UFO Researcher Details The STRANGEST Alien Encounters - Preston Dennett | DEBRIEFED ep 93

The phenomenon, what is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal? 100%. They are putting out a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. They really, really want us to know that we are not alone. I honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions. What does this mean? I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize because contactees will get the message. We are you. You are us. We are one. And I saw his face kind of just melt away. The nose got damaged. The lips. The head got bigger. The hair went away completely. And the message was, they are human. They have a different ancestry. They have damage done through radiation. I'm specifically fascinated by the Mantids cases. Okay? We'll have the small greys, the humanoids, the tall greys. But then way back here behind the curtain, you've got like these overseers. And he turns around. He said it was the scariest thing. They were sitting on these white kind of thrown like chairs, stone, on a dais. And he says, Preston, they were 15 feet tall. He was trembling. And they said, would you like to go to our planet? He said, no. I'm so mind-blown right now. I can see this kind of hole in the wall. And then I've been hurtling through space. Because I'm like, okay, I'm being. I'm being taken. This is awesome. It turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you. Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined today by a very exciting guest. I'm looking forward to having a conversation with. This is Preston Dennett. You might be familiar with Preston's work through his various amount of books. Preston's been a researcher for a very long time. And he also has a really, really fun, interesting YouTube channel that you should check out. Where he talks about these experiences, UFO encounters of all nature. And it's really just. You cover high strangeness a lot as well, which I'm really into. And you have a really good way of connecting the dots. And so I'm looking forward to this. My audience actually suggested to have you on multiple times. So I think they're really excited to have you on. Welcome, Preston Dennett. Thank you, Chris. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. This should be fun. This should be fun. I want to start. There's so many cases to go through, which I'm going to eventually ask you about. I want to go through a list of your top cases, your highest conviction cases, the high strangeness. This will be a really good episode for anyone who's looking to just get a broader sense of all the strange encounters that are out there. But I want to start with your encounter, or your encounters, I should say, of which there were many. And maybe you can start. I'll let you take it away. All right. I mean, it's hard to know where to start, because growing up, I was skeptical of all this, didn't believe any of it. In hindsight, I'm like, okay, there was that incident of missing time when I was about nine years old where I missed lunch. I was in my bedroom, and we're six kids in our family. You don't miss lunch, because they're not going to eat. And I missed lunch, and everyone said, we called for you. I'm like, I wasn't. I was in the bedroom. They said, no, you weren't. I always wondered about that, but never really put the dots together. And a few little things like that, but nothing I could sink my teeth into. And that all kind of changed once I started investigating the subject. And it turns out, this is a thing. They being the aliens, the ETs. It's called UFO investigators disease. Yeah. Ed Conroy coined that term. Because he started having contacts after investigating Whitley Strieber's case. Wow. And I looked at other UFO researchers. I'm like, wow, a lot of them have had this. And I was in the middle of an investigation of the Topanga Canyon UFO wave, 1992. And I'm over at my brother's house and my sister-in-law. And they're helping me through all this, because I was new to this field. And he had had an encounter. She had visitations by ETs when she was a little girl. It's in my phone. So they're helping me. And I'm like, okay, it's late. It's Sunday. I got to go home. I'm driving. You know, they were in Woodland Hills. I lived in Canoga Park, six miles away, maybe. I leave their house, going around this hairpin corner. Can't go more than five miles per hour. And I see what I think is a bird. This is, you know, almost midnight. It's not a bird. It's just a little ball of light. So now I'm thinking. Maybe it's a firecracker. It's July 1992. And towards the end of July, July 20th, thereabout. So people are still shooting up firecrackers. And that's where I went. This darn thing comes down and hovers right in front of my windshield. Like a foot away. I mean, much closer than I am to you right now. Whoa. How big was it, roughly? A little bit bigger than a ping pong ball. Okay. Not big. And what color? White. White. Soft white. Hard edges. And it's hovering and kind of wavering slightly. This thing goes back to the edge of the windshield all the way to the other side. Back to the other side. And then stops right in front of my face. I'm like, okay, it's intelligent. It's not a reflection. Because, you know, your mind starts. I'm stopped. I'm gripping my steering wheel. And this thing scoots forward, almost touches the ground and goes straight up. And that's the last thing I remember. And here's the weird thing. I didn't remember this. I completely. Completely forgot about it. Out of my mind. And for, I don't know, four months. And then one day I'm just sitting there. I'm like, huh. I remember seeing this. It just triggered randomly while you were just pondering. There was no cue or anything. Like often people will say, oh, no, I just remembered it. You know, I'm sticking to this. This, this did happen. I'm now convinced I had missing time because I don't remember driving home. I would have turned around. I'm like, Mark, Christy. I've seen this or right. Yeah. That's definitely not something you can just move past. Right. So that was 1992. A big year for me. I had a sighting with my brother and sister-in-law a month later up in Crater Lake area. This light's blinking on and off and we're clicking our flashlights at it and it's responding. And then I joined C-SETI, the group with Stephen Greer, and we started calling down UFOs that same year. And it just rolled out from there. I started having sightings. Pretty regularly. I'll tell you a couple of really good ones. I was heading this meditation one year. This was probably 94 ish. And we're all sitting in a group. There's five of us. And I just start getting, we're all, we're all meditating. Our eyes are closed. This is in Topanga Canyon. Pretty beautiful hotspot. Yeah. And I started getting this message. Look up, look up, look up, look up, look up. I'm like, I'm not looking up. I'm meditating. You know, I'm trying to call them down. But this is not the time. This message just wouldn't shut up. Was it audible? No. No, it was just an impression? Yeah. But it started getting stronger. I'm like, fine, I'll look up. No sooner did I look up, there's this dot of light high in the sky, star-like. But it expands, expands, expands, expands. And it's, I hate saying this, but it covered like a third of the sky. Oh my gosh. So this is not a shooting star. It's like someone pouring milk on the top of a glass table and you're looking up. It's just, it's man. And, you know, later talking to Dolly Safran, she's like, oh, that's a light gate. That's ETs coming in or out. Which makes sense because that same night, one mile away, I ended up interviewing this couple who saw this major craft literally just over the other side of the hill. Same darn time. So that was a good sighting. Wow. A couple more leading up to my major onboard experience. I'm driving home from a friend's house. San Diego to LA. And I start to see this object over the freeway. This is a 405 freeway. Never empty. And of course I'm maneuvering. Everyone's going 70 miles an hour. I'm like, what the heck is that? Because I know this route. I've done it a hundred times and it's very low cloud ceiling. And there's this giant globe of light right over the freeway. Like, I don't remember that. And I'm so kind of coming closer and closer to it, looking for, you know, some sort of attachment of the streetlights. And I'm right under it. I'm like, okay, holy crap. This is something. I got a message. It said, your niece has just been born. How crazy is that? Turns out that's my sister-in-law who had a major face-to-face encounter with grays. Her son had a humanoid encounter and a sighting. So they're kind of carrying on the whole ET gene generation. Yeah. But that was a weird thing. Yeah. And it kind of ties in. And was he? Yeah. She was born. Whoa. So how did you find that out? Did you call your sister and were like? Oh, when I got home, I'm like, Alex, she was born, right? Yep. My brother had a close-up sighting. That's what got me into this field. Yeah. Can you tell me about that? Because that really left a mark on you. It did. Because I was a skeptic. I'll never forget November 17, 1986. Because I'm watching the TV news. and you might remember this state, Kenju. to roachie yep jal airlines yep huge case yeah massive case yeah which the news just joked about yep they're like oh yeah this guy thinks he saw you one of the most credible sightings too none of that was in the news report it was just joking tongue-in-cheek now of course we know it's got radar and they were followed for an hour and so forth 96 was an interesting year too i think was it was um this was 86 oh it was 86 okay not 96 yeah okay that makes more sense yeah yeah because i was like 96 it feels a little late for for that sighting but that yeah that makes more sense i was 21 years old yeah and that got me to remember oh my brother mark came running in the house when i was 13 i saw ufo and i'm like no you didn't the stars are too far away you're deluded i was i bought the air force you know party line hoaxes hallucinations misperceptions mental illness yeah you're all crazy that's right mass hysteria yeah and uh then i went to mark i'm like okay tell me again and he described this amazing sighting with his two friends was it a disc or a ball of light it was a classic flying saucer wow little lights around it dome on top silent treetop level they chased it down recita boulevard for 15 minutes passing other cars this thing would wait for them they'd get real close it would dart ahead whoa i get up to it dart ahead it was playing coy yeah so he's telling me all this i'm like mark you're what it's like call phil and greg his friends you know them i did call them and they confirmed it added a few more details so that knocked down the wall for me opened the door and i found out my sister-in-law had sightings she had a sighting over van nuys air force reserve base three months later saw greys walking by stag street elementary school what in daylight no this was around midnight she went for a walk to collect an abandoned shopping cart she wanted it and walking with her little dog sarah and sees these two kids standing right in front of the school under the floodlight she's like well that's weird they look bald you know then she's thinking do they have masks on this is summer it's not halloween she walks about 10 feet away from them they turn look at her like that and she said it was like being woken up when you're awake because these were greys she didn't she didn't use that term this was before you know people were really talking about this she described the same thing yeah she's an artist eidetic memory she's going from top to bottom i'm like she says the almond eyes the wraparound eyes the the giant heads i had her drawn for me like mouths so i'm like oh my god so that that was it by then i knew they were real and i had all the books i could get my hands on and but you didn't suspect that you had anything to like i mean because at that point you just thought oh these are all just like unconnected disconnected coincidences but i mean there's clearly something there if your whole family is well the first thing i did was like have i ever seen a ufo no i never have and it took me a year or two to like remember that incident of missing time when i was like nine you got with a ball of light get this my brother my sister-in-law is sitting next to him on the couch and she's like what's that on your arm and i could you could palpate this thing it was a little stick like object right under his arm hard yep and you could you could see it if you pressed on it so i took him to a mufon field investigator who's a doctor the guy's eyes went really wide he's like oh my god we need to x-ray this you know you could remove this and my brother mark instantly clammed up and i'm like gosh no when someone's within a couple of hundred feet of a ufo i now know that's a huge red flag a distant sighting is one thing but if you're close up red flag you mean what do you mean by that probably a more extensive encounter right there's probably something else that followed or preceded it right that was more direct so i'm wondering i mean how did that get in his arm and is it related i can't say for sure but it disappeared because the sighting he had with his friends right it was pretty darn close to him and i've come to realize it's no accident yeah so it's in my family i brought it up at work that was a huge mistake because the lady i worked right next to she's like oh yeah i mean my whole family saw one my daughter she had these things come into her room you know you should talk to her it just happened like just happened you're kidding she's like yes it was ongoing as i just got involved in this field well one of those weird synchronicities and in walks dorothy who you would love she's so you know outgoing punny and she's like oh ufos want to follow me home from the library we live five no ten minutes away the weirdest thing preston we left at nine o'clock right when the library closed it followed us home we saw it dart away and her friend carol turns looks at the clock says dorothy it's 10 15 where did the time go so i'm like dorothy you were abducted she's like what because you know i learned to be a little bit more reserved from i was young but how many people have you interviewed in in your career i mean i've talked to thousands upon thousands formerly a few hundred formerly and by formerly you mean people who um have had direct con et contact who would allow me to record them yeah and you know let's do a full-on interview with you that's official several hundred yeah and with all of that you've been able to map out a clear or at least a pretty clear picture of what's going on i think so so what's the uh what's your gestalt on all of this where where do we start here how do you see the phenomenon what is it we're interacting with are we interacting with more than one thing and what's the goal according to you these are questions i want to know these are loaded questions i know it's i know it's a loaded question but answer it as as you see fit i would you know i can give you the floor well i know there's all these theories people you're like oh it's a phenomena it's an intelligence that wears different masks i don't subscribe to that uh that's the jacques valet sort of school you don't subscribe to no i i know that there are little people you know fairies and gnomes which i think are real i don't think they're ets personally i don't lump all this phenomenon into one thing i don't think they're time travelers from the future i don't think they're time travelers from the future i don't think they're future i scoured the literature i have no cases that really speak to that uh so they're certainly not demonic i know that's a very popular explanation so i dove into all of that i mean i became a paranormal researcher ghosts demons angels exorcisms levitation all of that stuff personality even yeah they have missing time that's right so i looked into all of that no i don't think it's demonic i honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions psychic abilities and things like this but they're all humanoid almost without exception you know i'm expecting aliens to have tentacles as a skeptic and you know just the blob or something sure and that's not what we're seeing we're seeing bipedal some look just like us yeah so what does this mean you know i think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize and that certainly comes up in contactee accounts because contactees will get the message we are you you are us we are one that exact phrasing i've heard that probably a half dozen times exactly that but something along the lines of we share a common ancestry we're not that different we used to look just like you the grays uh yeah i actually had a you know what they call a download once uh which i always wondered about people are describing their experiences it feels yeah nebulous a little bit yeah i'm not quite sure what you mean because you can only understand so much through words but i was just out of my mind trying to figure out who are these grays and i was lying there in bed just thinking about it and then it's hard to describe suddenly it's like a vision just pouring into my mind a lot of knowledge all at once and what they showed me was a human male nice looking guy suddenly the next frame is he's losing a little bit of his hair and it started going real fast like a deck of cards image after image after image and i saw his face kind of just melt away the nose got damaged the lips the head got bigger the hair went away completely and the message was they are human they have a different ancestry they have damage done through radiation that was the message i got but grays are human that's my personal message so that answered something but not all of them though no but before i get into the whole agenda or you know what i think's going on can i tell you my own experience please yes yes we skipped over that yes absolutely this is something okay yeah i didn't know i didn't know this um and you know i've watched some of your videos i'm reading your books and i'm getting familiar with a lot of your work but i guess one thing that's something that i'm not familiar with is that you're not familiar with the this is your own onboard et experience and so you shared this with me over dinner yesterday and i was i had a visceral reaction to this i was literally dumbfounded now i mean it is the craziest confirmation for me for you that you could ever hope for as a ufo researcher you got to go on board a ufo yeah it's funny people think well he's he's a ufo researcher you know he's making it up i can only tell you what i experienced and like i said i think if you get involved in the subject you i was circling around it they were circling around me where did this happen physically and recita was it a remote area no no there's two million people in the san fernando valley i it's more densely populated than all of wyoming i mean there's and where were you when this happened i was in this little house in recita 800 square feet house on one side another all completely surrounded and i'm in my bedroom i'm dreaming you know just a normal dream blah blah blah and then i wake up you know and i'm fully awake now because i am being pulled through the wall i can see this kind of hole in the wall i'm like okay and then i've been hurtling through space and here's the weird thing i recognize this feeling i knew that this had happened to me before it's a very electric feeling a mild electric shock is this anything like an out-of-body experience no i mean really i've had a lot of obe's that's what that was my next question because i i know you you've mentioned this last night as well and i being a little familiar with out-of-body experiences having had a few of my own i know that there is an objective difference between a dream and an out-of-body state like it is it is objectively different but there are subtle similarities as well because you're in this sort of wishy-washy weird mind state but you're completely losing and you're you can look around look at your hands ask yourself questions you can touch things like it's it's very sort of real but there is a dream-like quality to it i don't even like using the word dream because then people jump straight to oh must be a lucid dream it's not it there's a difference but you're saying that this experience of you being pulled through the wall was different from that as well was it more real um when you're obe there it's the environment almost seems more real i mean it's super vivid and as you progress with it that dreamlike aspect kind of goes away and you really begin to get a control of what's going on really where you go what you can do so it's dreamlike in the beginning but it starts to really okay get more clear and this was different it was different oh yeah i mean i don't know how to describe it but i felt like i'm flying through space in my body in my body i'm so mind blown right now is it closer to this reality or closer to the obe reality or closer to like something else uh it's a little different okay i mean it is a little different from just walking around yeah okay obviously but i wouldn't equate it to the obe okay good to know um because it felt physical i mean i could feel it and i this was 30 seconds of me flying through space that's a long time because i'm like okay i'm being taken this is awesome i remember this happening this is crazy i hope i get to stay with them this you know this is what's going through my mind because you know after i had that missing time experience i did start to recall some of what happened i remember being on a craft and they were showing free energy motors and the wall peeled back they showed the milky way i saw how they pull up water into their craft well they'll sit you in the pilot seat and fly you around these are kind of dream flashback memories that i pulled back by just meditating i never did hypnosis i'm kind of interested in trying it but i really wanted to do it the way i always recommend people you know write it down meditate work with dreams betty hill she remembered her whole encounter by just dreaming about it yeah so at any rate i'm flying through space i'm like this is great i am loving this and suddenly i i didn't see the craft i'm on a table and there's this very tall woman standing next to me and she's like i'm flying through space and i'm like looking down at me she is rail thin snow white jumpsuit huge blue wraparound eyes tiny little nose tiny little mouth very tightly curled blonde hair very short and just really nice and she's looking down there's little guys around me but i'm not really looking at him and i'm trying to get up and she puts her hand on my chest like no no we need to make sure you're fine i'm like i'm fine i've done this let's go no no no we we need to check you out first and i'm looking around right like this is a there's the round room there's the walls this is insane i've talked to so many people and here it is happening to me this is my birthday by the way this is my birthday this is 2022 yep may 6th so only four years ago yeah it's the ultimate you know because i you know how long i wanted this this is insane i can't i can't imagine i've wished for this i'd be i'd be out there at night come down i'm ready and it's happening are you saying yourself it's happening oh my god it's happening i did have a gray i think once coming to my bedroom scared the living daylights out of me i woke up i'm like because i thought i felt a cat walking across my bed i don't have a cat you know there's something deeply ironic about spending all this time talking about surveillance and data leaks and black projects encrypted apps and then carrying around a phone that's connected to a carrier that's basically farming your information 24 7 because traditional carriers like at&t 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and use code area 52 to get 33 off your first six months you can also download the cape app on apple app store google play and is now available on the crescent store too thank you to cape for sponsoring this video and i opened my eyes and there's something standing next to my bed that's real thin and it darted out of my room like nobody's business my heart went oh scared the daylights out of me i didn't get up didn't investigate i've talked to so many people who were like no i didn't do anything i'm like what i get it now yeah i get how people can completely forget a ufo encounter because i've had this so i'm on this table and finally they let me up and so i leap literally to my feet this is a very low table and there is this very tall gray who i instantly recognize now you're going to be talking to dolly saffron she's a contactee i interviewed i wrote a book about her case and she describes this tall gray that she calls mama and that was her i knew instantly there's a weird knowing you know they communicate very effectively telepathically she's seven feet tall if not eight and she's seven feet tall if not eight and she's seven feet tall if not eight and ten feet away and i go right to her because she is the most beautiful creature i've ever seen she is a gray i mean the big eyes tiny little nose she's full on et not like this other lady who was clearly a hybrid she looked human half human yeah half human uh but and she's wearing this kind of smock and i'm looking up at her and she tilts her head leans forward and telepathically so is this what you thought it would be like and i'm like well i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not like no this is so much better this is amazing and she kind of chuckled she was amused i'm like can i explore go ahead which is so i'm looking around we're in a 50 foot wide room round and any features on the walls there was a row of windows all the way around were there archways i didn't see any okay um there's probably there might be some stuff i don't remember sure but what i do remember is going to the other side and looking down at the earth which is round by the way and i'm estimating we're 500 miles up from looking at because i'm like how high up are we it wasn't a tiny little globe off in the distance no yeah you're still in the orbit yeah and i'm like wow look at that this is insane and so i turn around and i go to the center of the craft where there are two rows of people standing and they're in a daze they're out of it i'm like well that's weird you know there's a black guy a lady so different ethnicities so i go up to this girl hey, my name's Preston. What's your name? And she's just, not there. No. And I wanted to like shake her and like pick up. Lights are on, but no one's home. I realized probably, no, don't mess with her. She's, and I turn and I look and there's full on grays. He's kind of five foot tall. And that one made my heart leap up a little bit because they look different. How different? They don't look friendly or do they look? I don't know. It was different from mama who's just, they just looked really alien. Oh my gosh. You know, they're just, I don't know. It's hard to describe. They're typical grays. Yeah. But it's like, oh my God, I'm here. Jumpsuits? Yep. What color were they wearing? Gray. Gray jumpsuits. I can see why people think they're naked. I don't think so. Oh, you think it's just like a skin type. Oh, I see. Because people aren't seeing, you know, the anatomy that is there, I do believe. Right. Under certain light conditions. Oh, you believe they have genitals? Oh yeah. Okay. I've got reports of it. Yeah. It's, it's rare, but, but yeah, I've been, I saw this lady, you know, I think she's Korean. I worked with the Korean girls, looked just like her. Don't think it was her, but she's fully conscious. She's like, whoa, wow, look at me. And she's over by the other side. So I walk over to her and I'm about to ask her, you know, what's your name? You know, I'm Preston. I want to verify, you know, this is. Yes. Yes. Can you get a last name? Anything? Cause that would be like something else. I mean, that would be one of the biggest cases ever. Right. So I'm about to, you know, say, Hey, when they dropped the ship, you know, when we're like 500 miles up, down to the earth in a second, literally one second. And I'm looking down at this view and there's these little symbols that's overlaid over the window on almost like Google maps, kind of. Yeah. These are like squirrelys and. Alien symbols. I don't know what they mean. Uh, but we're suddenly right down or 10 feet above the, and the craft rocks like this. Like it's on a wave. Yeah. And I could, I felt that. Like it's on the water. Yeah. Cause I didn't feel any thing, you know, like when you're in an elevator and you're weightless. Yeah. Didn't feel that. But the craft itself was behaving though, as though it was. Yeah. You hear about this, obviously, you know, um, one of the more famous cases being the Chuck Clark video. And, and, and the craft sort of oscillating. I look for that when I interview someone. Mm-hmm. And you saw that, you felt that. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. It was so cool. And then boom, we're going, we're back up. And the next thing, so I turn around and I, cause mama is calling, she's like calling to me, the tall gray. She hands me a cup like this, but half the size and it's thick. It's a thick glass tumbler. Hmm. And there's, there's this green liquid. I'm thinking, okay, I wrote an article about this, alien drinks. I know what's going on here. I don't, well, I don't know completely, but there it is, the green liquid. And she's like, go ahead, drink it. I'm like, okay, I trust you. And I sniff everything. So I'm like, hmm, don't really smell it. It's thicker than water. It's almost syrupy. Okay. And, uh, light green, dark green, light green, translucent. Looks like it was, ooze. Yeah. Like the Ninja Turtle ooze. It was maybe three ounces. It's not a lot. And that was the same liquid that Dolly had described as well. Yeah. I've heard this from a lot of people. Well, the same tumbler even. Right? Um, well, I asked her about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause in, in symmetry, she writes about the tumbler as well being thicker. And so that stuck out to me. Yeah. Huh. Cause it's, you're getting all this confirmation. It's different though, you know, because you get this idea in your head of what people are, people say, oh, the walls are rounded in my head. I'm thinking it's an egg. No, it's not like that. It's the floor is flat and then it rounds up. Well, this came down like a dome. I've had other experiences though. So that I recall, I mean, once I found myself on board, this is a memory, right? And there was a little table and there was this tall, tall white. I could not focus on his face. Wouldn't let me see it. And he said, do you want to see the other room? And they showed me what looked like a power source. That's what he said it was. And it was just slats kind of in a metal thing. And my vision was going in and out, but he pointed to the corner of the room and said, look there, they turned the wall transparent. We were underwater. Whoa. I'm like, oh my God. So I mean, I've got quite a few of these kinds of things, but. Let me ask you about the transparent wall. Yeah. Because that, is a recurring thing as well. Whether it's Bob Lazar talks about that in the craft, the wall going just transparent and becoming like some type of screen. I've heard another guy, Jesus, who was from Spain, who talked about this as well as he got a tour in the ship, which looked, you know, again, disc shaped by these human like entities. And they were showing him around the walls just disappeared. Like they were, but there is also the, the Aztec craft was rumored to also have that through high power. Powered a test, high powered voltage that it would go. I suspect we have this technology and so, but a lot of the reports were that it wasn't completely see-through. Was this completely like it wasn't there. Yeah. It's not like looking through glass. It wasn't like looking through like some fuzzy. No, no, it was clear as day. You'd think you could stick your hand through it. Okay. I mean, it was empty. Understood. But yeah, we were underwater. I didn't see anything but water. I'm like, wow, look at that. But so when you're back on this craft and the mama calls you towards her, you, you didn't get the other lady's name. No, I didn't. Do you kick yourself sometimes? I bet you do. Yeah. I, I, I would have stayed with them honestly, because there was a feeling they're like, no, one's going to lie here. No, one's going to kill me. I don't have to pay money. You know, it's a different place. It's like advanced. I'm like, wow, I felt at home. Really? I unbelievable. It's just a different feeling, but she's like, okay, drink this. I'm like, okay. And I took a sip and I could taste it a little bit of Kiwi, a little bit of lime. That's the closest I can get to it. Sure. And you know, it wasn't bad, a little yellow, sour. And she takes it away from me. I'm like, Hey dude, I thought you gave me, this was mine. And she's like, okay, you want another sip? Go ahead. She looked at me like I was insane. I'm like, no, really. I'd like another sip. Uh, and I did. And, and I just blacked out. I'm up in bed, snap of fingers. I'm back in bed. So I asked Dolly about this. I'm like, they gave me the liquid. What is this? This is to prevent, you know, it helps with radiation exposure. It's kind of a medicine nutrition type thing. So you have radiation, you're exposed to radiation on the craft. Apparently. Yep. Through them perhaps, because they might be radioactive themselves. Yep. Partially explains their physique and their, you know, why they look like the way they do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, it's really, it's really, you know, they do. Yeah. Dolly can go into more detail about that. Yeah. But that was my onboard experience. The best one. Fully conscious. Whoa. A birthday present. Intentionally, by the way. Four years ago, man. Yeah. That is like, cause you hear about a lot of these cases. And when people describe them, you go, yeah, but you were nine, or you were seven, or you were four. Do you know what I mean? And, and, and after time, it, not that it has no merit, because I think it does. It's just that, They have a hard time, you know, sitting on 50 plus years of like memory and being like, you can't count on that. But this happened four years ago. There is no way that that is just some weird like memory trigger. That is objectively you were researching UFOs and aliens and ETs and then you found yourself on board. Did you have your memories of your previous encounters unlocked after or prior to that? Prior. Prior. I worked hard at it and I had lived a lot of meditation. I need to remember what happened during this missing time. This is driving me crazy. And I started to remember. How many, do you meditate still regularly? Yeah. What do you use? Do you use like HemiSync? I tried HemiSync. I didn't like it. Yeah. It felt like it was forcing the out-of-body experience. And to me, it feels like it should unfold naturally. And I didn't really need it. At that point, I was already doing it pretty regularly. You were already leaving your body. Yeah. Yeah. Which coincidentally, and perhaps not coincidentally, happened at the same time I started doing UFO research. And interviewing so many people who've had contacts, I'm like, oh, yeah, I started having out-of-body experiences at the same time. I'm like, okay, click, click, click. Dots are connecting here. This is blowing my mind. I never talked about, you know, I'm doing a lot of research and people would say, oh, you've had your own encounter. I'm like, yeah, I saw it. I saw this orb came down. It took me a while to even realize that was a missing time incident. Yeah. Because I'm like, God, I don't remember driving home. I've had a lot of sightings. I'll write them down. I'll tell people. No, that one slipped by me. Very strange. Very anomalous. Yeah, that would stand out. Because it's easy to say, I don't remember something because, you know, we don't remember most things. But when it's something of that nature, something that you're studying, that you take so seriously. You would remember that, you know, so for you to not remember it, that would stand out. yep um going oh sorry go ahead okay you want to get to the et agenda now well before we do i mean yeah you want to circle back to obe's a little bit later because i want to i definitely want to dive into there because i have questions of my own as you know i'm exploring this space as well i love the obe's i could talk forever on those so let's talk about it um we can save the et agenda for a little bit later i feel like i feel i feel like there's not much we can do about it anyways um the obe stuff is is really interesting as you know i explained to you last night um i had two spontaneous out-of-body experiences back to back um a month after interviewing um joe mcmoneagle where he talked to me about out-of-body experience i up to that point i had never heard of it and it wasn't even in my mind when it happened like i had no idea when people said astral travel or out-of-body like i had no idea when people said astral travel or out-of-body like i had no idea when people said astral travel or out-of-body like i had no idea when people said near-death experiences that's where my head went and i was like okay people floating in the hospital room seeing their body that is as far as my head goes when it happened to me i i was just i didn't even know what was happening when it happened it took me like several days to be like was that what i was experiencing like an out-of-body um but like you said like i was researching this stuff when it happened to me um and so that's really strange but then even stranger is i remember remember and i documented this as i was meditating for months trying to leave my body trying to have that epic adventure um willfully doing it instead of some accident you know and when it finally happened i was so excited i couldn't see anything everything was dark i was just i knew but i knew i was out right there was the vibratory sense i knew i was out and i remember in that sort of haze i wanted to go to paris for some i was like paris paris paris but as i said it my voice went like i can only describe like deep like the devil it was like paris paris it was like the darkest and it scared the crap out of me hearing my own voice i said this to you yesterday at dinner and you go oh yeah me too that happened to you you had the same in the beginning yeah in the beginning stages that happened a couple of times several actually it's the weirdest thing i've tried to talk and come up like what the heck can i not talk i had a hard time in the beginning learning how to see yes how to move everything was fuzzy for me at first like low saturated almost like a black and white yeah for me how it unrolled was in 1984 my mom passed away 49 pretty darn young major heart attack devastated of course because i don't believe in life after death we never talked i thought everyone was skeptical of all this stuff some weren't they were kind of hiding but two weeks later i see her ghost her spirit at the service my dad's driving up in the car and i see her sitting next to him and drives right up i am right there and she's you know she's got a great posture she's always you know telling sit up straight and i had people on either side of me of course and i'm looking at them and they're not saying anything and i'm not going to say anything i don't believe in this i think i'm hallucinating you know i've never taken hallucinogenics i've never really hallucinated so that's what i'm thinking because i can see her full color and she kind of pixelates away i'm like well i've lost my mind i'm clearly delirious with grief this is my secret i'm never telling anybody because you know it doesn't look good on me yeah and that's the first weird experience you know i did have a few paranormal experiences as a young kid but that's an aside well uh anyway about a year after she died i started waking up in my room because she would walk in and i thought i was sitting up in bed i'm like mom you're dead what the what is going on and she just kind of smiled and said it's okay you know i'm okay that happened 10 times 20 each time and then i would wake up for real so false awakening and now looking back i'm like oh these were probably pre-lucid or obe's that i wasn't clicking to and it got me interested in dreams lucid dreaming which i pursued and couldn't really do it and then i found robert monroe's book like i'd like to give robert monroe a big thanks here because he really helped me a lot his book uh journeys out of the body i love his books yeah same but i read his book i'm like wow this guy did it he's clearly honest mapping it out i'm like this is crazy this sounds a little scary actually but he's like you can do this all you have to do and he gave little exercises relaxing and stuff like this meditation i'm like okay because that's the kind of researcher i am i'm like i went ghost hunting i i saw ghosts you know i went bigfoot hunting i had a bigfoot experience you know i'm looking for ufos had those i'm like okay obe is this is something i can stink my teeth into i can do this uh because it's a natural human talent you know this is not something that only yogis can do anyone can do this it's a natural human talent can do this and he gave the exercises and i doubled down i meditated an hour a day and immediately my dream recall doubled and tripled and quadrupled i started having pre-lucid dreams i'll never forget my first actual ob i'm i go into my room i'm a little depressed a lot's going on you know i'm in college my car's not working i've got this ufo thing i'm trying to handle and now i'm like you know just still dealing with my mom's death and so it's a lot going on for a young man i need to move out at this point because you know i'm still living at home so you know a lot's going on and i lay down on my stomach and all of a sudden i feel the vibrations robert monroe talked it'll be a mild electric shock it was mild i was absolutely sure i had stuck my finger in the light socket next to my bed because i was being electrocuted and uh suddenly there was this pop and i flew out of my body i'm flying on control out of the room across the hallway and into the bathroom i finally managed to stand up and i grabbed the counter and i'm looking in the mirror there's nobody there i'm like i'm out of body this is real there is life after death this is amazing it's a whole in that one second my life changed and i got so excited whoosh right back into my body there was someone in my room by the way some five foot tall maybe four foot like who's that what my vision's so cloudy i can't see and i'm you know horizontal and i dropped back into my body i jump up like feeling really good now look i did it i'm doing this again yeah so i did that the next weekend same darn experience third time i wake up and i'm standing next to my bed in the middle of the night i'm like oh i'm so dizzy you know what's going on i'm disoriented and i shake my head i'm like oh okay what am i doing standing next to my bed and i look down and there's my body i'm thinking i'm dead i died this was probably not a good idea i dive back in and i had to wiggle into my body i'm like oh my god this is taking where's my arm it scared me yeah it did and i woke up and i almost forgot it i came that close to forgetting it but from that point on i'm like okay i'm in i'm all in i'd pop out i'd be like i did it whoosh right back in yeah it took me a year to just relax enough to calm down i'm like oh my god i'm dead i'm dead i'm dead i'm dead i'm dead i'm okay and then i would be floating in the middle of my room like a spider i'm like this is not working finally i learned just think i'd go through the door or the ceiling fly up over the house i slowly explored learned to get farther away from the house and i wanted to see my mom is what i really wanted to do because this is why i wanted to do it is there life after death and eventually she came and we hugged and it was the most amazing you can imagine and eventually you know i popped out like mom where are you you know i'm here meeting you halfway where are you and she appeared looking young and you should see me out of body you know i'm mostly bald i had great hair when i was young i used to get compliments and you know i worked out i'm buff oh man i look good if i say so myself how do you know that you look good you can see you're like oh yeah and you can create a mirror yeah oh you can make one oh yeah you can create anything you want once you get good at it you can just the thoughts are things you can create it's like instant manifest yeah that's how i felt too i when when it happened to me it was a little scary it was very scary it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life um the obese because there is a clear uh a sense of careful what you think about it yeah and and it was like i i knew that instantly and as soon as it happened to me the first thought was i want to go into a ufo and see an alien this is the first thought that i had but it was such a micro second and right away i was i negated it i said no no i'm not ready for that that's too scary and i knew that if i did that that might have happened and so that realization hit me within like a fraction of a second that careful now whatever you want you're gonna get and if it's good or bad, you're going to get it. And so I was like very cognizant of this. And I describe it as like walking a tight rope of fear of like, I just got to stay on this tight rope. And I literally one foot in front of the other, I'm, I got blinders on. I do not want to look over there for fear of seeing something I don't want to see. And I'm just walking straight and narrow and talking to myself being like, oh my God, it's happening. Okay. Just calm down. And just, I'm doing this. And, and, and, you know, as I told you, I heard, I hear this like female voice being like, what are you doing? And that just skipped. Disconcerting. Did not want to hear that. Please don't talk to me. Um, and I went right back to my body and that was the last time. It's safe. You should know. I mean, it's as safe as sleeping. You're doing it every night. I know that though, but there's the difference between that. And then as soon as you're in and it's like, and you're in the upside down and now you're like, oh my God, it's, it's, it's terrifying. Um, well, it's called the emotional body as well. And your emotions come in full force. Yeah. When I say I was excited, I'm kind of down. Yeah. I was beyond excited. And when you're afraid it, it's biofeedback kind of doubles, doubles, doubles. And you're like, ah, yeah. And I would get really angry. Sometimes I was ready to wreck the place. Whoa. I would get overcome with lust and I can go into that, but it's too extra. Yeah. But I dealt with that and I would create feasts. I get hungry. I would create feasts of food. Always the same. I'd create chick, my favorite foods, chicken nuggets, brownies, sour cream, onion, potato chips, Neapolitan ice cream, a glass of orange juice. And it would just all appear. On a table. And I just gorge, which disappears right around here. You can't get full. So I can kind of understand what, you know, a hungry ghost is. That's a term or people who would die, who are addicted to something. I was just, you cannot. Can't feed it. You cannot satisfy it. Hmm. But I got through all of that. Eventually my mom took me to the other side where it's more beautiful than words can describe the green sparkle. Everything sparkles. It's all radiating light from within. Uh, you can't be in a good mood if you wanted to. There's no way. Uh, it is literally, you know, I'm not a religious guy, but it's the heavenly realms. I'll take that. So you can't be in a bad mood if you want to. Right. Okay. No, no, there are lower realms. I've explored those. Okay. Those are dark. So you've done quite the explorations. You've done. I've gotten good at it. I bought every book I could find. Uh, this became a big part of my life. It's like discovering a whole new world. It's like you, once you're in, you're in like, this isn't, I don't know why everyone isn't doing this. It's the same feeling I had when it happened to me. I was like, I need to tell everyone about this. It would change your life. Yeah. There's, and I think that's part of like the, the Monroe protocol too, right? Robert Monroe had this, was it called like the T that 1000 or something like that, or the M 1000 or he, he wanted a thousand people or 10,000 people. I forget what the number was to experience an OBE because he believed that if you had an OBE, if everyone had an OBE, there'd be no more wars. Yeah. Um, and I believe that I truly do. If everyone felt that feeling, it changes the lens with which you view reality. Yeah. It exploded my psychic abilities. I started having telepathy with, I knew what people were thinking at work. I'm like, you're lying to me. I could hear them talking. No, they'd be talking to me. They're thinking something else. And it gets garbled. I'm like, what did you just say? Because I'm hearing something else. I mean, it's crazy. I started having precognition, dreams that come true, visions, driving to go to the, get some money for out of the bank. Right. I'm like, God, this vision is coming to my head of someone standing in front of the ready teller. And he's a 60 year old. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm going to go to the bank. And he's a six foot tall guy in a leather vest, bare chested, long hair down to here. And he's whipping it around like a maniac. What the heck? You know, why is this coming to my mind? This is insane. And I come around the corner of the bank and there, of course, he is right in front of the ready teller doing exactly what I saw. I'm like, okay, I'm not going, but I got the message. I'm not going to get cash out of that ready teller because this guy was dangerous, clearly. But a it's insane. So it ramps up your psychic abilities. And I'd come back. I'd, I'd feel what people were feeling. I had to be careful. I couldn't watch violence on movies. Um, it was just too much. I felt that way after the Monroe Institute, after coming back from spending a week doing the gateway process. Have you, have you been there? No, you should go. I would have loved to do it at the time. I didn't have the time or the money. Yeah. I'm pretty sure like, because you're in this field and have an audience and everything else, you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to they would probably like, I don't want to speak for them, but I'll speak for them. I'm pretty sure they would, they would do it for free. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think they should anyways. Um, I think you should definitely, because I, I feel like you would be also cause there, there are teachers and stuff there too. Coaches. I feel like you'd have a lot of input based on your experience. I teach people how to do this now. I've got a little two page guide I put together. Really? Oh yeah. Can, can we link that for the audience? Cause I'm sure a lot of the audience is going to be really into that. I always tell people just to email me, Preston UFO. Easy to remember gmail.com. Perfect. And it's two pages. I've really narrowed it down. There's ways to do this of your, of your steps. There's only four obstacles preventing people from doing this fear people. It freaks them out. Skepticism. Oh, I don't think I can do it. Ignorance. They have no idea. You know, it's applied knowledge. That's all it is. And laziness. I tell people the steps and they don't do them. You do these steps. I almost guarantee you will start having I can't guarantee it. Of course. But yeah, some people have a steep learning curve. They're really afraid. Uh, others I've told people like you can do this. Come to my seminar. They come to the seminar. I already did it. You know, all you have to do is even know about it sometimes. Yeah. So, but it's, I can't recommend it enough. You can visit your past lives, enlightened masters. That is crazy. Healing temples. Oh, the stuff you can do is just crazy. Secret school. Kind of classes to do telekinesis. And there's all those superhuman powers. You're there. You're flying. You're doing telepathy. You're doing telekinesis healing. That's a big part of it. I was taken to heal people occasionally. Uh, like real people. Yeah. People that were like in hospitals and stuff. One was my sister, a couple of people. I don't have no idea who they are. Um, I started, were you with anybody when this happened or were you alone? Oh, they guided me. Yeah. I'm almost always alone by the way. Oh, Robert Monroe. He's got his guide. I'm like, what the heck? No. Occasionally I would have guides, but usually no. And they brought you to heal people. Now that's interesting because you have a whole, you know, your, was it your first book was the 300 cases of, uh, healing extraterrestrials. Um, it's very fascinating. It was 100 in my first book. I reissued it because I found every time I'd speak, this is more common than people realize. You're going to get a lot of that after this. I guarantee you, you're going to have, you'll have enough to write 10 books after this interview. Um, there's going to be a lot of people I'm sure that are going to reach out with these stories. Well, the healing is absolutely, and I can say this hands down. This is not speculation. It's a part of the ET agenda. This is why people are being pulled on board for one reason, certainly. Cause if you're going to get on an onboard experience, you're almost certainly going to be examined. And this is so scary. For people. I understand these are aliens and you're like, Oh, I can't move. What's going on? This is crazy. Evil, evil, evil. Well, actually, you know, they're saying to you right now, don't be afraid. No harm will come to you. First thing that every time people are taken on board, they will say that without exception. Uh, and this is when people, if you're panicking and you're in complete fear that you're probably going to have missing time and that's all you're going to remember. And yeah, it's a negative experience and you can call the ETS evil. Actually, I've interviewed, you know, a hundred and hundreds of people, about 5%, three will say, Oh, they were evil. They, you know, they were there to hurt me. The very worst I hear is this exam occasionally painful because, but you can touch a person and if they're afraid, ah, you hurt me. You know what I mean? So I think one of the main reasons that people are being on board is a physical checkup because they will often heal you. I, one of my first cases, a lady was healed of an ovarian or a cyst in her fallopian tubes. Well verified. She had went to the doctors and they're like, Oh my God, you had an operation. This was the day before she was supposed to have her operation. Grace came to her room. And so she goes to the doctor and like, well, we can't find the cyst. It looks like you have had an operation. Where'd you go? She's like, she played dumb. Uh, and, but they said, well, there's fluid here in your fallopian tube. We know you've had an operation. This looks like a laser scar. And the God, this is not the only healing case I've heard of. Whoa. Cause there's Jacques Vallée had a very famous case of a medical doctor in France was healed of a ax wound on his foot and partial paralysis in the Algerian war. I instantly thought of that. Police officer, uh, that's Robert good. And, uh, deputy McCoy, Damon, Texas. They're driving in their patrol car. UFOs there sends down the beam of light, heals him of, a wound on his finger. His son's baby pet alligator had bitten him and healed it instantly. I'm thinking of all these other cases. A case in Brazil of a little girl healed of cancer. Ralph and Judy Bloom wrote about a case of a Peruvian customs official who was on his veranda. UFO, shine, sound, and beam of light. Cures him of rheumatism and, weirdly, myopia. Nearsightedness. Crazy stuff. So I started, I'm going to write an article about this. Because I've got my own case, and here's a few that, you know, this subject hadn't gotten any attention, really. There was one article written before mine that was by Gordon Creighton of the Flying Saucer Review. And so I found that. But I found, like, 30, 40 cases off the bat. I'm like, wow. I can't write an article about this. This is a book. I dug in. I found 100 cases. Not 300. And I can tell you this, almost every major research out there has cases. David Jacobs, he's not thrilled with the ETs. You know, fine. But he's got a case of someone cured of diphtheria. I found her case, and she's like, well, he misrepresented it a little bit. My encounter was actually really nice. She loved it. So there was some fitting it into that threat narrative on David's behalf, you think? Yeah. I mean, I love him. He's a great researcher. Anyone who enters this field, kudos. I'm very happy to see that. Because he helped a lot on this subject. But Hopkins, he never wrote about it. I cornered him in a convention. I'm like, Bud, do you have healing cases? And he's like, well, actually, yeah. We've got quite a few, and I'm really encouraged. You know, this shows a good side of the ETs. Yeah, that's. Let's see, John Mack, Barbara Lamb, Yvonne Smith, Edith Fiore, Tim Beckley, Brett Steiger, I mean, Michael Hesselman, already six-killer. Clark, you name a researcher, I bet you they have a case. If they're focusing on the onboard experiences in particular, they all have them. And orbs, too, just coming in and healing people, and in hospitals specifically, there's a lot of cases of that, of just these orbs coming in over people and just healing them. Insane. Yeah. Any UFO researcher who knows an encounter can happen anywhere. Yeah. Crowded suburb, doesn't matter. But in a hospital, you're kidding me. I found about 10 to 15 percent, maybe up to 20, took place in a hospital room. Really well-verified cases, some of these. Yeah, multiple sightings, like multiple people, multiple witnesses. Yeah. And so, yeah, I can see how easy it is to conflate that with miraculous religious events. Yeah. I see how that ties in, and I see why. Maybe some researchers might be a little reticent or reluctant to want to discuss the healing stuff, because it does seem to cross over into the religious dogmatic spectrum. You know, we look at cases like Chris Bledsoe, a very famous case as of late, and clearly some healing elements there, not only with the ETs, but specifically with Chris himself. Yep. Not unusual, by the way. Not unusual, yeah. We had Eric Danstiel, who was here, who said that him, as a child in the hospital, healed another boy after an encounter with an orb. And so, yeah, I can see why people would be a little pulled back from that topic. Well, look at it this way. When this subject became popular, most UFO researchers wouldn't even touch the humanoid cases. That was, took a while to bleed into mainstream research. Right. You mean like the Space Brothers type? At all. Yeah. Donald Keyhope wouldn't touch humanoid cases. No, right. Which, you know, I understand, it was a new subject, and the last thing you want to do is bring in the woo. But crash retrievals, no one would touch those either. And now it's the forefront of research. And really the heart of the UFO phenomenon is, to me, first-hand contact cases. Same. Because that's where everything we know, let's face it, about ETs comes from one source. And that's the people who've seen them. I don't trust the government on this subject. These recent disclosures, you know, what, three days ago, I looked at the films, I'm like, really? Yeah. They're lackluster, at best. You know, let's see the Air Force, uh, what was it, Edwards Air Force Base landing, Cooper was there when it was filmed. He saw the film. They have that. Let's see that. Yeah, the Holloman stuff, yeah. Come on. Yeah. When Bray and Moultrie, the heads of the defense guys, said, oh, we know nothing about Roswell. Malmstrom, what's that? Come on. Yeah, exactly. You know, you're the heads of defense, and you don't know about the Bob Jacobs. You got the Bob Jacobs video, like, all that stuff. Where's that? Yeah. I haven't gone through all the files, but I looked at the films, like, I knew it. I predicted this. Yeah. We're gonna see more fuzzy dots, and we did. Yeah, pictures and videos of, uh, amorphous objects behaving, like, behaving prosaically. Um, the files, some of them are interesting. I went through them, but they're mainly, uh, just sort of, some of them are interesting, I gotta say, because, like, they expound upon, they expand a lot of the cases that are out there already. The Lonnie Zamora stuff, so there's, like, his whole thing. But then there's, like, you know, the guy who he radioed into, and, like, so it adds a little bit more to some of these cases. Um, even there are, I think, four other people around the same time that Kenneth Arnold had his sighting that recorded discs prior to Roswell, right? So, um, it's all in and around that area. I think that was pretty cool, but, again, like you said, I'm not holding my breath. They promise more, but that's what their M.O. is. They have gun camera footage. Yeah. Like, we know this. If you talk to Frank Faschino, his book, Shoot Them Down, that kind of lays it out in black and white. You know, they've got plenty of footage that we're not seeing. Yeah. I mean, we've seen footage from these aircraft of missiles that are clear as day, that are, like, the best footage you'll ever see. It's 8K footage. Yeah. I mean, some of these whistleblowers I was talking about, they've seen these footage. Where's that? Yeah, and they talk about how there's symbols on the craft that they can read, and I'm like, well, you've got to have pretty good cameras for that, and sure enough. We're not seeing that. Yeah. Either it doesn't exist, they're making it up, or they have it and they're not sharing it, right? Yeah. Well, here's the way I look at it. You know, we think of the government as three, you know, separation of powers. We've got judicial, we've got legislative, we have the executive branch. That's not the government. The real government is the intelligence agency is the military-industrial complex. I'll name names. I think it's the energy industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry. These are the folks I think are behind it. That is the government. And the highest levels of the military. That's who's running the one percenters. Yeah. There is a cabal. There's no doubt in my mind. So those are the ones I think who are behind the cover-up ultimately. Yeah. It's very hard to pin down, you know, because you can't use the Freedom of Information Act on these folks. No. No, and there's a rotating door of this sort of fraternity of these people where they're in and out of these positions into another one. They go from, you know, one government contractor, they go from Northrop Grumman to SAIC to like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. In these, they're just constantly rotating doors at the top and very few, very few of these people. One president, you know, I think there's some people in the loop who are within government. Oh, yeah. Who are bad actors. I think you have to be. Yeah. If you're controlling this. But I don't know. It's, it's, that's not my specialty really. Yeah. I'm more into the whole contactee thing. I am as well. But I can tell you for sure that healing is part of it. And here's what's also really interesting because the UFO phenomenon was, it's historical. We know this. It goes way back to, you know, ancient India. I mean, stone carvings. It goes back to when we recorded history. And you can see this all the way through the Middle Ages and upward. The Romans called them flying shields, so forth. We know it goes way back back. But 1947 something changed. And this coincides, of course, exactly with the atomic age when this huge super wave sweeps across the U.S. And people start getting pulled on board. And we can pretty much predict what's going to happen when someone's taken on board. They're going to be physically examined. And if you don't freak out, if you can just remain calm, they will talk to you. And almost always Thomas Bullard outlined this. He was the first guy to really study 300 some cases, and this is what happens. And he's absolutely right. They will give you a tour of the craft. Every time. And it's the coolest thing. I've had it. I've talked to a lot of people. They will take you down to what we would call the engine room. The UFOs don't have much in them. But they will show you this, you know, how they fly, or what powers their craft, which is almost always something to do with electromagnetics, free energy, anti-gravity, harnessing the magnetic field lines of our planet. People give different variations of this, I think, depending on their own understanding and what they could grasp. But that's absolutely probably one of the first things that happen. Then they'll take you to what I would call the observation deck, the side of the craft. And they'll open it up. And most people will see the Earth below. Or no, the first would be a star field. They'll show you the stars. Then they'll show you the Earth. Then they'll show you the Moon. Got a a number of cases of people shown which is so cool it's a very recognizable planet but they will take you even to other planets so that's pretty consistent i would say that's the best word yeah but then they show you something else a lot of times i mean there's there's all kinds of things that can happen they i mean you know from from what i've gathered too is like almost without fail you'll be shown or told something like terrible like a lot of times there'll be images of like yeah very bad things happening to the planet well that's the next thing the conference is what thomas bullard called it and they will start often with your own personal life like oh you're going to meet this person you need to move from this area you're in a good place um you need you know to do this do that or this is going to happen to you personally and then they will start talking about the world in general and yeah the messages are incredible consistent four main areas and i don't care if you're talking about greys mantids little blue beings tall whites strange humanoids of all kinds because there's an endless variety of what i would call ethnicities i'm not sure they're different species uh personally because the ets will say it over and over again that's one of the messages we are you like i said you are us but they will the first thing nukes they don't like them they say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of and they say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of and they say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of and they say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of and they say that we are damaging areas that we're not even aware of we're on the pathway to self-destruction this is a bad idea they know where all of the bases are all the missiles they will almost always mention the dangers of nuclear proliferation in any capacity nuclear material and beyond that it would be war and aggression they're very much concerned about how we treat ourselves and each other pollution and the destruction of the environment those are the three main areas right there greed and corruption that does come up also but basically and this is very encouraging to me because people are like oh they're evil they're evil you know they're trying to take over our planet i'm like i don't know this seems to me that they're much more concerned about how we're treating our planet ourselves each other because that message is very consistent and if you're a full-on contactee almost certainly they're going to sit you in the pilot seat at some point and like would you like to try it or let's go for a ride they are going to sit you in the pilot seat at some point and like would you like to try it they seem to be very interested in elevating people's i'll use that word elevating enhancing encouraging people's psychic abilities because it's a rare contactee that isn't having mediumship precognition astral projection remote viewing healing you know the whole spectrum and here here's something really interesting that kind of shocked me because i'm looking at these healing cases i'm like all these people are being healed oh come on i could use a healing millions of people out there are dying you know why aren't they being healed you know why don't they just hand over the technology of course that would be a huge mistake we weaponize everything and everyone got healed well we already have a problem with population control uh but okay who's being healed who's being healed and why who's being contacted and why well we know it's generational that's absolutely established and uh there's a random aspect too if you're driving down a highway late at night opportunistic almost ets there's so many people who've had that and it's a one-off for them which is so rare because most people if you're being taken on board you probably had experiences as a child but i was interviewing this lady from norway she heard about my healing research she's like i gotta tell you what happened to me it's the craziest thing i was in my bedroom and grays came through the wall i could see this blue light outside she said it was so scary they flipped me over like a rag doll she was screaming at them like what are you doing here didn't answer maybe she was in a lot of fear because i think they will talk to you but if you're in fear it's you know hard to communicate you're not hearing it yeah but uh she says that they put this thing on my back and she described it you know what like a lint remover looks like a little handle with a cylinder i've heard people describe this and that's what she described she says they put it on my back and i felt this pulse of energy and they filed out through the wall she ran to the window and the blue light winked out so a short experience three five minutes and i'm like okay and she's they healed my back i'm like oh i've got i've got 20 cases of back healings right stomach aches cut fingers colds flus everything from cancer to liver disease kidney disease arthritis yeah name it diabetes tuberculosis uh pretty much this long list that's growing i mean they're gonna they're gonna come from light years or wherever to heal someone's back okay i mean they are so whatever but she describes this i'm like okay let's go through the list no because there's 20 questions i ask people well more but you know main things to see if you're a contactee childhood experiences nope do you have you know light sensitivity have you seen orbs ufo is missing time no no no no she had none of this i'm like okay this is odd she's not showing the markers of a contactee And so I'm like, okay. I started asking the hard questions as I got better at this. Do you do drugs? What's your political affiliation? Just random questions, looking for patterns, because that's my specialty. I love finding patterns. And finally, she's like, well, you know, I asked her, what do you do for a living? And she's like, I was a graphics artist. I'm like, well, that's kind of interesting. I've interviewed quite a few artists. But she says, actually, you know, I'm retired. And I don't want you to use my name because I'm pretty well known in my community. I worked as human or human and animal rights activism. That instantly rang about because I had just interviewed Reverend Michael Carter. Don't know if you're familiar with him. He's pretty well known in this field. He's written some books, had experiences. He was healed of a blood clot in his leg, a dangerous condition. He was awarded by President Clinton, I think, for his work against racism. I thought, oh, my God, there's John Hunter Gray, social worker. He had a major healing event. I started clicking, click, click, click. Jacques Vallée's case, that was a medical doctor. Ray Hernandez had a case involving a doctor. Nurses. I'm like, oh, my God, okay. People who are doing good work for humanity in some capacity, these are the ones being healed. They're healing the healers. Yeah. Well, I mean, let's see. I found doctors, nurses, writers, teachers, police officers, artists, musicians. They love musicians. They love musicians. It's crazy. But animal rights activists, environmentalists. I interviewed this couple who was in Sedona. They said, no, we weren't abducted. We were invited on board. They were human looking. There was nothing in the car. You know, all the stories you hear. And she asked, he was healed of a carpal tunnel syndrome and a bad knee. He was a postal worker and did too much walking. I'm like, okay. She's a herbalist, herbal healer, and he is a social worker. They live on Hawaii, and he helps out. And she asked him, like, why don't you just come down and fix everything? I'm like, we can't do that. You have to solve your own problems. Heard that a million times. Same, yeah. And they said, well, why did you come? And they said, well, we're helping those who help others. We can only intervene to a limited degree. And like one lady, she had a car accident. The ETs told her, well, you basically died in this accident. We're healing you. We can't heal everything because some of these are karmic. You chose this. As a lesson? Yeah. Oh. So that might be why some people are being healed and others aren't. Right. I don't know. Yeah, maybe a bigger plan. But there's a lot going on here. You know how many rabbit holes there are in this. It is astounding. But nonetheless, I think each one of them deserves all the attention. And that's, you know, part of the fascinating thing about this stuff. It does seem like a giant untapped well of information. And it's exciting, but it's also kind of disappointing, you know, because as researchers, we're like, no, there's a sea of information here. There's a lot. I can't go through everything. It's impossible. No. And just the magazines we were talking about yesterday. And those magazines have gold in them. Like, there's cases in there that were written down once and never, you know, to be spoken about again. And you would find some of the, you know, some of the answers you're looking for in these cases. And just to dig them up and to find them, it's so time-consuming. We were talking about David Marler and, you know, his, you know, UFO sort of archive. There's so much there, so much to look through. Not enough boots on the ground, not enough people doing it. People have no idea. The general public has no idea how common this is. Yeah. How much evidence there is. It's so common. It's funny. I heard a quote from J. Allen Hynek. One in 40 people have been taken on board. I'm like, no. You're crazy. Yeah. And I thought, well, I started surveying all the major researchers and, you know, was it Bud Hopkins who called it an invisible epidemic? And Jacques Vallée's like, well, you know, there's millions of cases. There's far more. So I wrote this article for the Mufon Journal called One in 40, which basically, you know, gave quotes from Whitley Strieber and all the major researchers. I'm like, this is more common than we realize. And it was one year later in 1991, the Roper. Mm-hmm. poll came out. Yep. Major polling organization. Yep. They found one in 50. Yeah. The editor of the MUFON journal wrote me back. It's like, you predicted this. I'm like, well, no, I didn't. But it was timely. But when I heard that, I'm like, God, I must know somebody. And mostly benevolent as well. Mostly like good experiences. Yeah. I mean, that's a tricky, very controversial. Yeah. I'm not going to gaslight someone who says, oh, my experience was horrible. How dare you say that this was for my good. Yeah. No, mostly good. Yeah. Yeah. By a vast majority. It's a bit of a mixed bag in the beginning. Yeah. Because almost always people will have some form of PTSD. Sure. You know, nightmares, insomnia. Yeah. It's difficult for people. It is very scary. But we're very fear-based on this planet. Mm-hmm. And what I see is a very set pattern of evolution when people, if you embrace your contacts, you know, and you really want to find out, almost always people kind of come full circle at some point. Like, well, I was healed. I did have a spiritual spiritual awakening. My psychic abilities are off the charts. You know, they gave me these warnings. I followed their guidance. And I've had a few people say, oh, this was horrible. I mean, one guy's convinced they're demonic. I talked to him. He was up what we would call my lab. He admits it. He worked at a Pendleton. Shame on those folks. That keeps coming up. People who went to Pendleton come out with a, not okay. And they hypnotized him. They gave him drugs. He had this weird reptilian experience that I still don't know if it's true or not. Because he was a full-on great contact. Wonderful experiences. And those are the people who are targeted by these nefarious government folks. Into believing that it's evil. Yeah. So, no, I don't think that they're here to hurt us, harm us. I'm not going to say this is all puppies and rainbows. Because people will come at me like, oh, you're an alien apologist. I'm like, no, hold on a second. I'm trying to be very objective. I'm reporting the facts. This is what people think. This is their experience. I'm not putting words into their mouth. You know, if you look at my books, they're largely quotes from the witnesses. Because I want them to tell their story. It's not my story. It's theirs. So you think the MyLab stuff, which is like, you know, the militaries, for those of you wondering, it is the military pretending to abduct people. Um, but with a sort of evil ulterior motive, um, basically psy-opping people into thinking they're being abducted by evil aliens. That's like the whole MyLabs thing, right? Yeah. I thought it was pretty rare. I'm kind of starting to realize like, this could be a bigger problem than I originally thought. There are many cases of military involvement with some abductions. Yeah. Like, you look at abductions, they're like, oh, they took us to a field where we'd play and with these guys, these other kids, but there were guards around with guns. And you go, wait, what? Like, with ETs? Like, that doesn't make any sense. It's really hard to unpack some of this stuff because, uh, that's another question I'll start asking people. Do you have military in your family? You know, is anyone in intelligence? Is there a military base? There's a pattern there. A little bit, yeah. But if, I don't know, a lot of people have military in their family. That's right. I have relative, my great-grandfather and my grandfather and my great-grandfather were current colonels. Hmm. No, from that point, well, my nephew, he's in the military, so. Yeah, but intelligence seems to be one of those things. Like, whether you look at the story of, you know, Harold Malmgren, which feels like he was kind of guided into these synchronistic sort of moments of his life, really key moments, where he then found himself at the right place at the right time, you know, and then I think a lot of people who are contactees are in the intelligence, and I think that's intentional. Yeah. I'm part of the ETs to sort of perhaps do what they can. From the inside. Yeah. It's interesting, that lady I told you about at work was like, oh, my daughter's having encounters with greys, so I talk to her sister. You know, I like to dive deep. You need character references. Yeah. Her father's in intelligence. Will not say what he does. Never did find out. The wife doesn't know. Nobody knows what he does. Hmm. So I wonder about that. You wonder if, ugh, there is a dark side of this stuff that's unfortunately very human. Yeah. I'm worried about the government folks more than the ETs. It's, yeah. Let's face it, the ETs have been around forever. Are there evil ETs out there? Probably. Look at us. You know, we're not that great. We're living beings on a planet. Are they visiting us? I don't know that I believe that. There are, remember the Brazilian face peelers? Yeah. The Brazilian face peelers, but also, uh, Calaras. Yeah. I'm wondering if that's sort of a precursor to the false flag. Hmm. Some of this. Because, you know, we are flying this stuff around. Yeah. From what I understand. Uh, but if you look at, uh, like, major waves of sightings in France, 1954, huge wave of sightings, landings, humanoids. If you look into the timing of that, I started looking into the timing of UFO events. Dolly, she's like, you need to really start looking at the dates of some of these incidents and see what's going on in the world. So I started doing that. That's when we were allegedly discovering anti-gravity. CERN was put into place right in that area at that time. Hmm. This is, to me, a huge message. The Topanga Canyon UFO wave, June 14, 1992 to 94. June 14, 1992, there was an environmental summit meeting in Europe. Um, the, remember the Farmington wave, St. Patrick's Day? Oh, yeah. Right by Aztec. Yeah. Yeah, 200, a fleet of like 200 saucers. I looked that up. That day they announced that they had just discovered artificial radioactive element, California. Whoa. Okay. That very day. Are these connected? I don't know. Well, I mean, could be. And I think it's interesting too because I think it was that Howard Menzel was like right at the scene immediately, which for me is a big red flag when you're like sending that guy around to like say, oh, it's St. Patrick's. Donald Menzel. Oh, Donald Menzel. It's right now Howard Menzel. Yeah. And they send him along and then they go, oh, yeah, everybody was drunk. It was St. Patrick's Day and that was Mylar balloons that were exploding in the atmosphere for two days. You know. A big one releasing smaller ones. Yeah, exactly. A red one. And yeah, very strange. I spent some time with the Ramseys. Love them. Yeah, they're amazing people. I love them so much. They spend so much of their own money. Half a million dollars and more. Half a million plus just researching. People think, oh, you're in this for the money. You know, I got a few, a few books out there. I'm not rich. Yeah. You know, some do. Yeah. Whitley did pretty well with the communion. Sure. But he was, the timing of that was perfect. Yeah, but when you look into researchers, like, first of all, the Ramseys make their money elsewhere. They got a root beer company and they got like all sorts of. I work full time. Are you kidding? Yeah. And so, but the work that they did was so substantial and they're coming out with a new book. They're, I think their final book, but like, they keep adding to it because they're like, just more stuff that keeps coming out about this case. And Frank Scully wrote about it and they, God, they debunked him so bad. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that was a good book. It was. Yeah. A lot of Easter eggs in that book. And William Steinman put UFOs over Aztec and proved that. Is he there? Yeah. Gebauer and. And Newton, Silas Newton. They were absolutely framed. Yeah. He got it down. I'm like, oh my God. Oh yeah. And people, people are like, no, those guys were like snake oil salesmen. You're like, no, they weren't. They were very successful, actually. One of them was like a real estate tycoon and the other one had like oil money. Like they had a lot of money, these guys. It was a very effective method to quash any research into crash retrievals. Yep. And thank God for Marcel finally coming forward and Stanton Friedman breaking that story. Yep. Because that opened the door for, there's a lot more crash retrievals, I think, than even within the public, the UFO community, people realize. Definitely. If you were to, if you were to name like five crash retrievals that you think absolutely happened without a doubt, what would they be? Well, Roswell. Yeah. And another one connected to Roswell. Yeah. Aztec, the Paradise Valley crash. I wrote a series of books about various states, you know, California, Arizona. They all have them. Yeah. Colorado. Kingman. New York. Kecksburg. Yeah. There was one at Greeny Mountain in Colorado that Chris O'Brien looked into. Really? Raises a lot of questions. Somebody died over that one. Oh, really? He committed suicide. Yeah. I think it happens a lot more than people realize. There's some really interesting California cases. There was a case up in Salinas, I think, in 1947 where this tiny little saucer and they called it the Air Force and they scooped it up and we never hear from it again. Hmm. So there's a lot of these little smaller ones. Like you said, these magazines have these jewels in them. I subscribe to the UFO News. The UFO News Clipping Service. Thank you, Lucius Farish and Rod Dyke because they really helped, I think, for posterity to save these cases. And that's been very helpful in my research. But, yeah, this is a lot more common than people realize. MUFON and NUFARC are receiving for years, you know, 10, 20 cases a day. Talk to any UFO researcher and they will tell you most people don't report. Yeah, that's right. And I'll be very generous in saying it's 1 in 10 because it's closer to 1 in 100, honestly. So, Well, times that by 100, 10, 20 cases. - Yeah. a thousand cases a day. Yeah. And you don't have to look further than just like your own entourage. Go out and talk to somebody. They'll all of a sudden admit to you something so insane. And like you go, wait, I've known you forever. My father, before he passed, he also, you know, he was staunch like skeptic for all of this stuff. And he was military. But he was like, nah, you know, very sort of, I don't know. He had a kind of jarhead mentality. It was just like army, you know, get up, train. Which I understand. Do the thing. Yeah, he's been to war. Exactly. You know, he's done all the wars and stuff. And then, you know, he sits me down one day and he goes, I was talking about John Mack to him because I always talk to him about this stuff. And he'd always kind of just go, yeah, I don't know. He doesn't like engaging with it, you know, kind of. Yeah. And you know the type. But I'm very pushy. Yeah. Especially with my dad. And I'm like, no, dad, listen, this happened. This is proof, you know. And I was talking with John Mack and he goes, and he's very sympathetic that day. And this was towards the end of his life. And he goes, maybe one day I'll tell you about what happened to me. What? Right. And I go, hold on, tell me now. And he goes, and you can see he was a little shaken up by it. And he goes, okay. And he goes, when I was around nine, I was on a paper route in Montreal, downtown, and delivered a paper route. And he goes, I was on a paper route in Montreal, and I was delivering flyers to apartment buildings. And I remember it was like noon. It was a beautiful day, summer day. And I opened the door to the apartment complex. I put the newspaper, the flyer into the, into the post, you know, boxes, mailboxes. And he's like, when I went outside, it was pitch black. It was like 11 PM at night. He was like nine. So he had no idea what the hell happened. He doesn't remember anything. So he goes home. He, you know, suffered a savage beating from his father because his dad was like, you know, where have you been? And he thought he was lying. Cause my dad's like, I don't know. I can't tell you. And he tried to beat it out of him, you know? And my dad was like, I still don't know. And so he's like, that's, he's like, never looked at it since, you know? And my dad had severe PTSD, like from war, like very, very severe. So I know a lot of people, when they heard me say that story, they were like, ask me if he wants to be regressed. I'm like, not a good idea. I'm like, not that guy. He does not. He wants to be repressed. This is generational. There's a sign. Very interesting. Man. Oh man. Yeah. The whole missing time aspect. Parents out there, if they're listening, listen to your kids. Cause how many people have I talked to had an experience as a young kids? That's when it starts. And we're pressing was a dream. Yeah. Maybe not. Maybe not. Another agenda. These ETs are up to. Yeah. I was going to circle back. To the agenda. Cause I feeling it's not just healing. No. What else we got going on? A hundred percent. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. A put what? Yeah. What do you mean? Okay. I'm on board. They, this, they really, really want us to know that we are not alone. Simple. And you can see this because people, you know, the amount of sightings is off the charts. I started, I put out a challenge on my YouTube channel. I'm like, name any town, any place on earth. I don't care how obscure it is. One guy tried to fool me. He's like, I'm going to stump you here. Name this town and the Arctic circle. I can't even pronounce it. It's an Eskimo name. Yeah. I found a case there. Wow. I've got a list of over a thousand, uh, locations from viewers and I'm going on the list. I've worked about, 200, not quite. Check, check, check. Every single one of them. People are trying to stump me like, well, this town has 200 people. There's a couple who have stumped me, but I'm not giving up yet because I'm pretty sure I could, but yeah, I'm finding a case in every single one of these places. So what does that tell you? Either, I mean, first the main takeaway is it's a lot more common. It's all over the world, but why are they doing this on purpose? I think so. Because what we see, oh, across the world is every five years or so, maybe three, maybe seven, there will be a major UFO wave. Huge. I mentioned the French wave of 1954. On the heels of that, I just found out Venezuela had an incredible wave from, you know, October to through January of 1954 to five. I just did a whole outline of it. Really intense. Humanoids, the whole deal. And November, the second week of November, 1957, there was a rash of sightings and landings and car stallings in particular across the United States and the world. And here's this weird connection to world events. Sputnik. So thinking there, 1965 was a huge wave. Of course, the Phoenix Lights, Gulf Breeze, Wytheville, Virginia, Hudson Valley, Topanga Canyon, all across the world are these major waves. And it's often these little towns kind of near big city centers. But this, I think, is part of their publicity campaign. So you think it's deliberate that they're being overt? Yeah. Well, Frank Salisbury wrote the Utah UFO display. He termed, you know, invented the term UFO display. Because generally speaking, let's face it, UFOs are evasive. You know, they're not flying around any old time. Can't go outside and like, oh, then there's another one. So, but, that, he found all these cases where they were deliberately showing themselves. They're chasing cars down highways. Yeah. Or, or, or doing like incredible maneuvers for nothing. Like, what are you, what are you doing, doing this? Like, where are you going? You know, it really drove it home for me. I'm, you know, I do this full time now, but all my spare time was spent on researching, working full time. I'd do it on weekends and at night. And I heard about this case in Zimbabwe. I know you know what I'm talking about. The aerial elementary school case. Oh, that's cool. What a great case. Still one of my favorite cases where the UFOs land next to the playground. ETs come out, talk to a few of the kids. Oh, great case. Now we know there was a teacher who actually saw it too. She did not come forward initially. But I thought, God, that's interesting because there's that case in Australia. The Westall case, 1966, April. Right. I thought, wasn't there one in Florida? I had to look it up. Crestview Elementary. One month or one year to the day after Westall. And I'm like, okay, I'm onto something here. Broadhaven, Wales. I remember that one. Same thing. Landed behind the school. ETs come out. The kids love their drawings. It's so cool. And I thought, okay, there was that other famous case in Michigan. At the college, Hillsdale College. Now here's that. This is when it cemented it for me because I was looking into that case and I really dug deep. That UFO landed. Not a lot of people know that. This didn't just hover there. It landed by the school. It was there for two hours, 87 students, faculty, police saw it. This was there a while. This is another display. Jim and Coral Lorenzen, love those folks. They're our pioneers. I said, well, gosh, we've got a lot of schoolyard cases. We think this is preparation of some kind. Maybe they're going to openly contact humanity. Raymond Fowler, another hero. You know, the Andreas and Affair, Allagash abductions. Great, thorough, objective researcher. Love him. He's like, I have 15 cases. This is in April, you know, the 1966. He says, I have 15 cases so far this year. Eight. are over schools. So he noticed it. John Keel mentioned it. I'm like, well, these folks knew it long. No one's talking about this. The Voronis sighting as well in Russia. That was another one. Right. And so that was two weeks before Westall. Right. Oh, wow. They're saying, oh, it's going to happen again. It did. Yeah. So I started looking at this. I'm like, okay, let's dive deep. Because I had my own schoolyard, a couple of them. A kid was on a Catholic school in Hawthorne, and UFOs came down. He was taken from the playground. And I'm like, okay. I looked through the books. There weren't many cases in the 100 books I had. Well, let's face it, it's 300. But I started going through the UFO news flipping service, APRO, MUFON, NICAP, CUFOS, all those UFO reporting centers. I hit. Gold. I cried when I started discovering all these cases, because this slid under my radar for decades. I'd been a researcher for a pretty long time. And I found over 100 cases. It's now closer to 200 or 300. And this is so interesting to me, because these cases are daytime. They are coming down very low level. They're long lasting. They're putting on a display. Little craft will come out. They'll dart around. Get this. They are landing. And or humanoids are being seen in full one third of the cases. Whoa. How? You know, landings are relatively rare compared to sightings. Yeah, daytime landings on top of that. And half these cases do involve teachers. Half. Yeah. And, you know, some really interesting aspects. Half the cases are primary schools, elementary. Kids, you know, there's argument. Are kids good witnesses? Of course they are. Yeah. I think they're great witnesses. I think they're better witnesses than most. Yeah, what I love about them is they don't say, oh, it's an angel. It's this, it's that. They're like, well, it was this tiny. Yeah. And it was silver. There's two people you can trust to get the truth is a drunk person or a child. Yeah. And you can tell when kids are lying if you're their parent. Yeah. Certainly. But I found so many cases and they were such clear displays. There's, I don't know if you knew this, but recently I think George St. Pierre shared a story on his Instagram. George is a very famous UFC fighter, but he's very much into this topic and he started starting his own podcast. He recently spoke to Paul Trim. Ah, Emily Trim. Emily Trim's older brother. Right. Who was there. Oh, he was. And he was much older than the other kids. And he's got a story. Oh, God bless Emily Trim. So sad that she left us, but she went forward. She did. And I think Paul was always pretty reluctant, but I think he's. Kind of ready to talk about it. And yeah, so there's, I think there's something coming out there that that'll be pretty, yeah, I don't want to go too far into anything in case, you know, I don't want to break the story or say anything. I haven't talked to him, so I would love to talk to him, but I know that George did and Luigi did. Luigi has got a close relationship. He had a close relationship with Emily, you know, for a long time and Liesl. I still does with Liesl as well. Yeah. Who is another witness. And she was one of the two girls, you know, Emily and Liesl were the ones that, you know, got right up to the. Full on communication. Yeah, full on. Remember the messages they got? Yeah, same, again, yeah. Stop chopping down the forests. There's a good way to use technology and a bad way you could do better. Exactly, yeah. Is what Emily got. A big warning against technology, which is wild because in the 90s, we're like. Yep. In Zimbabwe. Like, what are you talking about, computers? Like, what do you mean? We're playing solitaire on these things. No, it turns out they were right. Technology was a problem and we're seeing it now. There was another case from Ray Fowler where this UFOs came down over, you know, some school in Massachusetts. That was his hometown. And it was during a football game. This was at night. One of the rare, rare nighttime cases. But a bunch of people saw it. It came down so low over this one woman, she soiled herself. Oh, my gosh. Blue Book called it Venus, by the way. Without doing any investigation. Like, Venus is going to make someone. You know, that scared. But that UFO went straight to the nearby college, three miles away, and scared the pants off of everyone in the quad there. There's a really interesting timing aspect to these cases. It is exactly like an artist or a book, you know, an author or a musician doing a tour. They go from city to city to city to city. It was a plan. Yep. It's very. The timing of this is insane if you started to look at it. And the locations. I'm like, okay, I mean, this is clearly organized. And then, and this is kind of a segue, right? But I started to look. I got this case at work, you know, because we had a high turnover in my office. Terrible place to work. I'm so glad I'm out of there. I was a bookkeeper, basically. I did a full charge bookkeeping accounting. And they would always bring the new employees to my desk. Oh, Preston's a UFO researcher. You've got a story. He wants to know. Oh, wow. How generous of them, though. Yeah. I got a lot of great cases from there. I bet. And Claudia Blasios had this amazing story where she was, you know, a young kid. And they were at the Paramount Drive-In Theater in 1972, I think it was. Southern California. A UFO shows up. I'm thinking, this is unbelievable. I've never heard of anything like this. Comes right down next to the screen. Classic flying saucer. Chrome. Making a whooshing noise. They first noticed it because suddenly everyone's dropping their drinks, their popcorn. They're running to their cars. Remember the old-fashioned speakers? Yeah. People were driving off and ping, they come right off. Oh, wow. That's how scared they were, right? And she sees their parents. They're hypnotized. They're looking at this thing. She's like, oh, my God. What's that? And they're like, they stayed there. You know, some people stayed. Some people left. They completely forgot about it. Didn't remember it at all. They didn't remember it at all until Claudia. And her mother were listening to the radio in the kitchen some years later. Some guy comes on and says, oh, I was at the Paramount drive-in and this UFO showed up and it was right next to the thing and this movie was on. And Claudia turns to her mother, we were there. Do you remember that? Why haven't we talked about this? Her mother's like, oh, my God. I don't know. So there's that weird something else going on here. I thought it was a one-off. Like, wow. Drive-in theater case. How crazy. How crazy is that? And then I'm doing UFO, you know, research for UFOs over Colorado. This book I'm putting together. And I found one case of UFOs over drive-in theater, Mile High Theater, Dr. Zivago is on it and this UFO shows up. And I'm going through all the databases and found another. I found three in a row. I'm like, well, that's kind of odd. I wonder if there's more of these. So, of course, I scoured the books. I found one. And somewhere in the sky is by, oh, God, what is his name? Such a good researcher. He's going to kill me. At any rate, there was one there. And I thought, okay. I was going through the databases. I hit gold with the UFO news clipping service. There's other news clipping services, the magazines, the journals. I found 100 cases again. My goodness. And this is just like the schoolyard cases in that they're putting on a display. Yeah, they're seeing a group of people, not too big. It is a controlled size of group of people, right? Because it's not a stadium. No, it's a captive audience, too. They're all kind of parked. Yeah. You can't get out if you're in the center. That's a really interesting piece of data. But these are at night, obviously. Yeah. But in almost every case, they come right down over the screen or either side. Pete Davenport, Newfork, had an amazing case at a drive-in theater. Really? Yeah. And I started looking into these. Same darn thing. They're there for a long time. They're releasing smaller craft. They're darting around. People flash their lights at it. It flashes back. It's insane. I have to tell you this case, because this one, I'm like, oh, God, here we go. Cover up, right? Right. Because none of these cases were ever declared unexplained by Blue Book. But they knew, and I found the proof. The terrorist drive-in. In 1952, Bakersfield, California, UFO shows up right over the screen. This one's cigar-shaped. They're usually saucer-shaped. But, you know, you get all shapes, eggs-shaped, spheres. Right over the screen, it flashes its lights at the audience. It came drop down, flashed the lights, took off. That one was quick in terms of the average sighting. There was 200 or 300 people in the audience. And back then, the press wouldn't ignore you if you were a citizen. Right. Right. Right. Right. But if you were in the military, they'll interview you. There was an officer in the movie audience. And Sheriff Leroy Hatfield starts getting calls from people who'd seen this thing. He's the closest police station to this drive-in. And after the fourth call, he's like, hang up. You know, I'm going to come down there. So, not thinking that anyone's going to still be there. But there's 100 people still there, and they're jibber-jabbering about this. And he gets 20 testimonies. And they're lining up. They're like, I don't want to talk about it. He's like, no, no, I got enough. I know what you saw. They're all describing the same thing. Wow. So, he writes up this report and sends it to the nearest airbase, which just happens to be Edwards. I found the report. It's marked ACTION in big red letters. And it was sent to three places. To the commanding general at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. Whoa. To the head of intelligence at Washington, D.C. Whoa. To the commander of Ent Air Force Base in Colorado, where we track incoming and outgoing traffic. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this. Because I found another case right after that. Same darn thing. They knew from the beginning that this was happening. What year was that? 52. Phew. And, see, this drives me crazy. Well, I mean, you know, we have proof that they knew. Like, I mean, even if you look at, you're familiar with the, what's his name? Wilbur Smith memo? Yeah. You know. Magic magnet. Clear as day. Clear as day in writing. You know, this is the minister of transport. He's got, you know, he's pretty high up in the Canadian government. Just got back from the United States and says, all right, number one, flying saucers are real. Get over it. Number two, oh, yeah, it's mental. The thing, the phenomenon has a mental, you know, component to it. And, yeah, number three, Vannevar Bush is, you know, ahead of this and he's working on. Like, we have in 1950. a clear outline that, oh, they're not only well aware of it, It seems to be priority right now. Yeah. And then he drowns. Yeah. In a lake under suspicious circumstances. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a shame. Yeah. There's UFO researchers who've met suspicious ends. Yeah. Certainly a lot of people. Whistleblowers. Mm-hmm. Dangerous thing. Leonard Stringfield certainly would talk about that. Yeah. Another hero in this field. Yeah, absolutely. I love those older researchers. Yeah. James McDonald, Leo Sprinkle, Jim Corleone. John Keel. My neck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's no shortage of cases from what I'm hearing. And not only are there no shortage of cases, something that I find more fascinating is that you've been able to really hone down on patterns. And those patterns then start giving way to a potential agenda. Is there anything else in the alien agenda that sticks out to you other than they're healing people that can heal and help the world? They are. They are displaying, because they want us to know. I guess the part of me that's a little conflicted is there is also what feels to be some type of horrible end for us. Oh, yeah. Right? Whether it's coronal mass ejection, whether it's atomic warfare, whether it's, you know, something. There feels. There's this doomer sort of. Looming energy that they're potentially helping us through or hoping that we realize or that we get to that point, right? But if that's the case, why bother saving us? Why bother giving us a light show? Like, what's the point if that's going to happen anyways? I think that they feel a sense of responsibility, a sense of altruism, perhaps. Why not? I think. In some ways, they look upon us as their children or friends. Certainly, contactees, a lot of them I've talked to, feel like, oh, these are my friends. These are my family. And if you saw someone trip down, are you not going to go and help them up? Most people will do that. I do think we're. This is a very common message. Again, they will show people atomic explosions. One guy I talked to, great case. Navy. We met at Kevin Cammon. I love his case because, you know, I got to interview him face-to-face. I talked to him over and over again. He had this very extensive encounter where he's on a Navy ship, right? 600 feet long. His bunkmate's like, oh, I'm a contactee. And Kevin's like, ah, sure. Sure you are. He's like, no, no, I am. You know, they've taken me around my childhood. I've been on their craft. They took me to their planet. He's like, oh, that's true. I want to meet your little green friends. Direct quote. He's like, I'll arrange it. I'll see. And so he comes back a couple. They're still on the ship, right? Somewhere in the Mediterranean. Or let me think. Outside the Bermuda Triangle. Okay. In the Atlantic. In the Atlantic. And this is like 78 thereabouts. Okay. I think. At any rate, he comes back a few days later and he's like, oh, they took me to your house. And Kevin's like, what are you talking about? It's like, oh, yeah, you had a shag rug. There's a milkshake stain on the backseat. This car, the colors of the curtains, all correct. 10 years before. Not now. So like almost a weird time travel aspect. They showed him his house in the past, but it was correct. So now he's thinking, what is this guy? Time travel? Is he CIA? What is going on? And his friend's like, well, they agreed to take you. So they'll be coming in a couple of days. He's like, okay, sure they will. A couple of days go by. He shows up. It's like, okay, they're on deck. It's your lunch hour. You know, it's. High noon. Their cabin is right near the deck, right? He's a clerk. I know his name. I've tried to look him up. I can't find him. It's an unusual name. At any rate, Kevin's like, all right. Not thinking anything, right? Goes up on deck and there's this massive craft. It says it was bigger than the shit it looked. And it's got flashing colors. And it's just the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. So he does what I always tell someone to do if you see you. You know, if you can get two witnesses, that's a credibility to your case. If you can get 10, this is a front page news headline, you know? So he runs to the mess cook, starts shaking his shoulders. Cannot get his attention. It's like he's not even there. And so he's freaking out. And suddenly he's looking down at the ship and it's getting smaller and smaller. And he realizes he's inside this thing. He's like, oh, no, I'm AWOL. And he hears this male voice that says, no, they don't even know you're gone. You're gone. So he's afraid to turn around now. I'll summarize this a little bit because I can talk. No, please don't. Please get into as much detail as you want. I'm riveted. All right. So he's afraid to turn around, right? He's seen metal walls. There's this console. Very primitive. You know, a couple of lights on it. That's it. It's almost like a Star Trek set. Yeah. There's just nothing in there. Like Herbert Schirmer type deal. Yeah. Well, not even that much detail. He had a lot of. Yeah. This is how people usually describe it. And it's kind of what I look for. Empty, right? Nothing in there. Because when they need something, it'll come out of the floor or whatever. Sure. And he said it was awfully high. It was like up to my neck. It's like, well, that's a little. And so he starts having this conversation with these folks. He's still afraid to turn around. Right. And two male voices talking to him in perfect, concise English, which, you know, they often do. They'll speak in your own language. Usually. And he starts asking all these questions like, where are you from? And he gave me. He said that a holographic Star Trek appeared and he could see the solar system and it shrank down and it just got bigger and bigger. And way off in the distance, this is blinking red light. And I said, that's our planet. And it's called. And I'm like, well, what is it called? And he gave me this. I can't pronounce it. There was a bunch of consonants. I'm like, well, just try. And he couldn't do it. I'm like, all right, fine. I asked him, how big was this room? And he gave me this. How am I going to explain this to this guy? He's not going to believe me. And honestly, it changed size. The room changed size. I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Here's a detail that I'm giving away this away. I shouldn't. But because it's kind of one of the things I look for because they can do that. And so he's like, well, you know, what do you eat? Are you going to eat me? And they're like, no, you watch too many horror movies. You know, we eat fish, we eat vegetables, we eat the same things you do. He said, did Roswell happen? Because he knows a little bit about UFOs. He wrote a paper as a young kid. And they're like, oh, yeah, Roswell happened. And they said, since you started exploding nuclear bombs, this started a countdown clock. And all these events will happen and you cannot stop them. And they showed him a window. And he said it looked real. He said it may as well have been looking out at actual reality. And showed him hurricanes, tornadoes, landslides, earthquakes, just a list of disasters. And they said, all of this will happen. You can't stop it. And this is because you've been messing around with nuclear power. And when you started, you really caught the attention of everyone out here. Which makes sense because that's when, you know, the modern age of UFOs began. He asked him about politics. They're like, no, we don't discuss politics. We're not going to go there. Which I thought was interesting. And so he's having this long conversation. And he's like, well, what do you look like? And they said, we're not little and we're not green. And sometimes our appearance will scare people. They said, turn around. And he turns around. He said it was the scariest thing because these were mantids. Oh, yeah. And he's like, they were sitting on these white kind of thrown like chairs, stone. On a dais. I've interviewed this guy over and over again. I finally got him on the radio. So there's a recording out there. Because he was very. This was the skeptic. Initially, right? No, he was. Yeah. I mean, he knew UFOs were real. Yeah. But the other guy who told him, oh, you're going to have. He was like, well, you know, brush it off. Poppycock. There's no way. Exactly. So now he's, you know, he's a military guy. He used. Is it okay to swear? Yeah. He said, I nearly shit my pants. Yeah. That's what he said. Oh, my God. And so, you know. Oh, yeah. A few more events happened. I did kind of gloss over some. They took him to his hometown in Kankakee, Illinois, and showed him his mother working as a school teacher, which she did. It was daytime there. So this the time wasn't quite aligning. She's riding on. She was at a religious school and saying right on. And the chalkboard phrases from the Bible and stuff. And then they showed him his father, who worked at a bank, looked through several rooms into the center of where he was having an executive meeting and tells him, your parents were good people. They did a good job with you. And he's like, what? You know me? You know, my. So this is really like, oh, my God, this is. They showed him as a little kid. Then they. showed him what looked to him like a bombing range he's thinking where is this is arizona what's going on but it was gray and then they come over the horizon and there's the earth off in the distance and that's when he said i nearly shit my pants because he realized that they're over the moon right now well told you they do this they will show people the moon so at any rate he turns around this is towards the end of his experience and they're praying mantis and one gets up off the dais and takes three steps and is right next to him and he says they pressed and they were 15 feet tall now i'm trying to talk him down because you know people can exaggerate it's very tall yeah he's six foot two or he passed unfortunately but uh he's like look at me you know you see how tall i am i'm like yeah uh he says they were more than twice my height you know it was like standing next to a basketball hoop and backboard yeah this thing's looking down at me and uh he's he was trembling you know his was a very benevolent experience they didn't even examine just scary yeah for all these reasons and they said would you like to go to our planet he said no okay i'm still mad at him and he said he said they reached out and grabbed his shoulder he got a really good look at their hands which weren't you know normal they were claw-like and claw-like yeah were they like um not so much like i've heard from other people you know like that because you hear that a lot yeah but they had very long arms he said and one sort of section here and one section here put their hand on his shoulder i'm like why don't you say yes he's like listen i felt like a bug next to them right i i thought i was going to end up in some alien zoo yeah or stew yeah and i'm like okay you know he's like you know this was scary you got to understand that yeah yeah i guess so uh you never know how you're going to react no i i mean i you'd like to think that you'd keep your marbles about you and your wits about you but the truth is that you're probably going to have a visceral terrifying reaction to whatever it is you're saying i never did you didn't but you also had decades of preparation you know not everybody has that knowledge overcomes fear every time yeah that's why i do this research people deserve to know i'm gonna i'm gonna share with you something though i want to share with you something that uh i'm not gonna well let me just end okay it's one more sentence sure yes he wakes up he's on his cot he's sweating he's hyperventilating his friend whips open the curtains like so how did you like your ride grinning from ear to ear he was furious he ended the friendship with this guy and forgot a lot of this he forgot a lot of the experience until he's watching a praying mantis show on tv and it comes flooding back and he said he said all these things and he's like oh my god i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die i'm gonna die these disasters you know a lot of them did occur including a motorcycle accident that they showed him and he thought he actually died in this accident but no he didn't he got a bad concussion they showed him this and he remembered it right as it happened but yeah he's he's a good case he's a twin his twin brother had encounters there's a twin aspect okay sorry i hope i didn't no yeah no this is super i'm uh specifically fascinated by the mantis cases um i mean the human looking ones as well all of them really but the mantis ones seem so interesting so interesting because they have this air of this sort of royalty about them for some reason like there seems to be purple cloaks sometimes yeah cloaks capes like they are they're always in the back they're never at the forefront like there seems to be like okay we'll have the small grays the humanoids the tall grays but then way back here behind the curtain you got like these overseers what seems like and i'm not sure if that's true but i'm not sure if that's true but i'm not sure if that's true what that is whether they're just like an older species a more ancient and wise species or like talk to dolly about this she says yes i it's it's the gestalt that i have from you know here i follow an account i think i only follow one account on tiktok and it's this one it's uh mantid encounters yeah and it's just that right it's just these encounters and i've had yeah they presented a couple of my cases really yeah i think it's so interesting um the one thing that is kind of with this is that first of all a lot of these cases with the mantis happen um psychedelically right and so it obviously puts like a negative filter on oh did that really happen you know are these just yeah do you know what i mean but but you hear a lot of that right these bug-like creatures um there's a case in montreal and it's a case eventually that we'll dive into on this channel as i'm working with the witness and um trying to so this witness had an encounter and called the police the middle of the night because her dog you know woke her up squealing like just giant dog big doberman yeah just like this weird sound she's like what the heck is that goes out dog's frozen like she starts taking pictures of the dog she's like this is weird my dog you know just like this in the kitchen 1 30 in the morning and her door was slightly ajar due to them they're like replacing the lock or something in their apartment and so there's the apartment complex hallway outside of that and uh and she she kind of sees like a figure moving and she goes what is that you know she's kind of intrigued and as she moves close to the door she asks it hey you want to come forward and she starts snapping pictures boop boop boop boop ends up uh seeing this thing maybe this tall very strange encounter the mantid it wasn't exactly a mantid so it's like i'll show you the photo and i don't want to put it up and the reason is i do not have permission um so i won't put it up um but eventually hopefully you'll see this i'm working with uh the witness now and who knows you know maybe this whole section gets cut but um she is she's trying to like talk to it in different languages in romanian in english and french and she's like trying to communicate are you good are you bad if you're good please come forward if you're not a demon like she's religious at the time and and um it comes and it starts like moving its mouth like this and it's it's got a big head um but she's like i don't know what to do with it and she's like i don't know what to do with it big eyes it has two things hanging here like meat she said um yeah yeah and arms like this with a separate set of arms oh and some type of carapace or some type of something on the back and it was like i've not heard that light skin with like dots like very strange and she takes a bunch of pictures and then she describes slipping into a dream she's like i slipped into a dream after this i woke up it's now four in the morning i've lost several hours she's not into ufos by the way at all like she's not she didn't want to be any you know what i mean that's got to be so shocking well so she was afraid but then she was also like she's like i was excited like a kid in a candy store at one point and she's like i didn't feel like my apartment even though it was my apartment she's like i don't know why it just maybe i was in the ship or something i don't know that's a psychological response i think yeah maybe dissociation and anyway she wakes up the dog's in bed the thing's no longer there and she's uh she runs and wakes her husband up and they call the police and the police and she's like i wouldn't call the police if i didn't have the photos she's like you think it was crazy you know she's and so she didn't want to talk about it for a decade because she's she's like oh there's a demon that's still a popular theory that this is demonic people will say oh you know well how come they go away invoke the name of jesus i'm like well if you came to me and you started saying in the name of jesus go away i'm you know what i will give you your i'll respect that that's a good point yeah um well by the way we're at two hours already we're just gonna keep going but whenever you feel like hey i'm spent let me know i could talk well that's not gonna happen okay well let's go i'll try to be good um yeah whistleblowers okay there's a few people i've talked to i'm like gosh we're not hearing the vast majority of stuff that's going on in government circles okay there was this guy interviewed ray sacks he's getting elderly a lot of the whistleblowers i've talked to are wanting to do their part for disclosure because they're getting old and i can tell you most major researchers have these kinds of accounts and it's always a blessing when someone comes forward to you with credentials which you can basically fact check you know what i mean because a lot of people have stories and a story is a story yeah but this guy ray sacks i verified his employment you know i did my due diligence to the extent that you can a young man 1971 he's on the uss clamagor this is a submarine and it had nuclear tipped torpedoes which this was not publicly known at the time going up the east coast of the united states you know some miles offshore at about 12 knots they're on the surface he's uh electrician's mate i think um on this clamagor right young man and uh uh he's up there with another petty officer and the commander command i know who it is i looked commander boyne you know god bless you but you covered this up so i'm calling you out on this uh he's passed so and the second in command so there's four men up there and this submarine's booking along at 12 knots when a uso unidentified submersible object comes in at over 100 knots from the stern at an angle and starts pacing the clamagor right off you know anything within a quarter of an hour or so and he's up there with another petty officer and the commander miles considered a near miss at sea sure and this was right up you know meters away feet uh so totally silent and the guy interviewed ray sax's his job is to be in touch with the folks that's in the sonar office and so the the commander's like what are they seeing and he said they're not seeing anything there's no evidence of this thing it was a big white round light just under the water they couldn't see any solid object but something's there and it's not far away and it was you know what did he say like 20 30 feet across big and uh they're all looking at it and he's jibber-jabbering with the other he's like maybe it's captain nemo didn't think that was funny the commander and so they're talking talking the second in command's like just shut up you know we're looking at this thing and so they're all watching it and one by one the higher ranking officers come up on deck because they want to see it too this is just kind of like i'm going to see it yeah and it paced this clamor guard he said for about 10 or 15 minutes and uh everyone went below and they're still them for and it darts off at like 80 knots this is faster than our submarines can go of course uh even unofficially because i've talked to some submariners and we definitely can go faster than most people think but not that fast no no in 80 knots that's equivalent to 80 to 100 miles an hour yeah essentially yeah and i have to tell you i've done a lot of research into usos and i've got to say that they're moving underwater as fast as people see it in the sky yeah zipping not disturbed by friction right yeah i think they're probably partly interdimensional or something force field i don't know we can only speculate and i don't like to speculate in this field because you're right off the deep end seconds but he saw this and but to me this is another clear cut case of them showing their interest or warning people about nuclear capability i'm like did anything else strange happen he's like yeah sure did we were underwater and the engine went out this can't happen they've got backups they were completely dead in the water scared the living daylights out of everyone and then it all went back on they didn't see anything didn't hear anything just what is that crazy and he was on other ships and stuff nothing happened until he got close to that nuclear stuff i often think of that case because it's just one example there's another guy gary dr gary wagoner was on the uss long beach on the other side of catalina island nuclear powered yeah very very a big hot spot as well and they had ufos show up probably there's two other cases i'd love these cases one guy on his deathbed my heart oh my god these people i'm just like what an honor uh he says i need to tell you this story he just says i was a subcontractor at edwards airport space i'm like ding ding ding ding edwards if you research edwards it's uh yeah like a rabbit hole yeah absolutely and i did i wrote ufos over california and it's got everything that you could ever you could learn everything you wanted to know about ufos from just researching edwards that's how extensive the activity there is and so i'm like oh my god okay go on and he proved his case to me because he's he had the lingo i mean he knew what he was talking about i verified to the extent that i could his employment it's like yeah they use us because we cut through all the red tape they don't need any official things we you know the funding they just hire people who are not part of the military and they're we need you he wouldn't tell me what he does he does but he's walking across like tarmac there and here's this buzzing noise very low whispery kind of whooshing noise turns and looks and there's a uh hanger with a big open window and there's a ufo perfect shiny mirror-like size of a little sports car hovering right above the ground and he's like oh my god turns to his employer and says look what is that his employer gets white as a sheet jams his finger up against his lips you know shut up didn't even speak wouldn't talk and he kept asking like what is it was it it's like you shut up now you weren't supposed to see that if you know you start talking about this we're both in trouble so that's where it rested for a while a couple of years go by and his employer calls him again it's emergency we need you you're the only one who can do this please it's like i'm not doing it i'm not going to work for you unless you tell me what we saw so they get into a what is called a pissing match and finds like okay let's go to a bar you know someplace discreet and had a couple of beers and he he says if you ever tell anybody this is trouble for me and you so he waited decades this was like late 1980s i think he said when this occurred and uh his employer said what you saw was not a ufo this is reverse engineered from et technology using the concept of the counter-rotating magnetic field we can create a magnetic field on the outside of the craft which propels the craft in the desired direction that's all i'm telling you so well interesting right that makes sense with edwards air force base i'll tell you that there's so much testing and stuff going on there i don't even doubt that most of the sightings that happen out there are just all us yep and one more case mel hansen god bless him older guy he's like well you know malmstrom he reached out to a number of researchers and again if you're not interested i'm like he reached out to me i'm like malmstrom you know because i know malmstrom march 1967 they shut down the missiles those are all independent systems you know robert salas of course his book faded giant uh great guy so glad he came forward so mel hansen saw this on unsolved mysteries i think it was he's like oh i guess i can talk about it so he says he was there again not military a contractor he maintains the missile bases they were at one of the sites again he had the lingo down like this guy was for real it's you know you never know for sure do you but you do your due diligence to try to fact check everything to the extent you can and he sounded legit to me and he was the supervisor his team was underground doing maintenance when the stars started disappearing over the missile site he's like i don't know i can't tell you how big this thing was or how high up but he said i can't tell you how big this thing was i can't tell you how big this there was something above the missile and it shut down and she says it immediately went back online he said there was this eerie silence right before really it was just everything ghostly quiet the oz effect kind of thing and uh stars start disappearing the missile shuts down now there's backups we would hope so there is uh i think he said it was first it went to diesel power because it's electric and the diesel generator went on and all went back on site that went out and then it went back on the third or the i guess it would be the second backup which was battery and that went down so boom boom boom they knocked it out very much intentionally and it moved off and it was still knocked down they're an hour away from malmstrom you know these are very widely separated areas so he's radioing and he's like something happened they're like we're on our way we'll be there in less than an hour we'll pick you up took him and his team his team didn't see anything just him and the security guard who was like just losing his mind and didn't want they told don't go out get don't get out of this jeep you are remaining the jeep because this thing was still there yeah and uh he got out and looked at it uh goes back to the base and they gave him the riot act you know basically a full day of this didn't happen this didn't happen this didn't happen so an amazing case and another witness to this there's a bunch of witnesses are still coming out the malmstrom case yeah i mean most nuclear facilities have you know especially when you have any type of warhead or any type of like weapon of mass destruction i feel like there's a lot of activity around those places like obviously you don't thank god i'm thinking yeah i'm thinking ufo and nukes you know um how many cases are in that it was like 116 or something or individuals who've come out and and talked about that stuff um we have uh next week here i got mario woods coming um mario woods who's are you familiar with his case i'm not off the hand no yeah he was um a senior staff sergeant i believe and he was working at one of these uh one of these facilities housing nukes and he was a security officer and uh an orb the size of a walmart as he put it comes right down over the silo and like opens it up and like things are turning on now boop boop boop and everything's going live like this thing's gonna launch and he's thinking to himself literally the thought that he had that he told me is like i thought i have to drive my truck into the hole so to like trigger some failsafe to get this nuke to stop from launching well like that's how panicked he was you know and then um You know. It's a clear cut. Missing time. Stop playing with newts. Yeah. Missing time and then also ET interaction through that. And this guy is like the most, like, again, these people work around these facilities are, if you take so much as an aspirin, you have to write it down. Like, these are people with all their wits about them. Their mental faculty is constantly checked because you have to. You have to be a very sane, very normal, very psychologically balanced person to work anywhere around these facilities. And you are monitored like a hawk. And so, yeah, if you're looking for a credible witness, look no further than the people who work at these places because that is their entire life is being a credible witness. Yeah. One guy wouldn't talk to me. I had to do it through a medium. You know, basically he would tell me. So it's a completely hearsay story. Right. But he worked at an underground base in Alaska. They gave him sodium pentothal hypnotism. No way. Every single week so they could know every single thing he did. He got out of it. They said they pulled him out of high school. He had fantastic scores on his SAT. He was bred. The field of knowledge that they were looking for. And he wouldn't tell me what his job was, but he said this was a base in Alaska that was seven stories down. They worked on three things. Sensing devices that can see through solid objects. Biological warfare, that what we know is nothing. And electromagnetic devices that are reverse engineered from ET craft. That most of what people are seeing in that area is not ET. I learned very early on, some guy told me, he's like, you need to know that most of what people are seeing, not most, he said like 20, 30%. But Michael Shradd is now telling me, no, it's closer to 70% what people are seeing is, you know, us. So, hmm. Yeah. Do you think that there is an imminent human invasion that'll be sort of hoaxed in our lifetime? Oh, the false flag? Yeah. I sure hope not, but yeah. You do think that that's a possibility? How high is your conviction on a percentage scale that that's going to happen within our lifetime? Oh, God. I couldn't give you an exact number, but. Over 50? Yeah. Yeah. I'm worried about it. I think we're seeing signs of it. I feel like our government is pushing a fear threat narrative. A militarization. I mean, the media certainly is very fear-based. Yeah. So, they love a scary story, but I don't know. This is not my area of expertise, but ETs have basically said this. They've told people this. So, I'm worried about it. You know, I've got so many darn ET stories from people. Like, a lady saw a 15-foot praying mantis while out jogging. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. Or a lady I worked with saw this little alien statue on my desk. Screams. Like, what's that? I'm like, Connie. What do you think it is? It's an alien. She's like, well, I saw one of these when my son was a newborn. There's that weird connection to, you know, children are pregnant and a little bit. She said this thing tried to open her window. It's a fixed window. It did not walk through the wall. It's looking at her little baby in a crib trying to open the window. It woke her up. This kind of squeak, squeak sound. She sits up in bed. It looks at her. It slams her down in bed. She can't move. She can't. She can't cry out. After three minutes, it walks off. She jumps out of bed, scoops up her baby and tells her husband something was at the window. That's a monster. We're getting out of here. And he's like, you just had a dream. She's like, that's no dream. That was not a dream. She went to her mother. She wouldn't come back for two weeks. She said, I'm not coming back unless we get guard dogs. And they did. And she's like, we have to move. I'm not staying here. I mean, that's how badly it affected her. She's like, I worked with this lady for quite a while. And she must, I don't, you know, preach like, I'm a UFO researcher. So I'm not really, not at work, you know. Yeah. But she saw that little statue that my boss had given me. It just triggered. And it was a statue of a mantis? Little gray. Oh, little gray. Yeah. Oh. But yeah, the lady who saw a mantis was a teacher. And she goes out jogging at 3 a.m. And she's in Fallon, Illinois. This is right around the time the O'Hara, Chicago O'Hara incident happened. So you can date. What was it, 2000? 2006. Yeah. And O'Hara, Illinois is a pretty country town. And she comes up to this T intersection, Kyle Avenue. I'll never forget it. She described it. I looked it up on Google. It was all correct, what she was saying. And she sees what she thought. It's a man on stilts walking down the middle of the street. This is at like 4 a.m. Oh, my God. The horrific image of a man on stilts, I think, is more terrifying. With extensors on his arm. Yeah. And so it walks right into the streetlight. I saw the streetlight. Whoa. And she said, this thing came up more than half the street. So she knew how tall it was. Whoa. And she's like, it's 15 feet if it's, you know, anything. They seem. A mantis. Yeah. Had those little things. It's big triangular head, eyes the size of basketballs. Oh, that's what Kevin Cameron said. They told him they speak any language on earth easily. They know that our governments do have ET technology. They told him all kinds of stuff. They're like way more advanced. Yeah. There was a tale of another military guy who said that he heard, he overheard, he was at Area 51 and he overheard someone in their conversation saying, yeah, keep the humans out. The mantids don't like them. And so whatever that means. And he was like, he came out and said, like, I don't know anything, but I heard that, you know. Well, you know, that doesn't surprise me. I don't like a lot of humans. I wouldn't like those humans either. And I love people, but some of the folks on earth are so messed up here. That doesn't make the mantids evil. It makes whoever they're working with. I told you before, I'm worried about how, you know, our, I hate to blame, you know, use the term governments because. Sure. But the way we're being treated is not okay. Yeah. You know, our government should have our best interests in mind. And I don't see that sometimes. They do not. Yeah. So I'm concerned. Concerned about it. I think the individuals who make up the government are 99% really good people or believe that they're good people or, you know, some. But I think that they're very 1%, you know, poisons the well, you know, because when we use broad terms like the government. I know people who work for the clerical, you know, and like, you know, doing paperwork and just, you know, doing whatever people work for the government. There's, there's transport. A lot of them. Yeah. There's a whole, like the government does do things that are just normal too. But lumping them all in together, like there is, like you said earlier on, there is a cabal at the very top that is unobjectively evil. Done right. Yeah. I mean, there's no morals there. No. And so when ETs say, you know, don't like them, I think that they're very much aware of what we're doing. Yeah. Yeah. I think that they're aware of every. I think that they're aware of every darn one of us. Yeah. On this planet. I really do. And, you know, I love finding patterns in strange cases, the high strangeness. Here's high strangeness for you. Let's go. ET phone calls. Thinking this is, you know. Like an ET calling someone? Yeah. Okay. I'm interviewing this guy from upstate New York. Doesn't want his name used. I think his first name was Kenneth. I'll go that far. Okay. Full on. Doesn't like this. Doesn't like this. Doesn't like this. He had a missing time. It's very traumatic for him. They ended up pulling him on board, showing him his hybrid child. Like, isn't this great? He's like, no. What? Horrified and like loving this child at the same time. Yeah. So really, really hard for him. He's a nurse. At any rate, right before this happened, he's driving along and his phone starts ringing. His cell phone. In a way that he's got a song set up for when it rings. You know, music. It's not doing that. It's going bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. And it says no number. And he's like, just ignoring it. And it keeps going. Finally, he answers it. And he hears all these clicks, clicks, clicks, clicks, clicks. The time is coming. And this weird voice. Not a normal voice. And he kept getting these weird phone calls. And my mind starts thinking, my God, Bud Hopkins. His case with Debbie Jordan Cobble. Yeah, right. The Wednesday night phone calls. Wait, Ray Fowler, Betty Andresen. She had this too. These weird phone calls. She had lots of clicks and L's and T's. And I'm like, oh, my God. I started digging Jack Sarfati. Yeah, the famous call from the future or whatever that was. Yeah. So I started. I found all these cases. Which, you know, this fits in. Because ETs are electromagnetic effects. Sure. I recently looked at a case where this guy saw a UFO on TV. The image came up. ETs. He's coming out. One week later, that happened to him. A lady in upstate New York saw a gray on ETs. On the television. Yeah. It was coming through that. I talked. I was at a convention once. This guy comes up to me. He's like, you're going to think I'm crazy. I was in my house. The TV screen comes on and shows the interior of a UFO. Little Gray's walking around. So he runs up to get his parents. Can't get them to wake up. Running through the house. He's looking at the TV. Losing his mind. Looks out the window. And there's the UFO hovering overhead, goes back to the TV, and it fades away. Have you ever heard of anything like that? I'm like, no, I sure haven't. Well, I have now. So, yeah, they can affect electromagnetic instruments in ways that are, ET contact can happen in a variety of ways. What about the Ashtar command? Not buying it? No. I'm on one side of the fence. Yeah, that's fine. I just mentioned it because it did, you know, fit into this. I mean, there's a crazy pattern. They found a bunch of cases of UFOs hovering over prisons. Oh, really? Landing next to it, ETs coming out. One guy pulled from his jail cell, put back in. Oh, that must have been a good day for him. It was for a while. I don't know why they didn't just take him out. Yeah. Go, run. Just on the other side of the wall. Put him back in. He was, I talked to him personally. Wow. He spoke French. I speak French. I can speak, I can understand it. Sure. I took it for eight years. So if you speak real slowly, I can. But he spoke in a way that I just couldn't get it. And the recording wouldn't come out. So mad. But he was in jail for smoking marijuana. Oh. Which now it's like. What a terrible offender. Yeah. Lock him up for life. Yeah. And they put him in his house or in some, yeah, I think it was his house. Yeah. I never got to record, you know, transcribe the interview. So I can't really use it. Yeah, sure. If you're not going to let me record you and. Yeah. You know, it's. No, you can't. I can't use it. Yeah. Because I have to be very, I have to have proof that I at least talked to this person. Of course. Yeah. It's minimal journalism. But yeah, Colorado prison. They visited three, four times. I got cases of them landing, the humanoids. Tell me about some of those. I want to hear about maybe just like one or two, because these ones fascinate me as well, is the ones that look like us, that are among us. Yeah. That you hear about, you know, that kind of just blend in. People don't seem to see them. And then somebody goes, oh, you look strange. And then they talk to them in their minds and go, you know, she can see us. Oh, my God. Or have you, have you had some of those people call in or like, or hit you up? In terms of ETs, I'm walking on earth among us. Yeah. People have had encounters with, with those. I've certainly gotten human looking encounters, human. But in terms of. In terms of walking among us, I'm sure I have. I'm trying to think of one. But like human looking ones, like you're, you're speaking of those are on board. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I've had a few where people are like, no, I was, you know, at a grocery store and, you know, they were wearing just the most beautiful garb. I did a whole collection of cases. Yeah. So I do know about a whole bunch of them where people, like, uh, John Hunter Gray and his son, Richland Center, Wisconsin, had a full on abduction. I don't know. I don't like that term. Sorry. Onboarding encounter. I, I stopped using it cause I was offending people. I call them onboarding experiences. Uh, and they felt it was friendly anyway. So prior to their onboard experience, they're at a gas station. They, you know, he remarked on this as being connected. There's this little guy, four feet tall, wearing a fisherman's cap, covers everything, you know, gloves. It's a hot day. Glasses. Something like that. You can't see anything. Right. And he's, they could see his eyes through the glass and he had beady little eyes and they're, you know, context is almost always mentioned the eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. So he's like, who is this? Why this guy? He's so weird. And he's staring at us. This is crazy. So they go away from the gas station. This guy follows them. I think it was in a VW bug all the way. Turns off. That's when their car stalls. That's when the UFO lands. And that's when the car stalls. That's when they're taken on board. Oh my gosh. And of course, Betty, or was it Debbie Jordan Cobble, met the ET on the bus. People have seen them in restaurants. Ingo Swann has that one famous case. Grocery store. Yeah. Yeah. There was Richard Dolan shared a few with me as well. Timothy Goode. Yeah. And then I had one. I actually emailed this guy back just yesterday, but he told me about, yeah, it was a hardware store, two very tall six foot. Nine, six foot, 10 women, beautiful twins, dressed identical, walking in lockstep in a hardware store. The most insane thing. And nobody turned their heads. Hans Holzer. He wrote a book about UFOs. He's got this, it's a pseudonym, Shane Kers, a student who was walking to school. This is Westmoreland High School in New York. It's funny I can remember these details because the UFO stuff just sticks in me. Yeah. But at any rate, this guy approaches her and he's weird looking. He's got a gun. He's got this white, thin blonde hair, pale, pale skin, large, dark eyes, weird clothes. She couldn't describe him. She was too kind of like, who is this freak is how she put it. Starts asking all these weird questions. What are you going to do in there? You know, what's volleyball? You know, just off the wall questions. And she's like, he's a creep. He's a creep. And he said, well, come with me. Come see my white car in the field. She's like, I'm not going with you. And starts to walk away. Turns around. He's gone. There's nowhere to go. Her friends come running up to her like, who was that weird guy? And she's like, I have no idea. This is right in front of the school. It's like three weeks later. She sees him in the liquor store and he's staring at her. Same guy. And she rushes out. Of course, shortly after that, taken on board. There he is. Ended up, it was a pretty traumatic encounter for her. Hmm. Where, you know, I think they had intimate relations. Hmm. Uh, but makes you wonder, you know, cause I've looked into these cases. Yeah, there was a guy I interviewed who saw this, what looked like a gray on a bus. And I've come to look for like three things. Their, their behavior is unusual. Their appearance is unusual and their clothes are unusual. And this thing was, and they'll talk to you telepathically. That happens a lot. Yeah. That's what you hear most is just this clear sort of, oh my gosh, she can see me. Yeah. He pulled his chapter. I gave him, you know, whenever I, I write about someone, I send them their chapter. I'm like, oh, and he fact check it. And I'm something like, okay, we're gonna publish a book. He's like, mm, I wanna pull out. I'm like, oh, really? Why whatever, you know, that's his prerogative. Certainly. Yeah. Uh, but I'm like, I was so disappointed cause I had worked so hard interviewing him and getting everything right. I mean, that's fine. I'm not gonna blame him. Cause it's a big deal. Super strange too, for someone to, um, go through life. Having to acknowledge that versus not having to, uh, very enticing to do the latter, I think for a lot of people, and I think rightfully so for some people, you know, some people are just, Hey, I don't wanna make my life about this. Yeah. Like I'm a person, I have a family, I have relationships, I have a job. I need to do these things. And so for me to derail all of that because of one happenstance that perhaps I shouldn't have even been a part of, doesn't make sense. And I, I can't. I can't blame people for that. I blame the government again, in quotes for not allowing. Yeah, exactly. For, for basically the ridicule. Yeah. Yeah. Delegitimizing this whole subject. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And, and done so clinically. Yeah. And effectively. Yeah. I mean, I bought it. Yeah. And I thought, I thought I was a smart, no, I absolutely bought into it. Yeah. Now it's this term of they're in our airspace with impunity. That term. I'm kind of sick of hearing. No. Whose airspace. Our airspace for one thing, cause they were here first. Yeah. Our airspace, our sovereign airspace. Yeah. I don't think they presented danger to aviation either. No. They're like, oh, they come around our crafts and it could be dangerous. I'm like, well, yeah, we could have collisions. I'm like, oh, please let's have one. Let's, let's acknowledge a collision then, you know, if, if they're flying around there with the amount of, I looked into it. I found a few cases of people who hit UFOs with their car or ran over an ET. There's a few, but statistically speaking, it's insignificant. It's less than 1%. Yeah. There's the case. There's a few Mexican pilots. There's yeah. That one where they go up on top and on the sides. Yeah. And it damaged his landing gear. I think that that plane was going to go down and they're like, it'll take you. I mean, I don't know, but I thought I wondered about that. Yeah. There's the other guy too. Carlos, uh, forget his last name, but he was a young. It was his first solo flight that he was doing and he got commandeered by like some channeling entity and then they recorded that call or whatever, but he's got a whole bunch of missing time there. Didn't know like his fuel tank was full by the time he landed and like this. Yeah. Super mysterious. Yeah. There's so much to unpack with this field. I'm really glad it's moving towards mainstream. I don't think we'll ever get disclosure. I think what we're seeing now is for one reason only. The secret. The secret government, that's what I'll call them, you know, is losing control of the narrative. Now there's an army of researchers out there. There's an army of experiencers. The evidence is mountainous. If they don't come forward and say this is real, they're ridiculous. They look not credible. Unbelievable. They're irrelevant. Yeah. And frankly, I have zero sympathy. They dug their own grave. Um, here's the way I look at disclosure to me. Show us the Roswell craft. Show us the bodies. We know you got them. And until and unless they will admit to the Capitol flyover of 1952, yeah, 52, until and unless they'll admit to Malmstrom and Roswell and any of a dozen high-profile cases that we know are real, I don't want to hear what you have to say. You are lying. I don't need lying liars to tell me what I already know is true. And there's a case from Virginia Donald Shalcross. I love this case. UFO lands, human-looking ETs come out, and he's like, oh my God, has this conversation with them. He says, why don't you just disclose? They gave him a look like, we already have. That's what they told him. We already have. And I think that that's true. They've done their part. This UFOs over here. Oh, the ETs have. Oh, yes. This hometown series I put together proves that basically they've visited everywhere on this planet. You can name any town, and I don't want to say any, but so far I'm batting 100%. They've been there. That's disclosure. You know, they've shown themselves pretty much everywhere on this planet. So come on, how much, how much information do you need to know this is real? It's my feeling that anyone who's objectively exams the evidence, and I'll underline that objectively, and looks at it for a day, can only come away convinced. And for those debunkers and skeptics out there, I'm like, I'm sorry. I don't mean to be rude, but you haven't done your homework. You have not done your research. I mean, how? They're like, well, why don't they told themselves to presidents and leaders of state and senators? They have. Absolutely. I did a whole article in my Not From Here books. Take me to your leader. Because, yeah, they showed themselves to Senator Russell, Governor Gilligan of Ohio, the guy from Arizona. Also the president of Kalmykia. My buddy Jesse Michaels, yeah, went out there, and he's a contactee. Ilyan Ilseminov. Yeah, an on-boarder, as you'd put it. And a major chess champion, too, by the way. Yeah, the head of FIDE at one point. Yeah, but the Mexican president, the Brazilian president, a bunch of them. As of today, the Japanese. The Japanese government is coming out as well. And no coincidence, Jesse's over there covering that story right now. But they're coming out and saying that they're going to start releasing things. It's time. It's past time. I think it's good that these other countries are taking a lead. I think that sets precedent. Because if anything, if nothing else, it will entice the government that's been covering this stuff up to at least divulge something. Because if everybody else comes forward. With really credible information, I mean, what other choice do you have? You have to be on top of this, right? Sooner or later, a whistleblower is going to freak out with the actual hard proof. Yeah. I think disclosure is inevitable for one simple reason. It's true. This is all true. You can hide the truth. You can distort it. You can lie about it. You can play around with it. But you can never destroy it. Truth is truth. Yeah. And there's just no way you can hide something forever. Well put. Certainly. I hope so. We got questions from the audience, Preston, we got to get to. So I'm going to go turn that camera on. Give me one second. Let's go. Did we run the gamut? Yeah. Have we hit everything? Almost. We didn't. Well, we did discuss OB. What haven't we discussed on your list? I'm just curious. Bigfoot and UFOs over graveyards. Oh, great. Wonderful. We'll bring that up. But before we do, you know, as a member, one of the perks, one of the many perks here is the potential to. Have one of your questions answered on air by our guests. And they always submit, as you probably know, these audiences are. They're sharp. Oh, it's just such a great collective sea of knowledge that they ask better questions than I could ever ask. Oh, OK. Tess has got Tess is going right for the jugular. Now I'm worried. Of the contact cases you've studied. Which are most likely to be psyops and to what end? Oof. Well, let me think about this for a second. I would say that case of he won't let me use his name. A Marine officer joined the Marines at 17, had to get a parent's voucher, went to Pendleton and they, I mean, they set him up. They had some guy come to his office and there were papers on the desk that were all about UFOs that were fully confidential. And. And just led him down the garden path to where he was taken and shown this UFO and ended up bringing out a reptilian officer who was like seven feet tall. And everyone says they told him, don't break ranks, whatever happens, don't break ranks. He was the only one who didn't break rank. And this thing came right up to him and stared him like, what did it look like? This poor man started weeping. And I'm like, he's, I'm like, it's okay. You know, if you don't want to talk about this, that's fine. He's like, no, I really want to talk about it. He says, I can't tell you what he looked like because I couldn't look. I was too afraid, but it had reptilian eyes and skin and all and diving into his case because he had a great experience as a child. He levitated. He was taken on board repeatedly. He had all this psychic ability going on. Amazing guy. He was very altruistic. He worked at a. Welding factory and got everyone there raises, you know, basically because they were jipping these people. He was Latino and they were basically taking advantage of the Latino people who worked there. And. After talking to him, we, he basically, they experimented on me. They psyoped me. Why? I don't, I can't tell you for sure. Other than to sort of paint this as a negative experience. They killed his dog. He said, that was it for me. I think they're demonic. He became very religious. Uh, and had an encounter that I don't even know what to think about because it's just so, I don't know. It was my lab stuff. Yeah, that was not okay, but here's an interesting thing, which I didn't bring up, you know, because he worked as a welder, right? He kept knocking that welding machine off, um, offline. This is a very, very expensive machine. They've said, we need you to go to the doctor. You're destroying our equipment. And, uh, they couldn't figure out any with anything wrong with them, except they did find an implant in his body. But I've talked to so many people who've had this problem. They're knocking out TVs, you know, one lady, she had an encounter with this little silver suited humanoid. This is Mount Rainier, Washington goes to work, knocks out her computer. She's like, ITI come here, go to the copier. Knocks that out. And she's like, as soon as you're done, copier goes to the fax machine back when we had those knocks that out. Uh, and she's like, I don't know what's going on. I finally figured it out. I think they're basically energizing or elevating our magnetic, our bioelectric field rather. Uh, cause people will knock out light bulbs. Yeah. The guy I was talking to says, you wouldn't believe my light bulb budget. He, they, he was investigating. They were like, well, it was imploded by Thelma Moss and they were like, he gave him the light bulbs, her, and they were like, well, it didn't explode it imploded, whatever, you know, wild, but yeah, um, people have poltergeist activity and they're like, ah, that's, that's you. It's not a demon. This is you doing telekinesis because when you're with the ETS, you're telepathically communicating. They're levitating. That's not like, uh, technology necessarily. That's them. Mm-hmm cause their technology is very psychically based, but I got case after case of people come and map from their experiences and they're levitating full on levitating happened to Whitley Strieber Jacques Follet's case. The guy who got healed, levitated twice. Steven Greer says, I, I levitated twice. Dolly Saffron. I'm like, I don't suppose you've ever levitated. And she gave me like, oh no, he's asking this. Oh, she was a kid. Yeah. And, uh, I got up 20 cases of that. Yeah. I ended up. Writing a whole book on levitation because this is absolutely something we can do. And then, you know, Diana Pasolka also pursuing the sort of religious lens through which levitation happened because you have all these, um, I don't know, I don't know what to call them, but these, these holy sort of, whether it's apparitions or whether it's whatever, but you had like a St. Francis of Assisi, like the, the stigmata stuff, the, uh, were, were they also levitating? Yeah, there's weird bleed throughs of a lot of this phenomenon, but yeah, human levitation has been proven in a scientific laboratory setting repeatedly. Really? Oh yeah. The experiments of here were Carrington using finger levitation. You put four people around a table or a chair rather, and you know, the breathing in and out. And then what is it? Stiff as a board light as a feather. Yeah. And they lifted this guy up. He recorded a loss of weight of 47 pounds. In the first attempt, 53 in the next 48 and the third over and over. It's never been repeated. Hmm. Uh, but there is the case of Carl, Carmine Mirabelle. belly, Brazil's greatest medium. They had all the scientists surrounding them and he levitated, actually went through the wall, through a darn wall. Yeah, that's been proven a number of times, the experience with Eusebio Palladino. I would love to witness one of these things myself. As a magician, obviously very skeptical of levitations when I hear about them because of the knowledge that I have, but I'm also very open to the idea of, yes, please. I've seen Criss Angel and some, like, show us the sky. No, they don't, because we've got wires. No, there are. Yeah, but there are some, like a friend of mine, Xavier Mortimer, he's a Vegas magician as well. He's known for levitating in the middle of a park, in the middle of a park. Some of the stuff, I don't know how they do it. Using a jump rope in the sky. And do you know how it's- I do, yeah, but- It's a trick? Yeah, of course it's a trick. But, you know, you can fool people like that. I've fooled people at work with a simple technique. Yeah. They absolutely lost their minds. At a certain angle, you can appear to levitate. Yeah, yeah, because that's the Balducci levitation. That's where you lift one foot. Yeah. It works really well. Of course it does. Yeah, but there's, you know, there's a large, large, long list of, levitation is one of the- It's been photographed. You know, there are photographs and films, but- Yeah, again, again, I remain dubious because of, and until I see it myself, I won't be 100% convinced. Well, I had a family friend who swore up and down she levitated, and that's what got me into this. And then I found another one. Yeah. I got a lot of crazy looks. I hear about it. Angela Ford told me she had levitated when she was a kid too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm telling you it's a thing. Yeah, I'd love to see it. I want to see it, or better yet, fly me to the moon. Robert Monroe said he had two incidents of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He just slipped down the stairs and floated down. You know what? A lot of people have that memory of when they were a kid floating down the stairs. I have that memory. There you go. I have that memory of like not touching any of the stairs. But again, is this just like some psychological, you know? This stairway thing is tripping me out because I have a dozen cases of this. Really? There's this, I call it the floating stage. Huh. Age five to 10. Yeah. And the stairs figure in about most of these cases, actually. Yeah. Mostly down, but some going up. Me, it's always down. Always going down and like, yeah, I remember like, like large leaps and like just light as a feather getting down these stairs. Well, the Native Americans had something they called Native Indian running, I think. Oh. Or that's kind of, I guess, the term we got. Yeah. They knew this one guy who could do it, and they followed his footsteps, and they started getting wider and wider and wider. And they disappeared. And two days later, they met him in town. They're like, oh, yeah, he's been here for three days. Oh, wow. Well, I'd love to hear from the audience, too, if you've got any levitation stories. Let us know. All right. Yeah, the psyops. Gosh, that's probably the only real case that I can. Melinda Leslie, if we'd talk to her, she's had a lot of this kind of my lab stuff going on. She was on board, and she saw Bold Rest Kernel there. Yeah. I interviewed her about that and put it in one of my books. Jeremy Weeks, who was here as well, he had like an argument. He had an argument with an officer on board, and he knows what faction or what sort of compartment of department of military he was with. Like, he could see the badges and everything. He didn't want to tell me, but he's like, yeah. He's like, I've. And there were apparently greys on board, and they were arguing, why is he here? Why is he here? While he was there, he was confused at why he was there. Yeah. Carla Turner, I think a lot of cases she was working on. Yeah. She also, like Jacobs, came away with like. This is not great news. But I think a lot of her stuff was, you know, what we would call. My lab stuff. Because she kept talking about seeing officers, or her witnesses did, rather. Yeah. Okay. Let's go on to something we wanted to talk about earlier. From Hex, do you see any connection between UFO alien activity and cryptids, such as Bigfoot or Yeti? 100%. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Yeah. You know, I'm doing a lot of UFO research, and I started to hear about Bigfoot. I'm like, I'm not going there. That's a can of worms. What if it's real? I bet it is. I'm not ready for this. So I avoided it for the longest time. And then I get this guy from Canyon Country, California, living on the edge of the L.A. National Forest. 1978. He's a radiologist. You know, a smart guy. How did UFO basically land in his. Or hover in his backyard. And it took off. He says, the next night, Bigfoot showed up. I'm like, the next night. He's like, yeah. I was in telepathic contact with it. I'd never heard of this. You know, telepathic contact with Bigfoot. That's apparently a thing in a number of cases. He said it was mad at his dogs, which were going crazy. Bigfoot and dogs don't get along for whatever reason. And he felt sure that there was a connection here. And he says, just so you know, after this, we had a poltergeist. Outbreak in our home. I'm like, okay, well, that's kind of what is going on here. And I started to get some of these Bigfoot UFO cases. I ended up becoming a Bigfoot researcher. You know, I had my own darn encounter with this lady who's having, she's a contactee. Started having Bigfoot. This is on the other side of the L.A. National Forest in Acton. She's like, I know where it lives. Let's go. I'll show you. I think it's in this valley. We went up there. It's dusk. Or she brought all this stuff. All the sound equipment, right? She wants to record this thing. And she's pulling the stuff out of the back of the car. And I'm walking to the front of the car. This is, there's no sign of civilization except for this dirt road. And this is maybe five or ten miles off the highway. But the L.A. National Forest is a million. Oh, I don't forget how many million of acres. But it's big. And I looked it up. Lots of Bigfoot reports there. And I'm standing in front of the car, kind of surveying the scene. And something roars. And my first thought is, it's a jet going overhead. Of course, there was no jet. And she's petrified. She's stuck still. She's absolutely petrified. She asked me, do these things kidnap people? I'm like, no, I've never heard of a case of that. I was wrong, it turns out. I was still new to Bigfoot research. So I later told her, I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe stay inside. Because that has happened. It's super rare. But we hear about the missing 411, the Paulides stuff. But then this thing roars again. And now I can triangulate it. This roar went on for like 20 seconds. That's a long time. If you've heard a lion roar, it's five, maybe ten seconds. I was right next to the lion in the zoo when it roared. It's like, whoa. I had no idea it was that loud. This thing echoed in my chest. It had high tones. It had low tones. I felt almost ultrasonic. Some of it. Because it's like, damn, what the heck is this? You know, I'm all about bears. I've got all the books on bears for whatever reason. I grew up next to a cougar. You know, the Mercury cougar, the cars, where they had a cougar advertising it. That cougar lived next to our house in a cage, sadly. But we would hear it all the time. I grew up in an area where there was a lot of wildlife in Topanga Canyon. But this thing was. It was none of that. And then it roared again. Now I know where it is. I go running towards it. I want to see it. And she's like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? You know, get back here. That was my Bigfoot encounter. So we had to leave. She was hysterical. Maybe for the best. Who knows? Hey, what better way to die than kidnapped by Bigfoot? I can think of a better way. But at any rate, having looked into all these Bigfoot cases, most people who see Bigfoot are not going to see a UFO. Most people who see a UFO or ETs are not going to see a Bigfoot. But there's a smattering of cases. And I'll say 200, which is, again, statistically insignificant. But it's there. How do you explain this? People are like, Bigfoot's an alien. I don't think so. Bigfoot's been around forever. And depending on who you talk to, it's sentient, it's psychic, and so forth. But seeing some of these cases where Bigfoot's seen coming out of a UFO, walking in there with grades, I think, and this is going to sound crazy, this is my assessment, I think some are contactees. If they're intelligent. From another planet? No. I think that they are being contacted by ETs in the same way you or I would be. Oh, like they live here already. Yeah. Oh, I see. And we know ETs are studying our planet from soil samples to collecting animals, rabbits, all of them, you know? Yeah. Picking up humans, taking genetic samples. That's an interesting take. Yeah, it's an interesting take, I'll admit. There's also, we see them on board, too. Like, there are Jeremy Weeks, who is here once again. Again, you know, this guy was military. He worked on radars. He's got a crazy story of binary digits coming to him telepathically, which is a whole message and all sorts of stuff. But on board, you know, one of these things he did remember seeing, like, a shorter… Yep, it comes up. Yeah, furry. And dogmen. Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah. Dogmen. That was kind of a relatively new thing. Yeah. Linda Godfrey came along. Dog men, frog men, bird men, cat people. There's all sorts. Talk to Dolly. She saw a dog on board. Wow. I've got a few cases of cat people, and I kind of put them on the back line. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Some people say the lyrans or the, yeah. But I started to get more of those. So there seems to be all kinds of stuff going on here. The one thing I think is interesting, too, is that you have all of these different species, right, or variations of the same species, whatever it is. But you find them all on Earth, like in their primitive form, whether it's the mantis, whether it's the bird, whether it's the cat, whether it's the dog. And what does that tell you? It tells you that, like, oh, we're all part of the family, the same family. 100%. Like, we're all sharing a gene pool on some level. We don't understand genes. Yeah. We really don't. But, yeah, I think there are little people. No. No. Mooms, elves, dwarves. Because I talked to this guy who saw, he swears up and down it was an elf. Because, you know, it had a big nose, bald head, little brown jacket, boots, the whole deal. And I would talk to him. He saw it four or five times. Never touched him, but he knew it could manipulate objects. And his mom's like, oh, you're just, you have an imaginary friend, don't you? Which confused him because, you know, he's a little kid, but this was not imaginary. And he's like, next time it comes, I'm going to have to tell him I'm moving him to come. With me. This was in Colorado. And the elf showed up and he's like, oh, I'm leaving. You know, please come with me. And the elf got all sad and says, I can't do that. We're tied to this location. But I put this story out, you know, in my books and on YouTube. The response was crazy. I'm thinking, you know, elves are from the 1800s, right? No, it turns out a bunch of people are like, oh, this happened to me. And I had the same. We saw six little people and just a lot. One case that stuck out was a guy says this may have been secondhand. But at any rate, an elf appeared and it's holding up his matchbox car and looking at he wakes up and goes, oh, my God. It runs through the wall with the matchbox car in his hand and matchbox car hits the wall, drops the floor and spins. It's just a vivid detail. Yeah. How do you make this stuff up? I mean, it's it sounds so fantastical. But what I want to know is who's making their little sweaters. Where are these? One guy is smoking a pipe. Really? Yeah, that's that's the other thing, too, is like there's a whole culture. Right. If you're wearing colors or tight fitting clothes, then to some extent, aesthetics matter. Right. So if if aesthetics matter, that means you have art. That means you have a palette. That means you have a history of art, a history of culture. And that's fascinating that there's culture attached to this stuff. For the most part. For the most part, we hear about, you know, nothing in the ships. Yeah, they don't have paintings. Right now. Right. So we assume like, oh, you guys are just bland or something. But then you hear about other stories, you know, oh, no, wait, there is something. There's cases involving music. Mm hmm. And these UFOs are aesthetically beautiful. They are. Yeah. Travis Wallen talked about that. I mean, look at the sports model. Yeah. Arguably. That looks like a Ferrari. And their jumpsuits. The jumpsuit is the fashion of choice. That's right. With ETs. But they have cloaks and capes. Yeah. And a lot. A lot of these. They're all fit. Right. They're all fit. They're like in shape. And so, again, obviously health matters, but maybe also the way they look to some extent mattered at one point where they would, you know, breed in that in that direction or something like I mean, there's these questions have to be asked, you know, when you see them and they're like, OK, why are all these tall blondes like what's the point here? Like, does this matter where you're from? And so. It's interesting, but I think those are little people. I think they're probably interdimensional to some degree, but I'm not convinced they're ETs. Yeah. And I know it goes back throughout history. The elves, you mean? But yeah. Yeah. But when you're in the 1800s and 1700s and 1600s, you're not thinking ETs. So I think there's quite a bit of bleed through and misinterpretation of a lot of these things because we always look at things through the lens of our own culture. Yeah. Like the airship wave of 1850, 1890, 1910. Yeah. Always kind of puzzled me because. Those are Zeppelins. Well, Zeppelins were invented in 1903. And I started really looking at that. There's not grays on these things. Yeah. These are people. Yeah. I honestly think that's us. You know, technology. Testing things out. That's my take on it right now. It's probably a good take. But it's hard to say for sure. I mean, I always think back to Aztec, 1948, New Mexico. The people who discovered the saucer. Who got. They're one of the first people to come to the site who runs up on the ship. Yeah. A group of firemen, wasn't it? Yeah. And at the same time, you had a helicopter coming in. Now, that's advanced military tech. Helicopters weren't out until 1948 or whatever. Like up and around then. So that's like seeing a stealth bomber. He's seeing two UFOs. Right. He's seeing a helicopter and he's standing on a flying saucer. Like he's having the craziest day of his life. That's got to be really confusing. Like it. It's like the most modern human tech and like whatever that is. Yeah, I think back to that. All right. I think we've hit the mark here. I mean, I could talk to you for hours and hours. This has been so much fun. Thank you so much for joining me. We do have a few books that Preston wrote, which we will be giving away to some of the members as well. So if you're a member, just comment below. We'll choose one of you and we'll send that out. We'll have you sign those if that's all right. And if you. If you want to purchase one of these books, I would highly recommend it. First of all, go check out Preston's YouTube channel. I left the link below. But also check out one of his many, many books, because this is literally what we've been talking about. It is just the tip of the iceberg. You're going to walk away so much more knowledgeable and, you know, just entertained, if nothing else, by the by the vast amount of stories that you have to, you know, share with us. Where can they? Where can they do that, Preston? I'm pretty easy to find. I do have a Web site. You can see excerpts of my books. Preston Dennett dot Weebly dot com. I'm on all. Well, I can't keep up with the social media platforms, but I'm on a bunch of them. And my books are available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble bookstores near you. If you can find one. I remember the day when there were a lot of bookstores. Those days are over. Yeah. I used to spend a lot of time in those. Now bookstores are in a little brown box or on your screen. But yeah, my books are pretty. Easy to find. I hope they are. They came. I ordered a bunch. They came the next day. But yeah, go, you know, go support Preston. And books are really easy and fun to read, too. They're they're really great reads. I really enjoyed reading them. And so I'd highly recommend that. Anything else you would like to say before we go? No, I think we covered it. I would just say, you know, do your own research. Don't believe anyone. Don't believe me. Look into. And when I say, you know, it's aren't here to take over. Prove me wrong or don't, you know, just do your own research. I would not look to the government, but yeah, just move past fear, love, love and truth to guide your actions, you know, because we're dealing with a lot of delusion and confusion on this planet. And we really need to work hard to, I think, come together and just do the right thing. So yeah, love and truth. Love is the answer. Thank you. Thank you so much, Preston. My pleasure. Thank you. On November 11th, 2025, my two kids and I went to the backyard in Savannah, Georgia, to try and get a glimpse of the northern lights. There had been this big solar storm and what we saw instead was something that none of us will ever forget. In quick succession, we saw like five UFOs. And the most striking was this giant triangle. And it had this grid like pattern. There were white lights on the underside of it. But the craft itself was like semi-transparent, like you could see through it. When it moved in front of the stars, you could see the stars behind it. It didn't make any noise, didn't have navigation lights. My daughter, who's 11, burst out into tears and said, Mom, Mom, I feel this humming inside of me. It's like this loud humming. I didn't experience that. But she did. It was unnerving, for sure. I would say the more striking event happened later that night. My daughter and I had a shared dream experience where these three non-human but human-like beings spoke to us telepathically. They had these big, bright blue eyes. And my daughter, she said they looked like Malfoy's family from Harry Potter. So they're like all, you know, pale. And blonde, with long blonde hair. And they said to us, we've always been here, but now you can see us. Subtitles by the Amara.org community