables, and she was a member of the Garden Club, and she also worked part-time at a local greenhouse. Angela loved horticulture so much that about two months ago, she'd started renovations on her home, specifically to add this wrap around sunroom, where she could grow plants, and also give her beloved grandkids some space to play and run around. However, the construction process, which was very much currently underway, was really starting to wear on Angela. Because it was loud and dusty, and there were always people coming in and out all day long, making this wrap around sunroom. And so she really couldn't wait for it to be done, so she could just go back to having her privacy again. But as Angela walked her way from the driveway up to her house, she knew that her house today was going to be very quiet. Because it was the weekend, which meant no construction, no construction crew. She had the place to herself, and she was very excited about that. So Angela went inside of her very modest, grey, two-story home, and once inside, she went upstairs to the second floor, and she washed up and got ready for bed. Because she had an early shift the next day at the garden store, and she wanted to be well-rested, and so, you know, before long, pretty much within about 30 minutes of being home, she was in bed going to sleep. Around 10/30 the next morning, Angela's best friend, a woman named Sally Craig, was at her home in Little Compton drinking her morning coffee when her phone rang. She picked it up, and the person on the other end explained that they were one of Angela's co-workers at the greenhouse, and they were calling to see if maybe Sally knew where Angela was. Because she was now about an hour and a half late to work, and nobody could reach her on her phone. Sally said no, and said that she hadn't seen or spoken to Angela at all that morning. But she offered to just drive over to Angela's house, and just check on her right now, just to, you know, make sure she was okay. Because Sally would say to this co-worker, it was really odd for Angela to forget a shift at work. That was like totally out of character, and the co-worker agreed. So she hung up the phone, and right away, Sally went out to her car, and she drove right over to Angela's house. And when she pulled into the driveway, she immediately noticed something kind of strange. There was a trickle of water that was running down the driveway, but they hadn't gotten any rain recently. And so Sally, she parked her car, she got out, and she walked up to the front door, and she knocked, but there was no answer. So after a moment, she tried the handle, and she found the door was unlocked. And so because this is her close friend, she just turned the door handle, and she pushed it open, and then Sally stepped inside the house. And as soon as she did, you know, she didn't see anything out of the ordinary, but she began calling out for Angela, and there was no response. However, as she was standing there in the front entryway, listening for, you know, some sign of Angela in the house somewhere, she did begin to hear a sound that stood out. It was like a worrying sound, like a small motor was running from somewhere upstairs. And so Sally, she didn't really know what to think of the sound of this scene in general, but she was really starting to feel a little bit apprehensive, but wanting to make sure her friend was okay, she decided she would go investigate. And so she began to climb the stairs to the second floor, and as she did, the sound that worrying sound got louder and louder, and she tracked that sound to the bathroom. And so eventually Sally turned, and she looked inside the bathroom where this noise was coming from. And when she saw what was in there, she screamed. Later that morning, Lieutenant Stephen Lynch of the Rhode Island State Police parked his car in the driveway of a grey two-story house in Little Compton. Lynch got out, and greeted a few of the other state police officers who had beaten him to the scene, including Detective Sergeant Stephen Bannon. And Bannon, as soon as he saw Lynch, he began filling a man right away. He told him that a woman had been found dead in the upstairs bathroom of this home, and even though they had not positively identified the body yet, they thought it was probably the homeowner, 66-year-old Angela Spence Shaw. And Lynch, when he heard this, he definitely took notice of the fact that Bannon had just said "probably her", you know, which was not that odd. It isn't like you walk into a scene and instantly know exactly who somebody is, like that's not typical. But, you know, if you're looking at someone's body, and you know that the homeowner is so-and-so, you can kind of just compare the picture and the body, and usually be pretty certain it's either them or it's not. And so this was the first moment that Lynch began to sense that there was more to this crime scene than he was aware of, that there was going to be special circumstances here. And so Bannon led Lynch towards the front door of the home, and as they went inside, Lynch quickly examined the door, and he didn't see any signs of forced entry. Bannon then turned to Lynch and explained to him that the door had actually been unlocked when responding officers first arrived. Then, once inside the home, Lynch took a second and looked around the first floor, and nothing looked unusual. The rooms were all tidy, and the windows were all intact. But then, he followed Bannon upstairs, and they went inside the master bedroom, and as soon as he stepped inside, Lynch was met with just an incredible amount of blood. There was bloodstaining the carpet and the baseboards around the bed, and there was also a bloodstained pillow and pillowcase that was lying next to the bed, which had been stripped of all of its sheets. And so Lynch, he followed the bloodstains on the carpet, which led him into the attached bathroom, where a medical examiner was standing over a woman's body, which was lying on the floor next to the bathtub. And pretty much immediately, Lynch understood why Bannon had said it probably was the homeowner, because as Lynch is looking at this woman, who all she had on was just a night sure, he could see her face, and what he could see of her body were just extremely badly beaten. I mean, she was basically unrecognizable. And so as Lynch is taking in this horrible scene, Bannon explained to him that that morning, one of the homeowner's friends, a woman named Sally, had come here looking for Angela, and she had ultimately found the body and called it in. Bannon also said that when the body was first discovered, it had actually been in the tub, which was full of water, and the faucet had still been running. So the water had leaked sort of down through the floorboards, and that's why there was water leaking out on the driveway. But of course, the forensics team, when they got in here, they shut off the water, and taken her body out of the water out of the tub, and put her on the ground so they could begin to do their investigation. Angela's friend Sally had also found a hairdryer in the bathtub alongside the body, making a loud, worrying noise. It was actually what led her upstairs to this room, was the sound of this hairdryer. So basically, on top of all her other injuries, the victim had been electrocuted. And this really struck Lynch as a strange detail, because typically, finding a hairdryer in the bathtub, like filled up with water, either meant an accident, or a suicide. But based on the amount of blood found in the connected bedroom, and the fact that the bedlinens had all been stripped off the mattress and taken away, and just the absolutely savage injuries all over Angela's face and body, I mean, there was no way she could have done all that to herself. It felt like the electrocution was on top of the beating she got. On the afternoon of Sunday, May 30, 1999, hours after the woman's body was discovered in the bathtub, Lieutenant Stephen Lynch of the Rhode Island State Police was in a squad car, on his way to question the first time. suspect in his murder investigation. So, the woman's body had been removed from the home and taken to the medical examiner's office who was able to confirm that it did belong to the homeowner, Angela Spence Shaw. The examiner had also let Lynch know that during this examination, they had recovered Semen, which meant Angela, in addition to having been beaten and electrocuted, had also been sexually assaulted. So now, Lynch was struggling to identify a motive. He'd ruled out the possibility of a robbery gun wrong because the crime scene tax had already found jewelry and a wallet with $500 in cash just sitting on top of the dresser in Angela's bedroom. So, if the killer had been there to steal valuables, they obviously would have taken at least one of those items. And through his experience, Lynch knew that in crimes that were this violent, the killer was almost always someone who knew the victim and was driven to do whatever they did by hatred or some kind of personal grudge, except nobody hated Angela. Lynch and his detectives had already spoken to her sons and some of her neighbors and co-workers, and really by all accounts, Angela was like this lovely doding grandmother. She certainly did not seem to have any obvious enemies, and she always said that she felt very safe in her house, according to her friends and family, even though she lived alone. So, Lynch figured that if Angela's attacker didn't have a grudge against her specifically, like this was not personal, if that was the case, then probably whoever did this likely already had a history of violent assault or violence against women, or maybe both. And so, Lynch had asked the local cops if anybody living in or around the little Compton matched that profile. But, Lynch was not holding out much hope, because little Compton was a really quiet town with a reputation for being extremely safe. So, Lynch had been very surprised when these local cops immediately came up with not one, but two names of folks that matched the profile. The first was Stanley Gendro, who literally was a murderer. He had committed the last murder to take place in the little Compton 34 years earlier. Stanley had stalked this local girl and then killed her by beating her head in with a rock. The officers explained that Stanley had been paroled back in 1980, so almost 20 years ago. And nobody knew for sure if Stanley was even still living in the area, but it just so happened that Stanley's parents lived practically across the street from Angela. And so, as soon as he had heard this, Lynch sent officers to go talk to Stanley Gendro's parents and see if they knew where their son was. And so, while they were off investigating Stanley, Lynch had decided to turn his attention to the other person of interest, the officers had brought up, the other one who who fit the profile, so to speak. His name was Ben Ferro, and he was a local sex offender with a history of violence. And since Ben was on the sex offender registry, Lynch knew exactly where to find him. So now, Lynch turned his car down a quiet street in little Compton, and he pulled up to what looked like a nice family home, and he made his way up to the front door. A moment later, a man answered, and when this man saw Detective Lynch, he visibly stiffened and suddenly looked really on edge, like he was very uncomfortable. Lynch asked him if his name was Ben Ferro, and instead of answering right away, this man sort of leaned forward and glanced up and down the street, like he was checking to see if any of his neighbors were watching, and then he looked at Lynch and sort of sheepishly said that yes, he was Ben. Now, Lynch obviously could tell that Ben was acting pretty cagey, but there could be a million reasons for that. You know, it was easy to jump to conclusions, and for now, Lynch just kind of kept that opinion to himself. And instead, he just told Ben why he was there. He told Ben about the murder. The murder of Angela spent Shaw, and he began trying to tell him about what had happened, and why he was here, and really before he could even get into it, Ben just cut Lynch off, and told him that he didn't kill anyone, and he didn't even know Angela, and also his wife was on her way home, and he really didn't want to worry. Like the last thing he needed was for her to come home, and see the cops at the door, because then she'd think that he was caught up in criminal activity, and he said he wasn't, for sure, he was not. At this point, Lynch could tell this guy was like totally panicking here, and he was so suspicious that he just said, you know what, Ben, I want you to come to the police station and give a blood sample. And Ben sort of surprisingly began nodding eagerly and said he would do whatever the police wanted, he would give them whatever they wanted, so long as Lynch left right now. A little while later, Lynch escorted Ben into the police station, and sent him off with some uniform police officers to have his blood drawn. Lynch noticed that Ben seemed really cooperative, and frankly eager to help, which actually was not a great sign for his case. People who were guilty of a serious crime were not typically so happy to hand over evidence, so at this point, Lynch was not holding out a lot of hope for a DNA match with the blood found at the crime scene. And so Lynch made his way over to his desk while, you know, Ben got his blood drawn, and then as soon as Lynch sat down, one of the officers who had gone over to Stanley Gendro's parents' house came rushing over with an update. The officer told Lynch that Stanley's parents had answered the door, but they didn't know where their son was, and more than that, they said that actually their son had been in town shortly before Angela was murdered, but then he had disappeared, and his parents had not heard from him since. Later that night, the tenant Lynch returned to Angela's house. He pulled into the driveway, parked a squad car, and he got out, and he saw there were some other uniformed officers still out front of the house, securing the crime scene, but Lynch actually wanted to take a look at the back of the house, because now he was thinking about this murder differently. When Lynch had first seen Angela's body, he thought her killing was a crime of passion, committed by somebody who knew her personally. Not only would that explain, you know, the level of violence inflicted on her, but more than that, it would have explained why there were no signs of forced entry anywhere in her house, because presumably she would have let this person in if there was a relationship. But now that Ben Ferro and Stanley Gendro were his top suspects, Lynch wanted to figure out how someone like them, who presumably didn't know Angela at all, might have entered her home. Now, of course, it was possible that whoever did this, whether it was Ben or Stanley or somebody else, they could have just walked through the front door, like after Angela had gone to bed. I mean, the responding officers had told Lynch that the front door was open when they got there, and Sally, who had initially found the body, she said the front door was open, and they had spoken to some of Angela's family and friends, and they actually said that, you know, Angela would periodically leave her front door open. That was not totally out of the ordinary. But if we assume this is a stranger who did this, they wouldn't have known that. They wouldn't have known that that was something Angela did sometimes. In fact, more likely, if they were, you know, targeting this older woman, maybe not knowing her personally, they would see that she's living alone, and it's night time, like very likely she is locking her doors and windows at night. And so why would they even try the front door? I mean, run the risk of being seen trying to open somebody's door. I mean, somebody in the neighborhood might see you. And so Lynch is thinking, if it's a true stranger who did this, they likely found another way in. They broke into the house, some other way other than the front door. So Lynch made his way to the back of the property to look for a way in. And he saw there was this brand new piece of construction, like a renovation. It was this sunroom that had been added onto her house. And clearly it was still under construction, but it was obviously close to being done. However, a few of the windows of this this new sunroom were still just empty frames. They didn't have any glass in them. So Lynch literally pulled himself up and climbed through one of these empty window frames and he found himself standing inside of this unfinished sunroom. And there he pulled out his flashlight and began taking a look around. Now all he saw for the most part was just like piles of wood and construction debris. Nothing really that immediately jumped out at him. But he did notice that part of the back wall was covered by this plastic tarp. So Lynch walked over to the tarp and he pulled it aside and he saw just an empty door frame. And it led directly into Angela's house. It was like somebody had cut a doorway into her home, but had not fit it with the door yet. It was just like a gap on the wall of her house. You could walk right inside. Which meant Angela's house was basically completely accessible to anybody who knew where to look. Which theoretically, you know, Lynch's thinking could be Stanley Gendro. His parents lived across the street from this house. It is entirely possible that Stanley could have watched this construction unfold and maybe peeked in and saw that there was an easy way in. And considering Stanley was a literal murderer with a penchant for violence against women, it seemed like this was pretty compelling. But in addition to, you know, Stanley potentially having seen this this back door to the house, Lynch knew that the other group of people who actually definitely knew about this unfinished door was the entire construction crew doing the construction. They put the tarp up. They're the ones who specifically knew this is not finished. The next morning on Monday, May 31st, 1999. So two days after Angela spent Shaw's body was found inside of her bathtub. Lieutenant Stephen Lynch parked a squad car in front of the house of Craig Reacher, who was one of the 23 construction workers who had done work on Angela's house. Craig was actually one of the men who had specifically worked on the open doorway that connected the sunroom to the main house. Now by this point, Forensics had actually found some distinctive shoe prints nearby on the property that they suspected might belong to the killer. So Lynch had sent some of his other investigators to question the other construction workers, but Lynch specifically wanted to question Craig himself, given the fact that he knew about the store for sure. And so now, Lynch walked up to Craig's front door and he knocked. And then a moment later, when Craig answered, Lynch identified himself and said that he had some questions about someone Craig had worked for recently. Angela spent Shaw, who had recently been found murdered. Craig's eyes immediately went wide and then he just seemed really confused to hear that there had been a murder at his job site. He said he had no idea, because, you know, he and his crew, they hadn't been at Angela's house since Friday, since it was a three day weekend from Memorial Day. But after this initial, seemingly shocking conversation, Craig quickly invited Lynch inside his home and they went into his kitchen and they sat down to talk further. Once they were sitting down, Lynch asked Craig what he had been up to on the night of the murder, which was Saturday the 29th. And Craig said he had been here, you know, all night at home with his girlfriend. Lynch asked him if at some point that night, had he made any phone calls or done anything that could have provided a timestamped alibi, but Craig said he couldn't think of anything. So Lynch handed Craig a notebook and a pen and he asked him to write down his girlfriend's name and her phone number so Lynch could follow up with her about Craig's alibi. And as Craig wrote down this information, Lynch looked at Craig's hands to see if there were any cuts or bruises that might suggest he had recently attacked Angela. But there was nothing. After Craig finished writing down his information, he slid the notebook back across the table and Lynch picked it up and he put it in his pocket and then he got up to leave. And as he was leaving, he thought to himself that, you know, of course he's going to check him with a girlfriend and she'll say whatever she says, but Lynch knew in his experience that romantic partners, like this girlfriend, they sometimes lie to protect their loved ones. So even if this girlfriend confirmed this alibi of Craig's, Craig Reacher was definitely still a suspect. When Lynch got back to the station, he was relieved to see Detective Sergeant Steven Bannon waiting at his desk. He was one of the officers who had gone to interview another construction worker who would help cut that doorway. That worker's name was Jeremy Motika and as Lynch walked over to Bannon, Bannon gave him the full download of his conversation with Jeremy. Jeremy said on the night of the murder, so Saturday, May 29th, he had been home in the early evening by himself and then sometime around 9 p.m., he'd gone to a neighbor's house to have a few drinks. He'd got back home around midnight and he'd called his friend and talked on the phone for a while until he eventually fell asleep. And then he said the next morning when he woke up, he drove straight to Cape Cod, which was about an hour and a half drive from his home to then spend the whole day with his girlfriend in Cape Cod with her and her family. Bannon told Lynch that he had followed up with Jeremy's neighbor as well as his girlfriend and they had backed up Jeremy's story for the times that he was with those people. But Bannon said, you know, we don't know what he was doing between end of drinks with neighbor and the next morning when he arrived in Cape Cod. But Bannon said for what it's worth, Jeremy's a young kid who seemed pretty eager to help and did not seem particularly suspicious, but looks can be deceiving. Lynch thanked Bannon for the update and then he sat down at his desk to update his case notes about the first two construction workers interviewed. Now, of course, they were going to interview all of the construction workers who knew about this back door to Angela's house, but, you know, Lynch is thinking to himself, I really just want to talk to Stanley Gendrill. The literal murderer who likely knew about this entrance, who has disappeared. But his team was looking for Stanley and so far they hadn't found him yet and so for tonight anyways, it was just going to be, you know, continuing to focus on these construction workers. But just a couple of days later, in the first week of June, Lynch walked into an interrogation room at the police station and finally found himself face to face with Stanley Gendrill. So Lynch, in addition to having his team continuing to press the construction worker angle, he had also expanded the hunt for Stanley Gendrill by bringing in detectives from the violent fugitives unit and that unit was eventually able to track Stanley down and bring him in for questioning. And, on this particular day, Lynch was feeling especially relieved because on this day, he and his team had wrapped up speaking to all 23 of those construction workers and most of them had really strong alibis. And also so far, they had not been able to match the unique shoe prints that have been found outside of Angela's home to any of the suspects to any of these construction workers. And so now, Lynch took a seat across the table from Stanley and right away he noticed that Stanley seemed really calm. In fact, he was leaning back in his chair with his legs crossed out in front of him like he really wasn't nervous at all. Lynch began by asking Stanley where he had been on the night of Angela's murder. And Stanley, who maintained this very calm affect, he just shrugged and said, "I was at my apartment reading a book." Now Lynch followed up with lots of questions, like trying to poke holes in his story. But Stanley, he never seemed rattled and he just continued to sit there very calmly and he kept answering the questions he was being asked. But at some point, he just told Lynch, "Hey, I learned my lesson in prison. I didn't do this. I had nothing to do with this." And so Lynch, you know, he's hearing what he's saying, but obviously he can say whatever he wants. It doesn't mean he did or didn't do it. And so instead, you know, Lynch responded by being like, "Okay, give us a blood sample and take a polygraph. Show us. You didn't do this." And Stanley said, "Sure." And so Lynch, he was sort of surprised by this answer. I mean, he really was not expecting this level of cooperation. But he said, "All right. Sit tight. We'll get the blood draw in the polygraph setup." And so Lynch, he gets up and he leaves the interrogation room and he goes back to his desk to order these tests. And as he was doing that, his phone rang. He answered the phone and it was the front desk sergeant who said there was somebody here who really needed to speak to him. It was someone Lynch had actually already spoken to about this case, but this person was here because now they wanted to change their story. Based on witness testimony and forensic evidence, here is a reconstruction of what police believe happened to Angela Spence Shaw in the early morning hours of Sunday, May 30, 1999. In the early morning dark, he killers slowly approached the back of Angela's house. Once they reached it, they climbed through one of those empty window frames into the partially completed sunroom. Then they walked over and pulled the tarp aside and walked through that open door frame inside of Angela's home. Inside, it was quiet and dark, Angela was not on the first floor and so the killer slowly made their way to the stairs and they walked up to the second floor. And when they got up there, they made their way into the bedroom where they found Angela asleep in her bed. And when the killer saw her lying there helpless, you know, unaware, something inside of them just snapped. As the killer, they walked over to the bed and then they leapt onto the bed. On to Angela and just began attacking her, beating her, throttling her. She woke up immediately. She's screaming and trying to fight back, but the killer easily overpowered her and held her down and basically just savagely beat her until she stopped moving. And then when she was effectively dead or very near death, they sexually assaulted her. And at the end of the assault, she was dead. And at this point, the killer is now seeing what they've done and they decided that what they need to do now is try to disguise this cold-blooded murder for like an accident. They need to stage this to look like she did this to herself even though Angela's body has obviously been badly beaten and she's covered in blood, something she could not really have done to herself. So the killer dragged her lifeless body off the bed and over to the bathroom and placed her in the bathtub and then turned on the water. And the killer found a hair dryer, turned it on, and dropped it into the tub as well. After that, the killer walked back into the bedroom and stripped the bed of the sheets and basically took the sheets with them even though they're still blood all over the carpet and all over the baseboards, but they felt like this was something worth taking. And then with these sheets, the killer went back downstairs and then exited out the same way they came in through that window frame that led into the sunroom. And then once outside, the killer went back home and then several hours later, basically later that morning because this attack took place in the early morning hours, the killer hopped in their car and then drove to their girlfriend's parents house out in Cape Cod. The killer was Jeremy Motika, one of the construction workers who literally knew about this open door that led into Angela's house. What ultimately got Jeremy Cod was the fact that a few days after the murder, he had asked his girlfriend, whose name was Patricia, to do something really unusual. He wanted Patricia to take a pair of his workshoes from their house in Fall River, Massachusetts and drive them out to Cape Cod, and store them at her parents' house. Patricia had already told police that Jeremy seemed very hungover when she saw him in Cape Cod at her family's house. But now she was starting to wonder was Jeremy really hungover? Or was he just like physically sick with guilt because he had just killed someone? Now initially Patricia did bring Jeremy shoes to Cape Cod like he had asked, but her suspicions soon began to boil over. And eventually she decided to go take the shoes and police and tell them what she thought, which is I think there's something going on with Jeremy. It turned out Jeremy had actually seen police taking impressions of shoe prints on the property. And so proactively he was trying to hide evidence, his own shoes. Though ironically those shoe prints the police took were not a match to Jeremy's. They were a match to someone else. But it was because he tried to get rid of the evidence that he made his girlfriend so suspicious that she turned him in. But what really did Jeremy in was actually the blood sample that he so freely gave when asked to give a blood sample he was like no problem. His DNA completely matched the DNA and the semen that was recovered from Angela's body. And so Jeremy Matika was convicted of first degree murder and first degree sexual assault and he was sentenced to life without parole. A quick note about our stories, they are all based on true events. But we sometimes use pseudonyms to protect the people involved and some details are fictionalized for dramatic purposes. The Mr. Ballin podcast, "Strange Dark and Mysterious Stories" is hosted and executive produced by me, Mr. Ballin. Our head of writing is Evan Allen, produced by Jeremy Bone and Cole Acasio. This episode was written by Margaret LeBron, story editing by Luke Barats. "Research and Fact Checking" by Shelley Shoe, Samantha Van Hoos, Evan Beamer, Abigail Shumway, Camille Callahan, Alex Paul, Ben Fasiano. 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