‘Two for the Money’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Cousin Sal

>> The rewatchables brought to you by the ringer podcast network. You can find the watch with CR, Chris Ryan. How are you? >> I'm doing great, man. Good to see you. >> Tape in this right after a tough Eagles loss or nothing, you lost to the Dallas Cowboys. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. We ranges way ahead of time. Not realizing there'd be a controversial Cowboys Eagles game. >> We knew. Back in the shame tunnel. Deep down we knew. And you were text to me. Go after yourself, your team sucks. I was like, well, well, hold on. Let's see how this turns out. >> Yes, that's exactly what happened. >> Sal, we're together on Sunday night serving football season. We're on the ringer gambling show as well. We've known each other for a long time. We've only been on a couple of rewatchables. >> I'm intimidated by this. I told you. >> I don't like to play the Sal Card too often. >> Yeah. >> Has to be. The last time you were on was back to the future too. >> Right, yeah. >> We talked about Biff Sports Almanac, CR, you've been circling too for the money. I don't remember the first time he texted me about it, but it's been a while. >> And we also just, I'm gambling again, has been a battle cry of this podcast for a long time. >> Yeah. And we are gambling again, too, for the money is next. >> This episode is presented by PayPal. Let's talk holiday shopping. From now through December 8th, you can get 20% cash back when you pay in four with PayPal. No fees, no interest. This limited time offer is perfect for the Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals you've been applying. Save the offer in the app now, whether it's a must-have toy or even a tiered cheeseboard. PayPal helps you make the most of your money this holiday. Expires 1208, see PayPal.com/promo-term-subject-approval. Learn more at PayPal.com/payinfor. PayPal Inc. NMLS 910457. [MUSIC] >> Two for the money came out 20 years ago on Columbus Day. What a terrible idea. >> [LAUGH] >> Why would they release this movie in Columbus Day weekend? >> Trying to think, is there a worse sports weekend other than like first weekend of March Madness. Italian, boiler room, mafia, you know, backdoor dealings gambling. I could kind of work. Columbus Day. >> Wait a second. >> You're just going to do the lead from your page, too, Colin, from 20 years ago. >> I was reading it. First of all, for God, I wrote about the movie. I've hit the point of my life right. I was reading it like somebody else wrote it. >> That was great. >> You were a great writer. >> Okay, you were. >> You didn't know him back then. >> You got to trust me. He was really, really good. >> No, I read it. >> I read it. >> I read it. I'm going to play dress pieces of it for this podcast. >> I was thinking about the post-Rounders era, though. So, Randers comes out late '90s, and then eventually at some point, everyone starts taking cracks at these different sports movies TV shows. We have Tilt, their friends' compliment and Levine, that's on ESPN, playmakers, two for the money, fever pitch, Friday night lights. There's a million Disney movies like The Rookie, Miracle, all those toll and robin movies that were out, like Varsity Blues, Summer Catch. It was like the sports content frenzy. Everyone was trying to crack the code. >> Right. >> Sal, sports gambling, which by this time you and I had known each other for a couple years. >> Yes. >> There's a sports gambling movie coming out with McConaughey and Pacino. We're excited. >> Pretty great. And yeah, you talked about all those other movies and just, yeah, it requires to feel full teams and full stadiums and everything else. And this was basically shot in one office for like 75 percent of the movie. >> With the old USFL highlights, who knew the USFL was going to be the most important thing that ever happened to contact? >> I know. It really was the best, the only good thing about it. Yeah, I can't watch too much of it, though. It's so disingenuous. >> The sports gambling? >> No, no. Just the non-descript jerseys and it's tough when you don't get the rights, and you're just watching Tampa versus Oakland in the big game. >> Yeah. Well, they didn't get the rights. Nobody can get the rights to Super Bowl. Super Bowl with four X's. Super 40. Super XXXXX. They tried to do that. So Friday night lights work the best out of all of these. Did any of these other ones work? >> It's interesting that you're categorizing it as post-rounders. Because I think that this movie has a lot of that in its DNA. And then I think it has a fair amount of Jerry McGuire in terms of this kind of side story within the world of sports that you don't know that much about. So obviously McGuire is about the world of being a sports agent. This is about the world of gambling, but specifically, and it's both what's the best and the worst. And we're probably going to get into this, but a very specific kind of sports gambling culture, which isn't betting, it's touting. >> Right. We got to do this now. I think it's an age the best then an age the worst, because this is what we grew up with in the 90s with these shows. And I wrote in that page 2 column I wrote about when I lived with my buddy Jeff, best man in my wedding. We would watch the sports advisors every week. And it was Stu Feiner, Jack Price. It was like, we didn't have unintentional root, Jim Feist, Larry Coker. >> We didn't have the internet to embrace the unintentional comedy. So as far as Jeff and I knew, we were the only two people on the planet who thought this was funny. And they would go, they would cut to, was a price would be like, I'm here in Vegas. And but he was clearly in a green screen. Stu Feiner was a maniac. And these guys would all be like, call my nut right now. And I got, I got the lock of the year. And it really was like this. So this movie, the best part of this movie is it captures exactly what that was like. I wish it had done more. >> There are two things I remember, like they happened yesterday in my life about watching football and being a football fan when I was a little kid. One is on Sundays, my mom would be like, you can watch football for as long as you want, but you got to do errands with me in the morning. So we would go out, usually in New Jersey, from Philadelphia to do food shopping and whatever else. And I would be like on a couple of them might have to go to a helper, but sometimes I could sit in a car and just listen to the radio all morning on IP. I remember it being a sports advisor going through the games, going through his picks. And all of it was on turf after Black Friday, after like a Republican president has been elected. He's oh and five. Smash the over, you know, and it's just like these guys with these complete mythological advice. That and the whole phenomenon of you be listening to the radio and the guys at different stadiums who would call in with updates, like it's Bobby McNamara here in Dallas, three nothing. And that would be his report. And those would be like, that was like how I followed football all day Sunday, other than watching the youths. >> Did you, I got stuck if I can tell 45 second story. I was on one of these sucker lists, right? So you listen to these guys call my 19 hundred number and we loved it. And it was pro line. And it was me and my friend Harry. And somehow they got our phone numbers. We must have filled out something, right? And so then they would call us at the dorm, right? Just as we were, I was like, I try to blow them off. Everybody had like a name that had money at the end. Like it's Johnny Cash or, you know, Stu Gold or anything like that. So it's like, hey, Stu Gold calling. I'm like, hey, I'm heading to the dining hall. Really? Do they serve lobster? Because you could eat lobster seven days a week if you get my big 12 game of the year. So we avoided for as long as they, they, they, we could. But what they do is, and you pointed this out in the page two article, what normally they do is, they'll take a list of suckers, a hundred people, right? And they'll tell 50 of them take the chiefs and they'll tell 50 of them take the cowboys, right? So now they've given 50 people one winner. And then they, they splinter that. They tell 25 people take the Colts, tell 25 people take the Texans. So now they've given 25 people to winners, goes on and on. So if you've given somebody three winners, right? You're going to listen. So you're one of 12 people left on the list, right? They give you the winner three weeks in a row. And you're like, these guys are made know something, right? So they, they get my friend Harry, they like send me $400. And I'll give you my ACC game of the year. It's between Florida State and, and Duke. And Harry gives the 400. But that's not a bet. So you just give them the money for the tip, right? For the, for the price of the tip, exactly. And then you have to make the bet, which has to be more than $400. Obviously for this to work, he gives out Duke plus 17 and Florida State wins 59 to 20. And Harry's pissed and he calls this guy back and he says, this is crazy. Your ACC game of the year. Who do you think you are? Duke, you give your ACC pick of the year, give up 59 points. What kind of idiot gives up a ACC lock and makes it Duke. And he's like, I got better question for you, Harry. What kind of idiot gives $400 to a total stranger? It's like, and that's, wow, that's, that's basically the story. That's, that's the boiler room mentality because this existed in a kind of gray area of legality, right? Like in the way that they would get their money in the way that they would, because there isn't actually like a contract where it's like, no, I have to do this or like, you should pay me a commission if you win. It's all like on the arm. It's advice. It was no different. This is all through the 90s. This is right around the tail end because the internet's really starting to come in, but this is where you would talk to an astrologer, right? You would do all kinds of one 900 stuff. There would be like sex lines. You'd talk to some girl you'd keep paying. But even the stock market was kind of like that. You know, people called call and in screaming at you and stuff. It's interesting. This movie is probably like six, seven years too late. That's the thing. Because I think the 90s was when Jeff and I we would watch that show and I can't remember which one. we thought might actually be good, but you know, at some point we're like, should we call? Like this guy seems like he's on it. Yeah. We don't realize it's this massive scam. Now all the stuff's getting regulated. What was the year you forwarded? One of you forwarded the sports illustrator piece. Oh, I did. It was a Rick Riley piece. What year was that? That was the early 90s? Yeah, I think so. Because that was the first time I was like, wait, these guys are fraught. Like, I thought they were these characters, but I didn't know. We didn't know right. I was like, oh, that guy's must be awesome at gambling. He's getting 78%. Right. He's nailing him. Do you think we should do this now for a ranger gambling show? What's that? Just do sell your fix? No, just have like, maybe it's the bundle. Right. We just completely sports advisors too for the money him. Comtony D. I'm here in Philly guys. Tony dollars. Tony dollars. Everyone is talking about the Texans defense. We've been selling our ranger 107 pics and people are pissed. So this is the head of your time, this whole world, the 100 world. Do you believe that this is what we did in the 90s is call random strangers for gambling advice? Of course. I mean, it's also, I mean, it's still going on today a little bit, right? I mean, like, you got to pay for Warren Sharpe's website. You pay like $100, $100. You guys are the original substands. And you get your sense. Yeah. It's still going on today. Did the sports advisors create substands? Interesting. Well, five reasons why I would defend this movie. It's a movie about sports gambling. Something that we've really enjoyed for the last 35 years for me. It's a mentor, fast riser movie CR. Shades of Wall Street. Shades of Devils Advocate. What are some other ones like this where it's like, and it's always two really good parties. I mean, training day. I mean, like, you get training. There's lots of anytime you bring like a little lamb, and he has to hang out with a wolf all day. You know, and then it's like the teacher becomes the master becomes the student or vice versa. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was getting a lot of Donnie Brasco in there because it was right there with. Sure. Chino, right? Yeah. Like the, you know, Johnny. It's also I was very struck this time by this is a weird comparison. It reminds me a little bit of midnight cowboy because it is a outsider coming into New York City who gets taken under his wing by like a real New York character. Yeah. Who's really embedded in the city. And he shows them the ways of the city. And he basically turns him into a projection of what he wants him to be. So I have those two. I have Mankind Hay is just a great movie hang for movies like this. So I'm going to talk about him in a second. The sports advisors. It just brought me back. Wee's that Jeff will still text me this new finer. If it seems like it wins every week. If I win every week, it's because I do. Like we used to just love that guy. Uh, and then, uh, Pacino, the, the actual like the TV show and the info. Like it's kind of dead on. Yeah. They did a great job with the actual show that Walter, whatever hosts and psych here he is. Walter is the psych system. The psych system. Let's go to him. Let's go to this guy. Yeah. And these guys would just come in high kind of Mafiosa guy. He's just like, oh, clip your nuts. If you don't do this, yeah. See, Sal doesn't want to admit something. You look sad on college. He's like Sunday. I'm going to be in one of these shows. I know you did. I know you and Harry talked about. Why not? There were our celebrities. What was your gimmick going to be? Uh, and I probably just come out with a quilt. Yeah. I don't know what I would have done. Really ready. Sal. When you brought it up, like, it's like, we learn, uh, I hope I don't screw this up for anyone. We learned there's no Santa Claus, like around six or seven, right? Yeah. We learn, we learn wrestling's not real. Round 11, 12. 45. Yeah. 45. And then like, it seems like every five years and then five years after that, we learn these guys don't know shit because you can't unless, like, they don't even pretend to have inside information. That would have made the movie so much better if anybody had any sort of, like lean on anything. Hey, it's you he Brandon uses the force. He's like, I know ball. And I just know that these guys are going to lose. I know. Why doesn't he read any stats on it? Why isn't he like, look, defensive line? Well, they're going to hold up. I don't want to get too far in it. But the antagonistic relationship towards analytics of this movie is one of my favorite things. This is when I always joke about the sports movie consulting thing. I would have had a lot of notes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, so Brandon's like, it just does he have ESP? What am I supposed to think of if it was a character? Doesn't seem like he really watches football. No. He just knows the teams to match up because he played. And we know if you played Pete Rose, should have been great at picking games was terrible. Yeah. But no, this guy who busts his knee out and a fictitious bowl game, he knows. And better than that, Pacino falls for it. Pacino's been doing this for 30 years, but you got the good kid. Well, I mean, he was going like nine and two every week or whatever like on his arm. Yes. Yes. But my favorite when he's showing how much football knows when he's telling the guy behind the counter in Vegas. And he's like, he's like, dude, and coach these guys. He knows team Brown loves the ball over his left shoulder. So he's going to put a corner on him and force him. I'm like, what? Tim Brown, he likes catching the ball one way. What receiver? What receiver in NFL history is like, you got to throw, I got to catch it like this. I can't catch it like this. It's got to be, I got to be turned this way. I mean, and the, and the, and the really, I don't want to put a complete pen in this. But if anybody actually had inside information, if anybody actually had a gift, they wouldn't tell a soul. You would bet the games yourself. You don't want any stranger knowing this for $25, $50. The money gets out of whack. We'll talk about it in a second. But you wouldn't tell anybody. Well, I think these guys also would have used that 100 down to 50 down to 25. Like that, that's how all these, that's what Riley's piece was about way back when that these guys, they're just trying to narrow that final 10. Yeah, they're trying to figure out. And the rest are going to fall by the way side, but that final 10 will give them a bunch of money. All right, McConaughey, we're talking about a lot of the gamut with this movie later. McConaughey is in a weird part of his career from 03 to 08. He's in had to lose a guy in 10 days, Sahara, two for the money, failure to launch, we are Marshall and fools gold. So he had like this initial run when he first kind of burst on the scene after days and Texas chainsaw mask and all that. But like when he first kind of like time to kill was the time to kill Lone star, Amastad contact. Like he's working with big directors. He's an a bus blister put up. And then he just kind of, I mean, Hollywood or him loses sort of the hold on the tail of what he is and what he should be doing. You just can't replace by Colin Farrell or whoever, like the next young handsome guy. And it's like, you know, honestly, like some of these movies that he did that he's probably like that was a dark period for me or that was like a fallow period for me in retrospect, wind up being like totally fine cable rewatchable kind of movies. But this is a good example of that. It's like two for the money is a movie where he probably is like, yeah, that was an exactly Dallas buyers club. But it's pretty enjoyable. And he's goes toe to toe with one of the great actors in movie history. Yeah, he had hit a point. So that first year where we had Kimmel show. We're not getting McConaughey and O2 or O3 on Kimmel show. I think he's probably too famous. Right. Right. Plus we were doing a bit called the shirtless McConaughey. We feel like into the wild and like the shirtless McConaughey was spot on the coast of the Sahara, you know, like so. But by, but by 0506, McConaughey is coming on Kimmel show. Like this is they I'd love to come on. That sounds great. And then it completely flips for him all the sudden by the Dallas buyers club. True detective. We were doing great. It was like, he was the most of it. The McConaughey. A plus Lister to invite true detective Dallas buyers club. So he figured out I wrote this in 2005. I don't remember writing it. This is what I wrote. Because it felt like the moment in past forum, like it was like, I don't know, he's like, James Winston now or something. And I'm like, oh, man, I like that guy. Why didn't it work out for him? I wrote, why do I root for him in every movie? Is it the whole Wooderson days? A confused thing? Wasn't he superb in a time code? Am I crazy? Doesn't it feel like his career should have been better? He's the Jimmy Jackson of Hollywood. Jimmy Jackson was an NBA player 30 years ago. There's no real reason why his career should have turned up better, but it didn't. And now he's stuck making chick flicks and B minus movies and wondering where the wheels come off. Maybe his biggest problem is he's like, well, presence in a solid actor to boot, but he's not a great actor. He always puts himself. He can't really make fun of him either. So what's left? So what turned CR? I think that he basically had to like not to use a gambling term, but he had to hit rock bottom. He had to be like, I don't really want to make these kinds of movies. I don't want to make tell these kinds of stories. And then he got incredibly lucky. I mean, I think Magic Mike, to me, is like a really turning point movie because it's also a choice for him to be the third or fourth person in a film. Like he's barely, he's briefly in that film comparatively, but he's like, the material is good. The director is good. I think people will like me in it. And that's sort of where I think that's not true. Yeah. What do you think? So I think if you threw this movie at him today or 10 minutes, 10 years ago or 20, he would still do it. He was, when I interviewed him, he was close to this storyline. Like I asked him, like a natural, I asked him, well, what did you do? And how did you prepare for this? And he's like, I was in the boiler room with all these characters. And I learned, but more than that, my brother was a tout. He had a tout service. He was 27 and 0 famously over four weeks. And then everybody hated him as soon as he lost. Like, so it was a weird thing. But then he like gets into a whole thing about he's like, you know, know, when you're betting these things, sometimes you know, sometimes you just know if it's a winner. I'm like, oh boy, he's like, because of the intangibles, like East Coast flying West Coast or Brett Farve playing on a Monday after his father passed. Or, you know, if you just had a kid, you're going to play. He said he was eligible for rigger with us. Yeah, he was drinking the capper cooling, I think. So I think he would have accepted this at any time period. You just mentioned. I'll say this. I think he's awesome in this movie. I think this is like, as fun of as a McConaughey movie performance as exists. There's, we have a category that we don't often use, which is basically, is this movie perfect for what it is? Yeah. I think that you could make an argument this is. It's basically like a three-hander, a two and a half-hander, so if it doesn't get outside of its own, it doesn't try to be about way more than it's not. It's actually fairly serious for passages, but it's a ton of fun and often what happens when people go up against Puccino is they have to bend the knee and they have to be like, man, this guy's eating all the scenery. I just am like a background player. Like that would be like, Chris O'Donnell and Senator Wilmer just don't like that. McConaughey is like, I have such a different pitch than this guy that we can both be going at 10 at the same time and it's not too much. Right. So Puccino's got all the New York energy and McConaughey has got all of this like Texas swagger and it actually locks together really well because like the movie just asks so little of you in that way. Yeah, it's so Kiana is in this same spot with Devil's Advocate. Kiana easily could have been in this movie playing the guy he played in Hardball in this movie, right? And I don't think it's as good. Crews, this could have been in early 90s Crews part. There's no question actually would have been pretty good. Yeah, but McConaughey is perfect. That's another good one. Vince Vaughn, but not handsome enough at that point. I think it was the last couple of years of him as leading man. This is right when he does the the break up. You know, being great on this. I think Pitt could have done it at various points in his career, but it's like you need handsome charming charismatic. I have to believe you played football college. Right. I have to believe all women are possible for you during the movie and I got to be rooting for you. Pacino, how many rewatchables do you think this is for Pacino? How many movies have we done? This is dumb digits? Yeah, I was going to say 12. 14. Wow. It's number two. He moved that of a dead heat with Danira. No way. Yeah. Do we have a lot of Pacino left, you think? I think we what we have Brasco and Scarface is left. Yeah. Dog days left. I think we have like five left. So yeah, Pacino is two all time now for us. Crews at 17. Pacino at 14. Danira at 13. It's Denzel at 11. Denzel is at 12. That's just 11. Collins worth 500. I don't think we can get Segal into double figures. I looked I tried to figure it out and I just I looked at every which way we'd really have to have to bend a little bit. Pacino. This is like kind of the tail end of when he could do this in a movie CR. Yes. He's still plausibly in his 60s. There's pieces of heat. There's pieces of a cent of a woman. There's pieces of devil's advocate. He can still turn the fast ball on. City hall. Like yeah, he's it's just like why me up and go. Yeah. And I'm not even sure who else who else could have played Walter Abrams. It's like kind of perfect. Well, so they're using a lot of Pacino pieces. I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this because there's a much different version of this movie that's like much more serious. And it's about addiction and it's also about sexual anxiety because like part of this movie is Walter's trying to basically like have sex with other women through Brandon, right? Like he's like setting them up with his wife. He's getting him hookers. He's always talking about how you're me 30 years ago. Brandon, my cock no longer works. I just want to say the cherry watch we have sex by way. Why are you doing this? My cock does it work. I'll put Colin's work. I don't know why I couldn't do the Pacino. I couldn't make my voice rest enough. Do Pacino. Do Pacino is not after that. Yeah, I want to let the Collins worth free the little. So he has some classic Pacino lens in here. Modesty's not a virtue. It might be a vice. Might be a vice. You're selling certainty in an uncertain world. Johnny Anthony's living lodge. He's got a direct line to God. Your clients are jumping ship. You lactose intolerant fuck. Yeah, that was the pivot. And then the best part of a drug is in the high. It's the moment right before you take it. Five great Pacino wisdom. Give us your Pacino. I know CR's relationship with Pacino. What about you, self? I think he makes just everything better. I think this is probably one of the last that he could have like a seven-year-old daughter. You could do that, right? That's a real way. But to me, it's like you talk about like being cool on screen, don Draper, the smoking, the drinking, but the narrow smoking. This is going to sound stupid, but I think it's cool when he fumbles for his heart pills. I was like, I want to be like that. I want to be the same thing. You grab and you go, can you snap it and you go and it's right back in. And you're good as new and like 10 seconds. It's like I just want to stay alive for six more months to see Brandon fuck my wife. Yeah, this is the tail end for Pacino here because it starts. He starts getting a little too old. Ebert in his review was talking about how it was a little bit of a Pacino renaissance here in the early 2000s coming off. He directed something. I can feel Raj in the room with us right now. Yeah. Raj was three and a half out of four. You have a good. Yeah. This Raj was three and a half stars. He wrote, you could see how Pacino doing something he's done a lot lately, having a terrific time being an actor. George C. Scott used to say when a good actor was in the right role, you could sense the joy of performance. Pacino has moments here when he doesn't quite click his heels. It just means that positively. And he says, Makanae and Rusar are wonderful too. Yeah. Three and a half stars from Raj. Unfortunately, the general public didn't agree. 35 million dollar budget made 30.5 million. When I wrote my review for page two, which I don't remember writing, I was compiling it, but I didn't want to be blurbed for the poster. So I just wrote a lot of words. You're like, it's not terrible, but I was basically like, that's funny. I knew I liked it, but I think it's destiny was cable. I don't think it was quite a movie theater movie. I think it was at some point this should just be on TNT or Cinemax for five straight years, which is what happened. Yeah. This is this is a kind of originalist movie for us where it's like, if you are walking by a television and Brandon Lang is getting the pretty woman montage to turn into John Anthony, you're like, all right, I got to stick around. I got to watch him go to Wingfoot. You know, like, let's go. I love that he has to have a makeover. Like, how do we get this? The Shlub? Give me my haircut. Like they like they took Jack Black off of Skid Row or something. It's like, all right, he's pretty good looking. You're fine. Yeah. So what they do, they they cut that he had like some some girth in the back. Slicked the hair back. Got him a couple of new suits. Test your over car. Yeah. Actually, don't know what happened to. I don't know. Yeah. The really nice Mercedes in New York City that nobody ever knew about wine. He gets it. All right. Craig, any Pacino thoughts before we move on because we've done, I don't know how many you've produced where we've done Pacino, but probably a lot of them. I feel rewatchable is actor of all time right now. Well, it's funny because it's like the first experience people my age had with Pacino was like after he kind of jumped to center of a woman shark. So it's actually weirder to go back and watch Pacino when he was like 32 and really subtle and didn't have like the crazy Rashi voice. To everyone now in my generation, he's like, everyone's crazy uncle as an actor. Yeah. Sure. While died. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think he embraced and was like, not only am I good with this, I'll play this part for however many times you're just going to give me a good check. Yeah. I mean, it's really strange to go back to the 70s stuff and the early 80s stuff and see him doing all this nuance to kind of subtle acting, especially as Michael and then to be like, but what you'll be known for is that of Craig just yelling. Yeah. That's like what you're going to do. When did he make the turn? You said a woman. Yeah. I think he got a woman in the heat. Yeah. That was to that. Well, no, well, well, you're 90s. Yeah. Okay. All right. It's funny because you watch Godfather too, which I watch all the time. Yeah. But the scene with, uh, with, with the, with the, I'm blanking on the old character. Uh, the guy that Lee strapped for us. I'm in Roth. Yeah. I'm in Roth. Yeah. I'm in Roth. Does that long story about Mogreen? That man was named Mogreen. And he does that whole thing. And Pacino's just kind of watching him and playing off him and just kind of completely still. And you could just 2005 Pacino. I don't know how he plays that. When they attacked Tahoe and he starts yelling and he's like, my house, where my children live and sleep. You know, like, like, like, that's like, that was like the only sneak preview of what we were going to get in the 90s. Yeah. Like, this Pacino in '05, doing the Fredo can only see, can only be here. I need to know a half hour ahead of time when he visits my mother and all this stuff. That would have been Pacino dialing it up. Right. Um, all right. Wait, I could do this for two and a half hours. Yeah. This one line. All right. Sign me up. You broke my heart, Frano. It's time to get in our favorite segment, the most rewatchable scene, which is today brought to you by PayPal. From now through December 18, you can get 20% cash back when you pay in four with PayPal, no fees, no interest, save the offer in the app now. Most rewatchable scene, look, you give me McConaughey playing quarterback in college with crazy long hair, hair extensions. We should have if we had a hair extension purse, that would have been a good look for you for this pie. Just for the beginning of the pie. Yeah, long. I don't even know where you're finding those, but it's part of the helmet, actually, it's actually. Who do you think that was supposed to like, what would that, see like Jake Plummer? Yeah, I was able to do the Jake, the sea, maybe, yeah, I did, this isn't, doesn't fit for nip picks or, uh, unanswerable, but it's something I've noticed in football movies. They love having the court, the play breakdown and the quarterback just run. He's got to basically scramble for 30 yards. And at some point, he's running toward the middle about to get tackled and does this crazy spin move that always works as it ever worked in midlife, ever. Usually, the guy gets concussed. Right, right. I think if Jake made it that I would have a heart attack, but in the sports movies, they do the twirl around, then they go for the goal line, they get hit by three people at the same time. Yes. They do sage Rose and Phil's helicopter. Yeah. And usually they don't have like a Joe Thysman-esque knee injury at the end of it. I was wondering like, is this Jackson Dart's problem, is he loves sports movies? And he's like, every time I watch a sports movie, this works, I just got to take on five guys at once. What would be the worst thing? Yeah, the hero's scramble, you know, it's not a sexy to watch, if the receiver makes the catch, he's the hero. The quarterback scramble. It wouldn't be cool if you just did a bunch of check downs until he got more diving range. I mean, the play that you would do now is the, the cam ward play where you scramble out of bounds. You're going at the last minute red as you're falling out of bounds, getting hit. You chuck it into the middle of the field and the guy catches it, that'd be the realistic play now. Probably just be a touch push or some bullshit. Well, Brandon Lane was just born too early, you know, he just needed a much more wide open offensive system. The touch push would be hilarious for a sports movie, full of guys on the line moving a second half. I was like, listen, man, you told me no touch push jokes. I told you I'd do it with sound. Right. Talk about the fucking dish. You're going to learn the vision. It's fine. I also love Walter showing the equip of the sports. I love every scene with the sports advisor. Yes. Yeah. Just I can't get enough for that. I wish there's more. So your first thing is, is the football pre preamble. Next one I have is Puccino's first scene with the hard sell to Brandon. Followed by the Brandon figures out his character and keeps working on the tape. That whole scene, I love it. Yes. I was working on his Johnny Anthony voice pumping iron right before I bought this Chris Ryan a mirror on the rewatchable's brother. Welcome to the watch. The best is because it's going to look as nuanced portrait of post apocalyptic America. Let's go. They have to work backwards right to get him shirtless. Right. So what do we do? There's no real training montage, but maybe if he has to come to life moment, meanwhile, the truth is these idiots in the boiler room, there's not a sit up between them. No. No, look like me. It's ridiculous. He's shirtless. How many times at least three in this movie? I think that was coming times. Yeah. I'll do it. But I got to be sure. Right. Puccino's gambling rehab speech takes them to rehab gives them the us lemons. We fuck shit up all the time on purpose because we constantly need to remind ourselves we're alive. Gamble is not your problem. It's just fucked up. Need to feel something. It commits yourself. You exist. Do you guys actually do ever feel that close to it that that primal feel of I don't gamble on sports. So I was just curious. But he made it like it was losing is what. Yeah. That's right. I'm asking. Sound iron the accident. We don't like losing. No. Yeah. I like the winning part. I do too. It's just the best most well adjusted get worse. Yeah. We like when we win the best. We want to introduce this concept to a whole new audience where we're trying to do through a ringer with a seven where all of us are 28 30 or whatever records are. I love that was mine too. How was it? Do I jump in if it's mine? Mine. I'm going to go through all of them. And then if I forgot one, tell me the TV show scene where we we what was the psych system. I'll tell you. Do you want to know? Yeah. What is it? Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I could say it. Yeah. People have their models. Right. Yeah. So this is like Raheem's model. The psych system. So Raheem should call it like that. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. Yeah. I know. I know. It's just stats. It's just like it's not like it's like some hidden algorithm. Do you think house practices is the psych system? I think so. Yeah. I could say it. Yeah. People have their models, right? Yeah. The psych system. So Raheem should call it the Raheem system. Sure. Instead of him talking about a model, he should be like, I checked out the Raheem system. I looked at the stats. It's point over. It's point over. We need to we need more branding and more big, big giant things. It's point over. We need to see more characters you guys all have to adapt adopt a character. Well, I don't know if you've seen Raheem thinking qualifies. I'd like to think JJ qualifies a little less character. The bundle we're trying to pull the character out $20. Yeah, Tony dollars has been doing great. But when you yeah, when you talk about models, no one ever holds you to it. It's the same thing. It's a psych because it's proprietary. You and I should say we have a model. I went to a wedding. I did this. I saw someone who goes on TV often talks about how she has a month. he or she has a model. And I was like, let's see what's going on. I said, oh, no, I could never show you. I could tell that it was no. >> It's a good cooking recipe. It's fine. >> I have symbiotics for before the season. That was the only model I created, my whole system for picking teams in the future. >> Symbiotics? >> Yeah, it was a joke. I named it Symbiotics, but I kind of stuck with certain things. >> But you have your little systems, right? Like, do you do? >> I do. >> You and Marty used to have blue chips, right? It was like- >> Blue chips, but yeah, I have a whole that ranking system I do. I have to play off the manifesto. Yeah. But nothing is good as sexist stick to the manifesto. I try it for playoffs. I try to stick. I mean, it's funny. I've I've been violating it in real life. Like how did we not bet on against J.J. McCarthy and Lambo? Like how was that one of my five picks? Well, we did the next best thing. We bet on him. I put a little on the money line. Yeah. I needed the psych system. It didn't exist. We also have that Chuck Adler guy who's coming up. Yeah. He's just having an aneurysm. He's from obviously the Philadelphia area. Is he? No, I'm just guessing. It wouldn't surprise me if he was trying to stay here. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he might have been in task. I'm going to give him preemptively the rough low-handed Rubio cartridge overacting work. They're like, hey, Chuck Adler, coming hot. C.R. Why wasn't this McConaughey's first Oscar? His scene where the sports advisors that comes to him and he goes, every keybie knows the secret. The key to victory is anticipation. The ability to see the future and react to it. Yeah. And just the way he makes love to the camera. Well, because he's like, he's been going so over the top as John Anthony so far. And then he kind of has that little kernel of like, it's just you and me talking here, you know? Yeah. Let's go. Let's make some bets together, brother. I was in. I thought that scene could have been five minutes longer. So if you're turning on sports advisors, who do you find yourself most drawn to? Oh, psych system. Yeah, psych system. Yeah, sex. Yeah, it didn't completely say, guys got 42 variables. I want to know what he's thinking. Who would you have? Who drew him drafted to Craig? Drifted to on the sports and the sports advisors. Those four guys who'd have been your guys. You always got to be worried the guy who's too attractive. Like when you look at McConaughey, you're like, this guy's a snake oil salesman. It's pivot man. You got to go with the ugliest guy at the table. That's always the fair. But McConaughey broke it down like he didn't stick to the script, right? And he's like, this is not what he's like, I'm just I'm just going to tell you how it is. How it is. And this is when the executive producer would blow up the show. But Patino's like, no, it's always the best part is when the guys just like they've written me this speech I'm supposed to give you. And Patino knows the cameras only on on Brandon. He's talking to the director. He's like, let it go. Yeah, it's gold. But Brandon's on a heater at this point. Yes. So it's my understanding. This takes place over one full ball season, right? Yes. So he's gone, he's hot for like five, six weeks, right? That's probably a little unrealistically hot. I mean, you have to pick nits. But you're not going 13 and I know and hit the Monday night, Paul. Wow. I have to tell a quick South story. South, when when I was at ESPN and Grayland along with CR, um, sown it up on sports center, yeah, giving picks, right? And you had your, what was it, your best bet? Yeah, Thursday night I would go on. I would give four picks and, uh, you get what you're going to say my record. Yeah, I was like, no, but you had one where you, you hit every week for like 11 weeks or something. Yeah, I was 18, 0 and two. Yeah. Wow. He, South hit a heater and it's on ESPN. Yeah. That's right. And Sal and I thought this was like the most important story in sports. We thought this was like the heats 27 game win streak. Right. And Sal's heater and nobody cared. And I'm sending angry emails to ESPN PR. I was like, you don't understand. Yeah. He's 180 and two. They're like, whatever we don't care. Yeah. - Yahoo scoop, Yahoo wrote an article about it. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's a sports guy. - Who is the, who is the sports air anchor? You were usually doing it. - It was Neil Everett. - Okay. - It was great. - It was your sister. - She just got fired. - Sally Sykes system, but that was ridiculous. And I'd have one par, one teaser and like three straight bets. But, and I was so mad, you're right. Like we were all mad that DSP wasn't doing anything about this. And I'm like, Yahoo scooping your competitor scooping you in the second. The competitors called me and he's like, look, we have to dip our toe in the water. If we keep, big deal out of this gambling thing, we're gonna lose the Monday night game. And whatever it's said, it was different time. - Little did they know exactly. - So I was wandering around the extended L.A. area just telling everybody he knew I'm 180 and two. It was like just a dream. You're doing this? - It was like, what's your name? He's like 180 and two. - Yeah, I had a couple of dude in my, my goal in my column was always to go 11 and 0. It was always the, it was 11 playoff games. Can you hit 11 and 0? And I think I had, I think I was eight, no heading into one of the conference weekends. And it was the only thing I cared about. I thought about it all day. I just wanted to do 11 and 0 once. Never happened. Now it's 13 and 0. It's like, yeah. I actually think that's genuinely impossible to pick 13 playoff games against the spread. - But anyway, Brandon was dead. - Brandon was dead. - Brandon was dead. Anything that you thought was the most important thing in the world and then nobody gives a shit. - Yeah. - There's no feeling like it. There really is it. - Yeah. - Oh, I can't even imagine. - That was Liz doing the country's strong rewatchable. (laughing) - I stand by it. That was a great experience. - Do you think anybody could get this famous now? Is there too much gambling out there where, how hot would somebody need to go where they actually became a sensation? - I think you would have to be something that was more of a stunt. Like they're betting a million of their own dollars every game or something like that. Where it's like, so almost watching a guy on like who wants to be a millionaire or something. - There are people who go viral on Instagram and it's like, they kind of do gimmicks. It's like, I'm betting the Angel Reese will miss her for shot every week for, you know, and it works for like 10 weeks in a row. But do you think anybody could genuinely get on Sports Center fame as giving their picks every week and everyone's tuning in or is there just too much gambling content out there now for that to happen? - So here's what I think has changed. I think the margins are basically gone. And this has happened. It's almost like in baseball when like two teams knew about on base percentage and they were snapping up guys for years and years and nobody else knew and it's like, "Oh, we'll get this guy." His on base is 380 and he'd go for like two million bucks. I don't, everyone knows all the same edges now. They know all the, any sort of home splits or schedule stuff or think about how much time and energy we put it on this. The only real edge now is the futures. - Yeah. - Like the, in July and August. Like trying to figure out. - Oh, betting, betting bettion bets. - Looking like the Pats were a great example this year or like a new coach. - But are you just throwing like, money into a well and hoping your wish comes true then? Is it like? - Yeah, you're not getting it until five months later. I think, I just think the odds are always like, we always talk about this. The odds are like perfect now. They weren't perfect in the night. - They're very tight. - And the AI and everything. And that's like kick people off of sports betting sites because they see a pattern and it's just too hard. But like Billy Walters is a great example. He's one of like three people who's made money sports gambling in the last three decades. And he was on my show for a little bit. I was like, wow, he wants to be on the show and he was giving picks. And I was like, you got to look at the data here. I was like, oh my God. No, you need an Al Pacino type against picks. You have to have like, you do have to have the personality. Otherwise, it doesn't matter. It really doesn't. - The real way to do this, which just isn't fun, is to just zag against the general public. Like we're taping this on a Monday. The obvious game this week was Saints Falcons. We all had it in Ringle 1, 07. It was like Saints minus 1 and 1/2. Everyone loved the Saints. And Sal and I would, we've known each other a long time. Anytime that happens, we're like, this isn't good. 'Cause the general public doesn't win in gambling. So you know, like nobody's taking the Falcons, probably just take the Falcons. But nobody wants to do that. - Right, they'll post it. - They'll handle, even advertise it. Here's the top five bets of the week. X, X, X, X, X, X, X. - You never wanna have the top five bets, right? - No. - 'Cause the general public usually loses. - It's also worth noting that what money ball the book is, '02? - Yeah. - Right? - Yeah. - And then Sloan comes around. - '09, '10, yeah. - Yeah, so this is right. This is still like really at the beginning of the idea of like you could have a psych system and you're one of like a minority of people who are looking at that stuff. Because people really were still, I think this is the way I prefer to consume sports media is to read writing about it rather than a bunch of numbers. But like people were like, yeah, you know what, this guy's just got grit or momentum is swinging their way. Where I feel like, you know, the weather's changed and this is a dome team and all the stuff that like, you would just kind of go off of your gut rather than like D-D-O-A. - Yeah, like coming out the door as he never wins. - Right, exactly. - That stuff would kind of fade away. - Yeah, I think now 60% is like idea. Oh my God. They made the sequel to this and they're like, I've hit 61% of my best. I'm like, whoa, that's really bad. Great job. More rewatchable stuff. The arguing about everyone's dysfunctional childhood. - Yes. - Which includes Pacino saying, "My father, five foot arms like this. "He had a cock like a Hebrew national." - I feel like that was a Pacino. - Yeah, he's so proud of you. - It's worth it. Daniel Roy, Tony Gourry's brother wrote this movie, but I think there was a improvisation. - The Armando Santasine. I just like-- - No one. - It's like this super rich guy with like this amazing. It's like this succession kind of like, here's our new character and they just had the greatest house. - Right. - John Anthony hitting a million dollar over. Thanks to an intern. I had that. Brandon goes to the gambling swoon. - Nothing's ever three and three, four and four. It's always easy. He's either 11 and 0 or one and 11. And it starts after he's asked Walter for to wet his beak a little bit. - Yeah, all right, all right, time for it. - Two more. - You're gonna have to rip it out of my towel on. (laughing) - My personal pick, Pacino. - What do you wanna know? - I'm gambling again. (laughing) - The funniest thing in the movie. And then the ultimate bad beta, landed 24 in New York 20. - Yeah. - The Hail Mary from the 30, somehow connecting. Which seems like that was an actual USFL play and they lose and it seems like everything's big. Did you have anything else for most of your watch? - I just, I had that scene. To me, I could watch it 10 times. It's such a great device. Infiltrating the gambler's anonymous meeting. - Yeah. - Just so good. And telling them they're all lemons. By the way, we should bring that word back. - Lemons. - Calling somebody a lemon. - Yeah. - Right? - They're running. - They're running of a person, lemon of a pick. And just talking about it's not you, you're a lemon. You can, there were great lines in that. And just then handing them his card. Like you suck as gamblers. It's not, not an addiction. You suck personally. But if you want to lose more, here's my card. - Get my card. - Yeah. Beautiful. - Would you have? - I had the first, John Anthony's first sports advisors broadcast with the psych system. And then John Anthony said. - Yeah, that, I am a switch in my pick. I think that's right. Those two, I mean, this is why this movie's so rewatchable though. It has these multiple awesome scenes in it. All right. That was today's edition of the most rewatchable scene brought to you by PayPal. 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No boo. - No. - No boo's still popular. The facts, machines, the fact that they allude to the internet. The internet's common, you know, this is kind of thing. What else do we want to do? - Those sports advisors shows existing. - Just those shows. - Feel that those are dead now, for sure. - John Anthony, when he's first doing his first recordings, I think it's the one after pumping iron. He goes, he gets hot to the phone. And he says, it's a scut-attack this weekend. - I thought it was a nice attack. - Desert Storm era joke. There's also a casual, this guy would never be president. Did Donald Trump joke about his hair? And yes. - I wonder if that was a USFL dig. I wonder if he-- - Oh, I wonder, yeah. - Yeah, he gave him trouble even getting rights to those. I'm going to-- - It's possible. - Yeah. - Donald Trump thing. - Yeah, and then just sports betting still being illegal in most days. - Needing four TVs to watch four games. - Yeah. - It's kind of the OG quad box. - Yeah. - How about four TVs to watch one game? At one point, right? They've just had the one game. - When did NFL, like, when did NFL lead pass come into being? - When did you-- - '90s. - Yeah. - I had it like 2000, basically, I think. - The headsets, the telemarketer headsets that are the size Yes. Specialized football helmets now. I have two extras that Paul Takenboo commissioner back then, ban commercials from the movie for the first week in NFL games. They wouldn't let them advertise on NFL games. Oh, interesting. Now they'd be like freaking. Yeah. Let's have Makani and Chino and the Jerry Jones's box. I need to wet my beak. Yeah. Right. Right. Um, this is my favorite though. The uh, third iPad. I don't have a third one. This is it. Um, Pichino's telling Russo what he wants to do with Johnny Anthony. And he goes, I'm going to do this whole.com thing around him. Right. I think that's the last time anyone said.com. That was it. The movie ended right there because at that point.com is like pretty popular. Right. Here's one thing I, I looked it up a little bit and got somewhat of a better picture. But I wanted to ask you guys because I feel like you probably, what is John Anthony's or Brandon's job when he's working in the cubicle, like the talk to text 900 number thing. It's some sort of 900 seemingly multi media company in Vegas where you could do gambling or sex or all kinds of things. And he's trying to get people to call Jessica Simpson's like hotline. Yeah. That's not a great by the way. Well, is that because I have a lot of friends out of work. Is that still okay? I would love to help them up. Jessica Simpson trivia or whatever's going on. Hey, I took my job. So now I know it's the 900 number of my Jessica Simpson. Yeah. Had it, would you tell people you had that job back then? I can't remember. I think if I was like, if I looked like Matthew McConaughey, I'd probably be like, yeah, I'm just doing a 900 no great. Yeah. All right. What's aged the best? Well, then see this new iPad. I'm not using as well. So Al Pacino's character being based on Stu Feiner. Right. It's just going to age grade every year for the rest of my life. And now Feiner's on the barsel show. Still checking around. Yeah. Yeah. Same style. Wait, is he still how's he doing? I'm still great. I'm 10 and I'll last week. 10. But then no one 10. It was weird. I have a bunch of what say to give me your best one. I mean, like I said before bringing a character into New York City for the first time. It's always got like a little bit of like a wizard of eyes thing. I really think Pichino's line. You shut your fucking toilet when I'm talking. I've never heard somebody describe another person's mouth as a toilet. Yeah. I really like that. Walters take on family dysfunction. And winged foot is still really hard to play. Fairly. Give me foot. Yeah. Yeah. I think yeah. Pretty good. Look great. Piven's pettingness. Yeah. Right. That's never going to really what how's that move? And just the pep docs of Oral Pichino. I also think that they nailed the Rousseau care casting where it's like believable that she's with Walter, but believable that she's the right age where she can go between both. Is she that was the director's wife? Uh, screenwriter. Who was the director DJ Coruseau probably should have mentioned that at the time. Yeah, he did eagle eye and a bunch of other stuff. His movies definitely have a certain field of that, but which I think worked for this. I had for what's aged the best. It's the struggling hairline Super Bowl between Pichino and McConaughey and Piven. Wow. Just three guys that had a lot of issues over the years. Yeah. Pichino has a very, very, very straight hairline that un-unrealistically straight hairline. Yeah. This is right when the wheels really came off for it. Piven playing basically Jerry Sykes as Ari from Antourage. Yes. But working for a 900 hotline. Yeah. I think he had just finished filming Antourage season. He's like, should I change these characters at all? Fuck it. No, he's just Ari. By the way, Ari Gold would have been a better name for that's right. Anything gold, anything money, anything, whatever for a town service guy. You know, that's Craig's favorite show. Is it? Antourage. One of them. It's up there, right? I'm good for you. Did you feel like this was Ari? Yeah, exactly the same. I wish he was in a movie like I wish he just played Ari in a movie every year. Yeah. So like the whole run of the show. I think he would at this point. Yeah, I think that might be the point. But then you don't see his range. Yeah. C.R. This is one of my favorites. Can't believe you didn't mention it. Slicking back your hair as a movie identity change. Yes. Oh, yeah. What's better? Yeah, where it's like, who's this guy coming out of the dressing room? I'll never forget when that Miami vice season five when Crockett, God, amnesia became a bad guy and they fucking went right back. It's always either you're becoming a bad guy or you're becoming dangerous. That's the last episode before Netflix is when we're truly just like, what else we got? I mean, when we go to Netflix, I might just slick my hair back. I might just do it. I might do the mechanic, grow it out in the back, do a little ponytail. That's what you got to say. Oh, that's how you're going to get the double digits with him. I want to mention for what stage is the best and nine other categories. That guy from, I think Mystic River, Kevin Chapman. Oh, yeah. One of the great that guys who's now Kevin Chapman, you've seen him in a million self. Dickey Barrett's friend who he used to bring. Right, right, right. My friend Kevin, he's an actor. And this guy was like, Massachusetts guy, he's character in this movie is named Southie. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, just tremendous. They didn't even want to give him like calm, silly, and then I really like the parody portion of this. But I do, maybe this is a what stage of worst. I just think Pippin should have been in front of a green screen doing this psych system. I can't believe they didn't do that. Yeah. Let's go to Jerry Sykes. He's in Las Vegas. Yeah. And what's going on there? Jerry Sykes is in his math laboratory where he's cooking up. Guys, I went to MIT. I have six of the best engineers. Bitcoin or burger were best use of food or drink ripped through these quickly. Probably the thousand dollar bottle one. Yeah, I also just like, I think there's multiple Smith and Wolensky references in this movie. I like Pacino cleaning up whatever dessert that was. Oh yeah. What was that? Yeah. Whatever that was, that looked great. But good for this. This is a wonderful Crembrillet. I'm trying to redeem my Pacino after I started out as Collins. Oh my, this Crembrillet. Like this Brandon like Crembrillet. He was an abortion Michael. Would you have for great shot, Cordo Chris? You know, I wouldn't say that this is the most cinematically bribing. But I did really like the introduction of Walter's character to Brandon is just his hand hanging out the window with a cigarette. And it's also like foreshadowing of how Walter's always watching. We haven't really talked about the fact that like, maybe way through this movie just turns into kind of a thriller. Yeah. Walter is like, puppeteering Brandon's whole life and every sexual interaction he's had. Walter is paid for it. He's setting him up with his wife and all this stuff. But that's a great little character flare thing. Kid Cuddy pursued it happen as a word for best needle trap. This movie has good music, including Push Your Man from Curtis Mayfield. I like that. It's not unusual from Tom Chone, but Tom Chones, but the winner. The money they football theme in a movie just brings me so much joy. And they really put, they really go for it. It's like, I don't know if they paid or ripped it, but I loved hearing it. It's awesome. Yeah. Again, it's my wife's better judgment. We came out on our wedding night to the Fox pregame show. Did you really? I was mad when it ended. Yeah. I got away with it. That's amazing. We didn't even clear it. It was good. Did Jimmy go on a run when he was doing Fox? Didn't he go on a run with upset picks? Yeah, but when everything was straight up then, you couldn't buy this project. Probably can't. They don't even do it now, really. But yeah, we had, we were 4 and 0, 3 weeks in a row there. I like for cinematic. If I could jump back when I feel like when he was making out with our on the steps and, you know, Puccino's watching there's that shot. You can add any music to that. You can add righteous brothers. Third eye blind doesn't matter. I don't know those days. Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's the word for best character name. Is it Johnny Anthony? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Would you have for a flex category of CR? I mean, it's, it's, I'm sorry to be predictable, but the Sean Pan, I brought my own pack and excellence in on-screen smoking goes to Puccino. Yeah, especially because he's smoking through multiple heart attacks. I was going to say like, if we had had this category for all the Puccino movies, he would have won each time. It would have been like when Wayne Gretzky was just winning the Art Ross Memorial trophy year after year, the Mays Hall fan first bowed smoker. I agree. Which is girlfriend word for week link of the film. I like Armando Santé as an actor, but it's a strange character to introduce, make into a huge threat and then just kind of abandoned. Yeah. So the whole Novian thing kind of like, he pees on him and then we kind of never see him again. He's like, oh, no, he peed on him. Yeah, and he's like, I know where your family lives and it's like, well, okay, so then what happens next? Like, is he, are you always in a hawk to this guy? Right. Because he just lost him like $8 million, right? Yeah. That was a weird way to wrap him up. Like, is he teaching him a lesson? Is he a gangster? Is he? He's the bad guy and then Walter becomes the bad guy like 10 minutes later. Right. Exactly. I would say, do you think it's a better ending if they win the big game at the end? He's in the airport. He's starting to walk away and then he just gets shot in the head. He's definitely a better movie. Yeah. It's just like he's that peed on from the top. And the guy pees on him after he shoots him. I had, I had the seven-year-old daughter. sucked every line forced. What was she doing trying to steal the scenes? Um, now I have to say Piven and then merely not the him, but the character I think. I don't think they knew what to do with them. They did. It was just kind of lazy, entourage thing. He should have sabotaged them, right? Isn't this, isn't there a sabotage thing where he forced bleach and, uh, a great, a great like antagonist for the movie. Yeah, he did that. He was like kind of down the middle. Yeah. I think the idea is that Walter runs hot and cold with people and that's so like, right. Even the chauffeur in the beginning of the movie is like, I've only walked for him for two weeks. You know, like, everybody seems to come in and out of his orbit. But yeah. Yeah, but then you need the town to Mr Ripley, Marge scene where she's like, when Dickie, when he wants to be with you, it's like the sun shines on you. Yeah. When he finds someone else, right, right. The weather becomes cold. We didn't have that scene. Sykes should have started to take the opposite of Brandon's picks. That would have been the move. That's what I mean, Walter says at one point, like, why don't you just make your picks and then we'll bet the opposite. Yeah. That should have been Sykes's play. Can I tell you what I think happened? I think Piven had like a week between entourage and entourage season two. Sure. They're like, we got Jeremy's red hot right now. We only have them on the set for four days. Yeah. We got to figure out some reason for him to leave the movie with a half hour to go. And that was that I agree with you. He should have been a bigger part of this movie. My weak link. I just don't like the ending with the winning the big game, saving the business basically. John Anthony wins his one last pick. But at the same time, we have this Renee Rousseau trying to save her marriage thing, interspersed with the game. And I'm like, I just care about the game. There's a comeback going on right now. Right. Tampa's coming back or Kansas City, whoever it was. I just want to know what's happening here. And she's like, then it's like back to. I just do they try to do a rocky thing there where you're trying to listen for the results of the decision. But also you have to catch their embrace and everything and you have the zigzag through that. She just didn't work. Yeah. What's age to worse? I think guys having heart attacks at work and taking pills and then they're fine. I has been successfully medicated out of out of existence. Right. Like have you ever seen a guy have a minor cardiac event but just take a pill and be like, Oh, that was a big one. My dad, that's going to be me. I'm hoping. I'm telling you, it's cool. Before the pill even reaches your stomach, it appears to have worked. Yeah, it's just like it's almost a plus. It's all the effect in your mouth. Yeah. I have this air of sports gambling. As a Wednesday's worst, just because it's gone. Yeah. Like I'm saying, it literally has an age well because it's a completely different era of gambling now. This was the era of having a bookie 900 lines over the top advisor shows, nothing being policed. Right. You could fix games. Like this air is like from seven centuries ago now compared to where we are in 2025. Yeah. There's not $200 million going through that office. There just isn't. Like I just made it like it was a tech startup. Yeah. I think that we're supposed to intuit that Walter's been lying about all that stuff. Because he's got so many mortgages out and loan shark notes and stuff like that. How are they collecting? Well, one point they win one of those bets and the lady has all this money and she's counting the money. It's a good people drop the bets off. Yeah. Why don't you have all the extra money now? So that's how they do it. You're on a subscription for a year or you do it week to week or you do a $25 call. You don't get a piece of their bet. Imagine trying to track down someone's bet. No, like that was just you didn't need that part of it. Um, people not realizing back then that Johnny Anthony was brain and laying. So I guess this hinges on how famous brain and laying was with he was like Johnny man's L level like a real famous QB. Yeah. Or even Shane footsteps Falco. I think people would be like, yo, brain and laying's on that fucking Sunday sports advisor show. Okay. So this is crazy. I think he's supposed to be what the quarterback for Nevada, right? So you think it's a lower level ball. I just think it's in the mid 2000s. I did not know who the quarterback took them south and south. I'm not definitely bad on that. But his name is Link, right? It's Brandon Link. Link, but the real. The real guy is Link. Yeah. So yeah. I didn't, there's a whole based on a true story thing with the real Brandon, but that guy has been debunked in so many different ways. I don't even know if you want to give him this space. I know. This is the ultimate. This is based on a true story. Right. I don't know how true. A lot of the story was like the screenwriter Dan go where like met him once at a golf course, right? That was like kind of like the where the Genesis came from. Okay. Yeah. You know, Dan Pastorini is the only ex-athlete back then. I think that I knew that did that, right? Remember the, uh, that it was it? Was it Oilers quarterback Rams also. Pastorini did. He would do these. He was a tout. He was like one, uh, really? Yeah. Yeah. So other than that, though, these guys stayed away from that stuff. Here's the big wood sage the worst for me. I just don't, I wrote this 20 years ago. I still don't understand it now how we ended up with this title, which I know is a rewatch most character. I don't know what two for the money means. What does it mean? I don't know. Does it mean a parlay? Two for the money. What do you think it means? These two guys are in business together. That's it. Two are people for the money. Yeah, right. Isn't it one for the show, two for the money, three, kind of isn't that like I'm saying? One for the money, two for the, yeah, two for the show, three to get ready. In the column, I had the titles chasing the big hot streak and laying wood. Even money line. That's good. Yeah. Money line is good. The spring. Money grab, money line, parlay kids. Yeah. Two for the money is just doesn't work. Being John Anthony. We definitely could have found a different title. All right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word when we come up with a hot take. We have CR. It's not that hot. They should remake this movie as a period piece. I think the problem with this movie is that it doesn't imagine a different world. A world where gambling becomes legal, a world where we have it all on our phones and stuff like that. And if you went back and did it as like this is what the Wild West of sports gambling was before it became legal. I think that you would get a lot of the details prestige TV. Plus also I wonder if at this point the NFL would be like sure go ahead, use Marvin Harrison in this. And you could have like real games that people were betting on which probably would have grounded it more for people. Oh, I think Fandall would have been all over it. I think we would have used real uniforms and real everything. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. So I would either go back and be like back in the day. They were the, they were like the Cowboys on the range of sports gambling, like selling their picks and sometimes selling a dream that would never happen. And you could just do it in a different way. Whereas in the movie here, they're almost taking it for granted that we are like, yeah, of course, the sports advisors. Right. Well, I have an announcement. We have sold the movie rights to the ringer 107 for the money. It's called none for the money. We lose more than we win five podcast, all going under 500. So what is the expectation for ringer 107 that one of you guys would be doing better than this? We thought somebody was going to be like, you know, 60% ringer 107 right now. You are personally or fans, it's the fantasy show. Who is the driver? Isn't it tied to? Well, we're tied for first. And our method is basically what Brandon Lang does at the end of this movie where we just basically flipping coins. Yeah. To go up to ringer interns and just like, you pick two for no money. I don't understand that. Like, so like, why did the intern gets to pick it? Right. So immediately he's a fraud because everybody knows this. Everybody in a boiler room. He's been and then he loses 10 and a row after that. Like, why is everyone so connected to him? Still, I think that it's the a potential like some more after. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you're going to turn it around. Right. Yeah. You love that feeling. Yeah. Interesting. Do you have a how to stake or do you want me to go? No, I do. I think James Babydald Dixon as patino right there as for the remake. Yeah. For the remake. Do it. Guy, good luck with the buck in the ears. Call me with 50 grand wire it to my subordinate, Jonah or else go fuck yourself. Call me now. Baby doesn't gamble. I know. I know. Vince Mom was my other for, but that was it. Listen, I wrote this in that calm. I've said it a million times. I'll say it again. I just want one TV show or movie where the guy just wins the whole time and then the movie ends. I don't know why we have to have this is I'm supposed to escape when I watch a movie or TV show. We always have to do the thing where it starts out great. Yeah. Oh my God. Rock bottom three hours. Oh, we're doing. Yeah. How about just one where the guy wins for two hours? Very good. Yeah. Like, we have all these different shows where it's like, we get to escape with, we get we go on below deck. We get to have a vacation for a week on a year. That was kind of happening on Landman with the sun for a minute where it was just like, I guess this guy's just going to hit every oil well that he did. Yeah. True. Landman is our one hope. Yeah. I really missed that. I just slick back your hair, start getting winners and that's it. Let me go for the ride with you. My God. You went 29 and two. Yeah. That was amazing and credits. Now I'm rich and the movie. Maybe there's a sequel. Maybe not. Casting what ifs not a lot here other than uh, Russo's husband wrote the movie and and wrote it for Russo. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that couldn't find anything. Best that guy word. There's some great candidates here. Brandon Langs dad in the beginning was one of the bad guys in Roadhouse. Yes. He's the one who's like having sex in a closet. One of the first people swaisy fires ends up coming back as one of the bad guys. So he made John Doe in the that scene. Yeah. Gettie Watanabe is the chauffeur. He's not a that guy, but you might remember him as for 16 candles. Yes. And from a gung ho for sure. And then Ralph Garmin. That's right. Garmin. This was a big deal. This is you knew you knew Ralph Garmin. Jimmy was still at K rock. Ralph Garmin was the producer K rock. He would do voices. He was great. And this was a huge deal back then for him and Kevin and being shown. How did you know anything about how you like wind up in this movie? Was he going out for acting roles? Mostly voiceover stuff. Okay. And you know, I talked to the right people. And no gambling issue or anything. That's jealous. DM Waiters. Would you go Piffin or Chuck Adler? So I have Piffin, but I also have and I can't remember this character's name. I think it might be Tanya. The woman who comes in for one scene for slides. Yeah. Tammy who slides down into McConaughey's lap and Walter wanted you to have a good day. Yeah. Where? Why didn't she come back from the other scene? But she certainly does a lot with her one scene. Jamie King might be in there too is the prostitute. Yes. I think the winners Chuck Adler he's in for two minutes comes in at a control and hits it. Stayed very focused. Didn't care about any of this other outside stuff between Kevin and it was good. Would you have for recasting couch director city? I have the I have brandy main played by Edward Norton. So there is a version of this movie darker movie is much darker and is much more like a psychosexual thriller about an older guy who's trying to live vicariously through his young puppet and so it's directed by like Paul Vera. Yeah. And it's like Michael Douglas and Edward Norton or something and this winds up being like a much more entertaining movie. But there is like a lot of weird stuff going on in this movie with that. Like even the idea of him turning him into John Anthony. Yeah. Which is kind of a porn name and just feel like yeah, you're John Anthony now. Like you're going to go out with these hookers. It's so it's so strange. I'm going to sit in the chair. Well, you have sex with my wife. John Anthony. See, I had something. Maybe this is a little off the grid. Tracy Morgan doing macon haze. Guess what I did, Pacino. I got your wife pregnant again. I don't know. All right, we'll take a break. Then we'll do Craig's flex. Craig, did we take up your flex? No, not really. I wanted to point out. So we have the 4chan 3 clap award for the most gifable moment. Yeah. I think Pacino is the actor gif goat. I think you have he. You have the great ass. That's a big meme out there. You have Godfather 3. Pull me back in as a huge one. You have the once upon a time in Hollywood. What a picture. How the hell is I'm gambling again? Not a gif or a meme. That might be his best one ever. That every time somebody's team starts doing well again. You're just like, I'm that kid. I can't believe it's not a thing. Maybe this podcast will we have to start it. Yeah. It's one of the machinos best word with that. It's the most gifable moment. Yeah, that's pretty good. Or it's book about medals. Yeah. Or book about medals. Did we have in in my mailbag last week, I was saying how we're going to add the the Nico Harrison award for worst decision. Was there a worst decision in this movie? I mean, letting the intern pick the game, but I guess that worked. Also Brandon never betting his own bets. Yeah. Of course, that's it. I got him in the bathroom right before he goes. The paper is fucking everywhere. It's the most stressful shit I've ever seen in my life. I know he drenched it sweat like in the sink. They're all wet. All of his data. Oh my God. I have the Nico Harrison word winner just quitting on Jerry Sykes. Sykes system had a couple rough weeks. Like there were 42 variables and I wouldn't quit on it. I really put some time and he's very curious to know what how Sykes did for the rest of the season. And where he winds up. He hung his own shingle. Yeah. Do you think he's like working for the rockets? You know, like what does he do it? I think he had like a cup of coffee and the best damn sports show period. Got fired from there. Maybe like another cup of coffee at Yahoo. Right. And then. But does he wind up doing like the analytics for like the Buffalo sabers or something like that? Like does he, does he wind up ever getting into advanced statistics? Like song conference. I think he's one of the guys that goes to the song conference. And hopes he can run into somebody who works for a team and never had just looking past everyone. Have I certain research the USFL footage all real. All from the mid 80s. Teams that were in there. The bandits from Tampa Bay Boston breakers. Portland breakers Houston gamblers and the New Orleans team. And then guys get paid. They get $500. The residuals, maybe. And then the phone number feature on Walter show was 1 800 bet on it. That was an actual sports said by service. All right. Apex mountain. All three stars. No. Jamie King. Maybe. I don't know. Know what else she was and she had a moment. This was like. I went to the max America. Yeah. Yeah. Like she's though. Right. Yeah. For movies. I don't remember her being in a bigger one. Sports gambling movies. Probably still the gambler. She was in white chicks. That might have been. And Pearl Harbor. So Pearl Harbor was her. Probably sports gambling movies. The gambler James Conn or the gambler with Mark Wahlberg. Can we give you both. Or is it? I'm gambling again. Getting peed on and Central Park. Yeah. I guess Central Park. One 900 lines in a movie. So. What about it? Did we have a better. We have a better. What is there? I mean, it would be Goldberg. Did she have a 900 number and ghost? Reality bites. It was a big part of reality bites for like 15 minutes. We're on record calling. I think this might not 100 stuff. What was what 900 numbers you call the most? Well, my father at his business pay for his phone. He would work from home like once a week. And it was. It was huge that they paid for the phone. And I would call like Georgia championship wrestling. I would call like. I would call. I would call. I would call. I would call. I would call. I would call. I would call. Yeah. When I was working at the hero. One of the grunt jobs for like the lowest level of people. Which obviously I had was answering the phones. And a lot of the times it was people calling in high school games. So be like. like, situate 42, Swam Scott, 24. Like, all right, thanks. But then some people would call in and asking for like scores for NBA games. Would you give them to sometimes? Yeah. Would you charting? Hey, do you have a Nick sixes score? And be like, yeah, they went one away 100. All right. Thank you. And then hang up. You know what? That sounds like a pretty good job. Yeah, it was, it was a bet. It's a bet. I would call, I would call the Daily News, the front desk, the sports desk. And because like, you know, when we did fantasy, I would run these fantasy leagues. And if there was a Monday night game, you wouldn't get it until Wednesday. And so a buddy and I were in a closed game. I want to know Tuesday. So I'd call him like, Hey, can you tell me Mark Dupur? How many receiving yards and like four reception 77 yards. I'm busy kid. I'm like, okay, whoa, can you just tell me if you ran the ball? Did you run the ball too? It's like, I'm not then they'd hang up instantly. So we had to explain this to Craig who hosts. No, I think it's not a better country where people would just call the newspaper. Like people used to call my dad's office at the inquire or my dad's desk and be like, what time is Phantom Menace playing at the Chestnut Street movie theater? And he would sometimes be like, free. You know, like, yeah. You know, the luck going up. So you'd be like, all right, I'll answer this. So on the East Coast, USA Today, the Monday edition, heading or the Tuesday edition, most of the time wouldn't have the Monday score. So you'd have these fantasy leagues hanging in the balance. And we'd have no idea what the box score was until Wednesday. And then somebody would have to then finish the scores and then call us and tell you the scores or mail them out. But you'd have to wait till the Wednesday, USA Today to even know what happened on Monday. That's past waivers. How does that even work? Well, they get into that way. You're right, throwing away a little bit easier. We only had trades. Should we start the fantasy advisors now? And we just advise rich people's fantasy leagues. And we take 20% of their wedding. Basically, you're basically talking about here is go back to like blind fantasy. So like it's fantasy with no stats, no immediate statistics. So it's just faith in your team. It's kind of fun. Yeah, and you don't find out until Tuesday with that. I mean, we drafted our fantasy league with no technology. Maybe that's what we do next. Joe is fine. I got to be honest, I'd be much happier if I didn't know until Wednesday. We're in the art knockout league. I was going against Juan Dale Robinson yesterday who immediately had like 18 points. And then I was so fucking bummed out. And it was like 10 0 10 0 9. I just missed the idea of like not immediately like declining any phone number. I don't know, you know, like which is what you do now. But like it would be just be fun if like somebody was just calling you and be like, hey, what's puts that dolphin score? I actually kind of hate checking my fantasy score throughout Sunday. I almost wish I I couldn't, you know, when you, that's what I mean, I'm saying is let's go ahead. It's kind of nice. You get alerts that you don't even want. Yeah. Uh, more apex bound movies that play. You're nobody tells somebody loves you. The Dean Martin song, I think it's probably swingers for this. Yeah. But it's been a few. Hiven, I think you could make a case apex right here. It's between entourage season one and season two. Yeah. He's in this movie. The career's taking off. I think it like he's a big thing in Hollywood. I think it's probably he won Emmys, right? For Ari Gold. Oh, yeah, he's done hair restoration commercials like in the last three years. Movies with USFL footage. It's been a lot of them. Yeah. This probably leaned on the most. This is my favorite freight pickspan. Movies with Pacino as a cuck. Still heat, right? Oh, yeah, because he comes home and he finds a guy watching. What was the guy's TV? Is it Roy? No, no. What's standing? It's a Donnie Brasco. That's close. Is he cuck in that Nebraska? Let me just like, you're not getting my TV. Walter. This is the guy's name Walter and he Ralph Ralph, right? Ralph, you cannot watch my television. Cruiser Hanks, it's obviously, I had one more apex mount. Yeah, what is I'm sorry? Is Brandon Lang Apex Mountain for fictional football players plagued by injuries? So an injury derails a fictional football player's career. We could be Jason Street, Jason Street, Johnny Utah. I was, I had Utah when you've posited the question. Joe Pendleton, Jimmy Dix, Paul crew. Kind of more of like, Jimmy Dix was last boy scout. What was his injury? He just is pills and I think, yeah, a bunch of other stuff. Isn't it Johnny Utah? I guess he seemed like he was headed to be like a top 10, right? He's he played for Ohio's, he's a fucking surfers. Yeah, the surfers recognize that. Like he seemed like he was like legit famous. Yeah, that's like when they're like, Oh, shit, Johnny, fucking Utah. My man, Jason Street, though, was top blue. He would've been like a dip one. I mean, Johnny Utah did it. Johnny Utah was already where Jason Street. I have no idea what Johnny Utah was as a prospect coming out of high school. That's all I'm saying. Jason Street, it's a matter of what you was going to street. Like that was like, he was going to Notre Dame, you know? Yeah, maybe don't throw that pick and then try to tackle the guy dumbass. Cruiser Hanks. This is the most cruiser cruise performance. Yeah, I've tried to figure out where would he have run in this movie? Like away from our main assante. Yeah, running through the Central Park, running through Central Park, or running to get out of like running through the airport at some point. Brooklyn Bridge, Ron would have been cool. Yeah, you're right. Oh, Makane does jog in this movie a couple of times. Cruise would have loved that. A lot of mountain bike cruises getting trained and jogging by Steve Prefantane's uncle. He could have jogged around the hookers table. Yeah, a few times. Yeah, for a saddle. Scorsese or Spielberg, this one's pretty easy. Scorsese. This is a pretty interesting Scorsese movie. Yeah, what role would Philb Seymour Hoffman have played? A different version of the Armando Sante character, Noviin. Yeah, you could talk me in a Walter too. Yeah, older folks around those guys picking nets. I have a slew of them. So if you guys want to go, I'll save mine for the end. What do you got? Uh, I mean, the over on there on the Super Bowl's 36. So I looked this up. There were four that were lower than that, including our favorite Super Bowl Ravens. Oh, for 33. What? Yeah, really 33. Yeah, I looked it up from 2005 on the lowest was 43. But that's about changed 2005 on, well, that 04 was yours. I think it was like 35 36. Yeah, I think they could have made that a little higher. Jump out of me though. Yeah, a lot. The other thing is the one trend they use is like Kansas City is six and one against division opponents coming off on Monday night. It's like, whatever it was, it would have spanned the decade. I don't know why anybody would have fallen for that. But yeah, just a little, a million little things like that. Walter just spends a tremendous amount of time and money surveilling Brandon. And like, maybe he should have just concentrated more on the picks on the picks. Yeah. I had that as well, Walter, who doesn't seem known anything and was going bankrupt. But was able to spend five K and a hooker and another two grand dinner to give Brandon more confidence. Yeah. And then I played quarterback in college. He's fine renting an elephant, buying a camcorder suits. Yeah. Cartier car. Yeah, he's just got money. I did that didn't end up either. There's one more. Sorry. Yeah. Okay, bear with me here because there's a lot of crazy shit. But there's one great pick, right? He's got one great pick in him a week and he goes to he's going to Puerto Rico. He's going to give it to that guy because that guy's going to give him, however, but it was 50 K. He wants 250 K. And then what is it 10% of his winnings? Right. Yeah. Why what is the point of giving him 250,000 if the $1,000 plate player is getting the same pick? Right. Just find that guy put him on the street. Have him call Brandon and that's that. I don't know. Right. I do think should we start doing pick of the years? How's that? I did that once when we weren't doing well in ringer 107. We had a game was our favorite game of the year. We went all in on it. We like to start game and it actually won. Yeah, but you should do it for like Hornets pistons. This is my NBA central division. They can't catch up with Canippo. Yeah, but my psych system, but they do, they fraction it. It's afternoon game and the central division of the year. You know, you can end up having a thousand. Knit slash question. I think they mentioned baseball briefly, but like, what do these guys do for the other six months of the year? Are they betting basketball? It's great. There's no basketball at all. Are they betting Dodgers games? Like, yeah, they're doing this in October. The World Series is happening. There's no college football or there is, but they don't really talk about it ever. Right. Well, Brandon comes from college football. Yeah. But then like he's, I think he bet college football for a while before he goes to the pro. But I just don't understand, like, after February, did these guys just go to Barbados and like, hang out until, until train camp? No, it's the same. This is actually big for soccer picks too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's great. It's getting on. It's the gaming advisor here. They've been like, there's not nearly enough tennis right now. November is huge. Asia. Right. There's a lot of satellite tournaments. My picking nits include Brandon's TD running college when he gets hurt at the end when he doesn't spin moves. Yeah. It's amazing. Black in the back doesn't get called one of the line many watch it again. Like it's just. Mountain West. Can't believe they missed it. Mid aughts, you know, mention his reasons for like in Tampa over Oakland at the sports book. We're basically Brown only likes to catch the ball over his left shoulder and Ganon will throw three to four interceptions because of how they use their linebackers. That was it. But he did tap into the coach going into the world team thing. Right. Why do you just say that? Yeah. Right. Nothing. I love more than a coach going against. He knows all their weaknesses. And the chance is that Brandon's the only guy who noticed that. Yeah. Brandon's like, you bet. The guy behind the counter who's taken thousands of bets a day is like, oh man, you're right. You're right. How do we never think of that? You're right. John Grood and coached the Raiders. Why didn't Brandon just bet on his own games? He's in Vegas. Yeah. We win every time. He's living with his mom and his brother. Apparently stole a Thunderbird and is like supinant out. Yeah. You have great sports. Almanac. Do you sell the picks? Right. No. The cousin. Maybe the, maybe the brother needed to be like a little more in dire straits. I kind of wonder whether there's more family stuff that got cut out because like the dad, the whole dad team in the beginning, you'd think set something up that they were going to bring him back in. And he's calling Brandon. I don't know why Johnny, that he needs a fancy car in New York City. Just going to mention that. Also, there's never any traffic when John Anthony is diving. John Anthony goes 12 for 12 at one point. Yeah. That would be like one of the great flukes of all time. Nobody's ever gone 12 for 12, I don't think? Yes. Pam wouldn't report it, but yeah. We didn't talk about a mirror who doesn't really want to bet and then starts betting and then we see him and he's got a Ferrari and girls. I don't know. He's just a meat like a classic movie device, but then he loses 380,000 in one week. Yeah. He's like, why won't he? Why won't he? Why won't he? He's taking a 380,000 star driver. He's a driver. Yeah. Who is he connected to who's just like, yeah, I can carry that. Yeah. So what was his record? I feel like he was like 60 and four before he went on the losing straight. And no one added up. No one made enough money to the bell themselves out of a future loss. Yeah. No, Brandon and Brandon got some mirror after he's been high in Vegas. Okay. I think he has like two good weeks or three good weeks and then that's when it starts. Whenever it is that Walter is like, you're going to have to rip the money out of my Tatlons. Right. That's when Brandon starts going. So was I don't know if this is dip pick or I'm an answer, but was Brandon a prodigy or wasn't he? I think he had a hot. I think I got hot for a while. It was hot. Yeah. Okay. I think he just got hot for a couple weeks. [BLANK_AUDIO] last one. We mentioned it before, but that move where you go from 100 to 50 to 25 and you keep, why weren't they just doing this in the movie? It's such an interesting strategy. Like he could have laid that out. And it's like, here's the science of what we do. We get a thousand people. We narrow that down about the end of the day that we have a hundred and those, those are the whales. No, and that would have been the cool thing to move. Brandon comes along and he's like, no, that's not what we're going to do. We're just going to win. He's like, this is what these guys do. What I want you to do is be you, you know. Sequel prequel prestige to be all by cast or in touch. But I like the prestige going backwards, like a madman. I think you were on something with that one CR. There's definitely just a Brandon as a rising college OC movie sequel. Yeah. Like because he ends the movie, coaching kids football, but just watching him go up the ranks. And Makane comes back. Yeah. Maybe after we are Marshall, he didn't want to pursue that. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Mad Dog, Rousseau, Dora Spurt, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, now Byron Mayo, Tony Ramo, Chris Collins, we're Daniel Planebue, Long Legs or Wilford Brimley in the film. Walter is doing Byron Mayo in this movie. He's just like Brandon Tony while the cats are in a baseball play. I think Mad Dog. Mad Dog screaming it. Yeah. Well, I don't tell me about Texans, Jags. If that was playing my backyard, I wouldn't draw the blinds. What bet and Tampa Bay here. Uh, uh, James Gunn being involved. I think would have been good. Buffalo Bill. Yeah. Uh, uh, just one Oscar who gets it, uh, Pacino, best supporting. I don't know. Sure. Okay. I have a probably an answer ball question for you guys. Is Monday night football's popularity really based on the gambling losses of betters from the weekend? See, I always thought it was Sunday night because there wasn't Sunday night football, right? And then there was and they're like, Oh, we may, they may have stumbled upon it, but I think Sundays when you lose Monday is when typically the book bookies collect Monday morning. Okay. So you're not trying to like one last bit before the last bet. I think it's Sunday night, right? I think Sunday night is the chase because it's fresh off. You're not thinking rationally. You've just watched the games. It's just ended. Yeah. You're like, I, I, teagulls were up 20 or nothing. I saw my loss that I'm going to tease the Rams in the over. Yeah. You just go to that cover by the way and Rams in the over 34 to 7. 34. That's that probably covered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sunday is Monday. Monday is like you're spending the morning trying to figure out if you have enough finances to make it or whether you should join the Navy or take out a third or extra. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's on Monday. It is funny because our friend Brad, I was just going to say he told the story. He lost the Monday night game and didn't even stick around to try to, uh, because the boat was leaving Wednesday, I think. So he took our serious. He joined the Navy for three years to avoid a bookie. You didn't know this. No. Oh, yeah. Tell the story quick because it's, it's been we don't know my podcast, but now I know the exact number. It's a great over to Merrick Van over. They were the Florida state guy getting for the chiefs. Yeah. It was on the chiefs getting for up seven with two minutes left in the ball. And somehow it was a punt return to tie it. And then in overtime, uh, he lost by six. Okay. I don't know the other specifics of the players, the way he tells it is so much better. And then like he yelled like that was a lot of game. I think it was a kick return touchdown and over time to lose the game. Yeah. By Van over. Right. And he had it. He thought it was done. It was running for winning. By the way, when how many times has a kick return end to game? I mean, it's probably less than 10 times. So he loses and he disappears. He joins the Navy. How much was he down? I think it was like $4,000. But when you don't have it, I, you know, whatever. Yeah. He did. He Ponzi scheme did. Yeah. Lost, lost and put everything like to try to win it back. 93, 94 range, right? Yep. Dispirit for three years. Oh, he crap. Not worth it, probably a thousand 96 days, thousand 96 days, Randy, on that boat. And that was shell shocked anytime fireworks go off. It's a great trade off. The Van over game weren't Jersey. It's not a good gift for Brad. Yeah. Would you give that to him for Christmas? I love every good one. How quickly can you join the Navy, though? Like, doesn't it show up next day? 36 hours. Yeah. And let anybody in. If the bet lost, he was joined the Navy. My probably an answerable question is Pacino, the number one draft pick for the movie cook draft for guys you'd want to play the cook. It's just so good at it. So who's who's in the lottery here? I'm trying to think of other people that would be in there. Is Hackman? Michael Douglas. I just think because he had he's seeded so much like weird sexual like anxiety gear did it in the Dian Lane movie where right here goes and kills the guy with the Christmas Globe. Sure. We did that when I'm. Unfaithful. Unfaithful. Yeah, we did that one. It's a great one. I don't know the answer. I have one too. Well, the sunglasses indoors. Yeah, that's in his contract. That's good. It's hopefully wraparounds too. That's the best part. Yeah, they're really good. How much did John Anthony earn? Did we figure out how much he made 10% of the winnings? He wanted 10% came late. He wanted 10%. So over this gets a 100 grand or 200 grand from like multiple million dollar wins. It was a two million dollar win and he got 100 grand. Yeah. So it's five percent five. He wanted over the week. So you think he made 150 grand for this whole thing? More, right? Got to be a little. I don't know. I think it's just like everything else. It's like everything is on credit. You know what I mean? Like I think his his apartment is paid for by Walter. The girls are paid for by Walter. Walter sounds great. Yeah. It's like a sourced dream job. I mean, the entire net. You could pay me 65,000. But if you got to get everything else. And he did have sex with her. He didn't do it. They set up Walter. They do like a fake little kiss. And then it's like, no, that's the story. What does Walter want? He's like kind of setting up McConaughey to have sex with his wife. But then he spies on his brain. That's actually pretty interesting. Is this guy getting kind of obsessed with like the sexual vitality of the sexual lemon. Yeah. He is a sex lemon. Yeah. And he's he's betting her. He's gambling her. See, this is when you've watched a movie for 20 years straight. This is the kind of things you start picking up. The rush is him wondering if McConaughey is going to have sex with his wife. Yes. That's the rush. That's why it's so odd when you're watching it. And you're like, wait, why is the end of this movie all about whether or not like right or in Tony state together. But if you go back and watch it that way, the entire movie is about Walter like replacing himself with Brandon. So maybe a problem in Antsboro is that they had Viagra in 2005. He's just playing it hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, my my cock is a rocket ship right now. I can cut diamonds. What piece of memory would you want or not want from this movie cell? There's so much. I guess that the the car he's not driving. I'm not going to go with that. I'm going to go Jerry. Jeremy Piven's hair. Yeah. I really love it. If I had it, I'd wear it every Sunday night on guest aligns. Yeah. It'd be terrific. I'd same thing I do algorithm. Psych system algorithm. Psych system. I'd love to get the what he was looking at. I'd go game war and McConaughey's son Devils Jersey from the opening scene. And maybe with the hair extensions. That's good. Coach Finstack wore a best life lesson. Modestize that a virtue. It might be a vice. Great. Had streaks go cold. Cold streaks go hot. Should we start saying that? I think one lesson is just three years in the gambling anonymous. Yeah. The lemon speech. What's your double featured choice here? I would probably go rounders. Yeah. Now after you mentioned it, because that's it's basically like the even the way it opens with the voiceover and stuff like that. Like it just feels very of a piece. I had Devils advocate. Okay. I would watch that first, followed up with two for the money. And imagine Walter. Yeah. Yeah. Who won the movie? But you know, I had McConaughey. Nice. Yeah. I think McConaughey because it pivoted his arc, right? Could do serious movies after that. Not really. Yeah. Couple more bad years after this. But you know, this is like really right in the sweet spot of like it's super fun and and hammy. But it's also like an actually pretty good character and pretty good. He won it for Ebert too. Who won the movie for you, Craig? You know, the movie goes from fine to entertaining and rewatchable because of Pachino. Like if it was just another actor doing something, I don't know if you'd be visited as much. But like like we said, Pachino is the gift goat. Like half the things you're doing, this movie are hilarious. Yeah. Like the fake heart attack in the airport. Yeah. Right. It might be a national dad's penis. Like that's what keeps you coming back. This movie, this show, I actually, this sounds insane to say, but like I get why the show's called the rewatchables because upon first watch, I was like, you know, and then even just kind of going back and watching clips like yesterday before we did this. I'm like, you know what? I'm starting to like this movie a little bit more. It is. I think it's like, I think I thought of this movie as basic. a joke for 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. And then I was like, you know what, that movie is actually pretty good. And now it's like, it's, I barely needed to rewatch it for this. I think McConaughey and Pacino have really good chemistry. I like the old versus young pairing together. You know, if you remade this now, they should do McConaughey and Glenn Power. Like I like seeing the old guard and the young guard mixing together as one is leaving their prime and the other one is entering it. Yeah. It's such a great combo in movies. The premise is outrageous and yet they made it work. They really is outrageous. It was a two-hour movie for something we knew the whole time. It's luck. Might as well flip a coin. Oh, it did flip a coin. Look at that. I wonder if it would have been a much more popular or beloved movie if it was just about sports gambling. It was just about sports betters. And he was like, we have a, we have a syndicate or like, we pull our money to bet games together. But then this guy comes in and he's like the big dog and I and like, yeah, I wonder if the sports advisors touting thing made people like not understand it. Yeah. And also could have been a lot bigger. I mean, there's like a tiny wolf of Wall Street feeling to it when it starts working and you're in the office and everything's a little crazed. But it's the movie stays small. They never really leave Brooklyn Heights. No. They could have gotten bigger and the parties could have been crazy and they never really like dabbled in that. But that was an angle to go. That is actually what the piece of memorabilia is the townhouse. That would have been awesome to have like an office in the house. You know, you got the second floor of everybody's watching the games and stuff. I still think if this movie came out like an early March, I think it would have done really well. I'm always confused when they open movies like this during weeks when people like us would know the movies. Like like on Saturday and Sunday, Sal's watching football. He's not going to see two for the money. Right. The only movie you ever saw during football season ever was Blood Diamond that time. I was forced to go. Danny. Yeah. Yeah. And I was sobbing at the end of Blood Diamond. One of my favorite stars. Not at the end throughout the entire movie. Yeah. Over and over again. Also one last nitpick. You guys are you are you full? Are you 100% Italian half Italian? No, my mother's. You're half Italian. I'm half Italian. Macon. Brandon says brusqueta correctly. And they correct him and say it's brusqueta. But he's right. It's brusqueta. Interesting. Right. The original pronunciation. It's become brusqueta for some reason. Yeah. All the small plates restaurants come out of propism. Two for the money. Just another class that congrats to Pacino. Thanks to Craig and Gahau. Thanks to CR Sal. I don't know what our next one's going to be, but it's always fun to have you on the rewatch. Three for the money. Back to the future three for the money. Yeah. Thanks, guys. [Music]