The host of a televised legal analysis breaks down the Tyler Robinson case, focusing on procedural and evidentiary issues revealed during a preliminary hearing. He emphasizes the lack of concrete evidence supporting the prosecution’s claims, such as the alleged use of a screwdriver to assemble a gun or the presence of a firearm concealed in Robinson’s pants. The defense is noted for not offering specific evidence of Robinson reacting to Charlie Kirk’s controversial statements, instead making broad claims about political or social hostility that lack specificity. The host criticizes both sides for speculative assertions, arguing that the prosecution’s narrative relies on unverified inferences and that the defense’s arguments, though cautious, still contain misleading framing. A central point is the absence of a grand jury in this case, which the host explains is a constitutional requirement for federal felonies but is not universal across states, with Utah opting for a preliminary hearing. This hearing, though adversarial and transparent, creates a public transcript that locks witnesses into their testimony, offering potential for impeachment at trial. The host also raises serious concerns about a petition to remove Erica Kirk from leadership of TurnPoint USA, expressing deep unease about its origin and implications. Ultimately, the analysis underscores how criminal proceedings are shaped by public scrutiny, political narratives, and the tension between procedural fairness and speculative claims. The host insists that while the case lacks definitive proof, the procedural inconsistencies and overreaching statements warrant critical scrutiny before a trial proceeds.
all right guys welcome in uh welcome in welcome in i hope everybody has had a fine day standing
still watching the tv all day uh your humble host did that of course uh we got a lot to talk about
we had a preliminary hearing summation today and we got a surprise plea at the end of the day i
wasn't expecting that if i'm being honest um but uh no surprise as to the content of the plea go
ahead and hit the like button if you uh so you don't forget now i mean just assume you're gonna
like the content go ahead and hit the like button um but yeah no we got a surprise plea i was not
expecting that i was not expecting that i figured the um the prosecution would um or the defense
would request a few days to think everything over but they didn't they just snap not guilty and at
first i thought oh that seems like a mistake um but then i started thinking i've never tried a
case this public maybe it's an opportunity to steal a few headlines right now everybody's
going to be running with uh or you would expect everybody to be running with judge finds probable
cause now maybe you'll get a headline or two
that says tyler robinson pleads not guilty maybe throw that into the mix i don't i don't really know
the strategy for it um they certainly didn't consult your humble host though though i'm gonna
be honest there were a few lines today i'm not gonna highlight them because i don't want to call
anyone out it's hot in my house so if i'm sweating i apologize um i don't want to uh to call anybody
out but there were a few lines today that made me think at least the defense lawyers are watching
some podcasts maybe not only your humble host maybe uh candace as well and others i heard a few
lines today that i think came directly from shows i've been watching uh and maybe even shows i've
conducted i was a little surprised i was a little surprised for being honest we're going to go
through the preliminary hearing i have an opening for you uh the number one question i've gotten
during this entire preliminary process is why didn't they use a grand jury i thought the u.s
constitution required a grand jury so i'm going to answer that question today it's as good a day
as it gets it's a day where if you release news it might get buried and i don't want it to get buried
candace owens played some pretty devastating footage today i don't want this to get lost in
the shuffle uh maybe not the the great it's it's a day where if you release news it might get buried
and i don't want it to get buried candace owens played some pretty devastating footage today i
don't want this to get lost in the shuffle i don't want this to get lost in the shuffle
i don't want people to lose sight of that in the in all this preliminary hearing uh mumbo jumbo
that's happened candace owens played today some shocking footage that demonstrates i think two
things one is butch hibbs was not there to meet charlie kirk in my opinion my opinion is just an
opinion don't sue butch don't sue butch i hate we have to say this every time we speculate i don't
think butch hibbs is any longer can be considered there in good faith uh what she played today was
so shockingly disgusting um i am frankly beside myself i don't think that's a good thing i don't
myself uh i place him down in the uh toilet tier with terrell farnsworth at this point in terms of
shockingly disgusting acts in the immediate aftermath of charlie kirks uh being taken down
so that's number one is he is now a toilet monger to me he's a he's a sewer dweller in my opinion
uh so that's number one but number two well there's really three points of it number two
it showed she has a lot of footage stocked away i don't know what else she has but there's no way
she's dropping these little drip drips of footage and that's all she has and if she's if you go back
and listen to questions she's specifically asking she asked one today who's the guy in the blue
shirt and the pink hat she's asked other questions where did blake go in the immediate aftermath
she's asked other questions something tells me she's acting a little attorney like that she's
asking questions to which she knows the answer um so i want to look at that footage today because
for the third point of that footage uh number one she must have a lot of footage number two
uh uh butch hibbs is is a a swamp creature in my opinion as a result of this footage the footage
is so shocking it shocked my conscience then it's hard to shock my conscience your humble host has
seen and been through a lot if i get my conscience shocked something has gone wild wild uh and it did
it shocked my conscience uh and then the third point is i noticed and she didn't point this out
she only had the circle or the arrow or whatever on butch hibbs but i saw a few other people in
this video footage and i want to point them out
now i want to ask the question are they acting right were these people acting right in the
immediate aftermath we're talking maybe five seconds three seconds five seconds after charlie
kirk gets taken down before the body is carried to the suv i want to take a look at this video
footage i want to watch it carefully and i want to point particular people out that i recognized in
this footage and i want to ask you what the hell are these people doing what the hell are these
people doing maybe they're not the same people they're not the same people they're not the same
they're not the same people they're not the same people they're not the same people
maybe we'll speculate on some other things uh relative to that footage so stay tuned this
will be a good one and finally there's a petition out there's a petition to remove erica kirk um as
the head of tpsa and i'm very very very concerned with this petition um i have had this really gross
feeling in my and it just deepened my soul relative to erica kirk i i i worry i worry about
erica kirk as much as i worry about tyler robinson genuinely um and this petition sent a chill down
my spine because of who sponsored the petition and what particularly it's asking for and i want
to explain why that is uh and and this may be a little sympathetic to erica if i'm being honest
today uh the third part of the show today it might be a little sympathetic but i think it's going to
be necessary um because i may be i may be trying to figure out who killed charlie kirk how and why
i may be concerned about some of the
actions and actors in and associated with um turning point usa but at my heart i'm i'm a human
and i'm a lover of other humans and i don't want to see anybody harmed and i have just this sick
sick feeling that i've pieced something together and i just have to say it out loud
because sometimes um the best way to disrupt a plan is just to call it as you see it and i'm
sorry i have to call this one out uh i have no
notes on this. This is going to be from the top of the head when I get there. I really wanted it to
be from the heart. I didn't want to script anything out. I, you know, a lot of times when I cover a
story, I'll bullet point out some phrases I want to get out or some turns of phrase or some
expressions or the order in which I want to cover it. I don't want to do that for this one. I have
one single line on my notes for this whole section. And all it says is petition to remove Erica or
something like that. What does it say? Uh, it says Z Cohen's put change petition. That's all it says.
And if you are a TP USA adjacent person, you're going to want to hear this.
If you are a person who's remotely concerned with, um, violence or, or bad behavior in this
case, spiraling out of control and affecting other people, you're going to want to hear this.
And if you're one of those people that thinks I just hate Erica Kirk and I despise her and I want
bad things to happen to her, you're going to want to hear this as well, because it's not true.
It's absolutely not true. And I am so concerned about this petition and I'm going to stack it up
with a couple of other unreleased unrelated pieces of news. And I think it puts together a pretty
cogent story that, that has me very, very sleepless on this issue. Very, very sleepless on this issue,
but I want to get into this stuff. I want to get into this stuff. Where did I put my opening?
I want to break into this opening because you know, one of the things we do is here,
we, we help each other learn. That's one of the, it's a high IQ outfit. Ladies and gentlemen,
I don't just say that. I mean that we are elevating the discussion. We
are helping people's lives improve day by day. And part of that is, um, you, you, you get knowledgeable
on things that other people just don't know. I call it cocktail party knowledge. Frankly,
a lot of this stuff we talk about is cocktail party knowledge. It is helpful. It is helpful,
but sometimes, um, at a cocktail party, someone will say, why do we have grand juries? And why
does the constitution require it? But, but Tyler Robinson didn't get one. You say, oh, well, let me
tell you. And that's what this opening's about. A lot of lawyers, uh, non, a lot of non-lawyers and
even lawyers who, who practice in fields other than criminal law, they learn a lot about criminal law
from high profile televised court cases. A lot of us felt that way with OJ Simpson and some of
the other court cases along the way. We saw how evidence was introduced. We saw how juries are
selected. We saw the problems that juries have right now. A lot of people are experiencing that
when, uh, the jury came back today in the Lindsay Clancy case and said, we can't reach a verdict.
The judge said, I don't care. Get back in there and figure it out. Um, uh, off topic, I will say,
if I was the judge, I would not let them hang that jury. I would say, I'm going to lock you up.
I'm going to put you away for six months. If you can't come to a jury verdict, somebody we're not
doing this trial again, somebody's going to either be innocent or guilty. We're getting this out of
the way. I digress. I digress. The Tyler Robinson case is a good example because one of the things
about criminal procedure, uh, people are learning in this case is the use of the preliminary hearing
instead of the grand jury. So we have to answer the question. What is a grand jury? What, when are
they required and why aren't they required for every crime in every state? So we have to go all
the way back in history to figure out where grand juries came from the first place. And they came
out of English, local inquests. They still have inquests in England. We don't have them here.
Um, well, we don't have them in the way they have them there, but this is kind of a common
origin story. And it traces this direct ancestor of grand juries, these local inquests all the way
back to Henry the second, he gave a pronouncement in 1166 and it required quote, good and lawful,
men in each locality to name suspects, to, to rat on their neighbors, robbery, murder, theft,
you know, big crimes, big crimes. It was a way to kind of clean up the community.
If you had somebody out there stealing from people, uh,
group of good and lawful men could get together and say he's a stealer yeah lock him up and at
first these groups were sort of tools of the king they weren't paid they were neighbors they were
sort of pressed into service and they helped the king identify offenders and they helped collect
revenues that flowed from the criminal processes so if there was money recovered from a crime it
could be returned back to that that inquest group over the centuries this accusing body became known
as the grand inquest a few hundred years later it was still in service and it was actually larger
than a trial jury it was 23 men rather than the 12 who would who would determine guilt or innocence
it also allowed a majority to return an accusation rather than unanimity so if if seven of the 12
determined somebody was was you know probably guilty of a crime they could they could return
that it didn't require the unanimity that
a trial jury required and there were two kinds of chargings that sort of came out of this one
was called a presentment and the other was an indictment and they were different but they were
the same a presentment was something the jurors brought on their own they would investigate they
would have knowledge of something they would get together they would put together um the charge
or charges and they would present it to the government the other was the indictment and
the indictment was a charge the government asked them to improve approve the government come and
say this guy's a uh a murderer we want you to indict him and so by the 17th century english
lawyers had sort of treated indictment by neighbors as part of the law of the land and law of the land
was an important phrase in england because it's associated with the magna carta meaning it came
from their foundational document their foundational legal document kind of what like an early runner
to sort of like our constitution well when english settlers arrived in north america they brought this
institution with them so for example in massachusetts they actually impaneled a grand
jury all the way back in 1635 they wouldn't become a state for another hundred and something years
150 plus years virginia held sessions even earlier so colonial governments began requiring these
bodies and they began requiring them as a prerequisite in all criminal cases this is before
independence this is before 1776 this is before paul revere you know but it was a shield function
as much as a
a sword function i always i always put things in uh sealed and shield and sword right when you're
doing research on somebody you have to decide is this research a shield or a sword meaning
am i going to protect myself with this research if somebody comes after me or am i going to attack
them with it well that's kind of the way the early grand juries worked grand juries refused
to indict people that was a shield that was saying hey that's government overreach this guy's not
this guy there's no way he did this crime so there was a an early printer i guess uh
his name was john peter zinger and he was being charged with seditious libel and the jury refused
to indict him they said no uh in boston they were declined to indict the stamp act protesters
and those those episodes taught colonists that a local panel could stall an otherwise unpopular
prosecution even when the evidence looked pretty good and it's for that reason among others that
people immediately began to notice that the evidence looked pretty good and it's for that
the evidence looked pretty good and it's for that reason among others that people immediately began to notice
when the constitution of 1787 our united states constitution came out and it did not have a
grand jury guarantee so a few years later the bill of rights comes and the fifth amendment included
a grand jury requirement for all federal prosecutions that was 1791 the fifth amendment
is very explicit i'll read the text of it right here no person shall be held to answer for a
capital or otherwise infamous crime unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury
but that kind of said big crimes infamous crimes capital crimes we've sort of read in over the
years that infamous crime means felonies felonies are generally considered offenses punishable by
more than a year in prison federal misdemeanors can still be charged by information prosecution
just files a request hands it to the judge the judge signs off on it the defendant can waive
the indictment for a non-capital felony but the default is that the defendant can waive the
indictment for a non-capital felony but the defendant can waive the indictment for a non-capital felony but the
the defendant can waive the indictment for a non-capital felony but the the default in federal felony prosecution is a grand jury so the founders put that gate out in front of federal power and they did it for a reason they feared this distant national prosecutor sitting at the nation's capital reaching out into the local community and overrunning some community that got sideways with all you didn't vote for me we're going to arrest everybody so the panel of ordinary citizens drawn from that community was supposed to kind of stand between the powerful federal government and the little bitty accused farmer in west virginia
and the little bitty accused farmer in west virginia somewhere
courts still describe this federal grand jury process as a sword and a shield again as a sword it investigates it can subpoena witnesses it can sit in secret it can get records it can ask questions and it can develop evidence in quiet before anyone's arrested but as a shield it has to find probable cause before the united states government can put a person on trial at least for felony the supreme court has said the grand jury belongs to no branch
of the institutional government meaning the judicial branch the judge summons a grand jury the prosecutor presents evidence but neither owns the decision it's the people themselves sitting on the grand jury 12 people have to return an indictment and the grand jury can range from 16 to 23 people so it can be just over a majority 12 of 23 or it can be 12 of 16 you know three quarters and this practice though the shield and sword the shield is rarely used it's almost always
a sword proceedings are one-sided they um they target someone who has no right to show up cross-examine hearsays allowed and historically federal grand juries have returned true bills in almost every case but before them very very seldom do they decline to find probable cause in fact it happens so often people call it a rubber stamp but the constitutional design remains the federal government can't start a felony trial at a prosecutor's whim they can't do it by signature
alone so federal courts still require these grand juries for felonies the claw the clause is written too clearly for any court to interpret it away and both prosecution agencies and defense interests have all come together and begged the federal government to do away with grand juries and they can't do it the the constitution is too clear you'd have to amend the constitution so the original 10 amendments we call the bill of right here i know not all of you are american watching but in the united states we have 10 amendments the original
10 amendments the united states constitution is originally supposed to be 12 the first two didn't get ratified but the 10 that got ratified we call the bill of rights and they originally only applied to the federal government states were sort of immune from the federal constitution but after the 14th amendment was adopted and it was adopted right after the civil war the supreme court began applying the due process clause that's contained in the 14th amendment down to all the criminal procedure guarantees and they were they were applying it to the states but they did
didn't do it with the grand jury clause probably because people didn't like grand juries by and large people don't like grand juries neither prosecutors nor defense really like them uh in hurtado versus california this is a supreme court decision back in 1884 and it's still good law all the way back in 1884 california charged this guy named hurtado and they charged him with murder by information meaning the prosecutor just signed a a note and the judge the judge sort of called a trial and they they convicted him and they sentenced him to death and he argued that
due process required a grand jury indictment the supreme court took up the case and disagreed it was a 7-1 decision the court said due process demands a fair method for bringing a person to trial but it doesn't require a grand jury it doesn't require i think the words they use were the particular english form so a magistrate's hearing with counsel and cross-examination can satisfy uh there have been a lot of cases challenging this and the supreme court every time upholds this original
1884 ruling the grand jury right is one of the very few bill of rights protections that have never been incorporated against the states so you end up with this patchwork you have this patchwork of different processes you've got all these different procedures over all the 50 states and all the other jurisdictions the united states about half the states require a grand jury indictment for at least serious felonies uh some states make the grand jury optional connecticut and pennsylvania have abolished grand jury
for ordinary ordinary criminal cases but states that retain grand juries often use different sizes maybe they have a different term or they have a different voting system that that differs from the federal system that that the constitution sort of requires so the courts have said the constitution requires it just doesn't dictate the constitution doesn't dictate how a state charges a felony it just doesn't that's why a person can be tried for murder in one state after a you know a
secret citizen vote and in another state you're going to have a public hearing before a judge like we've wrapped up today in the tyler robinson case but these are three criminal legal procedures but they all answer the same question is there probable cause to hold someone for trial against their will it just accomplishes that goal by different routes a grand jury indictment is a formal accusation it's returned by citizens it's secret it's non-adversarial prosecutor gets to choose all the evidence
The defendant typically is not there.
If you get enough jurors,
that vote a true bill, the indictment becomes the charging document.
And in a lot of systems, it replaces the need
for any type of preliminary hearing.
I guess on the corollary, a no bill sort of stops that path.
It's not jeopardy. It doesn't trigger double jeopardy.
The state could bring another grand jury
and try to prosecute them in a different venue or for different crimes.
But grand juries investigate, man.
They issue subpoenas. They sit for months.
They often hear a lot of cases, not just one.
So that's sort of grand juries. Informations are different.
The information is my least favorite of all these.
This is just a charging document signed by a prosecutor
rather than a grand jury.
In federal court, it's how you normally do misdemeanors.
But in a lot of states, it's the ordinary method even for felonies.
And some states don't even really require a judge
to have much of a finding at all.
Maybe just sort of sign off that they think it meets probable cause.
So legally, an information and an indictment serve the same function
in that they tell the judge,
they tell the defendant the charge,
and they authorize the case to move forward.
But the difference is who screened the accusation.
Was it a panel of their peers?
Was it members of the community?
Or was it just a single prosecutor and maybe a judge signing off on it?
And then you have the third,
which is what we saw here with Tyler Robinson.
Not a grand jury, not an information,
but you have a preliminary hearing.
A preliminary hearing happens in open court.
It's an adversarial process.
It takes place before a magistrate,
sometimes a judge sitting as the magistrate.
The defendant is there. He's present.
He has a right to be there.
He has a right to have an attorney present with him.
They can cross-examine the state's witnesses
and even in some limited circumstances
can call its own witnesses and present its own evidence.
Not every instance, but some.
Evidence rules are pretty relaxed.
You don't necessarily have to comply
with the criminal rules of evidence
that the state has adopted.
But the hearing is still somewhat of a contest.
It's not a lecture.
It's not just the prosecution rattling off a bunch of facts
and the judge determining whether or not that's enough.
No, the defense gets to participate.
They get to actively participate.
They get to file motions.
They get to be heard.
But if the judge finds probable cause,
the prosecutor still files an information.
The complaint can be dismissed,
but again, it's rare.
It almost never happens.
It's like a grand jury in the sense that it's almost a rubber stamp.
The hearing also creates a transcript.
This is a big advantage in preliminary hearings
in that we have a public transcript.
Grand juries often don't have,
public transcripts.
Some limited circumstances,
you can invade the grand jury and grab that transcript,
but very limited, very limited.
I've actually tried to do that in the past and failed.
And the public hearing and the public transcript
sort of locks people into their testimony.
So we heard from Lance Twiggs, for example.
He wasn't cross-examined, but he is locked into a story.
His story cannot change at trial without being impeached.
The police officers, Bagley and Hull and all the other ones,
they are locked.
They are locked into that testimony.
And I will tell you,
I don't think their testimony was precisely accurate.
And that's going to cause a real headache at trial
because the defense is now going to be able to impeach them
with their own words.
But this early testing is exactly what a grand jury
and an information denies.
That's why prosecutors often prefer a grand jury
if you have a vulnerable witness
or if you have particularly intense public scrutiny
or if they just don't want to preview their case.
Defendants usually prefer preliminary hearings.
Preliminary hearings for exactly the opposite reason.
You have a participatory role.
But what all three of these mechanisms have in common,
whether it's a grand jury, an information,
or a preliminary hearing,
they're only required to meet a very low standard.
They're determining whether the government
has probable cause to move to trial.
They're not looking for proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
None of them decides guilt or innocence.
They differ only in things like publicity
or the right for the defense to participate,
perhaps the investigative power,
and even who holds the ultimate pen to decide the answer
about whether the defendant has to go to trial.
And so federal felonies, yes,
Constitution requires a grand jury.
Some states also require a grand jury.
But American law sort of treats it as an inheritance,
as a template, but it's not a universal requirement,
which is why we got what we got in Utah.
We got a preliminary hearing.
Which a lot of people are not accustomed to.
So I hope that helps you sort of understand the difference,
understand what you saw July 6th through 10th
at the preliminary hearing,
what you saw in the different motions where the,
or excuse me, the different pleadings,
where the prosecution and the defense
were both sort of offering a summation,
and then today's oral summation,
and ultimately the judge's ruling.
You got to see a preliminary hearing at work.
And it was pretty instructive.
Like I said, a lot of people learn,
criminal law.
Unfortunately, a lot of people learn criminal law
from CSI Miami and NYPD Blue
or whatever the famous cop shows are now.
I don't watch TV anymore,
so I have no idea what the famous TV shows are these days.
I'm thinking 90s TV.
A lot of people learn criminal law from that.
That's why everybody in America,
even like a seven-year-old can repeat,
you got, you know,
they'll play cops and robbers in the backyard.
And they're like, you have a right to remain silent.
I'm like, how do you know that?
How do you know that you have a right to remain silent
under the Fifth and Sixth Amendment?
How do you know that?
You don't know that.
But they do because they've seen it on TV.
You have a right to remain silent.
You have a right to an attorney.
If you can't afford one,
one will be appointed for you.
So forth and so on.
This is where a lot of people learn criminal procedure.
But if you want to take it up a notch,
you can observe some of these televised court appearances
on court TV or your humble hosts show
or Trigger Smart had a good one today.
He had Nissi and Cassia.
And Nate on that was a good program.
Zach Costello covered it.
Coach covered it for a little while.
There was a lot of good coverage today of the,
I think Basie was a dank.
Danks was covering it for a little while.
So everybody had sort of a,
their own spin on what was going on today.
What I do,
what I want to do is sort of summarize a little bit.
I want to summarize a little bit of what we saw because it's,
it's interesting.
It's interesting.
First thing I want to show you is,
I want to show you a little bit of what we saw because it's,
it's interesting.
It's interesting.
First thing I want to show you is,
first thing I want to show you is who showed up early.
Now you remember,
you remember at the preliminary hearing,
Erica Kirk brought a bunch of people.
The way this works is the defense gets a few people and the,
the victim gets a few people.
Sometimes it's like 10,
sometimes it's 12,
sometimes it's 15.
I'm not sure how they decide the number of people.
I don't really care,
but today apparently each side was able to bring 12.
I don't know if they brought all 12 people,
but among the people showing up today was a newbie.
We have a newbie on,
the loose this from diligent Denison.
He captured this this morning while he was there.
Check out this.
You have Andrew Colvette there.
There's Taylor Hansen,
I think in the background,
if I recognize him,
I think that's him.
But you have Andrew Colvette here walking in.
He's carrying a bag.
Notice his suit fits.
This is different from the Andrew Colvette.
We saw in it in Athens,
Georgia when he interviewed vice president Vance at the last second,
he's wearing a suit.
It actually fits his shirt looks appropriate.
It fits his neck.
This looks like he intended to be there today.
Unlike what we saw in Athens.
So Andrew Colvette shows up.
Look, it's Tracy Martin.
No Botox there girl for four different facelifts,
I think, but no Botox,
no Botox.
You don't believe me.
Just look at her Instagram.
She'll tell you there's no Botox.
So they roll in early.
I don't know who that guy is.
I tried to figure that one out.
I don't know if anyone knows who that is,
but he came in with them.
And again,
I guess,
I guess Taylor Hanson was there in a,
I know he lives in Utah.
I guess he was there in sort of a media capacity.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But so we had a different mix of people.
We had a different mix of people today than we've seen in the past.
Gone are the influencers.
Nobody likes Johnson.
No, he's not there today.
Who else was that?
Officer Tater tot not present and accounted for.
No, no, no.
Why?
Because I think they knew the outcome.
I think they knew the outcome.
I knew the outcome.
I told you the outcome weeks ago.
They were going to bind it over trial.
There's no, no shock to me here.
So we had a different mix of people show up today.
Jack Posobiec agent POSO double secret agent POSO in his red convertible Ferrari.
He was not there.
He was not there.
We have Stacy Sheridan shows up and you will notice something.
Ladies and gentlemen, when I show you Stacy Sheridan, you'll notice something.
You remember when she showed up last time, right?
Well, I don't have to tell you.
You remember.
Well, I'll go ahead and tell you.
She brought her girls with her.
Not today.
Ladies and gentlemen.
No, no, no.
Just far more appropriately.
Because if you got to go to court, you got to bring your fundraiser, right?
So Stacy Sheridan shows up.
This is from Brandi Siciliani, who was also there, who was filming in vertical mode instead
of horizontal mode for some reason.
Brandi, where is she?
There she is.
There she is, girl.
There she is.
Look, covered up.
Thank you, Stacy.
Thank you.
This is far more appropriate court attire than a tube top.
Far more appropriate than a tube top.
Still looks like she's going to see the manager.
Now there is Charlie's dad.
There's Charlie's mom.
And there is James Caddis.
Now I learned something today.
I always assumed he was disabled because he rides this little raspberry scooter.
or whatever it's called, what do they call it?
rascal he rides his little rascal around everywhere i assumed he was disabled and
couldn't walk i was watching kansas today i think she said he's just morbidly obese
now pastor surely you've read the part of the bible where it talks about gluttony
and compares it to prostitution oh this is not a bible class i'll stop it i'll stop it
i'll stop it but i you know it's in there it's in there pastor um james caddis pastor james
caddis now he's the co-host of the bible 365 podcast so he was there um andrew colvette the
pr person for tpsa stacy sheridan because why would you go to a court hearing without your
fundraiser everybody's there everybody's there now we got an interesting tidbit today i wondered
if the state
was going to address this because of how misrepresented they were by all of the
fed sloppers all of the fed sloppers ran after the filing see candy colt baron conman callman
these guys are telling you that that he didn't send those text messages and there they are
admitting they're his text messages there is the defense admitting tyler robinson fired the fatal
round they're only arguing about the aggravating factors well not exactly not exactly
ladies and gentlemen because we did hear from the defense today i was hoping we would and we did
and we did here is a little preview of what the defense had to say about the
allegations evidence of course um these are not concessions of facts this is the evidence that's
before the court we do understand we're in a probable cause hearing we understand what the
standard is we understand the law um we're all on the same page about that there well
not all of us because if you are blake neff or gary melton or andrew colvette or any one of the
other fed sloppers you ran crazy over the last week or so or month or so where you couldn't post
enough that the defense doesn't challenge any of these facts they're admitting he did it well no
they're not they're these are not concessions they should have put that in their brief
they should have put it in their brief there was a huge error they could have easily put it in
their brief and it would have avoided all the headlines and all the social media and all the
media chatter but there it is right there clean and clear they are not conceding any facts the
defense is not conceding any facts the defense is merely arguing the evidence as presented by
the prosecution so therefore ladies and gentlemen you are free to disregard anything the rest of
those people say they're liars we told you the truth they lied to you so i will give you a jury
instruction if you find a witness has been less than forthcoming i'll give you a jury instruction
on any relevant fact to this case you are free to disregard everything that witness has said
there you go ladies and gentlemen that's it you're free to disregard everything they said
because they knew that that was the case and they went with it anyway and i do want to address
briefly um the error that i made in the briefing about uh crystal ball and uh not citing the
additional law that came after it i'm playing this for a particular reason
if you make a mistake you own it you don't ignore it you don't paper over it you don't act like you
were really right she just admitted it you know then i'll tell you what this was there was a a p
if you watch this show after the last prosecution filing i don't know a couple of weeks ago
i pointed out that uh-oh i think i agree with the prosecution i did a little tiny bit of research
i'm not a utah lawyer i don't know all utah law top to bottom but i did a little bit of research
i did a little research and i thought oh i think the prosecution's right here i think the defense
has misrepresented the law relative to speculation and inference i i tended to agree with the
prosecution there and i said as much because i'm an honest actor and i will tell you the truth as
i see it well i wondered if the defense was ever going to address this and they did they addressed
it right here she said i want to own up to the mistake i made in other words i included that
line i put that section in our brief and it was wrong and she's owning up to it
i do want to provide a little context to the court about that uh case in particular that is cited by
other cases it's really just that one sentence that was overruled and i absolutely should have
put that into the brief and i apologize to the court for that mistake that's how you do it ladies
and gentlemen that's how you do it um guess what people make mistakes we don't judge people by their
own up to it make amends confess i did it i'm sorry it happened in this situation it was a very
public mistake so you have to apologize very publicly um if it had been a private mistake
if this was an off the record conversation between the prosecution and the defense and
she had misrepresented some action law which frankly i think is inappropriate also um i think
she would have owed the apology only to the prosecution she wouldn't have had to state it
publicly on the record
but they screwed up they screwed up people screw up it happens uh case law is complex it's hard
it's it's not as easy as you know uh looking up a dictionary definition of a word so if you
are going to find the law that you have represented is actually not true just tell the judge
hey i screwed up i made a huge mistake judge i shouldn't have done that and i'll give you a
point when i'm wrong i say i'm wrong that's from dirty dancing that's from dirty dancing now we've
got an interesting new fact that we got an interesting new fact you're gonna love this
you're gonna love this um i actually i want to show you something i want to show you something
uh i think this is the better way to demonstrate it there's something called the fosbury flop
it was invented as a means of high jumping uh-oh
i screwed up what did i do there we go oh where'd i go oh here we go the fosbury flop
all right this was a high jump technique invented in the
oh i'm gonna have to silence actually you know what let me let me find one that's not from
hey here we go this would be perfect so in 1968 prior to 1968 in the olympics if you went in to
do the high jump you jumped over like this and you're like oh i'm gonna have to do the high jump
like a hurdle like you you jumped over like a hurdle and it was to see basically who could
hurdle the highest there's a guy named bob fosbury and he invented a way to get over the high jump
by simply flopping over it this is a may it's amazing feat we we see it now and we recognize
it but this is the introduction of the fosbury flop i'll speed it up a little bit here we don't
need to watch a minute and a half of this oh i missed it there we go watch watch him run here
and this is important this is very important to what we're going to study today so here
he runs and watch he flops that's a fosbury flop
you run facing the obstacle you contort your body
around the obstacle and you flop over it backwards and you land on your back
why am i talking about the fosbury flop well ladies and gentlemen you'll never guess how
the alleged assassin was believed to have gotten over the gate with a gun in his pants by the way
by the way with a gun in his pants check this out the fosbury flop ladies and gentlemen
through that tunnel and then going up the stairs we know that he then made his way and
he's recorded on camera making his way up to the low c center roof where he comes to
the railing does a fosbury flop over the railing and is out of the camera does anyone believe
that's how he got over the railing a fosbury flop you're telling me he ran at full speed
turned his back to the railing jumped over it backwards with his hind end and his back
over the railing and landed on his back on the other side no come on stop it i refuse to believe
it sir you're not telling the truth notice something here notice his his screen in front of
him see this screen in front of him here look at that incredibly high quality trigger smart
noticed this today when i was watching his show earlier incredibly high quality
now this might actually be 4k incredibly high quality footage but watch as he discusses
the flop shirt long pants to obscure the rifle he had concealed down his pants um and he
made his way through campus the same route of ingress into campus that he had taken during
his second scouting mission coming through the north parking lot so notice he's showing
him everything he's describing he's putting on camera for those in the courtroom he's
talking about him entering campus during his ingress phase he ingresses on the campus we've
got a picture of him coming on the campus he talks about him walking through the parking garage we get
a video of him walking or a picture a still frame of the video of him walking through the parking
garage just keep watching making his way through that tunnel and then now we see him in the
stairwell we have an image on his screen of him in the stairwell going up the stairs
we know that he now we lose the camera footage
my man i want to see the fosbury flop i want to see the flop you you promised me a flop old man
I want to see him flop.
No, I'm raising an important point.
It's not about the flop.
The important point I'm raising is they are not showing the footage of him
getting onto the roof, getting over the railing, and assembling the gun.
Now, we're promised it exists.
We're promised it exists.
But watch.
And made his way, and he's recorded on camera.
Recorded on camera.
Well, why can't I see this recorded on camera event develop?
Way up to the low-sea center.
He's on the low-sea center roof.
Why do I not have an image of him walking up the stairs to the low-sea center roof?
Is it the same guy?
In other words, I'm supposed to believe that this guy that I was watching
walk through this parking lot is the same guy on the roof,
but you're unwilling to show me footage or images of him getting into position,
getting up there on the roof?
We just lose him from camera?
The roof where he comes to the railing,
does a Fosbury flop over the railing.
I'm holding him to that.
I'm holding him to the Fosbury flop.
You remember when the defense screwed up
and they cited the wrong case law,
or they said some case law was controlling and it actually wasn't.
She came in and said, hey, I promised you that that was correct.
I misrepresented the law to the court, and I apologize.
Here's the limited circumstance in which I will accept that I was wrong.
Everything else I stick with, standby.
Is this goofy fella here?
Is he going to stand up and say, well, it wasn't really a Fosbury flop?
I said that for exaggeration.
Or are we going to see a Fosbury flop?
I doubt it.
I doubt it.
He's an acrobat.
Not only can he jump off of 16-foot buildings without getting injured,
that squirmy little guy that you see,
in all those images, Tyler,
is apparently a hell of an athlete.
I don't know.
I mean, I know he got an academic scholarship to Utah State.
I don't know why he didn't get an athletic scholarship.
Fosbury flopping over here,
leaping off of tall buildings over there.
He sounds amazing.
He sounds amazing.
Now, there was an interesting exchange about the gun.
The defense, I mean, the prosecution made a lot of representations
about things that were not borne out by the evidence.
Here's an example of that.
Relative to the gun,
listen to the defense complaining about the prosecution's presentation of the evidence.
The state didn't show, actually, how that would happen with the screwdriver.
The rifle wasn't even here.
This is just speculation.
But on top of that speculation,
the state is also asking the court to speculate that
with this configuration of gun,
that would impact the reliability of the shot,
the accuracy of the shot,
and then speculate that this individual, the shooter, knew about that.
These are not inferences.
This is speculation.
This is a prime example of speculation.
I don't know if you could hear that.
It was only coming out of one of my ears.
So, in short, what she's saying is
they're making all these representations about the gun that they've not proven.
They didn't even put it in evidence.
It's not even that they have to prove it.
They have to at least put some kind of evidence on.
You have to, you know, it's a low bar, but it is a bar.
You know, it's not like you could just walk in and start saying stuff,
but that's what they did.
In a lot of instances, that's just what they did.
They assumed that this screwdriver played some kind of a role,
but they put no evidence on.
Did we ever see the screwdriver?
Are we to believe that the screwdriver was the type of screwdriver
that would work the screws or bolts of the gun?
I saw no evidence of that.
Were we shown how the gun is taken apart using one of these screwdrivers,
and is this screwdriver sufficient to even accomplish that objective?
I saw no evidence about that.
We're just supposed to believe them.
Hey, there was a screwdriver.
He must have used it to assemble the gun.
I'm not sure.
That's a real story.
That's a reasonable inference.
I'm not to believe that is a reasonable inference.
Then they go on to presume as a matter of fact
that the gun is actually in his pocket or in his pants.
Now, I'm going to show you something here
because I don't think this is the case.
I notice this is also just coming out of one ear,
so if this is hard to hear, I apologize.
Hopefully, this goes out well.
But I would never play it without putting it on the screen.
Come on.
What do you think I am?
Some kind of amateur?
That would never happen.
Just because the sound isn't good doesn't mean I would hide it from you.
Come on.
Let me start it from the beginning where I was intending to start it.
And there's a note on the slides before those exhibits.
Thank you.
The defendant then returned at 1154 a.m. this time dressed to kill.
Black shirt, long pants to obscure the rifle he had concealed down his pants.
And he made his way through campus the same route of ingress into campus
that he had taken during his second scouting mission.
Coming through the north parking lot, making his way.
Dressed to kill, ladies and gentlemen.
Dressed to kill with a gun down his pants.
That's what we're told.
He was dressed to kill and had a gun down his pants.
I want to show you just a little.
Steve Cameron on Twitter put this.
It's a nice little slow-mo of this guy who's dressed to kill entering campus with a gun down his pants.
Find the gun.
Everybody look for the gun.
All right.
Now, it can't be in his left leg because his left leg just bent.
Now, he was limping because of this supposed gun.
But it can't be in his left leg.
His left leg just bent.
So let's check out the right leg.
Nope.
Can't be in his right leg either.
Look how bent that right leg gets.
Look at that.
Where is the gun?
Show me the gun.
Show me the gun.
Show me the gun.
I see a cell phone right here.
We all agree that's a cell phone.
Where's the gun?
So they just presume things that they're not going to be able to get away with a trial.
A jury, as the state actually noticed, noted today, the jury is not required to check their common sense at the door.
They are more than welcome to draw common sense conclusions from everything they see.
If they look at this image and they say, well, that doesn't look like he has a gun in his pants,
then they don't have to believe there's a gun.
They don't have to believe there's a gun in his pants.
What if the state puts on a witness that says there's a gun in his pants and the defense does not counter with a witness of their own?
They can say, I don't believe the state.
That doesn't look like a gun.
I find that less than credible testimony.
I'm afraid to disregard it.
They don't have to believe it.
Now, I want to show you something that is getting a lot of confusion.
There's a lot of confusion about what happened here.
I want to take my shot.
I want to take my shot at clarifying this confusion.
I'll admit this was not the defense's finest moment.
But you have to put it in the context of everything that's taken place in this hearing.
The defense basically agreed with the state that Charlie Kirk was the kind of guy that said hateful things or that at least make people hate him.
Now, obviously, people are running with that.
They're saying, oh, this defense is trashing Charlie.
I hate the defense.
I'm not exactly sure.
Let me play.
Let me play this.
And then let's talk about what's actually being said.
And let's put it in the context of the case here.
There is no evidence of Mr. Robinson having heard or seen anything specific from Mr. Kirk or having expressed anything about Mr. Kirk until the statement, which basically says some hatred can't be negotiated.
So he's commenting on the.
Evidence.
He said there's no evidence that this that that Tyler Robinson knew of anything Charlie Kirk said.
And that's true.
Do you recall during those five days of preliminary hearing any evidence put forward whatsoever about specific statements that Tyler Robinson heard and acted upon anything at all?
No, no.
There was that one line in the pre confession letter, the confession letter.
That took place before where he said some hate can't be reasoned out or can't be argued with or something like that.
But that's it.
That's the only reference to any kind of hate.
And there was no specific statement that the state offered as evidence.
Of course, the defense is not going to offer it.
So he's putting this in the context of the evidence as presented in the court.
So I'm going to let him continue to play.
I want you to hear his words, but I want to put his words in that context, that context right there.
We're talking about the evidence.
The evidence the state put on during the preliminary hearing from July 6th to July 10th.
So what is it?
Is it political expression?
Which political expression?
It is.
True that Mr.
Kirk spoke hatefully.
Of certain groups of people.
He spoke hatefully.
Of people who don't have traditional.
Norm-conforming gender identities.
Now, do you remember evidence of that?
I don't.
I don't.
And again, we're supposed to use the evidence to make our arguments.
So the state is bound by their evidence.
They showed no evidence of the screwdriver, for example, other than that a screwdriver exists.
They showed no evidence of a firearm in his pants other than a firearm exists.
And they believe it got on the street.
on the roof somehow.
It must have been in his pants.
That had to be why he was limping.
There was no evidence of that.
And we're right to be critical of them when they raise those particular issues.
But I think likewise, we're right to be critical of the defense when they say,
you know, of all the evidence the state presented,
they didn't present a particular statement of hate that Tyler Robinson appreciated and acted upon.
Now, reading this in the light most favorable to the state,
or not really the parties, to Charlie Kirk fans,
what the defense lawyer just said here is pretty bad.
Because he's saying, yeah, it's true, Charlie said all these hateful things.
But if you read it in the light most favorable to that guy speaking,
what he's saying is, hey, they're saying he acted on this stuff
and these statements of Charlie Kirk.
And they're saying that
Tyler Robinson interpreted those as hateful things.
Some hate can't be reasoned out.
Therefore, we know that Charlie Kirk spoke on these issues.
And the defense, the defendant, Tyler Robinson,
must have interpreted those things as hate.
So, yes, it's true that we know there were all of these statements Charlie made.
We know Tyler Robinson interpreted those as hate.
So, yes, this hate could have been things like on traditional marriage values
or homosexuality or all these other things.
But what a clumsy way, sir, to say that.
What a clumsy, clumsy way to say that.
He spoke hatefully of people who are not strictly heterosexual.
He spoke hatefully of people who. Now, what is strictly heterosexual?
That's a phrase I've not come across in my 47 years, 46 and a half years on this planet.
I've never come across the phrase strictly heterosexual.
That's kind of like being strictly pregnant.
You either are, sir, or you are not.
You either are or you are not. have sexual relationships out of marriage.
And, yes, it is true that the evidence from Mr. Twiggs
is that he identified in a non-gender conforming way to his friends
and that he was in a romantic relationship with Mr. Robinson.
But that doesn't mean that those personal choices by Mr. Twiggs and by Mr. Robinson,
equate with the hate that at least Mr. Robinson says he had toward Mr. Perk.
So we don't know what that is.
Again, very, very clumsy presentation.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Clumsy presentation.
If I read it any other way, kind of a horrible thing to say about a man who just died.
I mean, if we're being honest, right?
You don't speak ill of the dead.
Kind of a horrible thing to say about somebody who just died.
So not exactly the defense's finest moment.
I think, you know, if that had been me and I thought about it,
instead of saying, yeah, he said all these hateful things,
I think I would have said, look, they're saying that Tyler did not like Charlie Kirk
and that he interpreted Charlie Kirk's statements as hateful.
Well, these are the types of things he spoke on that might impact Tyler Robinson.
He spoke on Trump.
He spoke on traditional marriage.
He spoke on sex outside of marriage.
He spoke on homosexuality and different issues.
It's possible that Tyler Robinson interpreted some of that as hateful.
But they didn't give us a particular statement that he was responding to.
And they didn't tell us anything in particular that Tyler Robinson said that he interpreted as hateful.
He just said some hate can't be negotiated out.
I'll keep in mind, though, that, like, I hate.
Chicken.
I don't like chicken at all.
I'll eat Mrs. Coleman's chicken if she flavors it in a way that I can't taste the chicken.
If it's just a grilled chicken breast, I'll starve to death.
No, thank you.
I would rather not.
Maybe that's the hate he's talking about.
Some hate can't be negotiated out.
He's an anti-chick-ite.
Ah, well, you know, we know he ate a Chick-fil-A.
That's the last place he ate.
He must love chicken.
He might not like me very much for saying I don't like chicken.
He might consider me an anti-chick-ite.
But is that an aggravating factor?
No.
I mean, no.
So I think the defense lawyer was on to something here.
If you're going to say that you're going to use this political or religious expression as some sort of aggravating factor,
then you need to point to a particular religious or political slogan that Tyler Robinson took issue with.
Not just generic hate.
Because hate could be anything.
He could hate video game players.
Well, that's not an aggravating factor.
Not an aggravating factor.
So anyway, just something I noticed, not the state's finest moment, not the state's finest moment.
Now, this was an interesting discussion, and not because I think it impacts the preliminary hearing.
I heard what he was saying.
But again, preliminary hearing, all inferences must be drawn in favor of the state.
This is going to be interesting for trial.
Again, keep in mind, we've now locked in our witness statements.
The witness statement here is about DNA.
DNA.
It's a very boring, dry subject, but this was actually kind of exciting.
DNA and whether or not you can attribute that DNA to Tyler Robinson.
We stay with fact all the time.
Oh, the DNA's on the roof.
The DNA's on the gun.
The DNA's on the screwdriver.
Well, I mean, is it?
The state is overreading the DNA evidence in this case when it asserts to the court that Mr. Robinson's DNA was found all over the weapon.
What mis. Oliver and Ms. Baker said was that it was a Mr. Robinson was a possible contributor to the DNA, not that he was a contributor.
So, that's interesting to me.
That's interesting.
Possible contributor versus probable versus was a contributor.
It'll be interesting to see how a jury contends with that.
Now, I've tried cases involving.
Complex scientific findings.
I've mentioned this before.
I've tried a lot of cases that had a HIV testing component.
HIV testing is very complex.
What the HIV test claim and what popular culture believes they claim are very different.
Very, very different.
I don't want to go into it here, but most people think if you go in and get an HIV test, it's going to tell you yay or nay if you have it.
That's not at all what they claim.
They create a presumption that. That a condition exists, but that presumption must be confirmed by a doctor who finds corroborative clinical symptoms.
No corroborating clinical symptoms, no HIV, despite the HIV test saying, yeah, it looks like you might have it.
Most people don't know that.
And so, you go into a jury trial and try to explain that, and they're like, no, he took a test.
That test said he's positive.
They're like, yeah, but that's not what the test says.
They're like, I don't care.
Did he take a test?
Yeah, he took a test?
Okay, then he's positive.
And that's. Yeah, and you put up on a screen in front of them, you say, but the test itself says that's not true.
And they're like, I don't care.
I know what it says.
And I think a lot of people are going to treat a DNA test that way.
Because the state took the DNA test that way.
And I think the judge interpreted the DNA test that way.
We don't care about your limitations.
We understand people just have to say stuff, you know, because we have to disclaim everything these days.
But that's not at all what the DNA test itself says.
If you go listen to the testimony again, the DNA, Ms. Oliver's DNA testimony, she basically said, I mean, it might be him.
It might be him.
So the state might be reaching a little bit on that issue.
Now, let me find what page is this?
Page 13.
Line three.
There was a little discussion today.
There was a little discussion today of whether Tyler Robinson was a decent shot.
And I thought both the, I thought the state actually undermined their own case with a little misinformation.
I'm going to go back to their filing.
One of the reasons they said that this should be a aggravated murder is because Tyler Robinson necessarily put other people's lives at risk.
And the reason he put other people's lives.
At risk is he was a pretty lousy shot.
I think today they said out of the 28 or so shots that were taken at these targets, only four actually hit the target.
That's like a one in seven.
That's not very good.
One in seven is not very good, but I'll say this.
If you're zeroing a rifle, you have no idea what those shots mean.
Now, if the rifle was zeroed and he's one in seven, then the, I think it's probably likely that you, he would not be able to hit.
Charlie Kirk on the first shot with all that pressure and adrenaline and everything.
Um, but we don't know.
I mean, when you're, when you're zeroing a rifle, you're going to miss the target a little bit.
So, but I want to, I want to go to this here real quickly because they said the evidence also demonstrates the defendant was not certain to hit only his target.
Then it loaded his rifle with four cartridges, creating a reasonable inference that he had anticipated his first shot might miss.
Moreover, evidence of defendants target practice before the shooting shows.
he did not always hit the bullseye.
Indeed, some of his shots completely missed the paper target.
Yeah, we noticed.
We noticed.
That's the first thing I noticed when they put that evidence up.
Holy mackerel, this guy can't shoot.
Even if defendant had previously calibrated his rifle in scope,
he had disassembled the rifle to transport it to the roof undetected,
then reassembled it on the rooftop using his screwdriver he left there.
Again, there's no evidence of this.
There was no evidence presented that this happened.
None.
But they state it as fact, and other people in the media state it as fact.
And I'm a little weirded out by that.
But nevertheless, they say one reasonable inference from the—oh, missed it.
One reasonable inference from the—oh, gosh.
Anyway, they say one reasonable inference is he was a lousy shot
and he might have injured someone else.
I think that's an interesting tactic from the state.
Yeah.
Yes, we're confident this was Tyler Robinson.
Nailed him on the first shot.
Also, he's a terrible shot.
He's a horrible shot.
What's the bottom line?
There were very few fireworks today.
I predicted there would be none.
He bound over all seven charges.
I predicted that.
I don't know why he would not.
Again, the preliminary stage is a very low burden.
Very, very low burden.
So all seven counts get bound.
What does that mean?
They're going to go to trial.
Or at least it's going to be scheduled for trial.
He could still plea out.
But they're going to be scheduled for trial.
You got a little taste today afterwards at the very end.
And I didn't make notes on this because this is when I was getting ready for the show.
Actually, I was taking a shower.
I was listening with an earpiece.
But we got a little taste of how this might go because there are so many lawyers.
This is such a high-profile case, and there are so many people not wanting to make a mistake.
That they were just trying to schedule the pre-trial conference.
And pre-trial conference is just a place where they're going to set out some sort of a timeline on discovery.
Maybe when motions are due, we'll set a tentative trial date.
We'll get all that stuff out of the way.
Trial dates often get kicked.
That's not necessarily saying if they set a trial date, it's going to trial.
What the trial date does is allow the judge to sort of back-order motion due dates.
Pretty standard.
It's also pretty standard.
It's standard that after you set it, it gets kicked because motions dates get missed.
Discovery dates get missed.
We end up with disputes.
We have to set a date to settle that dispute, and that pushes the trial date back.
But we got a little taste of it because for some reason, the victim representative gets up there.
The lawyer for the victim representative gets up there and like,
I demand you schedule this in two weeks.
And the judge is like, yeah, yeah, buzz off.
You can almost hear him like, stop, stop talking.
Like you do a five-year-old.
Hey, hey, hey.
And then you started hearing the actual lawyers talk, not the people playing lawyer in Utah.
The actual Utah lawyers, you started hearing them talk, the state's lawyers and the defense lawyers.
And they're like, well, one guy was like, I'm not going to be here for the next 16 days.
I can't participate in any of this discussion.
So please don't set it in the next 16 days because I will not have had an opportunity to discuss it.
Well, then the state's like, yeah, that's fine.
We'll kick it off.
How about 30 days?
Yeah, great.
So then he looks out the first date.
He had available.
And I didn't see how this ended because by that time, it was time to start the show.
But the first date I could see he had available was like late October.
This is for the pretrial.
This is the first conference.
This is before you have a trial date.
This is before you have motion due dates and discovery due dates.
It was late October.
Guys, it's September 1st.
You're looking six or seven weeks.
If that's the date they end up settling on.
And that's a date that may not hold.
Keep that in mind.
You got a lot of lawyers involved here.
Three or four for the state.
I think three for the defense, maybe four for the defense.
So it'll be interesting.
Yeah.
Daisy says here, October 23rd, 1 p.m.
Mountain time.
That's 2 p.m.
God's time.
2 p.m.
God's time.
You'll have our first pretrial hearing.
Now, again, the major change.
Today, something I didn't expect was the plea.
I figured he'd plead not guilty.
I mean, stupid to go in there and plead guilty.
Especially with a death penalty on the table.
Not ideal.
Not ideal.
But you figure he's going to plead not guilty.
But he did plead not guilty today.
The judge asked him if he was ready to enter a plea.
They were like, yeah, sure.
And looking back, I think that might have been the right thing to do.
You might be able to steal a headline or two.
Instead of.
Judge finds probable cause.
It could be defendant.
Please not guilty, which is a better headline.
Better headline.
What happens between this pretrial hearing and now?
Nothing.
Not much.
Not much.
I mean, people are free to file whatever they want.
You'll probably start to see discovery filings pretty quickly.
Maybe as soon as this.
What's today?
Tuesday.
Maybe as soon as this week.
Maybe next week.
You'll probably see some discovery filings.
They may have already.
I mean.
740 Mountain Time.
They may have already fired one off.
I assume they knew it was going to get bound over for trial.
They probably already have some motions drafted.
I would be shocked if we went a week and a half without one.
Because now we have a right to discovery.
Before the defense could ask.
And they just sort of was at the mercy of the prosecution.
Whether the prosecution wanted to play nice or not.
But now they have to turn it over.
We know we're going to trial.
So I think the defense probably will file off at least a motion or two.
On some specific discovery requests.
And we'll see how.
The prosecution responds.
Maybe they respond.
Maybe the judge sets a hearing.
Maybe the judge is just ruling.
I don't know.
But we'll have to sit back and sort of wait.
And see how they intend to proceed between now and October 23rd.
I will say this.
If there's a filing between now and October 23rd.
It won't be heard before then.
That October 23rd likely will be the next time they go to court.
Unless something crazy happens.
Unless something very crazy happens.
All right.
I want to switch gears.
Because I don't want the whole day to get away.
Without.
Showing this.
I'm concerned.
This is a big gear change here.
I'm very concerned right now.
I saw this pop up today.
I saw this pop up.
Demand TPUSA replace Erica Kirk as CEO.
Notice only 288 people have signed this.
I recommend nobody sign this.
Do not participate in this campaign.
That's all I can say.
I do.
I do not think this campaign is being run in good faith.
And I think this campaign could be something very dark.
Very nefarious.
And very dangerous.
For one.
You are signing over your information to Z Cohen.
And I'm not a fan.
At all.
Of Z Cohen.
So.
Here is the issue.
Turning point was built around organizing and engaging young conservatives.
Okay.
I'll try to make it a little bigger here for you.
Okay.
Well that's great and all.
Okay.
When student leaders publicly walk away from that organization and question its direction.
It's board should listen.
Why?
Why?
Again, if you don't know who Z Cohen is, she hates TPUSA.
Her entire organization was created.
I can't remember what's called national ground game or something.
These are the people who run the unblank America tour.
They would show up and I think they showed up at three or four events.
They would show up at events.
And they would counter.
Program Charlie Kirk's TPUSA events.
So Charlie Kirk would haven't asked me anything.
Show up under the tent.
Students would line up across the street.
Unblank America with Z Cohen and her ilk, including Hunter Kozak would show up and they would hold a counter event, a counter protest, if you will.
Why, if, if their goal was to, and I'll, let me just play how she says it.
Let me see if I can find her here.
Yeah.
Here we go.
Every video she does, she puts up this and she says a lot of foul words and I'm not going to bleep them out.
So, uh, I'll, I'll just play the beginning of this.
I'm not going to play the whole thing, but I just want to play the beginning of, Oh, just actually, let me look here.
Let me pull this back down.
She doesn't show the event, does she?
Hold on.
Let me, let me preview this real fast.
I did.
I did not intend to show this video.
So give me just a second.
Okay.
No, she doesn't.
Um, if she does, I'll stop it immediately.
So this is Z Cohen.
She leads the unblank America tour.
She leads this national ground game.
Here's how she describes her organization.
The Charlie Kirk murder case just took a major step forward because today was the last day of the preliminary hearing.
So here's everything you need to know.
It's the first time you're seeing me.
I run the largest counter organization to turning point USA on the left.
So don't forget to follow me.
I run the largest counter organization for TP USA on the left, meaning.
She should be celebrating that TP USA is falling apart.
Her goal for existing is that TP USA would go down.
Right.
It's like the SPLC, the Southern poverty law center exists to fight racism.
They should celebrate the reduction of racism.
They shouldn't say, well, these organizations are getting less racist.
We should throw out their leaders.
No, you should say great.
These organizations
Petitions are crumbling.
They're not racist anymore.
We've won.
If Zee Cohen, if her goal is to defeat TPUSA and her statement here is that Erica is doing a lousy job, and that's what the change petition is about.
It says essentially she's doing a lousy job.
And because she's doing, two of you went off and signed this thing.
Come on, guys.
I asked you not to sign it.
Now we're at 290.
It's been at 288 for like an hour.
So if in recent months, there have been at least two significant public breaks involving campus leadership.
In March, University of Arkansas chapter announced it was disaffiliating from the national organization, rebranding as Young American Revival.
Then in April 2026, Caroline Maddox resigned as president of TPUSA's Georgia chapter.
She said she believed TPUSA's current direction no longer aligned with the principles on which the organization was founded.
These are documented decisions.
By individual student leaders, but they should matter to an organization whose mission depends heavily on students.
Erica Kirk serves as both the CEO and chair.
We believe these recent student departures give TPUSA's board sufficient.
Listen, what you're saying is everything you've been working for since founding your stupid organization is coming to fruition.
You're winning.
You founded an organization.
And you're the one who's going to make it happen.
Rather than celebrate, she's saying we should get rid of Erica Kirk and get somebody better.
Why?
Why?
If you think she's destroying TPUSA, you should be popping Dom Perry on.
You should be putting off those little cannons that rain down confetti.
This should be something you're excited about.
I'm very concerned she's not.
And here's why.
Here's why I'm concerned she's not.
I don't trust any of this.
I don't trust any of these people involved.
I don't trust the TPUSA people, and I don't trust Z Cohen at all.
And I wonder if there's not some sort of coordination.
I can't state for certain.
But I know, for example, that the TPUSA people have put out surrogates to go out there and accuse conservatives of working with this woman to take down TPUSA.
And they've included accusations.
They've included accusations of taking money.
Taking money from ActBlue.
ActBlue is the big Democrat funding mechanism.
People donate to ActBlue, and then ActBlue gives money to Democrat organizations.
The Republicans have a counter one called WinRed.
So ActBlue is the Democrat version, the leftist version.
And they've been accusing people of taking money from ActBlue and working with Z Cohen.
And now we have Z Cohen out there saying we need to replace Erica Kirk.
But this is in the context of everything that's taken place in the last couple of months.
It's September 1st.
Let's go back to July 1st.
We learned last week that the Department of War, formerly the Department of Defense, I think still officially the Department of Defense, but they call it the Department of War or whatever.
The Department of Defense, the Department of War has gone around hiring conservative influencers like Graham Allen, Data Republican and others.
And they're paying them essentially to.
To carry out their mission.
One of the missions seems to be supporting Erica Kirk on its face.
But in supporting Erica Kirk, what they're saying is not Erica's doing a great job.
They're saying people are attacking Erica Kirk and they're putting her life in jeopardy.
It's an interesting support.
That Candace is somehow leading this organization that's endangering Erica Kirk.
Now you have the story come out.
That all these these organizations that are endangering Erica Kirk may be working with Z Cohen.
And Act Blue funded by Act Blue.
And now you have Z Cohen coming out saying, I'm worried for TPSA.
We need Erica Kirk to step down.
Too much targeting on Erica Kirk here.
Too much getting ready to blame Candace if something happens to Erica Kirk.
And that's essentially what Data Republican concluded.
After she went to work for the Department of War, she started this.
Series of social media posts or about the time she went to work for the Department of War.
She started this series of social media posts essentially saying Candace is putting Erica's life in jeopardy.
By her coverage of the Tyler Robinson case.
And I worry that the same thing that I think might have happened to Charlie Kirk.
Might be in the works for Erica and it's terrifying.
I don't want anything to happen to her.
I don't want anything to happen to anybody.
We have enough violence in this world.
We have enough bombs exploding overseas.
We have enough people being displaced and killed.
We have schoolgirls dying in schools.
Let's let's let's dial back the violence for a little bit.
Let's just take this back to conversation and rhetoric.
Let's just have debates over which way we should govern ourselves.
Let's stop with the violence.
But I really worry that that the Erica Kirk experiment has failed.
And that they recognize.
That everything Z Cohen just said about Erica Kirk is true.
Frankly, she is doing a poor job.
People are losing faith in her.
Nobody's watching the Charlie Kirk show.
Nobody's showing up at TPSA events.
Attendance is way down.
Donations have to be down.
At least small dollar donations have to be down.
Merch sales probably collapsed in the, you know, in the immediate aftermath after Charlie passed.
They went way up, but they've probably collapsed since then.
And it wouldn't be a stretch to believe that the.
The Erica Kirk experiment is failing.
But you're never going to get her to step down.
You're never going to convince her that she's had enough.
You're never going to get the board to fire her.
But if you can create this idea in people's minds that Erica Kirk is in danger and if something happens to her, it must be some crazy Candace cult follower.
Well, then you've created an environment where.
You could have her removed.
And you could blame Candace.
You could blame the independent researchers who are trying to figure out who killed.
Charlie Kirk.
How and why?
And I had this idea floating in my head.
I'd had this concern floating around in my head.
But it wasn't until I saw her video today that it sort of all clicked.
And I thought, oh, my.
This is why they're saying everyone's working with Z Cohen.
This is why they're saying everyone's being funded by Act Blue.
This is why they're saying Erica Kirk's life's in danger because of Candace Owens coverage of the Tyler Robinson case.
There's it would be a perfect environment.
I'm not saying they're doing it, but it would be a perfect environment to.
Set up an act on Erica Kirk that could be blamed on someone else.
Why am I mentioning that?
Because I think the safest thing to do is to identify it.
The reason Charlie's dead is because he tried to handle everything behind the scenes.
Imagine if Charlie had gone public and said, I think they're going to kill me.
I'm making a public break.
I have to make a break with my former supporters, and I'm concerned they're going to kill me.
Well, then if they then if he died, who do you think people would blame?
The people.
He said might kill him.
The people he said might kill him.
You know, instead of sending a private text to a group of of of donors and supporters saying you guys have left me with no choice but to leave the pros real cause.
What if he'd held a press conference?
What if he'd put something on X?
What if he had done a quick video and put it up on his YouTube page and said, hey, I'm being hassled and I'm having donors leave and I'm left with no choice but to leave the pros real cause.
And they died the next day.
Who do you think people would blame?
Think they blame Tyler Robinson?
Think they think he acted alone?
No.
I don't think so at all.
And that's why I'm saying this tonight.
I think people need to know that I have this really bad gut feeling deep in my soul that the Erica Kirk experiment has failed and the people closest to her know it.
And when the Charlie Kirk experiment failed.
He died.
He died.
And I don't want the same fate to befall Erica Kirk.
I think the safest thing to do is just to call it out as I see it.
I'm deeply and gravely concerned.
I don't know.
Part of me thinks anyone who watches Candace Owens or watches this program would ever do anything to Erica.
Not one single part of me.
But I also don't think.
Tyler Robinson did that to Charlie Kirk.
I think someone else may have done it.
I think there may have been a larger plan.
I've stated as much many times on the record.
And that's that's what I fear.
I have a deep fear of that.
I don't know.
I don't know any other way to read all these tea leaves and come to any other conclusion.
And so I encourage people to stay away from this stuff.
Stay away from this conversation.
Stay away from this nonsense.
Don't sign the petition.
Don't get involved in it.
Don't don't interact with Z.
Z is not our friend.
Z is not a friend.
She's the enemy.
She's the enemy.
She doesn't want to find out who killed Charlie Kirk.
How and why?
Keep in mind, it was her cohort.
Her buddy.
Hunter Kozak, who was at the microphone.
Asking about trans violence when an alleged guy motivated by trans issues.
Supposedly acted violently.
on Charlie Kirk.
that's not lost on me are you saying hunter kozak is involved no
no i can't i can't possibly say that i don't know that but i can point out the absurdity of the
situation i can point out the absurdity of the situation i can point out that it looked like he
was prepping preparing his reaction ahead of time i can point out that he looked more nervous than
anyone else getting ready to ask a question nobody else was pacing around nobody else was
looking at their watch look like they uttered the s word nobody else was making weird hand
gestures towards charlie kirk hunter kozak looked nervous it was a long-tailed cat in
a room full of rocking chairs he looked terrified and that's her buddy that's that's that guy was
with her group when charlie died and so the fact that she's getting involved
with trying to have a a movement to have erica kirk removed that worries me that worries me a lot
because if you if you want the downfall of tp usa you you form an organ your z coach
your z colin sanchez and you you form an organization and that organization exists
solely to oppose tp usa you want to destroy tp usa with your protesting with your organizational
skills
and all of a sudden you look and tp usa is in grave danger
and you think you've identified the problem erica kirk
like you think that's the problem you think that's the cause of the destruction of tp usa
and you exist to destroy tp usa are you going to remove the cause
and make tp usa a better stronger organization or are you going to celebrate its demise
the fact that that's what she claims to want but she's not celebrating it
instead she's trying to remedy it so that tp usa is now somehow stronger
gives me a deep concern about her motivations and her integrity frankly
and her motives
i don't know that i want to say any more than that but i i would caution people
very much about getting involved with with her or her organization
um because i have those questions
i can't state for certain that she has any motivation to harm anyone i cannot state that
with certainty but i can say it causes me grave concern grave concern that there could be now some
multi-organizational effort to have erica kirk removed so that they can blame candace owens
that they can blame the people who have asked questions about who killed charlie kirk how and
why and have to ask questions about erica kirk's background or her qualifications so i say all that
just to leave it there i don't want to go into it any more deeply i don't i'm certainly not accused
let me just say this blanketly this is all opinion i'm not accusing anyone of anything
i'm not stating with certainty but i am i will conclude this way the fact that people
have without any evidence because it's not true claimed that that people are taking money from
Act Blue or working with Z Cohen in order to accommodate this opposition to the Fed
slop narrative.
And now you see Z Cohen coming out and sort of furthering that narrative herself.
I'm concerned.
I'm very, very concerned.
Very, very concerned.
I think the best thing to do when you're under threat is to be under threat publicly.
And I'm trying to state publicly my concerns.
I wish Charlie had stated publicly his concerns.
I think he'd still be with us today.
I do.
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I love being a member.
Baron and Daisy, God bless you.
And thank you for all you do.
See, here's an example of a member.
If somebody's a member for six months, they have access to everything.
Baron, I feel sick hearing Judge Graff spew that nonsense like it was written for him
before anyone even knew who Tyler Robinson was.
Hit me really hard.
I know this is bound to happen, but I allowed myself too much hope.
God bless to all.
I had no hope.
I, this is the outcome I expected.
I had no hope that any of these charges were getting bounced.
And so I, you know, it doesn't surprise me that in these six months, I'm going to be
six weeks or so.
He's had to digest all this stuff since the, um, since the preliminary hearing, the, the
evidentiary part of the preliminary hearing ended.
It doesn't surprise me at all that he was able to draft this out ahead of time.
He knew where he was going.
Today was a dog and pony show.
I hate when evil even has a light, apparent win feeling a bit disheartened and somehow
longing for this guy to bring me some hope.
That's Baron.
Thanks.
I certainly never gave you guys any false hope.
Did I give you one?
I gave you one shred of hope that this guy was going to somehow not send this to trial.
I'm going to hedge a little bit and said, Hey, it's probably going to go to trial, but that's
just natural legal hedging.
Uh, thank you, man, for being the voice of reason.
Oh, I will accept that title.
Baron Coleman voice of reason, uh, in order of reason and order in a world full of insanity
and cast.
Now that's too long of a title.
We're just going to go with voice of reason.
Uh, this is the definition of a conspiracy and we all have a front row seat with you
as our professor.
Oh, well, thank you.
Uh, just because you're you.
Thank you.
I appreciate that.
I'm very kind of you.
Uh, my B I'm in Nashville for a conference.
Being on God's time is amazing.
God bless you and the Coleman family.
I'm not sure what time zone you come from, Kate, but there's no better time zone.
No better time zone.
Enjoy your stay.
Enjoy your stay.
You'll enjoy it.
Uh, Baron, you're my favorite podcast.
First time super chat.
Number one fan from the sunshine coast, Australia.
Might not know if there's a non, uh, the Owen Benjamin members show was my favorite so far.
Such a good conversation.
I've already watched it twice.
Long live the pandas.
Yeah.
I'd never encountered the pandas aren't real, uh, until talking to Owen Benjamin.
And now I question everything I've ever believed ever, uh, community you've built for us is
more needed than ever today.
Grateful to be together, to be high IQ, avoid slop and celebrate.
Thankful for these jurors and humble host and Daisy better together versus King.
Indeed.
Yeah, we are better together.
We're all getting a little better every day.
That's the goal.
Uh, my B yesterday show was huge.
Good smoke boy.
Be part of a plot to set up the principle as a leader of a domestic terrorist organization.
FBI named a TLM Catholics as DTs in 200 page report crisis King.
Indeed.
Um, yeah, I think that's exactly the role.
I think that's the role in what I was talking about tonight at the end of the program.
I hope you were able to stay and watch the whole program.
Uh, what I was talking about the tonight at the end of the program was exactly that, that,
that this whole Z Cohen thing has me weirded out.
Love you.
My B got my shirts in the mail this week.
So rocking in good, good, but you look great.
Happy new year, Utah, 1926.
I don't know what that means.
Do they have a new year on September 1st?
Is that like the date?
The state was fine.
I have no idea what date Tennessee.
Was founded Tennessee founding date.
I'll be celebrating on June 1st.
Ladies and gentlemen, I have no idea.
No idea.
Uh, how is the college boy doing British forest?
Gump had me cracking up crisis King.
Indeed.
Hey, listen, it's a thing.
British forest.
Gump is apparently a thing.
I had no idea I could do that accent so well, but there was, that was yesterday.
If you missed it, go back and watch, um, college boys doing.
Spectrum.
He's doing spectacularly well.
He is motivated.
He's excited.
I think he's adjusting.
Well, working out, uh, so grateful to be part of this high Q outfit on March 23rd, I will
have 20 years clean and I'm grateful that just being around you makes me a better person
in crisis.
King.
Indeed.
Uh, what's the community.
Now the community pulls together and we're, we're all becoming better people every day.
Now I am overwhelmed.
Go max.
My B, uh, max going, going max.
I'm just one.
My B.
Can I humbly request you don't take time off the same week as Candace Owens.
I just can't handle it.
Christ is King.
Indeed.
Uh, we only missed two shows.
We missed the Thursday show and the Sunday show.
That was it.
It was the only shows we missed.
Nah.
And, and Hey, you're getting a bonus makeup show today.
I normally don't do a show on Tuesday night.
This is a bonus show.
So really you only missed one show.
Come on, guys.
Come on.
You're humble.
Host has to travel.
Sometimes.
Uh, I know you prefer to go early on Tuesday, but thanks so much for still doing a show.
Even though it's so late after judge graph finally stopped talking.
That is all.
didn't he like hearing himself talk?
He could have easily said,
I will give you a written summation tomorrow of my order,
but I'm binding over all seven counts.
Okay, that's it.
We didn't need all that, Judge.
We didn't need all that.
Baron, sir, I need to download your intro.
My son wants to use it for his walk-up song for baseball.
Well, then, go do it now,
because it's going to be gone about 10 minutes after the show's over.
So go do it now.
You've been heard.
Go download it now.
It seemed to me Judge had to rule to bind over
in order to preserve his own reputation.
Followed the Utah law, which if defense appeals anything ever,
it will be based on the law itself, not the judge's ruling.
Well, that's, yeah.
I mean, I don't know that he had much choice.
Maybe a little choice here and there, but it was going to trial.
Could there be texts of CK and EK arguing about his change of support,
which could be the reason she demanded his phone back?
Why were all the members giving interviews over explaining immediately after?
I didn't see any members giving interviews,
so I have no idea what you're talking about there.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I would want the public
to have my conversations with Mrs. Coleman, you know, for a lot of reasons.
And so I'm sure she doesn't want all her conversations to be public.
I think that's. We all jumped to your podcast tonight.
Thank you for the high IQ content.
And by the way, tell the principal that your T-shirts are softer than hers
and she needs to step it up.
We like high quality merch.
Love you all.
Christ is King indeed.
Well, I'll be sure to screen cap this and send it to her
and say nanner, nanner, boo, boo.
I'll let her know.
I'll let her know.
I have some of her merch.
I don't think it's good merch.
Mine may be great merch, but hers is good merch.
Brandon, I know you probably did a live.
All the laws, regulations, and policy changes that's happened in Utah
for the previous year leading up to CK's murder.
Do you remember what episode it was?
I don't know that I've done it quite in that format.
I mean, we've talked about a few things.
Maybe that's a good idea.
Daisy, you want to do that one day this week maybe?
Maybe next week?
Yeah, I think she's talking about the one where you went over
how the. You did a segment where the autopsy,
a ruling on autopsy stuff was changed in early 2025.
But there were several things that have changed.
Yeah, we probably should do one just to. We can grab them and then read, yeah.
10 or 15 minute segment.
Yeah, we'll do that.
Good idea.
Yeah, great idea.
I'll find that one first.
Faith's sacred journey.
Great idea.
We'll allow it.
We'll allow it.
Thank you.
Wasn't the judge summation a way of tainting the jury pool?
No.
No.
I mean, at some point he has to state his reason for binding it over.
I know you might answer this before you read Supers,
but I don't want to risk it.
The defense has been asking for things they need
and have been stonewalled.
Do you know if the court will enforce discovery now?
Yeah, that's what I said at the end.
Sorry.
Maybe I should have led with that.
I don't know.
But now that it's going to trial,
the defense will probably in the very near future
file a discovery request for everything that's pending that they want.
Precedence, do you see happening if Clancy wins?
None.
None.
Trial decisions don't set precedent.
That's not how law works.
If you're using precedent in some way other than a legal way,
I don't know really what you're asking.
I mean, so societally or for other juries in the future?
Look, juries do all kinds of weird stuff.
But no, legally, there's no precedent set by a jury verdict.
Precedents are set by courts.
By appellate courts.
They sure talked about standards a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mr. Bruce Lee, I wish I had more to say than yeah to a $100 comment.
But yeah.
I mean, that's what it was.
It was a hearing on the law.
Number one from Aledo, Texas.
Go, Max.
I will.
I will.
Baron, is it possible for the judge to write that whole ruling in just an HR time?
A lot of us think, didn't think so.
Thank you for all you do.
An hour?
No, no, no chance.
I think so.
I think that meant an hour.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that was weeks in the making.
He's been drafting that since July in all likelihood.
And I have no problem with that.
I mean, the alternative is he says today, I'm binding it over and I'll let you know in six weeks why.
And I don't think that's very good.
He knew he was going to bind it over before the preliminary hearing even started, if I had to guess.
Thank you, Baron.
Thank you, Keeper Keeper.
Arrested Development is one of my favorite shows, too.
Criminal, it was canceled and the reboot wasn't the same.
Does Blake Neff remind you of Tobias Funke in Image and Likeness?
Oh, more than Image and Likeness.
I believe Blake Neff probably showers in denim shorts.
He's probably painted himself blue on more than one occasion.
No doubt he considers himself an actor.
And he probably.
He is an analyst therapist.
Combined.
And an aurepist.
If I had to guess.
If I had to guess.
If you've not seen Arrested Development, none of that will make sense.
If you have, it's one of the great shows ever made.
One of my very favorite shows.
Top five show for me.
The old one.
Not the one that Netflix put out.
The old one.
It's only like two or three seasons.
New merch suggestion.
If it weren't for double standards, you'd have no standards.
I would happily be the first to gift one of those to Smokeboy.
As his favorite shirt.
Yeah, I'm probably not going to put that one out.
But I appreciate it.
But that's a pretty common expression.
That's not native to your humble host.
Don't something butch.
Oh, I mean Sue Barron.
I thought McBriar was the skeleton of Smokeboy.
I don't know who McBriar is.
I don't know what all that means.
I wish I did.
She might have met McBride, one of the attorneys.
He's a little bony.
Okay, fair enough.
I'll allow him.
We'll call him bony.
I guess.
Hey, B, it's been a bit since I caught a live.
Just wanted to say hi.
Keep up the good work.
Speaking of a bit since someone caught a live,
has anyone checked on Roll That Beautiful Bean footage?
I sure would like to know where he was.
He was such an integral part of the program,
and then he just disappeared.
Thank you, Jack.
Barron, you're an inspiring man.
I wish a guy like you was in my men's group.
You'd be incredibly helpful to the men.
You've inspired me to examine my use of alcohol.
Grateful for you.
God bless you.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
Examine away.
Examine away.
I'm not one of those that think everyone should be sober at all times,
but I do think a lot of people should be.
I think most people probably should be.
But thank you.
I appreciate that.
You probably can't join your men's group.
It's probably not local to me.
And the problem I have with men's group is they either meet too early,
because I don't get off the air sometimes until 10 or 11 o'clock.
It takes me an hour or two to wind down,
get everything done with the editing,
get to bed.
And then they meet at like five in the morning.
I can't do that.
I can't be there at 5 a.m.
I'm up too late.
Or they meet at like 7 p.m.
Can't do that either.
I need a men's group of people who work for themselves who meet at 3 p.m.
I could do that.
Well, really like 12 p.m.
By 3 p.m.
I'm in show prep.
Really like 11 a.m.
I need someone who meets at 11 a.m.
If there's a men's group locally that meets at 11 a.m.
Give me a holler.
Be happy to join.
My granddaughter wore her bull butter shirt to school.
Her liberal teachers all thought it was cute.
One teacher DM me and said she watches Baron and loved it.
Your favorite Californian crisis king.
Indeed.
Well,
hey, teacher.
Disregard everything else.
Don't hold it against the kid.
Everything I said about Z Cohen tonight.
Oh, no.
I think I know what you're going to say about EK.
It's been my thought for a long time.
Mine too.
My ever super chat asked you about the Montana meeting in correlation to the explosion of the Tennessee be you.
I got a whole please.
You just missed it at the time.
Reconsider the Montana meeting was October 5th to 7th, right?
In in Ferry Lake and then in Bozeman.
I don't know what connection that would have to the Tennessee thing.
I wish I could give you a better answer.
Better answer.
Baron just curious to the time the spy plane flew over where TR was first in custody.
Coincide with the discord message time.
Thanks for all you do.
I think it was an hour late.
If I'm not mistaken.
I think you're right.
Yeah.
I have it.
If you say I have it right here.
Let me pull it up.
It was November 2100 Lima.
It was on.
I get it first.
No, you won't.
September 11th.
Already.
Okay.
All right.
Here we go.
I'll pull it up for all of you.
All of us to see it.
So that way you guys can accuse me of chicanery.
So here's where it flew over St.
George.
It entered the area.
At.
237 Zulu time, which minus minus six out there, right?
Minus six would be 26 minus 620.
So it'd be 837 p.m.
And it left the area at 908 p.m.
The message was sent at 757.
p.m.
So this is 8.37 p.m.
So it flew in after that, after that message was sent.
So no, it doesn't correlate.
It's about the time they said that Tyler arrived at Washington County.
Yeah.
So maybe there were some other texts and stuff going out that we don't have,
but that was from 8.37 to 9.08 was when it was in the area.
But Christ is King, indeed.
I love you, B and Daisy.
Candace was great today.
I agree.
I agree.
Oh, you know what I didn't play?
I didn't play the butch clip.
I'll do that tomorrow.
I got so excited about all the other stuff.
I'll play the butch clip tomorrow.
I apologize.
I need to change the description on the show.
I can do that right now.
I don't want anyone being confused if they tune in.
It's been changed.
It's been changed, ladies and gentlemen.
Thanks to Matt, Nate, Nissy, and Cassio being live all day.
Happy with immediate TR plea of not guilty at the end for morale.
Knowing what will be spewed by TPSA now next court date, October 23, 1 p.m.
Mountain Man time.
How can Frank and Jack be on FaceTime?
Early at the hospital, Frank said he was on FaceTime with his son eight hours in his pocket.
Love you, my B.
Christ is King, indeed.
Frank has amended that story.
He no longer suggests he was at FaceTime for eight hours.
He now says he was on FaceTime until he arrived at the hospital.
So during the time he was in the car, he claims he was on FaceTime with his son.
I don't know if I believe that either, but that's his story, and he's sticking to it.
That's his new story, and he's sticking to it now.
So that answers that question.
Candace has gone off on X.
Okay, I'll pull it up.
She's out here.
What's she saying?
Well, she's, yeah.
She's got her battle bun.
Oh, she's battle bunning it up.
She is.
Let's go see what she's doing here.
Oh, this is great.
Hold on.
Let me pull this off, and we will review what the principal is saying.
She seems very fired up.
Let's see here, here.
All right.
So this, she's got three.
We'll post up.
We'll read them.
We'll read them.
Share screen.
Here we go.
Boom.
Oh, that's her incredible show for us today.
We don't need that.
All right.
No.
Okay.
What does Matt say?
We have a lawyer justifying political assassination in one court case, and another lawyer justifying
the mass murder of children in another.
Very dark times in America, which one?
Who's he talking about?
I don't know what he's talking about.
No, Matt.
This is literally not what's happening here at all.
We face dark times in this country because of men who deem themselves influencers who
do not bother to read through court filings, but insist on fashioning an opinion based
on out-of-context clips pertaining to complex matters of litigation.
This particular clip you're citing is merely a response to the state's arguments that Charlie
was killed because of his religious political beliefs, and the extremely relevant pair of
sentencing enhancements that the state is seeking accordingly.
The defense lawyer is engaging in the state's arguments and demonstrating why he believes,
they failed to prove them, even under the given hearsay standards.
He's not justifying political assassinations, nor are you dumb enough to believe that's what
he's doing.
Well, I object, Your Honor.
I think he might be dumb enough.
I used to like Matt Walsh, but I think he's gone off the deep end of Tardville.
Again, sentencing enhancements were argued extensively throughout the filings.
If you want to have an opinion about this case, please make a respectable one.
Engage in the discussion honestly, at the very least.
Read through the filings and stop regurgitating talking points.
Oh.
Well, that was the first one.
Second one.
Tyler Robinson pleads not guilty on all seven charges in the assassination of Charlie Kirk
after Judge Tony Graff ruled prosecutors cleared the evidentiary bar to proceed to trial.
From the principal.
Go find every single worthless influencer who lied and gaslit you for months about this
case, claiming Tyler Robinson turned himself in and subsequently admitted his guilt.
We simply do not hate these people enough.
Oh, I agree, Madam Principal.
I agree.
What they actually want is for the American court process to run guilty until proven innocent.
It's utterly monstrous to insist that someone should be put to death before they are given a fair trial.
And while a few of these influencers do it out of sincere stupidity, the majority of them do it for money.
Oh, we agree again, Madam Principal.
Better stay to their prostitutes.
You do something for me, I'll give you a little money.
That's what, for those of you who don't speak native English, that's what a prostitute is.
We were at the beginning of this trial and every one of their lies will be exposed by the end of it.
Okay.
I'll allow it.
Yeah, she's kind of going off a little bit.
Kind of going off a little bit.
All right, where were we?
We were right here, I think.
Couldn't wait for your take.
I think Graff did okay.
Defense made huge mistakes with the hateful comment.
Glad he pled not guilty before anniversary festival.
Yeah, it would have been even better if he pled not guilty on the 10th, and then that's the headline, or on the 9th.
I've never been able to shake my fear for Erica, too.
I just think she may be acting like this because she's terrified for her children.
Jesus, help us.
You know, that was my original thought on Erica Kirk, was that she was terrified.
I fought you guys in the comments for a long time.
You guys were bashing Erica in my comments, and every time I'd pull one up and be like, guys, I don't know how I would react.
I don't know what I would feel.
And then I finally gave up on her, but that was my thought for months, was that she might just be terrified and going along to stay alive.
Her kids just lost her father.
She doesn't want to lose their mother.
So I don't necessarily disagree with that's where I started.
I'm not still there.
Baron, in all fun, I'm also a water connoisseur.
I challenge you to a friendly water duel via video call live.
No cameras needed.
Haven't tried goat water, but granddad's water is the best.
I'm not going to accept your challenge, but I believe you.
Bless you, Baron.
You have such a big heart.
Well, I try to be fair.
I try to be fair.
During the Butch video, Candace released, there's a guy in front of him in a hat.
Looks like he's on a radio walkie-talkie.
He's completely calm.
So when I play this video, I'm going to do it tomorrow.
I'm not doing it today.
It's obviously too late.
But when I play that video tomorrow, there are several people I want to point out that are entirely too calm.
One of them is. I believe Chrissy Pacheco.
That woman does not look like her longtime compatriot just got taken down.
She looks. She's just milling around.
There's several people just milling around.
Like directing traffic.
And Butch is there just videoing the whole thing.
That's very weird.
Very weird.
Anyone ever told you you sound like Tom Hanks?
I just want to hear you say, there's a snake in my boot.
Or reach for the sky.
I don't think I sound like Tom Hanks.
I find that to be an insult.
Unless it's from the movie Big.
I'll allow it.
It's a good movie.
AK still pushing for speedy trial and TPSA still shaking in their boots.
Love the speedy not guilty plea.
Thanks, Baron, for your insight.
You're welcome, Joey.
In your absence, I watched the Julian Dory episode 340 exposing the lack of accountability in the religion business.
And Charlie Kirk being dispatched during the recording.
The irony can't be ignored.
So I've watched a clip of it.
I don't think I've ever watched that whole video.
That's a good one.
I should watch that.
Baron, what worries me most is that the jury will be bought and paid for.
And they will fry this kid regardless of the evidence.
Hope to be wrong.
It's hard to pay off 12 jurors.
All you need is one with a conscience and everybody goes to prison.
If I'm being honest.
Do you usually lie?
No.
No.
But that's just a turn of phrase.
I probably should drop it.
You're right.
If I'm being honest, I'll stop saying it.
There should be an edit option.
Two super chats.
You get that option before you hit send.
You can edit it as many times as you want.
How can a judge force the jury to make a decision that forces people to vote against their beliefs?
Doesn't it?
Yeah, I guess it does.
But at least make them scared.
I would seriously say, hey, if you guys think you're going home this week, you're out of your mind.
Get back in there.
Figure it out.
Here's what I think is happening.
I think.
I think there's probably just one or two on either side.
I'm not sure if it's one or two for Lindsay or one or two for the state, but I was probably one or two on either side.
It's rarely six, six.
And, you know, you just keep reasoning with them.
Have you ever seen 12 angry men?
Sometimes the one wins.
I wonder, did the defense stay away from the L.T. testimony because they don't want to give prosecution anything to use against them during trial?
Like I noticed, they did not point out lies in.
The defense's testimony.
I don't know.
I can't get inside their heads.
I honestly don't know.
I'm curious why you believe it may have been better to wait before entering a plea.
Pleading not guilty immediately shows a level of confidence, in my opinion.
Just to grab a headline day all your own.
That's that's it, really.
You know, if you if you wait a week, all the headlines about the evidence go away and then you get a series of headlines on not guilty.
Thank you.
That's why.
You don't get buried in all the news.
I haven't commented in a while.
I just want to say you're a great man and have a huge heart.
Your kids are lucky to have you and Mrs. Coleman as role models.
We all appreciate you.
I can assure you Mrs. Coleman is a greater role model.
Y'all ain't never met Mrs. Coleman.
Well, some of you have.
She did pop in a couple of times on a member show.
I mean, just to say hi.
She didn't like to sit down and chat.
I still need to get on to sit down.
She's very much not a public person.
We are completely opposite.
In that respect.
Thank you for addressing Erica.
I feel like she's stuck in this situation and incredibly vulnerable.
I'm not saying she has zero culpability, but I feel,
I also don't believe she's a ringleader.
She's a pawn as much as TR.
Oh, I agree.
I think we all agree with that.
I mean, she has no qualifications to run TPUSA.
No one believes that.
Toilet monger being pissed me off so bad on X today,
that I told him he's so vile,
even his hair wants nothing to do with him.
Things are getting so weird.
Oh, what did he say today?
I got a little sideways with him last night,
and I said some things I probably wouldn't have said if I wasn't so tired.
But I don't know what he said today.
Where's old Blake Sneff?
There he is.
Blake Sneff.
Where you at, Blakey?
What did you say today?
What low-budget, lousy thing did you say?
Oh, well, he's already got a proposal.
He wrote a post-community note on the last thing he said.
He's Mr. Community Note.
Mr. Community Note.
Edge, thank you for sharing your expertise
and answering our questions for Dimes on the Dollar.
The defense seemed wimpy, but why?
But there are so many obscure details.
I look forward to hearing from our courthouse team.
Yeah, I'll be interested if they see if they saw anything on camera
that we might have wanted to see.
Huge fan.
Been watching for almost a year.
You had to choose the biggest question in the case.
What is it?
The bullet, the lack of footage, or the TPSA post-bang actions and response?
I mean, the biggest question is,
was a gunshot fired from the low-sea center roof?
I mean, if the answer to that question is no, it wasn't Tyler Robinson.
If the answer to that question is yes, I guess the question still remains as Tyler.
I mean, the biggest question is, did Tyler Robinson do it?
But I don't know.
I don't know how to answer that.
I appreciate it, but I don't know how to answer it.
Hubba host.
And you say it's probable cause, not probably cause.
I think I heard that today.
That's probable cause.
Anybody who said, I mean, people misspeak all the time.
I'm not holding that against them.
But anyone who said probably cause probably misspoke.
Better not jump to Gary's feed.
And he said, it's evil what you and Candace and Stu are doing.
You can expect this from a third-world country.
He prays for Erica and TPSA.
He's so bought and paid for.
I don't think I'm evil.
I'll let my work stand on its own.
I'm tired of addressing these people.
You know, if you, if you tune in and think I'm evil, then don't watch as God would have it.
I rocked my RBP grand jury shirt today.
Noticed it as a typo and it says podcast, which is okay.
Cause I'm in double a.
So it works.
Nurse Casey.
We got to get that corrected stat.
She did.
She sent a message.
She gets, she got it.
It's been corrected ladies and gentlemen.
So what you have is not an.
An error.
You have a limited release, you know, in the, in the, uh, uh, trading card world that makes it more valuable.
Makes it more valuable.
The first person that's ever told me that, uh, he confessed to his parents.
He confessed to Lance twigs.
He confessed to everybody in their blood at brother, please.
Not guilty in the courtroom.
I believe God has his own plan for this service.
Well, keep in mind, ladies and gentlemen, even people who confess on the record can still plead not guilty.
So I, I mean, that, that doesn't say a.
Lot, uh, my B I've lost all faith in our judicial system.
Oh, you're not alone.
You're not alone at all.
I got bad news.
Uh, for those of you who think you're alone in that, you're not alone.
Uh, Pope innocent.
The third condemned the Magna Carta declaring it shameful, demeaning, illegal, and unjust and proclaimed it null and void.
Well, good news for Pope innocent, the third it's almost all been, there's only like three provisions.
That are still in effect though.
He ultimately won a one.
I would love an opening on James Holmes, the movie theater blasting.
You talked about it on Candace, uh, two wasn't EK's mom's doctor's office closed on nine, 10, apparently not three Christ is King.
Indeed.
We love you and Daisy.
Uh, love you as well.
Probably not going to do an opening on James Holmes.
Uh, if I'm being honest, I don't want to disappoint you, but, um, I'm not sure.
What I would add to that discussion, man.
I was thinking the same.
She must not have so much footage.
Oh, she must have so much footage setting traps.
Uh, alleged we don't want anyone getting hurt.
Long live Erica France fade today.
Six days post op.
My fusion scans came back.
Perfect.
Right.
It's just King and D congrats on the good scans.
Yeah.
The more footage she releases, the more I got to believe she has these guys, right?
Where she wants them.
And let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen, she's answering a question.
Don't lie to her.
If she's asking a question, don't lie to her because it sounds like she knows the answer.
I love you be, can we get a Mrs.
Coleman cookbook or at least some of her chicken recipes, please.
God bless you.
Please stay safe.
That's up to Mrs.
Coleman.
I can't make her do anything.
That's not how our marriage works.
Ladies and gentlemen, if I tell her to make a cookbook, that doesn't mean you're going to get a cookbook.
I'm going to make a cookbook.
We lay our trust in the Lord.
head rub around the Georgia asphalt.
And I'll stop.
That Alan Jackson?
I don't think he would do a very good job.
Alan Jackson sang some great tunes.
How I Wish Dallas Was in Tennessee,
still one of my favorite country songs.
If you're talking about Alan Jackson, A-L-L-E-N,
I don't think he is going to take him up.
Three things I'm certain of.
One, the unusual airing of this pre-trial probable cause hearing
is designed to let people scream he's guilty.
Is it unusual?
I think in Utah, the courts have a right,
I mean, the public has a right to video, generally.
Two, he will never make it to trial.
I'm concerned about that.
Three, a death in prison after today is just as good as a conviction.
Clips show no one denying facts forever.
Well, I mean, they did say they don't concede to anything.
So I'm not sure I agree with you, but thank you.
That was a very generous donation.
Got all three new shirts today.
Love them.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Diligent mention TR had an ID pockmark on his left cheek.
I wonder if Penguin's server could corroborate that fact.
Also explains blurry Fedslop footage.
Can't have that if multiple decoys are afoot.
I don't know that I've ever seen a pockmark on Tyler.
I've got a hair hanging.
My face is driving me crazy.
I'll have to check that out.
I'm not familiar with it.
Trigger tribe raid.
Oh, you're part of the trigger tribe raid.
You guys must have all raided right before eight o'clock.
But thank you.
Thanks for showing up.
Sir B, what a day.
Wondering how YNBFT could.
Oh, Yankin and Bank and Frank.
Yankin Bank Frank could possibly FaceTime with Son and then simultaneously be on a separate FaceTime with Jack Hibbs.
Well, obviously he's saying there's.
There's a disconnect for one and a connect with the other and perform CPR on CK.
Well, when he said he was on FaceTime with his son, he didn't know he was in his phone was in his back pocket.
That frees up his hands for the alleged CPR attempt that I don't believe happened.
He must have octopus arms.
Well, while you and I, neither one of us agree with the story or believe it, I don't think you've accurately represented the facts.
And it's a fair mistake.
I'm not accusing you of purposefully doing that, but I don't think that's an accurate rendition.
Trigger smart raid.
Get that like, yes, trigger smart rating, Nate rating.
I'll take all raids, any and all raids.
If somebody's on afterwards, I'll try to figure out how to read.
I'll pass it on.
Pass it on.
But thank you.
Thank you.
Very kind.
Trigger smart.
Very kind.
You'll be so the judge can make the jury stay till they all agree.
You can make him stay a long time.
Couldn't this make someone change their answer just to get out?
I've had it happen in a case of mine.
I'll explain it in just a second.
So they truly think innocent, but they could change to guilty to be able to go home.
Yeah.
So I had a case.
I'm not going to say where.
It was in Ohio.
And I thought we were going to win or at least hang the jury.
Like, I thought we were close.
And the jury was out forever.
They were out days, like three, four, five days.
And at 4 p.m.
The Wednesday before Thanksgiving.
They knock on the door.
They come out.
The judge were still hung.
What time will we come back Friday?
You know, the judge said Friday.
We'll see you guys at eight o'clock in the morning.
We're going to.
I told you we'd continue every day until this was over.
And they said, but tomorrow's Thanksgiving.
And he said, I know.
They went back in the jury room, came back 45 minutes later with a verdict.
Sometimes people just want to go home.
They don't want to go home.
Nobody wanted to miss football in Turkey.
And that happened for those of you overseas.
Thanksgiving's an American holiday.
The fourth Thursday in November.
It's probably our third largest holiday in America.
Third or probably the third largest holiday in America behind Christmas and Easter.
And nobody wants to miss Thanksgiving.
Being stuck in a jury room eating.
God knows what, because there's nothing open.
There's nothing to deliver.
Chinese food, I guess.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it happens.
It happens.
VFT raid inbound.
Oh, we got lots of raids coming in.
Thank you, Baron.
Thank you, Karenia.
Covelli.
Beautiful name.
Karenia.
Really beautiful name.
Thank you.
Very kind of you.
Very kind of you.
Happy to be a part of the grand jury for six months.
Love the opening crisis.
King indeed.
Now you know where the term grand jury comes from.
Good sir.
Or ma'am.
A test is fit.
Ma'am.
Good ma'am.
One of two.
And I'm going to go with the grand jury.
I'm going to go with the grand jury.
Good ma'am.
One of two.
Asking for an abundance of prayers.
My dad passed away two weeks ago.
My mom found out today that her younger sister is nearing her final days.
Oh, Bella Blue, we will pray for you.
Absolutely pray for you.
And just to tech.
Oh, this is not Bella Blue.
Let's see if I can find her.
Two of two.
Real fast.
Two of two.
I'm trying to be strong, but it cuts twice as deep to lose a dad and aunt and watch your
mom endure the pain from losing her husband and sister in one month, I can imagine.
I can imagine.
We'll pray for you and your mom.
Just tech one more on after today.
There will be so many clips where it sounds like the judge and even the prosecution aren't
arguing that he's guilty.
Oswald set up one steroids.
Yeah.
I mean, that's just part of it.
That's part of it.
It's unfortunate, but it's part of it.
It would be dishonest to take anything because the judge then clarified at the end.
He said, none of this means that that the trier of fact would find these facts to be
true.
None of this means that he's guilty.
I still presume he's innocent.
He's innocent until proven guilty.
He's innocent from now until trial.
Like he said all that in an honest commentator would point that out, but they won't, they're
not honest.
We're dealing with bad people, guys, bad people, a Yippee called live.
Well, Yippee.
I'm glad you're here.
I caught a comment.
Usually have to wait till after work at night.
Last few weeks since I got those red lens sleep glasses, Baron recommended.
I kept thinking, geez, why are you wearing the bean paste raw meat hoodie every night?
No, no ma'am.
No ma'am.
That's just your red lenses turning everything red.
And they work.
They work.
They'll put you right to sleep.
Uh, thank you for that.
Kindness.
Uh, my husband, my husband, my hubby asked if I was listening to that Baron fella.
I said, of course I'm breathing.
Ain't I?
Christ is King.
Indeed.
Is the Pope still Catholic?
Do bears still do do in the woods?
Uh, that's Bella Beck, uh, your favorite humble host, Nellie and Travis from Lacey, Washington.
Thank you.
Nellison, Travis, Nellie and Travis, very kind, uh, Miami vice soundtrack cassette taught
me Miranda rights.
1985.
That's good.
Miami vice was a great show.
Great show.
Uh, Hey band.
I'm not the same age as you.
Shh.
I won't tell anyone.
Anyways.
I appreciate you and Daisy.
I hope you're staying safe.
The shady bunch is scary.
That is all.
Oh, shady.
Indeed.
The shady, but do, do, do, do the shady, but do, do, do Baron AK has been stress eating
from me.
Go max crisis.
Uh, yes, he, he is getting big as a house.
Do we need to go back and watch that clip again from diligent, but at least his suit fits.
I gotta give him credit.
The man, the man finally went home and got his own suit.
Did you say big as a house?
Oh yeah.
He's big as a house.
He's blocking, he's blocking out the sun.
What do you say?
Never that I've never said that.
I love that.
Well, I mean, let's be honest.
It's funny.
Look at the screen.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
I love that.
Look at the screen.
He's built.
Oh, he's put on a bill.
How many elbows is he packed on 40, 50.
If you're standing behind him, it's like a solar eclipse every day.
Look at that.
He's gotten big.
Maybe he's working out.
Maybe he's, maybe he's working out.
Someone said that he looked like he had his cheeks clenched when he was walking in.
Well, I mean, do you disagree?
Like why was his mouth like that?
Yeah.
Probably because he saw diligent that diligence was the one filming this.
He saw what diligent did to smoke boys.
Like you're the guy who ruined my plan.
It's a nice fit and suit though.
For being honest, it's right at the shoulder.
Nice lapel size.
This is a good suit.
Contrast that to what he was wearing in Athens, Georgia.
Not even close.
Was that Ryan Harris?
Was that Ryan Heffelbein from Liberty University standing for Freedom Center behind AK?
Spelling ain't my thing.
Love you, B.
I don't know.
I don't know that I know who Mr. Heffelbein is.
Uh, Ryan Heffelbein.
Heffelbein.
Oh yeah.
It looks like him.
Wait a minute.
Is he at Liberty?
Heffelbein, Virginia.
Lynchburg, Virginia.
I'm not going to tell you why I find that so interesting.
But you may have just solved something I've been curious about.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Officer Tater Tot was there.
He was interviewed outside the courthouse right after Charlie's parents arrived.
I did not know.
I did not know Officer Tater Tot.
Mama.
I'm at court.
Mama.
Blessings and thanks to all the great podcasters that I only know of because of Baron Coleman.
You kept me alive and thoroughly entertained on my 33-hour drive from University of Utah home to Georgia.
Just kidding.
it was 30 hours oh 33 hours i got uh empty nester now bays you save me at 3 a.m live streaming
crisis king indeed bays owns that light that late slot and i'll tell you what he helps me go to sleep
a lot i don't want to tell him that because i don't want him to think i think he's boring that's
not it i'm just tired of the night but i'll put in one earbud i'll lay down and then i'll find
myself in the middle of the night wake up and he's still going i have to take my earbud out put it
and go right back to sleep uh but yeah bays bays is killing that late night slot i don't know if
he's going to keep that slot or what he's going to do but man he's getting good audiences and
he's funny keeps me going that late he is so animated you guys think i get animated on a mic
that guy goes bananas crisis king indeed uh baron on ss when you're going to court
you're gonna bring your fundraisers yeah stacy sheridan stacy i'm modestly dressed
stacy sheridan might i add modestly dressed much more modestly than in past court appearances
i was in provo today so i swung by the courthouse it was the lunch break i saw kathy nester coming
back with some food from chick-fil-a must have been for time for tyler what if he's like hey can
you run up to the chick-fil-a at oram it's great that's great their kale salad stellar they they
fry their waffle fries just right can you go grab me a bag of it please that's funny chick-fil-a
uh has anyone ever actually seen erica kirk pregnant uh yes i have talked to someone who has
uh wearing my decoy shirt proudly good good i bet you look great in it uh is it legal for the
defense to take information from people like you and candace and look into it without being it
without being submitted to them as tips like could they see something and be and like look into that
yeah of course do anything they want i don't have to submit it to them anywhere they find evidence
they can go man i've put on some wild defenses if i'm being honest the wild defenses do what you got
to do b i have stage four pancreatic cancer and i've been in pain all day your laugh makes my day
i hope you never lose your humbleness christ is king indeed by the way i love you mom well i love
your mom too frankie i'm sorry to hear about your uh your cancer but i'm glad you uh i'm glad you've
at least gotten some relief from us we'll pray for you i know you didn't ask for it but i will
um gosh i'm sorry to hear that sorry to hear that i love your mom though uh quick clarification
why information docket docket one from last september with the preliminary as screening
that follows it info equals how you charge prelim how it's screened need not either or
um yeah that may be it um but the reality is until they have a preliminary hearing it's not official
uh the first to state his case seems right and how let me go back i didn't mean to be dismissive
how that differs from the information i was talking about in the um in the open is that
does not require a preliminary hearing
afterwards so the preliminary hearing in utah is the determining factor whereas in other states
the information itself can be the determining factor uh first to state his case seems right
till another comes and cross-examines him proverbs 18 17 interesting we have a biblical basis ladies
gentlemen edge uh dear sir knowing tonight would be all about tr i changed into my decoy t
please shout nurse casey if we can get the i heart bp
i heart rbp in that link uh nurse casey do you think you could figure that out because i don't
know what she's talking about hey b received my rbp gear today i love it thanks to nurse casey
daisy and you for all the time and work you put in these shows we love it christ is king indeed
thank you thank you uh jury is in baroness wicked smart that's from goodwill hunting
what year was that because that seems like it was like five years ago maybe 10 uh goodwill hunting
i will not comment on the fact that that was
29 years ago that seems like a relatively new movie
29 years ago i was in high school when that came out
okay whatever didn't need that reminder don't look that stuff up in the future
jeez just go with your gut uh wicked smart i'm a psycho eduke
diag and the test you were referencing is the whisk and you were so right i can't believe you
recalled those number sequences from the digit span subtest i don't think you know how long
i studied that stuff and breathed it every day of my life for years
it's been a long time but yeah i um i'll have to brush up on that
if anybody ever wanted to like talk to me seriously about it
but i've got all the information somewhere
in the words of the great david yanetti defense attorney for karen reed in the
opening statement trial one wait for us jesus christ is king
uh edge actually it's a perfect length for night t to include hold please or i'll allow it calling
nurse casey thank you uh nurse casey we need the decoy length t in uh i'll allow it and hold please
because that satisfies the night t stuff guys stop wearing clothes to bed
it's kind of crazy you got a blanket a sheet what more do you need what are you afraid of
what are you scared of you'll sleep better i promise stop it you're not required to leave
your common sense of the door they're definitely listening to our humble host i i heard that line
i heard that line fosbury slop yeah don't tell me about it those fosberries taste like
haha no those were schnozberries
the schnozberries taste like schnozberries uh his monitor battery died just before the fosbury flop
that's great oh boy i can't wait to see the principal show us the footy of the
footage of the fenceberry slop i like these nicknames i'm gonna need a height check on that
railing yeah i believe yes in a filing or in one of the hearings they mentioned that it was about
five feet tall
oh like it was because i remember thinking oh i'm five foot that's a pretty good flop yeah i i'm i'm
pretty confident in that but i will double check maybe we can confirm that tomorrow if i can find
it hey do you like you're only being five feet tall you get a handicapped egg okay that's enough
that's kind of funny that's kind of funny uh flopping onto gravel probably not yeah
yeah flopping onto a gravel surface thank you sir for that visual good day sir baron just want to
say i hope we get some divine intervention very soon the world is so bad this case belongs to the
underworld i don't you know you can pray for it uh you have the best laugh baron daisy you're my
spirit person sincerely you're number one fan from just south of seattle that's just king indeed i
thought south of seattle was water maybe i don't know where seattle is uh did you catch when the
defense referenced the text from tr to lt telling him he was here with mitchell going to turn
himself in the time stamp was 555 wouldn't that line up with the 625 timeline
yes i caught it well now we'll talk about it tomorrow yeah we're gonna talk about the text
tomorrow but that's on the agenda for tomorrow there's a good catch that's on the agenda for
tomorrow we don't want to go into it tonight uh waiting for the old navy commercial with
skinny jeans doing the old fosbury flop paired with a fourth of july tea love you
buh buh buh baron crisis king indeed i don't remember that commercial but it sounds amazing
uh for what i heard from the judge tyler's a sniper as accurate as the american sniper chris kyle
he got into position took the shot and got up to flee in 45 seconds holy smokes what a shot
that's the prosecution's case he's required to believe it if the gun doesn't fit you must acquit
you know how many people i've asked if that a 30 out six in their trousers or they're happy to see
me i mean it's been more than one you got to make sure the right person's on the other side and
they got to know what you're talking about because if not they're gonna be like what bro uh trial to
appease fed slappers possibly not guilty acquittal in the end defense bid it bad today thanks for all
you do baron god bless you crisis king indeed i don't think the defense had a bad day i disagree
with that it feels like they're defending a dead man i'm getting fatigued there's no defense i fear
it's already over
the for all you and team do crisis king indeed i don't think they had a bad day what are what are
what are we complaining about what did we expect uh thanks for explaining today to us hey melanie
crisis king indeed hey melanie uh so a 12-foot spider-man jump just a few minutes after messing
up his spine ribs post fosbury flopping at uvu sounds legit la jolla doesn't stink hi from san
diego crisis king indeed i did not find all of la jolla's
stinky um but la jolla cove rotten garbage smelled bad it was the seals and the sea lions but
they could use some white rain
white rain i haven't heard white rain in so long for those of you who are too young to know
white rain was a like a staple shampoo back in like the 80s y'all still around
still around
there it is that's the one i remember white rain check out this logo
i didn't know you could still buy it i don't use shampoo white rain that's the logo that's the
bottle right there that's the bottle from the 80s that's every house had this bottle right here on
the right these two right there in the middle everyone had those two bottles i'd never went
in a house that didn't have two bottles of white rain if so you were like in rich people territory
the whole world suave or white rain which do you use there was no other shampoo in use
i mean oh uh hi from san diego christ king indeed yeah sorry i forgot where it was
got a white rain nostalgia kick uh is it normal to have all the evidence being based
on mostly hearsay thus far even by utah standard judge felt super impartial at the end
uh for a preliminary yeah probably it's normal to have quite a bit of hearsay
honestly
i mean keep in mind when i when i say that like you're not going to bring a records custodian in
to get a test result in at a preliminary you're just going to put it up and say judge at the
trial we'll get the records custodian but here's the test um but but you would need a records
custodian at the trial you're not just going to be able to put paper in front of somebody
you got to lay the proper foundation even a trained military sniper would have to dial in
his scope before taking a shot so tr is supposed to be better than a military
sniper
so tr is supposed to be better than a military sniper god is good christ is king indeed pray for
erica and all yeah pray for everybody well why would you not pray for everybody
uh my son my five-year-old actually when he's done with his prayers the other night he said
he'll say his prayers for particular people and then at the end of the night he'll say
and i pray for everybody everywhere all over the world so everyone in this audience gets
prayed for every single night by my five-year-old everyone really didn't seem to be overwhelming
positive positive evidence
to determine an official timeline from your prosecution from the prosecution your honor
my b christ is king indeed uh i agree your dirty dancing references always make me giddy
my all-time favorite movie nobody puts baby in a corner love you in this community thank you for
the high iq education you bestow on us baron i it wasn't my favorite movie i liked it i watched it
a ton as a child because my sister loved it she was older so she got to pick what we watched
so i watched that in greece
a lot and i can still quote a lot of them both uh wait second scouting mission what evidence
is there of other scouting missions and can we find alibis for tyler during those times
well it's good questions for the defense i don't know uh is the defense lawyer going through
puberty his voice cracked a few times ha ha well he doesn't look like it everyone stopped
giving attention to psyops like those people focus on the facts i'm very worried about the
pr not making it to trial i i share your concern my b how do we get so far off the path from our
founding fathers set for us how do we fix it when it's gone so astray and gotten so horribly bad
and corrupt i'll tell you the same thing i tell everybody get better every day get better get less
in debt eat better exercise um find your religious community of choice and dive in get better
every single day now get healthier they don't want you being educated and healthy and religious and
they don't want all that they're gonna put out all these psyops telling you that you know
body positivity is great and you know every size is healthy no no no get healthy eat well
um exercise pray fast get religious
get out of debt or carry as little debt as you possibly can this is how you defeat the system
if we're all doing those things they have no control over us uh don't forget to hit that like
button noted yes the gate by the way just so y'all know i went and checked for y'all the new one that
they put up since the since the event is about five foot or a little over the original one that's
built on that roof is
a little bit under four feet people say so three and a half four feet you got to roll over you got
a what is it you have to fosbury flop you got a fosbury flop over it i'm holding them to that i
expect to see a fosbury flop you guys promised me a fosbury flop uh don't forget to hit the like
button i agree hey b one year sober best decision ever i try to put on a face to daisy like i do in
reading a book in my head she looks like julia garner from ozark
i appreciate your hard work absolutely not um let me see here you're gonna garner from oza from oh
i gotta do it from ozark because i'm getting a lot of pictures here i don't look like her okay um i
don't even know that i know exactly what daisy looks like uh but i will i will grant you that i
don't think this is accurate it's not not at all i love ruth um i'm probably is ozark a movie first
of all no i mean uh no it's a show it's a great show um but i meant to say it's a great show um but
no to this girl love this girl uh not that girl no okay fair enough it's not me it's been settled
have you seen ozark no i don't even know what it is oh wow you said it's not a movie it's a tv show
yeah i'll send you it's on it's a netflix series so it's not an internet show
all right it's a streaming show i'm gonna send you're you'd like i'm just sending you the uh
i will never watch it i'll just i mean you can send it to me but i will never watch it
that and 50 first dates all right never watch that either i mean i don't i don't watch a lot
of stuff and if i like i watched a little of the braves game today watch a little of that
uh i don't watch a lot of stuff um thanks so much for being here tonight christ is king indeed yeah
rare tuesday night appearance we don't do it often uh i think the last time i did a tuesday
night show dre dossier yelled at me she's like i go on tuesday nights because you don't go on
tuesday nights i went on tuesday night and all my audience was watching you and i was like
i can't help it sorry um i think it's the first time baron has seen ak and not said he's a good
looking guy the world makes sense it will make sense again i mean he's just fat you know if you
think he's got hope get back on it hey use some of blake's ozempic it'll get you it'll tighten
you up a little bit no actually don't i don't i don't think people should use it uh wait so is
c19 test the same as an hiv test if someone tested positive for c19
had to miss work or pay because of c19 tests could that could there be what would be the
legal ramifications well i can't answer the last question i don't know that um so a c19 test there
were two um both have similarities to cover 19 um to hiv testing uh one is an antibody test um a
rapid result antibody test so it's probably testing for a particular antigen and if it spots that it
assumes you have hiv i never read the test kit for the um cover 19 test i assume it has the same
presumptions
that um that it is merely a presumed positive and it needs to be correlated with clinical
um symptoms i don't know um the the other type is a pcr test that is not at all diagnostic i'm
sorry it's just not and i'm not going to go into that now but but it's not particularly at the
at the numbers in which they were running it it's just not uh please pray for my husband he has
been diagnosed with cns vasculitis diagnosed in january this shows kept me sane while being at
his bedside three months in the hospital and since then at home not responding to chemo what is cns
vasculitis a rare condition that causes inflammation in blood vessels of the brain
and spinal cord wow i'm sorry to hear that um i have i have nothing to say but except i'm sorry
that you're dealing with that and i'm i'm thankful the show provides you some measure of relief
uh we got five members dropping so uh if if a member lands on your head for those that don't
know members that are gifted during the program they're randomly given out to people in the live
chat at the time so five people who are on the live chat at the time that was given out at 8 40
will be granted a membership for the month that gives you access to our member show so you'll be
able to tune in friday and uh and watch our member show now bc the goat who drinks goat water i think
used a lot of people with the goat water tina dropping another mimbo wow uh why is it that lt
family in past years gotten rich somehow no one talks about it uh your humble host has talked
about it i've been they've been vacationing all over the world notice lance hasn't gone with them
all over the world and they open a non-profit interesting interesting uh gifted 10 mimbos
ladies and gentlemen the mimbos are falling out of the sky take advantage take advantage thank you
for that very
generous and kind could it be that curly fries will become non-existent and irrelevant if tpsa
sucks thought she's got nothing to fight since they're with her are you talking about z cohen
you call her curly fries is that because of her hair i don't know maybe maybe i don't think that's
why though i think they're setting up something nefarious that's just my gut instinct and it
terrifies me baron did i hear that the victim's attorney talking about something they filed last
week if so what does that mean
did i miss maybe wrong attorney not sure shout out to nurse casey my decoy shirt is awesome
came today appreciate
you thank you for that um i don't know we'll look i'll let you know tomorrow if something's been
filed we'll go over recent filings as well uh maybe the other two signers were ak and blakey
oh oh now that would be ironic without tpsa's z's organization can't exist in its current form
oh yeah they didn't find something else like march of dimes you know once polio was cured
they had to go on service cure other stuff hey brian you're correct screaming out to the world
scream it out to the world about your safety plan yeah i mean if if you feel like somebody's
going to take you out tell people and then if you get taken out people know where to look
if you don't tell anybody you get taken out nobody knows where to go uh sir baron after
today's hearing will ek's lawyer be able to address the judge or have any objections at
any further hearings yes unfortunately i think he will uh zach costello show ladies gentlemen
i tuned into the zach costello show this morning he and co actually had him on one screen and coach
on the other it was great um he and coach were having a very deep religious discussion it was
beautiful it was beautiful coach had great questions zach had great answers zach had
great questions coach had great answers it was a gorgeous discussion uh i hope they both i hope
they both have that up maybe they'll clip it out and put it out separately because the whole
discussion was great this deserves to be heard i'm so glad baron is covering this z cohen and
on f america are not to be trusted nor cozied up with no good
tpsa might not be headed in the direction the right direction neither are they yeah that's
correct there's something very off about this and um she does she is not to be trusted i do not trust
that woman i don't trust anything that she says and anything that's going on that's something very
nefarious afoot i'm very scared i wouldn't be surprised if eyebrows wasn't behind this petition
to remove erica well maybe are they trying to create an actionable crime on coa
i think so i absolutely think so uh unblank america needs tpsa who's the other major target
for them to exist i mean can't people just be pro something why do you have to be anti something
can't you just be pro pro whatever values it is they espouse why do they have to be anti tpsa
my b what about butch hibbs we need your opinion uh tune in tomorrow i'm going to cover that part
tomorrow i'm sorry i totally let it slip my mind i i got to the hour and a half mark which is where
i usually try to start winding down the program um and i had not yet covered that i will get to
it tomorrow uh baron what are some of the quotes you picked up during the trial that alluded to
people watching our humble host and others well someone named one of them someone named one of
them uh and that was the you're not required to leave your common sense at the door you're not
um another one was the defense i think very adequately pointing out they're not conceding
anything
like we pointed that out time and time again but there were a few others i wrote them down i don't
remember where i don't remember what they were right off the top of my head but there were three
or four times i was like are they watching are they watching this show if you were tr's attorney
would you seek material info from influencers such as you or candace it seems like it'd be a
smart move but not sure if it's frowned upon um i don't think it's frowned upon at all i mean they
could put someone between them get an investigator to reach out to to one of us i i mean i i would
give them what i would tell them is if i provide you anything i will tell them i've done so i will
tell the world i've done it um i will not provide you anything that looks like i'm assisting your
defense and not talk about it so under those circumstances would you like to keep talking
they may not want to at that point maybe because they know i've said that many times that they
don't want to reach out to me but i'm not going to provide and i would do the same thing with
the state if they said you know hey what do you have on this this or this um i'd be happy to turn
it over because i think the state should seek justice not just a conviction of tyler robinson
the state should seek justice and sometimes if they don't believe that they um have the right
person then they should stop prosecuting that person or if they think someone has information
that they might not have the right person they should stop prosecuting that person
if something happens to erica and they try to blame candace you'll probably find erica
in our greatest ally with her buddy einstein that's my opinion
thank you for all you do sir baron why would they go to our greatest ally when they could just go to
palm beach florida uh we love you be at our house but why are you sticking up for or worrying about
ek well because i don't want anything bad to happen to anyone i'm not sticking up for her i
think she's a lousy lousy person with a bad track record uh i think she's a terrible leader of tvsa
i think she's totally unqualified i think she's um dishonest in her presentation of her biography
but i don't want anything bad to happen to her are you i mean that's crazy
i disagree with a lot of people i don't want anything bad to happen to them like physically
bad um so that's not that's not me sticking up for her i am worried about her because i'm a human
being and i don't want bad things to happen to human beings i think anyone that wants something
bad to happen to her is demonic i mean demons hate human life not not god god loves human life
pointing out the absurdity of a situation is the best way to sum up this whole investigation great
show is always
sir very well said thank you uh tyler dna most degraded yet against his skin down leg yeah
that'll be that'll be a question for the dna people could official narrative be a tactic to
stop anything from candace being introduced as evidence at trial as part of her info is false
um i don't i don't think that would have anything to do with it
uh who else did you see in video co show tonight well i mentioned one name i'll cover it tomorrow
i promise i will cover it tomorrow
tomorrow we'll go through the whole video i just didn't have time and kind of forgot but i will get
to it uh combining new petition with sanchez saying we're so blanked while live calling the
destiny podcast upon hearing of ck being unalive interesting yeah very interesting
try intro song on 1.25 x almost has a funky beat noticing all the others have supers with
crisis king we're spreading love
yeah i see that's happening on other uh podcasts now i see that happening it does have a funky beat
even on 1.25 one of one most people don't announce that they only have one but i'll allow it
your excellent insight into this z gal's petition uncovers the double and triple
agents among the plotting state that one might see in good political spy novel
yeah yeah uh please collab with stu peters watch heavy duty country tonight
um i could have steel and stew on a member show um i'd have to tell him to tone it down a little bit
i like stew uh as a as a personal friend i actually like stew quite a lot i talk to him
here and there and uh we'll text back and forth um but his show's a little more
forward than your humble host uh hibs always has phone horizontal and not normal
uh use drones are flown from app on phone horizontal
pro footage taken horizontal personal is vertical if i was filming a scene uh i i would do that i
don't i don't i don't draw any inference on that i'm concerned also these people are crazy and evil
yeah now and i got any i gotta talk to you about something so if you're gonna do
if you're gonna tell me you're doing two it's not one of one and then two of two it's one of
two and then two of two but i'll allow it i'll call it a typo we'll allow it uh we should all
be skeptical
of zebras with tigers spots no matter which org they claim to rep christ is king indeed and we
assert no harm should come to anyone talking about this case including erica yes that's correct
that's correct so what i what i what i took for that is zebras bad tigers good
do tigers have spots they have stripes uh z has said she disagreed with charlie but
respected him but thinks erica is shady dishonest snaky because she's getting
more and more attention and more and more attention so i'm going to tell you what i think
about this and i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit
more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little
bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to
talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because
i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about
her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit
more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a
little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going
to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because
i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about
her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more
about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit
more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little
bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to
talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm
going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because
i'm going to talk a little bit more about her because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her
because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her
because i'm going to talk a little bit more about her
end.
flopping onto gravel jumping off of tall buildings man's incredible my cat's name was miss feather
bottom oh really really no shortage of uh good references uh heavenly father we come to you
seeking protection and truth for everyone looking for answers in this case bring all hidden facts
to light shield all involved from harm and completely expose dismantle devious harmful
plans amen christ is king indeed thank you thank you for that uh for my family yours how cool would
this be if the principal hosts you while i'm attorney leave maybe a rotation with ian you
dave smith just asking for half of earth christ is king indeed i think half of earth would be a
little greedy sir i don't think you need half of earth i have so much respect for you b you have
very strong convictions a man of god through and through well thank you i appreciate that
very kind very kind words
you
there are some questions that i wanted to ask you but i'm not going to go through all of them
because i don't think i'm going to be able to answer any of them but i'm going to go through
all of them because i don't think i'm going to be able to answer any of them but i'm going to go
through all of them because i don't think i'm going to be able to answer any of them but i'm
going to go through all of them because i don't think i'm going to be able to answer any of them
i mean i think there's part of that
but i'm a fan of go do something else like if you have a stated goal to dismantle something
and you dismantle it say hey we're really effective people what else should we tackle
and then go out and get another one go go after heritage foundation go after one of these other
organizations uh stu peters
gave news about butch hibbs and fort watchuka i believe you gifted five memos tina maples
dropping memos all over the place tonight be careful guys they'll hit you in the head when
you're not looking you got to be cautious with all these memos floating around the live chat
tonight would z not want tpsa to thrive if they're basically the reason for their existence what
happens to her organization if tpsa fails well even if that's the the sole reason she's requesting
that i think that's horrible that means she's not going to be able to do anything about it
that means that means she's an anti-person she's not a pro person she's an anti-person don't define
yourself being anti be pro something a big clarify from last week boat cleat foot injury cleat is
raised metal part to wrap ropes for tie up no damage to boat just foot today's my 13th anniversary
1958 chris craft commander for sale oh your foot is still injured well i'm glad to know there's not
a hole in the boat because i wouldn't want to buy a boat
with a hole in the boat it's a beautiful boat we pulled a picture of my b i'm requesting you put
your dad hat on a lot of been in my mind lately in a world full of hate i want to believe they're
still good in this world any positive messages love you mucho uh shy yeah there's a lot of
positive messages there's a ton of wonderful things i don't want to sit here and list them
all but you know when you when you get to feeling down go make yourself better
go make yourself better i'm a big visualizer positive present tense
first person tell yourself what you want to be i am that you want to be a world famous architect i
am a world famous architect how do they act you'll start acting like one you'll go to architecture
school you'll start studying how to draw lines i don't know what architects do i mean
window door i'm a world famous architect uh you'll start i mean just start to tell yourself what you
are i'm fit i'm trim i'm in shape i eat well say it a hundred times a day i bet you'll start being
that nine months sober as of today congratulations speaking of this is someone who's making
better every day and this time i started my own business started creating content on
tt going back to school full-time and continued raising my beautiful seven-year-old daughter as
a single mom christ is king and all credit to him for everything you sound like you've
taken the world by the horns good for you congratulations thank you for the membership
yeah someone got a mimbo dropped on their head concern that something is brewing someone on an
x space said he knows of an upcoming lawsuit against candace they want to bankrupt her like
they did alex jones thoughts thanks christ is king indeed i gave my thoughts on that last night i
gave my thoughts on that last night i gave my thoughts on that last night oj defense have tyler
oj defense have tyler
oj defense have tyler put gun in pants if it doesn't fit you must
put gun in pants if it doesn't fit you must
put gun in pants if it doesn't fit you must acquit
careful with that strategy might fit
careful with that strategy might fit
careful with that strategy might fit i don't think it will fit but am i
i don't think it will fit but am i
i don't think it will fit but am i gonna be careful yeah no it's not going
gonna be careful yeah no it's not going
gonna be careful yeah no it's not going to uh candace showed vid today we're
to uh candace showed vid today we're
to uh candace showed vid today we're asked if anyone knows about guy with
asked if anyone knows about guy with
asked if anyone knows about guy with pink hat in back but there's a dude
pink hat in back but there's a dude
pink hat in back but there's a dude sitting in front of shot big guy full
sitting in front of shot big guy full
sitting in front of shot big guy full beard with a tripod next to him
beard with a tripod next to him
beard with a tripod next to him do we know who he is
do we know who he is
do we know who he is no
no
no not off the top of my head because i
not off the top of my head because i
not off the top of my head because i don't know what you're talking about
don't know what you're talking about
don't know what you're talking about got the favorite maroon shirt for my
got the favorite maroon shirt for my
got the favorite maroon shirt for my husband he loves it i sent you an email
husband he loves it i sent you an email that captures his shenanigans wearing it
that captures his shenanigans wearing it
that captures his shenanigans wearing it hope you see it
hope you see it
hope you see it thank you for all you do i'll take a
thank you for all you do i'll take a
thank you for all you do i'll take a look
look
look uh on x you sh on x showed perfectly
uh on x you sh on x showed perfectly
uh on x you sh on x showed perfectly how sb manipulated the steakhouse
how sb manipulated the steakhouse
how sb manipulated the steakhouse owner's worlds
owner's worlds
owner's worlds even saw cute onion avatars of
even saw cute onion avatars of
even saw cute onion avatars of you and daisy
you and daisy
you and daisy crispy shabbat i'm gonna check this out i'd like to see myself as an onion
i'd like to see myself as an onion
i'd like to see myself as an onion uh
uh
uh crispy
crispy
crispy shabbat
uh okay it seems like it's back too far
uh okay it seems like it's back too far
uh okay it seems like it's back too far they do a lot of onion work i see
they do a lot of onion work i see
they do a lot of onion work i see yeah i can't find it um
yeah i can't find it um
yeah i can't find it um but i did see something interesting
but i did see something interesting
but i did see something interesting hold on
hold on
hold on this is the woman who confronted billy
this is the woman who confronted billy
this is the woman who confronted billy web and said hey billy you should really
web and said hey billy you should really
web and said hey billy you should really stick to telling the truth we'd
stick to telling the truth we'd
stick to telling the truth we'd appreciate it as if we as we were
appreciate it as if we as we were
appreciate it as if we as we were leaving the courtroom after the hearing
leaving the courtroom after the hearing
leaving the courtroom after the hearing today
today
today she was oh i know exactly who this is
she was oh i know exactly who this is
she was oh i know exactly who this is did this happen
this happened
this happened
this happened you guys will recognize this person i'm
you guys will recognize this person i'm
you guys will recognize this person i'm surprised diligent doesn't
surprised diligent doesn't
surprised diligent doesn't this from diligent denizen today
this from diligent denizen today you guys know who that is
you guys know who that is
you guys know who that is i'll give you a hint if you don't know
i'll give you a hint if you don't know
i'll give you a hint if you don't know no botox in that face no baby no botox
no botox in that face no baby no botox
no botox in that face no baby no botox no girl
no girl
no girl gone girl
gone girl
gone girl anti-botite
anti-botite
anti-botite uh but she didn't comment on the face
uh but she didn't comment on the face
uh but she didn't comment on the face may or may not have had facelifts
may or may not have had facelifts
may or may not have had facelifts uh this is
uh this is
uh this is what billy had to say just had the
what billy had to say just had the
what billy had to say just had the absolute just most absolute bizarre
absolute just most absolute bizarre
absolute just most absolute bizarre experience right after exiting the
experience right after exiting the
experience right after exiting the courtroom one of eric's female friends
courtroom one of eric's female friends
courtroom one of eric's female friends confronted me semi-aggressively
confronted me semi-aggressively
confronted me semi-aggressively double tapped my arm and said hey billy
double tapped my arm and said hey billy
double tapped my arm and said hey billy you should really stick to telling the
you should really stick to telling the
you should really stick to telling the truth we'd appreciate it if anybody
truth we'd appreciate it if anybody
truth we'd appreciate it if anybody wants me to help identify her dark
wants me to help identify her dark brown hair way too much lip filler
eyebrows in the middle of her forehead
eyebrows in the middle of her forehead
eyebrows in the middle of her forehead um think purge mask vibes and 50 to 60
um think purge mask vibes and 50 to 60
um think purge mask vibes and 50 to 60 years old oh she's not gonna like that
years old oh she's not gonna like that
years old oh she's not gonna like that at all
at all
at all i have a photo of the back of her
i have a photo of the back of her
i have a photo of the back of her walking with the security guards oh
walking with the security guards oh
walking with the security guards oh she's not gonna like that at all billy
she's not gonna like that at all billy
she's not gonna like that at all billy no no no no no
i don't disagree
probably closer to 60 if i had to guess
probably closer to 60 if i had to guess
probably closer to 60 if i had to guess how old is tracy martin
how old is tracy martin
how old is tracy martin let's see if we can find it out here
let's see if we can find it out here
let's see if we can find it out here tracy martin
tracy martin
tracy martin uh
uh
uh how old are you girl what are you hiding
how old are you girl what are you hiding
how old are you girl what are you hiding with all those uh
with all those uh
with all those uh you know
what are you hiding
what are you hiding
what are you hiding oh gosh i gotta know the answer to this
oh gosh i gotta know the answer to this
oh gosh i gotta know the answer to this hold on oh i know her other name
hold on oh i know her other name
hold on oh i know her other name i'm not gonna say it out loud but she
i'm not gonna say it out loud but she
i'm not gonna say it out loud but she may be under another name
there we go i bet she's under this name
there we go i bet she's under this name
there we go i bet she's under this name i don't think maybe martin's a real name
i don't think maybe martin's a real name
i don't think maybe martin's a real name but
but
but i know i found her under this other name
i know i found her under this other name
i know i found her under this other name before
before
before um
um
um my goodness there's a lot of you
huh
huh
huh i'm gonna find the answer guys i gotta
i'm gonna find the answer guys i gotta
i'm gonna find the answer guys i gotta know now
um
um
um i'll find it and let you know later
i'll find it and let you know later
i'll find it and let you know later if she's in her 60s she's going to puke
if she's in her 60s she's going to puke
if she's in her 60s she's going to puke that she said 50 to 60 years old
she's hiding it she's trying to hide it
she's hiding it she's trying to hide it
she's hiding it she's trying to hide it anyway that's what the lip filler and
anyway that's what the lip filler and
anyway that's what the lip filler and the facelifts do
the facelifts do
the facelifts do um
um
um that's great
wearing the same color you wore over
wearing the same color you wore over
wearing the same color you wore over the weekend
maybe he has good taste in ties
maybe he has good taste in ties
maybe he has good taste in ties how do you know what color i wore i
how do you know what color i wore i
how do you know what color i wore i second a mrs coleman cookbook please
second a mrs coleman cookbook please
second a mrs coleman cookbook please so i had a great idea for a cookbook
so i had a great idea for a cookbook
so i had a great idea for a cookbook when i was younger i was going to call
when i was younger i was going to call
when i was younger i was going to call it cooking with cans
it cooking with cans
it cooking with cans when we were first married we were very
when we were first married we were very
poor and uh and actually went through a couple of periods of our life where we were very poor
and uh i became an expert at cooking with cans i could make all kinds of stuff i made a great
crab bisque with canned food canned uh the cheap two dollar can crab meat a little paste picani
salsa a can of uh uh alfredo sauce and a can of ragu fresh italian pasta sauce it was great
it was phenomenal it was phenomenal it was cheap too cooking with cans uh where would the case go
if lance was removed from this earth a lot of evidence appears to rely on the word of lance
is he in danger thank you um no i think the fed sloppers do anything they can to keep him alive
where has roll that bit of beautiful bean footage been a hot minute crisis king indeed i asked that
question earlier i don't know this is a high jump a high jump iq outfit no way in the hell
he fosbury
flop.
for that. He would have the biggest
Dwight Stones ever.
Great show. Thank you. I agree.
Shia's back. My BBB.
Alan Jackson, the lawyer from Los Angeles.
Karen Reeds. Yeah, okay.
I thought he spelled it differently, but I could be wrong.
I believe you. Man, Tina's still dropping
Mimbos on people. Y'all be careful out there.
It's raining Mimbos.
Crisis KKD for my two favorite attorneys,
you and Hoop. Who is Hoop?
I believe you.
So, sorry I'm late.
What you say about common law?
What say you about common law grand juries?
Our community is having classes to establish them
in this area, Bonham, Texas. I've learned that
I can't serve because
I'm an elected precinct chair in my county.
That must be something Texas
has. Over here from VFT.
Do you think this kid will walk, be
taken out or convicted?
For a CK death, I don't see a positive
outcome for him either way.
I think walking's a long shot.
I don't know.
I don't know what the evidence of the defense is saying.
Must watch the Dre dossier's
Charlie Kirk data machine, a whole new level of how deep
sick the FBI could be. Also,
Tucker out FBI on
Butler.
I did watch that episode.
Which tail numbers are coming to Sherman, Texas?
Specific airport, Sherman or
North Texas regional?
Sent email with a few tips regarding
I live in Sherman.
Can I help?
I'm not going to say that publicly, what tail numbers.
Let me
look at the airport, I'll tell you.
North Texas
regional.
Yeah, that's
interesting. Thank you.
I'll look for that email.
Thanksgiving memory.
It was a packed Waffle House.
It was a packed Waffle House in the backwoods of North Carolina
after days of Helene relief work.
It was perfect.
It's not the meal, though. I love football.
It's the posture of thanks.
Oh, you're saying Thanksgiving.
Yes, I'm a big Thanksgiving fan.
I like Thanksgiving.
Thank you for your opinion on the petition.
I wasn't aware who was behind it.
I've removed my signature and unsubscribed.
I'm not a Z fan.
Well, it was at the bottom of the petition.
It said right at the bottom that Z Cohen's the one.
He did it. Thank you, Tina.
The girls are her fund rate.
Not saying she's ever used the girls to raise funds.
Off topic, but dark matter
may just have been detected.
Lux Zeppelin experiment research just released today.
I don't buy it for a second.
But I've got it pulled up,
so I will check it out after the show.
After the show.
Dark matter is a myth, in my opinion.
I'll look it up.
Bee saying hoochie coochies better than cocktail weenies.
Okay.
My bee.
I'm very sorry I'm late.
I'm very late.
And so sorry to you and our high IQ family.
Much love, prayers, and blessings to each one of you.
Christ is King, and Jesus loves all of us.
Indeed, he does.
Holly, we'll allow the lateness this one time.
Brandon, did you notice the state's attorney
referred to Hodor Kozak as the questioner
at least three times?
I did, but that's what he was.
The questioner.
Hey, Bee, tried to send this earlier,
but somehow didn't go through.
What quotes that came out of that trial
alluded to our humble host and others?
I thought I answered that a few minutes ago.
I don't claim to know it all,
but this case has shown just how many people
don't know or understand how the court system works.
That's correct.
That's correct.
That's why I did a little grand jury opening.
I'll do a little more educational stuff as we go.
Regarding Erica, it's weird to say 288
on the petition, considering what PC-288
is in California.
It's the PDF file charge.
Well, I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Salon Selectives.
Much love, Bee.
Blessings.
Stay true.
I will.
Discord shows the timestamps of recipient.
Andy Lou's sub.
Believe you.
I use Flex Shampoo.
And gee, your hair smells terrific.
I want to live in 1985 again.
Love you and day.
I'll wear a pair of Jordache jeans to say you.
That's what you want to wear.
I remember Jordache.
That's before everybody switched to guess.
All the players at TPSA are in danger.
Not just Erica.
Now that our greatest ally is in control of it,
they fall under the Hannibal directive.
Well, I don't think they're going to be
launching missiles in Phoenix,
but you never know.
You never know.
100% agree with you on the fed up regarding Erica and
future lawsuits, speech laws in coming.
Pray for C O and truth seekers.
Pray indeed.
Pray indeed.
White rain was the go-to, but if you never use Prell,
you weren't SoCal in the seventies.
I am familiar with Prell's game.
I'm very familiar.
Wasn't Paul Mitchell was another one.
That's what, that's what like the rich people use back then.
Paul Mitchell.
Yeah.
If you use Paul Mitchell, you knew there was some money
hiding in there.
That's what, that's what, that's what the rich people used back
then.
Paul Mitchell.
Yeah.
Paul Mitchell.
Yeah.
If you use Paul Mitchell, that you knew there was some money
hiding around somewhere.
They use real silver for their silver one.
Everybody else had like stainless steel coated, a flimsy stuff, but
the people with Paul Mitchell, man, you picked up their fork.
You're like, whoa, normally smoke about half a pack, but I've only
had five today.
I've been getting better, praying more and reading the word.
Christ is King.
Indeed.
Tabitha keep at it.
Keep at it every day.
Give.
You better people who are well off.
Use Vidal Sassoon on fact, the Dow got paid for 5,000 paid $5,000
for one haircut in 67 for a movie.
I did not know that.
Uh, yeah.
And they used VO five, hot oil treatment.
You remember that?
When's the last time someone used a VO five, hot oil treatment.
And what the hell did it even do?
What did it even do?
And why do I need hot oil in my hair?
That was for the rich people.
They knew they knew something.
I didn't know with their V Dow Sassoon and their VO five, hot oil treatment.
Ooh, maybe it's Maybelline.
Uh, AK seems to have aged like 10 years.
Almost like the guilt is eating at him.
I don't know about guilt, but I will say this.
I think what he's doing to Candace is so bad and he knows it.
I, I, I'm not going to speak out of school, but
Candace could burn him to the ground.
If she wanted to, uh, gifted 10 members, Tina Maples, you're out of control.
You're going to harm someone, Tina.
You're going to harm someone.
All these memberships fallen.
Someone's going to get hurt out of here.
Someone's going to get hurt.
And thank you.
You have been so kind today.
Thank you.
Uh, tree for Tilly plus one for having stew on.
Okay.
I haven't done that yet.
You're an amazing human.
Mrs.
Coleman is a, what is that?
A frog?
A frog lady?
No, she's not a frog lady.
Let me zoom in real quick.
Oh, that's a, um, a four leaf clover.
She's a lucky lady.
I'll remind her in about 30 minutes when I get out of this room, Mrs.
Coleman, you're a lucky lady.
Such dumb typos.
I meant to say leopard getting late for this gal.
Great show as always.
I thought tigers had stripes, but you never can tell.
Uh, who, what can protect TR from getting Einstein?
Um, the Utah County sheriff is the only one I know.
Uh, Baron, how does the VP at Charlie's Memorial call TR a murderer?
And then all the influencers coming out of court saying the evidence is
overwhelming and Don jr.
Sitting with a key K effect, potential jurors.
Um, well, the ideal, the idea is.
You find an impartial jury.
You ask if anyone's seen any of this stuff.
If so, has it affected you?
I mean, that's the only way to mitigate AK got that donor money.
Oh, you mean he's eating?
Well, look like it.
It's like he's on pasta, but he dial it back.
Time to go carnivore for a little while.
You know what I mean?
Uh, well, president Trump pardon TR like Erica Kirk did.
Uh, he can't, he does not have pardon power over, uh, Utah.
So he's not going to be able to do anything.
He's going to be able to do anything.
I'm going to be able to do anything.
I would go with a jury trial on this, 100%.
New fan from Crossville, Tennessee.
Oh, that's not far from here.
If I yell out, can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
You're not far.
Tell me, let me know if you heard that.
Howdy, Baron.
Yesterday, ooh, excuse me.
Yesterday, Candace said maternity leave in six weeks.
You also said you'd be gone in six weeks.
Did I say that?
Might you be sitting in while she's away?
Not on that day.
I don't know.
Owen Benjamin on C.
We should do a conspiracy morning show called on C.
What is C?
The Baron and the Bear.
And the weather copter keeps being accused of being a shill.
I don't know what the weather copter thing means.
I'm not going to do a morning show.
The mornings when I'm, like, that's my time with my family, my wife.
That's when I work out in the morning.
I can't do a morning show.
Get out of your mind.
I'll be on the air all day.
A voice only has so many hours a week in it.
I'm already pushing it.
Regarding petition, not saying your hunch is wrong.
It could also be that her organization hitched to TPSA surviving.
Her funding goes if they go away.
Yeah, I mean, I see that part of it.
But still, again, be for something.
Don't just exist to be against something.
That's garbage.
And this is what I see.
This is what I see happening in politics right now.
Every time I raise concerns about Trump and the war in Iran
and how it's harming electoral prospects for November,
everybody says, well, the other side's worse.
Sorry, that's not how I vote.
I don't vote against people.
I vote for people.
Give me something to vote for.
I'll vote for you.
Don't.
I won't.
Crispy Shabbat meme of you two is super cute.
Post eight four days ago.
Pull it up.
I tried.
I couldn't find it.
Love what you do, Baron.
Thank you.
What do you think informed the judge about the online bets being placed?
I know you can bet on anything in the USA,
but have you ever seen this on DP case?
I've never seen a death penalty case on a betting site,
but these betting sites are relatively new,
and I'm not sure we've had a high-profile death penalty case in a while.
But I don't know what informed him.
But I think it's wrong.
I think it's totally wrong, and they should take it down.
Give everybody their money back.
You shouldn't be betting on people dying.
That's horrible.
Horrible.
Zubaz, huge in the 90s.
Did you own some?
I never did.
Those were those kind of like tiger stripe pants.
I never did.
All the NFL.
Teams had their version, and I was a Colts fan,
and they were just blue and white.
They weren't that exciting.
Like if you were a Bills fan at that red, white, and blue going,
or a Bengals fan, and you had that orange and black and white going.
Yeah, those were dope.
Yeah.
But you know, my Benjamin Owen super should have said X, not C.
Oh, that's what X was.
That's what C was.
June 2, 2025.
Tracy posted IG about her 60th.
Well, then Billy gave her a compliment by saying 50 to 60.
She's 61, huh?
Doesn't look a day over 60.
Okay, I feel called out.
I used white rain while wearing Jordache jeans.
That just means you were cool in the 80s.
I'll throw in a welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
Good old days.
Those were good old days.
Man, that would be fun to go back to like 1987 for about a week.
Listen to Poison and Guns N' Roses on the radio.
Listen to MTV play The Sweet Child of Mine.
This is a true story.
I sent a handwritten letter in like third or fourth grade to MTV saying,
hey, I really like this Guns N' Roses song called Sweet Child of Mine.
And I know you guys always overplay these songs and you wear them out
and then nobody likes them anymore.
Can you not play it so often?
They didn't listen.
They played it three times an hour and it burned itself out.
18,000 likes, 18,000 watching at this moment.
Wow.
That's a good reminder.
If you haven't liked the program yet, now's your chance.
Other than Candace's brief mention,
I haven't heard anything about Luna being misspelled when the actual furry is Luna.
Hopefully it'll come out in trial.
Doesn't seem like a mistake Tyler or Lance would make.
I think there's a presumption in there that Lance spelled it that way.
I don't know furry culture well enough to know.
Candace, baby name prediction, Charlie Barron.
Now, I will say this.
It never dawned on me that she might do something like that, except keep in mind,
George's father is a Barron, technically a Barron.
Now, I'm not, you know, it could happen,
but not named after your humble host, named after her father-in-law.
I'm not going to push for it.
I'm not going to make a suggestion.
Charles Barron Farmer has a great sound to it.
Charles Barron Farmer.
Barron Charles Farmer.
That actually sounds better.
Uh, Bodie on tap.
I still search eBay for dead stock.
I still have my orange tag Levi's and Gerbeau jeans.
No questions today.
Maurice Francois Gerbeau.
If you had a shirt like that, you were wealthy.
That was not like, that was not middle-class fair.
I need an update on trip to heaven.
You had with Kirkland alkaline water flowing down your throat.
Missing out, sir.
Uh, I don't know what that means.
I wish I knew what that means, but I don't know what that means.
Oh, you're asking if I've tried it yet.
I've not yet had a chance to try it.
I haven't been to Costco yet.
I haven't been to Costco, but I do know that, uh, we had a wonderful night tonight.
We'll be back tomorrow.
Probably.
I would like to do a true matinee show tomorrow.
If I can, uh, have to be on by one or two tomorrow.
Um, got some stuff going on in the afternoon that I think it would be
helpful for me to do a matinee show, but stay tuned.
It may be tomorrow night.
We'll see.
I know when I always announce it this late.
It's 10:40 God's time.
When I announced this late, we're doing a matinee the evening.
People were like, no, if I announced during the day, I'm doing a matinee.
Then the daytime people like, yay.
Can't please all the people all the time.
Uh, but I'll let you know, I'll keep you up to date.
Uh, we'll do a show tomorrow.
One way or the other.
Um, I hope you've had a wonderful time.
I hope you've hit the like button and subscribed.
And if you are, if you want to join the members, you can click the join button.
Uh, if you join from a browser again, not the app, it's saves you three bucks a month.
There's no brainer.
Um, so go ahead and check all that out.
And, um, while you're doing that, you need to remember Jesus loves you.
Jesus loves you.
Um, nothing can separate you from that reality.
So get better every day, uh, live in a way that honors him.
Cause he's coming back one day.
He's coming back one day.
Um, I hope you guys, uh, have a wonderful night and I will talk to you manana.
Have a good night, everybody.
Thank you.
Podcast Summary
Key Points:
The defense unexpectedly pleaded not guilty in the Tyler Robinson case, surprising many observers despite expectations of a delay or further deliberation.
The host criticizes the prosecution’s speculative claims—such as the gun being concealed in pants or the use of a screwdriver—highlighting a lack of concrete evidence and calling them unsupported inferences.
A key concern raised is the absence of specific evidence linking Tyler Robinson to hate speech from Charlie Kirk, with the defense arguing that such claims are overreaching and poorly contextualized, even if general hostility was expressed.
Summary:
The host of a televised legal analysis breaks down the Tyler Robinson case, focusing on procedural and evidentiary issues revealed during a preliminary hearing. He emphasizes the lack of concrete evidence supporting the prosecution’s claims, such as the alleged use of a screwdriver to assemble a gun or the presence of a firearm concealed in Robinson’s pants. The defense is noted for not offering specific evidence of Robinson reacting to Charlie Kirk’s controversial statements, instead making broad claims about political or social hostility that lack specificity.
The host criticizes both sides for speculative assertions, arguing that the prosecution’s narrative relies on unverified inferences and that the defense’s arguments, though cautious, still contain misleading framing. A central point is the absence of a grand jury in this case, which the host explains is a constitutional requirement for federal felonies but is not universal across states, with Utah opting for a preliminary hearing. This hearing, though adversarial and transparent, creates a public transcript that locks witnesses into their testimony, offering potential for impeachment at trial.
The host also raises serious concerns about a petition to remove Erica Kirk from leadership of TurnPoint USA, expressing deep unease about its origin and implications. Ultimately, the analysis underscores how criminal proceedings are shaped by public scrutiny, political narratives, and the tension between procedural fairness and speculative claims. The host insists that while the case lacks definitive proof, the procedural inconsistencies and overreaching statements warrant critical scrutiny before a trial proceeds.
FAQs
The U.S. Constitution requires a grand jury for federal felony prosecutions, but some states, like Utah, allow preliminary hearings instead. This process, which is more adversarial and transparent, was used in this case, even though it deviates from the traditional grand jury system.
A grand jury is a secret, community-based panel that investigates and can issue an indictment. An information is a charging document signed by a prosecutor. A preliminary hearing is an open, adversarial court proceeding where the defendant is present, can cross-examine witnesses, and the judge determines probable cause.
The hearing featured both prosecution and defense summations, with evidence presented by witnesses. The defense challenged the prosecution’s claims, particularly regarding the gun, the screwdriver, and Charlie Kirk’s statements, and emphasized the lack of specific evidence linking Tyler Robinson to the crime.
No, the defense did not concede these facts. They argued that the prosecution’s claims were speculative and unsupported by evidence, such as the absence of proof showing how the gun was assembled or concealed in his pants.
The prosecution claimed Charlie Kirk made hateful statements, but the defense noted no specific statements were presented linking Tyler Robinson to those views. The defense argued that the claim was vague and lacked concrete evidence.
The reference to the Fosbury flop was used critically to question the plausibility of Tyler Robinson leaping over a railing with a gun in his pants. The defense argued that such a feat is implausible and that the prosecution failed to show footage of this event, raising doubts about the narrative.
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