Turn off Your Socials with Angel Reese

You have a beat face for a game, not like beat, but I'll do like a little concealer and other blush and keep it on. Oh, excuse, let's beat for the hands of the males. That's like the guys, your face is like done. Your face is clean like they like the makeup artist beat your face. So that's why having a good beat means your face is done and it's made up. Got it. Okay. Yeah. It's an adjective. Yeah, you know, I thought it was a girl. You don't have makeup on in the game, do you? Yeah, we just said that. Where were you? I missed that. I didn't think you meant. Or wherever he was trying to slow down what a beat is. This episode of IMO is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Mish. Great Robinson. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing pretty good. How about you? I feel busy. Yeah, well, when you have kids still in school, it's a busy time. And you're in basketball season. That's right. So, and again, how many teams are you facilitating? So I'm coaching eighth grade, as well as assistant coaching high school. And then I'm the NABC is preparing for the final four, which is a national association of basketball coaches, which is your side job. It's my full-time job. And, you know, interesting thing, the final four is an Indianapolis this year. Oh, so that's good for you. That's good for me because it's close by. But all three divisions are having their championship in the Indianapolis area. So that's going to be division one, division two, division three. So it's going to be I won't say it'll be a festival. Yeah, this is it's rare that they have them all together. So it's sort of a celebration of the game. Talking about basketball. Oh, man. Talking about, yes. Talking about some goats. Talking about. Talking about an honorary Chicago win. Yes, we've got. I'm really excited for our net, for our guest this episode. Craig wanted you to do the honors and then we can get to. I will, I will, we are talking about today we have Angel Reese on. She is an NCAA champion, two-time WNBA All-Star. In addition to her incredible achievements on the court, she hosts the podcast Unapologetically Angel. A fellow podcaster, which I'm really interested in talking to her about that. She's also an entrepreneur with brands like Reebok, Victoria's Secret, Reese's, which is one of my favorite candies and beats. And in 2023, she founded the Angel Sea Reese Foundation dedicated to empowering girls and women through sports, education, financial literacy and more. That's great. And she wore her heels today. So she's taller than me, which makes me feel so good without further ado. Angel Reese, I'm great. It's so good to have you here. Oh, we are gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous. I know, I'm sure today. Well, this is what we call in our family normal height. Yes, you know, it's like tall queens and we wear our heels. Yes, you know, ladies mean my girls. It's like, brothers better, you know, better watch out. Get the confidence up. It's like, you might have to be looking up for a second. But girl, you are gorgeous. Thank you, gorgeous. I'm so happy to be here. I am so happy to have you here. Oh my god, you reading your resume, your introduction. I would think you'd be about 50 years old. That's so funny. But I'm like, you a baby. I am a baby. You are a baby. I know, and I try to like, remember that sometimes I get caught off guard. Yeah. I'm still 23. I'm like living this life once and like try to get myself so much grace. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like it's all coming so fast. Like everything came so fast for me. So I'm so soaking it up. Yeah, but you are handling yourself beautifully. I mean, it's not just what you do, but the way you carry yourself, girl. I mean, it is really a joy to watch you manage it all. And you do it with a smile on your face with an excellent attitude. Thank you. So I am just an honor coming from you, the queen, the queen, the queen. Thank you. I don't think they were making girls like you when I was growing up. What does that mean, man? I mean, what? Yeah. What does that mean? What does that mean? All of what you said and can get 10 rebounds again. Okay. Yeah, it can get 10 rebounds again. I mean, listen, listen, you know, she was, she was, she was that's my girl. I just saw her at the all-star game. Yes, I saw you. Oh, yes. Oh, we missed you. Oh, no, you were on TV. I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I saw her cross the way. But see, she's still young. I mean, it's just, oh, man, it's so nice to see. Is the breath of fresh air? It should have been. Yes, yes, yes. And the passion with which you play is so fun. I love it. Yeah. Well, let me start because I hear that I am a reality TV fan and I know you are into love Island. Let me just. Yeah, girls got me into love Island. Really? Yeah, because I wasn't. Yeah, I would always just click past it because it just seemed like too much. Yeah. And then one time they were like, mom, you just have to sit here and watch with us. And I think it was the season before last. And man was I hooked. I mean, oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. Okay, I can't help you here. Did I watch it? No. He doesn't watch any of it. Well, we're trying to get him what's your show? No, it's wild old TV. It's some old, you know, he's first of all TV's like, he's watching guns. Of course isn't on anymore. What is it? We're keep watching. Why world is world sounds like they don't know pop culture. You know what I watch movies? Okay, old movies. And I watch things to prepare for the podcast. Okay. And then I'm watching basketball probably because of my job and because of my kids and because I'm watching you. I'm watching a lot of basketball. Okay. Yeah. So he's watching nothing fun. But sometimes you got to watch some trash TV or something. That's so, okay. Yeah, no, you're watching traitors. I haven't watched traitors. Oh, girl. I don't want like I watch TV sometime. But like when something is trending, it is good. So like traitors is good. Okay, what is that on? Well, it's on it's on bravo. Is that on bravo? It's on peacock. It's on peacock, but all these celebrities, a lot of them from reality TV. So Rob from Love Island is on this year. I'm going to watch that. Put that on your. But he's on Love Island, you're saying? He was on Love Island. No, okay. From Love Island. Yeah, I don't know what's the point of Love Island. You're going to find love on an island. And everybody's in a beginning. And everybody's naked. Yeah, and also last thing. Last, right up my island. Right up my island. Yeah. What's up, guys? I'm missing something here over here. Last week I had Jenae Craig on my podcast. She was on the season, not this season, but the last season. And she was telling me, I was like, were you not nervous going on there? Like get the kiss of the people, all these different people. Like your parents are watching. Yeah, we don't have a bikini on. She was like, at first, I was like, yeah, like my mom, they're very religious. Yeah. Her mom was like, don't do that again. Like she didn't tell her mom. She hid it from her mom for so long. And she was telling me she was like, she wouldn't do it again. But she loved the results from everything they came from it. But wait, her mom found out on TV. Yes, her mom did not. Oh, that's wrong. That is not right. Now, you do think that that's a little, you know, I would be thrown. If I looked up and Sasha Malino on TV, you know, bikini and I didn't know, yeah, I'd be like, girls. And and smooching up with a bunch of people. It's more than smooching up. They're doing it all. They're having a good time. Yeah, and they all sleep in the same room. And they get paired up and get coupled up. That is. And they're like young. They're like, everybody's like, within their 20s and 30s. And I'm trying to find love. Yeah, yeah. And it's like you, I always, I always ask all of them, like, are you here to intentionally find someone? Or are you trying to win the money? Cause I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're supposed to tell the table. So you're not trying to get married like a bachelor rep? You are. It's not the end goal. It's not like you're going to get married. But this is just, you're supposed to go outside the villa. Like a lot of them have lived outside like Serena and Leah. They're like still with their partner. And they're still living outside the villa. Cause you're in a villa. Like you need to see what their everyday life is. Looks like outside of it. So a lot of these couples get out and they get out into the real world. And sometimes the relationships last. And sometimes they don't. Yeah, some of them don't. But anyway, you try to get me to watch. I'm trying to be interested. I'm going to be fighting for you to watch. I know. I can't wait. How do you like podcasting? I like it. I feel like I get to know different people. I'm in different professions that I never really think I would talk to. This is actually my first time going on somebody else's podcast. Because I like being in the one in control. I'm like, I should actually, you can't ask me that. So this is my first time doing it. So I like to like now be able to be in a different seat. And what it feels like. But I do really enjoy like getting to know everybody. I make my space so people can come on there and be themselves. To feel like a safe space. Like I don't want them to come on there and feel like this is a trap. We're trying to get drunk or we're trying to get clickbaits. Like I don't want any of that. Like I want them to just be able to come on there and just have a good time. Everybody that's been on there just has had a good time and I would really love it. - Who is the oldest person you've had on it? (laughing) - Probably Shaq. - Oh yeah. - Shaq is of the oldest. - Yeah. - And even that old. (laughing) - Shaq's been there. - Okay. - Shaq has been pretty instrumental. I saw the Reebok documentary. - Yes. - It was good to see him and in the sort of the quest to get Reebok back on the map. How's that going? How are you feeling? - It's been great. I mean, when I first started talking to him, Shaq went to LSU and I went to LSU as well. So his daughter was in the recruitment process of trying to come to LSU and he asked me when they was like, what would they take for you to come to Reebok? And I was like, I'm not really interested in signing a shoe like this is before I won the championship. So people knew who I was and I had a good following, but like I hadn't done much. I didn't do anything and I feel like being able to sign to a shoe brand was something that was like big. - Wait, this was when you were still in-- - This is what I was in college and I hadn't even won the championship. I won the championship in my junior, but this was like September, October of my junior year. So I hadn't won anything yet. - But this year-- - So you were more concerned with winning, having a winning pedigree than cash in the check. - Yeah, I wanted to win first. - Okay. - I went to Angel. - Because I didn't want it to look like I was just based off of my name. And I, I went, he was like, what would we're taking? I'm like, I don't know. Like, I'm not really looking for it. Like, we'll figure it out when it gets there. So when I finally won the championship, we were still in talks and connections and he was like, anything you ever need. Like, I'll make sure I get it for you or I'll help you out. And after I won the championship, all the different shoe brands started reaching out. So I was like, okay, well, I wanna go where I'm prioritized. - Right. - And to be prioritized as a woman, as a black woman, and helping a brand to come back and regenerate where it was, that was something that was really important to me. I mean, everybody were checks, everybody were AI. So if they didn't have a woman, that was the face of their brand. And Shaq told me he was like, you could be the face of Reebok. And I didn't believe him at first. And I was like, I don't know because I know how women can be precepted. And I just know how it could be for a woman and trying to get into that industry. And I was like, he was like, just trust me. - Yeah. - So I signed to Reebok and we started just working together and building certain things. And I told him like, I want to incorporate fashion with basketball. And that was the biggest thing for me. And since then, it's just been history, being able to create the shoe is just, it's been phenomenal. - Man, how, where did you get your savvy and your maturity? I mean, just, you know, you had a strategy coming into this. I mean, you know yourself, you know. And I also saw the documentary on NIL, right? When you were at LSU and watching you handle all that. I mean, going to school, playing, starting, the pressure. And still basically working a full time brand. What, where, where did you get your sophistication, your strategic thinking? - Yeah, probably from my mom. My mom was an independent single mom that raised me and my brother. And I knew I had to get the college on my scholarship. There was no way she was going to be able to pay out a pocket for school. So I was like, okay, let me find something that I know that I really love and enjoy to do that can get me to college. So I was highly recruited sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade. I was, I went to the University of Maryland initially. - Maryland. - Maryland. Baltimore. - Baltimore. - Baltimore. So I wanted to stay close to home. I wanted to stay close to my family. My grandparents were the ones that took me places during tournament and then my mom took my brother places. And we always made sure, they made sure I worked for us. So I always wanted to make sure I did it for my mom. And then when I finally transferred to LSU, I had already been posting on Instagram. Like I love fashion, I love having cute stuff. - Me too. - I love my hair. - Me too. I loved all of that. So I was like, I need to make sure I continued to have a brand outside of basketball. That was just something that was important to me. I didn't know about NIL initially. I was like, we should be getting paid. It was new. We should be getting paid. So the first two years, I wasn't getting paid. None of us were getting paid. And when I, when we, the deadline, it was like July 1st, I was like, I need to find somebody to help me get my brand aligned with things that I want to do. And it was slow in the beginning. I always had this story. I'm not signed to an agency, but I was working with Janine. That's my agent I work with now. That's Cursey. She's not here. Janine's not here, but she's not as a Janine. But I signed to an agency initially that Janine was with. And they told me that I wasn't going to make more than $2,000. - This was at the very beginning of NIL. So I told myself, I know I'm going to make more than $2,000. I don't know what y'all talking about, but I know I'm going to make more than $2,000. Me and Janine left. We did our own thing. It was just me and her. - And she left the agency. - She left the agency with me. - Okay. - We took a bold step and we're like, we're going to do this on her own. So we started doing it and started doing it. And then when we won the National Championship, that's when we added two more people, but we're a very, very small group. Like a lot of people are signed to be big agencies, but we're very small. It's just us, like it was all a woman at one point. - Yeah. - And we had my financial advisor, my financial advisor, and my lawyer, those are the guys to hit a big stuff. - You let the guys in. - The guys, the guys in there, my mom does a lot of stuff to your mom, my mom is very, my mom sees all my accounts. I didn't trust anybody with my money because of my mom. And I knew, and nobody was going to backdoor me. - Yeah. - I always had my mom. I knew my mom was going to be the one for me. So I kind of had the plan and I took risk. I was like, I'm going to do this. This is what I want to do. I know I'm going to be able to do fashion. I'm going to be a basketball player. For when you start a podcast, I can do it in. I just had big dreams. And luckily, I was able to accomplish them at such a crazy fast pace. But I definitely had a plan, for sure. - Yeah. So you do this podcast thing. We treat this like you're at our house. So we like jumping around on all this and stuff. 'Cause I want to go back to when did you fall in love with basketball? Did you play other sports? I want to hear about you growing up. - So I did. I ran track. I did cheerleading. We're running track. Did you run field? What did you do? - I was running. - Let me tell you the story. I was running a 400 one time. - Ooh. - Oh, that's ooh. - Oh, my mom was out there. And I was running, I did my first lap. And I just stopped in the mood and I fell out. And I was like, oh, I can't do this. She was so embarrassed. - It was at a meet. - It was at a meet. It was thousands of people there. - Well, let me tell you, that's what the 400 makes you feel like. Like you want to stop. Like your body. - Stop. - Stop. - I couldn't do it. So I tried cheerleading. And I had a next door neighbor that I used to hang out with. And I used to tell like, I hate cheerleading, I hate cheerling. But I'm just going to do it. She snitched to my mom one day and told her that I hated cheerleading. My mom took me off the meet one day at the cheerleading meeting. She was like, you're not doing this. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. So she was a coach. And I used to go around and play basketball. She used to coach a third grade team. - Wait, your mom was a coach, okay. - She coached like a third grade team. - Okay. - And I was like four or five years old. And I used to just go and play basketball around the gym and play while she was practicing. - No, was your brother playing at this point? - My brother was not playing yet. - Okay. - He wasn't playing yet. - Okay. - He wasn't, he was a late bloomer. - Okay. - So we started playing with each other probably like when we were eight and nine and she coached us. - Okay. - So I was on an all boys team and it was just me, I was the only girl. And she coached us and she said she should never do that again. Me and him used to fight, we used to go at it. Like, it was crazy. But it really helped me and it really built me. But I really enjoyed it. Like I would never take that point for granted. Like having my mom like coached me. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was fun. - And so what grade was this? - This was like fifth grade. - Okay, so by sixth grade and seventh, you started getting recruited. - Yeah, I was getting recruited. I was playing, well when I was in third grade, I was playing on the fifth grade team. So by the time I was in fifth grade and sixth grade, I was kind of already advanced. Like I had already knew what I was doing. I was also short. I was short and I was the point guard when I was younger. I used to wear goggles. I was the point guard. So that's kind of where I had my like ballhead and length skills from, so I was the guard when I was younger. - It makes sense. - And then I just eighth grade is when I just shot up and got told and I was just like, "Oh, I hated it. I hated being told." 'Cause all the guys were like, "Oh, I'm the tall girl. Did you laugh in the classroom?" - Yeah. - I never understood it. - Yeah, we don't know. 'Cause we don't catch up until later. - You don't get into it until you're late. Until you're late. But nobody instilled, like my grandma used to tell me like you're tall for a reason, but I never understood. 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And then my first year as I played volleyball, I won two championships in volleyball. - Oh, you just went in everywhere. - I love volleyball. It was so fun. And I thought it was something I could just continue to help me. I think that kind of helped me were rebounding as well. I'm sure. It probably did. My mom was a great rebounder though. She has a record held at UMBC in Maryland. - But did she say to you, all right, you got to get 10 rebounds a game or more? - No, she's never been the type to be like, "You need to do this, you need to do this." She always let me be free. Like, she always let me, 'cause she trusted, and she knew that I would work hard and know that I can get to my goals because I worked hard. She trusted me. Now my brother on the other hand, he went to college and she was like, "What are you doing?" And she knew that I was going to always be successful because she trusted me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Did you guys, I do, were you guys, what was your relationship like with your mom? Was it like, were you like friends, was she like, "I'm not one of your little friends." - Yeah, that was not. - And so I got to college. I left her and when we got to college, I didn't have to come home at the third time. Do certain things. And me and my brother are 11 months apart. So we used to try to be close to us. - Yeah, we used to try to be like, "Hey, let's not tell mom this and tell mom that." So we were super close when we were younger. And then when we got older, we just all like best friends. Like all of the texts in the group chat and just have a good time. And I think parents understand once you're out of the house and like, we're adults and we understand what life is about now 'cause you've taught us so many great things. And I don't think, I think you know that we're not gonna do anything crazy or get into any trouble because I know you're gonna get on me. - That's right. - It's like, you gotta be more afraid of me than you are. - I'm afraid of my mom. - Yeah, so I'm still afraid of my mom. - Yes, yeah. - And I say that too. My girls say the same thing. I was like, I'm good with that, you know? I think a little fear is good for all the parents out there. It's like let your kids like you when they're adults. But until then, they should be a little afraid. - Yeah, yeah. - Just a little afraid. - Yeah, I'm still, yeah. - I tell my kids, I'm easy to manage. - Yeah. - Just do what you're supposed to do. - Right. - Yeah. - I'm easy to manage. Did you guys go to the same high school? - Initially, no. He went to a public school and I went to a private school my four years and then I used to tell him like, I don't like the situation. And I used to tell my mom like, I wasn't like in a situation. So he needs to come with me. And like I was watching over him. - I don't like the situation at the public school. - Yeah. - Because public school sometimes is like, it's too much going on. I think he needed the undivided attention of being at a private school. - What is it with small little sisters taking care of their older brothers? - No, this is my little brother. - Oh, this is your little brother. - My little brother, yes. - Okay. - I kind of felt like I knew what it was best for him. - I got you, okay. - And he was successful. He was able to still thrive. But I had to like watch him. Like I always say my mom, like my mom, like just lets me be independent. And she's like, still babies. My brother, I'm like, you have to let him live life. - That's what happened here, too. - See? The mom was boys. - Yes, she is. - It's rough. - It's a rough life. - It's a rough life. - I had to take her to the White House before she noticed. She's like, Craig, Craig is Craig fine. - But I love it, because I know that that's what makes him feel comfortable. And that's what makes me feel comfortable for him. - Yeah. - He's good. - He's good. - He's good. - So how do you feel about girlfriends in his life? Let's talk about that for a bit. - I'm open to what he likes and loves. But I definitely will let him know, like this might not be the best situation for you. - And I see it. I said it. - Right. - It always folds out. - You always know what I'm talking about, like mom. She's like, just let him live. He has to go through it. - For kids. - It's like if you do something to my brother, man, I'm not going to be happy. - Going down. Mm-hmm. - Well, let's understand that, ladies. Don't be messing with Angel's little baby. - So he's not, he hasn't met anybody who's like you. - I don't think he's capable of being with somebody like me. - Okay. - To expound. - Yeah. - I don't think he's able to be with the woman that has her own. I think a lot of men are not able to have. (laughs) - That requires. - Present company excluded. - Yeah, you okay. - I think it's hard. - Yeah. - I think it takes a strong man to be able to be open to a woman that has her own, that works on her own, that does her own things and doesn't necessarily need you. - And that is not catering to, you know? It's like when you have your own thing, you don't have time to make sure you're this, make sure you're, you know, you've got your own pathways. - Yeah. - And it is a difficult thing. I mean, I feel very blessed that, you know, my husband and his, before all of this, he had to be completely secure with all of that with me, how I thought, how I moved, how I, you know, and it's a rare thing. - Yeah, my mom, that's what my mom was. Like, my mom was very like, she taught me how to cut a grass if I needed to, if I need to change like a tire. Like, she made me so independent. Like, if I'm coming into a relationship, sorry, I don't need you, you're just a plus to me. And I kind of, when I tell my brother, I'm like, you want a woman that is also ambitious, because you don't want to deal with, you don't want to be with somebody that's not driven, that is not going to push you to be better, because when you're slightly, you need somebody to, - That's right. - Tap your legs, right? - But hey, you got to get up and come on. - I say, a relationship is like, I'm asking a ball team. It's like, everybody's got to be able to shoot, dribble, score, and defend everybody. It's like, you wouldn't pick your team and be like, I only dribble. And it's like, you know, because you never know what life is gonna have before you, you know? It's like, you want a partner that is bringing, what you're bringing to the table, because life happens, somebody could get sick, somebody could, life be life in. - Life be life in. - So we just, can we just pause for a moment? And I want to let the producers mark this time that my sister used the basketball analogy. - For the first time in a whole year. - Analogy. - Not with me. - But I do, when I'm talking to men, trying to get them to understand. It's like, you want a partner that can bring it all. And I tell my daughters, you have to be able to do everything. I don't want you to ever count on somebody. I've seen too many friends who, you know, they serve the role. They did what they were supposed to do. And then somebody walked out on them. Or somebody died, unfortunately. - It takes us a while, we, how long? - When we get over. - How long? - Yeah, really how old. - I would say to me, I was probably, in my early 30s when I was like confident. - Okay. - Well, I think that-- - But it's not the same for everybody though. Like there's some guys who probably have that at 25 and there, I've met some guys who've had it early, but I would think around 30 is the right age, especially for somebody as polished and as you are. - Yeah, you might, you might, yeah. (laughing) - Sorry, I touched you off. - No, no, no, I, 'cause I want to hear your opinion as the man. - That's right. - I just did though. - But is it, I want to know, do you feel like it's a threat when you were younger in your earlier days? Do you feel like-- - No, 'cause I grew up in a household of strong women. I didn't see it as a threat. It was more, I wasn't ready to be as responsive as you or as my sister was at an earlier age. I was still, you know, I was trying to play basketball. I'm trying to be out there and see what this all brings. And then, when I stopped playing, I was trying to make a living. - Yeah. - And I was really focused on that. - I think it's like the lifestyle too. Like you get so caught up in the lifestyle. - Yeah. - Especially the guys. You have so much access to everything. - Yes. - And you don't understand what it even looks like to be in a rural relationship or be with someone that is driven and has their own. Like, oh, she, I woke up today because I saw you woke up at five and now I'm about to get up and get up at five, because I'm motivated to keep going and get up and do things. And I think that is important. Especially the 23 guys I've seen so much in the dating world and I think being able to be around people and be around someone that really understands and is very ambitious and talks long-term things. I like to be educated too, 'cause I don't know everything. - That's right. - Tell me about the investments and how to do certain things and access, 'cause I wasn't taught that in school. They don't teach us that in school. - No, they don't teach that anywhere. - Oh yeah, anywhere. But I think that is really important. And I think I've had eye-opened it today, not just over the years, just being in the life and the space that I've been now, like realizing, like, it's bigger than the lifestyle. Like, end of the day, we have to turn the social media off everything that we see and we have to sit and lay down and bet together and this is reality. - How do you, how are you managing that? I mean, your brain, you are, first of all, it's your generation, it's your profession. It's the, how do you, how do you make the separation? How do you keep yourself sane? And still, you know, get the job done. - I think I tried to have some type of normalization of knowing where I've come from. I'll never forget that. I don't want to ever feel like I'm bigger than anything. So I always sit back and just think like, I'm so grateful, I'm so thankful. I love being able just to come home and turn my phone off and just relax and just doing the things that I enjoy laying in bed and just laughing and just having a good time with the people that I love and enjoy. So I think over the years, it's been hard for me to realize that, but I think the maturity of just understanding like social media isn't real, the reality. - Say that again. Social media is not real. - Okay. - Everybody. - I think we get so caught up in that. Years probably I would comment back at things and let things continue to bother me. But now it's just like, - Well, you know, girl, it takes some people until now, my age 62 to realize that it's just beautiful that, you know, and look, I adore you. It's fun to watch you, but I also want to make sure you're protecting your soul through all of this. And a lot of young people don't even know that they need to protect themselves. So I'm glad to hear that you understand this fully. - Yeah, I think now I've over the last two years, I've been able to understand it. Do I think what has happened to me over the years is normal, no, not at all. And it's acceptable, no, and not at all. But understanding this is my new reality of what life is about and being able to just be grateful and graceful of everything that I'm able to enjoy of just being able to come home and let my hair down and just walk around the house like just being able to enjoy the little things. And like now that's just the things I enjoy. I can't go to the grocery store and do the same things like used to be able to go to the concert and just have a good time or just go to the hair salon. Now I just enjoy the little things at home when I can. - Well, I have to back up and because you said you were talking about being bullied when you were because you were tall. I think and correct me if I'm wrong, all the stuff that you've had to go through has prepared you for what you're handling now. And I have to say, so I started following you when you were at LSU. So I didn't know you when you were at Maryland. So when you started being on TV and I was like, oh, look at this beautiful woman getting all these rebounds and being able to really play. Like I could tell you could handle the ball. I could tell you can see the game by the way you pass. You're seeing now sports is like reality TV. The media wants to manufacture some stuff. And I just want you to know that I noticed how you've handled yourself. And it has been absolutely with a plumb. You can't really teach that. You can talk to people about it. But you can't teach which you went through. - Yeah, I don't think anybody will ever understand. - And so for those young people, not just women coming up behind you, how would you talk to them about what you went through? - I think it was a really pivotal point in my life. I think it was a character boater for me to be able to go through what I was going through, especially at a time where I won. - Yeah. - But am I losing at the same time where I'm feeling like I'm getting pulled by the wins, but I'm also getting pulled by the losses and how do I find a medium where I'm able to just cope with both. - Yeah. - And figuring that out. And like I thought to eliminate people out of my life and eliminate people out of my circle. Being able to find people that genuinely just outside of Bayou Barbie, Shidesound Barbie, outside of everything like Angel, who's Angel? And just being able to enjoy a great company. I think that's really important for me. And just continuing just to be confident. I think everybody always asks me like, are you all right? Like, yeah, I'm as all right as I can be. And everything is not great, but I try to wake up every day and just be grateful for every moment. Every moment hasn't been great, but I wouldn't change this life for anything because I have had some really good moments. And I don't want bad moments to outshine the good moments because I know I've been able to bless my family, bless the community, being able to start a foundation. I never would have thought I was able to start a foundation. - At this age, girl. - I never would have thought that. Being able to just continue to thrive in basketball, have a sneaker and just being able to do so many great things. I try not to let the negative outshine the positive. But like I said, I keep my circle very small. I love one who I love one. I am big on loyalty. I love the people around me. I appreciate you guys for making this a safe space for me because like you said, the media has not always been great for me. - No. - And I'll take a fine. I'll catch a fine, especially the WNB. I'll take a fine before I have to go to media and feel like I'm out back as it gets to wall. So I really appreciate you guys for allowing me to come on here and this feel like a safe space. And one of the safest spaces that it's been in a very, very long time for me. - Well, we've had our share, you know? I mean, it's, you know, completely understand, you know, the challenges that you face and, but doing it at 23, I mean, you know, by the time we got in the White House, we were in our 40s. So it's like a big difference to have to deal with that kind of spotlight. - Yeah. - So tell me the negative stuff that you've been through. I don't want to stay on the negative. But the negative stuff you've been through has it changed your passion or love for the game? All right. Good. - I don't think anybody can dictate the love and joy or take that away from me. - Good. - I think I've been through so much at a pivotal time. Like I said, when I was winning so much, now it's like everything is a win to me. The small things are a win to me, so I don't even let the negativity get to me. Like, it doesn't bother me. You see it, I see it. We all see it and it's like, is I, I've grown to have a skin where you can't break me. - Yeah, good. - You just can't break me. I feel like I've learned over the years. Also, when I've spoken out on those things, of things that I have gone through, it's backfired or anything, anything. I feel like if you do, if you don't, if you say something and it's a problem, you don't say something, it's still a problem. - And you know that the people you have surrounded yourself with, your family, your team, those are the only people you need to care about. That's what our mom used to tell us. Just worry about who's at this kitchen table right here. Don't worry about these other folks. It's like come here, come home to be loved. - Yes, you need to come to your team, go to your team, or come to home. - And that's true for everybody. - It's like, frankly, everybody should be that way. But it's hard, especially your generation when everything is judged and hearing you talk about social media like a 60-year-old makes me happy because I know you're not sitting there swiping and going down a rabbit hole. like, oh, man, I might just give up playing because the same work that I can be a fashion designer, I can be a shoe salesperson. You can do whatever you want. Yeah, no, it just, yeah, it just makes you go harder. I'm so, yeah, I have so many goals. It's like, if I stop now, I proved you right, and I proved you right. And I have nothing to prove to anybody by myself. And I just know, like, I want to continue to do the things that I want to do. 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So when I came from college, so the way the way the way WNB8 works, you go right to the league. I was drafted on April 15th. I was in Cherner camp by April 29th and right after the college season. Right after the college season. Yeah, there's no break. So I did that my work year and then last year and then this is the first offseason. So I was able to enjoy my offseason and do some of my sneaker stuff and just continue to build my game and then now I wide trained for the USA team because that's a big goal for me to pay on the 2028 LA team. So I trained and did a lot of stuff with that in December and they just announced that I made the World Cup team. So I'm looking forward to that and then I'm going to go and play on rival for the last three games and hopefully we get to the finals and run it back. So how is Chicago? The city is beautiful. It's why we're not there. The food, the vibes, like the city. It's like a small town, big city. You know, people are really nice. Lovely. It's like that midwestern you know, everybody's sweet. It's sort of, I always say it's because it's southern. Yeah, you know, it's like black folks migrated from the south. Everybody went down south for the side. It's like it's got that that southern welcoming vibe. I was hoping you were enjoying yourself. I love the culture there. Like they show up. They sell out our games. Like they love, they love us and go into a city where the legacy of Chicago and sports speaks for itself. Like it was an honor to be able to be in the city and we still love the city. I know we don't live there. Yeah. But we've got the presidential city opening up in June. And we still have our home there. We live in Hyde Park. Yeah. So we are going to be doing a lot of work and hopefully we can do some things together. Yes. Yes. Yes. With your foundation, you know, I'll be working with girls and young leaders and it would be great to figure out some ways we can do some things together for the city. Talk about your foundation. I want the folks out here to hear about it. Yeah. So when I started my foundation, well, let's start back. When I was in high school, I went to a school called St. Francis Academy in Baltimore. If I'm here, the jail is right there in Baltimore city. There were about 250 students in the school probably about 50 us were women. And I always told myself, like, I want to be able to give a scholarship back to the school. However, I can, if it's just to a woman to a player on the team, somebody, I was like, I want to do that. So when I started, when everything happened with the National Championship, I was like, this money can't just be said. I can't be just spending. I got to get back to the community and get back to where I know I was from and where I was founded. So St. Francis was the first thing I was able to do. I was able to give a scholarship away first. Then I did my back to school event there and giving back packs and everything away for the entire community. And then I was like, nobody ever taught me what it's like to have a lump sum of money. Because I'm a first generation of having this much money. And I didn't know what to do with it initially. And I'm learning on the go and learning on the fly. But how about as I'm learning, I'm teaching some young girls of how to do it as well and how to be confident within themselves. To have a big sister, like as myself and being able to feel and touch them and they can see me. Because when you see it, you can believe it. You can be it. Yeah. Wonderful. All right. Let me switch. And I don't want to make this personal. But as a young person out here, because I had two young daughters, it's like, what do you make of the dating scene? You know, how, you know, and I know it's hard for you. It's like because you're beautiful and you're smart and you know your own thing. I'm always like, what does it feel like being out here these days? And that's not about the who or no. It's just like, what's your take on this situation? I think, like I said, finding someone that doesn't care about all the extra stuff. I don't want you to fantasize over me because of what you see on social media. Like, you know, I'm that girl. But in the day, like when we go home, like, you're still a genuinely good person. And I have my own. So I don't need to be with someone for their own. So I think it was very intentional for me. One, I date privately. That's what I've learned over the years, not putting your business out there, sharing what you want people to know and keeping things private, what you want to keep private. But I haven't had like a hard life in the dating scene. I think, of course not. I'm having a soft life. But I'm very big on like, like I said, you treat me right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you don't like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like. Do you feel like it's hard for your daughters? I mean, I I mean, you know, they aren't lonely, right? But, you know, but, you know, I do think just in the whole situation of young people because it's not just my kids, but, you know, the young women who are like, who are like my daughters and, you know, just like we talked about for women, it's, you know, the pickens are slim or they seem slim because it just feels like no one wants to commit. I think it's hard. I think you always want to have the, you walk in the grocery store and you need to reach out and find something and demand just walks in and grabs it for you. Yeah. Everybody's got this story. Yeah, but it doesn't. It doesn't happen. So I think just finding the reality of what genuine love is like and I am young and still figuring things out and I think you find someone that is helping you learn this life thing at the same time. Like I said, I'm big on loyalty. You ride with me. I'm a ride with you through, through any and all. So as long as we doing that and rocking, then we're going to be okay. We're going to be. Okay. Just fine. Just fine. Just fine. What are the, I mean, you're in everything and I was looking through the research that we had. So you're trying to get into cooking more. I do. I want to cook. Okay. Oh, you want to. I want to go to culinary school. Okay. Like serious cooking. I just want to be able to, I mean, I can do a little one too, but like, I want to be able to like dress the plate up and like have it looking like the restaurant. You like to play sauces? Yeah. Like the sauce looks a little drips of the sauce and like, that's what I want. I feel like I can't, like I said, basketball's when we don't want to have kids. Yeah. Right. Yeah. The chef, you can do the thing. Yeah. One of these days sometimes I got to put it together. Right. Right. Right. Right. Thanks for the little design on my plate. I also, I don't know if you guys know who Nora Smith is. Okay. She's like, um, she's no. She makes and cooks everything from scratch. I'm sorry. Somebody back there knows what she's like, she'll milk in the cow and oh, oh, you scratch. Nora. I think I have. Yes, you don't know. Okay. So I want to like, I mean, not that in debt, but she makes everything extra. So you're going to be making your own baby food. Yeah. Yeah. Does she make Cheerios or something like that? Something like that. Yeah. Everything. That's something she has in me. Yeah. Yeah. That like interests me. I like stuff like that. Yeah. So I like watching cooking videos. Yeah. You're talking to somebody who gave up cooking a while ago. What happened? Uh, the White House. White House. Oh. Listen. Now we get into the point where you and I got more comments and everybody else. I was like, why do you want to do that? No. No cooking. No commercial flights. No. You know. That's the way the life. My life. I am having a blast. This has been so, you know, so she's 62. I'm going to be 64 on my next birthday. Yes. And being able to learn something completely new at this age. This whole podcasting thing has been a godsend for me. Yeah. It is really fun getting the tie. Yeah. I was telling my wife, I was like, I'm really having fun. I can't put my finger on it. And she said, you just like talking to people. And that's what I'm like. That's fun. Yeah. And being able to do it with her. Yeah. Because we grew up kind of like you and your brother. We were close. Yeah. And then when I started coaching, I was moving all around and then they moved to the White House. So we'd only see each other twice a year. Yeah. Now we see each other once a month. Yeah. I love that. I'm really enjoying this part of life. And I'm working with the coaches association for college. So I'm all involved in the NFL stuff and the transfer portal and trying to be in on those discussions. And then I've got, we still have two younger sons who are high school and eighth grade. So I'm coaching their team. So it's, I'm at a good spot. Yeah. Well, it's a good little too busy. But it's good. Is there anything you guys miss about like the normalcy of like just one thing? I miss like going to the mall. Yeah. Or just like, just walking in and nobody knowing you. The first little things like I went to Mallorca visiting a friend. The girls came with me. Yeah. We're at this villa and we're staying there because we got all we got all this security when we go abroad. Yeah. It's just like the international. They require all this stuff. So, you know, nobody would know I'm anywhere except for the local police, you know. So I was like, I just want to go into town. I just want to walk into this little beautiful town. And so we found a way to kind of ditch the big motorcade and we parked in my security. And we got out because we're learning how to do things stealthily. Because it's usually the security that tells people somebody's here. Yeah. Right. So we snuck in me and the girls, a couple of friends of ours, we walked to this beautiful little boutique. We went in it and we shopped for two hours. We got a dressing room. And I realized I had never been able to take my girls shopping like that. Like those are the little things like like when we had so much fun. And I was like, give what you want. Try that on. That looks cute. We just had that or the experience the other summer because I started driving in Martha's Vineyard. Because it's small and, you know, I'm followed by people, but I'm in my own car driving myself. And I was in the car with Malia. And she's in the passenger seat and it's a little convertible. We had the top down and she's playing music and we're singing. That was the first time I had that experience with my daughter where I was driving. And she was in the car and it was just us. Those are the things that, you know, you miss anonymity. Yeah. My mom always says that she's like, I miss when we can just go to a restaurant. Yeah. And just go eat. Now everybody's walking up to the table or like just wanting a picture. And you want to give everybody a picture and enjoy everybody, but you also want to enjoy your own time. Yeah. And your own space. Not a complaint. No, you feel like you want to be like, oh, look at you. Not a complaint. Not a complaint. But you know, you feel like you have the whole sky, all of those statements. For sure. But there is, there is a loneliness that comes with the isolation. Yeah. And you're going through a young. Yeah. You know, I mean, so it's like, it's important to acknowledge that that's not normal. Yeah. You know, it's not. Yeah. It's, it's not. And, and it is okay to feel away about it. Yeah. Because I don't think there are very few people who understand what it feels like to never, ever be able to blend in. Like first of all, we're tall. Yeah. All right. So before this. Yeah. We can't walk in any place without anybody going, well, who's that? Right. It's always going to be like that. But you know, I would imagine. Yeah. You know, I can't imagine. Yeah. What's that like being 23? It's tougher for you being 23. And I'm still in the streets like a normal person. Where's that? Well, I'm in the street. I'm going to the mall. Okay. All right. That's about the same street. No. You're not in the street. I am in the street. Like I was when I was in Chicago. I'm like in the, in the Wisconsin streets. Okay. You know, in the suburbs of Wisconsin. But because I have young children, we're trying to give them a normal experience. So I have to endure all of them now with a podcast and walking around with this face. Yeah. Looking just like her. They're like, aren't you Michelle's brother? And it's like, yeah. And I say, yes. And keep going. Once one starts. Everybody. Yeah. And so you learn how to navigate it. But it is. It's. It's an interesting way to exist. Yeah. Right. And it's been this way since really since I've been coaching. You know, when you start coaching at the vision one level, you know, everybody knows you. But when you have children, you're going to go back to trying to give them a normal life. And. And maybe it's dies down. But you know, you'll be the host of a hit podcast. You probably have your own reality TV series. Cooking show that you could be a part of. I heard you're going to be on hunting wise. I am. Yes. I love that show hunting wise. It's crazy. You think we. I don't know. Okay. If you're on it, I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it. All right. Let's get home one morning though. Am I going to hate it? Of one. No, no, no, no. Not a hate it. Just you're going to be surprised. Yeah. Yeah. So can you talk. Talk about, whoa, whoa. I'm a trainer. You're a trainer. I'm a trainer. So where are you going to bail her? Okay. I have no idea what you all talked about. That's okay. Yeah. That's okay. I'm going to bail her. So I'm going to have to watch the first season. Yes. I think you should. Yeah, you should. You should. Just catch up. Once you watch the first episode, you're hooked. How was the experience? It was so good. Was it your first like playing a role? So I did. I worked with Idris Alba last two years ago. Whoa, tell us. Excuse us. Idris Alba, come on, IMO. He's the other one. He's the other one. Yes. I worked with him. And we can do it without Craig. Oh, that's wrong. - Well, I like him. - No, I don't care. (laughing) - It's interesting. - Yeah, it's interesting. So you had interest. - So I worked with him on House of Dynamite. It was a movie that became my own Netflix, probably in October, December, October of November. And it was about like his presidency and he was actually in Chicago. And you guys have to watch it. I was in the end of it. I was a basketball player on the court and I was myself. - Oh, okay, okay. - But it was really good. He's the best. When I met him, I was like, I love him. And we've been connected since then. But yeah, that might come on IMO. - Yeah. - I was shell once him on IMO. - Idris. - Idris. - He's usually in London, so. - Okay. - Don't come. - Oh, he's always in tape in London. - Well, take it to London. Let's take IMO to London. - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - But was it fun, like being so fun. - It was fun. - It was fun. Have acting training or what did you use? - No, I just did it. - I just did it. - I believe. - I believe it. - It was fun though, like it was really fun. And I was on set and doing the normal things and just seeing like the set life. That's a long day. - Is it that a trip? - It's such a long day. - And you come on. - Yeah, and then all the angles. And I have to do it again and again. - It's like crazy. - Yeah. And it was really cool though. Like I really, really enjoyed it. And I definitely would do it again. (upbeat music) - I spent a long time as a basketball coach. 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Noom, lose for keeps. Initial one month subscription from $39 plus tax and $99 plus tax per month thereafter. Cost of medication not included. Final pricing depends upon program selection. (upbeat music) - I want to talk about fashion a little bit. - Go ahead. - It's like, first of all, what's that? - We are in Versace today. - Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace Versace. - I love fashion. - Yes, me too. - Yes, I love fashion. What are you wearing today? - This is Leweve. - I love. - Yeah, it's good. - And it's long. - It's good. - It's not, well, I, you know, the first fall, they'll make it longer, right? - Yeah, I like that. - And then we still may have to alter here or there, pull out a sleeve. - But I think this was okay. This is, I think they, I think they made it for me. - If anybody cares, I'm wearing American tall. - Yeah, that's all I'm wearing. - American tall is always good. - It's American tall, you know, we want to get him another, and also American tall needs to be a sponsor. So American tall. - American tall. - I think we shout you out all the time. This guy, I don't always wear it. I have other designers. - We're trying to get a sponsorship, okay? - Yeah, yeah, we are. - So pay attention. - Pay attention, pay attention. Have you done any fashion week stuff? Any, did you? - Ever you ever done Met Galas stuff? - I've been twice, yeah. - You've been twice, that's right. - I've been twice, it's a crazy day. - It seems like it, that seems a loss. - Like, I don't know, that seems a bit much. - And usually I fly in and fly out the same day because I have a game the next day or practice the next day. - Oh, right. - So usually I'll practice in the morning, and then I'll fly out that same day, like 11 o'clock, and I'll get there at like one, two o'clock, and then it's go time. And it's like go, like they're stitching on me to hair make up. I've done hair make I want to plane before my first year, and then last year I won with Tom Brown and-- - Love Tom Brown. - Love Tom Brown, so good. And it was just amazing. So I'm looking forward to it again this year. - Are you doing any of your own? Are you thinking about clothing? - Yeah, I want to start a shoe line. Extended heel line for larger feet, larger sizes. So I'm looking forward to that, and doing a little bit more stuff with makeup 'cause I do a lot of blush and setting spray during the games and stuff. - Yes, your face is beat. - Thank you. - You have a beat face for a game? - Not like beat. - But I'll do like a little concealer and a little blush and keep it going. - Oh, excuse me, what's beat for a hint for the male? - That's when that's like the guys, okay. So like football, like termalism, when you guys wear the little-- - Oh, I black. - Yeah, I guess. - No, but a beat, getting a beat on your face means that your face is so done. It's like-- - Your face is like done. - Your face is like the makeup artist beat, your face girl. - Beat your boss, your beat, your boss. - Got it, okay. - Yeah, it's an attitude. - Yeah, you know. - It's beat and stuff. - Thought it was a girl. (laughing) - But you do a little concealer? - Yeah, I do a little concealer and a little blush. - See the question. - How do you keep it on? - Setting spray. - Okay. - All right. - But I'm gonna come out something soon. - Like I do your setting spray. - Okay. - 'Cause it's like, 'cause if you can keep a face through a game, that's like you should definitely, everybody should want your setting spray. - You don't have makeup on in the game, do you? - Yeah, we're a little bit of a sum of that. Where were you? - I missed that. - I didn't think you missed it. - Or were a little sum sum. - He was trying to slow it in. What a beat is. - Just a little one. So he just became a thing. You know, let's, let's, let's do that. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I tell you, I just have the red lip. - And this is why women, we are so amazing. 'Cause in addition to being able to dunk and rebound, we got, we look cute on top of it. - Yeah. - When, if you, you probably don't even put lotion on. (laughing) - I put lotion on. - Before a game. (laughing) - Well, no, because I'd be sweating it. It was just sweating it off. - Yeah, yeah. Not us women, we wanna, we wanna figure it out, get it looking good all the time. - All the time. - All the time. - Exactly. - We catch your attention. You said. - Uh, no, you don't know. Queen, beautiful, baller. - And you gotta watch out about talling off. I mean, how do you manage the towel off? - It doesn't. - You, you just pat, pat, pat. - Yeah, I know, I'm gonna watch you in the game. - Okay. - Before to see just. - It doesn't ever slide down though, usually. - You do a Beyonce pat. - Yeah. - Like, she can be totally wet. And it's like, how'd you keep your face on? - Yeah. - Keep a little lip gloss on the bench. Me and the girls, yeah. Yeah, all the girls knew it. We all had to keep our little lip gloss on the bench. So, I think. - Well, somebody tell you when you give-- - I'm too busy watching the girls. - Girl, you're lit. - Such a good lit. - We gotta get that together. - Well, we'll get to our listener question. - I have two questions. My first one is, how do you stay true to your purpose when the public expects so much from you? My follow-up question is, what would you say to young people like me, trying to stay strong in a world that keeps testing us? - I would just say, don't compare yourselves to others. I think social media has us thinking that we have to rush and to do these things at a successful pace. And I feel like nobody's time is like God's timing. I think you go with your own speed, or you win at your own speed. And like I said, social media has had this in this chokehold that you have to succeed at a certain time, or if you don't, then you'll fail. And just don't compare yourself to others. I think you move at your own speed. - Run your own race. - Run your own race. - And life doesn't work that way. That's not true. That's not how life works. It's, you know, if your lucky life is long, I think the most important thing to do in the thick of it is just being a good person, you know? That lasts through everybody. It's like think about how you show up in the world, how you treat other people. You know, what kind of friend are you? Do you, it does your word mean anything? You know, do you have empathy for other people? Something that, you know, sadly feels like it's lacking today. Can you put yourself in somebody else's shoes and have a level of compassion for them? Because we got a lot of successful people out there. People who are billionaires in the world who are showing a lack of an ability to show compassion towards people who aren't like them or who don't have what they have. And that is worse, you know, to me than anything. And I want our young people to start focusing on the inside, right, because that's all you have at the end of the day is how you show up in the world. - Well, angel, gosh, you are an angel. - It is true, it's true. What are you looking forward to next? - Well, now I'm training for USA. And we're going to-- - I think you're going to make the team. - Well, no, I made the team already. - But I think it's going to be fine, right? - Yeah, it's going to be fine. - It's going to be fine. - We're going to Puerto Rico and playing soon. So for some rival, we want a championship and then go to Puerto Rico and win some more. Just enjoy life, be happy. - Yeah. - I'm always, like, now my new thing, is being tired of the things that I pray for. And I'm just grateful to be tired from things that I pray for. And I maximize my 24 hours and I manifest everything and just continue in just to have fun and enjoy great people. And I'm really thankful for you guys for allowing me on here. - Oh, yeah, kidding. - It was amazing. - It was a real treat. You are a special, special person. - Thank you. - And I'm saying that to the world, don't mess with this girl, don't mess with her spirit. - Do not mess with this angel. Stop it, just stop it. - That's right. - She got us with her now. - Hmm, for sure. (laughing) (upbeat music) - Hi, I'm Molly Graham, host of WorkLife, a podcast from TED. The most important lessons about work usually aren't the ones anyone teaches you. They come from experience, from uncertainty, from figuring things out as you go. On this show, my expert guest and I explore how careers really unfold. Through change, through doubt, through the decisions that shape who would become over time. Because those moments aren't the exception. They are the work. Listen to WorkLife wherever you get your podcasts.