UL #82 Glen Fucik - The Sneaker Ref

Hey, this is Mike Ferrer and you're listening to the unofficial lounge. This is Steve Stanley of the BFCS West U.S.F.L. football, you're listening to the unofficial lounge. The unofficial lounge with the Shante, Craybond, and Montenegro. We're here to give you the insight into some of the biggest plays you remember, involving the people wearing the stripes. We look at the grid, it takes to become unofficial, while exploring the history of officiate with the people who make it. It's more than black and white. All right, it's recording on both sides. All right, everybody, welcome back to the unofficial lounge. We are joined today by a very special guest. This man is like me, a trailblazer when it comes to all these different spring leaves. And right now, he's still in the middle of one of them. But the good thing is, we're able to get to the finish line of these spring leaves now, which is very nice. Been a crewmate of mine, twice now I think in spring, been a lot of fun, and the shoe game is pretty nice. I have to say. And please welcome to the show SEC Deep Officiate, Glenn Future. That's the first name I'm going to mess up on a while. Glenn, my bad, but you know, we leave this as part of the show because they like my mistake, so it's been a while. I don't know. I like your mistakes. We just laugh and I'm going to listen to it. I was like having a baby, don't you? You're not the only one to mess up my name, you know, so I mean, I don't know why it's kind of common. You know, it's like a Smith Jones, no, when you look at it. So how do you how do you spell it? So it's spelled F you see, I can't so fuck it a few times. That's what I say. Now Glenn, before we jump into something now, I know you are a school teacher, right? So how does the kids deal with this every year? Hey, so I'm going to I'm going to go on better with you. Not only am I a school teacher, but my wife is a school teacher. So we deal with Mr. All round. Yeah. Y'all were at the same school are different, no, no, we're different schools. Okay. We are both gym teachers and coaches. So our kids grow up in a gym and you know, like deal with kids, they look pretty good. I mean, I know behind my back, they're going to talk and say stuff, but for me, it's, it is what it is. A lot of times I just lay it on the lines like, hey, man, you got your name, I got mine. It's my family heritage. You don't want to mess. You know, I respect your family heritage, respect mine. So it is a, it comes from a Slovakia, Czechoslovakia, it's technically pronounced fooshek. Fooshek. Fooshek. But it kind of, a lot of people don't get that. So few six just kind of how it's been kind of Americanized over time. So there you go. Yeah. We go with fooshek. Houston right on right on and now, you know, I can't miss the opportunity because if we're listening to the show right now, something may change, but we're missing the angry man. So if you guys hear me talking about him, I didn't send the search party out for him. I didn't told just man all the time. I need to put it like a home, you know, sorry, I fallen, I can't get up button on him one day because we're going to have to just sneak into his house or something. But hopefully he's able to hop on the show. But trust me, I will let the crowd know that he's not here and talk about him badly. Absolutely. I'm dying. So Glenn, we ask everybody how did you get started in officiating? You know, that's a great one. So I've been, I guess, associating on football, probably what, 40, 40 two years of my life now. I mean, born in raised in Houston, you didn't have a choice, right, Texas is football at birth. Yeah. In Houston, you know, playing since I was about four or five years old, flag football, going up through the, you know, the youth leagues, middle school, high school, playing a little college. And you know, when I was doing a middle school football, playing, my dad started officiating. And for him, it was a way to make some extra money. And he actually used that money to put me through private high school. And so I was so appreciative of that, you know, as I figured out every year what he was using the money for, you know, it's coming through private high school, I went to a Jesuit high school here in Houston. And so when I got done playing, it was just kind of natural. My dad was like, hey, you know, why don't you officiate, stay in the game. It's absolutely so I was, I played for two and a half years to make, make me state and Lake Charles Louisiana kind of got banged up a little bit and transferred over to San Houston state where I just decided to be a student. And so I was doing an intermil flag football, we're done, I was on the competitive team traveling to the country with them. And if you're playing, you might as well officiate it so you make some money while you're in college. Right. Right. Okay. So I graduated college. And so when I had, as soon as I graduated, I got my, took my test or whatever for regular love man football and really started doing it that way. But I remember, let's talk about them playing digs real quick. What position did you play? I'm a quarterback. Oh, okay. Okay. There we go. So how'd you get banged up playing quarterback? I mean, I guess you did play the day that you could get hit. Right. Different days back then. Hey. So, no, an interesting story. The knees kind of took a little, little banged up, but I was, when I graduated high school, and you know me, Craig Rana, right now I am a six to two, two, five. I'm going to say, I'm going to say a solid two, five right now. Right. Right. That's one less donut, right. When I graduated high school, I was a five, ten and in the one, forty to one, fifty range. And not a, not a very big ball player. So anytime I took hits, those big guys, you know, and the next level, it hurt. Got you. And so, but I think bro, to like my junior senior year of college, after I stopped playing. After I stopped playing, yeah, after I stopped playing. So most of those, you know, that first year, I was on the scout team, I was very sure to do it. And, and I was on the scout team, I got banged up big time there because those guys just like taking hits on you. Right. So you're not playing and they're going to take the hits on you. No, no red jersey on the scout team. No red jersey. They want you to get the look, right? Right. Right. You know, every time I look at the other team, scouting poor, like, damn, the triple option again. You know, you know, you know, get that Dn and all that stuff and they like taking that free shot on you. So that was before, you know, the targeting days and those cheap shots, they just like taking it. So, yeah, I kind of got banged up a little bit and took a toll, took a toll on, you know, the mindset there. Right. Going and just being a student there for a while was good. Gotcha. Now, that was the reason of going and leaving McNeese coming back closer to home to go to Sam Houston. Yeah. You know, I love McNeese and the football program there. When I was there, we were right at one time, number one in the country. You know, FCS level one double eighth time. We were always going in the playoffs and got a conference championship ring for getting beat up on the scout team. You know, football was good. It's like a little LSU, I mean, they show up on Friday night. They start tailking. They feel they've packed the stands there. It's a great place, great environment, but I just didn't, I didn't like the classroom. I didn't like the college environment there and stuff when there. So, I was majoring in criminal justice at the time and Sam Houston's one of the top programs in the country. So, it's close to the home in the switchover. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, you come back home, you start officiating, I mean, it's Texas, you're in Houston. Yeah. How long did it take you to get on a crew? I mean, because that's the big thing, right, the high school ball, you got to get on a crew, you got to get out there with the, you know, the alley kettys and then all them of the worlds. Oh, yeah. You know, so back when I started, you know, I did have to help my dad, right? He's been in for a while. So, that always helps to have that name recognition. We still know it today, right? It's still good. Right. Especially when it's future. That's right. And so, yeah, I started officiating. I mean, you know, I think he wanted you to give him a clap for saying it right? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I tried not to say the other words, but we didn't have to beep it again. No. You know, it's every about about two, two years, I worked a lot of, you know, sub varsity, Peewees and junior high and, you know, freshman, J.V. Monday, Tuesday, football. Now look, you mentioned this as Texas. Right. And I'm gonna talk about, I'll talk about it. I was, I was known as a football hustler. Right. All right. To the guys around and to my family, my wife, especially, she's a football widow. My wife's a football widow. God bless her. She is awesome. But she loves the game. She loves the game. She loves to watch me officiate and critique me. She especially loves watching our son play. And that's the big one right now. So, but yeah, I mean, I hustle, you know, Texas, we go out and I'm telling you, there was times and there was seasons where I worked 140 to 160 games in a season. Really? Screases. And that's, and that's all, well, like, in school, right? That's not, is that you two or is that just seventh, eighth grade high school? So I'll, I'll tell you, I'll give you an example of where my weekly looks like sometimes. So we'll start Monday. We'll go do, like, middle school when we'll have three games in AD and C game, Tuesday, same thing, middle school, AD and C game, Wednesday, probably it's like some peeweens, you know, some peeweens on Wednesday night, two games. Thursday, we would go out of town, you know, we drive out of town because we go some of the small towns around here and you can get three games. You can get a middle school, seventh grade, middle school, eighth grade, and then a junior varsity high school game and be back before, you know, some of the high school, the high school sub varsities were done. Friday night work of varsity game, Saturday, get up early in the morning, go work five peewee games, and then drive and do a, mostly we did women's professional football or sometimes some semi-pro. So like six games on a Saturday and Sunday was their rest, go to church and rest up for the week. And that was, that was on a regular basis. Okay, so how many years did you put that grind in of doing, you know, that many where you were working hundred plus ball games? So like after my first two years, I wasn't grinding that much, but my first two years and I got my break and I got to do a couple varsity games with a crew here in their fill in. It was about my third year that I got on a crew and we, we got, oh, I think like a seven, eight game varsity schedule, which, you know, it taxes its crews, it's not, you don't get scheduled, you get the, the, the, for coaches pick the crews, the, the coaches picked the referees here and then it's a crazy thing and they have a whole draft system. They sit down and they pick this and this and there's been guys recommended for, you know, soliciting coaches to get games like that. It's crazy. Yeah, we had that, we had the opportunity to talk to Brian Perry, you know, who was running all of that in Houston now. He was telling that the amount of time that he has to put in with the coaches and absolutely. He's Louise. No, thank you. So, you know, I got to go where I was grinding, you know, during the regular season, I was doing seven on seven in the off season during the spring and it was actually when I was on, we're doing one seven on seven and I don't know if you know Joe Wetzel, Joe Wetzel, other than, well, that's great, great guy. Great guy. I was working, working with seven on seven with him. He looks at me and he goes, excuse it, he goes, you ever wanted to do college? Yeah, he goes, you're pretty darn good. You need to look into that. You need to get to these camps. And so that was probably year seven that I've been officiating. Now, did your dad ever do small college? I was he districtly local high school. So my dad, my dad put in 30 years. Okay. Houston chapter here and after 30 years, he hung it up and decided, you know, it was his time and he was, he was done officiating and he's always watching my games. We're in my at this week, you know, watching my games, keeping up with me, but not only do I, my dad officiating, I officiate. So my younger brother, he officiates. Okay. And I have an uncle who lives here in Houston. He also officiates. So there's four of us in Houston and I have another uncle in Nebraska before his knees went out on him. He officiated too. So there's five of us in our family in the fishing on true family affair, right? True family affair. Yes. That's nice. But it's interesting. No, that it had to be somebody outside of family that got you to engage of going to the next level. Yeah. It was kind of like, you know, it never really dawned on me like to go do that. For me, I started when I started. It was, it was, you know, amount of college work him up first job and making some money there. I'm like, you know, my dad's like, just do this. I was like, ah, just the extra truth. He told us it was beer money. Right. You know, it was play around money, extra money to play around with and do stuff with. I was still single at the time. I was, you know, and involved in the relationship, but we weren't married yet. Right. So still has some freedom. A little bit, but she knows she's getting into. Right. Well, but she's tied up for from the start. She knew because her being a coach, was she doing on the same path of coaching and teaching at that time too? Yeah. So she was going to school. When I started officiating, just getting started, she was still in school and she had a year left to finish up. And so she was, she was actually looking for more corporate fitness and stuff when she was going to school. And she just kind of meandered into, you know, she was taking a school teacher and then got out of the classroom and went into the, you know, got into the gym and coaching and that out, that out of me there. So, so now you've been told to go to a camp. So what was the first camp you signed up for and you go to? You know, I want to say it was the one here in Houston. I forget the name of it, but it was at U of H. It was at U of H and rice. And I remember, you know, guys, I remember Gerald Austin being there. Guys like Mike DeFeed being there talking to us, you know, teaching us things back then and that, you know, just trying to, just getting my feet wet. I really, you know, I really didn't understand what I was doing. Just kind of learning there and trying to get myself out there. And then I remember I got in, you know, I got with JJ Johnson. He was my crew chief here in Houston for my varsity crew. And he also, he was retired from his swag, but he took me out to the Harold Mitchell's camp, the swag camp. And we're a thing, we're in Baton Rouge that year, that year. Yeah. Yeah. It moved around for a while. It moved around. Yeah, we're at Southern. I can't remember. I think we're at Southern University that year. And so I kind of went to that camp there. And that was kind of like the first one where I really got looks. Okay. You know, some good looks in there and and then get picked up. It was funny. You know, I just got done, you know, this year helping out at Eddie Kelly's camp, the 18 camp, which used to be K, you know, I mean, Harold's camp. And they were like, Hey, you ever come to this camp? Yeah, I miss like one of the first ones I came to. And now I said, now my clinician are helping these guys talk to me. Yeah. So that was those kind of the things I went to. So I never, I never got any, never got any, never got looks or any and like really headway from those camps. How do you feel at the time? Because now you're putting out your a few years in, putting out money for these camps. How do you and you're saying you're not getting the looks at the beginning? How are you feeling after the camps and about what the prospects are moving forward? You know, I was, I guess frustrated, a little frustrated on it because I thought, you know, people telling me, hey, you're pretty good at fishing. I got guys, you know, working at other levels, you do a good job on the field, come work with us. And, you know, it's kind of frustrated on one end of the other end. I look back at it now. I was like, man, I had no guidance. I had no idea on how to manage that, that field and get there. And so that's like, I think now, now today, when I, when I'm at camps and helping out, I like to kind of help the guys and guide them in that direction and kind of talk to them where to go from there, where to look at. Of course, I think these camps now are much more organized and set up to really help find officials now. We're, the forest, kind of, it's like a shot in the dark out there. There was somebody or not, right? It was just a better introduction to the club, shall we say, you know, to get to know people back today. It was just, hey, I have to go here to, but it's, you now we're getting more of that guidance because it's so many of us now that our conditions that had to go through it, the camp system compared to in the past, when we were attending them, it was still kind of fresh and new to where the people that were the conditions, they never had to go through the process of what, what do I need to do after this camp is over? You're going to give me two and a half days of good instruction, but what's next? And that's really where all of it really comes into play. So now you go into these camps and everything, when did you get that college break? So that's kind of funny. My first, I guess you want to call it a college game, was I worked it in 2008. Name is the East West Shrine College All-Star Game here at Houston. Oh, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, but that, but that game was like assigned. like the the crime of the crime right I was like an NFL scout game at time right yeah so funny story on this one it was um December 2007 I remember very clearly I'm driving home from work one evening and my phone rings I look down it has a it's two one two or five one two area coming whatever New York is and um I didn't I didn't know I was like oh normally I don't answer my phone if I don't know the number right it doesn't pop up for students but something told me hey answer this call somebody's calling me from New York I don't know why let's say I don't know why just weird but I answered it you know I'm getting on there hello Glenn yes sir this is Rob veins from the NFL and I'm like hold on a second here of course you know you got you know Mr. Baines and y'all've had him oh yeah he's got that Alabama accident oh yes and I'm like I'm I've worked only high school at this point right and I've worked and I'll tell you and I'll get back story but in high school Texas high school there's one thing I have not done in my career I have not worked at Texas State Championship game the most I worked as a semi-final now to work at Texas State Championship game I would almost choose that over a national championship game oh wow it is that big with you over your chest wow wow that's that's big that's big it is big I've worked I've worked a it was a round three round four is round four high school playoff game in Texas stadium in front of 40,000 people that's funny you say that because when I was coming up they had just start they had just brought back the Californian state games where they were having a north play to south but they had the standards to qualify as an official you have to be a 10 year varsity official and all kind of and and at that time when they had brought it back I had just started to kind of you know inch my way up in you know college football so I was like hey I'm gonna be eligible to work division one ball before I'm a qualm right right like this is this is insane because it wasn't 10 years of experience you have to have 10 years of a varsity schedule with five plus more games each year you know it wasn't just like that first year you got one game you no no it was like you had to have a schedule to qualify so it was right so but now you're saying hey forget going to Notre Dame Texas I won't East Lake in South Lake I'm guessing because it's always lakes in Houston so I'm just getting schools well you know I don't know we'll still do that but I always still I always still love the opportunity to work as Texas State Championship game I stay it I decide you know we go back to this time I'm getting this phone call and it's Ron Baines I'm just working high school ball like what he goes you know from the NFL and he goes I got your name from Tommy Moore Tommy Moore X NFL official he was a supervisor of officials in Houston at the time he was the designer the guy he goes got your name from him and he gave it to us in one of our prospects as a prospect he goes we have this NFL's been assigned to help kind of facilitate the officials for the East West trying all-star games gonna be in Houston there in January and I'm looking to put some guys in the game and see if you can work it I said absolutely the next question was have you ever worked seven man mechanics we were working five in mechanics at that time I'm like yes drop or seven man mechanics I've I've done some semi pro and some stuff here when I'm hustling games and working seven man he goes okay he goes because let me let me get back to y'all call you back and let you know what I what I decide so about a week later he calls me up Glenn still available yes sir you're in the game all right great so now I'm like oh all right so I'm like Tommy hey thank you look I need some help I'm I'm driving up to his house and he's sitting down and going through talking you know I'm gonna work field judge in this game so he's going through mechanics and just what I'm looking at this and that there um so I mean it's it's nothing like the all-star games now and how the NFL runs it with with the ODP or MDP program I mean we showed up Friday night at the hotel got to go sit down at their banquet dinner got to bring my wife and here I was I was like 29 30 years old I looked like a little kid at the time and I was at this table um cleat blakeman was the referee on the crew oh wow okay um uh my defy was a back judge so I mean I got got guys in that game that a tons of experience right here I am just walking in and um so I you know it was great though I got to go out there I got to uh I said you know do the do the whole thing to have the crew meeting with the guys this is my first time our reduction to free game meetings all things going on right and uh you know they they're like oh we kind of find chain guys for this game I'm like oh you need some officials I can help you out there so my dad actually got to be a chain guy for the game so it's kind of cool I'm efficient game my dad's on the sideline with me you know um you know it was cool those those are sometimes the experiences that really make this uh avocation our business like I could like to call it now dad we do the fun side when you get to you know your dad's involved with it and especially officiate it now you know I mean I'm sure he was grinning you know ear to ear seeing his son out there in the east west shrine game and you know he's standing on the sideline you know that's this moment of times that you just you just absolutely can't get back and that's some of the joy that this you know world of football and officiating and brings to us so you work this game yep does everything does everything that's take off like a rocket ship from there or is it now just kind of come back to reality and not so fast yet buddy not so fast one say a rocket ship you know it's kind of like I got my my civic and I started putting a gear we're going now okay no no so um work that game I went to another clinic didn't get any didn't get any headway from that but Baines called me back up he was hey you got this arena to then going on work arena to absolutely so I'll repeat it to and like again like that I hustled that down I was like I got the games he assigned me and then you'd be sitting there and they put out emails oh we need somebody to go here and I'm done I'm there I got to coach I think I worked 15 or 18 games that season okay so now I haven't asked yet at this time you brought your wife to the the shrine game so I know you're married is there kids now or is there still no kids uh yes okay you have a young one at this time okay so you so you so you had you you had kids and you still had the bag pack ready to go yep yeah bag pack ready to go that's why me and you get along but you will work I'm gonna follow it up with I told you this I said at the beginning I have the best wife in the world so you can really is understanding with it and you know we talked about I said look I got this opportunity this is you know this this is what it takes to get here and I need are you on board with it and absolutely she's been on board and supportive um you know some of those arena games are taking her with me so we're going traveling for the weekend you know I'm sure you have some drives too I can't give some drives yeah family to go to nothing man you guys do magic but but it also don't help now that you want to replay what they supposed to watch you do that's true yeah yeah so my son was uh with the we was three probably three at the time he was three at the time and he's he's he's grown up with a ball on his hand so he's always loved the games and the sports you know he like said he just raged actually he just raged from judgment by old high school he's also hold on don't don't get it I'm saving your son to the end because I want to get in there with that because I know how I know how involved in there that's it you I'm saving that part we we're gonna talk about you then we go we gonna get to the years because I do want to know because I saw you a couple months ago we still was working on some stuff so I want to see if we can't see some conclusions with the with the young Glenn out there so now you go to the camp after the shrine you're like hey you know to the misses hey we have this opportunity let's get going she's with you so when do you say was that point in time he was like okay the camps have done something the shrine game isn't you know you're working the arena to but even with the arena to we're still looking for that conference hire so what who's the first college conference is coming and say hey we want yeah so so the story you know goes so the next year Ron Bane calls Bane's calls me up again East West Shrine's back in Houston needs officials I worked that game again so I've done two East West Shrine games now after that game I get the call from Gerald Austin and he offers me a spot into comfort USA slash CFO West that's that whole CFO West thing at that time okay okay so I get to go so I get hired in CFO West conference USA and Like Gerald does or most guys do, you kind of supplementally kind of get your one game or two games, right? So I had my first game, my first official college game was Steven F. Austin at SMU Okay, and Sean Smith was a referee in that game. Wow In referee and NFL referee. Yeah, we were both we were both just coming in at the time and So work that game there and that was kind of it, you know, I hadn't really didn't have anything else on the schedule I was just kind of waiting sitting around and so then um, I Guess it was in October, right? I got my notes here like in October. I was working, you know high school and sub varsity and We had we had our P. We crew like every Saturday we would go out and there was my uncle and it was me Two other good buddies. It was the four of us and when we walk out in that field and you had the P. We's if the coaches saw us It's like yeah, we got the all-star crew with 18 and they knew they knew they didn't have to deal with anything that week right right But had that Saturday we all had halftime. Oh more than hot dogs. We got them well But for that Saturday we actually had a varsity game high school varsity game schedule And it was at the time it was scheduled It wouldn't allow us to work our P. We games that day. So I didn't work P. We said this one Saturday in October I'm driving to my varsity game Phone rings and it's Gerald Austin here. I'm driving again another call Gerald Austin. Why is Gerald calling me at four o'clock? Oh, sir, mr. Austin Saturday, okay, yes, sir mr. Austin. Hey, Glenn. Um, I need a I need a field judge at Rice for a 630 kickoff Uh 630 the same day Same day. It's 4 p.m. He needs one is 630 and two and a half hours And I am completely on the opposite side of Houston, the town Which if anybody has ever been in Houston Place that's a big place that can be a you can be two hours away from where you need to go to Yep, and so I was like, uh, yes, sir. I can help you. I said I gotta go home and get my college uniform But I'll be there let the guys know He's like absolutely. So I you know, I'm calling my referee. I'm like, hey man. I'm not coming to our game You got to find another back judge. I got to go to rice. He's like and he's like yeah, go take care of your business Because you know, he knows and um I'm calling my dad. Hey dad. I got the game. Call my wife. I got you know, and I'm going home. Got my uniform dress. I walk up in the back gate of rice and I walk in the locker room there and David Eppere Lee's the referee Jim LeBore is a like the line judge Great Adam's you know, you know, all these guys and I walked in Cool as a cucumber because to me the way I've always approached any game is It's just another football game And even though it's just another football game It's the most important game of the day Because to those kids and those fans and those coaches, that's the only game that matters at that time And for me when I officiate for me when I coach That's the most important game. That's that's the Super Bowl at that time. So that's it It didn't matter if I was doing a pwe game. It didn't matter if I was in junior high high school Or college. I treat them all the same way. I just walk in and even when I did the swiss shrine game It's just another game and I didn't feel this nervousness or like pressure on me to do it I just I just always kind of walk out there like do your job Do what you're supposed to do and take care of it. So I walked in. I remember No, Jim LeBore. He was he was more nervous than I was. Oh, hey, it's okay Don't worry about the coach and uh, just you know, help out. You don't worry about any flags or anything. We'll take care of all the fouls Just run. Just run. Just just run. Just stand up and look pretty Get the ball to run Oh, no, I get a I get a dpi come down my sideline second quarter and I'll wing that sucker You know 100% right on Knock the game out had you know did a good had a good job and um You know Next week Gerald Austin calls me up Glenn. You're on the crew of the rest of the season. Oh, oh Nights Yeah How long did you work in conference USA? Um, so from Let's see. That was 2009 and so then 2000 and 15 2009 2015 in the last three years of that. I was supplemental in the SEC. Okay. SEC Sunbelt. So from like 12 13 14 15. I was I would fill in as an aO or maybe work a game over there in SEC or Sunbelt You know, that's one Steve Shaw just called me up out of blue. I wasn't even searching that out He just called me up and said hey, and he's some guys And of course, yeah, they always need some supplement extra guys to fill in the supplement of games So that's kind of how I got my foot in the Sunbelt SEC door What has I just got called up? Hey come to Florida for this spring meeting and work for us and We'll let you know from there. So Okay, so You feel you're feeling in your work of a Gerald, which you know Gerald We actually interviewed him a few weeks back, which will be releasing that show Uh, I Mean as far as Gerald has a whole history on the field and he has a whole history off the field as being absolutely supervisor Um, and everybody that I've talked to that has worked with him, you know, has a you know Very good feeling about how Gerald allowed opportunities because he will bring people in like yourself with not much experience But like okay, here you go, and he didn't oh, he didn't sing you to just a little small games either it was like hey You're gonna work you're gonna work here you go Uh, yeah So now you you working in conference you would say How's your confidence going to where it's like okay, hey, I'm really Good at this I'm comfortable at it What's you know, what's next because you know not saying that conference you would say isn't great, but we all know, you know They're they're not a power five even you know, they were a lot different conference when you got in Um, you know, because there's a whole lot of realignment and happen after you've left But uh, what was it that it was like okay, hey, I need to go to the sun and build I need to you know take these opportunities that even though people are calling me out of the blue Absolutely, you know, it was um Like you said now the the rocket ship started taking off. This is where the rocket ship started taking off from me here um You know, I got in that the year I you know got to fill in on that crew um And uh because the guy actually hurt his back and getting dressed he slipped at this oh That's how that's that's my luck right the guy it hurts his back putting his socks on he slips at this So that's why I got the call for the death for that I finished up the locker room it got hurt It was at the hotel Getting dressed before the game and try he tried to ride the bus there and got got on the the van there and couldn't make it Then he had to go back That's why we need to stop wearing suit see people can't even get their dress socks on them So um So now that that was uh 2009 so 2010 I get put on a crew Um, Jarrop has been on a crew um I'm on there with a bunch of all-stars, you know um, you know and so I get the albumable that year the next year I get the album ball Oh, don't year one okay year one albumable Whoo, but the albumable is no joke. I mean the albumable is I mean, but any bow, but the albumable is the number two bow for the pack to the second place team in the pack 12 goes Alamo and I believe it's the third place team for the big 12 ago. Yeah, yeah, it was That was uh Arizona and And oh, okay, Oklahoma State that you okay, okay, I had them and that was back, you know They they changed up how the bowls are assigned to the crews now, right? Right, so back then that's what conference USA would get one or two of the kind of power fives In the bowls is so right. Yeah, so my year one I was Alamo bowl And then year two I got the outback bowl. Okay. Oh, man. Yeah, that would and that was Michigan State and Georgia You know, you know, so that was and now it's Tampa Bay, right? Tampa Bay. Yeah, and this is when now this is when the wife is like this stuff is awesome You can see that fun stuff rolling in absolutely because she enjoyed the albumable, but that was a quick trip You know, San Antonio. I think we're driving stuff now. She got the fly with me. We got to go to Tampa Bay We were there for new years. We were on the beach People on bowl bash party. Um, she got a sideline pass. She actually got she actually got run over by Kirk cousins on the sideline during the game It was funny. We still got the clip, but she got the sideline pass. She had the camera. She was down there taking pictures of the crew And so she was taking shots and Clay Martin was my wing official Um for the game and Hodor is the way way way. Yeah, he said Oh, yeah Clay. Clay's my boy. He's crazy. Play such a great guy. Wow I've only met him a handful of times and every single time it's been a he is an absolute great guy Screw teacher like yourself too, right in a coach Yes, yes, he was. Yeah, I tell you it and this is where now I look back on it I've been great about putting guys in the NFL Welcome to that's by me and you get along boy, man. I'll tell you what you want to go to the NFL You just come work next to me. Yeah, I will stick you in there, right? Blake Blakeman that was his last game for you went to the NFL right play that was his last game for you went to the NFL right I can give you a handful of other guys. Oh, yeah, but you what's that work with both of us and that he was on your crew Oh, I can't think of my boys name wall wall flowers wall flowers. Yeah, I want flowers. Yeah, Tyre and Walton and Tyre in Frank Steltour, right? We had Dwayne got in Wayne. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm good I'm just trying to figure myself out. We can show you the way we can show you the way Here's the yellow brick road. Yeah, so I mean, I'm taking off like outback ball my wife loved that she had a great time That gets you like man, this stuff's awesome. You gotta keep getting these cool games, you know and so that's you doing that there And then I you know next year 2012 got the conference for a championship Back to back. I did well. No Conference really champion 2012 and then 13 I get the call and call again from Ron veins come work the senior ball Nice nice nice and at that time was it the whole you know Whole week or did you just go in you know for this thing one practice in a game? Yeah, that would now we were just like one practice in a game. Okay So we weren't it weren't there the whole week yet. We're gonna do that. This one bans was in there head top error Still working the the official night be department. Okay, so But yeah, then so then what 2015? You know I'm on comfort I'm on the championship game from conference USA and so that was my last conference USA game and Then I got the call From Steve Shaw to come over full-time or kind of split some belt SEC So we like to talk about the day everybody how You had the opportunity to get many calls of getting promoted All of them are great is there one that stands out more than the other not so much that it was you know higher But it's just that moment of time to just what was going on in life or whatever case may be right that super You're right that it's just like man. I just that moment Stitching memory forever. Yeah, you know There is a moment where I just felt it was right for me And for my career and how it was going at the time, but it was after the After my my second year in comfort USA Walt Anderson called me for the big 12 and he was told we were talked about he had some deep positions open It's some things they were talked and talked him a little about it And I say you know, I need to think about it and and I need a Called you know make some calls and do some things I called Gerald Austin who I you know super appreciative like you talked about he gave guys the chance And you know at that time It just felt right like Gerald I felt I was getting a lot of good teaching and learning from Gerald And not that I not that I wouldn't get it from wall to wall to one of the greatest out there on teaching one of the best and right I can't stop there, but just for me at that time it felt right for me Thing to do so I actually stayed in comfort USA And did not didn't move to the BCS conference at that time right So that's kind of like I guess like call or conversation of those that really stands out, you know, and then that's a great one because most Most wouldn't do it, you know most of this jump, you know, whatever's The next thing hey, I'm right. I'm gone. So that that says a lot about you and a lot about your confidence in your You know lawyers. I wouldn't say loyalty because I you know we're independent contractors But your appreciation to what Gerald did. I'm I won't say loyalty, but your appreciation to what he was bringing to you in your career And you understanding you and where you were at that time that that was the best Spot for you to remain and then now I mean You're not in you know, I'm three letters. We'd like to call it But if there's any other three letter that you want to be in Outside of the league. I mean the SEC is I mean that is the cream of the cream when it comes to college football No, not I love the pack 12 the big 10 is great the big 12 is great and so on But we can't be foolish that since the BCS been around even with the you know once we got rid of BCS And we came with the college playoff. I think I think the SEC still owns 80% of the championships Since the BCS has you know and continue on so You get into the SEC What's the what's the game if I because all games are great all I tell people all the time They ask me hey, what's the best game you work? I tell them it's the next one because none of them are guaranteed and as you said earlier That next game is this important is Those people involved in it didn't anything else But what is the game that stands out to you in your SEC career and let's not say the SEC championship I know you got that in your belt, you know because you big time like that But what is the game that she just walked into like damn hold on? It's 105 people is 90,000. There's another 90,000 in the parking lot. What is that game that stood out to you? So it yeah, you kind of just segue right into it. So my first year in I was officially assigned to a sum belt crew and Me and another official were actually splitting a schedule for side judge on this sum belt crew well, I only worked three games with that crew that year and So when I was when I didn't work those three games with that crew, I was assigned either Either to another sum belt crew or most time I was assigned to a SEC crew So it it was I don't remember the week All I know is it was Alabama at Tennessee in Knoxville Right in Knoxville Neal and stadium 110 people right one of the largest stadiums in the country. Yes, and I'm telling you that thing is imposing You walk out and look up and those stands just keep going up, right, but I remember I had a call In the first half I was on Bama sideline and it was a Potential or I had actually a no call it was a potential DPI on the Tennessee receiver And it wasn't it was and it was not it was just good timing It looked nasty, but it was good timing the famous bang bang Yeah, and it was too it was it was from from my viewpoint as a deep guy It's kind of one though to say you're straight line and like you don't want to use the term straight line But it's just where you are. I got the guys going back there and it is what it is, but And here's here's You know, it's on CBS's CBS game all the other SEC guys like who's this guy? Who's this rookie working this CBS game and then you got with it Danielson on the on the monitor? You know on the replay. He's circling me on the replay There's the official right there and he calls me out. He says my name and he says Houston, right? He says he pronounces it right, right? I really think you just wanted to say the name you had to find a way to say that oh, yeah You know because it was not called everybody that they thought it was The whole stadium are rubs with And I'm standing and I'm like That's a 110,000 people booing me. That is pretty cool This is all for me right now and so But you know that's kind of the game there. I remember coming out for a second half and you go Now I'm on Tennessee sideline and here comes their coach. Oh, who was at the time? It was oh, yeah, that flat top here. He's come. He said was that bush Jones at the time? Bush Jones. He's coming out. He's still hot. He's pointing at me. Yeah, that it is You know the Elmsum and you know like okay coach. Well, that's the way you saw it and you know our our opinions differ I was brave to correct on that by the way I'm gonna go with that. Yeah, that's kind of that's kind of like you know the game You're like now. This is pretty cool. This is a pretty cool environment to be in every week. Oh Yes, I'm a great environment to be in. I mean there is not a game that you Don't go to it each and every week that is like ooh, you know because a lot of times the people that's outside of Efficient especially or outside of the sports world, you know, they don't look at a matchup and be like oh, you know It's so and so and so and so. Oh, this is a bad game Yeah, for everybody not involved for the two teams in the officiate and crew that shows up The so-called bad games as the media will put it is the toughest games. I tell everybody to work those big matchups where everybody knows the biggest game Those mean hey as loud as more attention, but they're simple It's the ones that you have the whole coaching staff. It's about week eight in the season and both of Mar at that tip and point of There may be some firing what's going on there, there, there may be some, some movie bands showing up. Those are the tough games for us to work. You know, when, when it's two nine and old teams, it's a big matchup. Right. But it's, it's the, it's the two and eight teams competing against each other in week 11. You're like, ooh, yeah, this is going to be fun. Oh, and then ain't got nothing else to do but to pick up your cards. Now, you're rolling the SEC. Your families involved, families growing, right? Cause it's, it's not one kid anymore. We're at what two or three now. Well, it depends on what year it was. Okay. So your first year in the SEC, yeah, at that game, how many kids was it for Alabama, Tennessee? Um, that was a sea. So we're, no, there's, there's two. So when I say it depends, it depends on what year it was. So my first son is my biological son, my youngest. We, we fostered him for two years and adopted him. Oh, okay. Right on. Hey, that's a big glad, man. Thank you. And in the meantime, we also have fostered some other, other kids in there. So we've had, you know, two or three kids in the house at a time here. So, um, how? Yeah. So we, so the, the, the, the future family is extended upon many. We tried. Yeah, we tried. Hey, hey, hats off to you. Forget your officiate and stuff. You know, being a foster parent and adopting and so on. That's incredible, man. You being a teacher, being a role model, the way you are both you and your wife. Uh, we love sports and we love officiate. But man, you, it's life. Yeah, that's life, man. You, you are providing an opportunity and stuff, you know, guidance, a door, a welcoming door to a lot of people that are looking for that welcoming door. So how it's off to you, my friend. What do you do on that path? Yeah. Um, you know, that, that's an interesting one. And, uh, great question. Um, so, you know, when my wife and I got married in after a couple of years, okay, let's start our family and that happened. We had it. We had our son and it was going. So we're a couple of years, two, three years later, and we're like, okay, let's, let's add on to the family and things just didn't happen. And so, um, you know, whatever, whatever reason it is, whatever path God has chosen for, for me, my wife, my son, my family, you know, it's just, it's just the path he's chosen. And sometimes, you know, that's a hard thing for a lot of us to see. Um, but, you know, I always go back to everything happens for a reason. God has, God puts us there and puts us these things. It might not something, we might not be something we see today, tomorrow, a month, a year, it might be 10 years down the road. He, God, that's why that happened. Thank, thank you God for taking care of me and putting me there. And so, um, we are a very faith-filled family. Um, and so if we got into our family, like, you know, there was just one morning in the summertime, my wife, I remember this very vividly, we wait, she wakes up, she rolls her, she's had a dream last night that we adopted a kid. And my exact response to her was, it's funny to say that because I had this vision in high school that I always thought I would adopt a kid one day. And that's how the conversation got started. And I never, we had never spoken about that before. We never, we never really went down that path. So then once that started, then we started going down the path and researching and this and that. It's, it's taking us to the right place. Um, you know, it's, it's brought, um, our family closer together. Um, it's built, it's built our family. And then it's also expanded our family because my youngest son, Cole, um, he's awesome. Um, he also has a older brother and sister that still, we actually fostered the sister for a while. Um, but they're induced in here also. So we have extended families. So we go see them on the birthdays, holidays, isn't that? Um, so my youngest will tell you, yeah, I have, you know, two brothers and a sister and, you know, this and that. And everybody's like, no, you don't, you only have this, no, I have this in this. Yeah. Yes. No bones about it. It goes, I'm a doctor. And this is my, my sister over here, my brothers over here. And so, uh, we've never, you know, hit it. We've always been honest with him. And, and it was funny. You mentioned, I mean, God has everything for a reason. He turned to me today and he was watching them on TV. He goes, God, dad, sometimes I even forget I'm a doctor. You love me just like, you love me like, I'm part of the family. I go, dude, you are part of the family. You're my boy. You're my son. That's amazing. You know, that's amazing. You know, it's amazing. So, um, you know, it's, it's, it's a great feeling. And, you know, like I said, as a teacher and a coach, I get to spread that and talk to my kids about it too. Right. And allow, let them understand that, you know, your family and being a family man is a vocation. Um, you know, whether your vocation is being a, you know, your business or your teacher or your coach, being a, a great father is a great vocation to have. You know, being an official is a vocation to have. So I could use my kids at school all the time. They always talk to coach, uh, where are you going this week? And, uh, what team, you know, what channel you're gonna be on? They love watching me and coming back. So it's, I try to, you know, realize that I am, um, that's a platform I could to use with kids. Now, now, Glenn, I always knew you were a great person, a great guy. But you, you know, you, you have taken it to the next level for me because when it comes to, you know, I have, I have my sisters, a teacher and everything and those of us, Monty has kids, you know, we'd know how important it is. Even though the three of us are committed parents who are focused, but having great teachers around them, not babysitters, like a lot of people use you guys as today, but just to where they are showing young men, especially young girls, where a man is supposed to stand, right? And that's, that's, but young men, how are you supposed to set yourself in the principles that you're supposed to have and you've been able to give, and then given them that shining like to the hey, there's a whole lot of opportunity. I grew up in the same area that you grew up in. I'm teaching in that area. Now, you know, the Houston's my city. You guys are my kids and you're bringing in kids from outside and engaging that man. That's absolutely incredible. I'm, I'm almost, you know, off this football stuff. And as a matter of fact, you know what? I'm going to jump off right there because I know you had a tremendous football career. And I know one day the big three letters going to come calling you as well because you are a damn good official. But me and you talk a lot about two things away from football. One is sneakers. The second ties into what we were just talking about your son. I know he's a quarterback and you have lived the new quarterback world when it comes to having a young child playing quarterback in today's world of going to camps and all these different. We think about officiating with the camps. You probably went to ten times that for your son. I can imagine. Yeah. Getting him exposure. How is that? I know he just graduated from high school. Congratulations. But I know he had a couple offers out there to some, you know, some universities. Before we jump to how he concluded with the offers, tell it, talk a little bit about that journey of going to all those different camps and what you were doing to get your son promoted out there. Yeah. You know, it's a, gosh, it's kind of a lot like officiating too, right? Getting yourself promoted. Like you got a little bit like for him. I had to learn kind of different world like with officiating. I stay away from Facebook, you know, Twitter, Instagram, all those things that, you know, that's where no social media. Stay away from social media. Get off that social media. Well, I've never been a social media person. So when I got to my son, his recruiting, it was like, holy moly, I got to learn this stuff because that's where the recruiting takes place, right? So I had to learn Twitter, I had to learn Instagram and this stuff. And it was going to these camps in kind of the same way. You get out there, you got to meet people, you got to know somebody, who knows somebody, you got to get somebody to vouch for you. It's like kind of officiating. Get somebody to vouch for you. Yeah. This guy's good, you know, that's a, it was a journey. And there was, I was, I'm thankful this summer, I don't have to do that journey again because the last two years, you know, the COVID year kind of messed things up, but the last couple of years we had a schedule. I think last year we went to 16 camps and 22 days, and I just want everybody to know that these camps aren't close to home. I remember, we had a game when we were working, USFL, you had left Birmingham, went to like North Carolina for camp and then your family was on vacation somewhere else, right? That you were kind of, you were doing a whirlwind around to make sure that your son got to the correct, correct camp. Yeah, I was, yeah, we were doing, you know, these schools, but you got a lot of schools that reach out and they go, hey, we want to invite you to our camp. And, you know, as a quarterback, quarterbacks, one of the toughest positions you're recruited, no matter what they see on film, they want to see you throw in person. And so you got to get in front of them. And, you know, it's, it's tough. Like you meant to make decisions on where do you go? And it's these conversations trying to have these coaches like are you 100% committed or are you just trying to get us there because we're a number, like someone or just, they want them there because they need numbers to fill. They want to kind of get a good look at you, but they're not right. So yeah, you know, it was a lot of scheduling, there was a lot of scheduling and the thing I feel like a travel agent sometimes knowing how to manage all that and get us in the places. But you know, we made it happen like I said last year the number of cancer went to those days. He was actually on a pitch count. I walked there and I had a little, you know, pitch counter and the clicker and I would count every throw he made. And so we wouldn't let him make too many throws. Yeah, so we just we just make sure, you know, you got you're using your arm and you're going to camps three days in a row. I mean, there's times if you don't watch it, they're going up there on 150 200 balls that I can't without knowing. And so for us it was, hey, don't, you know, in the demo time. Because if you're sitting in camp, you might get three snaps. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's how that's how like my first ones were as I like three snaps. I got to pick me up from my three snaps, but yeah, what would you say now? You kind of went full circle. You say you're your dad officiate to put you through private high school, what you say now you went kind of a different circle. You officiate now to put your son through quarterback camps. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's where a lot of that money goes to. Right. Right. Right. So it's a senior year. Did he? Is he is he still out there looking or did he sign his letter in 10? Is he going to a certain place or it's still out there? He signed. He signed it and I'm going to throw the brag out on real quick. He had a had a phenomenal senior year. He backed up the senior year throwing for 2600 yards, 29 touchdowns. And so he actually decided to sign with Texas A&M Texas A&M Kingsville or formerly known as Texas A&M. So he's going to head down there. He'll report officially in August, but he's starting to go down there in the summer. He has three hours from home. It's in Fortress Christie just a little bit about Corpus Christi area close to the beach. So that helped him decide, you know, beach girls. Right. Now it's a good place to be. But far enough away from home to where mom and dad just can't pop up. Yeah, absolutely. Right. But close enough. Right. Close enough. You need it. Yeah. Close enough. I can make the drive. Right. But it's also the new age of college football. The goal for him is to get somewhere, play, get snaps. And you just never know what the transfer porter on all this other stuff. You know, he put good tape out there. You know, he's still in a recruiting process. It's no longer you go to the school and you're done being recruited. I mean, it's just a constant. So you just never know. He'd go out there and, you know, ball out for a year to get some good stuff on tape. Absolutely. And who knows you may have to, you know, put on your resume filing that you can't work certain schools in the SEC. You just, you just never know. Yeah. Well, we'll say, you know, I'll tell you what, for him, one of his big things about going to Texas M Kingsville is that he wants to do architectural engineering. Get a great program down there for that. And so he's very minded into I'm going into this. I want to play football because I'm still a baller. But I'll get my education out of this. And that's where that's where his life is taking him. Football takes me on. It's going to take him somewhere. Nice. Nice. So, so did you just did your son get all this football accoutremon and talent and wisdom from you, Matt, from that both of you working out to you? Well, so his mom was a college athlete also. She was a cross-country track runner. So, I'm going to tell you, he got all his good looks and anything good about him came from his mom. But no, he, he definitely, it was a blessing. You know, for me, you know, I love my family, I love my kids and that. For me, it was, it was really hard when he was drawn up. He always played TV football on Saturdays. And I'm not leaving. I'm out somewhere else in the country officiating. So, mom always videotaped. He got to come home and watch it. When he got to middle school, he was going to the same middle school I taught at. And so, I got to coach him for two years. Oh, sweet. And, you know, we had a blast. We got to ride home and, you know, to school and, you know, home in the car every day, talk about football. We would, you know, talk about different plays and set up. So, he knew the offense as well as anybody else out there. And so, it was great. Like, we had a close game one time. I call the time out. He goes, "Run to a side." And he goes, "Hey, coach." And on the field, he knew I was coach. You knew I went there. He was coach. We're going to run the same play. But he's going to run post-poner on there. I'm going to throw a turn for touchdown. Sure enough, he wins the ball game for us, you know, with it like that. And he just, it was, yeah. So, he gets a little bit from me, but mom definitely helps out. You're, you're going to, I could tell you are a very smart man because you, you have shouted out, you're better have many of times. And you just send me our email. We'll make sure she gets a link for this episode. Absolutely. So, when, when does he report, when does he report to school? First week of August reports, but they have on official like some workouts of stuff he's doing here going down the summer for a week at a time. I'm going down there and just workouts. Was he, was he injured him in trouble? Right. Was, was he, was he, was he, was he blessed unlike you were to where he has his height already? Yes, he was blessed. He's actually taller than me. I think he grew another inch since he's, you know, finished the season here. So, he sits about probably six, two and a half right now, one ninety five, two hundred. Okay. Yeah, he's, he's filling out. He's solid and I'm excited to see what he's going to do down there and, and he needs competition. So, he's going to get a lot of competition down there and it's going to be great for him. Nice. Now, you also coach as well. What do you coach at the, you coach for the school? What, what sports do you coach? Yeah, absolutely. So, at my school, I'm the PE teacher. I do eighth grade health. I'm the co-authletic director. There's two of us that run athletics and so, and actually I coach. So, I coach football in our football season, which makes, that's why I say my wax football will. So, you know, it's middle school football. So Monday, Tuesday, play games on Wednesday or Thursday. Friday, fly out. You know, and you're coaching football during the middle of football season for Kyle. Yes, I am. Only in Texas. Only in Texas. If I'm needed, if I'm needed, I coach basketball and then I also coach softball. Okay. Goodness. Now, you're the athletic director. So, that means you have a lot of interactions with officials on the other end as being the administrative side. How is that being official to you sometimes have to deal with officials to where as they maybe went too far and is like, hold on. In the same world, which you, that's not quite high. It worked. Yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's, um, you have to work with them sometimes. A lot of times we get pretty good guys that come to our, our school. One, they know we pay them pretty quickly. So, they like coming to us. That's not always a good thing in our world. Right. And it was always a good thing. Um, so we get some of the same guys, but yeah, there's been times where I work with guys, especially when I'm coaching football. Um, there's been so many new guys in the Houston chapter. Like, I don't, some guys don't be, but I won't go out there and say anything to them. And I've had games that, you know, I forget, but they'll have a penalty and they'll enforce it wrong. Maybe enforce it five yards instead of 10 or try to do that. I go, no, man, that's a 10 yard penalty. He's like, no, I'm like, yeah, that's a 10 yard penalty. So, you know, and my other coaches, my other existing coaches walked by, you probably should listen to him, you know, and stuff. But he may, he may know a thing or two, but I, you know, I try not to mess them too much. Well, but it should be a good thing though, because now, I mean, you have, you know, the, uh, the, the eels and the, and the issues that they have. So, the parkins already set up like you, you, you, you probably kind of go over and above most athletic directors to make sure that, you know, things go smooth for the officials. Wouldn't you say? Oh, yeah. Like, especially basketball season, especially when I'm not coaching like basketball season, they'll come in my gym. I got their paperwork ready for them. Sometimes I get the same guys over. I'm like, they're going to fill out again. I'm just checking out for another day. Right. And on there, and then I got the gate arrays, all stuff set up for them in the office and they're ready to go. And so they come in, you know, they got their three hours of work, get their, you know, their paycheck and they're out there. And it's a get rolling, which we all love. Now what sports is your coach? Let me your coach, your wife coach. Um, she's a, she's girls basketball. Okay. And track. Okay. She ran across country. So that makes sense. Yeah, ran across country. He's played a little basketball in high school. So she's not a bad baller. Not bad. She can't she beat you? Well, I wouldn't go that far. All right. So my final subject, which you, you know, it's funny. I think we hit it off from the, from the jump being on the same crew together. But once we start seeing the sneaker head, you know, we had something else to talk about. What got you? Cause I think you're kind of new to the sneaker head world. Yeah, I am. I am. I said I'm a rookie at it. No, okay. What's the latest kicks? What's the latest grab you got? You know, I haven't really got anything. My son came home with some, with some pandas. Dump panda dumps yesterday. You got him bottom bottom used off the guy So that was just a low-top Air Force ones, right? Well Air Force ones are different than dumps. Right. They're a different model. Goodness gracious Don't listen to mozzie. He has no idea. You know, he made he may come out here with a pro wing. I'm done I'm never like I've always liked I've always had a lot of tennis shoes being a P-teacher coach, right? You wear them every day That's all I would just like dress shoes you wear to work right those are shoes. I work and so you keep switching them out Because you wear the same shoe they get uncomfortable. So you guys staying at comfortable, you know sneaker, but It was my kids at school. They start you know that kind of sneaker head things started growing and building like coach You need to get you something like and and not really But I always wanted a pair of Jordan 4's ever since I've when they came out when I was back in building Little school always wanted pair one pair So finally came across when I came and the the the red thunder 4's came out And those are my first pair I got I popped on them right away. I was ready. As soon as they dropped I was online bam bottom Got it, and so I got those and then I wore them to school, you know, I'm teaching in coach and like coach You got oh coach, you know all of a sudden I became like You didn't hear me up my status They got coach got gay. Oh, yeah, you got to be careful in Houston. Oh, they might have came out. What a what a nice food coming out It's a guy. I'm I'm a sugar lamb. We're okay, right right But so I got those and then you know, I just started I just started building upon it like I had I had a little some Some credits on Nike in one time that we got so like I'll just get these here So I got some turquoise, you know high top dunks and the kids like man, those are good coach And I always thought and I started seeing how I could pair them with you know different shirts and outfits and like that So I just started building upon it and then just recently my son got into it and the good thing is we were the same size Got it. We are kind of we kind of split. So I'll go. He'll borrow mine. I'll borrow his You know, like a shanti he was when I saw him down in Houston You know, I was like we're talking we're talking sneaks and oh, yeah, the problem the problem with a shanti is he would he would get some fuchsia shoes Some light bright shoes, you know, yeah, it's it's gonna be some very random colors that he he'd go with Yeah, I mean if you get those you only you can only wear them with certain things right stuff. I can kind of wear Wear those things right where I'm off then and then you know, I so That's me. I've always been a sneaker head, but since the pandemic You know Jordans is my new work shoe, you know, I I don't wear it as we call them hard bottoms anymore to work is it's all right It's I got up here. Oh Jordans are Lebron's or somebody on even even at work is Dress shoes. What are those? Yeah, so like I guess the last pair I bought was The Jordan 5's UNC Jordan 5's. Oh, that was nice. They are But I got him I'm a size 12 and they were sold out at 12's and they went back on I got him in size 11. Oh So they're a little tight. Yeah, they tie they tie I haven't worn them yet They're still in the box. I'm trying to find somebody I could trade them. I want to try 12 I'm gonna find somebody to trade them with there you go. I want I want to wear those They're nice, but yeah We we enjoy like mixing it up and my son now has gotten to this whole fashion thing with the gurls and stuff Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, he's gonna he's gonna be asking like dad. I drove all the way back from home You know three hours just to can we trade shoes real quick? I got a date next week. Yeah He thinks he's taking he thinks he's taking a lot of them down there with him Yeah, see that's my wife and daughter are the same size so date It's it's hilarious because my wife is probably a bigger sneaker head than I am so yeah daughter gets to Trump on all her shoes. I just crack you know, nobody can touch my 12 and a half and 13 is thank goodness because I was right both So so Glenn going back over your whole aficiating career Growing your family throughout it. What would you tell the young Glenn official? Now that you wish you would have known 15 years ago in your football career You know, it's been such a fun journey Like just to sit here and talk through it with y'all tonight and do this here You know, I think The things that to go back and things I talk about young guys now is If you if you have a goal in mind of something you want to do Kind of we can set that plan in place. How do you all set that plan in place a little sooner, right? But for me it really wasn't that goal the goal of being the SEC or or even moving up or wherever that that wasn't in place You know, it was just here to have fun and You know enjoy what you're doing enjoy every time you're out on the field I think that's one of the biggest things for me has always been I Want a football field, you know, I mean Unless I'm skipping work and playing golf. I mean, we're also what I want to be You're right now. I want a football field And I'm part of the game like you know, I get asked all the time what's your favorite stadium to go to or what what's your favorite thing? I say you know what my favorite thing is getting to bring the teams out of locker room because I get to go through all their fanfare and stuff And that's the coolest thing, you know, I get to see that every weekend It's fun and I don't think of it as a job I think of it as you know camaraderie I get to hang out with guys, you know with my guys like you frame on and stuff and you know Whether we're doing AF or XFL or USFL. We're going through all the letters. All the Spring League arena sure arena want, you know all those things. Exactly So You know that that's the thing is just just enjoy every moment continue to enjoy every moment You know, I tell people all the time, you know, these spring leagues and stuff It's what people don't understand. They're fun, but they also have forced our families to be committed to even an extended Period of a football. But the coolest thing I like about the spring leagues is working with everybody across the country So you get to you know, unlike before to where it was, you know, discomforts does this is comforts up This and that's all you kind of knew man We know people from coast to coast working different conferences and getting no people and you know really growing the game And growing officiating the way it should be and I Just think it's really cool that we get this opportunity and we you know We get to sit down to show this podcast. I should say has expanded our opportunity to get to know people and Man, I knew you were great beforehand, but we never talked about, you know You fostering kids and you being the you know the great man that you are already knew that you were a great guy But man, that's that's really incredible and it was a great opportunity I know I've been chasing you down to get on the show. So I'm happy it finally happened You know, the angry man wasn't here people, you know, he missed out. We got to get on it, man Exactly, exactly because you know, that's our guy, but you know, he's big time in us now Monty You know, he didn't got we don't we gonna put it out there, you know, this gonna be he didn't got picked up now So all of a sudden, you know, he didn't got picked up and he he missing shows and stuff This ain't never happened before I'm to put him in put him in kneeling stadium in front of 110 and let them boo and see how he feels. Oh, yeah I can't wait. I can't wait, but Glenn Thank you so much for jumping on the call with this. We really appreciate you I look forward to seeing your career just continue to skyrocket the way it was and I hope our paths will continue to cross Down the road my friend and I'm moving forward Close out strong with the USFL season that's gonna close out for you and this show is gonna come after The championship game, so I'm announcing the big timer has been assigned the USFL championship games this year Starts out to Great opportunity go out there and crush it. I always had and thank you for coming on on the official house The next time you're traveling up the pictures Pacifico's highway Join us for happy hour at PCH Street salon and wine lounge the heart of the Pacifico's highway is in Lumpur, California Thank you for listening to this episode remember to please like and subscribe as the unofficial Lounge is available on all your podcasts streaming outlets including Apple Google Spotify and anchor we look forward to you Joining us next time in the unofficial lounge