Tuesdays with Terry: Tiktok Settles, Oprah & Sydney Sweeney

It's the afternoon drive podcast from KMJ and KMJ now dot com major Terry Slatic in the studio. And I wanted to hit this with you because it's man. It's got a lot to do with the kids. Jury selection underway in Los Angeles. There is about to be a very important, very significant trial about the effect of social media on minors. And this specific case centers on a teenager who has accused meta and Google specifically of deliberately creating addictive content that damaged her mental health. Now this is one of several trials that social media giants are now kind of fighting against and fighting against the claims that they are addictive and harmful to children. The 19 year old who was identified as KGM and court records suing for unspecified monetary damages claims that these tech giants knowingly created addictive features which led to self harm depression and suicidal ideation. Mark Zuckerberg will take the stand on this thing. TikTok and snap both co defendants have since settled and TikToks in their own kettle of fish right now. But this is really the first time that families have gotten a day in court to test whether or not social media can be held accountable for what they deliberately designed. I mean, we're under the impression, you know, not an impression. I've read whistleblower stuff from, you know, 10, 15 years ago that the guys that were writing these algorithms and all the the stuff that we see as social media feeds, they knew what the hell they were doing. We were making this effect little Bobby and little Susie's brain just like this was crack. Well, and that's one of the remarkable things about the defensive posture that you're hearing, Zuckerberg in particular taking, but not exclusively. Do you know anything about casino design? I feel like you probably at least as a matter of curiosity. I have played cards in Las Vegas. Yes, I have. So if you haven't caught on to this, casinos have specific design elements that are meant to encourage you to stay longer, gamble more and more fully contribute to the coffers. What's one of your favorite like specifics that meet that criteria? One of those design features, no clocks, no watches, no clocks, no watches, and then you'd be remiss to not point out free drinks, free drinks. You've got lots of lights, lots of music. It always sounds like a jackpot's gone off somewhere. I mean, they're piping in odors to keep you feeling like you're in a nice, clean, bright, comfortable space where everything's happy, happy, and things are going to be good. Yet they were fused to admit that they've ever upped the '02 content of the air that you're breathing. Because that was a big thing about 20 years ago. You're making it a higher '02 content that'll make people happy. Remember the old song, "Love is like oxygen." You get too much. It makes you high. I've always questioned the '02 thing only because so many casinos still allow smoking. Nobody wants it to end like that. But casinos, Disney, Disney pipes and sounds, pipes and smells, I mean, it's all very carefully managed to maximize engagement and specific emotional responses. All of social media has looked at Disney. They've looked at Las Vegas and they have drawn lessons from that to create these environments that compel you to stay longer, invest more deeply, watch more reels, click more posts, and form an emotional bond with the experience of being there. And they've bragged about it in shareholder meetings. Oh, they absolutely do. In case someone doesn't appreciate Philip discussing that how in this Las Vegas example they manage, very closely manage smell. Okay, smell or olfactory is such a thing and I need to give you this granular example of this. So I've spent years of my life in Iraq and Afghanistan walking, Heather and Jan and Villages and this and that. When I was in my last six months in the Marine Corps, the first part of 2013, they built at Camp Pendleton filled essentially a cost co-sized building with the that with the art of that kind of Disney-esque kind of sky where you can't really tell there's a ceiling. It looks like a fake sky. Oh, love it. That's cool. Oh no. Hi, and this is Disney quality stuff. But it's you're in an Afghan village with the buildings and like you're going to be fighting any village, but it's in a cost co-sized building and it's sand on the bottom with the buildings and the streets and you go walking in there and I'm walking like a hundred feet in and it's on Camp Pendleton and and and all of a sudden I started literally flashing back because it wasn't the sites. It was the smell. They went to the heroic lanes to get the smell, which if you've been there, you will never forget it. But all of us who are in this group who've been to Iraq and Afghanistan, all of a sudden you become this hyper sensitivity thing like you do when you're in a village in Iraq and Afghanistan with a rifle. But this is in a cost co-sized building with an Iraq village in in Camp Pendleton. But then you're like, wait a minute, there's there's not people dressed in local attire. It's simply that they have however the hell they did it, it smells like over there. And you literally mentally switch gears completely. So the smell. Now, have we yet got the iPhone 18 yet that has given you old factory stimulation? Have we got that yet? Not yet. Okay. I promise you. But you can get sent diffusers that you can hook up to your computer to generate specific smells. So the clock's ticking. The clock's ticking. So what most excites me about this litigation that we're discussing in Los Angeles that essentially social media has been directed to be like crack and change everything about you and your kids is the discovery. Okay. The lawyers for this family and the other families that will be associated. They want those memos like we think about, you know, the Ford Pinto litigation. We know, yeah, we knew they're going to blow up, but we just didn't think what tell you about. They want those files that Zuckerberg knew about in 2008, 2010, 2012. And then you know, we've discussed in these very microphones, you know, whether it's, you know, Zuckerberg's kids or Steven Jobs kids or Bill Gates kids, how they intentionally limited their kids to 30 minutes a day of social media. These are the guys that know how bad it is that we're going to make sure my kids don't have this problem. But as we've discussed over the years, we've got kids in this town that are spending 10 hours a day on social media. And that's not counting score. So for years, social media companies have used section 230 of the communications decency act as this kind of shield against almost all litigation. Because if you don't know, section 230 effectively says that social media platforms cannot be held liable for the content posted to the platforms by the user of the platform that they are not acting as publisher, but simply as a venue for other people to publish. Section 230 isn't going to save their bacon this time because the basis of the lawsuit is not that the postings from other people are the issue, but that the interface design itself was intended to be compelling and addictive and then add to that the the algorithm. I love everybody's taking on call anytime they talk about what they experience online. Oh, the algorithm got me. I love it. I don't know if everybody understands what they what they mean by that, but the algorithm that curates the content that's served to the user is another piece of this. And you can't stand there, twiddling your thumbs, eyes cast skyward, pretending that you're an innocent babe in the woods, when you wrote the algorithm that started showing 14 year old girls pro anorexia content. Is it possible in your your media knowledgeable mind that in addition to addressing the underlying platform that this is also going to potentially be the the how shall we say the stake in the heart finally of section 230. I think it's going to be a chip in the armor. There is in the reason I say that this lawsuit couldn't go forward if section 230 was in any way a defense because it's just it's like qualified immunity. It just rolls like water off a ducts back. It's going to be a chip in that armor, but that's all it's going to take because once you start chip in a way that the clock is ticking on some legislator realizing, Oh, you know what I can do to get reelected and suddenly drafting something to limit section 230 protections. You know, it's just silly stuff like all the child pornography on all of these networks that might be an easy one to start with look at what happened when people figured out Grock was making kiddie porn. It's possible that folks might not actually like what these platforms are profiting from and that could be real popular going down the road. What this is going to do is it's going to open it up for other people to say you design this in a way that hurt my kids. It's going to start to tap off some of that money, but social media's got a lot of damn money and they are going to keep backing trucks of money up to politicians campaign headquarters to try and head off any serious legislative intervention. And they can do that, but how long can they continue to fight the hundreds slash thousand slash millions of individual litigation. And obviously at some point it's going to become a class action. So yes, Zuckerberg has a hundred billion dollars whatever the hell he has by now. So just the idea of Zuckerberg and by him, I'm talking about his ilk, they are, they are thermopoly and they've got about a million Persian soldiers and there's no outcome where they will prevail other than maybe today and tomorrow and the next day. But if you sit there and look down the road in terms of the countless families who have been harmed by this, and all you're making that upslack, no one's been harmed. It's all, they all have agents seen all that, oh no. I mean, if nothing else, look at when grades started to go to hell in a handbasket or academic performance in the schools. Smartphones came out, no seven folks. You can sit there and go correlation and causation on on when student achievement in America started to go to you know, where I really like the thermopoly comparison because it the easiest answer to your question about this lawsuit in section 230. This is the goat track. Good point. I'm Philip Teresse. That's major Terry Slatic phones are open if you dare for 9058, 58's the number here. And I actually want to get into this thing with Oprah and the GLP ones. You were, I think you were the first person to point out to me that one of the as yet undisclosed or not publicly confirmed consequences of ozemic and all of these semi-glutite type things was a loss of muscle mass. Yes. Which I found alarming because if there's if there's one thing that's essential to being a big person, whether you are obese in a medical sense or not, holy smokes. It takes a lot of muscle to keep me up and moving and losing that would be crippling. I mean, let's let's be simplistic. If if you just decided to drop 40 pounds via diet and exercise, you know, whatever that looked like, yeah, you're going to you're going to lose, yeah, you know, 20% of that's going to be in muscle mass. If you do this ozemic approach, it's going to be twice that. And why that's super important. We actually had this discussion just about a year ago on the air. I don't remember what the hell the story was, and it doesn't matter. But the the the the the spin was that if you can control, okay, every single one of us as I, you know, hit, you know, this this gray haired arthritic old marine with who walks with a limp. The the one thing that whether, okay, all of us are going to get sick or we're going to get hurt or we're going to get a car crash or we're going to get cancer or whatever, pick whatever. If you can control one variable in terms of that I'm going to get better, I'm going to heal faster, et cetera, et cetera. It is how much muscle mass you have. Yeah. There's other things I'd like to control too, but if you could control one thing, it's it's how and that is what drives me in a maniacal fashion to go to GB3, six days a week. And those of you who see me there see me see me limp in from machine to machine. But man, when I get on that machine, I am cranking like a like a 40 year old because it's the one thing. And you know, I've talked about it on the year. I had a I had kidney cancer in 2019. Had kidney cut out on a Thursday. I was at the school board meeting the next Wednesday because damn it, I'm not going to miss a school board meeting A and B. I went into that thing pretty darn fit. So you are going to recover faster, but everyone is taking these shots. So we're just again, discussing we're honing in on the concept of you're going to lose a massively disproportionate amount of muscle mass versus other means of weight loss. That's not even getting into the concept of litigation's already starting, Philip. We got people going blind. We got people who are having bowel resections because of necrotic bowel syndrome. We've got all kinds of stuff going on. And if you think and that's just starting in 10 years, maybe five, you know, turn on whatever infotainment channel and you will see that TV commercial or on your phone. It'll be have you or a loved one used ozempic or any of the similar products and were damaged. You may be entitled to our compensation. That's happening. After people that live in Montana with his bestos and misothene Lyoma, Marines at Camp LeJune, the old fenn fenn thing. I mean, it's it's in my opinion inevitable. And what's disappointing is the semi-glutide type medications ozempic being the kind of the first out of the gate. For a type 2 diabetic who is insulin resistant, it had super, super promising potential. But now it's turned in. I mean, this is the thing is Oprah's carrying on about how she at 71 years old says, oh, I'm in the best shape of my life. Well, no, you're the skinniest you've ever been. You've got the the lowest BMI you've ever had. How much of that? And again, Oprah's a 71 year old woman who also happens to be blindingly wealthy. I'm willing to bet that Oprah doesn't scrub her own toilets or bring in her own groceries. So this is going to affect her differently than people like you and I that are out in the world doing stuff or our wives who still have to carry their own groceries in sometimes. The muscle loss thing worries me. But what worries me more is people believe that there is a pharmaceutical shortcut to losing weight and there's just not. I mean, Oprah is not helping this discussion at all by saying that that she has the obesity gene, which any geneticist will tell you is a bunch of crap. I mean, it's a multifactorial thing. One of these articles, you know, they say, oh, I have the obesity gene. So it's really not my fault. Okay, I guess you need to work on your pushing yourself away from the table muscle a little bit. But okay, now let's look at the flip side of the coin. Let's let's be a little bit medical. So there are downsides. We've just addressed several of them. But but the upside is this and this is why so many physicians highly trained medical professionals fill up are they're not prescribing this for type two diabetes. They're prescribing this in what's referred to in medicine as off label use. Yeah. And the reason is because if if you know if anybody gets hopefully everybody be this point understands the term body mass index. If your body mass index is below 20, you're pretty damn healthy. If your body mass index is above 45, you've got some serious problems. If it's 50, you've got massive problems and you need to get your affairs in order, either fix it or what have you. So knowing as this physician and I'm not saying they're being irresponsible. I'm not pretending that. But if if if somebody is is is a hundred pounds over what is a whatever the hell we're going to call a healthy body weight losing 75 pounds with these injections via ozep because it makes you want to eat less, you are going to be in a far better place only being 25 pounds overweight than being a hundred pounds overweight. And that's absolutely right because just carrying an extra hundred pounds is going to beat the crap out of you and you're going to eventually it's going to shorten your life. Yes. Period. So so these physicians highly educated medical professionals who I respect typically. They're they're they're weighing the pros and the cons that yes, I understand that you're going to lose muscle mass and that is bad. But it's less bad than if you're a hundred pounds overweight. And I do follow that. And I think that when you when you've got somebody in that position, you really are going for harm reduction rather than the pursuit of perfection. And if you're a hundred pounds overweight, yeah, then don't worry, you know, go to the gym and lift some heavy weights and try and replace that muscle loss as you lose the weight that allows you then to go and try and do that. We've got people who are 10 pounds overweight who are now dependent on this because somebody like Oprah comes out says, Oh, yeah, I've been taking this. I got over the stigma. I did this. I did that. But when I stopped, I gained 20 pounds back. Yeah, that's because your body went back to its normal default. And if you continued to consume fewer calories, then you burn, you would have burned that 20 pounds off again. Yes. And look, there are exceptions. There's people with like thyroid deals. But those are specific medical conditions that can be diagnosed by a physician. I think that Oprah feeling good is lovely. By that, you mean Oprah and her $3.6 billion that Oprah. Hey, man, look, if feeling good is feeling good, it doesn't matter how much money you got it. You don't feel good. That money isn't going to fix it. Okay, unless you buy a jet ski. Sorry, it's true. Look, have you ever seen a sad person on a jet ski? I think that we are like you said, we're going to see these lawsuits. We're going to see people who realize the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. I also think that we're going to have a generation of people who believe that pharmaceutical intervention is superior to nutrition and exercise. And if there's anything on God's green earth that I happen to agree with our health and human services secretary about, it is that better nutrition, fewer calories and more exercise is essential for American health period. Period. You're not going to hear your vet tell you to put the dog on ozemp it. They're going to tell you if you had a better kibble and less of it and take him for a walk. That's it. Period. And for most of us, that's all that there needs to be. Right. 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A uh, former sailor has been convicted of selling technical and operating manuals for ships and operating systems to China. Uh, he was sentenced to more than 16 years in prison. That was a federal judge in San Diego sentencing Jin Shao. Why 25 years old to 200 months? He was convicted back in August of six crimes, including espionage. And uh, the evidence says he was paid more than 12,000 dollars. Boy, 12,000 dollars for 16 years. That wasn't worth it. Oh, do you remember, do you remember the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes? Oh goodness. Yes. Love it. And I probably, though, but this is, you know, from 25 years ago is, you know, they're, you know, it's a non sequitur in terms of what the imagery versus the dialogue and they're going down it to bargain and they're just, you know, he's Calvin is talking to Hobbes and the discussion just simply over four cartoon panels is I don't know what really bothers me more that everyone has a price or that that price is so low. And to me, that was a staggeringly profound thing, you know, 25, 35 years ago. And that's what you just said. So we've got this, this US Nate former US Navy sailor who met on, you got to love this social media, a guy who, who purported himself to be a, was it say a, a, a Navy ship enthusiast. Yeah. Okay. Is that a synonym for working for the Chinese Communist Party and recruiting you to give me technical stuff on your ships? Is that what a Navy ship enthusiast means? Well, clearly in this case it did. Yeah, it did. And now that got me into looking at how many people in this is the intelligence side of the US government or the military side have been convicted of espionage in the last 35 years and it's 3030 people, including this guy. Now what surprised the living daylights out of me is, you know, God knows in the, with the, the Senator Mark Kelly case, we had massive opportunity to discuss the uniform code of military justice. This was not, he was not tried under the uniform code of military justice. He was tried under federal law. And that was a head scratcher to me. So of course, I had to dive into it because as, as good as the uniform code of military justice is for what its purpose is, you know, enforcing military regulations, it's terrible when it comes to interstate stuff. So when you need an interstate subpoenas and interstate wire tabs and all that, the UCMJ, you know, from quoted military justice military law does not lend itself to it, which is why they went to federal court for this because my first thought was, oh, this guy's going to do 200 months, 16 years of hard time at four, 11 worth Kansas, breaking rocks. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not saying he's going to have an easy 16 years. He's going to a Florence Colorado to the Supermax. Oh, are they sent into ADX Florence? Yes. Wow. So I don't know that they're going to make big rocks into little rocks there, but he's not going to have an easy time. No, that's, I mean, that's as close as you can get to be in sent to hell without somebody firing a shot. Yeah. ADX Florence sucks. So he's going to Florence, but what was interesting is what they have, you know, they say, oh, he's convicted on seven charges because you get the espionage and then, you know, again, the the prosecutors are great at layering things. So it's espionage theft and then a separate charge theft of classified information is a separate charge. Yeah. And then, you know, export violations because they technically exported technical manuals. And then, of course, the the catch all of catch all conspiracy. Yeah. So, so the young man is doing that. He was giving away technical specifications of the USS Essex and why this is important to me. The USS Essex is the eight hundred and forty four foot long ship Philip that carries Marines. And that's why it matters to Major Slatic. It's got a crew of a thousand Navy, um, enlisted a hundred Navy officers, but we put 1600 guys just like me on it and they take them to the place where we want to go to do Marine like things. So the fact that this guy was given away, I'm sorry, settling at a ridiculously cheap price, um, to a Chinese agent. He sold photographs, video technical and operating manuals and details about the ship's systems. Yeah. So I have no, uh, no sympathy at all. And I'm I'm wondering, do you happen to have an opinion? What what is the typical guy who's going to be in Florence, Colorado Supermax going to think is, you know, there are certain crimes where you do really, really poorly in jail, like child molestation, one of them. I'm wondering how espionage to the Chinese Communist Party is going to go with, I don't know, maybe the Aryan brotherhood. I'm not sure that that's as much of a factor at ADX Florence, because that's a Supermax. He's going to sit in a eight foot by 12 foot concrete room by himself for the 23 hours a day that he's not allowed to bathe or go to the concrete box with a wire mesh on top so he can see a little slice of sky. He's not going to have trouble with Aryan brotherhood. He's just not going to see another human being for a decade and a half. This is where they've got El Chapo. This is where they kept Ted Kaczynski. This is where the Oklahoma Timothy McVeigh was held. This is where the Boston marathon bomber, where the younger brother ended up. This is not where you send stupid 25 under any other circumstance. A stupid 25 year old who makes a $12,000 mistake. ADX Florence isn't even on the menu. Clearly, they regard what he did as something that probably should have been punished with a firing squad, but absent that option, they're going to put them in hotel hell for the next 16 years. What I'm wondering about is this is a junior guy. This is a e3, so a Marine Corps Lance Corporal, it'd be a, you know, again, what they call them in the Navy. I think it's Petty Officer's second class. No, no, he's an e3. No, he was Petty Officer's second class. That's in listed sailor rank. That's what NBC's reporting. Petty Officer's second class. Yeah. Okay, because I've seen him listed as an e3, like a seamen first class or something, but he's a junior guy and he had a security clearance. Let me ask you this because this kind of bubbles around in the back of my head because I think we all fantasize about what we would do if we got contacted by some bad actor. If I were a young enlisted man in the Navy and I have a Facebook friend request from Bob the shipbuilding nerd who wants me to send him technical manuals, do I just go to my superior officer or is there like a espionage command that I can reach out to to say, hey, I got this thing and it looks kind of conspicuous. Do you want a honey pot this idiot or should I just block him and move on? Like how would you tell your Marines to address the initial request? I mean, this is the Navy. He would go to his chief petty officer. Okay. Okay, who would then take him to the exo of the ship? Okay, who would then call NCIS and we all know what that means now. They'd take him to Mark Harman and they'd get the counter intel guys in there and they would absolutely do what you just said. We are going to turn this into to flip this guy onto the other guy and get as many of those people as we possibly can. For some showdown the road, you know, I have a smidgen of experience with the counter intel guys from NCIS. I might have related to that to you at one point, but so I've got a more knowledge about that than the average bear does. Assuming that a man or a woman in a uniform goes that right route and NCIS comes in and goes, oh, we got a live one here. How much does that help for your next promotion recommendation that you flagged the scumbag and brought it to the attention of people equipped to deal with it? I mean, like that matters, right? It absolutely does matter. I think that's all going to be driven by the fact that did you do it at the very first earliest possible sniff or did you did you respond a couple times first in which case somebody's going to be looking at you pretty, pretty funny. No, I understand that, but I guess ultimately my question is would the raise that he would have gotten from an increase in rank having been a good reporter of bad activity been more than the $12,000 he got to serve 16 years. The mitigating factor is going to be how was this guy tracked? How was this guy is personally identifiable information on social media such that that's some guy from the Chinese Communist Party could figure out that this guy is a target. Unless they're casting a wide net at anybody that they could see, had a profile picture with anything nautical in it and they're sending out tens of thousands of these recruitment things like that, but they teach you annually in your intel briefing because this guy's got a clearance is, you know, don't have crap on the internet where people understand that you might know something that's classified. So that's what, you know, now the navy and their counter intel guys should be constantly perusing the social media of people who have security clearances. So it's a double-edged sword. If you went there early, but then they're going to go, yeah, you made yourself a target dude by having listed in your special skill sets, identifiable information, loves reading classified technical manuals in a spare time. I marvel at the things we choose to share. I know a guy, he's a chippy. He's a highway patrolman here in California. Got a Facebook page. He's connected to his mom and his dad and his friends and his wife and blah, blah, blah. Again, this is a highway patrolman. This is not somebody who is accessing classified sensitive information about military vessels. This is a guy who spends a lot of time writing speeding tickets. You know what it says on his on his profile? And by the way, there are no cop pictures. You know what it says on his profile? Insurance adjuster. Love it. Sydney Sweeney and her bra are back in the news. Her jeans or her bra or just her bra. It's actually lingerie. Okay. It's fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Really, when you think about people in lingerie, Sydney Sweeney, I think is an easy sell. She's got a new line of lingerie that she's trying to promote and she, she had a permit to film at the Hollywood sign. She did not have a permit to directly interact with the Hollywood sign. So you can go up and take pictures in front of it, but you can't mess with it or vandalize it. Although I would argue hanging brisiers is very, very low sort of vandalism. But that's exactly what she's now in hot water for. The Hollywood chamber of commerce has confirmed that the production was not authorized by them and it's their sign and by abusing their intellectual property by hanging Sydney Sweeney's lingerie off of it. They may litigate if they don't, if Sydney Sweeney's bra company doesn't pay licensing fees. I mean, I would hope that if they pursue legal action against Sydney Sweeney for hanging a piece of lingerie on the iconic sign that back in the day said Hollywood land back in the day. If somebody litigated, I would hope that she would go for a jury trial, okay? And not simply pay a fine whatever it says. She wants a dog on day in court because and then imagine the jury's selection process of what dear. We're going to talk about who's lingerie. Let me incounts. Exactly. So if you get, if you get, you know, one, let's just be be a be be generic. One red blooded American man who saw her blue gene ad, she'll get a hung jury at worst. And and and I absolutely did not intend to have a double entendre when I said hung jury. Okay. But is there any possible way if she gets a red blooded American 20 something year old male on that jury, which they'd be able to do? Oh yeah. That she's ever going to get convicted. So she needs to go. She obviously has the the financial resources to get whatever attorney she wants. Oh yeah. And and then have this become a jury trial for thing because it would be a spectacle and imagine how much free publicity her new lingerie line is going to be it would be more more bang for the buck that her dog on blue gene commercial was. Oh yeah. I mean, look TMZ everybody from TMZ to KTLA. They're all talking about this. So she's already got a promotional value out of it. Right. I think that the production company and the co-investors in her lingerie line, it would be the smart move, the classy move to go. Oh my goodness gracious. We had the permit. We thought we were clear. Let us go ahead and pay this because now you got everything you need out of this. Here's the thing because your your theory about jury selection is on the money. But there's a line and I'm going to say the lines just about 30 years of age because because up to 30 years of age, you're just going to have go go go. They're Sydney Swini. After 30 years of age, the realization sets in that the pretty lady selling the underwear isn't ever going to thank you the way that you want for having thrown the case her way. And so I'm I think that the smart move you got you got your publicity. People are talking about it. They're getting hits all day on Instagram. All you had to say was Sydney Swini lingerie and every red blooded American man with an Instagram account went. Oh wait, I'm kidding. This is going to be like the blue jeans thing. Pay it. Move on. Everybody's happy. Hollywood Chamber of Commerce got a little nod and some cash. Her production company very much did their job and she isn't the schmuck. And right now Sydney Swini could use a little not the schmuck energy after things got sideways with American Eagle. Is there a limit to what the fine would be that you would say just pay the damn thing versus say, nope, I want my day in court. 10,000, 50,000. I think you could get into low six figures on something like this and they still got their value because again, this isn't just a little thing that circulated on Instagram. It's TMZ. It's KTLA. It's going up on the network because if there's one thing we know, it's Sydney Swini lingerie is going to get a click. Whatever the hell the story. I'd love to see how many clicks we've had in the last 48 hours on Sydney, Swini lingerie in the North America and the answer is millions. I think so. Major, thank you for hanging out this afternoon. Awesome. Hey guys, it's Philip Terressi. 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