UFO Researcher Details The STRANGEST Alien Encounters - Preston Dennett | DEBRIEFED ep 93

The phenomenon what is it we're interacting with are we interacting with more than one thing and what's the goal? 100% they are putting out a very carefully orchestrated vigorous publicity campaign. They really really want us to know that we are not alone. I honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions. What does this mean you know? I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize because contactees will get the message. We are you, you are us, we are one. And I saw his face kind of just melt away, the nose got damaged, the lips, they had got bigger, the hair went away completely, and the message was they are human. They have a different ancestry, they have damaged, done through radiation. I am specifically fascinated by the mantid's cases. Okay, we'll have the small graze, the human oil, the tall graze, but then way back here behind Curtin you got like these overseers. And he turns around, he said it was the scariest thing. They were sitting on these white kind of thrown like cherries stone on a deus and he says they were pressing their 15 feet tall. He was trembling and they said would you like to go to our planet? He said no. I'm so mind blown right now. I can see this kind of hole in the wall and then I'm been hurtling through space because I'm like okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. It turns out this is a thing. If you start investigating this, they might start investigating you. Ladies and gentlemen, we are joined today by a very exciting guest. I'm looking forward to having a conversation with this is Preston Dennett. You might be familiar with Preston's work through his various amount of books. Preston's been a researcher for a very long time and it also has a really, really fun, interesting YouTube channel that you should check out where he talks about these experiences, UFO encounters of all nature. And it's really just you cover high strangeness a lot as well, which I'm really into. And you have a really good way of connecting the dots. And so I'm looking forward to this. My audience actually suggested to have you on multiple times. So I think they're really excited to have you on. Welcome Preston Dennett. Thank you, Chris. I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah. This should be fun. I want to start. There's so many cases to go through, which I'm going to eventually ask you about. I want to go through a list of like your top cases, your highest conviction cases, the high strangeness. This will be a really good episode for anyone who's looking to just get a broader sense of all the strange encounters that are out there. But I want to start with your encounter. What are your encounters, I should say, of which there were many. And maybe you can start. I'll let you take it away. All right. I mean, it's hard to know where to start because growing up, I was skeptical of all of this. Didn't believe any of it. In hindsight, I'm like, okay, there was that incident of missing time when I was about nine years old where I missed lunch. I was in my bedroom and or six kids in our family. You don't miss lunch because they're not going to eat. And I missed lunch. And everyone said, we called for you. I'm like, I was in the bedroom. They said, no, you weren't. I always wondered about that, but never really put to, you know, the dots together. And a few little things like that, but nothing I could sink my teeth into. And that all kind of changed once I started investigating the subject and turns out this is a thing. They being the disease. It's called UFO investigators disease. Yeah. Ed Conroy coined that term because he started having contacts after investigating Whitley-Streiber's case. Wow. And I looked at other UFO researchers. I'm like, wow, a lot of them have had this. And I was in the middle of an investigation of the Tapanga Canyon UFO wave 1992. And I'm over my brother's house and my sister-in-law. And they're helping me through all this because I was new to this field. And he had had an encounter. She hadn't visitations by ETs when she was a little girl. It's in my family. So they're helping me. And I'm like, okay, it's late. It's Sunday. I got to go home. I'm driving. You know, they were in Woodland Hills. I live in Canoga Park. Six miles away, maybe. I'd leave their house going around this hairpin corner. Can't go more than five miles per hour. And I see what I think is a bird. This is, you know, almost midnight. It's not a bird. It's a little ball of light. So now I'm thinking, maybe it's a firecracker. It's July 1992. And towards the end of July, July 20th, they're about. So people are still shooting up firecrackers. And that's where I went. This darn thing comes down and hovers right in front of my windshield. Like a foot away. I mean, much closer to, and I am to you right now. Well, how big was it, roughly? A little bit bigger than a ping pong ball. Okay. Not big. And what color? White. White. Soft white, hard edges. And it's hovering kind of wavering slightly. This thing goes back to the edge of the windshield all the way to the other side, back to the other side and then stops right in front of my face. I'm like, okay, it's intelligent. It's not a reflection because, you know, your mind starts, I'm stopped. I'm ripping my steering wheel. And this thing scoots forward, almost touches the ground and goes straight up. And that's the last thing I remember. And here's the word thing. I didn't remember this. I completely forgot about it. Out of my mind. And for, I don't know, four months. And then one day I'm just sitting there and I'm like, I remember seeing this. It just triggered randomly while you were just pondering. There was no cue or anything like that. Often people will say, "Oh, yeah." No, just remembered it. You know, I'm sticking to this. This did happen. I'm now convinced at missing time because I don't remember driving home. I would have turned around. I'm like, "My work is crazy. I've seen this or." Right. Yeah. That's definitely not something you can just move past. Right. So that was 1992, a big year for me. I had a sighting with my brother and sister in law a month later up in Criter to Lake area. This lights blinking on and off and we're clicking our flashlights at it. And it's responding. And then I joined C-Seti, the group with Stephen Greer. And we started calling down UFOs that same year. And it just rolled out from there. I started having sightings pretty regularly. I'll tell you a couple of really good ones. I was heading this meditation one year. This was probably 94-ish. And we're all sitting in a group. There's five of us. And I just started getting, we're all meditating. Our eyes are closed. This is into Panga Canyon. Pretty beautiful. Yeah. And I started getting this message. Look up, look up, look up, look up, look up. I'm not looking up. I'm meditating. You know, I'm trying to calm them down, but this message just wouldn't shut up. Was it audible? No. No, it was just an impression. Yeah. And but it started getting stronger. I'm like, fine, I'll look up. No sooner than I look up. There's this dot of light behind the sky. Star like, but it expands, expands, expands, expands, and it's, I hate saying this, but it covered like a third of the sky. Oh my gosh. So this is not a shooting star. It's like someone pouring milk on the top of a glass table and you're looking up, it's just, it's man. And you know, later talking to Dolly Safran, she's like, oh, that's a light gate. That's ET's coming in or out, which makes sense because that same night, one mile away, I ended up interviewing this couple who saw this major craft literally just over the other side of the hill. Same darn time. So that was a good sighting. Wow. A couple more leading up to my major onboard experience. I'm driving home from our friend's house, San Diego to LA. And I start to see this object over the freeway. This is a four or five freeway. Never empty. And of course, I'm maneuvering. Everyone's going 70 miles an hour. What the heck is that? Because I know this route. I've done it a hundred times. And it's a very low cloud ceiling. And there's this giant global flight right over the freeway. I don't remember that. And I'm so kind of coming closer and closer to a looking for, you know, some sort of attachment of the street light. And I'm right under it. I'm like, okay, holy crap. This is something. I got a message. It said, your niece has just been born. How crazy is that? Turns out that's my sister-in-law who had a major face-to-face encounter with Grace. Her son had a humanoid encounter and a sighting. So they're kind of carrying on the whole ET gene generation. But that was a weird thing. And it kind of ties in. Yeah. She was born. So how did you find that out? Did you call your sister and were like, oh, when I got home, I'm like, Alex, she was born, right? My brother had a close-up sighting. That's what got me into this field. Yeah. Can you tell me about that? Because that really left a mark on you. It did. Because I was a skeptic. I'll never forget November 17, 1986. Because I'm watching TV news and you might remember this date. Can you. to Rochi. Yep. J-A-L airlines. Yeah. Huge. Yeah. Massive case. Yeah. Which the news just joked about. Yep. They're like, ah, yeah. This guy thinks he saw you. One of the most credible sightings, too. Yeah. None of that was in the news report. It was just joking tongue and cheek. Now, of course, we know it's got radar and they were followed for an hour and so forth. 96 was an interesting year, too. I think was it was this was 86. Oh, it was 86. Okay. Not 96. Yeah. Okay. That makes more sense. Yeah. Yeah. Because I was like 96. I feel a little late for for that sighting, but that yeah, that makes more sense. 21 years old. Yeah. And that got me to remember. Oh, my brother Mark came running in the house when I was 13. I saw UFO. I'm like, no, you didn't. The stars are too far away. You're deluded. I was I bought the Air Force, you know, party line, hoaxes, hallucinations, misperceptions, mental illness. Yeah. You're all crazy. That's right. Mass hysteria. And then I went to Mark and I'm like, okay, tell me again. I need to describe this amazing sighting with this two friends. It was a disc or a ball of light. It was a classic flying saucer. Wow. Little lights around it dome on top, silent, tree top level. They chased it down receiptable of art for 15 minutes, passing other cars. This thing would wait for them. They'd get real close. It would dart ahead. Wow. I get up to it dart ahead. It was playing koi. Yeah. So he's telling me all this and I can mark your what? It's a call filling Greg, his friends. You know them. I did call them and they confirmed it added a few more details. So that knocked down the wall for me, opened the door and I found out my sister and I had a sightings. She had a sighting over Van Nuys Air Force Reserve base. Three months later, saw Gray's walking by a stag street elementary school. What? In daylight? No, this was around midnight. She went for a walk to collect a abandoned shopping cart. She wanted it. I was walking with her little dog, Sarah. She's these two kids standing right in front of the school under the flood light. She's like, well, that's weird. They look bald. Then she's thinking, do they have masks on? This is summer. It's not Halloween. She walks about 10 feet away from them and they turn. Look at her like that. And she said it was like being woken up when you're awake because these were Gray's. She didn't she didn't use that term. This was before you know, people were really talking about this. She described the same thing. Yeah. She's an artist, I did a memory. She's going from top to bottom. I'm like, she says the almond eyes. The wrap around eyes, the giant heads. I had her drum form with like mouths. I'm like, oh my god. So that was it. Then I knew they were real. I had all the books. I could give my hands on. But you didn't suspect that you had anything to like, I mean, because at that point, you just thought, oh, these are all just like unconnected, disconnected coincidences. But I mean, there's clearly something there if your whole family is. Well, the first thing I did was like, is there ever seen a UFO? No, I never have. And it took me a year to like, remember that incident of missing time when I was like, nine. You know, with a ball of light. Get this. My brother. My sister in law is sitting next to him on the couch and she's like, what's that on your arm? And I could you could palpate this thing. It was a little stick like object right under his arm. Hard. Yep. And you could see it if you pressed on it. So I took him to a move on field investigator who's a doctor. The guy's eyes went really wide. He's like, oh my god, we need to x-ray this. You know, he could remove this and my brother Mark instantly climbed up and I'm a gosh. No, when someone's worth in a couple of hundred feet of UFO, I now know that's a huge red flag. A distance setting is one thing. But if you're close up, red flag, you mean what do you mean by that? Probably a more extensive encounter. Right. There's probably something else that followed or proceeded it. Right. That was more direct. So I'm wondering, I'm how did that get into the sun? Is it related? I can't say for sure, but it disappeared because the sighting he had with his friends. Right. It was pretty darn close to him. I've come to realize it's no accident. Yeah. So it's in my family. Brought it up at work. That was a huge mistake because the lady I worked right next to, she's like, oh yeah, I mean, my whole family saw on my daughter. She had these things coming to her room. You know, you should talk to her. It just happened. Like, just happened. You're kidding. She's like, yes, it was ongoing as I just got involved in this field. Wow. One of those weird synchronicities and in Wotsodorthy, who you would love. She's so, you know, outgoing, punny, and she's like, oh, UFOs, when it followed me home from the library. We live five, no, 10 minutes away. The weirdest thing pressed and we left at nine o'clock right when the library closed. It followed us home. We saw it dart away and her friend Carol turns, looks at the clock. She says, Dorothy, it's 10, 15. Where did the time go? So I'm like, Dorothy, you were abducted. I learned to be a little bit more reserved. How many people have you interviewed in your career? I mean, I've talked to thousands upon thousands, formerly a few hundred, formerly and by formerly, you mean people who have had direct contact. Who would allow me to record them. Yeah. And, you know, let's do a full on interview with you. That's official several hundred. So yeah. And with all of that, you've been able to map out a clear or at least a pretty clear picture of what's going on. I think so. So what's the, what's your gestalt on all of this? Where do we start here? How do you see the phenomenon? What is it we're interacting with? Are we interacting with more than one thing? And what's the goal? According to you, these are questions I want to know. These are, that's a loaded question. I know it's, I know it's a load of questions, but answered is, is you see fit? I would, you know, I give you the floor. Well, I know there's all these theories about people, you know, like, oh, it's a phenomena. It's an intelligence that wears different masks. I don't subscribe to that. That's the Jacques Valais sort of school you don't subscribe to. No, I know that there are little people, you know, fairies and gnomes, which I think are real. I don't think there are ETs. Personally, I don't lump all this phenomenon into one thing. I don't think there are time travelers from the future. I've scoured the literature. I have no cases that really speak to that. So they're certainly not demonic. I know that's a very popular explanation. So I dove into all of that. I mean, I became a paranormal researcher. Ghosts, demons, angels, exorcisms, levitations, all of that stuff. Both personality even. Yeah. They have missing time. That's right. So I looked into all of that. No, I don't think it's demonic. I honestly think we are dealing with people like us who certainly have a much better understanding of other dimensions, psychic abilities and things like this, but they're all humanoid, almost without exception. You know, I'm expecting aliens to have tentacles as a skeptic and, you know, just the blob or something. Sure. And that's not what we're seeing. We're seeing bipedal. Some look just like us. Yeah. So what does this mean? You know, I think it means our relationship to them is a lot closer than we realize. And that certainly comes up in contactee accounts, because contactees will get the message. We are you, you are us. We are one. That exact phrasing. I've heard that probably a half dozen times exactly that, but something along the lines of we share a common ancestry. We're not that different. We used to look just like you, the grays. Yeah, I actually had a, you know, what they call it, download ones, which I always wondered about. People are describing their experiences. It feels, yeah, nebulous a little bit. Yeah. I'm not quite sure what you mean, because you can only understand so much through words, but I was just out of my mind trying to figure out who are these grays. I was lying there in bed, just thinking about it. And then it's hard to describe. Suddenly, it's like a vision. Just pouring into my mind. A lot of knowledge all at once. And what they showed me was a human male. Nice looking guy. Suddenly, the next frame is losing a little bit of his hair. And it started going real fast, like a deck of cards, image after image after image. And I saw his face kind of just melt away. The nose got damaged. The lips that had got bigger. The hair went away completely. And the message was they are human. They have a different ancestry that have damaged done through radiation. That was the message I got, but grays are human. That's my personal message. So that answered something, but not all of them know. No. But before I get into the whole agenda, or what I think is going on, can I tell you my own experience? Please. Yes. Yes. We skipped over that. Yes. Absolutely. This is something. Okay. Yeah. I didn't know this. And, you know, I've watched some of your videos. I'm reading your books. And I'm getting familiar with a lot of your work. But I guess one thing that's somehow just alluded this is your own onboard ET experience. And so you shared this with me over dinner yesterday. And I was out of visceral reaction to this. I was literally dumbfounded now. I mean, it is the craziest confirmation for me, for you that you could ever hope for as a UFO researcher, you got to go on board a UFO. Yeah, it's funny. People think, well, he's a UFO researcher, you know, he's making it up on this. I can only tell you what I experienced. And like I said, I think if you get involved in the subject, I was circling around it. They were circling around me. Where did this happen, physically, was it a remote area? No, no, there's two million people in the San Fernando Valley. It's more densely populated than all of Wyoming. I mean, there's and where were you in this happened? I was in this little house in receipt, 800 square feet, house on one side, another, oh, completely surrounded. And I'm in my bedroom. I'm dreaming. You know, just a normal dream, blah, blah, blah. And then I wake up, you know, and I'm fully awake now because I am being pulled through the wall. I can see this kind of hole in the wall. I'm like, okay, and then I'm been hurtling through space. And here's the weird thing. I recognize this feeling. I knew that this had happened to me before. It's a very electric feeling. A mild electric shock. Is this anything like an out-of-body experience? No. I mean, really? I've had a lot of OBS. That's, well, that was my next question because I know that you've mentioned this last night as well. And I being a little familiar with out-of-body experiences, having had a few of my own, I know that there is an objective difference between a dream and an out-of-body state. It is objectively different, but there are subtle similarities as well because you're in this sort of wishy, washy, weird mind state, but you're completely lucid. And you can look around, look at your hands, ask yourself questions, you can touch things. It's very sort of real, but there is a dream-like quality. I don't even like using the word dream because then people jump straight to, "I'll must be a lucid dream." It's not. There's a difference. But you're saying that this experience of you being pulled through the wall was different from that as well. Was it more real? When you're OBE, the environment almost seems more real. I mean, it's super vivid. As you progress with it, that dream-like aspect kind of goes away and you really begin to get a control of what's going on, where you go, what you can do. So it's dream-like in the beginning, but it starts to really get more clear. And this was different. It was different. Oh yeah. I mean, I don't know how to describe it, but I felt like I'm flying through space in my body. Is it closer to this reality or closer to the OBE reality or closer to something else? It's a little different. Okay. I mean, it is a little different from just walking around. Yeah, obviously. But I wouldn't equate it to the OBE. Okay. Good to know. Because it felt physical. I mean, I could feel it. And I, this was 30 seconds of me flying through space. That's a long time. Because I'm like, okay, I'm being taken. This is awesome. I remember this happening. This is crazy. I hope I get to stay with them. You know, this is what's going through my mind. Because you know, after I had that missing time experience, I did start to recall some of what happened. I remember being on a craft and they were showing free energy motors and the wall peeled back. They showed the Milky Way. I saw how they pull up water into their craft. Well, they'll sit you in the pilot seat and fly you around. These are kind of dream flashback memories that I pulled back. I just meditating. I never did hypnosis. I'm kind of interested in trying it. But I really wanted to do it the way I always recognize people, you know, write it down, meditate, work with dreams, Betty Hill should remember her whole encounter by just dreaming about it. Yeah. So anyway, I'm flying through space like this is great. I am loving this. And suddenly I didn't see the craft. I'm on a table. And there's this very tall woman standing next to me, looking down at me. She is real thin. Snow White jumpsuit. Huge blue wraparound eyes, tiny little nose, tiny little mouth, very tightly curled, blonde hair. Very short. And just really nice. And she's looking down. There's a little guys around me, but I'm not really looking at them. And I'm trying to get up and she puts her hand on my chest like, no, no, we need to make sure you're fine. I'm like, I'm fine. I've done this. Let's go check. No, no, no, we need to check you out first. And I'm looking around right like this is a there's the round room. There's the walls. This is insane. I've talked to so many people and here it is happening to me. This is my birthday, by the way. This is my birthday. This is 2022. Yep. May 6. So only four years ago. Yeah. It's the ultimate, you know, because I know how long I wanted this. This is insane. I can't imagine. I've wished for this. I'd be out there at night. Come down. I'm ready. And it's happening. Are you saying yourself it's happening? Oh my god, it's happening. I did have a great. I think when it's coming to my bedroom, scared the living daylight's out of me. I woke up because I thought I felt a cat walking across my bed. I don't have a cat. You know, there's something deeply ironic about spending all this time talking about surveillance and data leaks and black projects and cryptid apps. 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And there is this very tall gray who I instantly recognize. Now you're going to be talking to Dolly Safran. She's a contact that I interviewed. I wrote a book about her case. And she describes this tall gray that she calls Mama. And that was her. I knew instantly. There's a weird knowing, you know, they communicate and very effectively, telepathically. She's seven feet tall if not eight. And 10 feet away. And I go right to her because she is the most beautiful creature I've ever seen. She is a gray. I mean, the big eyes, tiny little nose. She's full on it, ET, not like this other lady who was clearly a hybrid. She looked human, half human. But she's wearing this kind of smock. And I'm looking up at her and she tilts her head, leans forward to telepathically. So is this what you thought it would be like? And I'm like, no, this is so much better. This is amazing. And she kind of chuckled. She was amused. And I can explore to go ahead. Which is so I'm looking around. We're in a 50 foot wide room round. And any features on the walls. There was a row of windows all the way around where there are choice. I didn't see any. Okay. There's pop. There might be some stuff. I don't remember. Sure. But what I do remember is going to the other side and looking down at the earth, which is round by the way. And I'm estimating where 500 miles up from looking because I'm like, how high are we? It wasn't a tiny little globe off in the distance. No. Yeah. You're still in the orbit. Yeah. And I'm like, wow, look at that. This is insane. So I turn around and I go to the center of the craft where there are two rows of people standing. And they're in a days. They're out of it. I'm like, well, that's weird. You know, there's a black guy. A lady. So different ethnicities. So I go up to this girl and I'm like, hey, - Hey, my name's Preston, what's your name? And she's just, they, not there. - No, and I wanted to like, shaker and like, - Yeah, lights are on, but no one's home. - I realized, probably, no, don't mess with her. She's, turning that look, and there's full on grace. These kind of five foot tall. And that one made my heart leap up a little bit 'cause they look different. (laughs) - How different? They don't look friendly or do they look-- - I don't know if it was different from Mama, who just, they just looked really alien. - Oh my gosh. - I don't know, it's hard to describe. They're typical grays. - Yeah. - But it's like, oh my god, I'm here. - Jump suits? - Yep. - What color were they wearing? - Gray. - Gray jump suits. - I can see why people think they're naked. I don't think so. - Oh, you think it's just like a skin type. - Yeah, I see. 'Cause people aren't seeing, you know, the anatomy. That is there, I do believe. - Right. - It's under certain light condition. Oh, you believe they have genitals? - Oh yeah. - Oh, okay. I've got reports of it. - Yeah. - It's rare, but. But yeah, I've been, I saw this lady, you know, I think she's Korean, I worked with the Korean girls, looked just like her. I don't think it was her, but she's fully conscious. She's like, wow, wow, look at me. And she's over by the other side. So I walk over to her and I'm about to ask her, you know, what's your name? You know, I'm Preston. I want to verify. You know, this is-- - Yes, yes, can you get a last name? - Anything. - Because that would be like something else. - I mean, that would be one of the biggest cases ever. - Right. So I'm about to, you know, say, hey, when they drop the ship, you know, when we're like 500 miles up, down to the earth in a second, literally one second. And I'm looking down at this view and there's these little symbols that's overlaid over the window on, almost like Google Maps kind of. - Yeah. - Spoilies and-- - Alien symbols. - I don't know what they mean, but we're suddenly right down. We're 10 feet above the, and the crap rocks like this. Like it's on a wave. - Yeah. - And I felt that. - Like it's on the water. - Yeah. - 'Cause I didn't feel anything, you know, like when you're an elevator and you're weightless. - Yeah. - Didn't feel that. - But the craft itself was behaving though, as though it was, you hear about this. Obviously, you know, one of the more famous cases of being the Chuck Clark video and the craft sort of oscillating. - I looked for that when I interviewed someone. - Mm-hmm. - And you saw that, you felt that. - Yeah. - Wow. - Yeah, it was so cool. And then boom, we're back up and the next thing. So I turn around and I, 'cause Mama, she's like, calling to me, the tall gray. She hands me a cup like this, but half the size. And it's thick. It's a thick glass tumbler. And there's this green liquid. I'm thinking, okay, I wrote an article about this. Alien drinks. I know what's going on here. I don't know why I don't know completely, but there it is, the green liquid. And she's like, go ahead, drink it. I'm like, okay, I trust you. And I sniff everything. So I'm like, hmm, don't really smell it. It's thicker than water. It's almost syrupy. - Okay. And light green, dark green. - Light green, translucent. - Looks like ooze. - Yeah. - Like the Ninja Turl ooze. - It was maybe three ounces, it's not a lot. - And that was the same liquid that Dolly had described as well. - Yeah, I've heard this from a lot of people. - Well, the same tumbler even, right? - Well, I asked her about it. Yeah, 'cause in symmetry, she writes about the tumbler as well being thicker. And so that started out to me. - Yeah. - Huh? 'Cause she's getting all this confirmation. - It's different though, you know, because you get this idea on your head of what people are, people say, oh, the walls are rounded. In my head, I'm thinking it's an egg. No, it's not like that. It's the floor's flat and then it runs up. Well, this came down like a dome. I've had other experiences though, so that I recall, I miss, once I found myself on board, this is a memory, right? And there was a little table and there was this tall, tall white. I could not focus on his face. Wouldn't let me see it. And he said, do you want to see the other room? And they showed me what looked like a power source. That's what he said it was. And it was just slats kind of in a metal thing. And my vision was going in and out. But he pointed to the corner of the room and said, look there, they turned the wall transparent. We were underwater. - Well, oh my god. I mean, I've got quite a few of these kind of things. - Let me ask you about the transparent wall because that is a recurring thing as well. Whether it's Bob Lazar talks about that in the craft, the wall going just transparent and becoming like some type of screen. I've heard another guy, Hizus Hofremia, who was from Spain who talked about this as well, as he got a tour in the ship, which looked, again, disc-shaped by these human-like entities and they were showing him around. The wall just disappeared like they were. But there is also the Aztec craft was rumored to also have that through high-powered tests, high-powered voltage that it would go. - And I suspect we have this technology somewhere. - And so, but a lot of the reports were that it wasn't completely see-through. Was this completely like, it wasn't there? - Yeah, it's not like looking through glass. - It wasn't like looking through like some fuzzy. - No. - No, it was clear as day. - You'd think you could stick your hand through it. - Okay. - It was empty, understood. - But yeah, we were underwater. I didn't see anything but water. I'm like, wow, I'll look at that. - So when you're back on this craft and the mama calls you towards her, you didn't get the other lady's name. - No, I didn't. - Do you kick yourself sometimes? (laughing) - I bet you do. - Yeah. - I would have stayed with them honestly 'cause there was a feeling they're like, no one's gonna lie here, no one's gonna kill me, no, I don't have to pay money. It's a different place. It's like advanced. I'm like, wow, I felt at home. - Really? - Unbelievable. It's just a different feeling. But she's like, okay, drink this. I'm like, okay, and I took a sip and I could taste it. A little bit of kiwi, a little bit of lime. It's as close as I can get to it. - Sure, and it wasn't bad. A little, a little sour, and she takes it away from me. I'm like, hey, dude. I thought you gave me this, it was mine. And she's like, okay, you want another sip? Go ahead, she looked even like I was insane. I'm like, no, really, I'd like another sip. And I did and blacked out. I'm up in bed, snap of fingers. I'm back in bed. So I asked Dolly about this. I'm like, they gave me the liquid. What is this? This is to prevent, you know, it helps with radiation exposure. It's kind of a medicine nutrition type thing. - So you have radiation, you're exposed to radiation on the craft. - Apparently, yep. - Through them perhaps, because they might be radioactive themselves. Partially explains their physique and their, you know, why they look like the way they do. Dolly can go into more detail about that. - Yeah, that was my onboard experience. The best one, fully conscious. - Whoa, a birthday present. - Intentionally, by the way. - Four years ago, man. That is like, 'cause you hear about a lot of these cases. And when people describe them, you go, yeah, but you were nine or you were seven or you were four. Do you know what I mean? And after time, it's not that it has no merit because I think it does. It's just that people, they have a hard time, you know, sitting on 50 plus years of like memory and being like, you can't count on that. But this happened four years ago. There is no way that that is just some weird, like, memory trigger. That is objectively you were researching UFOs and aliens and ETs, and then you found yourself on board. Did you have your memories of your previous encounters unlocked after a prior to that? - Prior. - Prior. - So we're a part of it. And that there's a lot of meditation. I need to remember what happened during this missing time. This is driving me crazy. And I started to remember. How many, do you meditate still regularly? - Yeah. - What do you use? You use like hemisync? - I tried hemisync, I didn't like it. - Yeah. - It felt like it was forcing the out-of-body experience. And to me, it feels like it should unfold naturally. And I didn't really need it. At that point, I was already doing it pretty regularly. - You're already leaving your body, yeah. - Which coincidentally, and perhaps not coincidentally, happened at the same time I started doing UFO research. And interviewing so many people who've had contacts, I'm like, "Oh yeah, I started having out-of-body experiences at the same time." I'm like, "Okay, click, click, click." Dots are connecting here. - This is blowing my mind. - I've never talked about, I'm doing a lot of research and people would say, "Oh, you've had your own encounter." I'm like, "Yeah, I saw this orb, came down." It took me a while to even realize that was a missing time incident. - Yeah. - 'Cause I'm the God, I don't remember driving home. I've had 'em a lot of sightings. I'll write 'em down. I'll tell people that one slipped by me. - Very strange. Very anomalous. Yeah, that would stand out. 'Cause it's easy to say I don't remember something because we don't remember most things, but when it's something of that nature, something that you're studying that you take so seriously, you would remember that. So for you to not remember it, that would stand out. - Yep. Going, oh, sorry, go ahead. Wanna get to the ET agenda now? - Well, before we do. I mean, yeah, you wanna circle back to OBE's a little bit later 'cause I wanna, I definitely wanna dive into there 'cause I have questions of my own as you know, I'm exploring this space as well. - I love the OBE's, I could talk forever on those. - So let's talk about it. We can save the ET agenda for a little bit later. I feel like there's not much we can do about it anyways. (laughing) The OBE stuff is really interesting. As you know, I explained to you last night, I had two spontaneous out of body experiences back-to-back. A month after interviewing Joe McMonagall, where he talked to me about out of body experience, I up to that point, I had never heard of it and it wasn't even in my mind when it happened. Like I had no idea when people said astral travel or out of body like near death experiences. That's where my head went. And I was like, okay, people floating in the hospital room seeing their body. That is as far as my head goes. So when it happened to me, I didn't even know what was happening when it happened. It took me like several days to be like, was that what I was experiencing like an out of body? But like you said, like I was researching this stuff when it happened to me. So that's really strange. But then even stranger is, I remember and I documented this as I was meditating for months trying to leave my body, trying to have that epic adventure willfully doing it instead of some accident, you know. And when it finally happened, I was so excited. I couldn't see anything. Everything was dark, I was just, I knew, but I knew I was out. Right, there was the vibratory sense. I knew I was out. And I remember in that sort of haze, I wanted to go to Paris for some, I was like, Paris, Paris, Paris. But as I said it, my voice went like, I can only describe it deeply like the devil. It was like Paris, Paris, Paris, Paris. It was like the darkest and it scared the crap out of me hearing my own voice. And I said this to you yesterday at dinner and you go, oh yeah, me too. That happened to you. You had the same in the beginning. Yeah, in the beginning stages, that happened a couple of times. It's several actually. It's the weirdest thing. I try to talk and come up, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, what the heck am I not talk? I had a hard time in the beginning learning how to see, learn how to move. Everything was fuzzy for me at first like a low saturated, almost like a black and white. For me, how it unrolled was in 1984. My mom passed away, 49, pretty darn young, major heart attack, devastated of course, because I don't believe in life after death. We never talked about it in my family. I thought everyone was skeptical of all this stuff. Some weren't. They were kind of hiding. But two weeks later, I see her ghost, her spirit, at the service. My dad's driving up in the car and I see her sitting next to him. And drives right up. I am right there, and she's, she's got a great posture. She's always, you know, telling, sit up straight. And I had people on either side of me, of course, and I'm looking at them and they're not saying anything. And I'm not going to say anything. I don't believe in this. I think I'm hallucinating. No, I've never taken hallucinogenics. I've never really hallucinated. So that's what I'm thinking, because I can see her full color. And she kind of pixelates away. I'm like, well, I've lost my mind. I'm clearly delirious with grief. This is my secret. I'm never telling anybody because, you know, it doesn't look good on me. That's the first weird experience. I did have a few paranormal experiences as a young kid, but that's an aside. Well, anyway, about a year after she died, I started waking up in my room because she would walk in. And I thought I was sitting up in bed. I'm like, mom, you're dead. What the, what is going on? And she just kind of smell it and say, it's okay. I'm okay. That happened 10 times, 20. Each time, and then I would wake up for real. So false awakening. And now looking back, I'm like, oh, these were probably pre-lucid or OBE's that I wasn't clicking to. And it got me interested in dreams, lucid dreaming, which I pursued and couldn't really do it. And then I found Robert Monroe's book. Like, I'd like to give Robert Monroe a big clanks here. 'Cause he really helped me a lot. His book, uh, Journey's Out of the Body. I love his books. Yeah, same. But I read his book and I'm like, wow, this guy did it. He's clearly honest. Mapping it out. I'm like, this is crazy. This sounds a little scary, actually. But he's like, you can do this. All you have to do, and he gave little exercises, relaxing and stuff like this. Meditation. I'm like, okay. 'Cause that's the kind of research I am. I'm like, I went ghost hunting. I saw ghosts. You know, I went big foot hunting. I had a big foot experience. You know, I'm looking for UFOs. I had those. I'm like, okay, OBE is, this is something I can stink my teeth and do. I can do this. 'Cause it's a natural human talent. You know, this is not something that only yogis can do. Anyone can do this. And he gave the exercises and I doubled down. I meditated an hour a day. And immediately my dream recalled double and tripled and quadrupled. I started having pre-lucid dreams. I'll never forget my first actual OBE. I go into my room. I'm a little depressed. A lot's going on, you know. I'm in college. My car's not working. I've got this UFO thing. I'm trying to handle. No, I'm like, you know, still dealing with my mom's death. And so it's a lot going on for a young man. I need to move out at this point. 'Cause, you know, I'm still living at home. And so, you know, a lot's going on. And I lay down on my stomach and all of a sudden I feel the vibrations. Robert Monroe talked. It'll be a mild electric shock. It wasn't mild. I was absolutely sure I'd stuck my finger in the light socket next to my bed. Because I was being electrocuted. And suddenly there was this pop. And I flew out of my body. I'm flying on control out of the room, across the hallway into the bathroom. I finally managed to stand up and I grabbed the counter and I'm looking in the mirror. There's nobody there. I'm out of body. This is real. Life after death. This is amazing. It's a hole in what that one second my life changed. And I got so excited, whoosh, right back into my body. There was someone in my room, by the way. Some five foot tall, maybe four foot. Like, who's the, what? My vision's so cloudy, I can't see. And I'm, you know, horizontal and I drop back into my body. And I jump up like, really good now. Look, I did it. - I'm doing a conversation, yeah. - So I did that the next weekend, same darn experience. Third time, I wake up and I'm standing next to my bed in the middle of the night. I'm like, oh, I'm so dizzy, you know what's going on. I'm disoriented and I shake my head. I'm like, oh, okay. What am I doing standing next to my bed? And I look down and there's my body. So now I'm thinking I'm dead. I died. This was probably not a good idea. I dived back in and I had to wiggle into my body. I'm like, oh my God, this is taking, where's my arm? It scared me. It did and I woke up and I almost forgot it. I came back close to forgetting it. But from that point on, I'm like, okay, I'm all in. I'd pop out and be like, I did it. - Whoosh, right back in. - Yeah. - Took me a year to just relax enough to come down. - Calm down. - I'm okay. And then I would be floating in the middle of my room like a spider on my neck. This is not working. Finally, I learned just think. - I would go through the door or the ceiling. Fly up over the house and I'd slowly explored, learn to get farther away from the house and I wanted to see my mom is what I really wanted to do 'cause this is why I wanted to do it. Is there life after death? And eventually she came and we hugged and it was the most amazing reunion you can imagine. And eventually, I popped out and I'm like, mom, where are you? You know, I'm here, meaning you halfway. Where are you? And she appeared. - Lookin' yum. And you should see me out about it. You know, I'm mostly bald. I had great hair when I was young. I used to get compliments. And I worked out, I'm, oh man, I look good. If I say so myself. - How do you know that you look good? - You can see, you're like, oh yeah. And you can create a mirror. - Yeah. - Oh, you can make one. - Oh yeah. - You can create anything you want once you get good at it. You can just, thoughts are things. You can create. - It's like instant manifest. - Yeah. That's how I felt, too. When it happened to me, it was a little scare. It was very scary. It was one of the most terrifying experiences of my life. The OBS, because there is a clear sense of careful what you think about. - Yeah. - And it was like, I knew that instantly. And as soon as it happened to me, the first thought was, I wanna go into a UFO and see an alien. This is the first thought that I had, but it was such a micro second. And right away I was, I negated it. I said, no, no, no, I'm not ready for that. That's too scary. And I knew that if I did, that that might have happened. And so that realization hit me within like a fraction of a second, that careful now. Whatever you want, you're gonna get. [BLANK_AUDIO] and if it's good or bad, you're gonna get it. And so I was like very cognizant of this, and I describe it as like walking a tightrope of fear of like, I just gotta stay on this tightrope, and I literally one foot in front of the other, I got blinders on, I do not wanna look over there for fear of seeing something I don't wanna see, and I'm just walking straight and narrow, and talking to myself, being like, oh my God, it's happening. Okay, just calm down, and just, I'm doing this, and you know, as I told you, I hear this female voice, being like, what are you doing? And that just skid, like-- - Let's conserve it. - I didn't wanna hear that, please don't talk to me. And I went right back to my body, and that was the last time. - It's safe, you should know. I mean, it's as safe as sleeping, you're doing it every night. - I know that though, but there's the difference between that, and then as soon as you're in, and it's like, and you're in the upside down, and now you're like, oh my God, it's terrifying. - Well, it's called the emotional body as well, and very emotions come in full force. - Yeah. - When I say I was excited, I'm kind of dumbfounded. - Yeah, I was beyond excited, and when you're afraid, it's biofeedback, kind of, doubles, doubles, doubles, and you're like, yeah, and I would get really angry sometimes. I was ready to wreck the place. - Whoa, I would get overcome with lust, and I could go into that, but it's two X-ray. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But I dealt with that, and I would create feasts, I get hungry. I would create feasts of food. Always the same. I create chicken, my favorite food is chicken nuggets, brownies, sour cream, nine potato chips, Neapol and ice cream, and glass of warm shoes. - And it would just all appear on a table, and I'd just gorge. - What disappears right around here, you can't get full. So I can kind of understand what a hungry ghost is, that's a term, or people who die who are addicted to something, I just cannot. - Can't feed it. - Cannot satisfy it. - But I got through all of that, and eventually, my mom took me to the other side, where it's more beautiful than words can describe. The green sparkles, everything sparkles. It's all radiating light from within. You can't be in a good mood if you wanted to. There's no way it is literally, I'm not a religious guy, but it's the heavenly realms. - I'll take that. - Sure, you can't be in a bad mood if you wanted to. - Right, okay. - Now there are lower realms. - I've explored those, and those are dark. - So you've done quite the exploration. So you've done, I've gotten good at it. I bought every book I could find. This became a big part of my life. It's like discovering a whole new world. It's like, once you're in, you're in. This is, I don't know why everyone isn't doing this. - It's the same feeling I had when it happened to me. I was like, I need to tell everyone about this. It would change your life. I think that's part of the monro protocol too, right? Robert Monroe had this, was it called like the T, that 1000 or something like that, or the M 1000? He wanted 1,000 people or 10,000 people, I forget what the number was, to experience an OBE because he believed that if he had an OBE, if everyone had an OBE, there would be no more wars. And I believe that. I truly do. If everyone felt that feeling, it changes the lens with which you view reality. - It exploded my psychic abilities. I started having a telepathy. I know what people were thinking to work. I'm like, you're lying to me. I could hear them talking. You know, they'd be talking to me, they're thinking something else and it gets garbled. I'm like, what did you just say? Because, you know, I'm hearing something else. I mean, it's crazy. I started having pre-cognition, dreams that come true, visions, driving to get some money out of the bank, right? I'm like, God, this vision is coming to my head of someone standing in front of the reddy teller. And he's a six-foot tall guy in a leather vest. Bare chested, long hair down to here and he's whipping it around like a maniac. What the heck? You know, why is this coming to my mind? This is insane. And I'd come around the corner of the bank and there of course he is right in front of the reddy teller, doing exactly what I saw. I'm like, okay, I'm not going, I got the message. I'm not going to get cash out of that reddy teller because this guy was dangerous clearly. But a lot of stuff like that. It's crazy, it's insane. So it ramps up your psychic abilities and I'd come back, I'd feel what people were feeling. I had to be care, I couldn't march violence on movies. I mean, it was just too much. I felt that way after the Monroe Institute. After coming back from spending a week doing the gateway process, have you been there? No, you should go. I would have loved to do it. At the time I didn't have the time or the money. Yeah, I'm pretty sure because you're in this field and have an audience and everything else, they would probably like, I don't want to speak for them, but I'll speak for them. I'm pretty sure they would do it for free. Oh wow. Yeah, I think they should anyways. I think you should definitely. Because I, I feel like you would be also, 'cause there are teachers and stuff there too. Coaches, but I feel like you'd have a lot of input based on your experience. It wouldn't be fun. I teach people how to do this now. I've got a little two page guide I put together. Really? Yeah. Can we link that for the audience? Yeah. 'Cause I'm sure a lot of the audience are going to really into that. I always tell people, just email me. Preston UFO. He's going to remember gmail.com. Perfect. And it's two pages. I've really narrowed it down. There's ways to do this. Of your steps. Yeah. Yeah. There's only four obstacles preventing people from doing this. Fear. People. It freaks them out. Skepticism. Oh, I don't think I can do it. Ignorance. They have no idea. You know, it's applied knowledge. That's all it is. In laziness, I tell people the steps and they don't do them. You do these steps. I'm almost guaranteed. You will start having these experiences. I can't guarantee it, of course. But yeah. Some people have a steep learning curve. They were really afraid. Others. I've told people like, you can do this. Come to my seminar. They come to the seminar. I already did it. You know, all you have to do is even know about it sometimes. Yeah. So. But it's, I can't recommend it enough. You can visit your past lives, enlightened masters. That is crazy. Healing temples. Oh, the stuff you can do is just crazy. Secret schools, kind of classes to do telekinesis and all those superhuman powers. You're there. You're flying. You're doing telepathy. You're doing telekinesis. Healing. That's a big part of it. I was taken to heal people occasionally. For like real people. Yeah. People that were like in hostels and stuff. One what's my sister, a couple of people, I don't have no idea who they are. I started. Were you with anybody? When this happened? Were you alone? No. Oh, they guided me. Yeah. I'm almost always alone, by the way. Robert Monroe, she's got his guide. I'm like, what the heck? Occasionally. I would have guides, but usually no. And they brought you to heal people. Now, that's interesting because you have a whole, you know, your, was it your first book? It was the 300 cases of healing extraterrestrials. Yeah. It's very fascinating. It was 100 in my first book. I read it. I found every time I'd speak, someone would come up and like, this is more common than people realize. You're going to get a lot of that after this. I guarantee you. You're going to have enough to write 10 books after this interview. There's going to be a lot of people. I'm sure that are going to reach out with these stories. Well, the healing is apps and I can say this hands down. This is not speculation. It's a part of the ET agenda. This is why people are being pulled on board for one reason, certainly because people, if you're going to get on a non board experience, you're almost certainly going to be examined. And this is so scary for people. I understand. These are aliens and you're like, I can't move. What's going on? This is crazy. Evil, evil, evil. Well, actually, you know, they're saying to you right now, don't be afraid. No harm will come to you. Just saying that every time people are taking the board, they will say that without exception. And this is when people, if you're panicking and you're in complete fear, that you're probably going to have missing time. And that's all you're going to remember. And yeah, it's a negative experience and you can call the ET's evil. Actually, I've interviewed, you know, hundreds and hundreds of people, about 5% free. We'll say, well, they were evil. They were there to hurt me. The very worst thing here is this exam, occasionally painful, because you can touch a person and if they're afraid, ah, you hurt me, you know what I mean? So I think one of the main reasons that people are being on board is a physical checkup. Because they will often heal you. One of my first cases, a lady was healed of an ovarian or a cyst in her fallopian tubes. Well verified, she went to the doctors and they're like, oh my God, you had an operation. This was the day before she was supposed to have her operation. Braze came to her room and so she goes to the doctor and they're like, well, we can't find the cyst. It looks like you have had an operation. Where did you go? She's like, she played dumb. And they said, well, there's fluid here in your fallopian tube. We know you've had an operation. This looks like a laser scar. Oh my God, this is not the only healing case I've heard of. Well, because there's Jacques Vallet had a very famous case of a medical doctor in France was healed of a axon on his foot and partial paralysis in the Algerian war. And suddenly thought of that police officer, that's Robert Good and Deputy McCoy, Damon Texas. They're driving in their patrol car, UFOs there, sends down the beam of light, heals him [BLANK_AUDIO] wound on his finger. His son's baby pet alligator had bitten him and healed it instantly. I'm thinking of all these other cases, a case in Brazil of a little girl healed of cancer. Ralph and Judy Bloom wrote about a case of a Peruvian customs official who's on his veranda. UFO shines on a beam of light. Cures him of rheumatism and weirdly myopia, near-sightedness. Crazy stuff. So I started, I'm like, I'm going to write an article about this. Because I've got my own case and here's a few, but no, this subject hadn't gotten any attention, really. There was one article written before mine. That was by Gordon Craton, of the flying saucer review. Yeah. And so I found that. But I found like 30, 40 cases off the bat. I'm like, wow, I can't write an article about this. This is a book. I dug in. I found 100 cases. Not 300. And I can tell you this, almost every major research route there has cases. Yeah. David Jacobs, he's not thrilled with the ETs. Yeah. You know, fine. But he's got a case of someone cured of diphtheria. I found our case and she said, well, he misrepresented it a little bit. My encounter was actually really nice. She loved it. So there was some fitting it into that threat narrative on David's behalf, you think? Yeah. I mean, I love him. He's a great researcher. Anyone who enters this field, kudos. Yeah. I'm very happy to see that. Yeah. Because he helped a lot. Definitely. But but Hopkins, he never wrote about it. I'm cornering him in the convention. I'm like, but do you have healing cases? And it's like, well, actually, yeah, we've got quite a few. And I'm really encouraged. You know, this shows a good side of the ETs. Yeah, but let's say John Mac, Barbara Lamb, Yvonne Smith, Yita Fiori, Tim Beckley, Brett Steiger. I mean, Michael Heseman, Artie Sixkiller Clark. You name and research, right? Bet you. They have a case. If they're focusing on the onboard experiences in particular, they all have them. And Orbs too, just coming in and healing people. And in hospitals, specifically, there's a lot of cases of that of just these Orbs coming in over people and just healing them. And same. Yeah. Any UFO researcher knows an encounter can happen anywhere. Yeah. You know, crowded suburb. Doesn't matter. But in a hospital, you're kidding. I found about 10 to 15 percent. Maybe up to 20 took place in a hospital. Really well-verified cases, some of these. Yeah, multiple sightings, like multiple people, multiple witnesses. Yeah. And so, yeah, I can see how easy it is to conflate that with miraculous, religious events. Yeah. I see how that ties in. And I see why maybe some researchers might be a little reticent or reluctant to want to discuss the healing stuff, because it does seem to cross over into the religious dogmatic spectrum. You know, we look at cases like Chris Bledso, a very famous case as of late. And clearly, some healing elements there, not only with the ET's, but specifically with Chris himself. Not unusual, by the way. Not unusual. Yeah. We had Eric Dansteele who was here who said that him as a child in the hospital, healed another boy after an encounter with an orb. And so, yeah, I can see why people would be a little pulled back from that topic. Well, look at it this way. When this subject became popular, most UFO researchers wouldn't even touch the humanoid cases. That was, took a while to bleed into mainstream research. Right. You mean like the space brothers type at all. Yeah. Donald Key help. Yeah. Wouldn't touch humanoid cases. Now, right. Which, you know, I understand him was new subject. And the last thing you want to do is bring in the wool. But, fresh retrievals, no one would touch those either. And now it's the forefront of research. And really, the heart of the UFO phenomena is, to me, first time in contact cases. Same. Because that's where everything we know, let's face it, about ET's comes from one source. And that's the people who've seen them. I don't trust the government on this subject. These recent disclosures, you know, what three days ago, I looked at the films. I'm like, really? Yeah. They're lackluster, you know, at best. Let's see the Air Force, uh, well, it was Edward's Air Force based landing. Cooper was there when it was filmed. Yeah. He saw the film. They have that. Let's see. All of the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. When, when, when Bray and Multree, the heads of the defense guy said, Oh, we know nothing about Roswell. Malmstrom, what's that? Come on. Yeah, exactly. The heads of defense. And you don't know about the, you get the Bob Jacobs video, like all that stuff. Where's that? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't gone through all the files. I've been once, but I looked at the films. I knew it. I predicted this. Yeah. We're going to see more fuzzy dots. And we did. Yeah, pictures and videos of, uh, amorphous objects behaving, like behaving prosaically. Um, the files, some of them are interesting. I went through them, but they're mainly, uh, just sort of some of them are interesting. I got to say because like they expound upon, they expand a lot of the cases that are out there already. The lines are more stuff. So there's like his whole thing. But then there's like, you know, the guy who he radioed into and like, so it adds a little bit more to some of these cases, um, even there are, I think four other people around the same time that Kenneth Arnold had his sighting that recorded discs is prior to Roswell, right? So, um, it's all in and around that. I think that was pretty cool. But again, like you said, I'm not holding my breath. They promise more, but that's what their MO is. We know this. If you talk to Frank Fichino, his book, shoot them down. Yeah. That kind of lays it on black and white. Yeah. No, they've got plenty of footage that we're not seeing. Yeah. I mean, we've seen footage from these aircraft of missiles that are clear as day that are like the best footage you'll ever see. It's 8K footage. Yeah. I mean, some of these whistleblowers I was talking about, they've seen these footage. Where's that? Yeah. And they talk about how there's symbols on the craft that they can read. And I'm like, well, you got to have pretty good cameras for that. And sure enough, we're not seeing that. Yeah. Either it doesn't exist, they're making it up, or they have it and they're not sharing it, right? Yeah. Well, here's the way I look at it. You know, we think of the government as three, you know, uh, separation of powers. We've got judicial. We got legislative. We have the executive branch. That's not the government. The real government is the intelligence agencies, the military industrial complex. All name names. I think it's the energy industry, the banking industry, the insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry. These are the folks I think are behind that is the government and the highest levels of the military. That's who's running the one percenters. Yeah. There is a cabal. There's no dot in my mind. Uh, so those are the ones I think who are behind the cover up. Ultimately. Yeah. It's very hard to pin down, you know, because you can't use the freedom of information to act on these folks now. No. No, and there's a rotating door of this sort of fraternity of these people where they're in and out of these positions into another one. They go from, you know, one government contractor, they go from Northrop Grumman to SAIC to like blah, blah, blah, blah. In these, they're just constantly rotating doors at the top and very few, very few of these people. President, you know, I think there's some people in the loop who are within government who are bad actors. I think you have to be. Yeah. If you're controlling this. But I don't know. It's, it's, that's not my specialty, really. I'm more into the whole contact thing. I am as well. But I can tell you for sure that healing is part of it. And here's what's also really interesting, because the UFO phenomenon was, it's historical. We know this. It goes way back to, you know, ancient India. I mean, stone carvings. It goes back to when we recorded history. And you can see this all the way through the middle ages and upward. The Romans called them playing shields so far. I mean, no, it goes way back. But 1947 something changed. And this coincides, of course, exactly with the atomic age when this huge super wave sweeps across the US. And people start getting pulled on board. And we can pretty much predict what's going to happen when someone's taken on board. They're going to be physically examined. And if you don't freak out, if you can just remain calm, they will talk to you. And almost always, Thomas Bullard outlined this. He was the first guy to readily study 300 some cases. And this is what happens. And he's absolutely right. They will give you a tour of the craft every time. And it's the coolest thing. I've had it. I talked to a lot of people. They will take you down to what we would call the engine room. You know, the UFOs don't have much in them. But they will show you this, you know, how they fly or what powers their craft, which is almost always something to do with electromagnetics, free energy, anti-gravity, harnessing the magnetic field lines of our planet. People give different variations of this, I think, depending on their own understanding and what they could grasp. But that's absolutely probably one of the first things that happen. And they'll take you to what I would call the observation deck, the side of the craft. And they'll open it up. And most people will see the earth below. Or not what? The first would be a star field. They'll show you the stars. Then they'll show you the earth. Then they'll show you the moon. Got a number of cases that people have shown sat pattern, which is so cool. It's a very recognizable planet. But they will take you even to other planets. So that's pretty consistent, I would say. That's the best word. - Yeah, but then they show you something else. A lot of times. - I mean, there's all kinds of things that can happen. - They, I mean, you know, from what I've gathered, too, is like, almost without fail, you'll be shown or told something like terrible. Like a lot of times they'll be images of like, very bad things happening to the planet. - Well, that's the next thing. The conference is what Thomas Bullard called it. And they will start often, put through your own personal life. Like, oh, you're gonna meet this person. You need to move from this area. You're in a good place. You need, you know, to do this, do that. Or this is going to happen to you personally. And then they will start talking about the world in general. And yeah, the messages are incredibly consistent. Four main areas. And I don't care if you're talking about grays, mantids, little blue beings, tall whites, strange humanoids of all kinds, 'cause there's an endless variety of what I would call ethnicities. I'm not sure they're different species personally, 'cause the ETs will say it over and over again, that's one of the messages we are you. Like I said, you are us. But they will, the first thing, nukes. They don't like them. They say that we are damaging areas that weren't even aware of. We're on the pathway to self-destruction. This is a bad idea. They know where all of the bases are, all the missiles. They will almost always mention the dangers of nuclear proliferation in any capacity, nuclear material. And beyond that, it would be war and aggression. They're very much concerned about how we treat ourselves and each other, pollution in the destruction of the environment. Those are the three main areas right there. Guiding corruption, that does come up also. But basically, and this is very encouraging to me, 'cause people are like, oh, they're evil. They're evil, you know, to try and take over our planet. I'm like, I don't know. This seems to me that they're much more concerned about how we're treating our planet ourselves, each other, 'cause that message is very consistent. And if you're a full-on contactee, almost certainly they're gonna sit you in the pilot seat at some point and like, would you like to try it? Or, let's go for a ride. They seem to be very interested in elevating people's, I'll use that word, elevating, enhancing, encouraging people's psychic abilities, 'cause it's a rare contactee that isn't having medium-ship, precognition, astral projection, remote viewing, healing, you know, the whole spectrum. And here's something really interesting that kind of shocked me, 'cause I'm looking at these healing cases, and all these people are being healed. Come on, I could use a healing. Millions of people out there are dying. You know, why aren't they being healed? Why don't they just hand over the technology? Of course, that would be a huge mistake. We weaponize everything, and everyone got healed. Well, we already have a problem with population control, but who can, okay, who's being healed? Who's being healed and why? Who's being contacted and why? Well, we know it's generational. That's absolutely established. And there's a random aspect, too. If you're driving down a highway late at night, opportunistic, almost, it is. There's so many people who've had that. It's a one-off for them, which is so rare, 'cause most people, if you're being taken on board, you probably had experiences as a child. But I was interviewing this lady from Norway, she heard about my healing research. She's like, I gotta tell you what happened to me. It's the craziest thing. I was in my bedroom and Grey's came through the wall. I could see this blue light outside. She said it was so scary. They flipped me over like a rag doll. She was screaming at them. Like, why are you doing here? Didn't answer. Maybe she wasn't a lot of fear, 'cause I think they will talk to you. But if you're in fear, it's hard to communicate with you. You're not here in it, yeah. But she says that they put this thing on my back, and she described it. You know what a lint remover looks like? A little handle with a cylinder? I've heard people describe this. And that's what she described. She says, they put it on my back. And I felt this pulse of energy, and they filed out through the wall. She ran to the window and the blue light winked out. So a short experience, three, five minutes. And I'm like, okay, and she's, they healed my back. I'm like, oh, I've got 20 cases of back healings, right? Stomach aches, cut fingers, colds, blues. Everything with cancer, liver disease, kidney disease. arthritis, name it diabetes, tuberculosis. Pretty much this long list that's growing. Bucks, I mean, they're going to come from light years or wherever to heal someone's back. Okay, I mean, they are. So whatever, she describes this. I'm like, okay, let's go through the list. Because there's 20 questions I ask people, one more. But you know, main things to see if you're a contactee. Childhood experiences, nope, do you have light sensitivity? Have you seen orbs? UFO is missing time. Nope, nope, nope. She had none of this. I'm like, okay, this is odd. She's not showing the markers of a contactee. And so I'm like, okay, I started asking, you know, the hard questions as I got better at this, you know? Do you do drugs? What's your political affiliation? Just random questions looking for patterns. That's my specialty. I love finding patterns. And finally, she's like, well, you know, I asked her, what do you do for a living? And she's like, I'm an, I was a graphics artist. I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting. I've interviewed quite a few artists. But she says, actually, you know, I'm retired. And I don't want you to use my name because I'm pretty well known in my community. I work as human for human and animal rights activism. That instantly rang about. 'Cause I had just interviewed Reverend Michael Carter. I don't know if you're familiar with him. He's pretty well known in this field. He's written some books, had experiences. He was healed of a blood clot in his leg. A dangerous condition. He had, was awarded by President Clinton, I think, for his work against racism. I thought, oh my God, there's John Hunter Gray, social worker. He had a major healing event. Sorry, clicking, click, click, click. Jacques Filet's case, that was a medical doctor. Ray Hernandez had a case involving a doctor. Nurses, I'm like, oh my God, okay. People who are doing good work for humanity in some capacity, these are the ones being healed. They're healing the healers. Well, I mean, let's see, I found doctors, nurses, writers, teachers, artists, artists, musicians. They love musicians, crazy. But animal rights activists, environmentalists. Pete, they're interviewed this couple who is in Sedona. They said, no, we weren't a doctor. We were invited on board. They were human looking. There was nothing in the craft. All the stories you hear. And she asked, he was healed of a carpal tunnel syndrome in a bad knee. He was a postal worker and did too much walking. I'm like, okay, she's an herbalist, herbal healer. And he is a social worker. They live on Hawaii and he helps out. And she asked them, like, why don't you just come down and fix everything like, we can't do that. You have to solve your own problems. Heard that in a million times and saying, yeah. And they're like, well, why did you contact us? And they said, well, we're helping those who help others. We can only intervene to a limited degree. And like one lady, she had a car accident. The ET's told her, well, you basically died in this accident or healing you. We can't heal everything because some of these are karmic. You chose this as a lesson. Yeah. So that might be why some people are being healed and others aren't. Right. I don't know. Yeah, maybe a bigger plan. But there's a lot going on here. You know how many rabbit holes are on this hill? It is astounding, but nonetheless, I think each one of them deserves all the attention. And that's part of the fascinating thing about this stuff. It does seem like a giant, untapped well of information. And it's exciting, but it's also kind of disappointing. Because as researchers were like, no, there's a sea of information here. There's a, I can't go through everything. It's impossible. No. And just the magazines we were talking about yesterday. And those magazines have gold in them. Like there's cases in there that were written down once and never, you know, to be spoken about again. And you would find some of the, you know, some of the answers you're looking for in these cases. And just to dig them up and to find them, it's so time consuming we were talking about, Marlar and, you know, his, you know, UFO sort of archive. There's so much there, so much to look through, not enough boots on the ground, not enough people doing it. People have no idea that the general public has no idea how common this is. Yeah. How much evidence there is. It's so common. It's funny. I heard a quote from Jalen Heineck. One in 40 people have been taken on board. I'm like, you're, no, that's, you're crazy. And I thought, I started surveying all the major researchers. And, you know, but what's it but Hopkins who called it an invisible epidemic and Jacques Fallet? He's like, well, you know, there's millions of cases. There's far more. So I wrote this article for the move on journal called one in 40, which basically, you know, they quotes from Whitley Strieber and all the major researchers. And this is more common than we realize. - Yeah, and it was one year later, 1991, the Roper. - Paul came out, major polling organization. They found 150, better than the move on journal, wrote me back, it's like, you predicted this, I'm like, well, no, I didn't, but it was timely. But when I heard that, I'm like, "God, I must know somebody." - And mostly benevolent as well, mostly like good experiences. - Yeah, I mean, that's a tricky, very controversial. I'm not gonna gaslight someone who says, "Oh, my experience was horrible. "How dare you say that this was for my good." - Yeah, no, mostly good. - Yeah, by vast majority. It's a bit of a mixed bag in the beginning. Because almost always people will have some form of PTSD, you know, nightmares, insomnia. It's difficult for people. It is very scary. But we're very fear-based on this planet. And what I see is a very set pattern of evolution when people, if you embrace your contacts, and you really want to find out, almost always people kind of come full circle at some point, like, "Well, I was healed. "I did have a spiritual awakening. "My psychic abilities are off the charts. "Now they gave me these warnings. "I followed their guidance. "And I've had a few people say, "Oh, this was horrible. "I mean, one guy's convinced they're demonic. "I talked to him. "He was up what we would call my laptop. "He admits it. "He worked at a Pendleton, shame on those folks. "That keeps coming up. "People went to Pendleton. "Come out with a not okay." And they hypnotized him, they gave him drugs. He had this weird reptilian experience, so I still don't know if it's true. (laughs) 'Cause he was a fun, great contact. He had wonderful experiences. And those are the people who are targeted by these nefarious government folks into believing that it's evil. So, no, I don't think that they're here to hurt us, harm us. I'm not gonna say this is all puppies and rainbows. 'Cause people will come at me. Like, oh, you're an alien apologist. I'm like, no, no, hold on a second. I'm trying to be very objective. I'm reporting the facts. This is what people think. This is their experience. I'm not putting words into their mouth. You know, if you look at my books, they're largely quotes from the witnesses. Because I want them to tell their story. It's not my story. It's theirs. So you think the MyLab stuff, which is like, you know, the militaries. After those of you wondering, it is the military pretending to abduct people, but with a sort of evil ulterior motive, basically, siopping people into thinking they're being abducted by evil aliens. That's like the whole MyLab thing, right? - Yeah, I thought it was pretty rare. I'm kind of starting to realize this could be a bigger problem than I originally thought. - There are many cases of military involvement with some abductions. - Yeah. - Like you look at abductions, they're like, oh, they took us to a field where we play and with these other kids, but they're regards around with guns. And you go, wait, what? - Yeah, I see. - A lot of VTs, like that doesn't make any sense. - It's really hard to unpack some of this stuff because that's another question I'll start asking people, do you have a military in your family? Is anyone in intelligence? Is there a military base? - It's a pattern there. - A little bit, yeah. But I don't know. A lot of people have an military in their family. - That's right. - I've brought my great grandfather and my great grandfather were colonels. No, from that point on my nephew, he's in the military itself. - Yeah, but intelligence seems to be one of those things, like whether you look at the story of Harold Maumgren, which feels like he was kind of guided into these synchronistic sort of moments of his life, really key moments where he then found himself at the right place, at the right time, you know. And then. - I think a lot of people who are kind of talk to these are in these holes. And I think that's intentional. I'm part of the ET is to sort of perhaps do what they can. - From the inside. - Yeah. It's interesting that lady I told you about at work, was like, oh, my daughter's having encounters with grays. So I talked to her sister. And I like to dive, you need character references. Her father's an intelligence. We don't want to say what he does. Never did find out. The wife doesn't know, nobody knows what he does. So I wonder about that. - You wonder if. - There is a dark side of this stuff that's unfortunately very human. - Yeah, I'm worried about the government folks more than the ET's. - It's see, yeah. Let's say the ET's have been around forever. Are there evil ET's out there? Probably, look at us. We're not that great. We're living beings on a planet. Are they visiting us? I don't know that I believe that. Remember the Brazilian face peelers? - Yeah. - The Brazilian face peelers, but also Kalaris. - Yeah, I'm wondering if that's sort of a precursor of the false flag, some of this. 'Cause, you know, we are flying this stuff around. Yeah, from what I understand. But if you look at like major waves of sightings, in France, 1954, huge wave of sightings, landings, humanoids, if you look into the timing of that, I started looking into the timing of UFO events. Dolly, she's like, you need to really start looking at the dates of some of these incidents and see what's going on in the world. So I started doing that. That's when we were allegedly discovering anti-gravity. CERN was put into place right in that area. At that time, this is to me a huge message. The Tank of Canyon, UFO wave, June 14, 1992 to '94. June 14, 1992, there was an environmental summit meeting in Europe. The, remember the Farmington wave, St. Patrick's Day? - Oh, yeah, right by Aztec. - Yeah. - Yeah, 200, a fleet of like 200 saucers. - I looked at that day, they announced that they had just discovered artificial radioactive element, California. - Whoa. - Okay. - That very day. How are these connected? - I don't know. - Well, I mean, could be. And I think it's interesting too, 'cause I think it was Howard Menzel was like right at the scene immediately, which for me is a big red flag when you're like sending that guy around to like, say, oh, it's St. Patrick's- - No, Donald Menzel. - Donald Menzel's right now, Howard Menzel. Yeah, and they sent him along and then they go, oh yeah, everybody was drunk, it was St. Patrick's Day and that was Mylar Balloons that were exploding in the atmosphere for two days, you know. - A big one releasing smaller ones. - He exactly read one and yeah, very strange. I spent some time with the Ramses out in, yeah, they're amazing people, I love them so much. - I spent so much of their own money. - Half a million dollars and more. Half a million plus, just researching. - People think, oh, you're in this for the money. I got a few books out there, I'm not rich. - Yeah. - You don't make a whole, no, no, no. - Some do, yeah. - Whitley did pretty well with the community, but he was the timing with that was perfect. - Yeah, but when you look into researchers, like, first of all, the Ramses make their money elsewhere. They got a root beer company and they got all sorts of-- - I worked full time for, are you kidding? - Yeah, and so, but the work that they did was so substantial and they're coming out with the new book. They're, I think they're final book, but like, they keep adding to it, 'cause they're like this, more stuff that keeps coming out about this case. - Frank Scully wrote about it and make, God, they debunked him so bad. - Oh yeah, yeah, and that was a good book. - It was. - Yeah, a lot of Easter eggs in that book. - And William Steinman put UFOs over ours to prove that, yeah, Gabor and Newton, Silas Newton. - They were absolutely framed. - Yeah, he got it down. I'm like, oh my God. - Oh yeah, and people, people are like, no, those guys were like snake oil salesmen. And they're like, no, they weren't. They were very successful actually. One of them was like a real estate tycoon. The other one had like oil money. Like, they had a lot of money these guys. - It was a very effective method to quash. - Any research into crash retrievals. - Yep. - And thank God for myself finally coming from Stanton Friedman, breaking that story. - Yep. - 'Cause that opened the door for, there's a lot more crash retrievals, even within the UFO community people realize. - Definitely. If you were to name like five crash retrievals that you think absolutely happened without a doubt, what would they be? - Well, Roswell, and another one connected to Roswell. - Yeah, Aztec, the Paradise Valley crash. I wrote a series of books about various states. California, Arizona. They all have 'em, Colorado. - Kingman. - New York. - Kexburg. - There was one at Greeny Mountain in Colorado that Crystal Bryan looked into. That raises a lot of questions. Somebody died over that one. - Oh really? - And it's suicide. Yeah, I think it happens a lot more than people realize. There's some really interesting California cases. There was a case up in Salinas, I think, in 1947 where this tiny little saucer, they called it the Air Fires and they scooped it up and we never hear from it again. So there's a lot of these little smaller ones. Like you said, these magazines have these jewels in them. I subscribed to the UFO News Flipping Service. Thank you Lucius Ferish and Rod Dyke because they really helped, I think, to for posterity to save these cases and that's been very helpful in my research. But yeah, this is a lot more common than people realize. Move found in Newfark or receiving for years, 10, 20 cases a day. Talk to any UFO researcher and they will tell you most people don't report. - Yeah, it's right. - They'll be very generous in saying it's one in 10 'cause it's closer to one in a hundred honestly. So times they'll, that by a hundred, 10, 20 cases. - Yeah. [BLANK_AUDIO] A thousand cases a day? - Yeah, and you don't have to look further than just like your own entourage. Go out and talk to somebody. They'll all of a sudden admit to you something so insane and like, you go, wait, I've known you forever. My father before he passed, he also, you know, he was a staunch like skeptic for all of this stuff. He was military, but he was like, man, you know, very sort of, I don't know. He had a kind of jarhead mentality. It was just like army, you know, get up train. - Which I understood. - Dude, the thing, yeah, he's been the war. Exactly, you know, he's done all the wars and stuff. And, and then, you know, he sits me down one day and he goes, I was talking about John Mack to him because I always talked to him about this stuff and he'd always kind of just go, I don't know. He doesn't like engaging with it, you know, kind of. - Yeah. - And, you know the type, and, but I'm very pushy, especially with my dad and I'm like, no, dad, listen, this happened. He was proof, you know, and I was talking with John Mack and he goes, and he was very sympathetic that day. And this was towards the end of his life. And he goes, maybe one day I'll tell you about what happened to me, right? And I go, hold on, tell me now. And he goes, and you can see, it was like a little shaken up by it and he goes, okay. And he goes, when I was around nine, I was on a paper route in Montreal, downtown, and delivering flyers to apartment buildings. And I remember it was like noon, it was beautiful day, summer day. And I open the door to the apartment complex, I put the newspaper, the flyer into the, into the post, you know, boxes, mailboxes. And he's like, when I went outside, it was pitch black. It was like 11 p.m. at night. He was like nine. So he had no idea what the hell happened. He doesn't remember anything. So he goes home. He, you know, suffered a savage beating from his father because that was like, you know, where have you been? And he thought he was lying, because my dad's, I don't know. I can't tell you. And he tried to beat it out of him, you know. And my dad was like, I still don't know. And so he's like, that's, he's like, never looked at it since, you know, and my dad had severe PTSD, like from war, like very, very severe. So I know a lot of people when they heard me say that story, they were like, ask me if you want to be regressed. I'm like, not a good idea. I'm like, not that guy. He does not, he wants to be repressed from wanting to be. - This is generational. - Yeah. - So there's a sign, very interesting. - Oh, man, oh man. Yeah, the whole missing time aspect, parents out there, if they're listening, listen to your kids. - Yeah. - Because how many people have I talked to, had an experience as a young kid? - Mm-hmm. - That's when it starts. More parents are like, what's the dream? - Yeah. - Maybe not. - Maybe not. - Another agenda, these ETS are up to it. - Well, yeah, I was gonna circle back to the agenda 'cause I feel like it's not just healing. - No. - What else we got going on? - 100%. They are putting on a very carefully orchestrated, vigorous publicity campaign. - A put what? - Yeah. - What do you mean? Okay, I'm on board. Today, they really, really wanted to know that we are not alone. Simple. And you can see this because people, you know, the amount of sightings is off the charts. I started, I put out a challenge on my YouTube channel, I'm like, name any town, any place on earth. I don't care how obscure it is. One guy tried to form me and he's like, I'm gonna stump you. He named this town in the Arctic Circle. I can't even pronounce it, it's an Eskimo name. I found a case there. - Wow. - I've got a list of over 1000 locations from viewers. And I'm going on the list, I've worked about 200, not quite. Check, check, check. Every single one. People are trying to stump me. I'm like, this town has 200 people. There's a couple who have stumped me, but I'm not giving up yet because I'm pretty sure. But yeah, I'm finding a case in every single one of these places. So what does that tell you? Either, I mean, first, the main takeaways, it's a lot more common, it's all over the world. But why, are they doing this on purpose? I think so. 'Cause what we see across the world is every five years or so, maybe three, maybe seven. There will be a major UFO wave. Huge. I mentioned the French wave of 1954. On the heels of that, I just found out Venezuela had incredible wave from, you know, October through January of 1954 to '05. And I just did a whole outline of it. Really intense. Humanoid's the whole deal. In November, the second week of November 1957, there was a rash of sightings and landings and car stallings in particular across the United States and the world. And here's this weird connection to world events, Sputnik. So thinking there, 1965 was a huge wave. Of course, the Phoenix lights, golf frees, with Virginia, Hudson Valley, to Penger Canyon, all across the world are these major waves. And it's often these little towns kind of near big city centers. But this, I think, is part of their publicity campaign. So you think it's deliberate that they're being overt? Yeah. Well, Frank Salasbury wrote the Utah UFO display. He termed, you know, invented the term UFO display. 'Cause generally speaking, let's face it, UFOs are evasive. You know, they're not flying around any old time. Can't go outside and like, then there's another one. So, but he owned all these cases where they were deliberately showing themselves. They're chasing cars down highways. Yeah, or doing like, incredible maneuvers for nothing. Like, what do you do in doing this? So where are you going? You know what, really drove it home for me? I'm, you know, I do this full time now, but all my spare time was meant to be researching. Working full time, I'd do on weekends and at night. And I heard about this case. And Zimbabwe, I know you know what I'm talking about, the aerial elementary school case. Oh, that's cool. What a great case. Still one of my favorite cases, where the UFOs land next to the playground. ET's come out, talked with you, the kids. Oh, great case. Now we know there was a teacher who actually saw it too. She did not come forward initially. But I thought, God, that's interesting because there's that case in Australia. The West all case, 1966, April, right? I thought, wasn't there one in Florida? I had to look it up, Crestview Elementary. One month or one year to that day, after West all. And I'm like, okay, I'm on to something here. Broadhaven, Wales, I remember that one. It's the same thing landed behind the school. ET's come out, kids, I love their drawings. Yeah, it's so cool. And I thought, okay, there was that other famous case in Michigan at the college, Hillsdale College. Now here's, this is when it cemented it for me, because I was looking in the back case. And I really dug that UFL landed. Not a lot of people know that. This didn't just have it landed by the school. It was there for two hours. 87 students, faculty, police saw it. This was there a while. This is another display. Jim and Coral Lorenzen, love those folks. There are pioneers. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Said, well, gosh, we've got a lot of school yard cases. We think this is a preparation of some kind. Maybe they're going to openly contact humanity. Raymond Fowler, another hero. You know, the Andreas and Affair, Alagash, productions, great thorough objective researcher. Love him. He's like, I have 15 cases. This is in April, you know, the 1966. He says, I have 15 cases so far this year. Eight are over schools. So he noticed it, John Keele mentioned it. Like, well, these folks knew it wrong. No one's talking about this. The Verone is citing as well in Russia. There's another one. Right. And so that was two weeks before West all. Right. Oh, wow. They're saying, oh, it's going to happen again. It did. Yeah. So I started looking at this. I'm like, OK, let's dive deep. Because I had my own school yard. A couple of them. You know, kid was on a Catholic school in Hawthorne. And UFOs came down. He was taken from the playground. And I'm like, OK, I look through the books. Or in many cases, in the, you know, 100 books I had. Two, well, let's face it, it's 300. But I started going through the UFO news flipping service. You know, apro, move on, nightcap, cubos, all those UFO reporting centers. I hit gold. I cried when I started discovering all these cases. Because this slid under my radar for decades. I'd been a researcher for a pretty long time. And I found over 100 cases. It's now closer to 200 or 300. And these, this is so interesting to me. Because these cases are daytime. They are coming down very low level. They're long lasting. They're putting on a display. Little craft will come out, they'll dart around, get this. They are landing. And origin when it's being seen in full one-third of the cases. Whoa. Help. you know, landings are relatively rare compared to sightings. Yeah, daytime landings on top of that, and half these cases do involve teachers, half. Yeah. And some really interesting aspects. Half the cases are primary schools, elementary. Kids, you know, there's argument, our kids good witnesses. Of course they are. Yeah, they're great witnesses. I think they're better witnesses the most. Yeah, what I love about them is they don't say, "Oh, it's an angel." That's this, exactly. They're like, "Well, what's this tiny? You know, it's silver." It's two people you can trust to get the truth is a drunk person or a child. Yeah. And you can tell when kids are lying. If you're their parent. Yeah, certainly, but I've found so many cases, and they were such clear displays. There is, I don't know if you knew this, but recently, I think George St. Pierre shared a story on his Instagram, George St. Pierre famous UFC fighter, but he's very much into this topic, and he started his own podcast. He recently spoke to Paul Trim. Emily Trim? Emily Trim's older brother, who was there. Oh, he was. And he was much older than the other kids. And he's got a story. God bless Emily Trim. So sad that she left us, but she went forward. She did. And I think Paul was always pretty reluctant, but I think he's kind of ready to talk about it. And yeah, so there's, I think there's something coming out there that'll be pretty. Yeah, I don't want to go too far into anything in case, you know, I don't want to break the story or say anything. I haven't talked to him. So I would love to talk to him. But I know that George and Luigi did. Luigi has got a close relationship. Yeah, he had a close relationship with Emily, you know, for a long time, and Lisa. I still does with Lisa as well, who is another witness. And she was one of the two girls, you know, Emily and Lisa were the ones that, you know, got right up to it. Yeah. Remember the messages they got? Yeah, same again. Yeah. Stop chopping on the forest. There's a good way to use technology in a bad way. You could do better. Exactly. Yeah. A big warning against technology, which is wild, because in the 90s, we're like, yep, what was in Bobway? Like what are you talking with computers? Like what do you mean? We're playing solitaire on these things. No, it turns out they were right. Technology was a problem. And we're seeing it now. There was another case from Ray Fowler, where the UFOs came down over, you know, some school in Massachusetts. That was his hometown. And it was during a football game. This was that night, one of the rare, rare nighttime cases. But a bunch of people saw it came down so low over this one woman, she soiled herself. Oh my gosh. Blue book called it Venus, by the way, without doing any investigation. Like Venus is going to make someone that scared. But that UFO went straight to the nearby college three miles away and scared the pants off of everyone in the quad there. There's a really interesting timing aspect to these cases. It is exactly like an artist or a book, you know, an author or a musician doing a tour. They go from city to city to city to city. It was a plan. Yep. It's very the timing of this is insane. If you started to look at it in the locations, I'm like, okay, I mean, this is clearly organized. And then, and this is kind of a segue, right? But I started looking, I got this case at work, you know, because we had a high turnover in my office terrible place to work. I'm so glad I'm out of there. I was a bookkeeper basically. I did a full charge bookkeeping accounting. And they would always bring the new employees to my desk. Oh, presence of your full researcher, if you've got a story, you want to know. Oh wow. How generous of them. Yeah. I got a lot of great cases from there. I bet. And Claudia Blasios had this amazing story where she was, you know, a young kid and they were at the Paramount Drive and Theater in 1972, I think it was Southern California, a UFO shows up. I'm thinking this is, this is unbelievable. I've never heard of anything like this. Comes right down next to the screen, classic flying saucer, chrome, making a wishing noise. She's, they first noticed it because suddenly everyone's dropping their drinks, their popcorn, they're running to the cars. Remember the old-fashioned speakers? Yeah. People were driving off and they come right off. Oh wow. That's how scared they were, right? And she's, these are parents, they're hypnotized, they're looking at this thing. She's like, oh my god. What's that? And they're like, they stayed there. You know, some people stayed. Some people left. They completely forgot about it. Didn't remember it at all. Till Claudia and her mother were what, listening to the radio in the kitchen, some years later, some guy comes on and says, oh, I was at the Paramount driving and the UFO showed up and I was right next to the thing and this movie was on. And Claudia turns to another, we were there. Do you remember that? Why haven't we talked about this? So that her mother's like, oh my god. I don't know. So there's that weird something else going on here. I thought it was a one-off. Like, wow, a private theater case. How crazy is that? And then I'm doing UFO, you know, research for UFOs over Colorado. This book I'm putting together. And I found one case of UFOs over a driving theater, my high theater, Dr. Zavago is on and the UFO shows up. And I'm going through all the databases and fun another. I found three in a row. I'm like, well, that's kind of odd. I wonder if there's more of these. So of course, I scour the books. Found one and somewhere in the skies by, oh god, what did this name? Such a good researcher. He's going to kill me at any rate. There was one there. And I thought, okay, going through the databases, I hit gold with the new flipping service. There's other new flipping services, the magazines, the journals. I find a hundred cases again. My goodness. And this is just like the schoolyard cases in that they're putting on a display. Yeah, they're seeing a group of people not too big. It is a controlled size of a group of people, right? Because it's not a stadium. No, it's a captive audience, too. They're all kind of perked. Yeah, you can't get out if you're in the center. It's a really interesting piece of data, obviously. Yeah, but in almost every case that come right down over the screen or either side, Pete Davenport, Newfark, had an amazing case at a driving theater. Really? Yeah. And I started looking into these same darn thing. They're there for a long time. They're releasing smaller craft. They're darting around. People flash their lights at it. It flashes back. It's insane. I have to tell you this case because this one, oh god, here we go. Cover up, right? Right. Because none of these cases were ever declared unexplained by Blue Book, but they knew and I found the proof. The terrorist drive in 1952, Bakersfield, California, you have both shows up right over the screen. This one's cigar-shaped. They're usually saucer-shaped, but you know, you get all shaped, egg-shaped, spheres. Right over the screen, it flashes its lights, set the audience. It came dropped down, flashed the lights, took off. That one was quick in terms of the average sighting. There was two or three hundred people in the audience. Back then, the press wouldn't ignore you if you were a citizen. But if you were in the military, they'll interview you. There was an officer in the movie audience and Sheriff Lee Roy Hatfield starts getting calls from people who've seen this thing. He's the closest police station to this driving. And after the fourth call, he's like, hang up, you know, I'm going to come down there. So not thinking that anyone's going to still be there, but there's a hundred people still there, and they're jibber-grabbering about this. And he gets 20 tests to my third lining up. They're like, I want to talk about, he's like, no, no, I got enough. I know what you saw. They're all describing the same thing. Wow. So he writes up this report and sends it to the nearest airbase, which just happens to be Edwards. I found the report. It's marked action in big red letters, and it was sent to three places to the commanding general at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. Well, to the head of intelligence at Washington DC, to the commander of air force base in Colorado, where we track in the coming and outgoing traffic. You can't tell me that they didn't know about this because I found another case right after that. Same darn thing. They knew from the beginning that this was happening. What year is that? 52. See, that strives me crazy. Well, I mean, you know, we have proof that they knew. Like, I mean, even if you look, you're familiar with the, what's his name? Wilbur Smith, memo. Yeah, you know, the logic magnet. Lear is day. Clear is day in writing. You know, this is the minister of transport. He's got, you know, he's pretty high up in the Canadian government. Just got back from the United States and says, all right. Number one, flying saucers are real. Get over it. Number two. Oh, yeah, it's mental. The thing that phenomenon has a mental, you know, component to it. And yeah, number three, Vannevar Bush is, you know, ahead of this and he's working on it. Like we have, in 1950, a clear outline that, oh, they're not only well aware of it. It seems to be priority right now. - Yeah. - And then he drowns. - Yeah. - And a lake under suspicious circumstance. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's a shame. You know, there's, you have four researchers who've met suspicious ends and yeah. Certainly a lot of people whistleblowers. Dangerous thing. Why don't Stringfield certainly talk about that? - Yeah. - Another hero in this field. - Yeah, absolutely. - I love those older researchers. - Yeah. - James McDonald, Leo Sprinkle, Jack Corolleyne Hill. - Jack Corolleyne Hill. - I mean, Nick. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah, there's a, there's no shortage of cases from what I'm hearing. And not only are there no shortage of cases, something that I find more fast things that you've been able to really hone down on patterns and those patterns then start giving way to a potential agenda. Is there anything else in the alien agenda that sticks out to you other than their healing people that can heal and help the world? They are displaying because they want us to know. I guess the, the part of me that's a little conflicted is there is also what feels to be some type of horrible end for us. - Oh yeah. - Right, whether it's coronal mass ejection, whether it's atomic warfare, whether it's, you know, something, there feels, there's this dumber sort of looming energy that they're potentially helping us through or hoping that we realize or that we get to that point, right? But if that's the case, why bother saving us? Why bother giving us a light show? Like what's the point if that's gonna happen anyways? - I think that they feel a sense of responsibility, a sense of altruism, perhaps. I, why not? I think in some ways they look upon us as their children or friends, certainly contact these, a lot of my talk to feel like, oh, these are my friends, these are my family. And if you saw someone trip down, are you not gonna go and help them up? Most people will do that. I do think we're paid, this is a very common message. Again, they will show people atomic explosions. One guy I talked to, great case. A Navy medic, Kevin Cameron, I love his case. 'Cause, you know, I got to interview him face to face. I talked him over and over again. He had this very extensive encounter where his, he's on a Navy ship, right? 600 feet long. His bunk mates, like, oh, I'm a contactee. And Kevin's like, ah, sure, sure you are. He's like, no, no, I am. You know, they've taken me around my childhood. I've been on their craft. They took me to their planet. He's like, ah, that's true. I wanna meet your little green friends. Correct, what? He's like, I'll arrange it. I'll see. And so he comes back a couple, they're still on the ship, right? Somewhere in the Mediterranean, or let me think, outside the Bernuda Triangle. Okay. - In the Atlantic? - In the Atlantic. This is like 78, there are bots. Okay, I think, at any rate, he comes back a few days later and they're like, oh, they took me to your house. And Kevin's like, why are you talking about it? It's like, oh, yeah, you out of Shagrug. There's a milkshake stain on the back seat of the car, the colors of the curtains. All correct. 10 years before, not now. So, like, almost a weird time travel aspect. They showed him his house in the past, but it was correct. So now he's thinking, what is this guy in time travel? Is he a CIA? What is going on? And his friend's like, well, they agreed to take you. So they'll be coming in a couple of days. And he's like, okay, sure they will. Couple of days go by. He shows up and he's like, okay, they're on deck. It's your lunch hour, you know, it's high noon. They're Kevin is right near the deck, right? He's a clerk. I know his name. I've tried to look a map, I can't find him. It's an unusual name. But anyway, Kevin's like, all right. Not thinking anything, right? Goes up on deck and there's this massive craft. It says it was bigger than the shit looked. And it's got flashing colors. And it's just the most beautiful thing he's ever seen. So he does what I always tell someone to do. If you see a UFO, get another witness. You know, if you can get two witnesses, that's a credibility to your case. If you can get 10, this is a front page news headline, you know? So he runs to the mess cook. So it's shaking his shoulders. Can I get his attention? It's like he's not even there. And so he's freaking out. And suddenly he's looking down at the ship and it's getting smaller and smaller. And he realizes he's inside this thing. He's like, oh, no, I'm A-Wall. And he hears this male voice. It says, no, they don't even know you're gone. So he's afraid to turn around now. I'll summarize this a little bit because I can talk to him. No, please don't. Please get into as much details you want. I'm riveted. All right. So he's afraid to turn around, right? He's seen metal walls. There's just a console. Very primitive. You know, a couple of lights on it. That's it. It does almost look like a Star Trek set. Yeah. It's just nothing in there. Herbert Schirmer type deal. And yeah, well, not not even that much detail. He had a lot of this nothing. This is how people usually describe it. It's kind of what I look for. Empty, right? Nothing in there because when they need something, it'll come out of the floor or wherever. Sure. And he said, it was awfully high. It was like up to my neck. It's like, well, that's a little. And so he starts having this conversation with these folks. He's still afraid to turn around, right? And two male voices talking in perfect concise English, which they often do. They'll speak in your own language, usually. And he starts asking one of these questions, like, where are you from? And he gave me, he said, a holographic star chart appeared. And he could see the solar system and it shrank down and it just got bigger and bigger. And way off in the distance, this is blinking red light. And he said, that's our planet. And it's called, and I'm like, well, what is it called? And he gave me this look, I can't pronounce it. There was a bunch of consonants. I'm like, I'll just try. And he even, couldn't do it. And we're like, all right, fine. I asked him how big was this room? And he gave me this look like, how am I going to explain this to this guy? He's not going to believe me. And honestly, it changed size. The room changed size. I'm like, ding, ding, ding, ding. Here's a detail that I'm giving away this away. I shouldn't, but because it's kind of one of the things I look for, because they can do that. And so he's asking, well, you know, what do you eat? Are you going to eat me? And I'm like, no, you watch too many horror movies. We eat fish, we eat vegetables, we eat the same things you do. He said, did Roswell happen? Because he knows a little bit about UFOs. He wrote a paper, is a young kid. And I'm like, oh, yeah, Roswell happened. And they said, since you started exploding nuclear bombs, this started a countdown clock. And all these events will happen, and you cannot stop them. And they showed him a window. And he said, it looked real. He said, it may as well have been looking out at actual reality, and showed him hurricanes, tornadoes, landslides, earthquakes, just a list of disasters. And they said, all of this will happen. You can't stop them. This is because you've been messing around with nuclear power. And when you started, you really caught the attention of everyone out here, which makes sense, because that's when the modern age of UFOs began. He asked him about politics. And I'm like, no, we don't discuss politics. We're not going to go there, which I thought was interesting. Smart. And so he's having this long conversation. And he's like, well, what do you look like? He said, we're not little, nor not green. And sometimes dark appearance will scare people. They turn around. And he turns around. And he said it was the scariest thing, because these were mantids. Oh, yeah. And he's like, they were sitting on these white kind of thrown like chairs, stone on a dais. I've interviewed this guy over and over again. I finally got him on the radio. So there was a recording out there because he was very-- This was the skeptic initially, right? Now he was-- Yeah, I mean, he knew UFOs were real. Yeah, but the other guy who told him, oh, you're going to have a-- he was like, well, brush it off. Poppycock. There's no way. Exactly. So now he's-- he's a military guy. He used-- is it OK to swear? Yeah. Well, he said, I nearly shit my pants. Yeah, that's what he said. Oh, my god. And so you know, I-- Oh, yeah, a few more events happened. I did kind of gloss over some-- they took him to his hometown in Kankake, Illinois and showed him his mother working as a school teacher, what she did. It was daytime there. So the time wasn't quite aligning. She's writing on this-- she did this little religious school and writing on the chalkboard phrases from the Bible and stuff. And then they showed him his father, who worked at a bank, looked through several rooms into the center of where he was, having an executive meeting. And tells him, your parents were good people. They did a good job with you. And he says, what? You know me? You know my-- so this is really like-- oh, my god. This is very-- they showed him as a little kid. Then they showed him what looked him like a bombing range. He's thinking, "Where is this? This is Arizona. What's going on?" But it was gray and then come over the horizon and there's the earth off in the distance. And that's when he sat on your shipments because he realized that they're over the moon right now. Well, told you they do this. He will show people the moon. So anyway, he turns around. This is towards the end of his experience and they're praying mantis. And one gets up off the dais and takes three steps and is right next to him. And says they were pressing their 15-feet tall. Now I'm trying to talk him down because you know people can exaggerate. It's very tall. Yeah, he's six foot two or he passed unfortunately. But he's like, "Look at me. You see how tall I am. I'm like, yeah." He says, "They were more than twice my height. It was like standing next to a basketball hoop and backboard. This thing's looking down at me." And he was trembling. Now, his head was a very benevolent experience. They didn't even examine it. Just scary. Yeah. For honest reasons. And they said, "Would you like to go to our planet?" He said, "No." "Okay." And still mad at him. And he said, "They reached out and grabbed his shoulder. He got a really good look at their hands which weren't normal. They were claw-like." And claw-like. Were they like. Not so much like I've heard from other people. Because you hear that a lot. Yeah, but they had very long arms. He said. And one sort of section here and one section here, put their hand on his shoulder. I'm like, "Why don't you say yes?" He's like, "Listen. I felt like a bug next to them. I thought I was going to end up in some alien zoo." Yeah, or stew. I'm like, "Okay." It was scary. You got to understand that. I guess so. You never know how you're going to react. No. You'd like to think that you'd keep your marbles about you and your wits about you, but the truth is that you're probably going to have a visual terrifying reaction to whatever it is you're seeing. I never did. You didn't, but you also had decades of preparation. Not everybody has that. Knowledge overcomes fear every time. That's why I do this research. People deserve to know. I'm going to share with you something though. I want to share with you something that I'm not going to. Well, let me just end this one more sentence. Sure, yes. He wakes up. He's on his cot. He's sweating. He's hyperventilating. His friend whips open the curtains like, "So, how'd you like your ride, grinning from your deer?" He was furious. He ended the friendship out of this guy. Forgot a lot of this. He forgot a lot of the experience until he's watching a praying mantis show on TV and it comes flooding back. He said all these disasters. A lot of them did occur, including a motorcycle accident that they showed him. He thought he actually died in this accident, but no, he didn't. He got a bad concussion. They showed him this and he remembered it right as it happened. But yeah, he's a good case. He's a twin. His twin brother had encounters. There's a twin aspect. Okay, sorry. I hope I didn't. No, yeah. No, this is super. I'm specifically fascinated by the mantis cases. I mean, the human looking ones as well, all of them really, but the mantis ones seem so interesting. So interesting because they have this air of this sort of royalty about them for some reason. People wear purple cloaks sometimes. Yeah, cloaks. Caps like they are. They are always in the back. They're never at the forefront. There seems to be like, okay, we'll have the small grays, the humanoids, the tall grays, but then way back here behind Curtin, you got these overseers, what seems like. And I'm not sure what that is, whether they're just like an older species and more ancient and wise species. Talk to Dolly about this. It says yes. It's the Gestalt that I have from here. I follow an account. I think I only follow one account on TikTok. And it's this one. It's a mantid encounters. Yeah. And it's just that, right? It's just these encounters. And presented a couple of my cases. Really? Yeah, I think it's so interesting. The one thing that is kind of elusive with this is first of all, a lot of these cases with the mantids happen psychedelically, right? And so it obviously puts like a negative filter on, oh, did that really happen? You know, are these just yeah, do you know what I mean? But but you hear a lot of that, right? These bug-like creatures. There's a case in Montreal. And it's a case eventually that we'll dive into on this channel as I'm working with the witness and trying to so this witness had an encounter and called the police the middle of the night because her dog, you know, woke her up squealing like just giant dog big anorexia. Doberman. Yeah, it's like this weird sound. So what the heck is that goes out dogs frozen like she starts taking pictures of the dog. She's like, this is weird. My dog, you know, just like this in the kitchen, one 30 in the morning. And her door was slightly ajar due to them. They're like replacing the lock or something in their apartment. And so there's the apartment complex hallway outside of that. And and she she kind of sees like a figure moving and she has what is that, you know, she kind of intrigued. And as she moves close to the door, she asks it, hey, you want to come forward and she starts snapping pictures. Ends up seeing this thing. Maybe this tall, very strange encounter. Lamented? It wasn't exactly a mantid. So it's like, I'll show you the photo. And I don't want to put it up and the reason is I do not have permission. So I won't put it up. But eventually, hopefully you'll see this. I'm working with the witness now. And who knows, you know, maybe this whole section gets cut. But she is she's trying to like talk to it in different languages and Romanian and English and French. And she's like trying to communicate, are you good? Are you bad? If you're good, please come forward. If you're not a demon, like she's religious at the time. And it comes and it starts like moving its mouth like this. And it's it's got a big head. Big eyes. It has two things hanging here. Like meat, she said. Yeah. Yeah. And arms like this with a separate set of arms. Oh. And some type of carapace. There's some type of something on the back. And it was like, I've not heard that light skin with like dots like very strange. And she takes a bunch of pictures. And then she describes slipping into a dream. She's like, I slipped into a dream. After this, I woke up. It's now four in the morning, lost several hours. She's not into UFOs, but at all. Like she's not. She didn't want to be any. You know what I mean? It's got to be social. Well, so she was afraid. But then she was also like, she's like, I was excited. Like a kid in a candy store at one point. And she's like, I didn't feel like my apartment, even though it was my apartment. She's like, I don't know why. It's just maybe I was in the ship. I don't know. It's a psychological response, I think. Yeah, maybe dissociation. And anyway, she wakes up. The dog's in bed. The thing's no longer there. And she's she runs and wakes her husband up. And they call a police. And the police and she's like, I wouldn't call a police if I didn't have the photos. She's like, you think it was crazy. You know, she's and so she didn't want to talk about it for a decade because she's she's like, oh, there's a demon. That's still a popular theory that this is demonic. People will say, oh, you know, well, how come they go away and poke the name of Jesus? Like, well, if you came to me and you started saying, in the name of Jesus, go away, I'm, you know what? I will give you your I'll respect that. That's a good point. Yeah. Well, by the way, we're two hours already. We're just going to keep going. But whenever you feel like, hey, I'm spent, let me know. I could talk to you. Well, it's not going to happen. Okay. Well, let's go. I'll try to be good. Yeah. Whistleblowers. Okay. There's a few people I've talked to and my gosh, we're not hearing the vast majority of stuff that's going on in government circles. Okay. There was this guy interviewed Ray Sachs. He's getting elderly. A lot of the whistleblowers I've talked to are wanting to do their part for disclosure because they're getting old. And I can tell you, most major researchers have these kinds of accounts. And it's always in blessing when someone comes forward to you with credentials, which you can basically fact check. Because a lot of people have stories and stories of stories. Yeah. But this guy, Ray Sachs, I verified his employment. You know, I did my due diligence to the extent that you can. A young man, 1971, he's on the USS clamigor. This is a submarine and had nuclear tip torpedoes, which this was not publicly known at the time. Going up the east coast of the United States, you know, some miles offshore at about 12 knots. They're on the surface. He's electricians made. I think on the clamigor, right? Young man. And he's up there with another petty officer and the commander. I know who it is. I don't commander. Boy, you know, God bless you, but you covered this up. So I'm calling you out on this. He's passed. So and the second in command. So there's four men up there. And this submarine's booking along at 12 knots. When a USO on an invited submersible object comes in at over 100 knots from the stern at an angle and starts pacing the clamigor right off. You know, anything within a quarter miles considered in near mass. Let's see. Sure. And this was right up, you know, meters away. Feet. So Totally silent, and the guy interviewed Ray Sachs, his job is to be in touch with those folks that's in the sonar office, and so the commander was like, what are they seeing? And they're not seeing anything. There's no evidence of this thing. It was a big, white, round light just under the water. They couldn't see any solid object, but some's there, and it's not far away. But it was like 20, 30 feet across, big, and they're all looking at it, and he's jibber jibbering with the other. He's like, maybe it's Captain Nemo. Didn't think that was funny, the commander. So they're talking and talking and seconding commands like, just shut up. We're looking at this thing, and so they're all watching it. And one by one, the higher ranking officers come up on deck, because they want to see it too. This is just kind of like, I want to see it, and it pays this clam guard. He said for about 10 or 15 minutes, and everyone went below, and there's still them for, and it darts off at like 80 knots. This is faster than our submarines can go. Of course. Even unofficially. Because I've talked to some sub narrators, and we definitely can go faster than most people think. But not that fast. No. Maybe knots, that's equivalent to 80 to 100 miles an hour, essentially. And I have to tell you, I've done a lot of research into USO's, and I've got cases where they're moving underwater as fast as people see it in the sky, zipping, not disturbed by friction. Right. I think they're probably partly interdimensional or something. Force field, I don't know. We can only speculate, and I don't like to speculate in this field, because you're right off to deepen seconds. But he saw this, and to me, this is another clear cut case of them showing their interest or warning people about news, their capability. I'm like, do anything else strange happening? He's like, yeah, sure did. We were underwater, and the engine went out. This can't happen. They've got backups. They were completely dead in the water, scared the living daylights out of everyone, and they didn't all went back on. They didn't see anything, didn't hear anything, and just, what is that? Crazy. He was on other ships and stuff, and nothing happened until he got close to that nuclear stuff. I often think of that case, because it's just another example. There was another guy, Dr. Gary Wagner, who was on the USS Long Beach on the other side of Catalina Island, nuclear-powered, very, very big hotspot as well. And they had UFOs show up, probably two other cases, I love these cases. One guy on his deathbed, my heart, oh my God, these people, I'm just like, what an honor. He says, I need to tell you this story. He says, I was a subcontractor at Edwards Airport space. I'm like, ding-ding-ding-ding, Edwards. If you research Edwards, it's a rabbit hole. Yeah, absolutely. And I did. I wrote UFOs over California, and it's got everything that you could ever, you could learn everything you wanted to know about UFOs from just researching Edwards. That's how extensive the activity there is. And so I'm like, oh my God, okay, go on. And he proved his case to me, because he had the lingo, I mean, he knew what he was talking about, I verified to the extent that I could, his employment. And he's like, yeah, they use us because we cut through all the red tape, they don't need any official things, you know, the funding, they just hire people who are not part of the military. And they're like, we need you. He wouldn't tell me what he does. But he's walking across, like, tarmac there, and here's this buzzing noise, very low, whispery kind of, whooshing noise. And turns and looks, and there's a hanger with a big open window. And there's a UFO, perfect, shiny mirror like, size of a little sports car hovering right above the ground. And he's like, oh my God, turns to his employer and says, look, what is that? His employer gets whys the sheet, jams his finger up against his lips, you know, shut up, didn't even speak, wouldn't talk. But he kept asking, what is it, he's like, you shut up now, you weren't supposed to see that. You know, you start talking about this for both in trouble. So that's where it rested for a while, a couple of years go by, and his employer calls him again, it's emergency, we need you, you're the only one who can do this, please, it's like, I'm not doing it. I'm not going to work to you unless you tell me what we saw. So they get into what he's called a pissing match and finds like, okay, let's go to a bar, you know, some place to scrape and had a couple of beers and he says, if you ever tell anybody, this is trouble for me and you. So he waited decades, this is like late 1980s, I think he said, when this occurred. And his employer said, what you saw was not a UFO. This is reverse engineered from ET technology using the concept of the counter rotating magnetic fields. We can create a magnetic field on the outside of the craft, which propels the craft in the desired direction. That's all I'm telling you. So, well, interesting, right? That makes sense with Edward's Air Force Base, I'll tell you that, there's so much testing and stuff going on there. I don't even doubt that most of the sightings that happen out there are just all us. And one more case, Mel Hanson, God bless him, older guy, he's like, well, you know, Mom Strum, he reached out to a number of researchers and I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested. He reached out to me. I'm like, Mom Strum, you know, because I know Mel Strum, March 1967, they shut down the missiles. Those are all independent systems, you know, Robert Salis, of course, his bookfaded giant. Great guy. So glad he came forward. So Mel Hanson saw this on, on self mysteries, I think it was, he's like, oh, I guess I can talk about it. So he says he was there, again, not military or subcontractor, he maintains the missile bases. They were at one of the sites. Again, he had the lingo down, like this guy was for real, just, you know, you never know for sure, do you? But you do your due diligence to try to fact check everything to the extent you can't. And he sounded legit to me. And he was the supervisor. His team was underground doing maintenance when the stars started disappearing over the missile site. And he's like, I don't know, I can't tell you how big this thing was or how high up, but there was something above the missile. And it shut down. And he says it immediately went back online, he said there was this eerie silence right before. Really, it was just everything ghostly quiet, the Oz effect kind of thing. And stars start disappearing. The missile shuts down. Now there's backups. We would hope so. There it is. I think he said it was first, it went to diesel power because it's electric. And the diesel generator went on and all went back on site. That went out. And then it went back on the third or the set, I guess it would be the second backup, which was battery. And that went down. So boom, boom, boom, boom. They knocked it out very much intentionally. And it moved off and it was still knocked down. They're an hour away from Mountstrom. And these are very widely separated areas. So he's radioing. Something happened. They're like, we're on our way. We'll be there in less than an hour. We'll pick you up. Took him and his team. His team didn't see anything. Just him in the security guard, who was just losing his mind and didn't want, they don't go out. Get, don't get out of this jeep. You are remaining in the jeep, because this thing was still there. Yeah. And he got out and looked at it. He goes back to the base and they gave him the riot act, basically a full day of this didn't happen. This didn't happen, this didn't happen. So an amazing case. And another witness to this, there's a bunch of witnesses. They're still coming out to the Mountstrom case. Yeah. I mean, most nuclear facilities have, especially when you have any type of warhead or any type of like weapon of mass destruction. I feel like there's a lot of activity in those places, like obviously, you know, thinking of, thinking, yeah, thinking UFO and nukes, you know, how many cases are in that? It was like 116 or something or individuals who have come out and talked about that stuff. We have next week here, I got Mario Woods coming, Mario Woods, who's very familiar with his case. Not off the hand now. Yeah. He was a senior staff sergeant, I believe. And he was working at one of these, one of these facilities, housing nukes. And he was a security officer and an orb the size of a Walmart, as he put it, comes right down over the silo and like opens it up and like, things are turning on now. Boop, boop, boop, boop. And everything's going live. Like this thing's going to launch and he's thinking to himself, literally the thought that he had that he told me is like, I thought I have to drive my truck into the hole. So to like trigger some failsafe to get this newt to stop from launching. Wow. Like, that's how panic he was, you know? And then. You know, it's a clear cut missing time stop playing with the notes. Yeah, missing time and then also ET interaction And through that and and this guy's like the most like again, these people Work around these facilities are if you take so much as an aspirin You have to write it down like these are people with all their wits about them their mental faculty is constantly checked Because you have to you have to be a very sane Very normal Very psychologically balanced person to work anywhere around these facilities and you are monitored like a hawk And so yeah, if you're looking for a credible witness Look no further than the people who work at these places because that is their entire life is being a credible witness One guy wouldn't talk to me. I had to do it through a medium You know, basically he would tell me so it's a completely here-sized story Right, but he worked at an underground base in Alaska They gave him sodium pentathol hitting hitting it away every single week So they could know every single thing he did he got out of it He they said they pulled him out of high school. He had fantastic scores on his SIT He was he was Brad field of knowledge. Yeah, they were looking for And he wouldn't tell me what his job was But he said this was a base in Alaska. That was seven stories down. They worked on three things Sensing devices that can see through solid objects biological warfare that what we know is nothing and Electromagnetic devices that are reverse engineered from ET craft that most of what people are seeing in that area is not ET I learned very early on something guy told me was like you need to know that Most of what people are seeing that most he said like 20 30 percent But Michael Shradd is not telling me no. It's closer to 70 percent. Well, what people are seeing is you know us So yeah, do you think that there is an imminent human invasion That'll be sort of hoaxed in our lifetime Oh the false flag. Yeah, I sure hope not, but yeah You do think that that's a possible how high is your conviction on a percentage scale that that's gonna happen within our lifetime Oh God I couldn't give you an exact number, but over 50 yeah, yeah, I'm worried about it I think we're seeing signs of it I feel like our government is pushing a fear of threat narrative militarization and the media certainly is very fear-based Yeah, so they love it scary story, but I don't know this is not my area of expertise and but ET's have basically said this they've told people this Uh, so I'm worried about it You know, I've got I've got so many down ET stories from people like oh lady saw 15 foot praying mantis fall out jogging Oh my gosh. Oh my or lady I worked with saw this little alien statue on my desk screams like what's that? I'm like Connie What do you think it is? It's an alien just like both I saw one of these when my son was a new barn There's that weird connection to yeah, you know chill our pregnant and yeah little bit She said this thing tried to get open her window It's a fixed window. It did not walk through the wall. It's looking at her little baby in a crib trying to open the window It woke her up this kind of squeaks weak sound she sits up in bed. It looks at her slams her down in bed. She can't move She can't cry out After three minutes it walks off she jumps out of bed scoops up her baby until her husband Something was out there window that's a monster. We're getting out of here And he's like you just had a dream. She's like my snow dream. That was not a dream. She went to her mother She wouldn't come back for two weeks. So I'm not coming back unless we get guard dogs And they did and she's like I'm we have to move. I'm not staying here. I mean that's how badly it affected her She's like I worked with this lady for quite a while and she must I don't you know preach like I'm a you have a researcher So I'm not really not at work, you know, yeah But she saw that little statue that my boss had given me it just triggered and it was a statue of a mantis little great little little gray Oh Yeah, the lady was saw a mantis was a teacher and she goes out jogging at 3 a.m. And she's in Dallin, Illinois This is right around the time that O'Hara and I go to her incident. Yeah So you can date that was a 2000 2006. Yeah And O'Hara in Illinois is a pretty country town And she comes up to the tea intersection Kyle Avenue. I'll never forget it She described it. I looked it up on Google. It's all correct. She was saying And she sees what she thought some man on stilts walking down the middle of the street. This is like boring. Oh my god The the horrific image of a man on stilts. I think is more cares on it. Yeah And so it walks right into the street light. I saw the street light Well, and she said this thing came up more than half the street. So she knew how tall it was whoa And she's like it's got it's 15 feet if it's you know Anything they seem A mantis yeah had those little things it's big triangular head eyes the size of basketballs Oh, that's what Kevin Cameron said. They told him they speak any language on earth easily They know that our governments do have ET technology. They told them all kinds of stuff. They're like way more advanced. Yeah There was a tale of a Another military guy who said that He heard he overheard Um, he was at area 51 and he overheard someone in their conversation saying yeah, keep the humans out the the mantids don't like them And so whatever that means and he was like he came out and said like I don't know anything, but I heard that you know Well, you know, that doesn't surprise me. I don't like a lot of humans. I would like those humans either and I'm I love people But sure and some of the folks on earth are so yeah, it doesn't stop here doesn't make the mantids evil It makes whoever they're working with I told you before I'm worried about how you know Our I hate to blame you know use the term governments because sure But the way we're being treated is not okay, yeah You know our government should have our best interests in mind and I don't see that something they do not Yeah, I'm concerned about it I think the individuals who make up the government are 99% really good people or believe that they're good people or You know some but I think that they're very one percent You know Poisons the well, you know, because when we use broad terms like the government I know people who work for the guy who clerical, you know The wonderful people in like you know doing paper work and just you know doing whatever people work for the government There's there's transport yeah, there's a whole like the government does do things that are just normal too Um, but lumping them all in together like there is like you said earlier on there's a cabal at the very top That is unobjectively Evil Um don't write yeah, I mean there there's no morals there now and so when it is say, you know, don't like them I think that they're very much aware of what we're doing. I think they're aware of every darn one of us. Yeah, I miss planet. I really do And you know, I love finding patterns and strange cases the high strangeness Here's high strangeness for you. Well, it's yeah ET phone calls Thinking this is you know like a ET calling someone. Yeah, okay. I'm interviewing this guy from upstate New York doesn't want his name you so I think his first name was Kenneth. I'll go that far. Okay Full on doesn't like this stuff. You had missing time. It's very traumatic for him Then pulling them on board showing him his hybrid child like isn't this great. He's like no What horrified and like loving this child at the same time. Yeah, it's so really really hard for him. He's a nurse At any rate right before this happened he's driving along and his phone Starts to ring it his cell phone In a way that he's got a song set up for when it rings, you know what the music. It's not doing that. It's going And it says no number And he's like just ignoring it and it keeps going finally he answers it And here's this clicks clicks with the time is coming in this weird voice Not a normal voice And he kept getting these weird phone calls and my mind starts thinking My God bud Hopkins His case with Debbie Jordan Cobble. Yeah, right the Wednesday night phone calls Wait Ray Fowler Betty Andreessen. She had this too Um, these weird phone calls she said lots of clicks and elbows and tease and I'm like, oh my God. I started digging jack sarfati. The yeah, no Yeah, the famous call from the future or whatever that was. Yeah, so I started I found all these cases Which now this fits in because ET's are electromagnetic effects sure No, I recently looked at the case where this guy saw a UFO on TV. That's the image came of ET's coming out One week later that happened to him a lady in update new york saw gray on ET on the television. Yeah It was coming through that I talked I was at a convention once this guy comes up to me He's like you're gonna think I'm crazy. I was in my house The TV screen comes on and shows the interior of a UFO little grays walking around so he runs up to get his parents Wait can't get them to wake up running through the house. He's looking at the TV Losing his mind looks out the window. There's the UFO hovering overhead goes back to the TV and it fades away If you have a really amazing thing like that, I'm like, no, I sure I haven't. Well, I have now. So, yeah, they can affect electromagnetic instruments in ways that our ET contact can happen in a variety of ways. What about the Ashtar command? Not buying it. I'm on the side of the fence. Yeah, that's fine. I just mentioned it because it did fit into this. I mean, there's a crazy pattern that found a bunch of cases of UFOs hovering over prisons. Oh, really? Landing next to it. ET is coming out. One guy pulled from his jail cell, put back in. Oh, that must have been a good day for him. It was for a while. I don't know why they didn't just take him out. Yeah, yeah. Just on the other side of the wall, putting back in. He was, and I talked to him personally. Wow. He's, he spoke French. I speak French. Well, I can speak. I can't understand it. Sure. I took it for eight years. So if you speak real slowly, I can. But he spoke in a way that I just couldn't get it. And the recording wouldn't come out. So mad. But he was in jail for smoking marijuana. Oh, which now looks like with a terrible offender. Lock him up for life. They put him in his house or in some, yeah, I think it was his house. Yeah. I never got to record, you know, transcribe the interviews. I can't really use it. Yeah, sure. If you're not going to let me record you and yeah, it's making it. I can't use it. Yeah. Because I have to be very, I have to have proof that at least talk to this person. Of course, yet minimal journalism, but yeah, Colorado prison. They visit it three, four times. I got a case of landing, the humanoids. Tell me about some of those. I want to hear about maybe just like one or two, because these ones fascinate me as well is the ones that look like us that are among us. Yeah. That you hear about, you know, that kind of just blend in. People don't seem to see them. And then somebody goes, oh, you look strange. And then they talk to them in their minds and go, you know, she can see us. Oh my God. Or have you, have you had some of those people call in? Or like, or hit you up in terms of it. He's walking in or at the mungus. Yeah, people have had encounters with with those. I've certainly got human looking encounters, human, but in terms of walking among us. I'm sure I have. I'm trying to think of one. But like human looking ones, like you're, you're speaking of those are on board. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, because I've had a few where people are like, no, I was, you know, at a grocery store and you know, they were wearing just the beautiful glasses. Yeah. So I do know about a whole bunch of them, where people like John Hunter Gray and his son, Richland Center, Wisconsin, had a full-on abduction. I don't like that term. Sorry. On board encounter. I stopped using it because I was offending people. I call them onboarding experiences. And they felt it was friendly anyway. So, prior to their onboard experience, they're at a gas station. They, you know, he remarked on this as being connected. There's this little guy, four feet tall, wearing a fisherman's cap, covers everything, you know, gloves. It's a hot day. Glasses. Sometimes you can't see anything, right? And he's, they could see his eyes through the glass and have beady little eyes. And they're, you know, contacts. He's almost always mentioned the eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes. So he's like, who is this? Why? This guy. He's so weird. He's staring at us. This is crazy. So they go away from the gas station. This guy follows them. I think it was in a VW bug. All the way turns off that's when they're car stalls. That's when you have all hands. And that's when they're taking on board. Oh my gosh. And of course, Betty or was it Debbie Jordan Cobble? Met the ET on the bus. People have seen them in restaurants. And go swan. Has that one famous case? Rose Restore. Yeah. Yeah. There was Richard Dolan, shared a few with me as well. Timothy Goode. Yeah. And then I had one. I actually emailed this guy back just yesterday. But he told me about, yeah, it was a hardware store to very tall, six foot, nine, six foot, ten women, beautiful twins, dressed identical, walking in lockstep in a hardware. The most insane thing. And nobody turned their heads. Hans Holzer. He wrote a book about UFOs. He's got this, it's a student. I'm Shane Kerr's student who was walking to school. This is West Morrowland High School in New York. It's when I can remember these details because the UFO stuff just sticks in me. Yeah, yeah. But at any rate, this guy approaches her and he's a weird looking. He's got this white thin blonde hair, pale pale skin, the large dark eyes, weird clothes. She couldn't describe him. She was too kind of like, who is this freak? Is how she put it? Yeah. So I was asking all these weird questions. Like, where are you going? What are you going to do in there? What's volleyball? Just off the wall, questions. And she's like, he's a creep. He's a creep. And he said, well, come with me. Come see my white car in the field. She's like, I'm not going with you. And starts to walk away. Turns around. He's gone. There's nowhere to go. Her friends come running up for like, who is that weird guy? I have no idea. This is right in front of the school. It's like three weeks later. She sees him in the liquor store and he's staring at her. Same guy. And she rushes out. Of course, shortly after that, taken on board, there he is. And it's a pretty traumatic encounter for her. Where I think they had intimate relations. But makes you wonder, because I've looked into these cases. Yeah, there was a guy interviewed. This looked like a gray on a bus. And I've come to look for like three things. They're behaviors unusual. They're appearances unusual. And they're clothes are unusual. And this thing was, and they'll talk to you telepathically. That happens a lot. Yeah. That's what you hear most is just this clear sort of, oh my god, she can see me. Yeah. He pulled his chapter. I gave him, whenever I write about something, I send them their chapter. I'm like, and he fact-checked it. And I'm like, okay, we're going to publish the book. He's like, I want to pull out. I'm like, oh, really? Why? Whatever. You know, that's his prerogative, certainly. Yeah. But I'm so disappointed. Because it worked so hard interviewing him and getting everything right. I mean, that's fine. I'm not going to blame him. Because it's a big deal. It's super strange, too, for someone to go through life having to acknowledge that versus not having to. Very enticing to do the latter. I think for a lot of people, and I think rightfully so for some people, you know, some people are just, hey, I don't want to make my life about this. Like, I'm a person. I have a family. I have relationships. I have a job. I need to do these things. And so for me to derail all of that, because of one happenstance that perhaps I shouldn't have even been a part of, doesn't make sense. And I can't blame people for that. I blame the government. Yeah. Again, in quotes for not allowing, yeah, exactly for the ridicule. Yeah. Delegitimizing this whole subject. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And done so clinically. Yeah. And effectively. Yeah. I mean, I bought it. Yeah. I thought I was a smart. No. I absolutely bought into it. Yeah. Now it's this term of their inner airspace with impunity. That term, I'm kind of sick of hearing. Yeah. Who's airspace for one? He's here first. Yeah. Our airspace, our sovereign airspace. Yeah. I don't think they presented danger to aviation either. So yeah, they come around our crafts and it could be dangerous. I'm like, yeah, we could have collisions. I mean, please, let's have one. Let's acknowledge a collision then, you know, if they're flying around there with the amount of. I looked into it. I found a few cases of people who hit UFOs with their car or ran over an ET. There's a few. But statistically speaking, it's insignificant. It's less than 1%. Yeah, there's the case. There's a few Mexican pilots. Yeah. That one where they go up on top and on the sides. Yeah. And it damaged his landing gear. I think that that plane was going to go down. Yeah. And they're like, they'll take you. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. But I thought I wondered about that. Yeah. There's the other guy too. Carlos, forget his last name, but he was a young, who was his first solo flight that he was doing and he got commandeered by like some channeling entity and then they recorded that call or whatever. But he's got a whole bunch of missing time there. Didn't know like his fuel tank was full by the time he landed and like this. Yeah. Super mysterious. Yeah, there's so much fun packed with this field. I'm really glad it's moving towards mainstream. I don't think we'll ever get disclosure. I think what we're seeing now is for one reason only the secret government. That's what I'll call him. Yeah. Is losing control of the narrative. Now there's an army of researchers out there. There's an army of experiencers. The evidence is mountainous. If they don't come forward and say this is real, they're ridiculous. They look not credible. Numblyable. They're irrelevant now. And frankly, I have zero sympathy. They dug their own grave. Here's the way I look. Disclosure to me is show us the Roswell crowd. Show us the bodies. We know you got them. We're not seeing that. And until and unless they will admit to the capital flyover of 1952 Yeah, 52 Until I'm a still good mitten momstrom and Roswell and any of a dozen high profile cases that we know are real. I don't want to hear what you have to say. You are lying. I don't need lying liars to tell me what I already know is true. And there's a case from Virginia Donald Chalkross. I love this case. UFO lands human-looking ETs come out and he's like, oh my god, has this conversation with them? This is why don't you just disclose? They gave him a look like we already have. That's what they told him. We already have. And I think that that's true. They've done their part. This UFO's over. ETs have. Oh, yes. This hometown series I put together proves that basically they've visited everywhere on this planet. You can name any town. And I don't want to say any but so far I'm about 100%. They've been there. That's disclosure. You know, they've shown themselves pretty much everywhere on this planet. So, come on. How much, how much information do you need to know this is real? It's my feeling that anyone who's objectively exams the oven, it's not underling that objectively. And looks out for a day can only come away convinced. And for those debunkers and skeptics out there, I'm like, I'm sorry. I don't need to be rude but you haven't done your homework. You have not done your research. I mean, huh? They're like, well, I don't they told themselves to presidents and leaders of state and centers they have. Absolutely. I did a whole article in my not from your books. Take me to your leader because yeah, they showed themselves to Senator Russell, Governor Gilligan of Ohio, the guy from the president. Also, the president of Calmecia, my buddy Jesse Michaels, yeah, went out there and he's he's a contact he like a salmon. Yeah, an on board as you put it and the major chess champion too. Yeah, yeah, the head of Fede or at one point. Yeah. But the Mexican president, the Brazilian president, a bunch of them as of today, the Japanese government is coming out as well. And no coincidence, Jesse's over there covering that story right now, but they're they're coming out and saying that they're going to start releasing things. It's time. It's past time. I think it's good that these other countries are taking a lead. I think that sets precedent because if anything, if nothing else, it it will entice, you know, the government that's been covering this stuff up to at least divulge something because these if everybody else comes forward with really credible information. I mean, what other choice do you have? You have to be on top of this, right? Sooner or later, I whistleblower is going to freak out with the actual hard proof. Yeah, I think disclosure is inevitable for one simple reason. It's true. This is all true. You can hide the truth. You can distort it. You can lie about it. You can play around with it. But you can never destroy it. Truth is truth. Yeah. And there's just no way you can hide something forever. Well put certainly hope so. We got questions from the audience pressing we got to get to. So I'm going to go turn that camera on. Give me one second. Let's go. Do we run the gamut? Yeah. Have we hit everything? Almost. We didn't we did. Well, we did discuss OB. What haven't we discussed on your list? I'm just curious. Bigfoot and UFOs overgrave yards. Oh, great. Wonderful. We'll bring that up. Before we do, you know, as a member, one of the perks, one of the many perks here is the potential to have one of your questions answered on air by our guests. And they always submit as you probably know these audiences are very sharp. Oh, it's just such a great collective seed knowledge that they ask better questions than I could ever ask. Okay, test is got test is going right for the jugular. Of the contact cases you've studied, which are most likely to be siops and to what end? Well, let me think about this for a second. I would say that case of a he won't let me use his name a marine officer joined the Marines at 17 had to get a parents voucher went to Pendleton. And they, I mean, they set him up. They had some guy come to his office and there were papers on the desk that were all about UFOs that were fully confidential and just led him down the garden path to where he was taken and shown this UFO and ended up bringing out a reptilian officer who was like seven feet tall. And everyone says they told don't break ranks, whatever happens don't break ranks. He was the only one who didn't break rank. And this thing came right up to him and stared him like, what did it look like? This poor man started weeping. And I'm like, he's I'm like, it's okay. You know, if you don't want to talk about this, that's fine. He's like, no, I really want to talk about it. So I can't tell you what he looked like because I couldn't look I was too afraid, but it had reptilian eyes and scan and all and diving into his case because he had a great experiences a child he levitated. He was taken on board repeatedly. He had all the psychic ability going on. I'm amazing guy. He was very altruistic. He worked at a welding factory and got everyone there raises, you know, basically because they were jipping these people. He was Latino and they were basically taking advantage of Latino people who worked there. And after talking to him, we basically they experimented on me. They sigh up to me. Why I don't I can't tell you for sure other than to sort of paint. This is a negative experience. They killed his dog. He said that was it for me. I think they're demonic. He became very religious and had an encounter that I don't even know what to think about because it's just so. I don't know he goes my lab stuff. Yeah, it was not okay, but here's an interesting thing which I didn't bring up, you know, because. He worked as a welder right he kept knocking that welding machine off off line is a very, very expensive machine that said we need you to go to the doctor you're destroying our equipment and they couldn't figure out anything wrong with them except they did find an implant in his body. But I've talked to so many people who've had this problem that I'm knocking out TVs. Yeah, you know, one lady she had an encounter with this little silver suited humanoid. This is Mount Reneer Washington goes to work knocks out her computer. She's like, I T. I come here. Ghost is a cop here knocks that out. She's like, since you're done cop your ghost is a fax machine back when we had those knocks that out. And she's like, I don't know what's going on. I finally figured it out. I think they're basically energizing or elevating our magnetic are bioelectric field rather. Because the people will knock out light bulbs. Yeah, the guy I was talking to says you wouldn't believe my light bulb budget. He they he was investigated by Thelma Moss and they're like, he gave him the light bulbs her and they're like, well, it didn't explode imploded. Whatever, you know, while, but yeah, people have poltergeist activity and like, all right, that's you. It's not a team. And this is you doing telekinesis because when you're with the ETs, you're telepathically communicating. They're levitating. That's not like technology necessarily. That's them because their technology is very psychically based. But I got case after case of people coming back from their experiences and they're to levitating. Fall on levitating. Happened to Whitley streamer. Jacques Valais, case of the guy who got healed, levitated twice. Stephen Greer says, I levitated twice. Valley saffron. I'm like, I don't suppose you've ever levitated. And you know, Oh, no, he's asking this. And she was a kid. Yeah. And I got up 20 cases of that. Yeah, I ended up writing a whole book on levitation because this is absolutely something we can do. And then, you know, Diana Pasoca also pursuing the sort of religious lens through which levitation happened because you have all these. I don't know. I don't know what to call them. But these, these holy sort of, whether it's apparitions or whether it's whatever, but you had like same Francis of a CC, like the stigmata stuff, the, where they also levitated. Yeah, there's word bleed through a lot of this phenomenon. But yeah, human levitation has been proven in a scientific laboratory setting repeatedly. Really? Oh, yeah, the experiments of here were Carrington using finger levitation. You put four people around the table or a chair, rather, and you know, the breathing in and out. And then what is this? Stiff is a board. Light is a feather. Yeah. And they lifted the sky up. He recorded a loss of weight of 47 pounds in the first attempt. 53 in the next 40 and the third overall, it's never been repeated. Hmm. But there is the case of Carl, Carmine Mirabelle. It Brazill's greatest medium. They had all the scientists surrounding them, and he levitated, actually went through the wall, through a darn wall. Yeah, that's been proven in a number of times with the experience with you, Sapia Paladino. - I would love to witness one of these things myself. As a magician, obviously very skeptical of levitations when I hear about them because of the knowledge that I have, but I'm also very open to the idea of, yes, please. Like, let's-- - Yeah, I've seen, you know, for San Joel and some, like, show us the sky, you know, you know, they know, 'cause, you know, we've got wires, that's true. - No, there are, yeah, but there are some, like a friend of mine, Xavier Mortimer, he's a Vegas magician as well. He's known for levitating in the middle of a park. - In the middle of a park? - Some of the stuff I don't know how they do it. - I'm using a jump rope in the sky. And do you know how it's, I do. - Yeah, but-- - It's a trick? - Yeah, of course it's a trick. - But, you know, you can fool people like that, right? - I feel people that work with a simple technique. - Yeah. - They lost their minds at a certain angle, you can appear to levitate. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the Balducci levitation. That's where you lift one foot, yeah. - It works really well. - Of course it does, yeah, but there's, you know, there's a large, large, long list of levitations, one of the-- - It's been photographed, you know, there are photographs and films, but-- - Yeah, again, again, I remain dubious because of, until I see it myself, I won't be 100% convinced. - Well, I had a family friend who swore up and down she levitated. That's what got me into this. And I found another one. - Yeah. I got a lot of crazy looks. - I hear about Angela Ford told me she'd levitated when she was a kid, too. - Yep. - Yeah. - I'm telling you what's the thing. - Yeah, I'd love to see it. I want to see it, or better yet, fly me to the minute. - Robert Monroe said he had two incidents of it. - Yeah. - He fell on the stairs and floated down. - You know what, a lot of people have that memory of when they were a kid floating down the stairs. I have that memory. - There you go. - I have that memory of not touching any of the stairs, but again, is this just like some psychological, you know? - The stairway thing is tripping me out 'cause I have a dozen cases of this. - Really? There's a-- I call it the floating stage. Age five to 10. - Yeah. - The stairs, you're in about most of these cases, actually. - Yeah. - Mostly down, but something going up. - Me, it's always down. Always going down and like, yeah, I remember like, like large leaps and like, just light is a feather getting down these stairs. - Well, the Native Americans had something they called Native Indian running, I think. - Oh. - Or that's kind of, I guess the term we got. - Yeah. - They knew this one guy who could do it, and they followed its footsteps, and they started getting wider and wider, and they disappeared, and they, two days later, they met him in town, and like, oh yeah, he's been here for three days. - Oh wow. But I'd love to hear from the audience too, if you've got any levitation stories, let us know. - All right, yeah, the siops. Gosh, that's probably the only real case that I can mull into Leslie, if we talk to her. She's had a lot of this kind of my lab stuff going on. She was on board, and she saw bold rest of Colonel there. - Yeah. - I interviewed her about that and put her in one of my books. - Jeremy Weeks, who is here as well, he had like an argument with an officer on board, and he knows what faction or what sort of compartment of department of military he was with. Like, he could see the badges and everything. He didn't want to tell me, but he was like, yeah. He's like, and there were apparently grays on board, and they were arguing why is he here, why is he here, while he was there, he was confused at why it was there, and yeah, Carla Turner, I think a lot of cases she was working on. She also like Jacob's came away with like, this is not great news, but I think a lot of her stuff was what we would call my lab stuff, 'cause she kept talking about seeing officers or her witnesses did rather. - Yeah, okay. Let's go on to something else we want to talk about early. From Hacks, do you see any connection between UFO alien activity and cryptids such as Bigfoot or Yeti? - 100%, yeah, let's talk about it. - Yeah. You know, I'm doing a lot of UFO research, and I started to hear about Bigfoot. I'm like, I'm not going there. That's a can of worms. What if it's real? I bet it is, I'm not ready for this. So I avoided it for the longest time, and then I get this guy from Canyon Country, California, living on the edge of the LA National Forest. 1978, he's a radiologist, you know, a smart guy. How did UFO basically land in his or hover in his backyard? And it took off, he says, "The next night Bigfoot showed up." And with the next night, he's like, yeah, I was in telepathic contact with it. I'd never heard of this. You know, telepathic contact with Bigfoot? That's apparently a thing in a number of cases. He said it was mad at his dogs, which were going crazy. Bigfoot and dogs don't get along for whatever reason. And he felt sure that there was a connection here. And he says, "Just so you know, after this, we had a poltergeist outbreak in our home." I'm like, okay, well, that's kind of, what is going on here? And I started to get some of these Bigfoot UFO cases. I ended up becoming a Bigfoot researcher. You know, I had my own darn encounter with this lady who's having, she's a contactee, started having a Bigfoot. This is on the other side of the LA National Forest in acting. She's like, I know where it lives. Let's go out to show you. I think it's in this valley. We went up there. It's dusk. Or she brought all the sound equipment, right? She wants to record this thing. And she's pulling the stuff out of the back of the car and I'm walking to the front of the car. This is, there's no sign of civilization except for this dirt road. And this is maybe five or 10 miles off the highway. But the LA National Forest is a mill. Oh, I don't forget how many million of acres, but it's big. And I looked it up. Lots of Bigfoot reports there. And I'm standing in front of the car, kind of surveying the scene, and something roars. And my first thought is it's a jet going overhead. Of course, there was no jet. And she's petrified. She's stuck still. She's absolutely petrified. She asked me, do these things kidnap people? No, I've never heard of a case of that. I was wrong, it turns out. I still knew the Bigfoot research. So I later told her, I'm like, oh, yeah, maybe stand inside. 'Cause yeah, that has happened. It's super rare. But we hear about the missing 4-1-1, a politey stuff. And I mean, yeah. But then this thing roars again. And now I can triangulate it. This roar went on for like 20 seconds. That's a long time. If you've heard a lion roar, it's five, maybe 10 seconds. I was right next to the lion in the zoo when it roared. It's like, whoa. I had no idea it was that loud. This thing echoed in my chest. It had high tones, it had low tones. I felt almost ultrasonic some of it. Because it's like, damn. What the heck is this? You know, I'm all about bears. I've got all the books on bears for whatever reason. And I grew up next to a cougar. You know, we have the Mercury cougar, the cars. Where they had a cougar advertising. That cougar lived next to our house in a cage, sadly. But we would hear it all the time. I grew up in an area where there was a lot of wildlife in Topanga Canyon. But this thing was none of that. And then it roared again. Now I know where it is. I go running towards it. I want to see it. And she's like, what are you doing? Are you crazy? Get back here. That was my big foot encounter. So we had to leave. She was hysterical. But I said, maybe for the best, who knows? Hey, what better way to die than kidnap my big foot? I can think of a better way. But at any rate, having looked into all these big foot cases, most people see big foot are not going to see a UFO. Most people see a UFO or ETs are not going to see a big foot. But there's a smattering of cases. And I'll say 200, which is against statistically insignificant. But it's there. How do you explain this? People are like, yeah, big foot's an alien. I don't think so. Big foot's been around forever. And depending on who you talk to, it's sentient, it's psychic, and so forth. But seeing some of these cases where big foot's seen coming out of you, I'm walking in there with grades. Yeah. I think-- and this is going to sound crazy. This is my assessment. I think some are contactees. They're intelligent from another planet. No, I think that they are being contacted by ETs in the same way your eye would be. Oh, they live here already. Yeah, I see. And we know ETs are studying our planet from soil samples to collecting animals, rabbits, all of them. Yeah. Picking up humans, taking genetic samples. It's an interesting take. Yeah, it's an interesting take. There's also-- we see them on board, too. There are Jeremy Weeks, who is here once again. Again, this guy was military. He worked on radars. He's got a crazy story of binary digits coming to him telepathically, which is a whole message, and all sorts of stuff. But on board, one of these things, he did remember seeing like a shorter. It comes up. Yeah, furry. And dog men. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was kind of a relatively new thing. - Yeah. - To Linda Godfrey. - Dogman, Frogman, Birdman, Cat people. There's all sorts of-- - Talk to Dolly. She saw Doug on board. - Wow. - We've only got a few, I've got a few cases of cat people and I kind of put them on the back. - Yeah. - I don't know. All the little irons are there. - Yeah. - But I started to get more of those. So there seems to be all kinds of stuff going on here. - The one thing I think is interesting too is that you have all of these different species, right? Or variations of the same species, whatever it is. But you find them all on earth. Like in their primitive form, whether it's the mantis, whether it's the bird, whether it's the cat, whether it's the dog. And what does that tell you? It tells you that, we're all a part of the family, the same family. - 100%. - You know what I mean? Like we're all sharing a gene pool on some level. - We don't understand genes. - Yeah, we really don't. But yeah, I think there are little people, who don't know themselves dwarves. 'Cause I talked to this guy who saw, he swore's up and down it was an elf. 'Cause you know, I had a big nose, bald head, little brown jacket, boo, it's the whole deal. And it would talk to him. He saw four or five times, never touched him, but he knew it could manipulate objects. And his mom's like, oh, you're just, you have an imaginary friend, don't you? Which confused him because, you know, he's a little kid, but this was not imaginary. And he's like, next time it comes on and have to tell him moving and to come with me. This is in Colorado. And the elf showed up and he's like, oh, I'm leaving. You know, please come with me and the elf got all sad and says I can't do that. We're tied to this location. But I put this story out, you know, in my books and on a YouTube, the response was crazy. I'm thinking, you know, elves are from the 1800s, right? No, it turns out, bunch of people are like, oh, this happened to me either. I had the same, we saw six little people and just a lot of them. One case that stuck out was with Guy Says. This may have been second-hand, but at any rate, an elf appeared and it's holding up his matchbox car and looking at it, he wakes up and goes, oh, my God. It runs through the wall with the matchbox car in his hand and matchbox car hits the wall, drops the floor and spins. It's just a vivid detail, like how do you make this stuff up? I mean, it sounds so fantastical. But what I want to know is who's making their little sweaters? Where are these, one guy's smoking a pipe? Really? Yeah, that's the other thing too, is like there's a whole culture, right? If you're wearing colors or tight-fitting clothes, then to some extent, aesthetics matter, right? So if aesthetics matter, that means you have art, that means you have a palette, that means you have a history of art, a history of culture, and that's fascinating that there's culture attached to this stuff. For the most part, we hear about nothing in the ships. Yeah, they don't have paintings, right? No, right, so we assume they're like, oh, you guys are just bland or something. But then you hear about other stories, and you're like, oh, no, wait, there is something. There's some-- There's some involving music. And these UFOs are aesthetically beautiful. They are, yeah. Travis Wong talked about that. I mean, look at the sports model, arguably. Oh, so Ferrari. And they're jumpsuits. The jumpsuit is the fashion of choice. That's right, with the ETs. But they have cloaks and faves and-- Yeah, and a lot of these, they're all fit. Right, they're all fit. They're like in shape. And so, again, obviously, health matters, but maybe also the way they look, to some extent, matter at one point, where they would breed in that direction or something like, I mean, these questions have to be asked, when you see them, and they're like, OK, why are all these tall blondes? What's a point here? Does this matter? Where you're from? And so interesting. But I think those are little people. I think they're probably interdimensional, disintegrate, but I'm not convinced there are ETs. I know it goes back throughout history. The elves, you mean. But when you're in the 1800s, the 1700s, 600s, you're not thinking ETs. So I think there's quite a bit of bleed through and misinterpretation of a lot of these things. We always look at things through the lens of our own culture. Yeah. Like the airship wave of 1890, 1910. Yeah. Always kind of puzzled me, because those are zeppelins. Well, zeppelins were invented in 1903. And I started really looking at that. There's not grays on these things. These are people. I honestly think that's us, you know, technology that-- Testing things out. That's my take on it right now. It's probably a good take. But it's hard to say, for sure. I mean, I always think back to Aztec in 1948 in New Mexico, the people who discovered the saucer or one of the first people to come to the site who runs up on the ship. You know, a group of firemen, wasn't it? Yeah. And at the same time, you had a helicopter coming in. Now, that's advanced military tech. The helicopter was born out until 1948 or whatever, like up and around then. So that's like seeing a stealth bomber. He's seeing two UFOs, right? He's seeing a helicopter and he's standing on a flying saucer. Like he's having the craziest day of his life. That's got to be really confusing. It's like the most modern human tech and like whatever that is. Yeah, I think back to that. All right, I think we've hit the mark here. I mean, I could talk to you for hours and hours. This has been so much fun. Thank you so much for joining me. We do have a few books that Preston wrote, which we will be giving away to some of the members as well. So if your member just comment below, we'll choose one of you and we'll send that out. We'll have you sign those if that's all right. And if you want to purchase one of these books, I would highly recommend it. First of all, go check out Preston's YouTube channel. I left the link below. But also check out one of his many, many books because this is literally what we've been talking about. It is just the tip of the iceberg. You're going to walk away so much more knowledgeable and just entertained if nothing else by the vast amount of stories that you have to share with us. Where can they do that, Preston? I'm pretty easy to find. I do have a website. You can see excerpts of my books. PrestonDenet.weebly.com. I'm on all the, well, I can't keep up with the social media platforms. Well, I'm on a bunch of them. And my books are available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble, bookstores near you. If you can find one, I remember the day when there were a lot of bookstores. Those days are over. Yeah. I used to spend a lot of time in those books. Now, bookstores are in a little brown box or on your screen. But yeah, my books are pretty easy to find. I hope. They are. They came. I ordered a bunch. They came the next day. But yeah, go support Preston. And books are really easy and fun to read too. They're really great reads. I really enjoyed reading them. And so I highly recommend that. Anything else you would like to say before we go? No, I think we covered it. I would just say, do your own research. Don't believe anyone. Don't believe me. Look and do it when I say, you know, ETs aren't here to take over. Prove me wrong or don't, you know? Just do your own research. I would not look to the government. But yeah, just move past fear. Love, love, and truth to guide your actions. Because we're dealing with a lot of delusion and confusion on this planet. And we really need to work hard to, I think, come together and just do the right thing. So yeah, love and truth. Love is the answer. Thank you so much, Preston. My pleasure. Thank you. On November 11, 2025, my two kids and I went into the backyard in Savannah, Georgia to try and get a glimpse of the Northern Lights. They're in this big solar storm. And what we saw instead was something that none of us will ever forget. In quick session, we saw like five UFOs. And the most striking was this giant triangle. And it had this grid-like pattern of white lights on the underside of it. But the craft itself was like semi-transparent. Like you could see through it. When it moved in front of the stars, you could see the stars behind it. It didn't make any noise. It didn't have navigation lights. My daughter was 11 burst out into tears. And said, mom, mom, I feel that it's coming inside of me. It's like this loud humming. I didn't experience that, but she did. It was unnerving, for sure. I would say that the more striking event happened later that night. My daughter and I had a shared dream experience. Where these three non-human but human-like beings spoke to us telepathically. They had these big bright blue eyes. And my daughter said they looked like a mouse-wave family from Harry Potter. Or say they're like all pale and blonde with a lot of long blonde hair. And they said to us, we've always been here. But now you can see us.