“TYPICAL LIBTARD!” Trump 007 Escape, Greta PRAISES Piers Morgan + Mao Debate W/ Victor Davis-Hanson

You can't tip off the media that will leak anything against Trump. The truth is probably there are Iranians who want to assassinate him, but where is he getting this intelligence from? Israeli intelligence. The press and his own staff, he literally abandoned them, like he's abandoning the country. She clearly erased it. One of the side effects in America is it's okay to be racist against white people. It's not. Just this week the president of the United States said that Somali Americans are dumb. Typical Libertard changing the subject. Just fucking what the fuck? Mao Zedong, one of the great leaders of this world. The greatest mass murder in history, 60 to 70 million people. This is a cliché. Mao was the greatest butcher in the world like Stalin and Hitler. Have you been to China? No. Have you been to the moon? The next James Bond actor will offer a very different creative spin on the character according to the movie's producer. And while many people assume this means that 007 will now be played by Elliott Page or Joy Reid, there is at least an outside chance that taking inspiration from the United States president. Donald Trump has confirmed extraordinary reports that he slipped out of Air Force One in a hydraulic catering container before secretly leaving the G8 summit in Turkey on a small military plane. The president says he was neither shaken nor stirred. I guess there was a threat out there. I didn't really ask too much about it. I get a lot of threats. Well, the remarkable manoeuvre-solid intelligence that Iran may have been planning to attack the president's plane. They'd already made a last minute decision to switch from a so-called Qatar Force One into the old Air Force One making it a double decoy. As many in the media businesses since pointed out, this does mean that all of the traveling press and some of the president's own staff would have been wiped out by any Iranian attack. Thankfully, they will die another day. And before we move on to the ongoing psychodrama about Hassan Piker and the apparent socialist revolution in the US, I have one more thing to address on the subject to Swarth's suited British men. 23-year-old child-star Greta Thunberg was recently asked to name her greatest inspiration. While many of you were selfishly stealing her dreams, it turns out that I was making them come true. Specifically, one person who really makes me feel like I can truly stand up for what I believe in. I think the main person that comes from mine is Pierce Morgan. I mean, in general, like, white, middle-aged British men, I find really inspiring personally. Could I push you on and say just Pierce? What is there something specific about him that you've always had him as an idol that you've held him up? I mean, I think really what does it is just like, it's a white middle-aged man in the suit. Well, I couldn't have put it better myself, Greta. SB honest, it's been a rough few years for us white middle-aged men in suit, particularly of the British variety, but this shows us there is still hope. We can still inspire the next generation. We can still dream of being James Bond. And, you never know, we might still get a contract in the WNBA. What's joining me to debate all this is Wajaha Ali, author of The Left Hook. Conservative commentator, Elijah Schaefer, author and Fox News personality Tyrus, plus Joanne Coducci, aka JoJo from The Jersey. Well, welcome to an extremely lively panel, at least on paper, so that you all live up to your, to your billings. Tyrus, great to have you back on Uncensored. Always great to have you. It's been way too long. So, let me start with you, great man. So, here's my view of this plain thing. I absolutely buy in to the number one priority, the Secret Service being the protection of the President of the United States. Doesn't matter what party he comes from, the President must be protected. There was clearly a very serious threat against the President's life. It clearly involved the plane that he would be traveling on. So, I totally understand why they did what they did. And, in fact, there's President with Bill Clinton, when he was President, where they squirreled him off a plane, and so on. Where I've got a problem with this Tyrus is, I don't like the fact that if the threat was that serious, a bunch of journalists and staffers were left on the plane that was under threat, and it took off because the whole point of the decoy ploy that they operated would have been to lol the Iranians into thinking Trump was on that plane. Are you comfortable with what happened here? Well, it's one of those double-ledged swords. I understand why they did it. It's not, and if you're going to decoy, you can't tip off the media. Unfortunately, especially the media that will leak anything against Trump at any time at any moment. So, it's an ugly side of real life. I mean, luckily nobody was hurt, but you really can't question it in terms of like, yeah, this is what has to happen. Unfortunately, when you have a President that countries are trying to kill, and Iran in particular, we all know for 47 years, there's no problem killing Americans, and it would be a huge feather, and they're having probably would have ended the conflict on their end if they were successful. So, I understand it. Don't like it, it doesn't taste good, but unfortunately, that's the world we live in right now. You know, it's interesting, Tyrus, because I've listened. I always deploy one simple test on stories like this. Would the people who are kind of downplaying what happened here, would they be as keen to downplay it if it was Joe Biden who was President, and he had done this? No, well, you know, being honest, what do you think? Like I said, this is the problem with America. We're just, everyone should just make a video and save everybody a lot of time. Anytime anything comes out with a President, and you're just teamed, whatever it is is wrong, just make the video. This is Trump's idea. I hate it. Was it to protect Trump? I hate it. Save us all the time in the debate, because they're going to pick a part. I mean, I don't think the President was excited about being stuffed in a box, and how I'm sure in a lot of ways, Iran will take that as some sort of victory that he coward out of there and left. So, but again, the opposition to Trump is never going to stop. Long after he's out of office, they'll still say that he's the reason whatever Republicans running or whatever policy is. They're just there. Their commitment to his downfall is become a religion. Okay, JoJo, welcome back to Uncensored. I think you gave us a sense of your thoughts about this. When you said Trump was so fucking scared of Iran, that he hid in a fucking food truck and sent two multi-billion-dollar aircross full of people into the sky as decoys to save his own sorry ass. It really is something. Why would the leader of the free world need to hide in a catering truck from a country he had totally obliterated? Joe Biden never hid in a food truck like a scared little bitch. So, I think that gives us a sense of where you're coming from here. But let me start with you with, again, an important question. I presume you have no issue with the Secret Service, prioritizing the safety of the President of the United States in the way that they did. Not at all, not absolutely. That is their job, and he's the President of the United States, and he should be protected. I wanted to live a very long life so that he can see it as day in court. But that said, if Joe Biden had hid in a catering truck, if he had cowarded from a country he began a war with, that he said we had defeated and totally obliterated on day one almost six months ago, the right would be running with this 24/7/365. It would be on Fox News all day long, and you would all be talking about it, and making fun of him about it. He couldn't even follow a bike without it being a huge news story for two weeks straight. So if this had been Joe Biden, you would all be talking about it in exactly the same way that we're talking about it. Sorry. He fell off a bike because he couldn't ride. This is just dumb. Have you ever seen Donald Trump even try to mount a bike? The man was hiding things. The fucking flame hummus. You saw Donald Trump on the bike. This is Pierce. I love you, baby. This is why I don't do this show. You give voices to complete idiots. She said the Trump was like, you and so. I ran and I'm terrified. When was Donald Trump on a bike? What is your name? I'm sorry, what's your name? You must be. You must be all that in New Jersey, Joe Joe, New Jersey. When was Donald Trump on a bicycle? You know, not Donald Trump in here. When was Donald Trump on a bicycle at all? When have you in his entire life seen him riding a bicycle? All right, Joe Joe, Joe Joe. Let me just, I don't think I've seen Trump on a bike. So let's just move on. I want to answering your question. I'm so sorry, Pierce. Typical Libertar. You know what you want, but he. Yeah, he's just. He's my point, Joe, Joe. Yeah. He's answering the question. All right, Joe Joe, here's my point. Here's my point for you, right? I understand how you feel about Trump. But I do think, for example, let me flip the question back to you. If it had been Joe Biden who'd done this, I don't think you would be as exercised about what happened as you are because it's Trump. Do you accept that? Well, what I will say is that I don't think that Joe Biden would have done this without at least telling somebody in the press. I don't think that he would have used his own secretary of state as a decoy. I don't think he would continue to lie about it after the fact. I think that as you pointed out at the very beginning of the show, that's the part of this that is that stinks the most. That's the part that's so wrong, but it's also so indicative of Donald Trump. This is someone who has no regard for human life. He has no regard for the 18 heroes we lost. in this war that he decided to wage with Iran. The war that, by the way, is destroying our economy. GDP is lower. We're losing jobs. Inflation is going up. All of this because of the war he started in Iran. He wouldn't have, through, have this shell game of three multi-million dollar aircraft, including bride force one, if he hadn't started this war with Iran. I don't think Joe Biden would have kept all of those people in the dark. I don't think he would have hidden in a catering truck with his diaper valet and whatever Natalie Harp is. I don't think that he would have kept the press in the dark. I think those are some big distinctions. Again, Donald Trump has no regard for human life. He only cares about himself. Online scams used to be much easier to spot. Think strange emails with bad spellings and the occasional exiled Nigerian prints. But AI is changing the game. Scams can now be almost impossible to spot. AI can generate flawless messages that sound exactly like your bank or your employer. One mistake in click is all it takes. Americans lost $16 billion to fraud last year, including more than $2 billion to social media scams. And the process of identity theft recovery takes an average of 500 days. Coveron is your best defense. Most tools and security apps can tell you that you've been robbed, but they won't get your money back for you. Coveron provides the whole package. 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You act like Donald Trump forgot to cook. You have a dinner didn't call you back. Like this, you're not helping anyone with your-- You can leave your pen and see if out of this. You don't like them. We get it, we don't like them. And you're going for clicks. And you're talking like you have some insight like you know him. Like, he was like, I'm scared. This is what you're going to do. This whole show is what you're going to attack me. No, I'm just, you're not going to do the whole thing. You don't know who I am, but I'm worth all of you time and end. And I won't. We have how much time and energy you're devoted to talking to me for someone who doesn't know who I am. Somebody has to say something, and I'm kind of mad at the other panel. You have two distinguished people in there. Guy say something because listening to this, I can literally get-- I'm getting kicked off to say this stuff, like-- I'm going to bring in-- I'm going to bring in a light-- We do. I'm going to bring in a light to say that-- Yeah, let me say something. First of all-- Please do not leave, Taurus. We have many other things to discuss with you, Taurus. Please don't leave. Elijah, let me bring you in here. Look, in 2000, as I mentioned, President Clinton flew from India to Pakistan and an unmarked plane that followed the traditional Air Force one. The rules were revealed when he disembarked from the second plane for a six-hour visit marked by this extraordinary security. Three years later, the White House claimed that George W. Bush would spend Thanksgiving in Texas only to arrive in Baghdad and a black-tailed Air Force one. And in 2023, Joe Biden was also secretly taken to Ukraine with a slim-down press pool or one reporter and one photographer. So there's a lot of precedent for sort of skull and dungery, if you like, for various reasons, involving the security of the President and the aircraft. The difference here is, in all three of those cases, the media on board were aware of the deception, but had been asked not to report it in real time. Now, the difference here is that none of the media were made aware of it. And I saw Barbara Starron, CNN earlier, who's-- someone I really respect used to work with, who's covered this kind of thing for many decades. She described it as completely unprecedented. So are you comfortable with the fact that the media took off on this plane completely unaware of the direct threat against it? - Yeah, first of all, Joe, Joe, I just want to say, I appreciate your perspective. I mean, your room's nicely decorated. Like, I used to decorate back in like ninth grade. So it's very cute. But I also want to say, this is the bipartisan BS where you have Joe taking this left wing. - Yeah, she has this left wing, you know, oh, this is bad because Trump's bad. And then you have Tyrus coming on who I love. I love his commentary. You know, he's got to defend Trump because he's a Fox News commentator. And this is the problem and why democratic socialism is rising on the left. Why national socialism is rising on the right. People realistically see one issue here. The reason why Trump thinks he's under threat, and I was at the RNC during the last election when that threat came out from Iran, saying that Trump was going to be assassinated, the truth is probably there are Iranians who want to assassinate him. But where is he getting this intelligence from? All signs point towards Israeli intelligence. And the reason why Israel obviously has a vested interest in this is because the war is extremely unpopular, especially with individuals on the populist left, on the populist right, across the board, 35 years and younger. And so Trump said, if I'm assassinated, nuke them, why would Iran want to risk assassinating Trump if it means their demise? A president that already called for the wiping out of the country. I don't think anyone under 35, this is an age gap issue, support that. Now, I have friends on the press court for the White House. I have friends who were there work for Semaphore and other publications. And even though I'm sorry, I'm going to apologize to them now. Young people wouldn't give two shits if journalists were blown out of the sky. That's just the truth because honestly, the press has been the enemy of the American people for too many decades now. And that's the risk that they take. And ultimately speaking, it's like, you know, they would have leaked information. If Trump is actually under threat, then we know JoJo would have actually defended him if it was Biden. And Tyrus probably might have attacked, you know, Biden if he did the same thing. It's the job of the president to stay safe and not to protect him. You don't know me. Well, I'm just saying, I'm okay. Go ahead. How an independent crime tractor appears to tell you, I actually don't work for Fox. I actually met the president. I like what he's doing. But I'm defending not the, it's the idea. I don't care if you dislike, I don't care if, I agree with maybe 40% of his policies. My issue is this. If you're going to come on and talk about an issue, talk about the issue. When people start talking about personal attacks, I don't have, it's just what, no one's listening to that. Calling him names and I could do the same thing. I get, I make a lot of money making fun of people in a common sense. You are caught, you're committed. But when you're going to talk to our president, people's lives were in risk, people's lives were in risk. It sucks. It was a bad situation. But we understand, but it wasn't the president's, it's what secret service does and it's ugly. And to not be able to have that kind of conversation, don't like to, it's the president. No one's life should be focused around the president. No one should wake up in the morning and wonder what Donald Trump's having for breakfast. I could give a frogs fat ass. But what I do care about is we're going to have a discussion instead of talking about our personal feelings, talk about the actual matter. If your issue is that the media was left out to dry, possibly having their plane blow up, talk about that. But leave the personal stuff out of it. At some point, somebody has to be the adult in the room. Somebody has to start, because when people see this stuff, all we're doing is contributing to the problem. Like talk about the actual issue. If you have a problem, we are talking about, when we're talking about the press. Or what? Like calling him bitch boy, the press, the media, mainstream media, in the United States, picked a side. And that's why people are just connected. But I'm sorry, if 25 people were blown up in a plane, Americans, America would have a huge problem with that. People would beat it. >> Yeah, I think that's terrible for that. >> You know what, Tarris? I'm glad you said that. >> There's one thing that they don't want to do. >> Well, I know so, they're in the main. >> Well, well, well, Joe, let me just come to you. Welcome back to Uncensored. >> I think Tarris made some good points there. And I think the part that really jarred with me that Elijah said, was this idea that young people in America would be jubilant if a bunch of journalists from the White House >> No, I think jubilant, I don't think they would have cared that much. I don't think that it would have been poor. Young people, it wouldn't have been a big deal. >> I think you're good. >> Yeah. >> No, no, no, you're completely wrong. You're completely wrong because they're actually Americans in the main. How are they Americans? >> They underestimate the approval rating of press and how much young people hate establishment media. My personal opinion is, I'm just thinking people that, I'm just sitting on the face. When they put the picture of the face of the American journalist who died or were killed in this plaintiff, when they see the families crying, Americans in a car. But see, we have this thing, this is social, the more we live in now. We call them journalists, we call them names that make them non-human. So it's easy to say, I hate all journalists. I wish all billionaires are bad, white people are bad, black people are dead. When you give them blanket names with no humanity connected to it, nobody, everyone sounds like a badass when they say they don't care. But I guarantee you now, if those journalists face showed up, these 25 American journalists blew up on every young person would be, people would be upset, they'd be crying, they'd be visual. >> A hundred percent. >> Because we have become so- >> A hundred percent. >> So we have to talk about- >> I want to bring it up. >> No, no, no. So I want to hang on, I want to bring in, I want to bring in Magahir, he's been waiting very patiently. I must say it was unusual patience, Magahir. So thank you. Look, Magahir, what is your view of this? You know, I do think a lot of the views I've read about what happened here are driven by partisan politics. So let's try and park that aside for a moment. I don't think many people would quibble that the Secret Service have one job to protect the President of the United States. And I also think that Tara's made a good point that if the media were informed about this threat, they would instantly have reported it. We now live in that world. Why don't you think you could rely on them not to have reported it? So I understand how this may have happened. But I also, as a journalist, feel very, very uncomfortable that if this threat was that serious, that the President had to be removed in a food truck without anyone knowing that none of these people left on the plane that was being targeted, apparently, had any idea that that was what may be happening. The reality is, is that Donald Trump is the President of the United States of America and he's the only President, Republican or Democrat in the past 47 years, who has made the disastrous decision to join Israel in this unwinnable illegal war. That's a fact. The fact that he has kept lying about it, the fact that he has kept lying about the successes in the world, the fact that this war is ongoing has killed thousands of people, the state of Hormuz's closes effect of the economy. Donald Trump has projected strength, but instead, there has been weakness. So when there's an image of Donald Trump, the President of the United States being escorted out in a catering truck, it reveals that he is lying to the public that he is not strong, that America is not winning this war. That our national security is actually failing the President of the United States because if there is a credible threat by Iran, it means that he had, he felt compelled to remove himself from the plane. That's number one. Two, to your point, the fact that he literally let the press and his own staff, right, this is Marco Rubio fly on a potentially compromised plane pierce, right, without informing them. This is the key thing, right, because if any President had done this and I've criticized Biden when it comes to Israel, I've criticized Biden when it comes to Merrick Garland. Any President had they started an illegal unwinnable war, had lost the war and then been escorted out already people be saying, this is a sign of weakness. But number two, what he should have done is the following, something's wrong with Air Force One, there's a technical glitch folks, we're going to be flying the other plane just for our safety. Come on, everyone, the staff Marco Rubio, the press, come on, instead, he literally abandons them, runs away in a catering truck and lets that plane with not just the press, but his own staff fly, assuming that Donald Trump was on the plane and furthermore, completely blind in oblivious to the fact that there was a credible assassination plot. So God forbid God forbid pierce, suppose that credible assassination plot, right, suppose God forbid that plane exploded. That means he literally abandoned them, like he's abandoning the country and furthermore, I agree with you. I think if God forbid that plane would have blown up or been sabotaged and forget even the journalist, even the staff, the civilians had died, I think it would have been a tragedy and I don't think Americans are psychopaths. I think they would have said, we need a full investigation, we need transparency, even if we don't like the press, even if we don't like Marco Rubio, how could this be such a cluster F of a national security, right, that you allowed these people to die and/or face security threats while the president was safely escorted away? And I think that would be a massive scandal regardless of who's president. Okay, let's move on, I agree with a lot of what you said there. Let's move to what's been happening, Jojo, with the rise of the democratic socialists in America is a fascinating story. Now, Francesca Hong, who wanted to get rid of Thanksgiving, then changed her mind, wants to defund the police, blah, blah, blah. She didn't win in the end, but she did get a lot of votes and a lot of other of these democratic socialist candidates have been doing better than people would have expected maybe a few months ago. Are you celebrating this, do you think that the rise of democratic socialism in America is a winnable ticket for the Democrats in a general election? Because that really is the fundamental question here. Because many people think, look, these people, Al Sayed, is a good example. They can galvanise people locally and they can get a lot of attention nationally, but they couldn't win a general election. What do you feel about this? Al Sayed says he's not a democratic socialist, let's just start with that. But I think that what this says and what this signals is that the democratic party has to be listening to their voters, that there is hunger for a change, largely younger candidates who are talking to the people about what they need, what their lived experiences are. And having actual plans to address them, I think that the democratic party has been reluctant to change for far too long and what we're seeing right now is energy that is moving away from the establishment. And I think that that's an important thing to listen to and I think that there is growth there. And I think that these candidates, again, Al Sayed does, is not a democratic socialist, but I think, you know, in the general election in Michigan, he's already making that pivot. And I think we've seen it. He was, he was on the Sunday morning shows and he was fantastic. And everything that he was talking about resonated with someone who I think of myself as more of a centrist in terms of being a Democrat and the things that he said made perfect sense to me. I think that these candidates can do that. I think that they can thread the needle between, you know, the younger voters and what they're looking for, which are, which is younger candidates who are listening to their lived experience. And somebody who's been around the block a few times, like a 52-year-old mom, like me. All right. Elijah Schaffer. I mean, my take on this is, I look at people like Mamdani in New York. I look at L-Scied, they're very, very good communicators, they're young, they're dynamic. I may not agree with many of their policy ideas, but I can certainly recognize political game when I see it. The, I would not underestimate AOCs, another one, right? I wouldn't underestimate their ability to resonate particularly with a younger audience in America. But it is at the same time very concerning, I think, to people who are more of the old fashioned centrist Democrat, if you like, to watch the rise of genuine socialists here. What do you feel about it? Yeah. It's obvious that right now, currently, you know, we've all been told to support capitalism and of the right, especially Republicanism, has been very pro-capitalism, laissez-faire, you know, the white hand, let the economy work, but the economy is not working for younger millennials and down. And you cannot refute the way that young people feel. And while we're spending $3 billion a day fighting Israel's war in Iran, another war decades in, watching infrastructure collapse, you know, state corruption. There's a, you know, railroad to nowhere, high speed bullet train in California, all the way to every new highway is a toll road in Texas. You know, people can't afford homes, they can't afford to go out to eat. People don't see a future with a family or to have children. So not only do we have the rise of democratic socialism, as I mentioned earlier, on the left, which is the natural recourse, because you know what, I'm going to admit this. A lot of times, Fox tries to scare people into hating socialism and it's correct, because socialism will hurt anyone who has an investment in this country, anyone who has capital, anyone who's established. But people that are, should be established that are quite old now are not. And it really wouldn't affect them as much as they think. So we not only have the right moving towards, you know, far right socialist ideas at the state level, but we also have these issues where like, you know, you see people saying, hire people voting Muslims in. You mentioned the other person running for Congress, well, it's because people see that a lot of Muslims are not taking Israeli money, they're against APAC. And maybe it's more important to stop the wars overseas so we can focus on domestic, not international policy on behalf of a foreign country. And maybe that's going to be our best chance to actually fixing this. My opinion, my final opinion is this, unless we get APAC out of American politics, unless we stop funneling our money into foreign intervention into being the world's police, that winning the Iran War on a 42nd time closing and opening the straight, you will see young people unequivocally turn towards a top down state mandated regulation of finances and increase of taxes, because the current system sucks. It's not helping people. People see no path forward. And extremism is the only other thing. And extreme polarization will continue forward. And that's what's going to happen unless we actually get control of our government. It starts representing the people and making appropriate economic policies. Other than that, then we're going to see Muslims align with the young people. We're going to see, you know, democratic socialists, we're going to see communism. And we're going to see Naziism. We're going to see far-right fascism become very popular in the next 20 years, unless we actually get back to focusing on the American dream, which has been dead for at least 15 years. >> Okay, let me bring Taurus in on this, Taurus. It seems to me it's a fascinating moment in American political history, because it's both on the left and the right. You have, well, you have like the conservatives on the right, you have, on the left, a Democrat, everyone is struggling to work out what the soul of the party ought to be. And you're seeing the same thing happen with Magga and the right, you're seeing the same on the left now. Well, let's talk first about what's happening on the left. How concerned are you about the rise of democratic socialism? not at all. It's the will of the American people and that's what that's why we vote and I wouldn't vote for a socialist, but if my neighbor does and more of my neighbors vote for it than I do, then that will be the course of this country. I mean, whether you like it or don't like it, that's how this is supposed to work, but a lot of that I think it is and this whole idea the American dream is dead. Everyone sitting here on this panel right now is enjoying the benefits of the American dream. We're allowed to say whatever we want and with very little repercussions that maybe somebody are trolling us. But the whole point of this is is that we saw during the pandemic a real breakdown of you can live off the government. You can not have to work hard. You can your quality of life is more important than work ethic and we saw that that was one of the horrible spills. We saw a whole generation of people I had to deal with my two sons to where their high school experience was nothing more than a laptop. They spent more time surfing on other stuff than actually paying attention to school and then they were graduate and then they're cast out in the world supposed to go work and the tools that they needed weren't there. But then well, hey, I can just live off that or hey, I can just blame this and another thing is that one of the things we're missing is for our young generation, their JFK moment was the Epstein files. That is the conspiracy thing. That's what wrapped young people up. That's what made them think that all governments corrupt, all politicians are dirty. And even if you do the right thing or try to do right thing, something bad is going to happen to you. We have a whole young generation of that, but it's a microcosm and another thing is nobody votes. Mandami won in New York. He had no real opposition and only 11% turned out to vote. So it's more of the fact that Americans just aren't involved. I think they're exhausted by the by politics and the media. I think they're exhausted by fighting with neighbors. So I'm just not going to sit this one out. And there's this young core that is mobilized. I would say misguided because they're so spoiled in America. This is the only country where you can wake up every morning and you can go find a job. Or you can get meal food. All you have to do is go get it. I'm not I'm about the American dream has made my life. I have I have a wonderful life. I work my ass off. I've got more failures and victories, but that's the point of this country. This is the only place we can all sit and talk shit about our president and say whatever we want to do because this is America. And if the American populist votes for a Muslim in the White House, that's so be it. It's the voice of the American people. And that's what is always going to be, but I think it's more of they're doing well because of low voter turnout. And the other thing is we have a group and we saw this in the 70s. America always reconnects. There's always a time and right now our young people are very skeptical government because of what they saw and what the benefits were for a lot of them during the pandemic was. I don't really have to work hard. I do is complain enough and the government will give me money. Pears. May I completely agree with that point about young. Yeah, you would just respond, but there's a lot there that I was agreeing with. What did you think of what's ours to set? Let's go back 20 years to Barack Obama. I was told he was unelectable. Barack Hussein Obama. He can't win. It was going to be Hillary Clinton's the establishment pick. Why did he win? Because he presented something. Earlier of the war on terror, which you and I appears rightfully opposed. Also the 2008 economic crisis, right? He won. Then you look at 2016. Donald Trump wasn't going to win. How could Donald Trump win? This guy's a reality TV star. This has this man has no elected experience whatsoever, but he promised that he'd be a bulldozer. He wasn't, but nonetheless, he promised he'd be a bulldozer. He changed it. People said, I want to change. I'm fed up with the system. 2024. He wins again. The same people voted for Donald Trump in 2024 turn around and vote for that Democratic Socialist AOC and also Mamdani. How do you make sense of it all? Because it's top versus bottom. The 1% versus the 99%. People are sick and tired of an establishment and institutions that no longer work for them. The average age to get a home. You know what the average age is now in 2026 41 in the 1990s. It was 27 60% of Americans say they have tough time making their ends meet. The rich have gone richer. Everyone has gone poor. Wages have remained stagnant. Workers in America work harder than Japanese workers and European workers. We leave more vacation days on the table. We're dying younger, but we don't have healthcare. One of the top three reasons why people are in debt is due to healthcare in the wealthiest country in the world that finds billions of dollars to fight an illegal unwinnable war in Iran and give billions of dollars to Israel. What says, you know what, we can't give you universal childcare. United States is the only industrialized country pairs that does not guarantee paid paternal leave, paid family leave. So people are sitting there saying, you promise me the American dream. I can't afford the American dream. I got two people in this house working two jobs each and we're barely making. Meanwhile, Donald Trump, the Epstein class, the billionaires are making a record amount of money. The system is rate. This is why I think you're seeing a lot of people say we don't care about Democrats. We don't care about Republicans. What are you Democratic Socialists? Sure. Let me roll the dice. This is my, my pointer to people, anyone who's listening, anyone who's a Democrat or Republican wants to win. These are the wide open lanes. Go against the establishment. Go against billionaires. Go against the Epstein class. Go against forever words. Stop taking money from AI, APAC or crypto. Fight for the people. Fight for universal healthcare, universal childcare. Fight for living wages. The economic progress of populist agenda is what's uniting so many people regardless of their political affiliation. And as the rich keep getting richer peers, you're going to see this growing rage, universally, not just America, growing rage. This is unsustainable. This is why I think Democratic Socialism, with all the fearmaringer against them, Francesca Hong, barely lost by four tenths of a point, Abdul, as Joe said, is not a Democratic Socialist. One by a point, David McKinney, one in Michigan, as a Democratic Socialist, yesterday Peggy Flanagan, one as a progressive in Minnesota, Mike Little, one in Minnesota, second district, despite 3.5 million dollars in APAC money, still one. Yes, the poll came out today, then, but Munani has a what plus 14 approval, and he's gone up. You have to change the economic system. It's top versus bottom. Yeah, and you know, it's interesting to me as a non-American to see that if you actually look at a lot of what you just said about what people are gravitating to, they're also gravitating to people on the right who also share those views. Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Megan Kelly, to a degree in others. You know, there's a kind of unity of agreement about things like not interfering in foreign wars, about why the Epstein files should have all been revealed and so on, which is really interesting to me as a non-American to watch this convergence of agreement between completely polar opposite people before coming together in a strange way, and I'm not entirely sure how it all plays out. Let's turn to another contentious issue of the week, and Jojo, I'll come to you first on this. This is the whole issue of Sophie Cunningham in the WNBA, who made a statement about her opposition to having trans athlete, trans women, competing in the WNBA. She made a point she has nothing against trans people, she totally respects them, but she doesn't think it's fair. I read the statement, I saw nothing to disagree with, I completely agree with her, I think the whole thing is completely insane, I don't know why we have to still debate this, it's so obviously unfair, it's why we separate the sexes in things like the Olympics or the World Cup football, whatever it may be. However, it's become this sort of touch paper, if you like, for what they call the Cultural War to be, and it sort of manifested itself with Sophie Cunningham playing after her statement, and just being taken out by the Chicago Sky Guard, Dejane Carrington, who then got ejected for what she did, and subsequently posted white privilege on social media and tagged fever in the post. Now, Cunningham's service has nothing to do with race, but she's right, it didn't. Last year I did the same thing I got kicked out, I deserved to be kicked out, there's no reason even to play that card. Dejane, later posted on X, I've never once claimed that the assessment of the foul was white privilege, that was your assumption, try exercising critical thinking skills and then went on a bit more of a moan. But of course, she had exactly done what she pretended she hadn't done, she had said white privilege and tagged fever, that's what she was clearly talking about. So on this, you've got a lot of stuff going on, but let's start with a fundamental point here, which has driven the controversy. Do you understand, JoJo, that the vast majority of people left them right in America and around the world, actually, but in America, the vast majority think it is completely unfair, purely from a science, stroke, biology perspective for trans athletes to compete in women's sport? I think that this is an issue that, for some strange reason, some people in this country like to make a bigger issue than it actually is. The percentage of trans athletes in professional sports of any kind is minuscule. I think Sophie Cunningham is entitled to her opinion. I think that this is a conversation that needs to happen with more nuance. But do you agree with Sophie Cunningham? And if you don't, what is it about what she says? that you don't agree with. -Why don't have the exact statement? So I'm not exactly, can you have it in front of you? Can you read what she actually said? -Well, trans women, well, we'll get the exact statement. But essentially, trans women have an unfair advantage over biological females. It's the premise of her argument. And she said, "I'm not, she's not remotely transphobic. She doesn't hate trans people. She has no problem with trans people's existence. She just believes, fundamentally, that if you're a born or biological male, if you then identify as a trans woman, you have an unfair physical advantage over biological females. It is an undeniable fact. And it is why we separate sexes in sport." So my question for you is a straightforward one. You may not think it's a big problem. Actually, the United Nations in 2024 identified nearly a thousand different cases up and down the levels of girls and women's sport around the country where girls and women had been deprived of a medal in competitive sport by trans athletes. So it's not a small problem. If that was the number of people doping, I'm sure you would be appalled and say the doping has to stop. And the doping, of course, gave people an unfair advantage. So I don't understand why we're even still arguing about this. And I think people on the left honestly have to just wake up, smell the cappuccino, do a bit of biology if they didn't study it at school, and understand that this is not a contentious issue. Excuse me, Pierce, that-- I don't think that what she said was transphobic. I will say that, but what worries me is that it's a gateway and on ramp to transphobia. And I think we've seen that as a ramification of a lot of this rhetoric about an issue that in this country in particular, collegiate sports-- you know, high school sports, elementary school, sports, grammar school-- this is not actually, percentage wise, a very big issue. What I worry about is that it vilifies an already marginalized group of people that are just trying to live their lives authentically. That's what I'm concerned about. Yeah, but actually, I blame-- But hang on, yeah, but Jojo, let me bring Tarris in here because I can tell he's struggling with what you're saying here. Tarris, my problem with this is it's chicken in the egg. People get accused of whipping up mockery towards trans people, to which I say the problem has been caused by people feigning to be their allies. They say I'm a trans ally, but by perpetuating the myth that there is nothing unfair about trans athletes competing in women's sport, they are exposing trans people to mockery. And I've heard this from trans people, myself, both as guests on my show and trans people, I know myself, that they are sick and tired of this debate being fuelled by their so-called allies. Well, a man trying to play in women's sports should be vilified. Absolutely. The only reason why they're doing it is for advantage. You take the swimmer. He was what? 72nd. He was pretty much irrelevant in men's swimming. Lo and behold, he woke up one morning, and he's a woman now, and now he's competing for championships and making comments like he should be in Olympics. The reason why he's being done is for advantage. That's why you don't see it like, for example, in the equestrian world, where men and women compete on horses because the horses that deciding factor, there's no trans athletes there because there's no advantage. So, and this just goes back to the thing. It's the same thing with when a black person is racist against a white person, they're gonna be like, "Well, you can't blame that because he's black." No, absolutely. The individual deserves bad behavior, deserves correction. And it's for advantage. And I think what it's absolutely hilarious what is going on right now with freedom, and I think Royce, where they decided to be trans to join the WNBA to call them out on their narrative. Why they still do this? Why Sophie Cunningham? She should just be a lot of play basketball. Where her statements shouldn't have been controversial. It's a such a ridiculous argument. It's just one of the things of the first world, the new narrative of everybody's special when they're not. And when we were kids, this wasn't an issue, boys didn't play in girl sports. And even if they tried, girls had these things called older brothers, and it didn't happen. This isn't, this is something that is just ridiculous. It's part of the woke thing. I don't know if there's funding that goes for it. I don't know why women come out and support men playing in women's sports. It's ridiculous to me. I wouldn't let my daughters play against the boy of the same age because it's just, there's a reason for it. Unfortunately, and look at domestic violence stats, men are physically stronger than women, period. That's just fast. It's women are smarter, but men are physically more aggressive. There's a reason why we're built, the way we're built, and it is an unfair statement. And it's always, they're always at the top of their game. Because if they came into women's sports and they weren't succeeding and they weren't dominating, they all of a sudden wouldn't do it. They can play, there is a place for them to play. They can play in men's sports. Men are more accepting. Hey, if you're good at what you do, if you can catch the ball and you want to wear a dress, Dennis Romney exemplify that. He was, he married himself. And he was the most, the vicious defender in the NBA. No one kicked him out. So I mean, this is, I agree with you. This is an issue that shouldn't be an issue, but we're living in a time where social media and mainstream media will rev this stuff up on both sides. And we're arguing and talking about it instead of focusing on really important things. And again, I want you to think we're just trying to live their life. They're not trying to play sports. >> Yeah, I will, Joe, how we'll bring you in. I just want to get you, I wanted to ask Tara specifically about the John A's behavior here. >> She narrates it. >> She narrated it. >> She didn't really erase it and done it. >> And she 1000% got in the locker room. I don't know if her phone was in her pocket or what and said, white privilege. You switched that. Let's revolt. Let's say Cunningham took her down, got ejected, went into the locker room and wrote black privilege. This would be a very different panel. And there's this, unfortunately, one of the side effects in America is it's okay to be racist against white people. It's not. And the fact that we have allowed it, that American media allows this to happen. To her statement was, I mean, I'm just straight up, no one's saying it, you're lying. You actually got some pushback for making a really raceless comment about a person you plan to be with. And we need to start holding people accountable. Just because your pigments darker, doesn't give you the right to attack someone because their pigment isn't. It's, it's, it's, it's, >> Yeah, I don't even allow it. >> I don't agree. >> So, it was, she played the race card. She then pretended she hadn't. Yeah, but Johan, I just want to read, part of the article that Sophie Cunningham wrote for ESPN. I got a lot of negative feedback about me hating Trance, you said. And I'm like, I never once said that. I think I'm here to extend love, but I also think that with love is truth and being honest. I want to protect young girls in a locker room or young girls in sport who shouldn't have to go against biological men. And then a follow-up interview said, I think, I said what I said. I think it's kind of common sense. I think it's really important to protect children. I stand on what I said. Now, again, I would just ask you, is there anything she said that you object to, that you find fundamentally to be wrong? >> So allow me to respond. If I will, I'll respond to all the questions. First and foremost, I want to go back to the race question. Just this week, the President of the United States, that's Donald Trump from the Oval Office, said that Somali Americans are dumb. This is on top of him calling them criminals. This is on top of them saying come on. >> What does that have to do with DT? >> What is it like? >> Wait, wait, I'll get to it here. >> Let's stick with me. >> I almost found you on the list. >> Wait, wait, let's think about it. Nancy Mays said the most, like Islamophobic tweet, people did not in any way shape a form of condemnment. And then you also have, speaking my protective opinion. >> I did, I did on the show. >> President of the United States. >> I did on this very show. I literally condemned, I'm actually condemned. Nancy, so when you say, when you say no one condemned it, I did. >> Okay, did the Republicans say those things about Somalians? I condemn that too. >> Well, what's I going to do with Sophie gunning him? >> Here's, wait, wait, you're talking about racism. I'm talking about the complete double standard. Because you're saying protect women. I'm not you, not you, Pierce. I'm talking about Republicans. Protecting women, right? It's all about protecting women, right? Let's protect women. This week, the President of the United States and America, stood by Max Miller, who is a representative in Ohio, who literally has been credibly accused of spousal abuse and injuring his infant. >> So much has got nothing to do with Sophie gunning him. >> It's about to lose the strength. >> It's about to lose the strength he should not be in office. >> Wait a minute, Max Miller is a psychopath, right? If you don't mind me saying, I will say to you, it is sounding like you are deliberately distracting back to Trump, back to Republicans, I'm trying to find the example, which I condemned. Because I don't care about double standards, I want you to talk about the issue of trans issue. Talk about the issue of trans women. >> Give me 30 seconds. Give me 30 seconds. >> But last in the question. For two years, Republicans have spent $200 million in the 2020 election, $200 million was spent on the anti-transgender campaign. The issue was, we have to protect women, right? We have to protect women. There are zero transgender men in the WWE NBA, zero. Meanwhile in the past two years, you know what they did to protect women? They support Max Miller. You know what they do to protect women? Take away money from women, infant and children. Destroy abortion rights. Don't do anything for health care. Right now, billions of dollars are going. Joe, Joe, talk about you and build women. So you guys care about women so much. But you take money away from women. Okay, put your head. We'll take women, and you'll have health care. And a trillion dollars will be cut from Medicaid, which will show what you guys have created. I'm going to put you in, I get it, I get it. I get it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Here's the problem. Transgender men in the WNBA. Why can't you let these women just play the basketball game? Transgender people are the most important community in America. Trump has spent two years attacking them. Leave them alone. You won. You won. You beat them up. You mock them. You know, you know, you know, you know, nobody, I don't want to mock. I don't want to mock, I don't want to mock or ridicule any trans people. I believe trans people deserve the same rights as you or me or Tyres or Jojo. But not at the expense of eroding women's rights to safety, equality and unfairness. Did you disagree? Peers. Zero. Do you think they're in the WNBA? Zero. Peers. Can I say something here? So just to be clear, just to be clear. He's not saying anything. No, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on for a second. I'm going to pin with Jojo. You've been hanging on for like ten years. You are aware of it. Hang on, hang on with Jojo. With Jojo. With Jojo. With Jojo. With Jojo. No, I'm not. I just told. I just told you that nearly 1,000 girls and women, according to the United Nations, missed out on medals in 2024 because of trans women competing against biological females. It is not a zero issue. Lea Thomas, the swimmer, went from being a mediocre swimmer in the men's game as a biological man to becoming unbelievably championship-winning successful as a so-called women athlete, right? It is unfair and wrong. We saw in the last Paris Olympics, we saw a Algerian boxer who hit an Italian woman so hard that the Italian woman quit after 45 seconds because she'd never been hit that hard. Women are going to die at the altar of this transgender in-women sport activism. And you dismiss it as being irrelevant and you don't care, and you say it's a zero issue, to which I say with Jojo, you are completely wrong. And one of the reasons why the left keep losing on these culture wars is not because of the hypocrisy you rightfully identify, I don't disagree with you at all about the double standards in hypocrisy, but on this fundamental issue of whether it is fair and right and equal and safe for trans women to compete in women's sport, you are completely wrong. And you are deluding yourself if you think it is a zero problem. That kind of my respond, I will respond very quickly. If you think that this is a described people, I don't think it will. I think this is an issue that died out in 2024, you're beating a dead horse. I also think if you cared about women, if you do, I think you do peers, you would actually invest in women's health, in Roe v. Wade, in abortion rights, in women, in children, in Medicaid. This is what people care about. You guys have beaten up transgender people for two years. Let it go. Oh, it's not about beating up transgender people. Transgender people are literally beating up women in Olympic boxing rings and winning gold medals are ought to go to actual women. They are the ones that was beating up. Why can't you understand that gender? Wait a minute, wait a minute. In fact, that woman failed a chromosome test, which is why she was banned from the world championships and is so far refused to take a sex test, which would simply establish whether she is biologically male or female. We know why she's refusing to do it. So it's complete bullshit to say that she is a woman. Peers do agree with me that if we want to protect women, we're almost out of town. They're right now, non-Trump should not support, who's accused of beating up his wife and his daughter. Correct? I think you may, I think you, I think you may perfectly good points about hypocrisy and double standards, but it will be noted for the record that you think there is zero problem with trans-assist, you're either, you're either, you're either on that, you're right at the moment, but there will be, and that's why these two men who are testing the system, the two former male basketball players are now, so we're going to test the system. And we're seeing the WNBA saying they're going to have to have a meeting to work out what a woman is. This is how fucking nuts this debate has got. Let me bring it a lot before we finish Elijah, I'm not proud enough to, yeah, not proud enough men have to say it. I saw those leaks of Brittany Griner playing basketball with the shirt off. Looks like Kleinfelter syndrome, probably an intersex individual, not going to mock her or him or how they identify a background to molecular biology and genetics. I understand there are real genetic anomalies that happen where people present one way sexually but have multiple variations of chromosomes, we're not talking about that. Let's talk about three things really quickly here, the trans issue in general. That was invented. Back in 2011, go back to the Obama era when you had the populist movement rising. We all thought in 2008 we'd have a black president, America would heal. We would get over the war on terror, but then we ended up having populism. You have the Tea Party, Glenn Beck, you have the Occupy Wall Street, notable figures like Tim Poole coming out of that. You start seeing the similar move today towards this populism and figuring out that the oligarchs, this is a huge internal issue in our country that are gutting our nation, dry regardless of political affiliation. So what does the establishment do? They introduce the culture war, we get the legalization of gay marriage, don't worry, it's not going to snowball. We're going to tell your kids about anal sex in school. You think we're going to be pushing your kids to chop off their balls and chemically castrate themselves? Well, they did. And I kind of agree with WatchaHot that it's a little bit dead, but why are we even arguing this? It's because the culture war divided us, it polarized us and it made us care about issues that don't affect us. Here's why. We're on network television, appears you have a formidable, very, very large, even online following in the United States, tens of millions of people. And we're here arguing about a sport that nobody wants to watch. Sports are about competition, about the best of the best. The fact that we're talking about women's sports, I don't care about women's sports, and neither do most Americans, because like the same reason why we don't get super excited about the special Olympics, which they're very similar. I care about the best of the best. If a woman is really good and she could compete in male sports, then good, let her compete. Athletics shouldn't be about sex and gender. Athletics should be about competition of the greatest and the best. And if women can't compete, then maybe they weren't designed. That's not what their purpose is, is to be athletic and competitive and be on the market. So when we're talking about men being in women's sports, the effect that we're talking about this, who cares about women's sports? Let Joe go, let Joe go, let Joe go, and I'm going to give the final word to Joe, because I think she's ready to play. I mean, that was a nine layer dip of just fucking what the fuck did. When your voice changes, let's have a real conversation, okay, in the meantime, you can shut your fucking speaking with a small about what you look. You said your penis is small. I didn't say your penis is small, dude, I don't want to ever think about your penis. But for you, you mentioned it three times in one sentence. Compare. I mean, the whole thing was, it was, it was disgusting. You're thinking honestly, you just managed to disperage people with disabilities and women in the same sound bite. I'm like, you're sitting there in your high chair and all your smogness without I'm freaking talking about your tiny little penis. That's poor. It's disgusting. Reminding an autistic person. I'm diagnosed level two autistic, and I even got india yet in Australia. I was an autistic paraprofessional as a matter of fact. I was a paraprofessional. So have some respect, please. Coolers. I'm not, I'm not the one who is talking about. And by the way, remind me again, when they would start talking about how to have anal sex with children in school. And when exactly they're making decisions about lobbing off parts of their body, I don't know who you are. I don't know how old you are. I am not mocking you for being autistic. I think that autistic people are incredible. Again, I spent seven, almost seven years of my life working with the most amazing children I have ever met. And it was one of the great blessings of my life. Thank you for your service. But you have managed. Don't mock. If that's supposed to be like mocking me, I don't appreciate that, what so I was appreciating what you did. Why are you? But I don't take a lot of the things that you're saying seriously. You just said that women aren't cut out for sports. Like, that's the kind of shit that makes people, that's not what you said. That isn't what you said. Yeah, I'm some professional sports. Professional sports. No, it is. Okay. We've got to wrap things up. You did, you know what Katelyn Clark, for example, is one of the most thrilling sports women I've seen in a long time, right? The whole reason I feel so passionately about this issue of not letting trans women compete in women's sport is so that people like Katelyn Clark can be genuine superstars in the women's sporting arena and not have to worry about six foot nine inch guys, suddenly saying, I'm a woman and coming in and taking their place on teams. That is what we're seeing happening more and more around the world at all levels of sport, which our hat doesn't think is happening. I simply say, Google it and surprise yourself. I want to end, I was going to ask you all about James Bond because the producer, Amy Pascal, said that Daniel Craig is a hard at to follow. She's going to be something really different, and he's stirring exciting and different. I haven't got time to ask you all I would say, as a, as Greta Thunberg, as given I'm her hero, as a-- - Congratulations on your buddy's guy. - Thank you very much, yeah. I'm not entirely sure she was being sincere, but I'll take it, I'll take it. - Thank you, thank you. - But what I would say, exactly, Torres, but what I would say is a white middle age British guy is that it should be a white middle age British guy. Please, James Bond. And I would like this surprising twist. I would like him to go back to being a hard drinking, chain smoking, aggressive, violent, ruthless dispatcher of the bad guys, an ardent womanizer, pretty amoral, somebody who's politically incorrect, somebody who you would love to have a drink with, but wouldn't want to antagonize 'cause you might shoot you. I'd like to go back to what James Bond was supposed to be, rather than a weeping, crying, vulnerable, imbecilic creature who isn't allowed to do any of those things. Can we please have James Bond back? Thank you. - Yes, Torres, you be the villain. I'll be bombed. And it all ends with me taking you out on an island. - The British are white. I'll say that you said you're a white middle age, white middle age man. British people are white, that's not offensive. It's their country. People can become nationally British, I guess, through naturalization, but. - That's a distinct people. - A lot of British people are not wild, so. - A lot of, but you know what? I like it. I can't let you slide in a minute, thank you. I won't let you put James Bond. - You know what? I won't let you put a lot of plays and racism in the end. - Oh my life is terrible bullshit. - Like it's comments about women, it's total bullshit. Which I have final words you very quickly. - Good luck. - Good luck. - Pears, I knew too much about your fantasies, but thank you for sharing it with the world. Number two, there's an actual fantastic Bond game called Double Low Seven. First light, which has a young bond. I think that'd be really good. It's on PlayStation 5, it's excellent. I think Donald Trump is from Russia with love. And I have a question for you, Pears. What is your favorite Bond movie? Who's your favorite Bond? - Actually, my favorite Bond was always, well Roger Moore was brilliant, not least 'cause actually, I looked a bit like him when I was young. But my favorite, but I think Sean Connery was the greatest Bond ever. And I think that we should get back to the Sean Connery version of James Bond. Stop worrying about making him vulnerable and weepy and not allowed to date women or smoke or drink because some advertiser somewhere is gonna freak out 'cause they still trapped in a world world. I've got to leave it there. Anyway, I'm gonna be Bond. - I'm gonna be Bond. But I did once, my favorite movie actually would be funnily enough, you know the one that is rising in all the ranks as the greatest ever is on Her Majesty's Secret Service. - As a guard George Lazenby, George Lazenby who only made one movie and I met him here in Los Angeles actually in a cricket match 'cause he's Australian. And we had a great chat and he was very aware that he made one movie and it's become more and more popular. I think it now ranks number one amongst many Bond fans. So I would say on Her Majesty's Secret Service, my favorite Bond is Sean Connery. I like the idea which I'm gonna pitch to Barbara Broccoli after this of me being the new Bond, Tarris being the Bond villain. I can't think of anyone better cast than Tarris. And Tarris ends with me killing it. On that bombshell. - We need to see it. - She's a British woman from Senegal play James Bond since it doesn't matter since they're all British. - Yes, thank you Elijah. We appreciate your thoughts. Thank you all very much. - Always a pleasure Pierce. - Nick Foyntay is a fan of Joseph Stalin. Hassan Piker has at the very least a nuance to take on Chairman Mao. Young American voters are turning in droves to charismatic socialists who may yet shape the next presidential race. Whether this is a terrifying result of youthful ignorance and bad education or justified reactions with failing status quo probably depends on your age. Recent polling show that more Gen Z Americans feel good about socialism than capitalism. The question is, can we blame them? Wages are flat, owning a home is out of reach. Wealth is halted by tech balance who are working on replacing them all with bots. And the anti-war president is stuck in a protracted war. If all of those positions were reversed would America's most popular left-wing streamer be talking up, Chairman Mao? Well, joining us with his view is America's most popular right-wing streamer, the historian and author, Victor Davis Hanson. Victor, welcome back to Uncensored. - Thank you. Well, what is going on when people like Hassan Piker are getting glowing features in Rolling Stone magazine? Because so many young people are gravitating to somebody who has talked in, you know, not entirely unglowing terms about Chairman Mao to many people's eyes, the biggest butcher in modern history. And also talked about, you know, America deserving what happened on 9/11. Well, we're seeing a phenomenon that the ethnic breakdown of the democratic socialists of America is 85% white and urban and mostly degree. So what we're seeing at least as the leadership in this one category, which is about half of the movement, are people who are from the middle and upper middle class who got degrees, but they're not marketable degrees. They're in the social sciences or dash studies. They live in very expensive urban corridors. They rub shoulders with very wealthy people. They're very glib and they feel that they should have a house and they should have a lifestyle that they see other people enjoying. And they don't look critically and say, well, what's going on? I should say that the home ownership rate has not gone down. It's been traditionally between 63 and 68% over 100 years. And it's 65% right now. So what we're talking about is a group that's very angry in Denver, Los Angeles, Chicago, Washington, Boston. And then we have another phenomenon. And that is the Ilian Omar, Rashida Thalib, Chivalier, Mondami, Hassan Piker. I could go on and on. Kiros, these are first or second generation immigrants from mostly failed states. And they come over here. And all of the enticements in that urban environment out of the university and the urban are on the left. So if you identify as just satisfied DEI, but they're not in the same category for the most part. Ilian Omar just filed, maybe she's, I don't know what she'll do next time, a $30 million financial statement. Mondami comes from the 1% in Uganda that controls 65% of the national wealth of Uganda. Hassan Piker is from a multi-millionaire family, but drives a portion. He lives in a very $2.7 million holiday. I could go on, but this is a top down, not a bottom-up movement. And the proof of the pudding will see, if this message, and that they get the picture now, they are trying to disguise what they've said in the past. We saw that with AOC. We saw that with Hong. They're trying to say, we really didn't mean that. That was woke one, because they haven't been able so far to win a general election in a statewide race. They're very successful in little enclaves of congressional districts in blue states and blue cities. But the proof of the pudding will be Talleriko, Saeed, and others in a purple or blue or red state. And then that's what they're worried about, because their messages and their social media history will offend people. And so now they're trying to spin as quickly as possible to disown some of the more radical things that got them where they are. In order to stand in everything you said, do you understand why young people are gravitating to these guys? Because I look at some of the outside, look at Mamdani. They're very good communicators, they're very charismatic. They talk a great game. And a lot of young people-- Now, I think on the home ownership, for example, what I heard today, actually, is that I think the average age now of people getting their first home has moved up to 41. So it may well be the overall ownership is not really changed. But the ability of young people to get on that housing ladder was seen exactly the same thing in the UK. It's become prohibitively expensive for young people to get on that first rung when they're younger. And that has been a successful change. what why is that? It's not just the economy in generic terms. It's $1.8 trillion in aggregate student debt. This week, I have talked to one Hispanic man that was 28 years old, who was an electrician who worked with me on my pump. I live in a farm. Last week, I talked to a Hispanic man about 32 who was an electrician. They both own homes. They're very happy. Today, a person is coming and fixing gutters. Hispanic. I live in a Hispanic community. They're none of them are socialists. They all own homes. But if you want, none of them would own homes if they had gone and got a sociology or psychology degree and racked up $250,000 of debt and said they just had to be where they action is in San Francisco or Los Angeles or San Diego. They wouldn't, they would be what you're talking about. But that is not the nationwide phenomenon. And they know, they know that. And so they're adjusting that message. They're not going to run trust me. They are not going to run on a statewide race by calling for the abolition of the borders, the Pentagon, the police, the presidency, the Senate. They're not going to do that. They're going to say that they're for the working people. But why are houses also expensive? They're also expensive because the average home compared to 50 years ago is about 500 square feet larger. It's much better bill. It has a much more accoutrements in it. And there's a lot more regulations in where I work at Stanford University in the surrounding area. There's a hundred square miles of what we would call empty space. But the people who have homes and they're on the left have so regulated that with not in my backyard environmentalism. I wrote an article about 10 years ago and said, I think we should have high density housing along the 280 corridor. We have some rail links we can miss and we have about 50 square miles of empty land. We have the water. That is the, that column earned me the most hatred that I've ever written in 50 years. People wrote and said, you are, you should be ashamed of yourself. I have a polo field in my backyard or I need my three acres or I will kill anybody who wants to take the deer grazing on my backyard. These were all very affluent people. And so the regulation, many of it environmentally driven has driven up the price of houses. But it's not, there's still the majority of people still in this country on a home. And they don't, that's not true as you point out. It's not true in the places where they're socialists are winning. But that's, those are unique circumstances and many of them are self-created. And what are they going to do? What is their, what is their solution to it? Their solution is what to have subsidized rent or that's not going to get people to build more rent control. Pass laws that squatters can be protected. They've done that in Santa Cruz here in California. They don't have solutions. They don't go to the private sector and say, we will give you incentives if you build homes in the 150 to 500 thousand dollar range, maybe a thousand to 1500 square feet. They're not doing that. They're not doing that because their donor class doesn't want them to do that because the donor class doesn't want mass scale, affordable housing. That's not what they want. They want, you know, they want something like Europe, high rises with no one with an auto meal meal and mass crowds are on the subway. Just go back to Chairman Mal for a moment, purely because the comments from Hassan Piker have been doing the rounds again in light of his rising profile. This is what he actually said about Mal. Malzé Dawng is one of the great leaders of this world, okay, a man who changed the entire universe, the entire planet. Okay. For real, for real. Yes. I mean, there was a lot of fucking excesses. Let's be real, but the people's Republic of China would not exist without Malzé Dawng. Well, I mean, to dismiss Chairman Malz negatives, as there were a lot of fucking excesses, seems to be the understatement of the millennium. What is your response to what you mean? Well, I mean, the black, the black book of communism listed him as the greatest mass murder in history, 60 to 70 million people, either had executed or starved. So that's, and the Chinese government trust me is where it is today because it absolutely rejected 100% of the Mao peasant, self autonomous economy, which was crazy. People were making pot iron in their little homes and trying to, you know, be self-sufficient. It didn't work. And once they liberalize the economy and westernize the economy to a certain extent, that's where the prosperity came. We've come a long way, peers. If you remember during the Obama administration, Nita Dunn was the communications director, and she said at one point that her hero in history was Mao Zé Dawng, and they outcryed, not just from the conservative side, but from the democratic side was such, she had to resign and step down, but that same party now will have a on a bash admire of Mao campaign. And the people, I don't think, I think it's a fair thing to say if you were a major candidate in a blue state and you had to pick between Hassan Piker and Chuck Schumer, the majority probably would pick Hassan Piker, even though he said things like, yeah, 9/11 was justified. And he said a lot of things that I would interpret as abjectly anti-Semitic. He said he didn't think anybody who supported Israel could be or should be President, et cetera, et cetera. But nobody, the media also has it. Well, just very quick, the media really hasn't discussed the history of socialist revolutions, the 1848 revolution, earlier the Jacobin revolution, the Bolshevict revolution, the people who organized those had minority support, and they were from the upper middle and even wealthy classes. And that's exactly what we're seeing today, that we have a lot of big donors. We have Mondami, who was, as I said, the 1% is parents for PhDs. And we have Rokana now thinks he's a neo-socialist. He's worth $200 million. His wife drives a Range Rover. I mentioned Hassan Piker. So this is a top-down elite group of people, and I don't think they're going to have any residents when they get out and outside of their enclave. But we'll see. Depends a lot about how the Republicans handle it, and we'll see. Well, I want to bring another guest now to join Mr. Bate. Joining us now to help explain where Piker's views may have come from is Professor Moubo Gaal, he's a neo-Mouist historian and author. Welcome to Uncensored Professor Gaal. We just heard the Victor Davis Hanson, one of America's foremost historians, condemning Mao. Explain to my audience why you think that Mao has been unfairly assessed by history. Thank you for having me. Yes, perhaps first of all, I might ask Mr. Hanson, have you been to China? No. No. You're not a historian. Have you been Have you been have you been degrees? No, no, we're not talking about degrees. No, we're talking about Western Western civil is that I'm talking about. We're talking about. I don't think you have the qualification to talk about the Mao and China. I don't think I've been to China. You haven't been to China. You haven't been to the moon or have you been to the moon? You haven't been to the moon? You are talking sense. But anyway, let's let let me start asking, I'm certainly appears Morgan's question. Why do I think Mao is a great leader of China and the Chinese people think that as well? And this is interesting because this is the 50th anniversary of the death of Mao. And if you look at how the Chinese think, both inside the Chinese Communist Party and outside and the ordinary people and the anecdotal evidence plus comprehensive research, rigorous research demonstrate that Mao is the founder of the People's Republic of China and without him, there would not be a success of the 1949 Chinese revolution. And China is, as it is today, is due to largely his leadership. So now you are talking about, I mean, here's Morgan mentioned this, which is a cliché that Mao was the greatest butcher in the world like Stalin and Hitler. This is a cliché, is a total cliché. I don't think I don't know why you're still repeating it. No, it's not. It's not the fact. He was responsible for the deaths of up to 18 million people. No, it's not. I mean, it's not. Look, let me tell you this. The great leap forward you were talking about from 1958 to 1961 was a failure. There was a famine. I myself admit that. In my writings, in my talk. But exactly a number of the famine toll is still very controversial. There's no exact figure. If you are anti-communist and in China, you like to have as highest numbers possible. If you were sympathetic with the question. Well, let me finish. Let me finish. Because you haven't been talking for so long. I don't know how to make sense of it anyway. Let me finish. If you are sympathetic with the Chinese people, with the Chinese revolution, then you don't agree with that number. For instance, like, OK, one estimate of the famine toll is a linear estimate. So they take the birth rate of 1957. And then they say, in 1962, after the great leap forward, China should have such and such and such in the population. But that is very possible. I mean, it's highly likely. The so-called people who died of starvation were not even born. Because during famine, when the people are hungry, you don't have babies as many as usually do. All right, let me bring. All right, let me, let me bring Victor. Let me ask Victor to respond to that, Victor. I do agree with you that Mao is the reason that you have your government today. And that's why you have no free elections. You have no bill of rights. You treat the Wagers as third-class citizens. You monitor people who come into your country. You surveil them without civil liberties. And when you're on the international scene, you're now the international pariah. You manipulate monetary markets. You infringe on patent and copyright laws. You don't respect trademarks. If your country is so robust, why do you have 300,000 students here? And we have 10,000 in your country. Do you want me to answer that? Yeah, I do. You know, there isn't a survey, not better than Chinese, but Western, the pure survey, okay? The people who have a favorable view of China, the first time, has overtaken the United States. You know, the topic is people like you are sitting, are like a frog sitting at the bottom of a well. You don't know what outside the world is. For a lot of people outside of America, America under the leadership of Trump is a laughing stock. You think you are great, but we don't think so. Now, ask you a question, why did 25, 25 of the 30 Latin American countries that have free elections have just voted out pro-Chinese and communist governments and elected pro-American and pro-Western countries? It's Colombia, it's Chile, it's Argentina, I could go on. But China is a pariah now in Latin America. Even Panama wants it out. Because you're a mercantile and perilous country. You're imperialistic. You went to Venezuela, you're kidnapped the president of the country. That's one country. You invaded how many countries did you invade? None, none. The people of Venezuela don't want him. They don't want China in them. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and Iran. And those countries are all autonomous now. How about Tibet? What's the status of Tibet? You'd absorb that, and it's not even a free country. Why don't you go to Tibet and ask the people what do they think? If they said what they thought, I think they would be killed. Of course they would say what they say. You have to go and talk to them. Why don't you just have a free election? Why not just say we're going to have a free election? That's a question. One person about election is a Western tradition that has not been adopted by China. That is true. I personally like that, one person who I'm voting. Although I don't think it works very well, but still. Have you told the Chinese government that? Have you written that and told the time of this government that when you're living in China? Of course. You have never read my works, have you? Are you living now in China? No, I'm not. I'll go back to China. Why is that? Because my family is here. Because if you were to go to China and you would write a long critique of the Chinese Communist Party. No, I don't talk about the free elections. I don't think you would be watched. You would be surveilled. You say you know so much about China and you're deliberately trying to masquerade what you know about China. No, you're making all the accusations without any evidence. Everybody I know in America and I know several Chinese scholars. If they criticize China, they have a very hard time going to China and expressing those views. That's a fact. The fact is now if you criticize the United States of America, it's hard to go there these days. You know that, don't you? What's that? If you criticize the United States of America, it's hard to go there. Everybody. Everybody is right. You don't. I do all the time. No, what did you do about it? What did you do? I was just criticizing a student. You're a classic scholar. You have no qualification in commentating contemporary China. No, not at all. None. I read. I'm re-disappointed that you are invited on this panel. I've written extensively on the history of consensual governments worldwide. You should read the other Greeks. It's a 250,000 word discussion of the origins of consensual government. Yeah, I know that. I don't think to that. I know that. I know that. But we're talking about China. I just asked you. I can describe the meaning of it. I think that's a very good point. Sadly, we have to wrap this. It's a fascinating conversation. But I do think that Victor raises a very good point. Which is you don't have to go to the moon to comment about the moon landings or about lunar exploration. I think the argument, when people say we haven't been there, you can't talk about it. It doesn't mean you can't study history and understand the brutality of Mao. Or how many millions of Chinese peasants in particular suffered and died on his watch. It makes him statistically the biggest monster of modern times. And that includes Hitler and Stalin and others. Anyway, we're going to leave the debate there. I appreciate you both coming on. Thank you very much. But you are here wrong. You're making all wrong statements. Without any evidence. Well, you say they're wrong. I say that right. Yes, of course they're. You're right. There's an unit evidence. We can agree to disagree. You know what? We're having this debate in America, which is a free democratic society. And we can agree to disagree. No, of course we can agree to disagree. But you can't just make claims about evidence because you haven't studied either. I have actually studied Mao. I studied it when I was at school. So I'm very, I'm very cognizant of what Mao did. And your attempt to paper over the monstrosities of Mao is pretty simple, actually. The idea that somehow all these numbers are wrong and it was massively over exaggerated. And he wasn't such a bad guy. And, you know, thank you. It's all anti-communist propaganda. And you are brainwashed. Yeah, I've got. Isn't I'm not brainwashed. But I'm not a massive fan of communism. That's for sure. Yeah. And that your person. Yeah, your position. Your position. Your stand to detects your point of view of China. And you take because of that, you would accept anything that is bad about China. It wouldn't accept things that are good about China. Not at all. I actually went to China. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I went to China. Unlike Vita, I have been to China. I went and spent three weeks in Shanghai about 12, 13 years ago. I did a documentary about Shanghai. And I found it to be an extremely dynamic and interesting place. I don't intrinsically have a hatred of all things Chinese. I can appreciate how successful China has been in many different ways. And I met a lot of Chinese people who's company I thoroughly enjoy. It's I'm not anti-Chinese. But when you try and attempt to downplay the enormity of Mao's crimes and the appalling impact he had on tens of millions of particularly Chinese peasants. I'm afraid you lose me with this. the argument. But look, we are going to have to leave it there. I do appreciate you coming on. And you know what? We can do this again. We can have a longer debate about China and other China and we'll get. I'd love to do that. Okay. Well then, consider yourself booked for another debate. But thank you to both you and Victor. I appreciate it. We will fight an apple podcast and in return we will continue our mission to inform, irritate and entertain. And we'll do it all for free. Independent, uncensored media has never been more critical and we couldn't do it without you.