Twilight Zone Of Death - Depew, Oklahoma

This week, in Depew, Oklahoma, an angry man, upset by being dumped by his girlfriend, goes on a bloodthirsty rampage, leaving a trail of bodies, carnage, and a terrified town that huddles together while police frantically search for the seemingly insane killer. Welcome to Small Town Murder. Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Small Town Murder. Yay! Yay, indeed, Jimmy. Yay, indeed. My name is James Petrigallo. I'm here with my co-host. I'm Jimmy Wissman. Thank you, folks, so much for joining us today on another absolutely wild, crazy adventure known as Small Town Murder. We have a, as you could tell by the opening, an insane story today. It just, wow. Should be fun. It's a crazy story. Yeah. There should be. There should be. There should be. There should have been 10 more people dead. It's insane. I don't even know how this happened. It's a wild story. We'll get to that. Before we do, head over to ShutUpAndGiveMeMurder.com. 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Family here, 40% married, 18% are single with children, so that's a little above the national average, but no crazy stats really jumping out. Race in this town, 70.3% white, 3.4% black, 0.0% Asian, 19.6% Native American, which it's normally 0.7 in the whole country. Oklahoma and New Mexico, it's heavy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where everybody went. And then 3.9% Hispanic. Religion here, 49% religious. It's 50-50 in the rest of the country. And no shock here, the number one by a long, long, long shot is Baptist. Everything else is like 4%. Baptist is 27%. As we know, Baptists are the Catholics of the central plains states. Plains, yeah. I don't know what to call it other than that. The Dust Bowl. Of the Dust Bowl, yeah. This is some Dust Bowl shit here. Unimportant. Deployment here, a little bit low, a little bit under the national average. All right. But the median household income is way below the national average. That's a problem. Yeah. It's 69,000 in the rest of the country. Here, $30,000 household. That is rough, rough times. Yeah, with that kind of money, you can't even live here and work in Tulsa. No. Because you don't have the gas money. Yeah, unless you make good money. And no one really works in this town. They live in Bristow, or they work in Bristow and a couple of the others. There are other small towns around it that are slightly bigger than this. This is a middle of nowhere, the town that died 80 years ago town sort of thing. Cost of living here, 82 here. 100 is regular average. Here, it's 82. The housing is the super low, low, low, low one here. Housing, median home cost, 166,800 bucks. It's not low enough. No. But again, this is like basically you're living in 1996. You make 30 grand and your house costs 160. $60,000. It's like living 30 years ago. If we've convinced you that you'd like to go back and live in another decade, we have for you the Depew, Oklahoma real estate report. Okay, here we go. Your average two bedroom rental goes for $840 a month, which is well below about a third low. It's about 1250 in the rest of the country. Here are the houses, and there's not a lot of them, and they're not great. Here's a four bedroom, two bath, 1,792 square foot dilapidated trailer. Oh, it's a trailer. It looks like it's going to fall down. I think it's a trailer. It's, yeah, manufactured. The front porch looks like if you stepped on it, it would be the bridge from Funny Farm. It would shake back and forth three times and then crumble into a pile, just a dust cloud. It's scary. Nice. 113,000. 113,000 for that, but it's also on 3.35 acres. Okay. So you get a little land. Yeah. Here is a three bedroom, two bath actual house here. I don't know. It's manufactured though, but it's not a trailer. Yeah, but it was delivered. Somebody brought it in pieces on trucks. Definitely. It had wide load glued to the back of it at some point. 1,512 square feet here. No land really to speak of here. Just a small little lot. $120,000 for that. Fuck. The house too, it was built in 2006 and definitely hasn't been touched since. A lot of carpet, a lot of old tile, a lot of shit like that. Bolted in 2006. And then finally, this is a nearby Bristow, which is where most of these people work and shit. It's very close by. This is a five bedroom, five bath, T-bowl for each and every B-hole. 3,913 square feet on 40 acres. Fucking A. Huge. It's a nice house. It's got brick on the outside. It's a sweet looking house too. It doesn't look like some long raised ranch or something. It looks really nice. $849,900 for that. And that's with a $25,000 price cut as well. I mean, that's pretty good. It's a big place. But you got to live in the middle of nowhere in Oklahoma. It's got like a pond, a fishing pond on it. It's a nice property if you want to live there, but it seems rough. But it's hot as shit here too. Yeah, that's the other problem. Things to do here, not much. I'm going to be honest with you guys. Not a whole lot. I did find the Depew Route 66 Festival and Car Show though. Okay, yeah. They're obsessed with Route 66, Jimmy. Obsessed. Get ready for a day packed with excitement at the Depew Fall Festival this October. Hosted on original Route 66 concrete. That's their claim to fame. This festival is a great place to make memories on the Mother Road. Jesus, the Mother Road. On the what? The Mother Road. And that's capitalized too. Capital M. Mother Road. Is that what it's called? I've never heard it called that before, but in this place, that's all they got. I don't know. The Car and Bike Show will feature a fleet of muscle cars, bikes, and trucks. You can also enjoy live music, food trucks, craft vendors, bounce houses, or try out the Firefighter Obstacle Course. We have a couple of blown out ACLs on that bad boy. That'll be fun. Bring the whole family to Main Street. To join the fun this fall. Keep the kids entertained all day. It's proudly presented to the support. To support the Depew Ladies Auxiliary. That's what the money goes to. What is that? So it says, whether you're a local resident, a cross-country road tripper, or a classic car hobbyist, there's something here for everyone. Whether you're from here, not from here, or like cars. We got it. You're covered. Do you like cars? Yes. Are you from here? No. Are you from somewhere else? Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. You like cars. You're in already. Basically, you just have to like cars. That's it. Free to attend, but to be in the car show, it's $25 per entry if you want to have a car and be in it. Then there's the Route 66 After Sturgis Party. Oh, fuck. This is all, this is bike. They have tons of biker shit around here, too. After Sturgis. That's three states away. Three states away. Bring your fucking way long tan titty. And after you've been drinking for a good solid week and come drinking hard town. Bring your man ponytail and your leather shoulders. Come on over. That's what they call their wives, their leather shoulders back here behind me. Leather shoulders. This is August 20th through 26th, so it's coming up. It's right now, actually. Oh, boy. Great bands all weekend. They don't name any of them, but great bands. They're great. The best. Wild adult hunt. Fuck, Jerry. Yeah. Wild adult contests and games. Adult contests and games. Wet t-shirt contests. Well, there's more. Bike games and show. Raffles. Indoor facility with food. Stripper pole and catwalk. I love how. I kind of want to go. If you go to this town, I guarantee you it's all, we're all just good God-fearing Christian people. Unless the bikers come. Till Sturgis ends. Take your tits out. It's okay. It's okay as long as you're on a motorcycle to be a scumbag. That's funny. One week post Sturgis. The titties are out. The titties are out. Oh, listen to this. There's a swimming pool and then there's a clothing optional swimming pond. A fucking pond full of naked scummy bikers who just got done with Sturgis. Think about that. They just did a week? There's fish floating to the top. Like, you just put a fucking stick of dynamite in there when those people jump in. They just put their balls in and all the fish die. Oh, man. There's a water slide, free tent camping, free hot showers, clean restrooms with flush toilets. Oh, is that right? And a whole lot more fun. That's what it says. Flush toilets. Now, what does it cost for this? A weekend pass is $50 per person to see. A weekend. Weekend pass. Saturday only, $40 per person at the gate. Wow. These are $300. Per night? I think just for the weekend. For the weekend. And then there are rules to this thing. Gotta have some rules so everybody can have fun, it says on their site. No one under 21 admitted. So there's no kids. This is why the titties are out. No weapons, no glass containers, no bad attitudes, no illegal drugs, pets okay on a leash, no roping off compounds and wear your armbands at all times. I think there's a lot of people here who'll have the armbands ahead of time. Don't worry about that. I don't think you're going to have any trouble with that. Oh, boy. Crime rate in this town. What we're interested in here. Crime. I bet it rises August 20th through 26th. This is crime outside of the biker after Sturgis weekend. Less crime. Jesus Christ. That is wild. Property crime, about half of the average. So pretty damn safe there. And then violent crime, murder, rape, robbery, and of course, assault. The Mount Rushmore. Crime is about one quarter beneath the national average as well. So not bad. Pretty safe little play. There's only 400 people here and they're pretty spread out. So what are you doing? Why would you be too mad? Yeah. Why would you have a lot of violence? I can't understand it. So that said, let's talk about a murder that happened here. Get one in multiple murders and a whole lot of shit. All right, here we go. Late September 2002 is where we're going to start. We don't know an exact date. Just late September 2002. So, you know, summer's ending. Fall's beginning. Very nice. Wrapping it up. Wrapping it up. This is a. amazing. A man rides into town on a bike. Okay. Bicycle, a bicycle, not a bike, not a room, a pedal, pedal, um, a wicked witch as the court document put it. And this is what sold me on the case was the first line of the court document quote rode into Depew, Oklahoma period, literally period riding a bicycle period. That's even the person writing the court doc was like, this is asinine dude rode into town on a bicycle. What the fuck are you doing? Literally. That's awesome. All of his worldly possessions on a bicycle on a, but yeah, if you, it's, what can you carry on a bicycle? You know, not a lot. So this guy who rolls in is Scott James Eisenberg E I Z E M B E R Eisenberg Eisenberg. Uh, he's born January 10th, 1961. He's from Detroit. Yeah. And, uh, we'll get more into his background later, but, um, let's start with here. He pulls into town. Where'd he come from today? Cause he didn't from Michigan. Detroit's a long ride. He from Michigan. He rode his bike from, from suburban Detroit to Depew, Oklahoma. That is no shit. He literally did that. He rode from there to there. Okay. Dude rides his bike. Um, yeah. So now back to the ride into town, he stops at the edge of town or at the edge of a flower bed in front of the Methodist church, rolls his bike up to a flower bed at the Methodist church. There, he meets a man named John Wright, who is mowing the church lawn. Okay. This is the first guy he sees in town. Essentially. First person he comes in contact with is John Wright. Now, John Wright is a very nice guy. He's the type of guy who would, uh, you know, mow a church lawn, that kind of guy. You know what I mean? Like I'm not mowing your church's lawn. You take in plenty, hire somebody. I'm not fucking doing it. That's sorry. I didn't pay taxes to use some of that. Exactly. So I'm not, I don't know. That goes for anybody's lawn unless it's like an elderly relative of mine. And even then I'll probably pay someone to mow it. I'm not mowing your fucking lawn. It's hot. I don't want to do that. So, uh, mow my own lawn if it was smaller, but, um, so there's a lot of grass out there, Jimmy, tons of grass, too much grass doesn't stop. So he's a retired school teacher. This guy, John Wright, he's a church member and a nice guy. Obviously he's on a Saturday afternoon mowing the grass. That's a good guy. Um, now Scott Eisenberg tells John Wright that I am riding my bicycle cross country from Detroit to San Diego currently long, long ride. They it's not cross, but sure. It's I mean, down and over it's as cross across as you can get from Detroit. I guess it's where you start to shore. So yeah, it's as far as from where he is across, you know? So the reason why he's doing this, cause that's the first question. Why, why pray tell why, uh, he said, I'm doing it to raise money for the victims of what do you think it is? Jimmy think about nine 11, nine 11. I am raising that right. Money for the victims of the September 11th terrorist attacks. Now, if you're younger and you don't know last year, but it's only a year. And that was, that year was not a, it did not feel like a year. That shit felt like yesterday a year from then. That was quick. That was going on. It was ongoing a lot. They were still digging through the rubble a year from now. It was still on fire. Wasn't it? I don't know if it was maybe I can't remember that, but I know they were still digging through shit, trying to find people and corpses and shit a year later. So it's a big deal. So that's the thing. If you're too young to remember though, September 11th, you could, you could be doing anything and say, Oh, I'm raising money for the victims of September 11th. And people will just give you money back then. It was, there were so many scams that got found out that we're not really doing that. So anyway, Scott here, he asks John Wright, if he could pitch a tent and sleep overnight on the church lawn. And then, cause he's going to keep on riding the next day. So, you know, is that all right? If I camp out and what do you think? And the church lawn guys have set up a tent. Yeah. You guys are here we go right here, charity. So this right though, John Wright is such a nice guy. That's not enough. I can't make this poor man sleep outside. He's riding across the country to help September 11th victims. He said, no, no, no. Come on in, come on inside the church where it's air conditioned. It's hot out here. So he brings him inside where it's air conditioned and said, you can sleep in the fellowship hall inside the church tonight, you know, stay here. So this guy said, sure, no problem. I mean, would you rather sleep on a tent or in air conditioning? Um, and even went to church services the next morning after he woke up. Oh, nice. Yeah. So he sleeps there, attends church services and this begins the, he doesn't leave after that. He's supposed to be on his way to San Diego, but he ends up hanging out here and becoming friends with this John Wright. They hit it off together, you know, having a, uh, you know, talk back and forth. And basically they just John Wright, adopts this guy essentially. He says, well, if you're going to stay here for a while, let's get you all introduced to everybody in town. And let me introduce you to all the church members and all my neighbors and my family. And you can, you know, he's just welcoming him, welcoming him right into the flock. Like without any, he knows nothing about his background. Doesn't know this man whatsoever. Bad idea. Just hijacked a man from benefiting the victims of nine 11. Yeah. What about them? You're going to stay here. What about the victims around here? How much money have you, do you have? That's the other thing. I'd have so many questions. Do you, are you like carrying a bunch of cash from people just throwing you fives as you roll down the street? Or do you have like sponsors, like per mile, they pay you this much. Who are they? How many do you have? What kind of money are you looking at raising? It's 2002. There aren't websites that are just set up where you can just donate. So it's, it's not like he's getting publicity and people are just like, I mean, there are, but he doesn't have bucks over to a website. I mean, there are websites, but he doesn't have one. No, no. Yeah. 2002 exists. Fuck. Do charity websites exist? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Every website existed by 2002. I mean, yeah, I knew that websites existed, but I don't like all like, like something live, like a go fund me. That didn't exist. I don't know if it was a go fund me, but they had like certain charities would have their own pages and they would do all sorts of shit like that. But so he just introduces him around and some of the first people he introduces that live across the street and meet my neighbors. Uh, that is, uh, an elderly couple who have some health problems. This is AJ Cantrell and his wife Patsy. All right. Um, now AJ was born January 28th, 1927. So not a spring chicken, 75 years old at this point. Yeah. Uh, he's born and raised in Depew. So he's watched, he actually watched it die over time. He was a young man at the bubble. Yeah. I mean, in the thirties, he's like, this place is great. And then everyone started, started leaving and it didn't work out. Um, his parents are, uh, James Henry Cantrell and Nora Cantrell. He has four brothers and two sisters that I could find, uh, information on. So seven kids, that's some depression, dust bullshit. He gets married in the early fifties to Patsy. At this point, they've been married over 50 years, Patsy and AJ. And when the story's taking place now, Patsy is Patsy May Melton. Originally she became Patsy Cantrell. She's born March 10th, 1933. So a few years younger, six years younger. She's, you know, about 70 at this point. She's also born and raised in Depew. He's probably, they probably knew each other from the time they were five years old and got married. Uh, her parents are Leslie and her mom's name is Ora. O-R-A. I've never heard that as a first name of you, Ora. Um, he has an older, she has an older brother and a twin sister named Peggy Faye. Peggy Faye got Peggy Faye and she got Ora? No, Ora's the mom. Oh, she's Patsy May and her sister's Peggy Faye. Got it. Her parents named them Patsy May and Peggy Faye. Um, which is wild. And May and Faye. Fuck it. May and Faye. Uh, now AJ and Patsy have three daughters together. They have Deborah, Marsha, and their youngest, Linda, um, together. AJ for years and years was a sign painter. And from what I understand, an excellent sign painter. Um, really? He painted like, you know, gym floors. If the high school needed their logo on it, he'd paint that. He did, uh, like on the sides of oil tankers, he did logos. Oh, that kind of sign. Yeah. So he does like big giant signs and big things that he paints and does a, he's the guy in town that does that. And he's the best at it. Um, he's also a musician just for fun. He plays the guitar and plays the fiddle. And he taught himself how to do that over the years. And, um, I was hoping we were about to get the inventor of the stop sign. No, no, no, no, no, but he could paint one up like nobody's business or the railroad crossing or some shit. You give him a piece of metal, he'll paint it. Don't you worry about that. So the problem is AJ is not doing well health wise by 2000 to that late 2002, early 2003. He suffered from what his doctor called end stage chronic, uh, C-P-O-D, or C-O-P-D. - C-O-P-D. Chronic obstructive pulmonary disorder. That's what he's got. He's got emphysema so advanced that his physician said he could not walk across a room without going into real distress. Wow. He has to take a break going from the living room to the kitchen. He's not doing well. He's doing bad. Is that what emphysema does? If it's that bad, you can't breathe. You're drowning, essentially. There's fluid in your lungs. Shit. More of that. You can't breathe. You can't get any oxygen. You're tired and you can't move. Stuff. He also has diabetes. Oh, my. And a really bad rotator cuff injury as well. So he can't lift his arm up or out. He basically has it. It's just dangling. And he's too old and sick to get surgery on it. Oh, my God. Patsy's been a homemaker most of her life. She was a part-time substitute teacher after the kids got a little older, worked for Bell Telephone for a little bit. She collects antiques and goes to church. That's what she does. She's a sweet little old church lady. That's all it is. Sweet little lady. She's a diabetic. She also has heart disease and she's going blind as well. These two. These two are like if Mr. Magoo had a wife and they went out together bumping into walls and shit. This is rough on these two. It's tough. Giving each other insulin shots. If they could see. Hold on. Was that you? What is that? All right. I think you just gave my insulin to the cat. Yeah. I think. Well. Well, not to the cat. To their chihuahua, which they have. I was just going to mention. Look, hopefully they don't fuck up and give it to the chihuahua because that'll kill it. I think they're very small. So introduces Scott to the Cantrells. Yeah. Also introduces him to his own family. John Wright's family. His family includes his wife, Carla, who's about his age, about 60 years old. John and Carla. Carla's. Also, they have his daughter and his son-in-law. He introduces him to as well. His daughter's name is Kathy Biggs. She's a registered nurse. She has a 16-year-old son named Tyler Montgomery, who's a fucking badass. Wait till you hear about this kid. Yeah. From an earlier marriage. And at the time, though, the boy is living with John and Carla Wright. Well, Kathy and her new husband live. On the same street, essentially. This is one of those where they all live on the same street. The Cantrells live on one side of the street. On the other side of the street is the Wright family and then the Biggs, Kathy and Mark. Now, Mark Biggs is the son-in-law. John Wright's son-in-law. Now, he has a boot and Western store. That's what he does. Yeah. Which seems. How many. Biggs boots. Biggs boots. Who else? What else would it be? There's got to be so many of these there, right? Oh, like every town is overflowing with these. Has to be. That's all these people wear, I would imagine. So it's this and tack and feed store. Tack and. Well, yeah. Yeah. Tack and feed. Yeah. The kind of 4-H stores. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes the tack and feed is the same one as Bill. Oh, they have this. They have these in there. Yeah. Yeah. I've been in those places where they can feed. There's a clothing section. Boots and feed. Feed and tack. Yeah. Wow. We groom your pets, too. Bring them on. Bring your fucking alpacas in here. We'll trim them up. They don't care. So now when he when Mark Biggs meets Scott, they talk for a while. And he said there's a machine in his boot and Western wear store that isn't working. Oh, it's a machine. Some machine that does something. I don't know. Makes a custom. Some shit. So. So is the soul on or some shit. Something. So Scott says, well, I think I can help you with that because I used to be an engineer at the Ford Motor Company. So. Oh, and I can fix this for you. Probably. I'm good with machines. And so right there, John Wright takes takes Scott to the home to Mark's home. And he works on the machine. Apparently fixes it. Oh, so there you go. He's good with machines that night. Scott stays. The night at the at the home of Kathy and Mark Biggs. So he fixed the machine that earns him a night in the spare bedroom, essentially, where the come on over where the boy should be sleeping, the 16 year old, but he's not for some reason. So a couple of days later here out of nowhere, Scott tells the rights and the bigs here, Mark and Kathy and John and Carla, that he needs to go to Edmond, Oklahoma. I have to go to Edmond. Um, they said it's not really safe to ride your bicycle on the highway out there and it's going to be dark by the time you get there. So we'll just give you a ride. How's that? And he said, well, yeah, great. Sounds good. Sure. Okay. They don't hear from him again. This is that was September 2002. They don't hear from him again until the week of Thanksgiving. So Scott, Scott, they dropped Scott off in Edmond, Oklahoma, and then that's pretty much all they hear from. So they figure. That's it for Scott. He moved on. You know, he lives in Edmond now. That's it. Or in San Diego or Detroit or fucking, you know, Coeur d'Alene. Who knows? It could be anywhere. Wherever there's money to be made for 9-11. He'll be there wherever money can be collected for the victims of a terrorist attack. That's where I'm going to be. That's right. Because I'm Scott. I care. You'll find me there. So they don't appear. They don't hear from him. Then they learn that he was. He's arriving. He tells them he's going to be at the Tulsa bus station, taking a ride in the bus from the bus into Tulsa. So, OK, John Wright's wife, Carla, asks Mark Biggs, her son-in-law, will you pick Scott up at the bus station, drive him back to the pew? I don't know how he became a member of the family in a week to where we have to pick him up from fucking airports and bus stations and shit. This is weird. But he's the only guy that could fix that machine. I don't know how he did it. We have to keep him alive. Apparently, he's our responsibility now. That's it. We have to help him with everything he needs. We need to help this man. So Scott tells Mark Biggs and Kathy or just tells Mark Biggs on the ride that, yeah, yeah, I'm just trying to, you know, trying to get myself together because my wife and two young children died in a car crash. Oh, no. He said, I don't have any place to live. And, you know, I don't need to be back in Detroit. I don't need to be back in Detroit anytime soon because my family's dead. So I got nothing to live for. That's why I got on this bicycle and try to make something of my life and help others. Maybe. I don't know. I'm just me and my mongoose. That's right. So they said, well, you just stay for Thanksgiving dinner, mister. You sit yourself right. You don't have a family. Extra trimmings for you, sir. Boy, do I have a gravy boat with your name on it. Oh, boy. You don't even know. We got we got the good. We got cranberries, but we do them both ways. We got the can. We got the can. You can see the can outline in it and you just last them up. I don't mind the can. I don't mind those because those are those are good cut lines. Those can marks. Those are good. And then we made fresh, too. We got everything here. You can imagine for Thanksgiving. We're called the gravy boat. The S.S. Scott this year. Yes. Yes. Scott's Scott's our guy. That's it. So he stays there, stays at the big home and eats Thanksgiving dinner with him. And they decide, basically, you can stay here for a little while. If you want with Mark and Kathy. So he says, sure, I'll stay with them. No problem. Take it. Sets up the spare bedroom within two weeks. He's banging Kathy Biggs. What? Within two weeks. He is fucking the lady of the house. Within two. I mean, I've I've certainly slept with people early, but not like people. Someone's wife. Like you're living. Like that's not not somebody I didn't take on a date. And they were already in a relationship and they're already married and with the guy in the house and they're feeding you like this is crazy. That's crazy. That's why would he do that? I mean, I mean, he's a bounder. That's what he does. Yeah. Good. I mean, he's so sad deal. He's so sad from his wife and kids dying. He's got nothing. You know, he needs some. And that's the story. Just got to fuck that guy. He's like he sat there. And I'm just lonely. You know, I'm lonely. My wife and she's dead. And I've been so sad and all that. Next thing you know, one thing leads to another. She feels bad and it's time. So, you know, pity pussy is underrated. No, it is. It's no difference to us. Your reasoning for letting us indulge is meaningless to us. We don't care if it's for sympathy. We don't care if it's pity. We don't care. You're super into it. Like either way. It's like it's it's the same. It's the same experience for us. Pretty much. That's the thing. As a man. However, it is begotten. That's the that's just biological. It's not our brain. There's no way it works. Consent is never ill gotten. No, that's why a guy can go get a blow job for twenty dollars standing up in an alley and come. Imagine if a woman went for paid a man twenty dollars to go down on her in an alley. She couldn't come for six months trying that. You know what? I mean, a guy can get it off in five minutes. That's disturbing. Well, he's on the lookout for cops. Yeah, exactly. While he's scrolling, looking back and scanning the street and shit, looking for pimps and cops, someone who's going to roll him all his dicks out next to a dumpster. Well, he's in the most vulnerable position apart from she's in the most vulnerable position. I would say probably whoever's got a dick in their mouth is the most vulnerable. I believe he'll still come or a woman that would never happen. Not in a million years, in a million fucking years. So that's why we're different. He keeps missing the clit and she's looking for the cops. She's like, it's fine. Get a rhythm. God damn. So December, this is crazy. This story somehow gets crazier. December 13th, 2002. Wow. Scott goes up to Mark and says, look, Mark, I know you've taken me in for the last couple of weeks. And let me stay at your house and, you know, let me live here and fed me. But me and Kathy are in love. And that's just the way it is. I've been indulging. We're in love. I got feelings. Yeah. I got feelings. It's been two weeks. We're in love. Okay. Oh, boy. Now, part of this is Scott told Kathy that he got a court settlement from a trucking company that he worked for where he got hurt for over a million dollars. He said, so I got money coming in. I got a million dollars coming in here. Yeah. So, you know, whatever. And he also said that I'd like Mark to move out, though. Yeah. I can't have both of us here. So, yeah. Mark packed up his shit and left that day. How not in love has he been? He's like, finally. Thank you. Peace, bitches. Yeah. It has to be because if you were, wouldn't you murder him and put his corpse on his bicycle and shove him down the road? There you go. Asshole. Bye. Go bring him back to the church lawn. Like, we gave you a ride down the road and didn't hear from you for two weeks. I think I could murder you and nobody will ever know. No one will ever know. But that's what I mean. And this is this is crazy. Like, you're going to move into my house and do this. And you're OK. I'll just leave over my house. Yeah. And by the way, the murder is the murders in this story. Murder is not. You're killing Scott. You'd imagine that's what's forthcoming now. Now Mark's going to murder Scott. No, he's not. So he moves out with December. A lot of stuff's up with Kathy. December 21st, 2002. Eight days later, Mark files for divorce. So he was that sounds like he was done. And this was the final push. I mean, if you sleep with somebody else, there is no talking about this. That's how he feels. That's it. So the next few months of these of this relationship. Here, we'll talk about Mark and Kathy divorce pretty quickly. They have no kids. So it's an easier divorce. Well, they had Tyler. Oh, well, no, Tyler. Tyler's Tyler's Kathy's not his. Oh, Tyler's a Montgomery, not a bigs. OK, got it. So damn Montgomery's. That just reminded me of Righteous Gemstones there. So anyway, they get divorced. Scott and Kathy live together for a few months. OK, they share. An apartment in Tulsa. Hey, big shocker. That million dollars never materialized. It's not real. Not real. Stop it. You think you just give it all to the families of 9-11. He's so concerned, but maybe surprised and surprised. That's what he should have said. I gave it all to the families of 9-11. I'm sorry. I had to. It ate at my soul. Kathy, it ate at my soul. I had to divide a million by 30 or 3000. It's not much. It ain't much. That's the thing. Maybe it could just be. Maybe one day of happiness for that one of them families. That's all I'm saying. Maybe a day in Disneyland for the kids. Something, you know, it's probably $3,000 a person in a family, I guess. Yeah. So in July, Kathy's working as a registered nurse in Lawton, Oklahoma, working six days on and six days off. Oh, that's a pretty good life, right? It's not a terrible schedule. So she works in Lawton. And then when she's not working, she returns to the Tulsa apartment and stays with Scott. So he begins to basically, she's got a life. She has a job, a good job. She's got a son that she keeps in contact with and does all this. It's not all revolving around Scott. And he's not real thrilled about that. It's very upsetting. Yeah. He doesn't like that. He moved her off the street where her family lived. So maybe they could, you know, he could control her and have control of her. So it's very weird. He told Kathy how she was allowed. This is what you're allowed to dress. This is what you're allowed to wear. Like he laid down the law. It wasn't, you know, individual. I don't like that shirt. It was, you're allowed to wear shit like this or like that. And that's it. Yeah. Which is how you live. Oh, I tell Sarah exactly what to wear. And then she kicks me in the balls and puts on what she wants. I'm not going to tell people what to fucking wear. You kidding me? Can you, you've met my mother. Imagine if someone told my mother what to wear. She'd stab them. Like I never thought that was an option to control a woman for one fucking second. She would. Yeah. I didn't know there was an option outside of bed that looks amazing. That's it. It's either that or I'm not saying shit. That's it. Those are your options. One or the other. So he told her that he would tell her how to wear her hair in ways that the way he, other people put it in ways that would be the least attractive to other men, which I don't know. We don't care about hair. So I don't know if you're, if you have tits also, your hair could be on fire. You could have Medusa snakes coming out of your head. It'd be pretty hard to notice. So I'll sleep with a bald chick. I don't give a fuck. I don't care. No, we have never, I've never once been like that chick's hot. I wish she'd do something different with her hair though. We've, I've never heard another man say that unless it's real short. That's then they kind of go, I don't know. I don't really like that, but man, she's hot anyway. Like I, I feel like it'd be probably better with very, short cropped hair. You don't have to like hold a pony for a blowy or anything. You do nothing. Well, yeah, but you don't have to, or you don't want to, you know what I mean? What are we talking about here? All right. We're getting into deep. If you don't have any hair, I don't have to do anything. That's amazing. Oh man. I don't have to help. Yeah. What do you think? You're actually doing the lifting. I think you're just holding on. So you feel like you have some control over this. Just trying to keep it out of her mouth, the poor thing. So he would also accuse her over and over and over again of cheating on him over and over again, which is what these assholes do also. So it's kind of how he is now. The relationship in July starts to get worse because apparently he yelled at somebody in her family and we can't exactly nail down who he yelled at, but he yelled at somebody. There's one newspaper article said he yelled at her daughter, but I don't know. I didn't know she had a daughter. So if she has a daughter, I haven't heard about it and I couldn't find it for the rest of the episode. So I'm not sure. One thing he does do to her though, during this time period when she's trying to rebel and trying to get her own autonomy, he duct taped her mouth shut and held a steak knife to her and raped her. Oh Jesus. Oh yeah. Yeah. So she, she's not someone who's used to this. And people who aren't used to this don't take this shit. And she did not take this shit. She immediately told her to him to get the fuck out, said she was calling the cops, got a restraining order on him, kicked him out, had the utilities turned off, got a protective order and move back to her parents' house in Depew. Wow. I mean, one day it was over. So good for her. She basically had to flee that day. Now who is Scott? Because we've, we've talked about everyone else's background. Yeah. Scott's just a guy who literally rolled into town on a Schwinn and he's like, hi guys, like my Huffy. Let's, you know, I'm going to bang your wife and live at the church and do all this shit. So he was two sprockets and a bicycle seat and he's, that's it. And he said, so far he said he was an engineer at Ford. He said he worked for a trucking company and got injured and got a million dollars. His wife and kids were dead. This is the story he's put out and it's several different stories. Well, let's find out. Let's find out about his background. His biological mother, Devonia, killed herself when he was nine months old. Oh boy. Offed herself. So he's, he has no memories of her, obviously. Nine months is too young for that. The man who raised him, his father, Stanley was, who, by the way, he said later, he didn't think was his real father. He thought it was his stepfather. He doesn't know, but he doesn't know. Okay. This guy blamed Scott for the mother's suicide. Yeah, I mean. He blamed a baby. Yeah. Which, it's one thing to go, that might have caused her postpartum suicide, but you don't go, hey baby, you little shithead. How dare you do that to your mother? It's not the baby's fault. At nine months you were whispering, do it. Do it. Come on. Just getting her bottles of sleeping pills, putting them down next to her, stumbling away like a toddler. No, you can do it. So his dad beat him severely. Beaten quite a bit. his father was a, heavy drinking alcoholic who would beat everybody there's also drugs in the house and things like that there's a lot of accounts that say his mother was really drug addicted while she was pregnant with him which would also make sense more of the suicide um so i mean not good she was doing drugs while she was pregnant with him she kills herself dad's a drunk who beats the shit out of him all the time then at some point his dad remarried a woman named dorothy who became like a savior to him she was nice to him somehow this poor dorothy got roped into this shit and dorothy is sweet to him nice to him treats him like a son and he acts like she's the sun rising i mean loves dorothy then he's 15 years old dorothy dies what is going on not good uh liver disease she died of some sort of liver disease i don't know if it's cirrhosis or what but she might have been a happy drunk was part of dorothy's deal yeah she may have been the coolest drunk that's it just a happy drunk um yeah but she was the one who caused him to not get beat all the time she was the one who took care of him paid attention to him soon as she's gone things get worse for scott at home um it goes back and to beatings but now he's an adult so they're bigger they're bigger yeah exactly yeah you can punch a 15 year old you can't punch a baby you know what i mean you'll kill it so he at 16 leaves the house which most kids most kids who leave and stay gone it's because of abuse they're not just like i'm bored i'm gonna leave and never come back that's not that doesn't usually happen it's not like it's the 1800s where people are like i'm gonna go join the circus because i want adventure like that's not what it is mom cooks like shit i'm moving out that ain't the way it works now um it's usually abuse so it's 16 uh he leaves home he's got some whole life to live and he's like i'm gonna leave he's homeless here and there because he's 16 and uh he would work a little bit and kind of try to get it together at 16 years old he fathered a daughter with his girlfriend and uh there they get married and then divorced so he's definitely got a daughter there then around 1992 he married a woman named roberta and they lived in the the detroit area and had two children okay shit now roberta described the marriage as thusly he's an alcoholic who couldn't hold a job and accused her of constantly cheating and beat the shit out of her on a regular basis so an abusive controlling lunatic asshole he acts like with roberta same way he acted with kathy years later she said that he became increasingly withdrawn from the family in the spring of 2002 just started acting really weird if you remember he rolled he rolled into town in september of 2002. she's with roberta for over 10 years huh over 10 years two kids stable i mean not stable you heard what he was doing but from the outside a house with two cars in the driveway and you know kids and all that shit so roberta described the moment she decided to leave she told scott that she was taking the two kids and going um he said if you ever try to leave i'll kill all three of you two kids and you okay so she left and filed for divorce and returned with a police escort to get her shit oh smart yeah he's not good at picking victims he's not good at it he's very bad doesn't have the that that victim hunter prey thing doesn't have that that's six cents who he wants to abuse that yes and they they're not up for it so i mean they've all got a line that's what it is exactly and they got a hard line in the sand that once it's beyond that yeah they're out yeah he's just looking for a victim and hasn't found one here because none of these women will deal with his shit he apparently likes a certain woman and a woman with a certain i don't know if he likes strong women i don't know if he likes a woman with a certain amount of strength so he could try to break it is that his goal maybe that might be it yeah maybe i don't know it's weird so yeah anyway it might be something about dorothy that he's trying to duplicate her somewhere and dorothy was a good person with a constitution just with a that's it yeah well all right so that inside basically this is what she said too when she goes back to get her shit inside the house she found rotting packages of ground beef and all sorts of gross shit um yeah all sorts of weird disgusting thing um yeah he apparently then stalked and harassed roberta there's a rumor and we don't know if this is true that he molded some of these beef things into tiny like figures like little robertas little people and let them rot like of the family like her and like two smaller ones like kids fuck don't know what the hamburger voodoo dolls or some shit some shit it was rotting away so he then harassed her stalked her she got a restraining order he violated it um he was arrested he made bail and then while out on bail is when he got on his bicycle and skipped town and showed up in depue oklahoma on bail oh my god from beating an absconder an absconder on out of jail on bail for beating his fucking wife and violating a restraining order he's gone holy shit that's how he ends up here so late summer he got on his bicycle and rode for 950 miles and ended up in depue oklahoma yeah that's how you get that's how most people that's the that's the the propulsion that it back there is cops back there is jail route 66 is all open i'm gonna get some kicks that's all i'm gonna do that's all i can do at this point let's see kicks or jail which one route 66 it is pedal pedal oh man so now back to the present timeline of not his thing uh she gets this is where he went after she kicked him out apparently she kicked him out and he ended up this is the fucking we don't know when this is i don't know if this is when she kicked him out or if this is where he went for the time he was gone from before thanksgiving remember that long stretch oh to edmonton or edmond edmond yeah either way at some point he ended up in new mexico on his bicycle um and was telling people he was in tucumcari and was telling people that uh he was collecting money for 9-11 victims again and he was arrested there in connection with a stolen vehicle and those late charges were later dropped and then he was staying at a shelter and then he kept going on moving on from there so september 2003 okay kathy realizes that she had canceled all the utilities canceled stuff but she forgot to contact the cable company she didn't come contact the cable company and when she finally did she got a they told her she had a huge bill and she's like what the fuck is this from they said for the past 36 hours somebody has been at her at that residence constantly renting adult movies constantly getting poor just six hour spice channel block six times just over and over and over 36 straight hours of porn. 36 hours. And I'll have another please. And more. Imagine watching 36 hours of porn. I would just be like, oh, God, please make it stop after a while, wouldn't you? No more, please. It's the funniest prank of all time. It's fucking insane. So she heard that. And so she ends up sending the fucking cops over there. And what they find is him sitting in the apartment like a dipshit. He's destroyed the entire place. He shredded up her clothes. He tore up all of her pictures. Just destroyed everything that was hers in the house. And then obviously got 36 hours of porn. So he's arrested for burglarizing the apartment. And he's put in the county jail. Can't do that. So at the county jail, he's got a guy with him, a cellmate. Not even really a cellmate. The guy's there for like seven hours. Just a hold. Yeah. He's a professional hairdresser who got a DUI at midnight. Oh, God. So they stick him in the cell with this fucking lunatic. Oh, boy. And by the way, this was his only arrest. This guy's not a criminal. His name is Joel Weinstock. He's just a guy who had one too many drinks. So they stick him in with Scott. And they start talking. Because, you know, he's had a few drinks. So he's talking to him. And he told, Scott tells this guy that my girlfriend is a pharmaceutical rep. Meanwhile, she's an RN. And she was dealing drugs as well. And that he was in the cell right now currently trying to figure out a way to, quote, get even with her. Oh. Going to get even with her. Okay. So October 2003, he is released. From custody. He makes bail somehow. All right. Shit. He makes bail. And, you know. Obviously, I don't know if this guy is going to go do another court case or not, but he posts bail, and he'd been bailed on felony charges of second-degree burglary, violation of a protective order, and malicious injury to property. That's what he was being held on. Seems like it would be a pretty decent bail. Why is there not any communication with the people back in Detroit to find that he's already – He's got a warrant for that. Yeah. Well, that might not be an extraditable warrant too. That's the other thing because that's a big deal in between states if it's an extraditable warrant or not because if it's a non-extraditable, they'll just let you go in that state. They're like, we're not going to hold you. That's their problem. Bail jumping is usually extraditable, isn't it? I guess it depends on what you're on bail for. It depends. Exactly. Remember even Love After Lockup, that Courtney had a bunch of warrants in Washington for things, and they were non-extraditable. Even that was Grand Theft Auto. And so they basically told her, don't go to Washington if you don't want to get arrested. But otherwise – They're not going to come get you. And that was that. So, yeah. Now, October 17th, 2003, he hitchhikes from Tulsa back to Depew. Scott did. Scott does. He believed that Kathy was staying at her parents' house, the Wrights, with John Wright, the guy who brought him into this whole fold, and her son Tyler is there as well. So what he does is he sets up – He sets up his shop in an abandoned car next door to the Cantrell household with AJ and Patsy there. Next door to them, there's an abandoned car. So he spends the night in this car on October 17th. This is right after he got out of jail. Okay. October 18th, he waits for the Cantrells to leave their house. Okay. Watches them leave, which that must have taken a while just to get to the car. The guy took three breaks walking from the door to the car. Wow. So he does that, and then he slips in through an open back window and breaks into the Cantrells' house. Goes into AJ's house, yeah. Once he's there, he finds a.410 shotgun and shells. Why does AJ even have that? He can't operate that. Not anymore. He can't lift it up. And it's a single shot. Load, shoot, load, shoot. Yeah. Okay. So he finds this. He loads it and takes all the rest. He takes all the rest of the shells, puts them in his pocket. Puts them in his pocket, yeah. And he's sitting there, and he waits. Now, what's he waiting for? Well, he sets up at a front window that has a clear line of sight to the Wright house right across the street. John Wright and his wife and Kathy, more importantly, who's staying there, and young Tyler, the 16-year-old. And what he's doing is waiting for Kathy to come home because he's got some scores to settle. He's getting even. Yeah. Even he goes to the fridge, gets a snack. At least sets up shop in there. Eating all that low-sugar shit. Yeah. He's like, God damn it. Everybody's a diabetic in this house. Fuck. There's no Lucky Charms in this house at all. All those zero-sugar drinks in this house is garbage. You know he's looking around for the stash. Where's the stash? I know he's got something. Yeah, I know there's Kit Kats around here somewhere. Not everything's got Stevia in it. No, no, no. There's a something. There's a pancake. There's a payday in this motherfucker. If I have to kill to find it, I will. It's not all sugar-free dark chocolate in this piece of shit. Nope, not at all. We got something. So he ends up at some point in the evening here in the afternoon, and we'll talk about what happens there. He ends up leaving the Cantrell house and walking across the street to the Wright residence. Oh, boy. Okay. He saw people in the house. Now, he rips the front door open. Oh, boy. And immediately. He finds 16-year-old Tyler Montgomery, Kathy's son. He's in a recliner watching TV. Okay. Now, Montgomery, the young Tyler here, sees Scott coming through the door carrying a shotgun and with a, quote, angry look on his face. Oh, boy. So Tyler knew that this guy's not welcome in the home, too. Yeah. So he goes, oh, shit. He jumps up and runs toward the kitchen where his grandmother, Carla, is in the kitchen. They're the only two home. Carla and Tyler. You know what Carla's doing? Baking cakes for her Sunday school class. You can't get more of an innocent grandmotherly activity as I'm baking cakes for the church kids. Like, wow. Okay. She's got several Duncan Hines on the counter. All sorts of shit there. So before Tyler could get to the kitchen, he's running to the kitchen. Scott opens fire on him. Oh. Jesus. Hits him in the lower back with a shotgun blast. Hits little Tyler? Hits 16-year-old Tyler with a shotgun blast. Tyler falls down. Okay. He then steps over Tyler's, at this point, prone body laying on the ground with a shotgun wound and enters the kitchen. He sees Carla right. Yeah. He proceeds to beat the shit out of her with the butt end of the shotgun while she's making church. But it's heavy as fuck. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got wood stock and all that shit. He inflicts at least four severe blows to the head with the stock of the fucking, of the gun. Okay. Now, while he's beating poor Carla, Tyler's able to get up. At a ball. Somehow shot in the lower back, he's able to get up and he runs to the back of the house looking for a weapon. Something he can match. He's able to run. He's able to, he said, with great difficulty. It took him a while to get up, but once he got up, he was able to stumble and go look for a weapon. And Scott's not looking for him because he thinks he's taken care of at this point. So, he does that. Now, he goes to find where the guns are kept in the house. Unbeknownst to him, the guns had been moved to a different part of the house. No! He goes to open the gun cabinet and go, finally, and there's nothing there. And he's like, fuck. It's just wood spots. Nothing to do. So, he can't find a weapon. So, instead, he runs. He runs out the back door and jumps into his pickup truck. Scott sees him run out the door and follows him outside with the shotgun as they're running. Now, Tyler sees him, sees Scott chasing him, gets in the pickup, locks the doors quick. Nice. And backs out of the driveway. Okay. As he's going to pull away, Scott catches up to him and jumps into the bed of the pickup truck. Oh. With the shotgun. With the shotgun. Yeah. And as he's doing this, he's loading a shell while he's in the back of the bed. Tyler can see him in the rearview mirror doing this, okay? Yeah. So, what he does is he slurs it. Oh, okay. And just rips the wheel back and forth. Trying to get him to, trying to fling him out of the truck, essentially. Toss him out. Hell yeah. Trying to toss him out. He can't get him out. He's staying. If you just stay low, you can stay in a pickup truck. I mean, it might be a bumpy ride, but you're not going to fly out. So, it's not a flatbed or anything. So. He remained at the pickup truck and then, this is crazy, during one point when he's calm, when it's calmer, the driving, he lifts the shotgun up and shoots him through the window and hits him in the back of the shoulder. Tyler. God damn it. From right back here. He keeps driving. Wow. He's got a wound in the lower back, a wound in the shoulder, and he's like, fuck that. And he still keeps swinging the fucking wheel back and forth trying to throw this guy out. Now, after he's shot the second time. He then takes the truck off the road and drives it in ditches, up and down ditches and shit, trying to really make it crazy. Then, he realizes there's a high school football game going on right fucking now. That's where everybody is. I'm going to park this motherfucker on the 50-yard line. No, no. Even better. He fucking. There's cops there. He drives it up into the school thing, and there's a big, large metal pole at the entrance to the field thing. He just. And on purpose, rams his truck. Blast it. Blast it as hard as he can. Pow. So, everybody in the bleachers turns around and looks at this, and people start running over. Because, I mean, it's boom, and there's smoke, and there's holy shit. Someone just hit the pole. Okay. He knew he could get help at the football game because his grandfather was announcing the game. John Wright was announcing the football game. Okay. So, after this, Tyler jumps out of the truck. And runs away for help. Okay. Now, a crowd gathers around him because he's got two shotgun wounds, and he just plowed into a fucking pole. So, a crowd gathers around him. Meanwhile, Scott never flew out of the truck. He stayed in there the whole time. He's still in the truck? He jumped out of the pickup and just started walking the opposite direction of the people, still carrying the shotgun. They all gathered around Scott because he's all bloody and shot and hit the thing. So, he's just like, well, no one sees me. I'll just slip out the back. And no one sees him do it. Wow. No one sees him do it. Now, he does have a huge gash on his forehead, bleeding pretty profusely. He looks like Ric Flair after an 80s fucking NWA match is what he looks like. Scott or Tyler? Scott. Scott. Tyler's got it in the back. He's been. But Scott has. He apparently hit the bed or something when he slammed into the pole. Yeah, wrecked his face on something. So, now there's a guy named John Inman. Okay. Okay. This guy is a good reason why you should. You can always mind your own fucking business. - I don't know. - This guy, Everyone in this town wants to be so helpful is the problem, and that really hurts them a lot. John Inman's driving down the street when he sees Scott all bloody on the side of the road, bleeding. He never met this Scott before, never saw him before, but he heard the crash of the pickup, and he had gone, quote, just to check it out. That's how bored these people are on a Saturday night. There was a crash two blocks away. I'm going to go check it. Let's go take a gander at it. That's what he's doing. He's like, I'm not real into high school football. I'm just going to watch cleanup of an accident. That's what I'm into. Who's hurt? Let's go see. So he's driving. This Inman guy is on his way to the site with his girlfriend and sees Scott and tells, this is amazing. He tells, Scott says he needs a ride. This Inman tells his girlfriend to get out of the car so he can give this guy a ride because he's in a truck. Get out, baby. You understand. Stand by the side of the road. There's a bloody stranger I'd like to let in the car. Try that shit at home, everybody. Every male listening, try that at home. Hey, baby, get out and stand there for a while. I'm going to give this weirdo a fucking ride home. It's a single cab pickup truck, obviously. Put this motherfucker in the bed. He's used to it. He's good at it. He can hang on even if you go on ditches and shit. So this is what's going on. So she gets out of the car. And Scott gets in the car. Yeah. Now, this Inman notices when Scott gets in the car that he's got a shotgun and the hammer is cocked on the shotgun. So that makes him a bit uncomfortable. Yeah, it's at the ready. Yeah, so Scott tells this Inman, I need to go to the Wright's residence on this street. That's where I'm going. Inman said, you should really go to the hospital. You are bleeding all over my car. Like, you have a huge gash on your forehead. You need that. And Scott said, sure. Sure, yeah, I'm going to go to the hospital. But I got to stop at the Wright's house where I'm staying to pick up some personal belongings before I can go to the hospital. So if you swing by there, then take me to the hospital, that'd be great. And then you can stop by the divorce attorney's house because your girlfriend is going to want to have nothing more to do with you after this. Now, at his direction, at Scott's direction, this Inman guy drives Scott approximately seven miles east to Airport Road near Bristow. Now, he's got a gun. Because he's telling him, this is where you need to drive me to go to this house. So they're on this country road. The next road is nearly three miles away. They're in the middle of fucking nowhere. And Inman just now starts to become suspicious of Scott and his intentions. Wait, where are we going? Huge gash, shotgun cocked. Take me to a house. No problem. That's fine. But now I'm getting, hmm, a little suspicious. Wow. It's getting real sparsely popular. It's getting populated around here. Imagine it takes that long for your antenna to pop up to where you're like, hmm, this isn't good. Wow. So that's how innocent this guy is, apparently. Let's start at bloody face. Yeah, let's start there. Huge gash. We had a person run up to our car, blood all over their face. Your reaction is, holy shit, what happened to you? Then you find out what happened, and we laughed for a long time. But I wanted out of there as soon as I saw the blood trickle that wasn't good. It's not dry. No. Well, they complimented my car. Actively bleeding. Actively bleeding head wound. Crazy way to have a conversation. What year is that, bro? That's cool. I was like, whoa, we're not having a conversation. Drive, James. Let's go. Rev it up and dump it. Dump it. We're moving. So Inman tells Scott, why don't you unload that shotgun? I'd feel much more comfortable. Scott says, nope. Okay, now we're really, you know, now it's bad. So Inman says, no, no, I'd really like you to unload the shotgun. So at that point, he looks down. Scott looks down at the shotgun and then just opens the passenger door and starts to slide out. While it's driving? They stopped. They stopped. So why don't you unload the shotgun? He starts to slide out of the car with the shotgun. As he did, he raises the barrel of the shotgun up into Inman. Oh, God. So Inman thought, oh, shit, this guy's going to shoot me. So he grabbed the barrel of the shotgun and pushed it away from his head. Yeah. And at that point, Scott fired a shot that fucking buzzed his head. I mean, missed him by a fucking inch. He could hear it going by his fucking head. So that happened. Blasts a shot. So then Inman throws his car in a fucking drive, hammers it, much like us, running away. And in the rear view, he looked and he sees Scott chasing him on foot while reloading the gun. Oh, my God. This is terrifying. It's like having fucking Michael Myers in your car, this guy. He never stops. So Inman does the first smart decision of the day and drives straight to the police department to report this. So his girlfriend, how long has she been standing on the side of the road? That's my question. It's just going, well, it's only the third quarter of the game. I guess I'll go. Watch the end of that because, boy, I'm bored out here on the side of the road. Man. So he goes to the police station. Now, Tyler and Grandma Carla, by the way, who were beaten and shot, Tyler ends up surviving his wounds. He has to have six or seven surgeries. He's on a ventilator for a while. All this shit. They had to reinflate his lung because one of the pellets caught his lung. And for the rest of his life, his lung isn't going to be the same. But both he and Carla survived and recovered. Wow. Which is amazing. Now, while all of that's later, they recover and everything. But at this point in time, Tyler's still being tended to by the people at the football game. And Carla's still at home in a pile of blood, in a puddle of blood. Oh, my God. While all of this is going on, while Scott's chasing this inman trying to reload his shotgun. Carla's husband's calling a football game. Yeah, he's calling the game. He's saying third and fucking seven. Yeah. You know, so-and-so back to pass. So, Carla, who managed to recover from her beating just enough to look for help, ends up, she can't see. There's blood dripping all in her face. She's been beaten. So, she's like wiping blood away, trying to make things out and can't really see anything. She goes across the street to the Cantrell's house to get help. Oh, God. Okay? So, she's like, oh, my God. She had talked to Patsy earlier in the day, but she's knocking at the front door, banging on the door, blood pouring down her face, and the Cantrell's aren't answering. But their car's there, and she thinks they're home. So, she checks the knob. It's open, and she walks in the house. This is an emergency. They'll understand. She walks through several rooms calling for the Cantrell's. Where are Patsy? AJ, where are you? She walked past the bathroom, and through her blood, she thought she saw a pair of legs. Yeah. On the floor in the bathroom. But her vision was too blurred, and she said that she thought it was a scarecrow because her grandchildren had been stuffing scarecrows earlier in the day. So, it looked like maybe it's a scarecrow on the ground. So, she said, I guess they went somewhere. I guess someone wants to pick them up. And she leaves the house and finds help from a car that's passing by. They stop because she's covered in blood. In this town, if you're covered in blood, someone will stop. Somebody will help. Yeah. What ends up happening then is she goes and calls the police, gets the police, tells the police everything that happened. So, the police go to her house, and they check everything, and they go to the Cantrell's house as well to check on them because Kathy had gone over there, or Carla had gone over there. When they go in, they find AJ and Patsy in the bathroom on the floor, dead from multiple gunshot wounds. Oh, God. With Patsy's body lying on top of AJ's. On top of him, yeah. And the chihuahua's there, too, alive and well. Wow. Chihuahua's fine. Not a yipper, obviously. Apparently not. They found him cowering in the bathroom near the bodies. Oh, poor chihuahua. Yeah. I don't even like chihuahua's, and I feel bad for them. They're the worst. Yeah, they really are. But still, they feel terrible. Yeah. So, what ended up happening is a Dr. Ronald DiStefano, who's the medical examiner, said he found multiple individuals. He found multiple injuries to AJ's head, consisting of five distinct areas of lacerations and abrasions. Beaten with that gun. The injuries included actual injury to his brain surface and a skull fracture. They said the five distinct areas were caused by an object forcefully striking the head, and it would have required a great deal of force to inflict the injuries. Imagine hitting an old man who can't lift his arm that hard. Yeah. He can't walk to the other side of the room. He can't walk to the other side of the room, for Christ's sake. Jesus Christ. If you want to torture him, go walk there. Yeah. Follow me. Yeah. That's it. So, he said the five injuries all had the potential to result in unconsciousness and could not specifically determine which of the five injuries happened first. Also stated that a single blow might not necessarily cause unconsciousness. If the victim continued to respond after being struck, that would be an indication of consciousness. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. suffering from all of these awful injuries and they said, that if Mr. Cantrell fell to the floor, he would not be able to use his hands and knees to push himself up. And the only way, we'll find this out later why this is important, the only way he could hold a shotgun would be at waist level. He couldn't lift it up at all there. And Mrs. Cantrell has been shot. Oh, Jesus. Okay. So this is horrible, obviously. These two people in their 70s shot. Had the least to do with any of this shit of anybody. Had nothing to do with it. Yeah. Connie Ramsey, who has known Patsy Cantrell since they were at Depew High School together in the 40s, and she runs the Coach's Corner Cafe on Main Street, said that it's the whole town's loss. It's not just mine. And they said that she closed her store down for the day, her restaurant, so she could cook food for their relatives and friends of the dead people. That's how nice these people are. She said they ate here Thursday night, in our restaurant. They laughed and joked and had a good time. And their daughter, Debra, said, my parents were the sweetest, kindest people and so undeserving of what happened. Awful. So Scott's still on the loose. Yeah. He was last seen chasing a pickup truck while loading a shotgun. Other than that. Yeah. So the cops are looking for him, obviously. It's not hard. It better be. The only guy in town nobody knows, and he also is holding a shotgun and has. Has a gigantic gash on his forehead. Can't miss him, really. And running. And running. He's like that T-1000 in Terminator 2. Keeps coming, man. Yeah. God damn it. So he. The cops are searching for him. One of the troopers, who is an airplane pilot, says, we've been out since sunup. They have planes, helicopters, everybody's searching for this guy. Yeah. Everywhere. They said, we're here to support the guys on the ground. They said, the planes stay in the air for about an hour at a time and then alternate, helping tactical teams with navigating through thick underbrush as well as radio signals to improve transmission. The helicopter was grounded Sunday around noon along with the planes because they wanted to encourage Scott to look around, basically, to poke his head out, they said. They grounded all the planes so he'd go, okay, they gave up. Yeah, now it's safe. Now it's safe. So maybe I'll come out. So they were trying to do it. The helicopter pilot said, they use up so much, we kind of wait until we spot something with the airplane, then send the helicopter up to finish the job because it takes so much fuel, the helicopters. So that was October 18th. October 27th, they still have not found Scott. Nine days? Nine days. And it's going to get way worse than that. Oh, boy. He avoided capture despite this massive search and they believe, they put out a thing, he's six foot tall, about 180 pounds, brown hair, or brown eyes. Very nondescript. He does have weird fucking eyes. One of them looks a little crossed, so he looks insane. He looks insane when you look at this man. You would never offer this guy a ride. Ever. Ever. Would you escape from the mental hospital? I'm not fucking giving you a ride. Get out of here. I love when a guy's got one eye that's fucked up. Oh, it's fucking weird. That poor fuck never gets anything good in his life. No, unless he's Shawn Michaels somehow. Of course, his eye didn't go crooked till later, though, until he was already rich. But, um, so, that's what they're searching for him. Um, they know, they believe he's been hiding in the rural wooded areas between Depew and Bristow. Bristow. They know this for a fact that he hasn't left the area because there was a robbery during this time that fits him perfectly. Oh. The home of Robert, uh, Rodney Lewis, located near Airport Road, which is where he was chasing Inman with the shotgun, where a, uh, some clothes, apparently, a pair of jeans, a shirt, some food, and a.380 handgun were all stolen. Oh, my God. Apparently, the occupants of the house told police that they left the house about 4 p.m. on Wednesday and returned about 8 p.m. But they didn't notice anything missing or anything until about 6.30 the next morning when the guy said that his family went to bed and he started to get dressed for work the next morning and noticed that the shirt he was looking for was gone. Where the hell's that guy? Where's that goddamn shirt? You know the shirt if you want a specific shirt. Yeah, if you're looking for a specific shirt and it's not there, you will rip your fucking house apart to find it. And then be like, who the fuck took my shirt? Who stole my shirt? Before he went to extremes, he said, first he looked in the dirty clothes hamper to see if maybe it was there so he wasn't crazy. When he looked in the hamper, he sees a pair of jeans and a shirt covered in blood that definitely doesn't belong to him. No. Yeah. So, Scott broke in and put his dirty clothes in this man's hamper. He didn't just leave them somewhere. He put them in the hamper, which I find hilarious, by the way. So this man went looking for his gun to go chase down the son of a bitch who stole his good shirt. He's going to be wearing a real nice shirt. You can find him now. He's not sure how tall he is or nothing, but man, this shirt, you're going to love it when you see it. It's a Callaway Golf. It's my favorite one. It's real nice. It's real nice. I got it from the boot in Western. It's a good one. I got it from the tack and feed. Over in the clothing section of the tack and feed. You know how it is. Tack and feed. Western wear boot bar. Yep. So then this guy said that he looked at the rear door and noticed that it had been forced open. They just hadn't looked at the rear door that night. Apparently, the intruder took a pair of pants, an orange pullover jacket, a flashlight, the gun, and also ate their leftover pizza and took some other food. He ate their leftover pizza. He went in. Where's my good? I want two slices in my good shirt. What the hell's going on now? This ain't fair. Stealing mine. That is very funny. That's so amazing. He came in for some pepperoni and mushroom and the man's nice shirt. And my orange pullover. It was bullshit. He picked up my old Navy fleas. And left me with his bloody ass jeans. Now, there is one piece of good news out of all this. The.380 handgun that you don't want this guy to have is not operational. Because the guy who owned it said I lost the firing pin. So, it doesn't work. What? I have no idea how you lose the firing pin. I saw that and I went, never mind, keep going. I could sit here all night trying to figure that out. That's a man who takes his shit apart to clean it. Put it back together and was like, well, that shit just rolled off the table. What the hell is it? Hey, kids, look under the couch. What did you, Jesus Christ, I done lost my firing pin. The wife ran the curvy around here. That's it. Lo and behold, that shit's gone. It's all gone now. Or he did it in a garage with epoxy floor. You drop anything on epoxy floor, that shit is gone. Stuck there forever. Either that or he's just cursing Mr. Dyson for creating such a strong suction. How dare you? You had to get a room, but didn't you? Didn't you? It's just patrolling for firing pins now. But this turns out to be good news, though. Yeah. So special operations teams, this is on the 27th of October, looked on a Sunday night, came up empty handed in their search for Scott here. One of them said, we're going to have a meeting at 1030 this morning to see where to go from here. That's the sergeant. We still believe that Eisenberg is still in the confined area. He had the opportunity to get into Bristow and get out of the area, but he went right back into the search area. He went back to the search area, this guy. He went right back to the area they know he's at. Yep. They said the burglary in a town called Slick, the one we just talked about, is the connection. You know, they said he, oh, I'm sorry, there was another burglary in a town called Slick and they said they don't believe that has any connection to Scott. Okay. That's somebody else. They said he is still in the area and we are searching and we are searching. The spokesman also said they didn't have an explanation as to why Scott had not fled the area, but agreed that a vow apparently made by the suspect to kill the Biggs family members might be his motivating force. He might be sticking around and try to kill these people when he gets a chance. He's going to try and find them. Yeah. The one guy said, I just don't know. I've not seen any profiles from the FBI or anyone else that might say like what this guy mentally would be looking to do. He's like, I don't know what his deal is. I mean, if he's stealing at this point, he ain't leaving. He's getting, he's getting survivability. He's getting a flashlight out and shit. I mean, yeah. And a can of cream corn. Whatever he can get. So Boyd here, this is the spokesman, said that despite the grueling hours of the searching and lack of sleep for a lot of people, they said there continues to be a tremendous outpouring of help from law enforcement. One person said, I'm not surprised by all the volunteers. It's always, it has always been here, but we never needed it before. So never just needed all these people to volunteer. He said that one thing, a motivating factor for law enforcement officers is the belief that Eisenberg will kill again if he escapes the area. He's probably going to kill more. They said, although he has successfully eluded capture, that they said he has no special military training or like, he's not a survivor, like a, you know, one of these woods guys. It's not him. He's not one of these end of days guys. He doesn't know how to do that. He's not, - It's not John Rambo. He's not one of those guys. They also confirmed scanner traffic Saturday night that indicated that an officer was close to capturing Eisenberg. The radio traffic between the Oklahoma Highway Patrol tactical units in the field patrolling aircraft and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol command post indicated that they had him surrounded. OK, the close pursuit started with the with a highway patrol helicopter spotting him moving through the woods at a jog. The helicopter and the command post moved personnel closer to where they believed he had hidden under an overhanging creek bank. But the helicopters were forced off the scene by empty fuel tanks. And by the time they returned to the search area, ground forces had lost him. He wasn't there. He wasn't at the place they were going. They got a quarter of a. Thank fuck. These cops fucking choppers burn through the gas. Do they keep complaining about it? They said the search has been frustrating, but they believe they believe they have contained Scott in a good perimeter, which doesn't mean shit at this point. They said there is a shortage of manpower on Sunday nights on Sunday night, but they had portable lights, generators from Creek County, firefighters and all that kind of thing. They described the area as the same type of dense woods. And rocky terrain that dozens of teams searched earlier in the week just south of the break in. They said teams are walking shoulder to shoulder in the area because it's so dense. So it's he's in the he's trying to Rambo it, but it's different. So at this point, everyone in town freaks the fuck out. Yeah. Loses their mind. And the cops tell them, go ahead and panic, everybody. It's like. They literally do. They're like, there's no like, hey, everybody, we got under control. It's everyone panic, run around and scream and load your guns because shit's great. Guys, he's winning. Yeah. Imagine after 9-11, if they said there's more and it's fucked and just just do whatever you got to do. Run, burn shit down and run around outside because we're all doomed. That would have been a terrible tall tower. We're fucked. So they said the officers warned that he's dangerous. And they don't believe he's finished. They put out quotes. So he said, keep your children inside. So parents wouldn't let their kids go outside. Not gonna lie, guys, it's halftime and he's got a healthy lead. He's got a healthy lead. And we're going to go ahead and let John Wright call the end of this game. John, get in here. So people are it's fourth down, everybody. And we're in first down. We're going to find it's first down for him. It's fourth down for us. That's the problem. So people are borrowing guns from people that don't have guns. And families are putting literally people are arming small children and telling them to sit on the couch with this gun in your hand. And don't move. Casey comes in. And if a guy comes in, shoot him. You don't sleep anyway. Hold this. Hold this. So they searched. They warned that he's armed. He should be considered extremely dangerous. They said that Jessica Brown, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, said, residents should keep their doors locked and their eyes open. They said this man is capable of doing just about anything. Anyone who cites him should call one of like 17 different phone numbers to get him in here. The cops are like, call a neighboring town. We're scared to death. We don't know. Yeah, we're terrified. We're well, our doors are locked and we're armed and we're sitting here. So if someone else could grab him, that'd be great. We're locking ourselves in the jail. We're so scared. Yeah. Shit. A spokesman for the Highway Patrol said that motorists should take alternate routes from Bristow. Don't even drive the way you'd normally drive. He said, quote, he knows there's a lot of heat, a lot of authorities in the area. He's afraid of getting out of the area because he's known throughout the state. We believe we'll track him very soon. Wow. One of the restaurant owners, Linda Ayers, who owns the Anchor Drive-In, said she's not sure. When she'll reopen the restaurant. All the business is just closed. Too scary. No more sausage, you guys. I'm not selling a pancake. She said, sorry, I don't have it. I got nothing. She said, as long as those helicopters continue to fly overhead, I think I'll stay closed. Holy shit. Too scared. Then they think they got him. They think they got him. An intense manhunt. 19 days into the manhunt. Wow. They scaled back the Bristow search for Scott. When they're doing a shoulder-to-shoulder sweep by 200 law enforcement officers. That failed to find him in the dense woods east of the Bristow airport. A spokesman said, oh, no, this is Mark Biggs, said it was terribly disappointing that they didn't find him. But I know they were doing everything they could. For about two hours on this one Friday, the search scenario was repeated in Tulsa County when they thought they had him. A Tulsa County sheriff's deputy thought they had a man and he was on the run from him. They tried to pull a guy over and he runs. The hunt is focused around Chandler Park in West Tulsa. And after a three-hour search, they finally catch up with the man. And it's a guy named Martin Crowe, a 34-year-old man wanted for burglary and stolen property warrants. And that's it. He had warrants and he knew it. And he ran. Yep. The search began shortly before 1030 a.m. when a deputy attempted to stop an older model car. They said the driver had the same general description as the homicide suspect. That's the only reason they were pulling him over. The driver refused to stop. Yeah. And led him. I mean, they could have looked at him when they got to the window and went, never mind. Have a good day. That would have been it. Instead, this guy takes off, led the deputy on a chase into the upper level of Chandler Park, where the driver abandoned the car and fled into the woods, which made them think it was him even more. So in addition to the Tulsa County deputies, law officers from Sand Springs, Tulsa. Creek County, Bristow and the Oklahoma Highway Patrol all joined in the hunt. Helicopters, air, they had an airboat. They had a fucking airboat. Yeah. This is the guy that doesn't read the news. He doesn't know that somebody is out there. He just thinks he's got warrants and they're going to find. He's like, damn. He doesn't. They don't run when they're looking for somebody that's a murderer. No, he's like, they are taking this shit dead serious. My stolen property. Fan boat. What the fucking fan boat? A police dog. Five stars in grand theft. All I got. All I did was steal something. I stole one thing. Yeah. I didn't even steal a car. I said, yeah, this is crazy. So at the height of the search, several schools chose to lock down their campuses and they said dogs followed close on a fresh trail throughout the chase. Shortly before one thirty p.m., they closed in on this person and took Crow into custody. They said they weren't disappointed with. The capture. I mean, the good. They were glad they got him. He has a warrant, too, but not exactly what they were looking for. The one the one spokesman said, when you see how much he looked like the homicide suspect, you know, we were on the right track. But you just have to see the guy. We really thought it was him. Dead ringer, you guys. And that's what all the news was putting out is they found him and they're on the trail. They're going to get him today. It's good. Twenty feet away. Same guy. Same shit. They said we would have much rather captured Scott. But this guy was a fugitive and he ran. They did a great job catching him. This is the best part. Martin Crowe said he had no idea why such a massive manhunt was launched when he fled. He thought if you get away from one cop car, he's done. He never thought that they break out the fan boats for this shit. This is nuts. Fucking fan boats. This is every kind of vehicle anybody could have. There was a guy with like one of those things with like a helicopter thing where you pedal it. He was chasing him. It's like. Like an umbrella with a pedal. Every vehicle that the cops own is out here. And all I got is a warrant for theft. They got the Wright Brothers plane circling. This is nuts. They got everything. So. Yeah, the flaps. Yeah. He's pedaling and the thing's going and the wings are flying. The spokesman said he did not understand why there was so much attention given to his capture. I bet after it was all over, he's sorry he came to. Tulsa County. Yeah, I guess so. Now, November 23rd, 2003. Get the fuck out of here. We still have not found this man. It's been since the 18th. Okay. Yeah. The Depew Methodist Church Food Bank. Remember the Methodist Church, the first place he rolled up. We are full circle back to here again. Seventy five year old Dois Petrie, an old lady, a volunteer at the Depew Methodist Church Food Pantry. Wow. Um, finds in there, goes and opens the door and finds Scott hiding in the building. Oh, he's hiding in the church and the church's food bank. That's where he's hiding. She sees a gun and a man that shouldn't be there and run screaming from the building. Okay. She leaves her keys hanging on in the front door of the building. Her keys are still in the front door. She opened it, saw him and just ran away and left the keys there. He grabbed the keys. Stole her car. Oh, Jesus, which is a 1980s red Toyota that belongs to her daughter. So, wow. An 80s Corolla is not a good car. Not a great car. It'll last, but it's a little shitbox. And red isn't the color you want, really, when you're trying to outrun every law enforcement officer in three states. Unless it's an 86 Supra, you're in trouble. You're in a lot of shit here. Yeah, unless it's one of those 87 5.7 Irox, you're in a lot of trouble. So, Dois makes it to a neighbor's home, and 911 was called. And now they say, okay, this is the man. He had a gun. It's the guy you've been looking for. He's in a red Toyota with this license plate. So, now, for a first time in a long time, we have an actual something to look for. So, that's what's going on. So, they're like, we're going to find that. Now, here's a fun side note. How long do you think he was at the church for? The whole goddamn time. The entire fucking time. He robbed that place, ran around the woods for a couple more days. Went to the church, and he's been here for a fucking month. The whole time. The whole time. In the pantry with plenty of fucking food. Oh, that's the thing. He found food. He found water. And he just settled in. He used the radiator to cook meat from the refrigerator. Stop it. Yeah, he was cooking. There was a small television. So, he was watching the news coverage on them chasing him. So, he knew where they were looking and everything. Frying bologna on the fucking radiator. Just frying up, making himself a fucking. I'm going to have a chicken breast tonight on the radiator. Because the church, I mean, people are gone early. He's got all night to hang out there. Yeah. At one point, police actually searched the church and entered the pantry. And there was a closet. He was hiding in the closet with a fucking gun sitting in there. And he heard them come in and listen to the officers move all around him. They never checked the closet. Oh, my God. This was weeks ago. Oh, my God. Weeks ago. Oh, my God. They've been burning fucking helicopter fuel for weeks. Fucking buffoons. Because these idiots didn't. They're like, pee ain't in here. And they just left. Absolute buffoonery. Yep. Now, later this day. Yeah. Okay. He's fled in the red Toyota. He's in the Corolla. Yeah. Okay. Dr. Sam Peebles and his wife, Suzanne. Let's introduce them. Oh, God. Okay. They left Fort Smith, Arkansas for their home in Nashville, Arkansas. Which I think we did a show on. We did a Nashville that wasn't in Tennessee. I can't remember where it was. Was it Nashville, Michigan, maybe? Or was it Arkansas? I don't remember. Now, Dr. Sam Peebles here is a physician from Nashville, Arkansas. He and his wife were driving home from a funeral when they look off to the side of the road and see a red Toyota with the hood up and a man stranded. Yeah. So they, of course, pull over and stop because everyone in this place wants to help. This was nearing the town of Waldron, Arkansas, is when they noticed the red Toyota on the side of the road. There's a man standing beside the car shivering. It's cold out. So, you know, being a doctor and all, do no harm and everything. He pulls over. They stop and say, do you need help? And he said, Scott said, I think there's something wrong with the car. I just filled it up with gas. I don't know what's going on. It's definitely not out of gas. I think it must have broke down. So they said, well, we'll go. We'll go ahead. We'll go. We'll go ahead and take you to the convenience store. You can call for a tow truck and everything. Come on. Hop in. Yeah. Hop on in. Okay. He hops in. He tells them. He tells the Peebles couple that his girlfriend had been in a wedding and he was on his way back to Texarkana to pick her up. And that's what was going on. He takes a seat in their van. They're driving a van. He sits directly behind Dr. Peebles, who's driving. Okay. He borrows Suzanne's cell phone. And he uses it to call Kathy Biggs. Okay. Okay. Kathy answered. He hangs up on her. Yeah. He hangs up. Now. She's home. Yeah. This was the dumbest thing he's done so far. And then in a long list of dumb things. Yeah. Sure. Because what happened is they were anticipating this and the authorities had set up a tracking on Kathy's phone in case Scott tried to call her. They did that, but they didn't check. They didn't check a closet. Yeah. Because that. Well, that's the state police doing that kind of shit. The local police are. You guys go check the church food bank and they're like, oh, what are we doing? So, yeah, this is local dipshit cops, I think it has to be. So this call, you know, dings a fucking thing in there, whatever. And they realize that he's calling her or that she's getting a call from an unknown number and a hang up. So they're like, let's look into this. So the Arkansas authorities are notified a call from this location came to her phone. Can you check it out? Okay. Now they're driving in the van. After a few minutes, he calls, uses the phone, gives it back to Suzanne. Then he pulls out a gun, a three 80. Yeah. And points it at Dr. Peebles and said, we're going to go drive in for a while. Me, us right now. So for the next six hours, what six hours, he holds them at gunpoint driving through Arkansas and Texas, just following wherever he says to go. Yeah. God says to go. He asked them a couple of times. You ever been to Mexico? You know how to get there? I mean, South is a good indicator. South would be the way I would say. Get there. Just keep going. Watch these green signs. One of them is about to say Mexico. Yeah. There will be. You'll get there eventually. Straight south from wherever we are. No shit. So on several occasions, he told the doctor that he was taking the safety off the gun. But if he did what they said, they would have something to tell him. They would have something to tell their grandkids. In other words, I won't kill you. This will be a story you can tell your grandkids. But if they don't take him where he wants to go, he said, I don't care because I'm already facing death row in Oklahoma. So don't fucking matter to me. Two more ain't going to bother my conscience, is what he said. I've already killed. Now, I don't think he doesn't know the gun doesn't work. He doesn't know. They don't know the gun doesn't work. No. Nobody knows. Everybody will find out very soon if he pulls that trigger. We're going to find out what happens. So he does this. Now, when he first pulled the gun, Mrs. Peebles tried to grab it and pull it away. Oh, then during the struggle, he yelled that he's going to kill Dr. Peebles if she doesn't let go. I'm going to kill your husband if you don't let go. She said, quote, He told me that old man did the same thing and I killed his wife. That was the quote he said to them. That old man did the same thing. He told me this is from Suzanne Peebles. He told me that's the reason he shot the couple in Oklahoma, because she tried to take the gun away, too. He warned me not to do it again or he'd shoot my husband. So now they didn't know who the hell they had in the car. Now they have a guy who's saying, I'm wanted for killing two people and I'm facing death row. So now they go, OK, we better just we better give this guy what he wants and hopefully he'll go away. So she lets go of the gun. The whole time they're convinced he's going to kill them when they get in a rural affair. He just thinks that. So Samuel and his wife here start to hum church hymns together. And the trek goes on to Lufkin, Texas, where Samuel asked to relieve himself. Can I piss? I'm driving here. So Scott tells him to pull off the highway onto a dirt road and Scott gets out as well. This is like the second pee break they've taken, by the way. Six hours, man. Six hours. Yeah, there's some trust here. And these are older people, too. You're not going to you're going to have to pee once in a while. So during the roadside. Restroom break. At this point, here is what Samuel Peebles said. OK, he gets out and he said, I knew this was my only chance to live. I hunched down in my seat and grabbed Suzanne's gun out of the driver's side door. He had a door panel that had a gun. He's got one, too. He said, yep. When he came back to the vehicle, I shot what I thought was four times. But the police later told me that I emptied all nine shots. God, do four. Four of them hit Scott, by the way. Is that right? Yes. So he opens fire on Scott. He's trying to come back in the van, hits him with four shots out of the nine bullets, which is not bad. Despite his wounds. He somehow Scott keeps coming forward, gets up and pistol whips Dr. Peebles in the head. Oh, my God. OK. Then he wrestles with them and takes the revolver away and beats the doctor. Now he starts pistol whipping him with the.380. Just beating him with the.380 now, the one that he brought. While he's on the ground, Scott also kicks him in the head a bunch of times after he beats him with the gun. Now, Mrs. Peebles, Suzanne, she jumps in to try to help her husband. So he turns the gun on her, a.380, the same one he stole. He said, I'm not going to kill your husband. I'm going to kill you. Right. And puts the gun right to her forehead. And pulls the trigger. But it won't shoot because it has no fucking firing pin. Right. There's no firing pin. And he doesn't know it till right now. He told her, I'm going to kill you. Click, clack, cocked it. Tries to shoot her in the fucking head. And it didn't work. Oh, boy. Doesn't work. He then pistol whips her with the gun and runs away. Because what else are you going to do? Yeah. Yeah. He gets them out of the, they're all out of the van. So he runs back to the van. hops in the van and drives away. way in their van leaving them injured on the side of the road okay okay pistol left he then stops at the store at a convenience store for bandages and first aid supplies because he's got four fucking bullets in him yeah yeah which is it's amazing he's not he's still walking around he has no money so he just shows the clerk his gun bleeding everywhere taking these things yeah and the clerk said take whatever you want no problem hey yeah i ain't here to bother anybody i'm not gonna interrupt your robbery yeah so he gathers up some supplies that's all he took was a bunch of supplies leaves and the second he leaves the clerk calls the cops obviously officers get there but he's already gone yeah this guy is a ghost i swear to christ um so then a patrol car in lufkin texas spots the people's van puts the lights on he pulls over real they come up to the car it's him he gets out of the car without a fight nothing hands over his head they take him without a fucking without a struggle to the hospital they arrest because he's got gunshot wounds and he knows he needs help yeah he knows he needs help he's fucked he can't just bleed out so he pulled over and let him arrest him that was that all right 37 days he was gone for unbelievable 37 days on the lam unbelievable took a terrible shot doctor to bring this shit down yeah not before shots is pretty good and a moving target with all of them right four out of nine around a thing out of your van that's not bad that's pretty goddamn good i think that's while the guy's trying not to get hit too that's pretty good yeah but and he had a gun too that he thought he was firing back and he didn't pressure and he didn't know that guy's gun didn't work exactly that's what i mean so that's not bad for an old man for some old doctor um so from this there's a big article that says family regains calmer nights with capture yeah they say the sun was shining again for kathy biggs and her family she said it feels like we're free because they said they've actually it's been more than a month since they could take a walk or go anywhere not in fear and they kept waiting for him to pop up so they said he's you know here um the investigators told the family that scott may have planned to kill them all and the family has been in hiding since the attacks carla right who was beaten with a shotgun said this is the happiest grandmother in oklahoma we're just so relieved tyler montgomery they said at this point who was shot at least twice still has pellets in his spinal column and his heart at that point before they in his heart they had to have seven surgeries to fix him all up they said he's undergoing therapy three times a week and is expected to make a full recovery he wants to see his friends again and go back home to his family he said he's going to home to the pew as they left town um they said for a while though he will stay with relatives and chandler where he feels safer they said he's not ready to go back now her daughter so she does have a daughter rianne 18 is the homecoming queen by the way kathy's daughter yeah um who will uh she had to be accompanied by police for a seniors night event because they were scared that she would it's pretty she was part of it i mean that's yeah that's a that's a cock block if you're her date yeah right otherwise it's like to make out sorry people want to murder me so you know you know how it goes i'm very important yeah they said that she's ready to return to normal she's also not only homecoming queen a candidate for valedictorian wow so they said she's five weeks behind in class but she's been trying to keep up while she's in hiding and they said she's so excited to be able to go back to school i bet school's great for her she's hot and smart jesus everybody would love that who the fuck wouldn't like school if you were hot and brilliant shit and popular yeah everybody's trying to fuck you teachers are complimenting you yeah this is horrible can't wait to get out of here shit so contemplating what college i'm gonna go to while also contemplating which guy i'm gonna let kiss and finger me yeah which fucking which one of the football team co-captains i'm gonna let finger me tonight jesus so scott is at the hospital yeah um they stabilize him medically and then he gives a full statement of what the fuck happened well his version of what happened to him and then he gives a full statement of what the fuck happened anyway um his statement is consistent with evidence in certain areas and inconsistent in others and basically inconsistent when it's convenient for him for to not tell the truth when it when it will hurt him exactly yeah yep uh he said at june of 2002 he and his wife divorced and in september he left his home in detroit on a bicycle intending to ride to san diego said he met kathy biggs after you know we told you how they met met her on october 1st 2002 stayed one day in depue then left to continue his bike ride from san diego to san diego right he said this is what i mean this is where the new mexico stuff comes up it's i think it's here in the timeline so he said when he got to san diego he called kathy and she asked him to come back to depue for thanksgiving okay so he returned to depue and remained there through september he said on december 13th kathy quote threw her husband out of the house and he and kathy began a relationship living together for approximately a month he said in march of 2003 kathy called him in detroit and asked him to come and live with her so he said somehow somewhere in here he went back to detroit and then came back um in the middle of april 2003 by that time they were living in an apartment in tulsa kathy had the nursing job in lawton and uh told him that he didn't need to work you know i'll take good care now my god that's gonna be a stay-at-home husband that's gonna be a lie there's no way she called this guy up and was like hey come from detroit and stay with me please you don't even have to work you you just give me that good dick all the time and i'll just work and support you six on six off and suck it my free time yeah that's what i mean that's why it's convenient for yeah it's convenience i'll work six days and then fuck you for six well yeah you go six on six six off and then fuck you for six days and then fuck you for six days and then fuck you for six on still i'm six on six on is how it works so the relationship he said was fine until july when problems with her children and money necessitated that he get a job which we haven't heard much of him working at all in this show not a bit of it um he said he hitchhiked from lawton to tulsa to get his things out of the apartment so i'm not getting a job shit i'll leave first um and then he found that the locks had been changed so he pried open the front door as one does yeah and found that all of his things had been thrown out bullshit so he admitted to spending two days in the apartment until the police arrested him for burglary and the violation of the protective order i did order 36 hours of straight pornography that i did that's a tug bait yeah that's all i got is wild he also admitted to throwing all of her shit out and destroying whatever he didn't throw out um he said that he bonded out of jail one day before his preliminary hearing for that and that's when he hitchhiked to depew wow um he said he spent the night in an abandoned car next to the cantrells and he said that while he was lying in the car he heard the cantrells leave their home and he snuck to the back of the house went through an open window found a single shot 410 shotgun and shells inside and loaded the gun um he claimed now this is the other thing too he claims he wasn't out to harm kathy that wasn't the point of all this he just wanted to tell her to stop having him arrested he said i just want to talk to her and say stop having me arrested so i can just leave depew and this relationship and you'll never see me again but you can't keep having me arrested because then i'll never get out of here essentially so i stole this shotgun to make you understand say this yeah to let you know that i mean you no harm i have figured i point this shotgun at you i've brought this shotgun to let you know i'm not a so he said i'm at the house i'm waiting for her and the cantrells return he said he confronted mrs cantrell first he told her no one's gonna get hurt um and mrs cantrell sat down at a table and then a few minutes later mr cantrell camp comes in because it takes him a while to get there he said that mr cantrell was worried about his wife's heart condition under the stress both mr and mrs cantrell repeatedly asked him what he wanted to do and he said i'm not going to and offered them offered him their car money anything they could give them just please get the fuck out of my house that's it they don't care um so then he pulled them into the bathroom because someone knocked on the door so he said get in the bathroom let's go force them into the bathroom when the person left um he quote and this is according to um him he said he he quote sat back down and was drinking some dr pepper and eating tostitos crackers trying to figure out what i was going to do a couple of diabetics have dr pepper in the house it is the texas what even are those tostitos and crackers oh chips and crackers chips and crackers dr pepper yep trying to figure out what i was going to do yeah he said he talked to mrs cantrell for approximately 20 to 25 minutes during which time she moved over to the couch he said quote mrs cantrell had me talked out of waiting for kathy to come home she talked about it yeah i waited kathy waited for kathy to come home to tell her i was not going or i was not going to turn her in and that she could quit finding reasons to have me arrested that i just wanted to get out of there turn her in for what i don't know what he's talking about uh by this time he said mr cantrell was sitting in the chair and mrs k that mr can mrs cantrella just left so they switched spots he said scott said he walked over to the table leaned the gun up against the side of the table and grabbed a glass of water he said he then walked back to mrs cantrell and said all right fine i'm gonna leave give me your car keys okay he said at that point there's a big boom and he sees that mr cantrell went and grabbed the shotgun and fired it at him but instead of hitting him he hit mrs cantrell his own wife oh and also great got some uh hit him in the hand a little bit with the pellets too oh it's got with the pellets he got a little bit grazed in the hand but she got the brunt of it he said the shot was only fired from eight to ten feet i mean it's right there he said i then lunged at mr cantrell grabbed the gun and screamed at him asking why'd you fire the gun uh-huh gee i wonder um he said he then hit mr cantrell on the left side with the butt of the gun he described his struggle with mr cantrell for the gun and admitted to hitting him in the head with the shotgun numerous times quote until he was able to get the gun out of his hand and he said quote until he stopped attempting to get up i think i believe that that part i believe but i don't believe that he shot his wife no that didn't happen no because they said the way he described it was he picked it up and shot him and then it's impossible for him to do that so that's why it's he's trying to put it on a dead man um i do believe that he beat him with the gun until he stopped trying to get up right the way he said it it was it's far too exact of how you're how you're trying to get up right the way he said it it was it's far too exact of how you're trying to get up right the way he said it it was it's far too exact of how you're trying to get up right the way he said it it was it's far too exact of how you're trying to get up right the way he said it it was it's far too exact of how you're he's dead yep just not uh in a struggle for the gun probably right he made himself he made himself a martyr and defended the the honor of that poor old lady who just how dare you kill your own wife i will not have it in my presence now i could see he shoots the gun hits her he goes to reload mr cantrell grabs the gun they struggle then he beats him it's not him grabbing it for mr cantrell i think it's the other way around probably if i had to guess um he tells the cops that he hit mr cantrell in the head with the gun quote just to knock him out i wasn't trying to kill him he says so i beat him repeatedly with it yeah he admitted yeah you don't want to use the rifle in that area because people are going to hear that so two one shot goes away in a sec yeah two shotgun blasts what the fuck was that yeah one blast was that where was that outside i don't know you listen for more there's nothing you go i don't know whatever and you keep going about your day especially in rural oklahoma there's a gunshot every once in a while boom and then what was that and that that gets attention yeah then they're hyper focused on where it's coming from you hear the second one you go oh that was that way but plus he has to reload it too so that's the other problem yeah um he admitted in hindsight that he did hit mr cantrell too hard he said i got aj pretty good um he said he didn't mean to didn't mean to hit him so hard but things just spun out of control the adrenaline goes and you know when you're beating an old man with a shotgun it's hard to control yourself how many times have you been beating an old man with a shotgun and you're like wow that's more beating yeah that's more beating than i really wanted to inflict there that's crazy yeah you hit him then you go oh so easy oh man oh that was it gets good it gets fun his skull just wants it it just wants to be hit with a with a rod it's like it bounces back and back and forth it's it sucks it in is what it does he said he believed that mr cantrell was breathing but unconscious but he thought mrs cantrell was dead so he dragged mrs cantrell 's body to the bathroom first or mr cantrell's body and left him on the floor he said he then sat down for about an hour and had a snack wow he's always munchy this guy just always motherfuckers a snack and a son of a bitch he said during that time the phone rang two different times and someone came to the door knocked a few times and left this is the second person coming to the door he said fearing that someone was really trying to get in touch with the victims he dragged mrs cantrell's body to the bathroom as well and he said he's always munchy this guy just always munchy this motherfucker he said he could see mr cantrell was still breathing so he placed mrs cantrell's body on top of him to prevent him from getting up oh boy okay he said he returned to his snack then imagine dragging a bloody dead old lady in a bathroom and putting her on her dead husband and then being like man peckish gotta have some little something some crackers um so then he was trying to think of a way out of there yeah so when carla came over covered in blood she did see them dead on the floor in the bathroom but thought they were scarecrows right so they would have been found with them there way earlier yeah um he said um that he decided to leave when he saw tyler montgomery pull up in the driveway across the street and his plan he said was to go over there i bet tyler knows where his mama's at yeah plan was to go over there and force tyler at gunpoint to tell him where kathy was okay he said he walked in the front door and he saw mrs cantrell's body in the front door of the home and told tyler not to move he said but that damn kid never listens you know 16 year olds he got up 16 year old will ever he got up ran down the hallway i fired at him um he said he saw the shot mark in tyler's back and tyler fell to the floor he said i only meant to hit him in the ass or the legs or something i wasn't trying to hit him in the back wasn't going for center mass you know just pop him in the ass there he then saw a camera and he said kathy's 60 year old mother carla in the kitchen and heard her scream he stepped over tyler's body went into the kitchen hit her with the butt of the shotgun above her left eye okay he then hit her two or three more times in the face with his fist he said as well okay as she fell to the floor he saw tyler run out of the house so he chased tyler to the pickup truck and jumped in the back as tyler started to drive away so he admitted reloading the shotgun and firing a shot through the back window of the truck in an attempt to hit tyler which he did um he said tyler ducked and he said i i wasn't trying to kill him i only shot him to try to get him to stop the truck you didn't have to get in the truck to begin with you you dove into the bed of a moving pickup right what the fuck you have caused this you literally made this bed yeah you made it to the bed of the pickup now you gotta fucking bounce around in it sorry and bounce the fuck around as you go through ditches um he said when tyler drove the truck into the pole that's when he hit the cab of the truck and that's how his head got damaged he told police that he quote never got to reload the third because he bounced the crap out of me so tyler's his quick thinking got that saved his life he would have got he would have shot him again but he couldn't ever get the shell reloaded because he was too busy hanging on for dear life he said that as tyler ran off he got inside the truck and tried the key but the truck wouldn't start you know because he just rammed it into a fucking giant pole as hard as he just broke it yeah so he said that's when he started walking and a guy picked him up and asked if he could take him to the hospital he said i mean sure what the hell why not he said he got in the car and told the driver he needed to get some things at home first but as they drove toward bristow the driver stopped at a house that he didn't know so he scott said he just got out of the car and told the driver i'll get myself to the hospital i'll handle it he left out all the rest of it what about yeah what about the part where you chased him like the t1000 nope that didn't happen at all he's fine there um he then said that um he knew the police were looking for him and he was staying out of the staying out in the fields hiding in straw bales that's what he was doing um he said after patterning their routes he left the area and hid out in the woods for about three four days near bristow patterning the cops roots of how they search here and how the planes and helicopters go he said then he went into a house in bristow because he needed water he hadn't had water in like two days oh so he went in ate some pizza ate drank some water stole some clothes yeah got uh left his bloody clothes and stole the 380 handgun so funny that he left his clothes in the hamper is the great part at least he put it where it goes it's so funny he broke in i mean he could have done whatever he's like well that goes there let me uh make sure i'm gonna take your shirt but i'm gonna leave one yeah i may as well put it where they go then he shaved and made sure to wipe the sink down real real good washed his whiskers down and squeegeed the shower door and he's like all right i think i'm i left this house in better shape than i found it in it's time for me to head on out how scrubbing bubbles the walls of this shower i think so it hasn't been done in a while i think i'll do it it's clear i can see the water spots i see soaps come i'm gonna fix that so he then said that he was all the gun to he said he headed west to the river and followed it to for 11 days until he was back into pew then he snuck into the methodist church storage food building and stayed there for three weeks it's unbelievable that's amazing he said the woman a woman came into the building two or three times while he was there yeah on the morning of 23rd the woman saw him and screamed and ran he had been able to hide the other times he heard her coming he didn't hear her coming this time he said he just walked out the back door where her keys were still hanging and he said gotten her Toyota and zigzagged south and east until I ran out of gas in arkansas oh shit he said then he stood by the car until a doctor and his wife picked him up and uh he admitted that at about quarter mile down the road after they picked him up he pulled out the 380 and told them he needed to take their van scott then told them that they didn't want uh they they didn't want to give him their car and that sammy said he'd drive him wherever he needed to go but he's not giving up his van right which i doubt that means everything to me it means all the world scott then told him he didn't want to hurt anyone he just needed to get out of there and he said they drove through texas into arkansas when they stopped for a break at dibble texas die ball d-i-b-o-l-l texas um that's when sammy fired the gun at me and he said although i'd been shot i still wrestled sammy for the gun he said he hit sammy twice in the head with the 380 because they lost the gun sammy they had lost the gun sammy used i don't know how they lost it fell um must have fell and got kicked under the seat or something when suzanne under the truck when suzanne came to help and asked him not to kill her husband he hit her in the head with the gun and drove off in their van he does not say that yeah leaves out the part where he puts a gun to a 70 year old lady's forehead and pulls the trigger um he said he drove to a convenience store where he was asked about his injuries and when he said he'd been shot the police and ambulance were called and he was arrested here and here i am so that's his story harrowing tale harrowing test sounds harder on him than anybody doesn't it really really they really did put him out you know i mean very inconvenient i had to stay in a church for three weeks because you sons of bitches was looking for me wouldn't leave me alone why the hell wouldn't he just keep going why the fuck wouldn't why would you stay here he made it all the way to san diego why did he come back that's what's well that was when before the murders right yeah i don't know i cannot imagine sitting in san diego listening to the ocean and going i really gotta get back to tapu oklahoma i really do i'm eating a fish taco this is delicious and you know but the seagulls probably stole his taco and maybe that's now he's out of food he said damn this place and their baja bullshit i won't do it i don't know what happened so the ride back to oklahoma they extradite him back to oklahoma because he's arrested in texas a guy named ed willingham who's an investigator with the creek county district attorney's office picks him up from texas in paris yeah lovely this time of year paris it is paris texas they have so many places named after somewhere else that's how bad texas is and then they're like ah we ran out of europe names name that one gun barrel city perfect um so they transport him to oklahoma now this guy said that during the interview with scott he scott never explained why he was in texas and he said he was in texas and he said he was in texas and he said he was in texas and he said he wasn't proud of what he had done and he was angry that none of his victims did what he told them to do he was mad at them he's like why wouldn't they just listen to me nobody listens to him no it's like i've seen so many movies you whip out a gun they do what you tell them to do these people do not follow directions for shit this is not fair why is why does nobody respect him that's why nobody nobody nobody he held a knife to a woman's neck while he daped duct taped her and raped her and as soon as he was done she was like i'm going to the cops motherfucker get out as soon as she was done he was done she said get the fuck out is what she said which is like yeah this guy gets no respect none i think it's the eye i really do i think it's gotta be right like fuck out of here with your cross-eyed ass man danger feel that shitty eyes too yeah but they were big and funny yeah but nobody respected him he he must have had that thing that i see commercials for now they're fucking with some lady old lady talking about her eyeballs used to bulge out now she feels better yeah like okay take this medicine and your eyes won't bulge out he'd have taken that and it ruined his career no it's been over for him not funny anymore um once they were back in oklahoma yeah he does one honest thing he directs law enforcement to the location of the 410 shotgun went with the officers to search for it they couldn't find it on day one but on day two they find the gun located near a creek so they do get the murder weapon it contained a shell casing which had not been fired so the experts determined the gun had been at that location for about four weeks so it's the right gun and loaded and loaded yeah he had it loaded up um so yeah they said how are tyler and carla how about that let's find out that let's check in with them um they said that mark biggs said that tyler quote is doing great they took him off his ventilator he sat in a chair today oh lovely isn't that nice right now look at that didn't even no one's bragging about it though i'm only telling nobody about this my mother should really tell the newspaper about this i'm sitting better start bragging on me mom she said or he said but he's real weak he doesn't want to talk about it and um you know carla said that she's recovered and she's got a gun and she's covered but that uh i mean she said the the whole thing resembles what she called a twilight zone of disbelief yeah which is a not a bad title for a show twilight zone of disbelief isn't bad that's pretty good i gotta write that down so anyway yeah um that's what she said um also what about the church lady yeah remember her remember the poor church lady doyce petrie right with the with the toyota that got stolen well lifelong depew resident doyce petrie today will get a van to replace her car stolen and used as a getaway car by murder suspect scott as a as member eyes member petrie will share a thirty six hundred dollar reward with samuel pebbles a doctor from nashville arkansas who was kidnapped along with his wife um petrie said tuesday she was thrilled to learn she'd be receiving another vehicle the stolen car an 87 toyota corolla was her daughter's she said i'm i'm happy because i need something to get around in i have to go quite a bit i don't know what i would have done to deserve all of this but i surely appreciate it okay i mean that's that's not an even swap i mean you get more things inside your van obviously but that's gonna suck so much gas her daughter still has no car though this is her daughter's car they gave her a car fuck your daughter fuck your daughter which is crazy um she said oh okay yeah no that doesn't matter she said as for the old car she said her chief concern was to retrieve her wallet from the vehicle that's all she cared about um it's her daughter's it's her daughter but she had her car in there the residents are raising money to cover tag title and tax on her new car they feel bad for everything for fuck yeah um they said also banks will host an appreciation event for law enforcement officers involved in the hunt for scott eisenberg and the event is planned uh for a saturday at the bristowe automobile dealership dealers lot okay we're gonna give them some appreciation for missing the uh the closet and yeah for miss yeah all that shit so bail now yeah okay does he get bail he's fucking better not he jumps it no he's denied bail on the murder counts but on the other counts he's arrested for he has set bail at fifty thousand dollars each on those counts but no bail for the murder so you're there there's also a whole separate federal case because kidnapping the people's is and driving them across state lines is a federal crime that's a kidnapping and across state lines it's kidnapping carjacking and using a firearm in a crime of violence oh bad shit he's in trouble now we thought this all the carnage is over right yeah it is not okay february 2005 right before the trial i mean the week of the trial starting the cantrell's daughters here they have three daughters remember the cantrell's daughters are all gonna go to the trial every day and they're gonna watch this well linda is the youngest daughter uh linda gay cantrell they said she struggled badly after her parents murders and it gets worse because she's dead what she's dead the week of the trial why well let's find out um it's not good it's fucking horrible um oklahoma city police say that freddie leroy wheeler 49 apparently killed his girlfriend linda cantrell 43 then shot himself to death what murder suicide murder fucking suicide dude this family was in perfect shape perfectly intact everything was fine now everyone's being murdered by everyone now everything's in trouble it's crazy man um oklahoma sergeant uh police sergeant said that philip said an emergency this is a guy charles philip said emergency dispatchers received a call at 12 56 a.m wednesday from a woman who said her ex-husband had called and said he had just killed his girlfriend and was about to kill himself oh boy he killed her then called his ex-wife to talk about it wow yeah they said very shortly after that she heard a gunshot he killed himself on the phone with did it on the phone yep there was no response from her ex no more response from her ex-husband yep um which is i want to show you what i did yeah tonight i want to show you my mess well i killed the person that i this is your love Now, but I used to love you, too. This is your fault, is what he's saying. Let me kill myself on the phone. And I want you to live with this for the rest of yours. Police found the bodies of Wheeler and Cantrell at the residence. They said they didn't know any motive for the shootings. They said Wheeler was arrested in 93 for public drunkenness and for assault and battery in 95. Wheeler had a grown daughter who Linda had come to know. Now, Deborah, the oldest sister of the group here, Linda's sister, said she was so stunned by her sister's death, she had to be sedated at the hospital because of hyperventilation. She needed a shot. Well, think about it. These people, their parents have been murdered. And now her baby sister is dead. And we're just about to go. So think about going up to the murder trial, the nerves they would have, the stress. And now the sister's dead, too. I think you'd just lose your mind. And it's it's. There are three people in her family. Linda's probably not that old. No, she's 43. No, I mean, what's the oldest sister, Deborah? Deborah. No, yeah, she's maybe 50 to 49. But to have three people of your immediate family dying. Wiped out. Violent ways. Yeah. In the most violent. In two different occasions. It's fucked up. It's fucked up. Now, Deborah said she had not seen Wheeler since high school when he showed up at an auction that the Cantrell sisters held. A few months ago to sell some of their parents belongings. He showed up at the estate sale because of the tragedy. Yep. Well, no, they knew each other before. Right. In high school, but hadn't seen each other in 25 years because of the tragedy. They said that Deborah said that Wheeler was not married and she thought he and Linda, quote, might have some things in common. He she set them up. Oh, no. The two had been together since then. She said he seemed like a fine guy. The sister also said she spoke with Linda on the phone about 10 p.m. So three hours before it happened. And she said, quote, everything was fine. He was actually fixing her something to eat. Linda then told her sister, he's so good to me. To which Deborah replied, I'm so glad that you finally have somebody who's good to you. Three hours later, murder, suicide. Unbelievable. Linda had been married twice. She worked in the car business, mostly in finance. She told Deborah that she was considered. During returning to college, Deborah said Linda was a smart, bright girl. And they said that Linda said she will. I'm sorry. Deborah said she will attend every day of Scott Eisenberg's trial, quote, for mom and dad. She said, I'm going to make it by the grace of God somehow. She said, I don't know how much we're supposed to deal with in life. It's just too much. It's just too overwhelming. That's more. Yeah. How much usually? Yeah. How much more shit can you take? So trial time prosecution, by the way, is going to be. Is going for the death penalty. You have to. They have to with that. So there. Anyway, Deborah is thrilled that they're going for the death penalty. Thrilled. She said, it's all we've ever wanted. Which you have the same reaction. I went, I don't like that. Weird. It's weird. They said everybody grieves different and all that. But that wasn't the way my family grieved. It's all we've ever wanted. Yeah. Them to try to kill a man. It's all I could ask for. In life. So Deborah Wyatt here told that another daughter, Marcia, said that if Scott is executed, quote, that'll be our first holiday. I hope we all live to see it. Listen, guys, I get the grief, but this isn't helping. You're allowed to say some callous ass shit after somebody did some callous ass shit. But no, it's true. Don't say it into a microphone. No, no. I mean, I like I said. They're the victim's family. They grieve how they want. But I judge you for being like that. Period. You don't care, probably. But if you consider taxpayer funded murder a holiday, you're fucking weird. I don't care. It makes me makes me not want to hang out with you. Basically, I get it. It's fine. You have the right to feel like that. But we're not pals now. You're weird. So this is how my family did. They were just like, I just want this to be over with. It wasn't I kill that bitch who killed my grandmother. That wasn't what they said. We're going to tailgate it. We got brought dogs. We're going to hear later. Well, like I said, understandable. But Kathy here, Kathy said that she would like to see him get the death penalty. Quote, he deserves it. OK, that's a normal response. Like to see him get it. He deserves it. And he's the one she's the one he was after. Now, defense attorney here indicated he may file a motion for a change of venue because of publicity and all that sort of thing. He said moving the trial would change the jury pool and could make the case less comfortable and a little more awkward for the prosecution's case. But it's not going to complicate it, is what the prosecution said. So he signed a waiver of his right to speedy trial so he can have some time to gather the evidence before the hearing. They said that it was obvious that some tension remained between some Cantrell family members and Biggs. They're mad at her. Oh, yeah. As Biggs sat in the courtroom. Kathy? Yes. Kathy, whose son was shot and mother was beaten with a shotgun. Yeah, I mean, she she destroyed a home, though, and I mean, fuck. Oh, yeah, that's her business. Yeah, that's what they're judging her for, huh? They said one of them said Beetz. Which one is Beetz now? I can't remember. Marsha Beetz. That is the middle dog. She's the daughter of the Cantrells. She got married, so it's Beetz. Marsha Beetz told her as she came in the courtroom, quote, I don't know why you come. Do you like seeing him? I guess it's because she slept with the guy that killed people in her family. Yeah. But that was before. I didn't fucking sense. That's what I mean. She's not there defending him. She wasn't with him at the time. I'm not here to blow kisses. Yeah. That's letting the grief control your life, too. I think it shows character, personally. No, I mean, I mean, when drunk, when you lash out like that, it's allowing that event to contribute to it. You're victimizing yourself every single day that you harbor that that resentment and anger. No, it's not good for you. It's not. Yeah, it's really not. But I turn into an asshole in this way. I really do think when this type of shit happens, it is the same thing as being really drunk. I think your true character comes out because especially if you're the victim's family and I've been there before. Yeah. You, you, you can say anything and no one's going to tell you shit. So nobody. Yeah. What you said. Exactly. So you can really go far. Yeah. It shows a lot of character of how you handle this. And but the public rah rah. I get why you're mad. Yeah. The public rah rah for the people that fucking do this shit in the in the guy's face. You know, I'm not going to name. No, there's been public. There's plenty. Very recently. And it's fucking. I should be embarrassed. It's embarrassing. It's very embarrassing. It is the only one. There's there's literally only one that I understood. And it was that black lady that told Jeffrey Jeffrey and charged him. That lady was awesome. Outside of that, everybody else has done like it's crazy. It's a spectacle. And it's absolutely true. We've told the story before. My family had murder in it and we didn't do any of this. And that just wasn't the way we did. Everybody was like, well, as long as she goes to prison and she's caught, that's fine. We didn't. Yeah, we just didn't want to be in it anymore. Yeah, we didn't want to be in the midst of it. I'm going to go down there and I'm going to I want to I want her to get the death penalty. We're going to sit there every day. We're not doing that. It's not bringing anybody back. It's not helping anything. It's not helping. All right. It doesn't do anything. Shout it from a bullhorn. Yeah. Sing songs and make parodies and put murder in it. Well, I mean, with my great grandmother, too, we found out the chick was like 21 years old. It was a crackhead since she was 14. Yeah. She was a mess. Her life sucked. Who knows what the hell happened to her? So we're going to kill her, too. It's not worth it. So the defense here contends that his statements shouldn't be allowed in. His confessions should not be allowed in because he was under medication for pain from three gunshot wounds when he gave the statement to the FBI and then the other sheriff's department and everything else. So his defense attorney said that Scott has had a tube in his chest to drain his lungs. An IV tube and a catheter when he was questioned by the FBI on November 23rd and 4th. Uh-huh. He was questioned within hours of being admitted to the hospital for the gunshot wounds and was placed in a coercive environment with as many as five law enforcement officers in or near his room, they said. And he was handcuffed to his hospital bed. Well, they're pulling all kinds of liquids out of him. Everything he's got. The chick down there jerking him off. It was anything we can get out of him. He had a catheter in, for Christ's sake. Yeah. He couldn't even do that. But Assistant District Attorney Mike Loeffler said the testimony from law enforcement officers showed that he was alert and responsive and was not on any drugs other than ibuprofen for pain relief. So they didn't even give him the good drugs. You ever said some wild shit because you took too much Advil? All the time. Yeah. About 726 times when we've done this show before. So the district judge ruled that the murder suspect, Scott. Eisenberg voluntarily gave two confessions and they are coming in. He said he was in full position. possession of his mental abilities when he waived his rights he knew the consequences to raving is waving his rights and uh tough shit basically it goes now will the kathy biggs past violence be allowed in the fact that he knife all the rape with the knife and all that all that kind of shit well apparently um he argues in his argument to not let her shit be in she was not a victim in this case therefore evidence of past altercations between the two of them wasn't admissible to prove motive or intent for the homicides and assaults in this case she was target wasn't she that yes exactly um they said too that evidence of previous altercations between spouses is relevant to the issue of intent this has been extended to individuals in a close or dating relationship legally they allow that they say although kathy biggs was not physically injured in the crime spring she was the target therefore evidence of his threats and prior violence violent conduct toward her was relevant in showing his motive intent and his threats to hurt her and fam and her family were not merely idle talk yeah uh he also um says that he doesn't want the fact that in one of the violent attacks that she told police that he quote wouldn't stop when he choked her he just kept choking her and this was uh pre-trial stuff here and they said that he phoned her to tell her at one point too that he wouldn't stop until he was finished that was another thing they didn't want in um they said this was not other crimes evidence included in the state's pre-trial motive uh notice but the uh depue the crimes that helped give the jury a more complete picture of the circumstances comprising the crimes on trial you got to let all that in um prosecution in their opening they say this asshole crushed aj cantrell's skull and shot patsy cantrell at a short range with a shotgun it's fucked up they claim the cantrell's pleaded for mercy and even offered to pray for scott and give him their car and complied with most of his demands before they were executed that's fucked up that's fucking sad shit had a desperate desperate yeah now mark biggs dad here of tyler and ex of kathy this poor bastard this poor bastard i feel bad for him i really do um so they talk about all of that um uh mark biggs testified to the circumstances of his introduction to to scott he said that at carla wright's request he picked him up at the bus station and then um mark or that uh scott had told him that his wife and children were killed in a traffic accident which now he knows isn't true and he told him about the the uh he told scott told mark here that he and kathy were in love and i'm gonna get this court settlement for eight million dollars he tells mark eight million yeah and he said basically when i get my thing i will buy you out of this house and basically i'll pay you to go away quietly why did he do that don't know i don't know um here's another thing they talk about was he actually shot by the shotgun because his claim is mr cantrell shot mrs cantrell and in the in the mix of it he got hit in the hand a little bit yeah yeah so after his arrest a captain james galloway of the angelina county sheriff's office photographed his hand because he'd claimed he'd heard it back in oklahoma these photos which scott's own defense investigators later found in the file showed small healing wounds his lawyers argued that this proved that a.j cantrell shot him during the struggle corroborating his story couldn't hurt his hand any other way living in the woods for 10 days and small healing wounds shotgun pellets is not gonna do that no um they said that they couldn't say whether the wounds were fresh or even if they were caused by birdshot and the medical examiner noted that scott could just as easily have gotten those injuries while wrestling a revolver away from this guy flying around a pickup truck with this one grabbing things in the woods and being ripped apart that way there's about 40 different ways he could add that thing happened because he was doing all sorts of crazy shit um so they said that a man shot four times in a struggle has a lot of possible explanations for a small healing hand yeah and the court said yeah true fuck you it's all coming in okay so that's how it goes they present all of his testimony his statements kathy's statements saying what he was going to say the cellmate saying he said he was going to get even with her everybody he's encountered along the way everybody at the there's you could get literally most of the town to testify to something in this i mean they were all at the football game yeah so it's pretty bad for him it looks bad the prosecution in their closing said you will hear testimony about the next aggravating so okay well let's let's save that actually here verdict comes in they find him guilty as balls yeah of second degree felony murder first degree malice murder oh assault and battery with a dangerous weapon shooting with intent to kill first degree burglary second degree burglary in oklahoma not good boy you gonna die at all now the prosecutor said you'll hear testimony about the next aggravating circumstance when they go to sex it's aggravating versus mitigating circumstances of knowingly creating a great risk of death to more than one person you'll hear no extra testimony in second stage on that you've already found that through your verdicts patsy was killed tyler was shot twice carla was attacked it's all part of the same transaction and occurrence the same time the same place practically of great risk to more than one person more than one person you've heard the testimony about the two dead bodies and injuries to folks across the street you've convicted the defendant on all those crimes risk of death to more than one person let me move on to risk uh on to risk to more than one person another quote unquote easy one to look at you know what the evidence is in this case you know the two people have been dead you've already convicted him of two murders that's almost what we call in law uh what us in law call ipso factos just automatically proves danger to more than one person he did that pretty fucking obvious yeah so they say aggravating factors include during the commission of a murder he knowingly created a great risk of death to more than one person the murder is especially heinous atrocious and cruel yes the murder was committed for the purposes of avoiding lawful arrest or prosecution because he was out on bail and uh at the present time there exists a probability that the defendant will commit criminal acts of violence that would constitute an ongoing threat to society yes they bring in witnesses they bring in the cop who drove him to oklahoma saying he had no remorse he's just pissed they wouldn't listen to me um they bring in roberta the ex-wife what he went oh fuck oh no she said we were married from 92 to 2003 we have two kids she said he was an alcoholic he had trouble keeping a job and physically abused her on more than one occasion she said that beginning in may of 2002 we became increasingly violent and she said that we were married from the family and she said she knew nothing about his bicycle trip or time in oklahoma he just disappeared didn't know where the fuck he went that was that now in mitigation the defense is going to present 11 witnesses they include some of his co-workers from detroit from one of his short-lived jobs uh personnel from the county jail um his sister his aunt and two psychologists okay they say he acted impulsively and he's going to present 11 witnesses they include some of his co-workers without planning he accepts responsibility for his acts and confessed to authorities almost immediately after being arrested he cooperated with authorities and led them to evidence that might not have otherwise been discovered and he's 44 years old and not likely to commit acts of violence if confined to a prison setting you could keep him in prison forever he won't hurt anybody in there he's only 44 he's only 44 they said that they presented evidence that his biological mother abused drugs and alcohol yeah while he was pregnant with her um his mother was in a tenuous emotional state while he was an infant and committed suicide when she was nine months old he was cared for by his eight-year-old sister after that mainly and an alcoholic and neglectful relative until his father remarried when he was three years old his father drank heavily was emotionally detached and withdrawn from scott and his sister he was very close to his stepmother who then died at 15 of cirrhosis and um when he was 15 yeah that'd be hard to get cirrhosis by the time you're 15 you'd really have to be putting him back god damn that's impressive and the combined facts of the appellant's early life uh later appellant anyway severely affected his psychological and emotional development other science showed or other evidence shows that he was a hard-working and responsible member of society before events in his life began to deteriorate so before a couple years ago they said he was a good and loving father whose daughter still loves and misses him very much and they said that he has technical skills and aptitude that could be put to good use in system. He could help out in there. So this goes along with the directive that the jury could decide that other mitigating circumstances exist as well. And if they should, they should consider those as well. So they're saying you don't just have to look at the mitigators that we put before you. You can find your own. So the jury found the existence of two of the aggravators, great risk of death to more than one person, and the murder being especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel. They find very little in the mitigating department. And they sentence him to, well, let's see, you, sir, may fuck off. For Patsy's death, it's second-degree felony murder. And they recommend 150 years for that. Then for AJ's, that is first-degree malice murder, death penalty for that one. You will die for that. Yep. They convicted him of shooting Tyler with the intent to kill, of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon against Carla, and of burglary as well, and gave various little sentences. But the 150 and the death are the. Those are the biggies. Yeah. Those are your big boys there. December 2005, a federal jury in Arkansas convicts him on the counts that he kidnapped and drove the Peebleses across state lines there. And he's sentenced to, you, sir, may fuck off again, 25 years in federal prison and a big fine. And that's after he serves the other one. That's on top of a buck 50 in prison. You don't do fed time. A buck 50 in death. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Now, there's some appeals here that we should talk about, because there's an interesting thing here. And there's a juror, there's a couple of jurors that have some problems here. One juror, A.S., they're just going to give initials here, wrote that a person convicted of a capital crime should be executed, that the death penalty rids society of the expense of keeping a prisoner, which that person doesn't know how to use a calculator, because every. A single death penalty case, every time someone's executed, that whole thing cost 20 times more than it would have cost to keep them in jail forever. So that's a load of shit. Where the fuck did they write this? On their juror form of, can you, do you think you could fucking deal with a death penalty case? Or this might be when they're being vaudeered. I'm not sure. So, and also at one point I told the court that he simply could not consider life imprisonment. Okay, that person shouldn't be on the jury. You won't consider all of the things, you'll only consider one, you shouldn't be here. But that's not how death penalty cases work. Death penalty cases, you could say, I need everybody to die, that you're qualified. But if you say, I'm not really, I don't believe in the death penalty, you're not qualified to be on the death penalty jury. So another juror, J.S., wrote that a guilty defendant would end up on death row and be, and executed anyway, and who was willing to die. And he said, I don't believe in the death penalty, this guy was willing to reschedule shoulder surgery to make sure he could serve on this jury. Meanwhile, all he had to say is, I have an appointment for surgery. And they would have went, well, you're dismissed. And that would have been that. He's so desperate for it. Yeah. Under questioning by defense counsel, a juror, D.B., reiterated that she could consider all three possible punishments. All three. Do you guys have sex? How did you have sex? All three. Whenever I hear all three of anything, I just picture that little fucking idiot sitting in there saying that he fucking gave Gypsy Rose all three. There's also the jailhouse snitch thing. Yeah. The state says he wasn't a jailhouse snitch. He was in jail for less than 12 hours. He just happened to be in with him. And this guy, within three minutes of meeting someone, starts talking about who he's getting revenge on like a fucking idiot. That's not our fault. He's got a DUI. He's going to be let out as soon as he sobers up. Yeah. They said they didn't set this guy up, go in there and get information. That never happened. That would have been illegal. But they didn't do that. They didn't at all. Also, other crimes admitted into evidence. They said the mere fact that an accused commits more than one crime in a defined period of time is not by itself sufficient to admit other crimes as evidence. So he said you shouldn't put all the other crimes in. That guy was probably upset when he started talking to. He's like, oh, don't do this. I'm going to have to go to court about this. Oh, man. I'm already going to too much court about this DUI. I got so much going on. It's affirmed. Well, the convictions, the five-member court is unanimous. The dissent, though, is taken by, because on the sentence, the court is split three to two on that in favor of the death sentence. They said that, yeah, the dissenting opinion said, I firmly believe if you take a life, you're going to get a life sentence. But the dissenting opinion said, I firmly believe if you take a life, he achieved the highest, most favorable security rating among death row inmates, which is, you know, you can shit on your own for 12 minutes a day. Maybe that's about it. He earned a GED. Then he also educated himself. They said that he taught himself higher mathematics and physics and multiple foreign languages. He was reportedly the only inmate requesting specialized books in those areas. He goes for clemency, basically. Um, at the end, it's his last thing, clemency in the 2010s. Um, and, uh, they, um, one of them said that he should die. This is his petition. Scott should die on God's schedule rather than the state of Oklahoma's. All right. That's what they said there. Um, yeah, they talk about, but the prosecutor himself said, I had to keep my own 14 year old with a handgun and told him to keep it on until this guy's caught. He said, that's a hard conversation. To have with a 14 year old. Yeah. So he is not allowed to clemency is denied. Um, they try to say he's got a spiritual advisor, Reverend Dr. Jeff hood, an Arkansas based minister, minister, theologian, uh, theologian and anti death penalty guy. Oh, he's his spiritual advisor. Yeah. They fucking say that he won't be allowed into the execution chamber because he's against the death penalty and they don't want any protests. Well, tough shit. Don't have it. Then don't fucking do it. You're afraid of a reverend being mad at you. Well, then maybe don't do it. If that's how you feel. I don't recall seeing many reverends with picket signs unless they said, uh, something horrible from Westboro. No, they do. They church people protest death penalty shit all the time because it's against every tenant of Christianity. So I've never seen a preacher in the death chamber walking back and forth, cross the window with a sign. Never. And that's what's so stupid. They're doing it just to be punitive. And the court agrees and said, you pick whoever you want to be a religious. It's not like he picked some crazy person then said he's a religious advisor. The guy's a minister and this is what he does. And, uh, basically he has to agree that he will not interfere or have any outbursts, the same rules everybody else has. And the guy says, yes, I'm an adult. I don't have to protest in the fucking chamber, of course. So, um, they reversed course the day before the execution to let him. Uh, they consulted with the Cantrell family who were worried the lawsuit might delay the execution. So they said, let whoever you want. And as long as you kill them, basically. So January 12th, 2023 is execution day. Last meal, Jimmy, January 12th, January 12th, just two years ago, three years ago, three years ago in Oklahoma, what'd he get a pulled pork, medium rare ribeye steak. Not bad, of course, which is a good, big on beef there. And two sides of fries, a good choice. That's not bad. That's it. No ice cream, no nothing. Huh? His last words were quote, I am at peace. My consciousness conscience is clear completely. I love my children. I don't give a shit. Don't care. Then he mouthed. I love you. Uh, half the press said he mouthed it toward his daughter and half the person, half the press said that he was communicating with an attorney in the far corner of the room. I think it was, his daughter probably. I assure you it was his daughter. All right. Deborah K Cantrell Wyatt, the oldest daughter of the Cantrells is not satisfied with this. No, no, not satisfied. She's she, she spent nearly 20 years as the public voice of the family. She said was held hostage by the court system and refused to call it closure. That's not closure. What do you, what does she want? I don't know. Did he stop the guy? Yes. Cause he wants him. I think it's stuffing full of Snickers bars and hanging from a tree outside and let the fucking kids beat him with a stick till he, till it rain, candy rains down upon them. I don't know what she wants. She wants five healthy swings at his head with a hatchet and a shotgun blast. Well, yeah, that's not how this works though. And we can't civilize society. Um, she said she didn't believe in the word, the only real in the word closure. The only real closure would be her parents walking back through the door. Well, they'd be dead anyway, first of all. And second of all, that's not possible. And you know, it's not possible. It's not possible. It's not possible. And you know, Stop being, that's childish. And that wasn't happening. What she wanted, she said, was to detach her parents' memory from the man who killed them. Well, that's not possible either. You can't, yeah. This is not possible. It sucks. I hope she has a good therapist today. I hope, yes. I hope she has a change of heart in her therapy and she gets through it. She's angry, and it's clear, and I understand that. That's why I don't want to attack her because she's hurting. That's why she's saying that she's in pain. She said that, yeah, she said she wouldn't say his name. She called the execution, at most, a bookend to a day almost 20 years earlier with a whole lot of stories in between, and she was blunt. She said too many people who should have been there to see this were already gone because it had taken too long. It's only taken 20 years. That's not bad, actually. It's pretty good. For all the appeals. Not even 18 years or something. Come on, man. After the execution, several members of the Cantrell family spoke. About the pain they've endured, and it is. It's horrible pain, and the length of time. A nephew said, after living this nightmare, I must say that 20 years is too long for justice to be served. We want to get it right, and we absolutely want to ensure that everyone's rights are protected, but the process is much too slow. Yeah. That makes no sense. Okay. The Cantrells are buried in Depew at the Oakdale Cemetery. So there you go, everybody. Depew, Oklahoma. Depew, Oklahoma. Terrible, terrible story. That's a crazy fucking story. I hope Debra's okay today. I hope she's not better off. I do, too. I do, too, because I don't. I could. Going through life pissed off like that's no way to do it. It's not good for her. No. You know? You could be as angry as you want at him. He's dead. You're letting him win. Well, it's affecting him zero. He's dead. That's what I mean. You're going to keep yourself alive. Yeah. You're going to eat your relationships alive. It's horrible. Your fucking spouse or whatever is going to get tired of hearing about it. Yeah. Your kids are going to start backing off because they don't want to fucking. It's not good to live. To be like that. An angry person. For the rest of your life? Don't be that. No. Step up. We're on your side. We just. Win. Yeah. This is too much. So, anyway, there you go. Depew, Oklahoma. If you enjoyed this story, tell the world about it. Get on whatever app you're on. Give us five stars. It helps so much. We can't tell you how much. If you really love it, go to Depew, Oklahoma in a few weeks for the after. Yeah. There you go. For the. For the long titties in the swimming hole there. Where was I now? Give two thumbs up on Netflix. Yeah. No, that's all right. Yeah. Two thumbs up. Give them on Netflix. Do all of that. Definitely follow on social media at Small Town Murder on Instagram, at Small Town Pod on Facebook. Certainly head over to ShutUpAndGiveMeMurder.com and get your tickets for live shows. 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