Trump Threatens To BOMB Oman To HELL As Iran War DRAGS ON Threatening GOP Midterms w/ Allum Bokhari

They see Donald Trump has lost his mind as he's threatening to bomb the ish out of Oman. Oh boy. Because if the war wasn't already bad enough dragged on this long, uh, Trump's saber retling. I guess we'll see. I guess, you know, Oman is doing a backroom deal with the Ron Trump's pissed. Okay. I guess it's hard to know what's actually happening, but what I can't tell you is that Republicans better get their acting gear because the midterms are coming up like two and a half months. This matters. They're actually predicting now, polymarket and calcium that Alaska is going to become a Democrat state. Can you believe it? It could be fair. I think it's because they're cheating. You know, Dan Sullivan, the Republican is now running against, I believe, two other Dan Sullivan's. They're doing this intentionally to dilute his vote because, you know, what is politics these days, which brings in another big story, uh, Jubilee. The episode came out with me. And, uh, I'll just say right off the bat to all of the, uh, the libs, they're all like gleefully slapping their knees, like, temple rage quits, it's all fake. It's all like semi planned, like, you know, it kind of makes me cringe, but we'll get into it. I talked about it earlier today, but it's all, I don't want, I don't want to call it scripted, but you kind of know as a nudge, nudge, wink, wink, everybody kind of already knows what's going to happen to put it simply for those that are wondering and I won't waste time. Uh, the dude had a beanie in his pocket in 96 degree weather in Los Angeles. Come on. It was a stunt planned. He was tipped off. I had, I had explicitly stated anybody tries to pull the stunt. I'm going to walk off. We all agreed. We knew it was going to happen. It happened. And the exact outcome that everyone thought was going to happen happened. What can I say? But I have a lot to talk about and we'll get into all of that stuff with the, with, uh, Jubilee. 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It's really the best to tell your friends like, hey, you do watch it, you should watch it. And send the link up. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Alan Bakari. Hi guys, Alan Bakari here with Foundation Freedom Online. We fight against tech censorship. All right, Alan. It exists. I mean, you've been in OG, you've been on the show a lot over the years, it's been a minute though. Yeah, back in 2022, I will say, on the specific issue of tech, that has done a complete 180 since 2022. It's getting interesting, huh? Yeah, when I was last here, every social media platform was censored from top to bottom. And since then, Elon Musk's bought Twitter, Trump has defunded the anti-disinformation state. There's been a lot of progress. It's been great. Well, let's let's catch up. Good to have you. We'll get the boys hanging out. Yeah, what's going on here? 2022. That was the dark ages for sure. You brought up the camera inside the TV or whatever. Have you ever seen that pattern that Sony has where you have to clap to end the ad? What? They have a pattern where in order to say, it was, it had a bunch of applications, but one of them that they presented was in order to speed up an ad, you would applaud and say, yes, I love McDonald's. That sounds terrible. And they have it through 2030. That sounds like a black matter episode. You might see that coming soon, or I'll tell you in order to skip the Advertime Guest IRL. I'll just stand up to clap and salute. It'll be great. Smash the like or the Casper ad. Smash the like. The smash the like. We'll skip through that. What's going on? It's up everybody. I'm Phil. What's up, guys? Pump to be here. We'll start the week off. Fresh. Let's get into the news. Here's a story from Mediaite. Lost his mind. Trump sparks fury with threat to bomb the ish of ally. Great. Trump has a direct back channel with the IRGC official is talking about Oman, of course. And he said he's going to bomb the ish out of Oman. He says they're good poker players, but they're dying. He also reacted to the ongoing talks between Iran and Oman regarding the control. If a man gets in the way, we'll bomb the ish out of them. Reactions came in from across the political spectrum. As many were taken aback by Trump's threat to bomb Oman. Okay. Okay. I got a million and one people hitting me up. And this is the point where I got to say to the Republicans, to the GOP, you guys have lost whatever good will was left on this war with Iran. I got, I got normies that, you know, for a while we're like, eh, you know, like, people that I talk to, because I'm a poker guy, right? So I'm talking to regular people in the middle, no, and they'll say, well, you know, like every president started a war, I'm not surprised, but I'm not happy with it. Now they're at the point where they're like, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the news and I'm getting people like texting me, being like, yo, what's going on? Trump wants to start another war and like, what's happening? And I'm just like, it's Trump trying to spike the midterms this late in the game. I mean, come on. What's going on? I don't know. He's trying to spike the midterms. I think that he's, I mean, he's historically, he's got, you know, his mouth gets in front of his brain a lot, you know, he'll sit there and he'll make some kind of audacious remark. But to your point about, you know, people losing, you know, faith in the GOP because of the Iran war. I don't disagree, but I don't know exactly what the right move would be. Like, do you just say, okay, done and pull out? I mean, I don't, I don't know what, you know, what kind of options the administration has now. I mean, I think this is why it's so frustrating because this is, you know, at the outset of the war, what all of us Trump supporters were saying while we were so frustrated with, you know, with the operation of many, we're like, oh, you're not trusting the plan. It's like, well, no, because there isn't really a, a logical victory condition here. I mean, the victory condition is what regime change it would have to be. That would be the only thing you could walk away from this war and say, you know, from whatever our goals may be in the region, that it would be worth it. But we knew that was going to be impossible, A, from Iraq and Afghanistan. That was a disaster. That was a failure. And those are countries far less complex than Iran. I mean, Iran is an incredibly complex country, very ideological. This is the one thing the proponents of the war have correct is that yes, they actually are ideological fanatics. And that's what makes this war so difficult. That isn't an explanation for why we should go to war with Iran. That's actually a caution not to go to war with Iran is, hey, they're ideological fanatics. And so far as no matter who you take out, they're going to put in more officials that will possess the exact same ideology. So from the outset, this is going to be very difficult to get out of without like total victory. And I think all of us knew that that was mathematically very unlikely to happen. And here we are where we've seen reporting from various outlets throughout the war that Trump has fed up with this. He's tired of this being kind of strung along. But to your point, Phil, I mean, what off ramp is there? I mean, the off ramp would have been near the beginning of the war, which was take out their nuclear facilities like we did last summer and then figure out a stalemate. Instead, now we're vying for control over the straight, which, you know, the status quo was, the straight was open. So returning to the status quo would be victory now. It's just a complete mess. This is what all of us were really worried about from the outset. And we did have people that were like, no, it's fine, nothing to see here. The Tim's point, the normies, right, the disengaged voters. You have about a three to six month window with controversial, you know, if you're expending political capital, you have about three to six months to mop that up before the normies notice. The normies are starting to notice now you're seeing it reflected in the approval ratings. And they're now asking like, okay, the gas prices are high and now they're not going down. So what's going on? And they're actually opening CNN for the first time and they're like, oh, we're out. That's like 50% of the country. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's like a, like, prairie dogs. Imagine you know they pop their little heads up every once in a while, but they don't really pay attention But then the car pulls up and the guys got bread and he's handing them out and now all the parade dogs come running up And on ironically This is the worst time for this kind of stuff to be happening and I'm not even joking here Like you can look this up in Google trends and find out this is true is because there's no sports going on right now The NFL I'm serious. It's the only sports in season right now is like what the MLB and the MLS No one cares the world cups over the NFL hasn't started yet the NBA is still like spottering so like people have nothing going on They're tapping into this kind of stuff. They're well in the news et cetera, and there's nothing flooding their their algorithms Let me just let me just add to this, but you know in the political space right now You're seeing a lot of like oh so-and-so's views are down Like they're taking venture period that but comments about us, but guys go to any other Rating metric from any other industry and ratings are in the gutter And it's kind of crazy because I've said like for obviously for us when you're in a political Like when you're off-cycle politics in politics we expect the viewership decline But now I'm looking at other other Viewership metrics and other areas like TV shows for instance and like Disney+ and like we're seeing a decline in ratings on cable TV Everything and I'm sitting here being like wow, you know, I was watching a sports podcast, right? viewership was way down. I'm not gonna drag anybody over this But it was like a big sports podcast and they were getting like a hundred K Preparation on YouTube, and I was like whoa and you go back seven months and they're getting 800 thousand Who would have thought that president Trump was actually gonna be the Harding candidate that are the Harding president that brought us back to normal See and so far as like normies feel like they can finally disengage from politics Disengage from thinking and return back to the bread and circuses But the bread and circuses we have a lapse right now and gas is really expensive So they're putting down the bread and circuses for a second re-engaging with like the new cycle Maybe not our like the podcast arc cycle and they're like oh wait Trump started a war I thought that was this whole thing. Wow. I have a conspiracy theory. Let's go What if USAID? Was funneling money for internet bots to create the perception of population? You think There's a lot of people Population is growing and whatever because you're getting you're seeing a million views in a video Too many and the views are going up and up and up and up and then Trump cuts all that funding off Yeah, and then seemingly instantly every industry is like just it's just gone It's the Pyongyang effect where they have all their new buildings with all the lights in the LEDs And they take all the pictures and they're like look Pyongyang It's like it's all happening. We got a lot of nightlife and then at midnight They cut off the lights off and it goes dark again never anyone there It's the create the perception when the photos go out to outside in North Korea that like hey You know everything's kind of happening in Pyongyang little they know at midnight it all shuts off Well, one thing I like to do is astroturfing media was a big part of what the USAID does This is my favorite response to Critics who say oh They got rid of USAID. They got rid of why why would you get rid of giving food to starving Africans? Well, you know one of the things USAID did we'd actually have an article about this at the foundation for freedom online What's the title? I'll put it up USAID it's let me pull it up here actually foundation for freedom online Okay, I'll get it. Keep going about yeah about interviews So interviews is one of these global NGOs that USAID funded to the tune of $400 million and The one thing that Indian news does they have one mission which is to create media and train journalists all around the world That doesn't sound like giving medicine and food to starving Africans That sounds like astroturfing a global media empire, which is exactly of course what they were doing It's kind of creepy because it's It's it's strange how There's that joke about 1984 wasn't an instruction manual But it wasn't just 1984 It's all of these dystopia novels were It's as if they were being used as instruction manuals and then Trump got elected in 24 Dropped a bomb on USAID wiped that out now all of that stuff is kind of disappearing Yeah, I don't know how much USAID I don't know that you can overstate how much the effect of Getting rid of USAID is having globally never mind just you know with with media and stuff like that I do think that it's likely that the the money that USAID had you was funneling around was heavily influencing Yeah, you know Basically anywhere that they could possibly you know Don't money into they were doing it to just to pad what was a progressive mindset I think a good heat check will be a 2028 for the Democrat primaries is what will the size of the rallies be because you know People pointed out previous Democrat primaries the rallies had a good crowd and then people would kind of come through the numbers And they're like there's these weird shell companies set up and they would pay off You know certain people and then all of a sudden you know common air said this big packed rally and whatnot And then also you would see the same people at like different Democrat events and that sort of thing and then we saw this week They had like the Democrat version of TPUSA, you know, we got TPUSA at home T mu TPUSA what everyone to call it And no one's there and you're like dude during the prime USAID days that place would have been packed are you talking about the stuff that Destiny's involved with yeah, whatever that is like dude back in the day back in like prime USAID days that place would have been packed There would have been like you know the sparklers going off and like the pole dancers that were probably transgender It would have been fantastic. You know, it had been super exciting and whatnot. We go there now. There's like 10 people in the crowd Um, I think the same thing was going to happen in 2028 when you're looking at the primaries the energy or the Democrats going to have that same energy at the rallies Without the the slush fund right without the money going around ensuring that they can pull in people that they can pull different speakers All these you make a distinction between the Democrats and DSA stuff No, not at this point. No, the DSA owns the party. It that they there's a couple polls It just came out saying that the Democratic Party voters overwhelmingly now prefer DSA Yeah, I mean the Democrats might have the steering wheel on the throttle, but the DSA is the engine. That's all that really matters right now So so the name of the report is internews backed by 400 million USAID war chest pushes add blacklists So this is particularly audacious not only where they asked for a certain global media empire But they wanted the ad industry to cut off money from any of the competitors to their control media Let's let's pull this up the foundation for freedom online So this is from just about a month ago. Yeah, yeah, internews backed by 400 million dollar USAID war chest I was the ad blacklist of let me just start by saying guys USAID is the boogie man you thought it was it was doing the things you thought it did and Right now since it's been about a year since it was nuked We are seeing Viewership metrics to cost the board for basically everybody going down Let's be explained for in a lot of different ways. It could be that TikTok and Instagram are taking over long form views are going down But I'm seeing even for a lot of people who produce shorts on YouTube their views on shorts are way down Which is also very strange YouTube's now announced they're going to change the way they count views trying to those numbers back up They're like the moment you click it. It's a view now because they're just they know it's all dropping I wonder how much of our online consumption Was fake viewer numbers and fake comments to trick people into believing an idea was popular the idea is this The propaganda network can make a post saying Donald Trump is bad Then they can get a hundred bots to comment on it give it fake views So to the average American they see this video with a million views and a thousand ten thousand comments All saying Trump sucks and they think that is the popular opinion and when you take a look at how people Particularly women like I'm just trying to be real, which is how they react to stories like Lindsay Clancy They just say okay fine. Whatever is socially acceptable. I'll pretend to believe So tell me Alan. What's going on with this? They're they're they're lying With this this this like what was USAID doing? So over over several years they gave four hundred million dollars to this organization called interviews And it's run they have various outposts around the world They have a European wing they have an African wing Middle East wing and all they do is train journalists and train media back by this huge Train journalists and media back by this huge funnel off of US government money That does obviously since been since being cut off and what I report focuses on here is the fact that interviews CEO as late as 2024 Was saying that was was trying to whip up the advertising industry to do the kind of boycotts that cut off that used to cut off establishment media that used to starve anti-establishment media of ad dollars So not only were they Cultivating a global media empire astroturfing it essentially with US federal tax taxpayer dollars They were also trying to censor the competition without blacklists and I find this story I come back to this story often because you'll again and again you'll see black Stephen Colbert You'll see liberal media saying are you I can't it so Where how can we lack the compassion to take away you aid aid from around the world it was they were hiding a global influence operation Yeah, it's the idea they once just feeding starving children. This is it's funny because it's like It's literally a network of super villains dominating the world through surreptitious means manipulation lies And then Trump just Headbutted it and now it's like I don't even know, you know And you know, I don't even necessarily disagree with the US employing soft power around the world This is the normal thing that will you know great powers do the problem is that so many of these organizations And we see here with the ad blacklists were pushing censorship off domestic US media Yeah, yeah, they did it all through the previous administration It's one thing if you have like a you know for black a better word a ministry of culture that's promoting like I don't like top gun to the world And it's like That you could presumably see how that would benefit American soft power or even like just amplifying, you know, the app. aspects of American culture that we would like to export to the world, right, that reflect better on us, or maybe that, like, sort of fingerwag at the rest of the world and say, hey, no, we're still the top dog, but, you know, we can all, I think, you know, we can all, like, flush out how that money actually got spent and sort of the Afghanistan, Afghanistan was a perfect example, right, that the whether or not, like, regardless of your opinions on the morality of, you know, young girls going to school, trying to tell people that live in the tribal regions that, you know, that are very religious, that know you have to accept, you know, homosexuality, or you have, you know, people that are extremely against those, those kind of progressive ideals, you know, the pride, progress flag, like, yeah, it's, it is, it is preferable from my perspective that young girls can go to school. It is preferable from my perspective that women be allowed to, you know, own property or go to work by themselves or whatever, that's, that's the kind of society that I want to live in, but that doesn't mean that you can just export those ideas to other countries and other cultures that have lived the way they live now for hundreds or thousands of years, you know, like, and it's not a good policy to try to make every other country in the world into a modern liberal progressive society, because they just don't have the ability to do that. You can't take people that have lived a way for a certain way for a thousand years or whatever and say, okay, now we're going to turn on the lights and yeah, we can just put, sorry, but simplify, you can't tell a bunch of Afghani goat herders to be gay. It's, it's left wing. Well, actually, that's not, that's a better way to put that because maybe you can't put a bunch of pride flags and trans stuff in front of a bunch of Afghani goat herders, because I think a lot of them probably are gay. Yeah, they're like, you can't explain to them how you can chop off somebody's dong and give them hormones, going to be like, I don't know what those things are. Yeah, they're more like, that's a little too long than those, like, relax. No, I think the problem is like, and I guess it's good that we have a Brit here, because this is like a good, like, to distinguish, as like, colonialism was a good or bad. It's like, well, what we've been conducting is like, left wing colonialism, right? We're like, we are imposing our will on the world, but then we're imposing like an obviously ideologically left wing, um, well, ideology, but like the Brits, I think are a great example of, like, colonialism as it should be understood, which is inherently hierarchical where they would go into somewhere, I don't know, like, you know, Afghanistan, maybe not a great example, like India, and they go in and they're like, um, actually, no, we're not interested in like helping you govern your own affairs. Like what you guys are doing is ridiculous. We're going to come in and like, impose our will because we're actually correct and like, have a hierarchical system and they're confident in what they believe, et cetera. And they impose their will on whatever country they decided to colonize and it benefited everyone involved, um, unarguably versus the way the United States has conducted our empire has just been a disaster everywhere you go. And I hate to admit this is an American, but maybe we're not the best at conducting empire. Well, yeah, I mean, did the European colonial powers have been like incredibly maligned in history? Uh, I, I thought I recommend the works of Bruce Gilley on this. He's a historian over in, uh, I think I believe the University of Washington, uh, or University of Seattle, perhaps these one, written some fantastic books debunking the colonial myths. Uh, and one thing, uh, one thing I get from reading his books, especially about the British empires, that they always, they always considered the facts on the ground of every territory they go, and they didn't try and impose a single ideology uniformly everywhere. Um, like if there was a, a local practice that they were completely horrified by, like, you know, like widow burning in India, which, or, or that thing where the young dudes raped the other young dudes in Afghanistan, right? What's, I don't know if that's called, but your Basie boy, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So they like, why would we ever allow that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they, they did get to get rid of things like the, the, the widow burning, but, uh, but in all the cases that, with no burn, yeah, the, the saughty, yeah, there was, it was a, it was so crazy, dude, yeah, like, ma'am, your husband's dead, we have to light you on fire. It's totally real. I have a, and she's like, okay, guess I'll die. Is that what women, you work on the subway a few years ago, and that lady got burned? Maybe, do with the women, like, you know, resist, would they be like, no, or would they be like, well, you know, that's the way of life. Uh, I would imagine they probably resist it, but, uh, yeah, you know, the last one was, no, my husband's alive. He's just, he went out for cigarettes. He's just tired. He usually don't like getting let him fire, ordinarily. Well, that one. I don't know, man, when Palestine protest, he was okay, I was, I was gonna say that's like, there's a lot of people that, you know, maybe you could argue they don't like it, but they want it to happen. So, like, I'm not even saying it's a joke, there may be, maybe people who are like crying and sad, but they're like, oh, but it's good because I'll be, you know, doing the right thing or something. Yeah, but to your point, yeah, I mean, like, the, the British, for example, like, they had a line in the sand of like, what was like, actually moral, like, what would be, if we oversaw this happening, would like, literally take us out of communion with God. That was like their standard. But when it came to like, I'm in the procedural things, they were just like, yeah, do your own, do your own thing and like, we'll extract resources and, you know, just leave us alone, we leave you alone. Or the Americans come in and this is the, and Trump made this point and it's like an absolutely correct point in 2016 when he was like critique in the Iraq war. He wasn't doing it for like, libtard, like anti war reasons or whatever. He was just like, where's the oil? Like, we did all of this work. We built all these highways, like, sent all these men to die and whatnot. And like, we didn't actually extract anything from there. So we actually had this very correct understanding of how like empire should work, which is it's mutually beneficial. It benefits the people because you're providing them with like Western governance and it benefits us because we're extracting resources. But the American Neo conservative neoliberal, whatever you want to call it, the main flaw is that it's purely like a benevolent colonialism where we're just trying to impose an ideology on them. And nothing else is to be gained. Yeah. We were, we were almost hesitant to extract resources because we felt bad about it. I mean, while the British went into Iraq and they were like, wait, all these artifacts you have, you're like using them to like hold up stoves. No, we're going to take that. We're going to keep it in the museum. We'll make sure you guys stop killing each other, stop burning the widows. Besides that, do your thing. So like they, they came in. They had like a, a very rigid hierarchy. And unless there was an infraction upon that, they would like leave them their own affairs and the United States is the complete end. But one key thing which they recognized was that they, they had this general idea that they wanted their colonies to eventually be able to self-govern and have constitutionalism. But they also recognized that not every colony, not every society would move there at the same speed. Not everyone was ready. And you know, matter of the historian, he, I'm reading his biography of Alan Burns, who was the British Empire's defender at the United Nations in the 1950s, when every nation was trying to get Britain to colonize and, you know, what he repeats again and again to the, to the, to the other delegations, especially the Soviet Union, was that, you know, not every colony is ready for independence right now. Well, and then the British decided to give up on that in the 1960s and 1970s. And I guess Ian Smith was the last guy that was like still adhering to that. And he was like, wait, what? That was like our whole thing. We weren't supposed to like turn this over until they were ready. And then they, the depends are moving along with Kissinger and it was total disaster. And the result was chaos across the decolonized world. I mean, that you, you wasn't Wakanda down there. I mean, you often hear, you know, arguments about the death toll of colonialism. And some of this is like ridiculous holding, you know, European powers responsible for famines that it couldn't really prevent. But you don't often hear about the death toll of decolonization. Yeah. I would say the, the Rwanda genocide is arguably accounts that, that, that the death toll of decolonization. Yeah. Absolutely. One of those things where it's like while we can concede that like, of course, there were, you know, whatever atrocities may have occurred, that occurs in every country ever. That's just like part of like, I don't know human history. Human history. So this idea that like, you know, every European colonial power was supposed to be able 100% you know, play a perfect game for 400 years. Like, obviously, that's going to happen to your point. It's like, I don't know if we're to way out like the atrocities that happened during colonial rule versus decolonization. I think far more blood was shed and like literally the 10 years of decolonization in Africa than like the hundreds of years of colonial rule and, I want to, I want to speak of the media stuff. Jump to the story. We got this tweet from Alex Jones. He says live shows on XC 90% reduction in viewers after change in algorithm. Are we witnessing mass censorship or just a huge bug in the system? Alex Jones fires the bad signal to Elon Musk. I'm just going to go ahead and say right off the bat. As we've already been mentioning, everything is down in terms of viewership literally everything across the board. Like I mentioned, there was a sports podcast that I was watching and I was shocked to find that one of the biggest, they got like 100,000 views. And I jumped back a year and they were getting 800,000 views. I'm like, wow, what happened in this summer where people have just stopped watching? Now we, we are presuming perhaps it was all USAID that they were attempting to prop up either through bots or otherwise various channels to make it seem like they were more popular than they really were. It's mass manipulation. Let's say Tate makes the funniest joke in the world and then naturally gets a million views. We don't want that to be culturally relevant. So we find some other person and give him 10 million views, prop them up, put them in the front page of TikTok and tell everybody to chop off their dong-dong or whatever. Well, Alex Jones believes that there is a conspiracy. Well, let me just put it like this. I'll play a clip in a second, but I responded. And as the honest opinion is that you can't go pro-Trump for 10 years and then Trump critical and be surprised if your audience drops up. This is not an insult or even a criticism. It is a point of observation to which Alex called Boomer Slop. My response is open an ice cream shop and over the years you have customers who love it. One day you announce you're going to be vegan ice cream and customer stop coming in. This isn't an insult, Alex. So I'm just going to say this, there's a few things here that I want to break down. We already mentioned right off the bat. Fake media manipulation through bots. Who knows? I got no idea. I don't have any strong explanations as to why a sports podcast viewership was down or just, you know, you look at some of these other big shows on YouTube and everyone's viewership is down. So we're trying to figure that out. But I have long maintained that I believe there's an attempt to pi piper people away from Trump. So how do you do it? When you look at the likes of Candace Owens, that debate with Andrew Wilson last week was absolutely amazing. I learned so much about how both of them define words. It was great. I learned very little about the actual case itself. But Candace starts, she's a liberal, then she's a conservative. She may as a House of Lords. Now she's saying basically that turning point is bad, Trump is bad, pulling the moderates and the suburban women who voted for Republicans away. This is the pie per strategy, in my opinion, Alex Jones has been chasing after it. He's been saying he has one tweet up where he says he's starting to think that Israel was involved in Charlie's death or something like that. And he's saying, you know, he thinks Candace may be right. He is clearly chasing after that audience. The only problem is that audience is overwhelmingly female. He went after it. The point is very simple. Since Trump came down that escalator, Alex Jones went from being the establishment is bad. The machine is bad too. No guys, Trump is legit, he's good. Alex then went from being police critical, you know, him, Paul Joseph Watson would do a lot of police brutality videos for very libertarian and conspiratorial to. Now we are supporting the government as long as it's Trump. You spend 10 years building up that audience, they burned his channels down, they deleted his channels and he launched new ones and that new audience is following him because he sells a certain product. He is anti fake news. He is defending Trump until the past few months, Alex Jones flipped, got called out by Trump and has not been very Trump critical and has shocked his viewers are declining rapidly. Now again, I'll say this. I don't think that's the principal reason he's seeing a viewership production. Everybody is, but I'm curious what you guys think. No, I think you're absolutely correct. That's a great take. I think, you know, Trump lumped him in with Candace with Tucker with Megan Kelly. The difference between him and the other three is that Alex has been going to the map for Trump for 10 years to your point where Candace, Chameleon, we could lay that all out. Tucker, people always knew he was somewhat Trump critical, he was pretty critical prior to, you know, 2016, obviously, or 2017, and then even 2020 is all that was going on during his generational run, you know, texts were coming out that he was pretty critical of Trump and that sort of thing. So people always understood Tucker always had one foot out, Megan Kelly, do I have any to say she's always had a bone to pick with Trump. So with them, when they start to do their own thing, the audience is already prime for that. Like, of course, that's why I'm following you because I know you're not a Trump loyalist. Alex Jones, that's why your point so excellent is, yeah, his audience was all Trump loyalists. They were all like, this guy goes to the mat. Yes, he's funny. Yes, he's a bit kooky. I mean, they're like, infamously with the jar behind me, turns out to be correct oftentimes. But people understood, this is a guy that has identified that Trump is the bull in the China shop and he's going to provide the commentary to explain what he's doing. So Alex Jones, I think separate from rest of them got put in this tough spot with Trump's latest decisions where he's like, well, I don't know about this whole around war thing. But yeah, when you flip on Trump and you're known as a Trump loyalist, like, you know, in pop culture broadly. Yeah, your audience probably isn't going to follow you. They're going to go elsewhere to find it's fragmentation. Yeah, where again, to like the previous point, Tucker, Candace, Megan Kelly, they didn't, they were never perceived as Trump loyalists really. Candace, no one knew what you really stood for and Tucker and Megan were always seen as kind of these one foot out. I think it's pretty obvious. If I was going to make a bet, I'd say that Candace and Tucker are getting a large foreign audience. I think Tucker actually said that. I think that was a, you know, correct from wrong. Yeah. Candace. Candace, unfortunately, I think has a pretty large domestic audience, but I think she's, I think she's tapping into an audience that was never conservative. I don't even know if they're really political. She's tapped into like the TMZ audience if I had to guess. It's women. You look at, if you guys follow this Lindsay, uh, uh, what's her face, Clancy story? Yeah. You got, this is a woman who admitted to murdering her children. And she's fighting for a, uh, an insanity plea. And there are women that are saying, it's impossible. She killed her kids because she's a Leo. And they raised almost a million dollars for her family. And I'm just like, you know, I'm not really a repeal the 19th guy, but repeal the 19th. Yeah. These, these were like the same people that were like defending Amber herd. Like these people have been around for a while. And they exist in their own like wine drunk like world because I never meet these, I don't know who these people are. I never meet them. But they're like a huge, I mean, half the country's voting Democrat and the majority of people I meet are Republicans. Clearly, like I'm not going to the places that these people are, um, and those people love Candace Owens. That's just the reality of the situation where Tucker and Megan Kelly, Tucker, I do think might have a larger contingent of his audience that is, uh, that is foreign. But Tucker does have like a bit of a younger audience. Megan Kelly. I don't know what's going on there. I don't even know if she's getting great viewership anyway. Um, but yeah, Candace is, Candace is tapped into an audience that's never been engaged politically to begin with. And that's actually a really bad thing because it's like, if it took you until 2026 to get engaged politically, like you're cooked, like you'll take anything and you're not going to be able to think clearly, like, yeah, I guess if you entered the political like spectrum in 2026, you would think that everything is, uh, trying to kill you at all time. I'm just going to do this, right? And I'm not doing this to insult Megan Kelly or anything. I'm not going to pretend like, you know, right now, live on YouTube, we have 13,500 concurrent views on rumble. We have 11,000, which is, uh, well, I'll just say this, uh, this, this same time in the political cycle, uh, in the previous political cycle, we were average around 27,000 concurrents, which we, we are, we're doing right now. So it's a little low, nothing that's really shocking to us. But my mind is blown when we look at Megan Kelly's YouTube channel, uh, she's got a clip where she, she did a, she got 114 K. It's pretty good. She's got one from four hours ago, 85 K, 40 K. Look at this. She got an, she has a show that she just put up 16,000 views in two hours. She's got a clip here, 11 minutes, 5,000 views in two hours, like that, look at this one, this, this clip is 8,000 views. And again, I'm not trying to rag on her, a one hour long show, 20,000 views. Megan Kelly was crushing it a year ago. And so again, this is not meant to be derisive, but her views are very, very down. It's kind of mind blowing to me to be completely honest, because like my morning show still averages about 180,000 per, per clip, and I do three or four per day. Yeah, but imagine if you came out and you made a video and you said, you know what? Actually, I think skateboarding is pretty gay and I hate skateboarding. You know, half your audience would leave. They'd be like, even if they're not skateboarding fans, they'd be like the reason, you know, Tim's going to flip on a dime like that. I can't trust this guy. And that's what a lot of people are experiencing is like they're doing a sudden heel turn. And even if they agree, they're just like, that's not why I subscribe. Like I understood who you were and what your politics were, but it turns out you have this like various schizophrenic ideology that I just can't like compartmentalize. And so I also want to point out, you know, she's got one with 240,000. She's got one over here with like 300 seven. I'm not saying she's like not like, you know, this has got 30,000. But when Alex Jones is saying like, oh, it's like they're, they're, they're striking at the algorithm. This is their lower one of you is like, I mean, bro, everybody who played this game with Trump is seeing that for sure. Yeah. You can't be pro Trump for 10 years and then will not hurt for 10 years to be fair, because he said she was bleeding out of her wherever. But for a certain amount of years, I'll say this for Alex when they nuked all of his platforms, his long standing audience is largely wiped out. Jason Ellis made a really great point for those, actually, we got to get this episode. I didn't interview them. We got to get it up. He said that, you know, he used to have the biggest show on Sirius. It's because people would get in their cars, turn the car on and the Jason Ellis show is on when COVID happened and people aren't driving anymore. He started hearing from people saying, man, I used to listen to your show all the time. And he's like, it's still there. Yeah. You can listen to it, but it's the habit that changed. For Alex's views on X, I think what happens is his X audience was built after the banning. So he's largely built an audience around, I'm defending Trump. You then come out and invert your product. People are going to be like, no, yeah, there's also this weird, there's like a type of person. I think Alex Jones and Megan Kelly fit into this perfectly. I be curious what you guys think of a person that is famous and everyone knows who they are and what they stand for, but they don't actually like watch their stuff. They're just a famous person, but they're almost like Alex Jones is almost the stand in popular culture when you're like thinking of a conspiracy theorist. You think of Alex Jones, but no one's really like watching his data, you know, no one but a lot of like majority of people aren't like watching his data to stuff. And to be fair to Alex Jones, like if anybody is going to speculate that they're like a victim of the algorithm, he would have a good case because he's been consistently banned the result career. But I'm tired of seeing people that like aren't actually saying anything that's like particularly like dangerous Reggie that are like the algorithms targeting me. I'm like, oh, your content just sucks. That's just the reality. Yeah, I was going to say I understand Alex Jones's reaction because he has been sentenced so many times. Yeah. It is a fair respect. Well, this is why YouTube is changing how they count views because views are down for every one. And that means add dollars are down. Yeah. So it's a combination of things, right? We're going to get less, less dollars per thousand because advertisers, the bids are going to go down and they're going to see less traffic on these videos and they're going to, they're not going to prioritize them. So if you're an advertiser and YouTube says, "Look, we can get you 20,000 views." You're going to be like, "Eh, well, because I like air." As I understand it, the majority of advertisers have given up on eyeballs as a metric for how much they should spend. They now spend money on CTR, like click-through rate. So now most advertisers are like, "Well, I don't care if we get a million views. How much product are you moving?" That's not click-through. They're looking for direct sales. Yeah. So they just want to see some of them metric that are like, "Okay, well, people are engaging with the ad." But this is USAID, 100%. And look, guys, I'm going to tell you a story. I don't know if I'm supposed to tell you this story, but I'm going to tell you a story anyway. So rumble, legit, rumble views, legit, always have been. There was a conspiracy accusing rumble of batting their views and making it fake. You know, and Chris, the CEO, he got so pissed off, he's like, "We were investigating. The SEC investigated rumble. It's real. It's a real website with real views. But these people were always, you know, these liberals, these leftists, and even some conservatives trying to argue that it was fake. I think, I said this at the time, and you guys can look back on IRL, and you can see me say it. I said, "I think YouTube's views are fake." Here's what I think happens. So rumble's trying to get advertisers, but these rumors persist. The views are not real. So advertisers are hesitant. Twitch, on the other hand, just gets big contracts with, you know, one of the big beverage companies. I forgot, which I think might have been Pepsi or something. And these companies will go to a platform like Twitch and say, "Don't know. Don't care. Here's $50 million." Goodbye. They don't care about conversions. They only care that they're spending the money and the brand looks good. Meanwhile, for rumble, the advertisers are all hesitant. They said, "We'll only spend with you if you can guarantee proven sales metrics," which makes it increasingly difficult for rumble. I think everybody else is fake. I think YouTube and everybody else is fake. Here's what I think happens. I think these big networks are propped up. Big tech, we know there was backdoors from the feds and all that stuff. And they make it look like they're where it famous. They make it look like that's where the culture and the zeitgeist is. Rumble comes up totally independent without any weird games with no body and no tricks. And the metrics don't look the same. The comments aren't, the view, the view count is different from comments. What's going on? And then everyone said, "How come rumble's views, comments, ratios, they're different because the rest of them are fake, because Reddit is fake, because YouTube is fake, because those are where they're trying to prop things up to make you convinced what's popular, like Reddit being a great example." So I'll just say this about rumble as to why there's a handful of reasons and ways that we've tested because we're like, first, I trust Chris and the SEC did investigate them. But we have sales, like we sell coffee and stuff and then we actually track our metrics across the board from video to video and everything looks, if we were, when we ignore platform and we combine all our views, seasonally everything looks very much the same as it always has. It's just that some views are now on rumble and some are now on YouTube, but all the metrics look the same. And then take this recognized. And he principally hosts the noon rumble show. So when he's got people been like, "I watch you at noon, I also ask people when they come up to me. I'll be like, "Where do you watch?" They'll say, "I watch you on rumble." And I'm like, "Okay." I think YouTube now has to change their metrics because something changed, something weird is going on. I'll just say this. Do you guys remember when Elon said he was going to buy Twitter? Yeah. And then instantly conservatives started seeing their, their follower count skyrocket and liberals started seeing their follower counts rapidly decline. That was weird. Yeah. And you can't explain that by, and they said, "No, no, it's because liberals are leaving the platform." Oh. And then conservatives are joining. Spare me. That is not reality. Yeah. Yeah. I know it's like this idea that, you know, the rumble views are, they're, they're fudging the numbers. Something is ridiculous. I mean, I, I won't break confidence about it. I had a buddy who featured on, on the Timkass daily news live show. And he's, you know, relatively low follower count, like not, not, not a huge following at all. And he said like two people come up that recognize them from that noon live, independent of anything else, Timkass related where, and I actually had one person come up to me. And they were like, "I watch, you know, I watch your noon live or whatever." And I was like, "Oh, thanks for watching." And I was like, "Are you like a Timkass fan?" And he's like, "No." So it was like this weird moment where like he doesn't even really watch IRL, he just watches that noon live. Right. And I think it was a habit thing where he was just like on my lunch break. He said he needs coasters, so he watches on his lunch break. Yeah, they opened up rumble and they watch, there was one of the smartest things that rumble did was the morning line up where they have the, like a network of shows in rotation. Yeah. But that was when I was like, you know, first of all, I'll say it again, like when I was going down, I'm like, there is a weird coordinate effort to get an ad boy kind of rumble. Because rumble was basically saying, "We're going to allow people to say what they want." And this is during COVID, especially. But I bumped into people who were like, "I watch you on rumble, and I watch on YouTube anymore." And I'm like, "Interesting." So YouTube is now desperate. And what we're seeing behind the scenes is that YouTube is easing up on the censorship, desperate to get viewers back, and now they're going to change how they account views. Now as soon as you click the link, a view appears, which means everyone's YouTube views are going to start spiking like crazy. Yeah, I mean, look, YouTube really did, has done significant damage to their own brand just by, you know, by the censorship stuff, by the fact that they definitely put their finger on the scale for some creators or some opinions and stuff. And there's still a lot of people that look at the limitations and the censorship surrounding COVID. And they got to, you know, that's what, that was the whole genesis of rumble in the first place. Is people looked at YouTube and they knew they couldn't say this, couldn't say that, and rumble stepped into a place where people were looking for that kind of unadulterated commentary. And whether you agree with people on rumble or a particular creator on rumble or not, that doesn't matter. People know that if they go to rumble, they can say whatever they want. And you've got some people that say fairly risque stuff, you know, it's not, it's not totally free for all. But, you know, like, I mean, Myron is over on rumble, if I understand correctly, and he likes to say things to get people worked up and there's, there's a lot of creators like that on rumble because it is actually a place where they kind of express themselves. Well, what, what have you guys noticed at least in like, kind of the consumer trends broadly in this new paradigm that we're in? Consumer trends, we haven't been monitoring that closely. I will say on the rumble point though, that's an interesting little tidbit. We've been monitoring this, this growth of this term, digital sovereignty in, in non-US countries, Europe, Canada, Australia. And this is the idea that Silicon Valley companies, they've all gone right wing. We have to build our own tech companies. And I was watching a panel recently of Canadian news channel, TBO, one, it was like, must be in an hour and a half, they were discussing how can Canada build up its own tech sector, build up its own tech companies, its own tech platforms. So we don't have to rely on, you know, Elon Musk and, you know, and these, it's supposedly right wing tech platforms. And not one, it not once in an hour and a half, they mentioned rumble, which is a Canadian company. Yeah. They want digital sovereignty, but digital sovereignty has to confirm that the new, the new native, new local companies have to confirm their ideology, they can't be, they can't be something like rumble. Well, it's kind of ironic because, I mean, oh, I guess it's not that ironic, but some people remarked recently that for chance effectively dead, that it's just like a total, like, you know, it's always been a pretty CD place, but like, it's, especially dead, like, user traffic's down, et cetera. Someone made the point that all that really happened was now that Twitter is kind of a Wild West that most of what you would have seen on 4chan is just ended up on Twitter, like, sort of in the a non-Sphere, right, where it's like, where do the term a non come from? Well, it came from 4chan when you post, it says your name's anonymous. And that kind of culture, you know, that digital culture has now migrated on to Twitter. We're now that sort of those edgy thoughts or, you know, ideas or whatever that you would have found on 4chan previously now live on Twitter X almost exclusively. And it's killed 4chan in the process. One of my proudest moments was during Game of Gate making many, many threads on 4chan telling them to make Twitter accounts. Yeah. It was sort of like a Paul Revere of it. I mean, that's the, you even see the, you know, green text, green text format on X now. You know, if you're a person that's gone to 4chan for any, you know, any amount of time, basically, you're familiar with the green text, basically, it's a story or whatever. And you see that kind of stuff showing up, you see copypostas. You see a lot of the, a lot of the stuff that was on 4chan on X and, you know, it makes sense because one of the things that 4chan used to love to do was go to, you know, normy sites and either do raids or, or try to get people to believe some kind of outlander story like the okay sign like that came from 4chan, you know. So, I mean, 4chan, so thoroughly, you know, eviscerated everyone and that sort of culture word that now you see like liberals leftist pundits or politicians, like sort of regurgitating stuff that you would have seen aesthetically on 4chan, like 10 years ago and now they're like deploying it. Like you'll see Gavin Newsom post like a soy Jack or something to describe JD Vance. And it's like, sure you're attacking your right winger, but like you're using our language so that is like an implicit right wing cultural victory in an interesting way. They say the right wing comp to culture, but look at Pepe the frog. Yeah. Yeah, that's our modern Picasso in many ways. No, but thank you for your service. You indirectly got President Trump elected and here we are. So thank you very much. Get rid of the meme more. Yeah. The first game of gate book from passage press should be out next year and so on. Oh, really? I was reading through, I was thumbing through Scott Greer's new white pill book through passage and it's like a fascinating anthropology where like kind of puts things in perspective of like, okay, you know, while we can like just sit in this current home and look around and be like things are pretty bad to see like how hopeless things really were 10 years ago and how thoroughly like the online write has like changed culture for better or for worse is fascinating. So that book's like a really good like cultural anthropology of like how we got here but like what the mechanics were in the right wing that like led to this current moment. Yeah, the the idea that you hear frequently people complaining that the right wing doesn't really have an influence on culture and that's just verifiably wrong. Just have to look at basically the internet, right? Like the the influence that the right has had, you know, whether it be like you were saying, you know, Gavin Newsom posting sujax or, or, you know, the vice president, you know, but actually the memes that come out of the White House, just the fact that the White House, all memes are right wing. This is since the inception of memes, there was a study that came out and this is, you know I'm talking about right, 2014 or whatever, it was like four channels, the originator of all memes. Yes, I saw that and they got normed through Reddit and then into the wide social media. Word for Liberty's posting, Pat Bees. It's interesting now, and I guess it was the point I was making earlier, it seems like X is the engine room now of sort of popular memeage, like if you go on Instagram, that's such a cringe. Not for long. But if you go on like Instagram, Reels, you're just seeing stuff that you would have seen on Twitter like two weeks ago and I'll finally breaking in and you go to 4chan now and it's like a total ghetto. Like there's, there are no longer like upstream when you like go browse through B or whatever, like they're totally in their own world now and nothing that happened, not nothing. But the majority of discourse happening on there doesn't trickle into the mainstream anymore, like you would have seen even maybe five years ago. Yeah, I mean, that's likely because like you said, they really kind of have gone to Twitter because the point of a lot of the stuff that was going on on X was to create influence or to be able to affect the conversation and now there's no need to do it kind of in the same kind of subversive fashion they can actually get on to X and maybe they have an anonymous count. But they don't have to just, you know, throw bombs the way that they did on on 4chan, they can actually, you know, express their ideas whether or not they get traction. That's kind of based on the value of the idea in and of itself. Let's jump to the internet drama that is made. I saved this for later on the show because I don't want to lead a show just off myself, but I did a surrounded temple versus 20 progressives. And I just want to say right off the bat, I'm accused of rage quitting. It pulls you say BS to get money to pull storms out of debate with 20 progressives. It's actually not real. It's a fake headline. I got up and walked 10 feet away next to the camera for 10 seconds and then walked back and sat back down because the whole thing is fake. But I'll explain everything in greater detail. But let me just say the Jubilee crew was extremely professional. They were very nice. I believe they were very fair. They're getting a lot of heat for calling me a moderate because they just asked like, how do I consider myself? And I said, moderate. And they're like, okay, that was really it. And I think if you watch it, it's patently obvious I am. One guy actually sat down and was like, if we agree on all of these things, why are you here? And I was just like, I guess that's a question for production. But this is what they don't understand. They can actually have a guy sit down and be like, we agree on a lot of things. You're also not a moderate. But let's talk about the clip that went massively viral. Mason posted it. He's the guy who I walked away from. It's got 5.1 million views. Not just that. I believe Hassan. Piker reacted to it. It's on the top of a bunch of subreddits. The first thing I'm just going to say is the whole thing is stunt and it's fake and I'll explain exactly why. But let me show you exactly what happens and why I walked away. So let's just play this clip real quick. Just the last 20 seconds. >> There's coming in every fucking year, and what it doesn't happen is a whole bunch. >> Do you want to show box? Do you want me to get you a show box? >> I can leave. It's really easy to leave. >> It's really easy to leave. >> We're setting this up. >> They tell me. There's not going to be any like heavy prep. They'll have a general idea, but they're not even given the exact claims. One person told me that They went to debate certain foreign policy issues and then found out they it was Glenn Greenwald and they're like, oh, but I agree with him on everything So it was like I'm not even going to debate him, right? Because they don't know. I Wouldn't be surprised if someone at the company told him like, hey, we want to do a big stunt. It's TV, right? But I don't know that for sure. What I can't say is Clearly a stunt was planned by someone and someone gave him information as to who was going to be there because only There there's only one person stupid enough to wear a flannel over shirt black under shirt and a black beanie in 96 degree Los Angeles weather, and that's me So when he was when he pulled a bean of his pocket, I was like, you don't have that on accident, okay? What I will say is I didn't form some of the people there already Hey, look, I'd seen Ben Shapiro when that trans man flip the chair around set there and just be right at him and he sat there and took it If someone's going to come here and it's there's no intention of a real conversation. They want to they want to just want a clip I'm going to get up and walk out which is going to be great TV. We know that and So that's exactly what happened the moment he started monologuing and I realized we're not having a conversation He's just clip farming when he pulled the hat out. I'm like it's all you brother and quite literally after the show I'm like tense. I see me walk off camera. He says his thing. I literally walk right back and then everyone claps It's it's very fake. I think all I think most these people are actors In my opinion, they're probably I think they're actors I think they like like people in LA. They have political opinions some of them are not in fact some of them afterwards came up and said I'm a big fan. I watch you all the time. I disagree with a lot of things. I'm like no, I totally cool totally cool But I think a lot of them are just they there's a probably a casting company or something and they're like Looking for talent with certain political opinions to discuss certain things I don't think that's a secret. I think everyone knows. That's actually how they do it So these people coming here are not intending to have a conversation on the merits They're intending to have a conversation to get as many clips as possible because they know these videos get millions of views I think this is also what's killing the space. I think it's also very bad for surrounded for Jubilee I don't think they do it intentionally. I think Jubilee actually tried to make it more conversational I don't want to say too much about behind the scenes because it's a lot of their business But I'll just tell you there was a point where the director was like guys, please stop doing this like They they they would be like okay, the night, you know, my next claim is this thing and then the dude comes and sits down And it's later like F you tim pool. You're ugly and you wear a stupid hat and they're like stop. What are you doing? They didn't literally stop any of the debates. They would like people raise their flags. They'd be like guys Please don't do this which we're trying to stick to the conversation and so what's happening now is young people I believe many of these young people are bringing on And we'll see we invited Mason to come on the show and you may see him soon We'll see what he has to say about a lot of this conversation I think a lot of these young people are growing up in a world where attention is everything and the facts don't matter It's post-truth So in in their mind if you want money if you want fame if you want to know it already fake it all get the clicks nothing else matters for me Well, I care about the issues of care about the merits and I want to talk about certain ideas So when they sit down with me and I say I think thing is happening and they go you're a grifter They're doing that because they know liberals click things based on emotional satisfaction and insults So the conversation does not matter. It's a bit disappointing I think Jubilee tried really hard to avoid that, but it's what manifests Because this is what young people are turning into is and that's why they're progressive Because if you actually watch the full episode you'll see none of them actually really believe anything Like I'll just let you guys in on a big secret One of my claims and I don't even I you know what the claims are out of order And I warned them about this When we filmed when when we filmed this It goes like this my first claim is x My next claim is x and my last claim is x you say and I mean x as the literal variable meaning I don't just say my first claim is that the Democrats are more violent My next claim is that the constitution is no no no you literally say my first claim is Democrats are violent pause My next claim is a Democrats are violent pause and my final claim is that Democrats are violent Because for editing purposes they want to make sure and I actually agree with this to a certain extent That if someone knows something about me and they bring up a context that doesn't make sense You the viewer are going to be like I don't understand what he's saying So they they go by the flow of the conversation based on the points made However This was I believe the last point that was made and it may be because on the question of the constitution No one had anything to say I'm sitting around all of these people and they're like okay if you'd like to debate the constitution get ready and then nobody wanted to And they'll kind of shrugged Because they don't know how to have a high level multi-order thinking conversation which my claim was and I'm assuming it's in there I guess That the constitution effectively does not exist which was before claim number three, and I specifically outlined this to them, you cannot introduce a claim that we're tracking towards a civil war without understanding the context of a body politic and what constitutes a body politic. Of course, they chose to arrange it as they thought make the most sense for the viewer and I understood why they were gonna do that. So it is what it is. We had a conversation about it and I showed them the four and I said, "These actually go in escalating order for a reason." And like to say, to have a conversation about the propensity towards civil war and not talk about, I'm assuming the constitution was claimed for, I don't know. When it got to the issue of the constitution, the reason they may have moved it is because the progressives all completely agree. We have no constitution. There are two distinct political bodies in the United States. Each of them views themselves as what constitutes the moral underpinnings of the United States and both are diametrically opposed to each other. There is no more, a unified view of what America is with the disagreement over its politics. There's quite literally a dominant democratic socialist of America arguing there should be no Senate and we should have a parliamentary system instead. That is so far off the deep end. It literally says no to the first article of the constitution. They are literally have a dominant political faction in the country saying we reject the constitution. Not the Bill of Rights, the initial articles. So when they do, this is what I say, we don't have a constitution. When you've got one side arguing for laws and policies to defy the initial articles as well as the amendments and the Bill of Rights and the following amendments, they all agreed. So what do you do? What do you do? So long story short, like the guy right there that in the green shirt, he had no argument whatsoever. He literally got up there and then just started screaming saying he agreed with me, a civil war is coming and it's your fault, Tim Poole. And then there's a really funny point, which they did include, where something happened where I was like, who's next or whatever, and then I'm like, I guess we are tracking towards a civil war because these people were all like, it was after this guy said something bad should happen to me. So I don't know if you guys, if you have any questions or whatever, but the long and short of it is it's WWE, right? - Well, I mean, as someone that spends a lot of time with Tim Poole, I can attest to the fact that he's certainly a moderate and it's frustrating. But yeah, we've had some spats. I mean, over certain policy that he has, I would say he's more liberal. I mean, I think you just have positions that are liberal and some that are conservative and then on the whole it does come out moderate. These people are always scandalized 'cause they get up and they think they're gonna debate, I think the reality is, - 'cause they think you're like super convinced. - Oh, yeah, they mean it. Like, oh, this is like a really pragmatic guy. - Well, actually, with all the respect to some of them, there's one guy, it was funny. Crowder, I was talking to Crowder out this earlier and he was like, how come there were no black liberals? And I said, oh, there was one. It's like, oh, that's right. There was that the one guy with the 14 points of fashion mode over and I was like, yeah, and he also said that America was founded on slavery in 1619 or whatever. And I'm like, oh boy, here we go. But interestingly, after the show, he come to me and he said, he said, hey, I just want to say, thank you for coming. I actually agree with what a lot of what you said. I, you know, to be honest, we were here for another prominent conservative commentator who I'm not gonna name and they were like, we were very unimpressed, he was very stupid. And I was like, wow, look, I'm not here to rag any body. And he was just like, no, but you made a bunch of points that actually thought were pretty smart that I hadn't considered, so I appreciate it. And I'm like, oh yeah, right, oh man, I was like, it was great talking to you. I'd love to do this down with you at some point. Afterwards, we walked out and they're like three or four of these young guys and they were like, oh, that was so awesome. And they shook my hand and I said, you guys are always welcome to come on the show. We'd love to have you and they're like cool. There's just the ones that get all the attention for obvious reasons are the ones who are pulling stunts, like putting a bean in his head, which to be fair, we invited him explicitly because of this to come on. - Well, I mean, because Jubilee like has demonstrated they can mint like commentators, more like streamers, I would say like they, we could list probably a dozen of sort of personalities that had their big break on Jubilee. So these guys come on there looking for their big clip that they can get the go viral on Twitter. Now, this is what was so frustrating for me with our culture or show was we would invite, you know, a conservative and we would invite a liberal and then Tim would sort of be the moderate, moderating, so to speak, but what ended up happening is the liberal would just ignore the conservative and then just go at Tim on like one point that they did. One point that they, I guess, thought Tim might be vulnerable on and then the entire show would just turn into the liberal trying to clip farm off of Tim and Tim being like, I don't have like a super strong opinion on your very niche topic that you're like trying to push on me and it was so frustrating and it like really, like kind of cut through the veneer that I had from like the debate blood sports, which was that both parties like had like a, you know, an ideological disagreement. I was like, no, the conservatives typically like did just simply believe what they like sort of spout. The liberal was quite literally just like an attention or often, oftentimes, and I'm not even trying to be like intentionally like, you know, inflammatory here. They were like quite literally just a, like a click whore and they were just trying to clip farm off of Tim. - Well, I mean, here's the reality. And I will say this with as much arrogance as I possibly can. These are young guys with very limited experience in politics, in life. And they want to sit down with people with tremendous experience both in life, business, conflict, crisis, whatever it may be. What do you think's gonna happen? I mean, let's just let's simplify it, right? You know, Phil is a platinum rock star and imagine a 20 year old who's been in his, he started a band six months ago, wants to tell Phil how it's done. Like, Phil's literally been there, done that, and then some. And there's a clear gap in the skills and experience he would have versus someone just starting their career. And so what makes this very strange is, I suppose to the, to the fault of politics, young people who think they know things with no reason to actually think, think these things, deciding to get up and scream about things they don't know much about. - Well, and I think what's going on too is like, you know, if you're playing a game of chess against like a grandmaster, right, you're going to meticulously plan out your opening. Like you do not want to get into just a tip for tap battle with a grandmaster. You want to have an opening, a game plan. You know, you make this move, he makes this move, and then you work your way down the game. So when these people come on to debate guys that are just conservatives, they have this like opening in their head. And it's like, okay, when he says this, then I can hit him with this and then take his piece here. But when they debate Tim, like what ends up happening is Tim doesn't make that move 'cause he's not just like, you know, died in the wool conservative. He's not like, you know, just a Fox News talking ad. And they get thrown off. So then what you typically see in these debates, is they're still making these points that Tim is not making. And that's like the pre-planet. - They're not actively debating. They're running a pre-programmed opening. That Tim's not, he's not making-- - Let me tell you the craziest thing I think out of the whole debate was when I think it was, it might have been the dude in green, I'm not sure, said, it might have been him, I said something like, there were people who voted for Donald Trump hoping that migrants would be shot and killed. And he goes, no, there weren't. And I was like, what, there absolutely were people that were hoping that ICE would go out and shoot illegal immigrants. And he was like, you actually think that. And I was like, yes, I think there are white supremacists and racist and ultra-nationalists who don't like migrants. It's like, thank you for saying that white supremacists voted for Trump. And I'm like, yes, some do. Like, it is insane to me that because their whole position has to be, Tim pulls a conservative and he's wrong like everything, that when I literally say something like, there are white supremacists in this country and they did want migrants to be shot, they have to tell me I'm wrong, despite the fact that it was their position from the get-go. It's the bugs-bunnying. And so I do these things on purpose. That if you agree, like, so the point I'm making is when bugs-bunny, if it was I don't know the reference, I think everybody does. Almurphods in the middle and Daffy's going, it's rabbit season and then bugs goes, it's duck season. And they're going back and forth and Almurphod doesn't know to shoot. Then bugs-bunny eventually changes it up and goes, it's rabbit season and then Daffy goes, nice try bugs, it's duck season. And then bugs goes, I guess you're right. And then Fudge shoots Daffy. That's the point. Often I intentionally will introduce a position where I know I'm going to agree with someone as a trap to see if they're actually having a conversation or if it's a performance. So when I say to someone, white supremacists are real and many of them want a migrant shot, Guy instantly says, no, they aren't. No, they didn't, you're wrong. And I'm like, okay, this is not a real conversation. And then I said, wow, I don't really, you know, super right wing, I guess. It's literally dogs catching the car compilation. That's like what you're watching. Yeah, exactly. No idea what to do. They literally, and they laugh. Like everybody in the crowd's laughing because they don't know how to react to the guy they're told is right wing, saying something that they should agree with. But they can't. Yeah, I mean, look, that's true. But I also think that there's a certain amount of, you know, the left doesn't understand the right whereas the right does understand the left. And when I say right, I'm speaking broadly, people that are not ideologically possessed by whatever the left is kind of pushing now. And it's consistently the norm. You hear people on the right, they're able to articulate what the left thinks. They are able to articulate the left's arguments. They say, you know, they're misguided. They're silly or whatever. But, you know, they just have a different worldview. Whereas the left are just like, well, he's Hitler. You know, everyone on the right's Hitler. They're all white supremacists. They're all white nationalists. They're all racist. They're all, and it's just all this constant the day. Luzov. It's a. moral failing to be on the right. And the morality is from their perspective. And so you don't actually, you can't have a debate with someone like that because they're not going to listen to what you say. Well, it's, again, it's WWE. Does it, like, I did not go into this. I'll tell you exactly why I agreed to do Jubilee because I had said before that I wasn't interested in doing these surroundings. I did another one with them. So that's a debate, another debate coming out with, it's a face off. And then we did a podcast. They may have already put it on much or, but I did this for one reason to quite literally create clips where I'm saying something fairly moderate to liberal and having a progressive argument that it's wrong. So quite literally, I go in there with the intention to say something that the left will lie about me to other people about creating a clip that will be almost surreal, like me saying white supremacists voted for Trump and they were hoping that migrants would get shot because I do believe that's true. I just don't believe it's the majority. I think the last number that was tracked was like 11,000 clansmen exist in the United States. I certainly think many of these people are racist. Don't like brown people, but I don't think it's all of Trump's supporters. I think it's a tiny minority people who had supported Trump in the past with the obvious examples that prominent white nationalists did vote for Trump later did not. But it creates a situation where I know these people are going to argue the inverse. What am I going to do with that? So I'm going to put on this. I was talking to Crowder about it. There's a bunch of companies that I work with a political right, especially the sponsors for this show and sponsors we do on other shows. And they'll say things like, you know, our concern is like, here's what someone said about you. But I never go on to corporate or liberal media and say what I normally say, right? Like on IRL, everyone knows that I'm fairly moderate as Tate's mentioning, like being here, it's like I'll have some liberal positions. But the liberals will never share those. The news will never share those. So the sponsors aren't going to see them. So I'll go on a Jubilee. And then I'll argue from a moderate liberal perspective on most of their things. And that will create a sort of dissonance in there in their media ecosystem. So now I can take the clips of these people acting like lunatics and me saying things that are actually kind of liberal and then say, it's just fake news. Yeah. Like me and Tim could argue for an hour on abortion. Like arguing with everybody on abortion. Yeah. I mean, Tim has a litany of positions that are liberal. But of course, it's not what's going to be broadcast, especially if people like this have already siloed you in their head. Like they have already identified. You must be some sort of right winger. And it's like their bogeyman. It can not fit you into. I'll tell you a funny story. Actually, maybe we can do a we can do a bit on this one. Let me let's do a bit. Let's get personal with it. Let me figure out where I posted this. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. I got it right here. I'm going to pull up this thing that I probably shouldn't, but I'm going to pull it up anyway. If I if I can, you know what I might have to download it. Let's see. Okay. We're going to download this thing real quick. I'm going to load it up and we're going to play a game. We're going to play a game called don't say these things. You will lose everything. So let's let's do that. Okay. Where did I just save this thing to? There it is. All right. Let's let it in. You know what? Did you guys know that I play poker? What? You may have heard that. So I got two stories for you and we'll start with this one. Mike Holtz. You've learned his name for the first time. He's a poker pro and he posted on poker news. So here I am playing the MGM Potomac Summer Open is a $3,000 tournament. I ended up min caching. I did pretty well. I profited. It's a long story. We'll get into a second. But I played this at MGM in National Harbor in DC. And this guy crushed me. I got lucky. Then he got lucky and it is what it is. Poker news is one of the preeminent news organizations covering poker. Gee, who do thought? This guy is the host of their podcast. He posted in response to them just covering the news. They didn't say they liked me. They just said Tim Pools here. He busted out. Why are we giving this human ish stain any air time? He betrayed America. We should beat him publicly. Ah, on the list of things you should never say on your employer's Instagram page or for legal reasons things you should never say. I take this threat very seriously. As does my security team. And this set off a whole bunch of sirens. Because when someone says, I mean, there's a lot of things you can say where we get pissed off. But there's very little to be done such as he should be beaten. It's not an imminent threat. He posted we should beat him publicly. Okay, now we got a problem. We got a big problem. This guy does the poker news podcast is my understanding. He all and poker news is present a lot of these events. So naturally, my security is like, this is a credible threat where I don't know if he's an employer, what is dealers, but he's a representative of poker news. On the poker news page saying we should beat him. Now we have concerns about potential threats from employees of poker news who were very nice to me and who I like aside from this guy. This is what it's like out there in the wild with these lunatics. This is what the kind of things that we have to deal with. So that's why I bring it up because we're taking this very seriously. And we're going to be sending out to the extent that will be filing police reports and going after this, we have to because if this guy makes any appearances and any events I'm playing in tournaments at, we're going to have an issue now because he's made a direct threat to other employees of poker news that they should be physically attacking me. So we're going to take that very seriously and reports are currently like we're currently preparing the process for all those things. So we'll see. I do believe he may have deleted it already, but look at it got 30 likes. This is what we have to deal with when I simply go to a casino to play a poker tournament, but I'll tell you a story and why this comes up because you know, we were just talking about the Jubilee show and these, these, these, these lips trying to, uh, these progressives trying to debate, but they're not really trying to debate. So the first table I sit at on day one B of the tournament, there's a guy at the table who, for no reason, I guess, asks me about, he said something like, so you're not, you don't, you don't believe in climate change or something. He asks me that and he said something like, I had to look you up and I was like, I, I just interviewed a guy from Noah who said he thought that man, man, climate change was real, but there's corrupt people pushing an agenda behind the scenes and like, Oh, this is the point. These people, these liberals believe what they do because they live in the matrix. They, they don't know what's true. They just live in a world of lies pushed by, by other liberal commentators and the corporate press. It is fabricated. It is made up and they go crazy and they post criminal things. So here I'm at a table. So later, they eventually move you because it's what happens in multi-table tournaments and a dealer come up to me and he was like, I want to apologize. I didn't know if I should have intervened because of the things that I was saying to you and I was like, No, no, no, no, no. Like this guy was just trying to debate me at the poker table and I just, you know, sorry, but I smoked him. He said when I mentioned, I was like, Oh, no, I think, you know, humans are affecting climate. There's a lot of pollution. He's like, Oh, well, what do you think about legendary hero, Anthony Fauci? And then I laughed and I was like, Oh, some people think that I guess, you know, some don't. And he's like, well, he says something like they would be wrong. And then I said, or I just think they're mad that Fauci in January knew that it likely came from a lab, but instead publicly stated that there was no evidence of that. And then a year later, despite having red flags, the vaccine may be causing miscarriages publicly stated that they weren't and then several women had miscarriages. So there's reasons why people are upset with him is what you deal with in the wild, though. So ultimately, I'll put it like this. I wanted to highlight this for two reasons. And then we'll kick it to a broader conversation on the issue. You can't do this. I'm going to make that clear right now. You as a representative working for poker news, responding to the official corporate page of poker news, saying we should beat him publicly. Now my security takes that as a threat from all staff at poker news.com. Okay. So now we're going to be putting in reports with all the casinos that I play at when I go to these tournaments. This guy works for this company and he threatened physical violence against our client. And we're going to have to deal with that. And it's really annoying. But you know what we're going to, you know why this should not be tolerated, will not be tolerated. No one should accept this degree of psychotic behavior. We are at right now in this country where people post things like this. Okay. This is insane. So here we are. And you know, the tournament was a lot of fun. Like I wasn't there. But now we have to considerations because I don't know where he will be. And I don't know which other staff at poker news agreed with him and smashed that like button. And I think we're going to have to try and figure that out. That's the thing that kind of is most concerning. Is there so many people that just like it like 30 people decided, oh, this was actually a good thing to say, particularly when you know, he works for the poker news or whatever. It's like you were playing tournament that they're covering like why on earth would you think this is acceptable? But you know, people just spout off. And especially with, you know, BS stuff, he betrayed America. What even is that? Well, right. I mean, obviously, but you know, to go back to the Jubilee thing, there are people who don't care for what's true. They live in an emotional reality. And they want, they just want to hurt people, I guess. That's the craziest thing, right? There's a lot of people in the world I don't like. I don't really think. much about hurting them at all. You know, like I've never thought about causing any kind of physical harm to any liberal personality. What's with liberals where they just want to beat people? Yeah, who would smash the like button on that? That's really weird. You know, there was this social psychology study that I was, I believe, for a couple of months ago by, I've got to hear by Arctotherium about how much conservatives and liberals hate each other and how much conservatives and liberals think the other side hates to hate each other. Obviously, you're not a conservative Tim, but they think you are. And what the study found was that liberals think conservatives hate them much more than they actually do. And conservatives underestimate the liberal paper. Well, the other study was that, similarly, that when asked conservatives could accurately predict the political opinions of liberals, but liberals could not predict the opinions of conservatives. Yep. Yeah. You can't model the mind of someone you think is, you know, so evil that they're an alien, alien person. Well, you know what I think it is. I think it's that liberals are mentally ill, largely. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. You don't have theory of mind. They can't model someone. Well, there's a direct correlation. This is a fact. It's a scientific fact that liberals have higher rights of mental illness. Yeah. And so I think it's not that liberals are mentally ill, but that mentally ill are attracted to the ideals of liberalism because, you know, to be honest, I think this wasn't always the case with liberals in this country, but I believe that those who seek power are very joker-esque. They seek out the mentally ill to weaponize because they know they don't have the critical thinking capacity to resist the manipulation techniques. And thus, they're perfect cannon fodder for a joker-type personality, which I think all of these liberal personalities really are. I mean, guys, have you ever seen Calculinsky? He's a clown. He's the joker, bro. He lost his mind. He used to have brown hair and he was super chill and calm. And he once defended Carl Benjamin. And I was like, this is a good dude. You know, he was, I can't remember who he was talking to, but he was like, stop. Like Carl's not a fascist. I know I mean, I don't agree with him on things, but and I'm like, he's normal. And then he like bleached his hair. And now he just screams. And he's just super angry all the time. And I'm like, bro, joker, doubt. I don't, I don't get it. Does that the money go up or something? The thing that one of the things that I that really just shocked me that that he did is how he was on, he and both him and Crystal Ball were both on Joe Rogan's podcast. And Joe gave him a big up and was always very cordial and nice, obviously. And then they just, they got to the point where they have been just dogging Joe Rogan every chance they get. Just not just, you know, saying, look, this, this isn't right or this, you know, debunking things that Rogan says, but just straight up like insulting him and add homino attacks just because again, because he says things that they disagree with. This guy was nice to you. He brought you on his show. Like it was, and he at the time, even now Rogan's probably still one of the biggest podcasts. If he's not the biggest, but like, they were essentially nobody and he brings them on and treats them well. And they're just stabbing them in the back. And it's not, I said shocked, but it shouldn't be really all that shocking from the left, but it's just, it, it speaks to the moral character and I won't even get into the morality of those two as a couple. So I'll leave that at that. But yeah, I mean, liberals have approved. They haven't all gone joking mode. I actually, Taylor Lorenz used to be one of my least favorite technology journalists, but she's been really great on the age verification issue. Really? And how it, how it feeds into digital ID and a Meredith Whitaker president of signal. I actually wrote some negative articles about, about right, but also great on that same issue. So there's a, there's actually a good, I'm seeing like a good sort of bipartisan convergence on that particular issue on online privacy and digital ID. So, you know, no, not all liberals have gone. That's something that's very a big deal in the UK right now, right? That because of the bills are trying to pass where you have to have an ID to be on the internet essentially. Online safety act. Yes. And you know, it is, it is, this is something we've written a lot about out of the foundation freedom online. It is actually quite possible to do age verification without compromising anonymity, but, or privacy, but strangely none of the laws that have been passed either in the UK or in US states have mandated those technical standards, which are actually quite simple to implement. And I think one of the reasons for that is because a lot of the groups that have pushed for this in the interests of protecting children, that sort of a free text, they actually want to de-anonymize people. They want to undermine free speech and protecting children is a great sort of trojan horse they can take to the public because it convinces the public. The, the, the, the machillion argument is consistently used all like in, in all, like in so many different areas, whether it be it's something that like pro two way people hear all the time, oh, well, you know, you don't want to, you don't want to outlaw these certain types of guns that I'm afraid of because you're a bad person and why don't you think of the children or whether, whatever you're opinion on, on Israel and Gaza, one of the things that people bring up is how many children have been, been killed in Gaza, the, you know, allegedly or whatever. And the, the argument of, oh, my children, I've got a very, very thick skin now when people are saying, oh, well, the children, you know, the children have to be protected from this and the children, it's like, yeah, I really think that's just a pretext for you to get what you want and because you believe that it's going to, you know, the emotional argument of it, it's going to people are just, oh, well, yeah, you know, we got to be careful with that. Yeah. And you again, you can, you can do age ID without compromising anonymity. It's quite simple. You just pass a law saying you can go to a post office or a library, show them your ID and they give you a token that proves you're over 18 without any connection to your real face name or anything like that. None of the laws have requests to have, you know, demanded implemented anything like that yet. Yeah. Because that was always the argument they made, there's like, well, you'll show your ID to get a beer. And it's like, well, they're not like logging my ID into an online registry that's shared with the government. They're just glancing at it, maybe scanning it and then moving on. Yeah. What is the, is that the only, the only particular method that you're aware of is like going again, get some kind of token or something? There are multiple ways. I mean, if you want to like do deep research and just Google zero-knowledge proof, and though there are all sorts of other ways, you can separate the verification stage from what you actually give to a website. So it's not revealing any personal identity to them. It's actually, it's not a complicated technical problem, but for whatever reason, none of the bills that have demanded age verification have mandated these standards, which is strange considering there are independent laws that are designed to protect privacy. I think it's partly a problem off legislatures not understanding the technical nuances of the issue. And I think it's the other issue is all of these groups that are pushed for the bills. We did one on Britain recently at FFO. I just superimposed to anonymous speech in general. Yeah. That's, that doesn't surprise me. I mean, the anonymous, you know, the anonymous kind of poster was actually so instrumental in a lot of, you know, really impactful things that happened. I mean, Donald Trump wouldn't have been elected if it wasn't for like people that were anonymous posters, making memes. We were just earlier today talking about earlier tonight talking about 4chan and how they were, they've been very influential with whether they, you know, whether you call them the gay ops or whatever, like the things that 4chan has has done and brought to light, a lot of that stuff wouldn't have been possible if you didn't have a forum where their people were anonymous. Let's, let's jump to this story. Dean Withers, he is actually one of these young guys. I think he's appeared on on Jubilee. You're like quite a bit, right? Yeah. Young liberal guy accused of rape. And it's crazy because a bunch of these young liberal guys keep being accused of rape, sexual assault and harassment. I got to be honest. Guys, I know that there's a lot of people who lie, but I got to say to these liberals, you know, the walks like a duck, wax like a duck. Here's a clip. Apparently, Dean Withers is getting very angry because he's now being accused. I think of like, I don't know the story. I heard rumors that he was harassing guys. It was multiple. Yeah. It was underage, underage males, as well as abusing females, but here's his, his, his response. Proof and wrong. I do agree with you, but I'm just saying it hasn't been proven wrong. I absolutely. Okay. Okay. Okay. So something, I proved it wrong by showing that the DMs were fake. Fuck you. Listen, listen. No, no, no, no, no. Did I show? Did I show? Did I show? Shut up. Did I show that the DMs were fake? Answer the question. Yes, I am getting loud. I am getting upset. You are, you are, you are, you, you are accusing a victim of domestic violence of raping somebody after I've proven that they're completely fake. You're a victim because you're on the receiving end. Yeah, keep running from the truth. Why would you do that? Why would you say that sh*t, bro? Listen, just listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, just, just, just got to be independent. Why would you say that? Is he crying? I think so. He's like, yeah. Trying their best guys. I think I, I actually, the really fucking actually sounds like he did it. Really trying their best. Oh, these people all deserve each other. Fuck. Look, look, I'll put it like this. If he didn't do it, he deserves everything that's happening to him. God, man. Yeah, I wonder what its take was during the Kavanaugh hearing. Yeah, right. She curious. I don't know if he was lucid. He was probably too young. Yeah. Wow, dude. Epic crash out. So we got this report. Prime timer. Who is Dean Withers and what's up? the allegations against them, influencer becomes emotional on stream when addressing concerning accusations. You just put rape. It's fine. He faces unsubstantiated. We call that a subjective qualifying adjective. He faces sexual assault allegations from several men while the young political commentators publicly denied the claims and called the actions fake. Newsweek says, Dean with his reveals death threats amid false rape allegation. No. No. No. No. Liberals do not get to live in the world where the victims are the accusers always and the accused get due process, live by the sword, Dean withers, hear these words. I extend rights to those who extend rights to others and this is, this is what I've said for a long time. I used to be, live and let live. I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend the death you're right to say it. And then I realized that they were exploiting this, these progresives to beat me over the head. And at a certain point, I said, I'm going to stop it letting you do that. That's just it. You see, the issue isn't about a universal principle of free speech. It's that I say to everybody who I believe wants something better, I will let you express your values and ideas so that we can have something better because I could be wrong. And you know what? You need to be able to express yourself, unless you get pent up and it causes all sorts of instability. And so then they said, I'm a lot to say whatever I want. I said, yes, then they started doing tweedle d tweedle dumb death threats and getting away with it. Are you familiar with the tweedle d tweedle dumb death threat? No. Let me explain. In order for a threat to be a legitimate and illegal action, you need to create an imminent threat by instructing somebody or explicitly stating we are going to do this. If you said we should beat him publicly, you are creating a threat, right? However, tweedle d tweedle dumb would be one person standing up and saying all Nazis should be beaten on site. That's an opinion that creates no limit threat. Tweedle dumb then points at you and says, Nazi, neither of them have made a statement that is an imminent threat, but together as independent statements, they have instructed people to start beating you. So I said, OK, no more free speech for the people who are using this to destroy free speech itself. Dean Weathers, same deal. Y'all on the left and the progressive say victims are always right. You have been credibly accused and you don't get to cry like a little bitch because you are reaping what you sow. That's it. I extend to you the courtesy you have asked for. It's called the golden rule. You shall be treated as you have requested to be treated. So you've been accused credibly of rape. Cry about it. I mean, look, the one second thing, seconded, oh yeah, well, yeah, I mean, look, you're preaching to the choir. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I'm not familiar with the, with the, you know, the, the issue here that he's talking about, but look, he's definitely not the dude that's going to go and say, oh, you know, we should, we should let, let all the facts come out and we should wait until, you know, we get more information, blah, blah, particularly if it's a political, his political opponent or something that's politically disaligned with him. So yeah, like, I mean, let them reap what they sow. I don't have any problem with that. It's the classic, uh, what's the bit, you know, me voting for the, uh, Cougars eat my face off party. Oh my gosh, I can't believe the Cougars eating my face off. It's like, that's literally, dude, you like encourage this culture. So even if, let's just, let's pretend he's, let's still, man, let's pretend these are all completely unfounded. I mean, it's the most obvious point in the world. It's like, bro, this is like your thing. Yeah. You created this gallum that's now attacking you. It's like, dude, well, he's 21 years old. Yeah. And like, if, if these, uh, if these allegations have any merit, he's going to have, have a lot of issues. This happens all the time in like weird, like online left circles, like this has been happening for a long time with these, uh, like, mind craft streamers and this sort of thing where they're always like taking turns getting canceled and then they'll, they'll like take turns dogpiling on each other, then make a comeback two years later, get canceled again. And like the Dean, whether it's sort of fear of leftist streamers, there's like an outgrowth of that culture. And it's all just like broadly, like sexually deviant people trying to justify their deviancy, taking turns, canceling each other for whenever they like, there's some sort of invisible line of deviancy you can't cross and then none of them know where that is. So they're all just like taking turns, like sweeping the minds and then getting canceled. And it's just, it's been going on for years now. You almost feel bad for them, but like the other ones participating in it. So it's like, dude, so be it. Yeah. I mean, like the, the idea, yeah, the idea that anyone is going to be above, above being like these kind of accusations and thinking, oh, well, you know, I'm the good guy and I've been, I've been on the right side of everything. So, you know, this will never, never happen to me. It's like, man, these kind of things happen to people all the time. And if you're not, I mean, in modern society, like if you're accused of this kind of stuff, you're kind of doomed anyways, you know, there's, there's not a lot of, of, you know, there's not a lot of grace given to people that are accused of these kind of things. Because, you know, they're terrible crimes, if it turns out to be true. I don't know, like I said, I don't know much about his particular story. I don't know what he's accused of, but yeah, like when, when, when the, when the mob comes for you, like look out, man, yeah, there's not a lot of people that are going to be, he's sitting there. No, no, you shouldn't, you know, that was one of the things that, that me too kind of taught everybody. It's like when the mob says, I think that the only people that are the only person that I can think of that kind of managed to survive it as Kavanaugh. And that, and that was because it was so ridiculous. Yeah. Well, and that was just because, I mean, in all fairness, guys, like, you know, the late Lindsey Graham, we're actually going to the mat for him. And it's like, he had the, he had the benefit of it didn't matter if like he won the Court of Public Opinion. He just had an institutional threshold to get across. So once he was in, he was in. Yeah, I just needed a certain number of senators, plus that already done it before to Thomas, right, that already run the playbook. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So like it didn't even really matter what the public thought. It was like, can you, can you whip these senators in the shape or not? Yeah. And then, hopefully the majority of them, all the, all the ones we needed, like, saw through it into your point. I mean, they had seen that before with Clarence Thomas, which was even more ridiculous. And to be honest with you, you mentioned the public, you know, what the public thinks. There's still people that are, you know, obviously they're largely on the left, but still swear up and down that Christine Blasey Ford was telling the truth. And how can we have Brett Kavanaugh on the on the Supreme Court, considering what he did? There's people that actually still make accusations and comments about, you know, Clarence Thomas. And this is, that's 35 years ago or whatever, when he was, was going through his stuff. I'm going to dig into this. I'm going to dig into this deal with his stuff. I'm trying to. You know what I think? I think I'm going to hear all sorts of weird and crazy things. And so long as it's being reported by individuals, claiming those things, I can say him. Yeah. Yeah, I heard something crazy about him just the other day. I heard that he was invited on this show, agreed, and then the last minute backed out, said he needed to reschedule and then ever did. Yeah, I heard that too. Maybe it was because he was busy raping someone. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We were trying to get live by this sort, man. There are multiple accounts. So a lot of times. Are you reading? Are you reading about it? I'm saying everything is like false, but there's who is saying it's false. Well, AI, of course. And we're not asking AI, which AI. I'm trying to search for these alleged screenshots. I think they're saying like a TikTok profile named Emily used AI-generated, stolen images to post-fabricated direct messages, claiming misconduct. There's a couple of male victims, one female victim. Why would they fake it? I don't know, man. That makes-- it's like the weirdest thing to be like, we're gonna accuse a lesser known-- So the lesser known 20-year-old liberal-- Yeah, it's not really-- This video, I've ever made. A Trump supporter stole the identity of an innocent 13-year-old girl to falsely accuse me of rape with supporting evidence of poorly botched fake deems in an attempt to illegitimately de-platform me. In response, the 13-year-old whose identity was stolen made a video calling out the false accuser and anybody peddling these lies using her photos, stating that she's been getting harassed and bombarded with messages, an innocent 13-year-old girl. As we speak, not all, but millions of Republicans across the internet have continued to knowingly peddle this false allegation and could what only be described as an attempt to get me killed or to get me to myself, leading to the police calling me and forming me of a bomb threat and the continued visceral harassment of the innocent-- I don't know who that is. He's saying Trump supporters did this to him? Yeah, he's-- It's kind of wild. You know what I mean? Like it's the-- Listen, if you're accused of rape and your whole audience is coming at you now because it's a-- Listen, liberals believe all women. If a woman accuses a guy of rape, liberals are like, we're gonna believe them and sorry, you're a person in on grotto. The only move the dude has to make is say, actually, to all liberals who are now mad at me, it was Trump who did it. That's the only-- that's the only card he has to play, and I gotta admit, it's really weird in my opinion to be like, actually, it was a Trump-- supporter. That means it's fake! Her identity stolen. Let's unpack this. First and foremost, this TikTok account under the name of Emily accused me of rape. They posted this fake DM to prove their allegation. The account posted two screenshots of the same faked DMs. For the purpose being that in the second screenshot, they're scrolled further down the page to also include my response. We know that they're fake because in the first screenshot above their message, there is an included date and time. In the second screenshot above that same message, there is not an included date and time. The only? So why does that mean it's fake? I don't know, honest question. Why does that mean it's fake? What do we know? I mean, maybe it is, I don't know. The explanation for this inconsistency is that the screenshots are fake. It's not. There was one post about a Twitter DM conversation. Someone claimed it was fake because it had like a follow button or whatever like he just showed and then I checked mine and I'm like it looks the same so I don't know. But also claimed to be a young girl posting many photos such as these to make their allegations seem more believable. This girl is not accusing me of rape. She had her identity stolen by this account. She made a video to clear this up. So tonight I was looking through my TikTok comments and I find some comments saying that someone's impersonating me and using my photos to accuse someone with a sexual assault. This was the picture someone put in my TikTok comments and this was the picture I posted on Instagram. Same here. This was posted in July and now I find this four days ago on TikTok. On this body you can see there's a little scribble at the top of the screen. This is because as you can see she nanigans. I'm calling she nanigans. You can AI generate a photo of a woman. No one needs to rip a picture of some girl. This this this seems like a two detail explanation of exactly what happened to make it fake. His story is like what too much what if this girl actually did it because it got a retention. I'm just going to say this any guy who was trying to smear Dean withers. I don't know who they would because what mega guy who's in his 40s would do this. But you can go on any any AI and make an image of a girl doing a selfie that looks good enough. And then what you do is you take a picture of it with your phone on the screen. So it degrades it a little bit or you screenshot it and run it through like you just you you you put it up online. You degrade it. You drop the resolution. Whatever you can make it look grainy and real. Why steal a photo from some other girls TikTok additionally. How are they screenshotting? I'm I'm going to say this. Let's go back. So you can see how she posts this. Honestly you guys correct me if I'm wrong. Can you actually get the raw image from a TikTok? I have no idea. I have. Because you notice that if you're going to screenshot it. It's going to have the search bar and it's going to have the icons on the side. So that's why I'm like how is how did they do that? Where's the how did they get the raw? Where's that? I mean I don't think you can like pull up TikTok and chrome and just get the video. I'm not sure though. Don't you? And they said that she posted this photo. The photo looks almost the exact same. I'm wondering how the person got the raw of these images. I mean maybe it's fake. I don't know. I just you know. It's a program that you can use to download YouTube videos maybe. Probably for TikTok. Yeah. Videos or Instagram images. Doesn't it seem weird though that you could just AI generate a picture of a woman to like go to a random girl's TikTok and take her posts. Yeah. I wouldn't you AI generate the post like take it. Why would you AI generate 10 pictures of a girl. Her face is blurred anyway. Yeah. I still don't quite follow where she comes into the whole. The argument is that someone ripped her photos made a fake profile and said this is me and Dean withers. And she was posting it in her story then that would mean that the person that did it follows her. So then she would be able to probably deduct to it was quite quickly. Another real or you know another potential explanation is she indeed accused them felt bad about it. I got some heat and then walked back and her explanation was I got to be honest. I think that sounds more likely. I agree. Yeah. I guess also like isn't like the the account he's claiming is not real. It has a thousand followers, doesn't it? It would be one thing if it was pictures. She had a public Instagram and those photos from like her Instagram photos, but stories. Those are up for 24 hours. So someone that follows her and a snap judgment decided to like compile a photos from her story. That makes no sense. Hold on. Is he saying? Hold on. I'm a visceral harassment of the innocent little girl who had her identity stolen. Let's unpack this. Okay. Hold on. This account has a thousand followers, two thousand three hundred of likes and it has several videos with near a hundred thousand views. So this is a weird story that I'm I'm just saying. This doesn't add up. If somebody was going to make a fake profile to steal some girls videos and then accuse them of rape, wouldn't it be like a new profile? Is he saying that someone said the long game ripped this girl's identity, made an account, used it for a long time, got a bunch of views, then when the time was right, falsely accused them. She would be able to figure it out right away because if it's from her story and it was screen shoted on Instagram, it tells you who's screen shoted your your story. What about TikTok? I can't. Well no, but so when she was showing like here's the photos they stole, it was photos from her story. So she would be able to go in her archive, look at it. I doubt there was more than one person screen shotting her story. She's no one. She would be able to figure it out right away. So if she knew it, why she built the expose right away? She was viewing your story. But again, not just that, but it tells you who's screen shots. Is Dean Withers, the victim of this conspiracy, where someone created a TikTok account a year ago, built up a small number of followers and likes, got a couple videos over 100,000 and then once the profile looked real, like that this does not make sense. Or a previous theory, which was like again, two possibilities. One, she felt bad or got some heat, walked it back, or he reached out to her privately and so these things go away. No, no, no, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. These posts are about Dean, which means the account could have been brand new and it only got this. I don't doubt that. I think like where this all gets really unrealistic is again, she would be able to figure out right away who's screen shoted her story to get those photos. So that means that she produced the photos to someone or did the account herself. And then the question is, why did she walk it back? Yeah, okay, okay. I was totally wrong. I was totally wrong. The account's brand new. It only has videos accusing Dean, nothing else. Yeah, that's the part that I think that that passes the sniff test. Yeah, the question is, okay, does she has a she has a stalker? If that's the case, she has a whole another problem on her hands or what's more likely again, she would be able to be able to figure out who did it or she did it herself. Either way, she's like withholding some information. I didn't know you could screen shot and see who's screen shoted the thing. Yeah, right. If you upload a story right now and then make it go on a different account screen shot, it'll tell you the screen shot. Really? Yeah. So I mean, I don't know how they would get the raw photo either. No, but I think I'll I'm right. There's a lot of services for downloading videos. You know, so I just think it's very weird that somebody would falsely accuse random, you know, middling commentator Dean Ritheres, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, and why he's saying it's a Trump supporter. Like, you can't prove that. Yeah, I mean, that's oh, no, who did? Well, that's that's just him trying to capitalize on it, right? Like he's he's assuming that it's Trump supporter or he's saying it's Trump supporters. So that way, he can, you know, mobilize the people that enjoy his content and he can actually make this into something that's, yeah, that that benefits him. The aesthetics of that TikTok account. I don't think a single Republican appointed or that could possibly replicate that's that's 100% a left wing person that you know, I think it is like I'd be more I'd be more willing to bet that it's like a young girl that had a fling within that he like one night's to stand it or whatever. Yeah, she's wanted attention. Now she's walking it back or got like threatened or he yeah, he actually raped her and then she made a profile on TikTok said this is what he did to me and then when she started getting serious threats because he's got a lot of followers, she was like, no, it's not realized where. Maybe. Yeah, what a weird world. We're going to go to your rumble rants and super chats. So smash that like button share the show with everyone in your life, including mom. Demo says when you introduced, when you introduced yourself in Jubilee video, I seriously thought you were going to say, I'm Tim Poole and I'm surrounded by 20 retards. I shut up. I've been good. She's burger says green shirt David Jew from making all those faces for Jubilee clip farming is a homosexual mentally challenged bundle of sticks. Crowder was very funny. He was like, you're nice. And then he went on to list all of the names. He would have called the people. I'm not going to say because he's correct. I am nice. You know, these people. General 45 cases guys, the victory condition in Iran is how much we can weaken China and other bricks nations. Did you hear the alliance is having major energy issues? Indeed. Trump's argument of like, Oh, we're going to have peace just does not make sense. What makes sense is that we're cutting off bricks, largely China. Mitch. Mitch has as Alex was always the FBI plant. They gave him the truth. This view. So the truth would be discredited before it finally comes out. Now he's served his purpose and they no longer give him stories. I don't believe that for a second. Yeah. I mean, the problem is that everyone believed he was correct and he was correct. So the FBI just blew up their whole operation. No. Let's see. Fun griffs has two questions. How do today's viewership numbers compare to pre-COVID? Pre-COVID views are way higher. you know, at 2018 and '19, it was nuts. In 2018, I was getting between 300,000 and 500,000 views on every video. It was insane. In 2019, I was doing like 120 million views per month, just totally bonkers. Could it be the numbers have been inflated for a long time to make people think others were engaged or were just finding out? I don't know. All I can say is look at everyone's numbers and views are down. The weird thing is my morning show of views aren't. It's not only me, I don't know. Maybe we were the only real show. Actually, I'll say this crowders' views aren't down either. So like, IRL views are lower than they were a year ago. But for the cycle, they're fairly normal. I think like we peak today in concurrent viewership around, I think we're gonna end up with somewhere like 27,000, 28,000, which for off-cycle politics is exactly where we were four years ago. So I'm kinda like me, whatever. We sell our ads, we do our thing. And then when the election starts, we're gonna get a big bump in views. The primary is gonna get a big bump in views. And then the presidential election is like the Olympics for us. Crowders' views are still way up. He's doing really, really well. But everyone's views are down. With all the respect to Joe Rogan, he's got a couple of bangers, but go look. He's got like one episode with like 300K, 400K. Joe used to crank out like a million per episode, clean every episode. So I think, you know, I say this with respect. When Joe's views are down on YouTube, it's everybody. It's everybody. Jay Dev says, back to the Jubilee Transman Shapiro reference. Isn't it ironic a transgender, what does it say, bastardized the chairs? Is that what it says? I don't know, we have a intended design as if they struggle to understand the creator's design. The issue is that when the Transman spins the chair around and straddles it, it's an affectation. The issue that I have with trans men particularly, 'cause I can't speak for trans women, 'cause I'm not a woman, I can't speak for women, why they're offended by trans women, but trans men perform caricatures of what it means to be a man. I understand that women say the same thing about trans women, like when Dylan Mulvaney was wearing high boots, like lifts, running through the forest, going, "Holy, hey!" And then he went, "Oh my god!" And like acting like women are retarded. Women get offended by that being like, "You're wearing my gender like a costume." That's what I see trans men doing. Like when Elliot Page takes her shirt off and then she's got what clearly looks to be ab implants. It's like, bro, I exercise all the time, okay? I skate, I'm fit, I got my legs are massive, my arms, they could do better. I don't have abs, I got a belly, you know what I mean? Like, I don't get implants. Take my shirt and go, "Look at me, I'm just a guy." You know what I mean? There's a lot of dudes, they walk around with their big old bellies hanging out and they're just like whatever. It's this weird thing where it's like to be a man, you get implants, some guys do, some guys do. But it's an affectation. - You don't need to go to the extreme of getting implants, you just got to put the soda pop down. - John Waters says, "My colts always," where Gurgitate's fake left is talking points in snake ear marks, in our ear marks, while co-hosting the poker news podcast, he's an unprofessional jerk who is not even that good at poker. Well, look, I brought it up because I'm gonna say this, you can't do it. I had a conversation with some of the people who are working these events and of course, like people got to understand, poker news, let's just forget poker, right? 'Cause I know a lot of people are like, I don't get, let's just say news outlet. They cover, let's say it's podcasting, they cover these events and one of their staff for countries who are, I don't know what his capacity is, he's a host of their show, responds to their posts saying we should beat this person. Okay, that's a straight up criminal threat as far as I'm concerned. Now it's interesting because he didn't say, Tim Poole, I'm going to beat the crap out of you or, but he literally created an imminent threat saying, to other staff, we should commit this crime. This company is at every casino for every major poker event. Now, what do we do? It's an honest question like, what do we do? My security team is gonna be like, we're gonna go ahead and make an assumption that he was telling other staffers to physically beat you this time, this one time, we're gonna assume it's not correct. Despite all the threats you've gotten, despite the security issues, despite Charlie Kirk's assassination, this one time, nope, they don't. So what's gonna happen now is I gotta pay my security over time to, when I go to these events, 'cause there's more coming up and I plan a lot of them, make contact and be like, these people can't be here. Because they have threatened physical violence. So what do we do? And they're media. And they were very nice to me. The poker news guys, they're a profile, like they interviewed me. They were very nice, very professional, no politics. But then they have this one guy, and now we're like, we don't know who's who. We don't know what staffer is gonna be like. Mike's right, let's beat the crap out of Tim Pullman and hit him if I see him. And you know what, I'm gonna be honest with you. Anybody who's ever been in a big poker, I'm a special like MGM, you've seen the cops bust in. So a couple of months ago, a fight broke out at a table 'cause people lose their money, you don't get them. Like it, and cops run in full speed. They got special police working there, and they dragged the guy out. Now I'm supposed to go to a tournament where this guy's telling other staffers to physically attack me. And I'm like, why are you doing this? Like, I don't wanna spend money on this, but now we have to. And now I gotta, now I gotta talk to the company and I gotta be like, guys, this is really effing annoying for me. I'm gonna tell you why. This is the Potomac Summer Open $3,000 made event. I took 34th place for $5,754. So all these little winging losers, I'm gonna rip you a new one right now because it feels good to do. Here's poker news. Again, they were very nice to me. I thought they were very nice. And they did this like, I don't know, there you go. Political Pondit Tim Poole says he made over $100,000 hour playing low stakes poker. That's true. It's true, you can all cry. So I just wanna let you guys know that $100 an hour is considered extremely high grade professional in the poker world. It's very difficult to do. I'm actually flabbergasted that is the general belief. And I'm just gonna say this to all of the winging haters and losers who are like, it's impossible that Tim Poole made $100 an hour playing low stakes poker. You suck at poker. I'm good at poker, you're bad. That's why you're crying. Dude, I'm just gonna say this. Like, when I tell people poker's not gambling, it's literally not, okay? And I'll just ask like, what's your limping range on the small blind? And people aren't gonna know this math. You're not playing this game. These people, poker exists as a game because stupid people think they're good at poker. I say that with all due respect, 'cause a lot of people are just having fun. But yo, I'm gonna put it like this. If you can't sit down at a low stakes table on a Friday night when you got a bunch of people showing up from a show who are drunk or just having fun, and don't care, and you buy in for $400. If you can't get a 25% increase in your chips in an hour, you are bad at poker and you need to study. So I'm just flabbergasted by these people who are like, that's not possible. You can't do that. It's like, okay, I guess well, I guess I'm good at poker. So, but long story short of it is, there's a lot of threats coming in because of this most notably from the guy who works for poker news. I take it all very seriously. I'm gonna be at some of the big major events. I do decently well. I've won probably like 16 tournaments. I'm sorry, I haven't won. I've cashed maybe about 16 tournaments in the past four or five months. I've won one tournament for about $1,800. It was $100 buying I think. Small pool of players. But you know, it's not about poker. You guys know I play though. It's about I am done with these whack-aloon lefties doing this. I'm gonna put it like this, okay? I'm gonna put it like this. Guys, I go to MGM, I go to Hollywood, I go to Maryland Live, I'm in Vegas. This is not politics, okay? We're hanging out, we're talking, and we're playing a game of resource management, wit, and what is a big component of it? I love it. I'm not here to debate you on the merits of Trump's foreign policy. You wanna, what they're trying to do, when this guy posts that I should be physically beaten, he's trying to make sure that the preeminent news organization for this sport doesn't cover what I'm doing, and they have no choice. I show up to this event, I'm the biggest personality there. It's not a brag, I've got 12 million followers, and I'm at a poker event. What are they supposed to do? Ignore the fact that I'm there, they can't. So this guy is basically threatening me with violence, I'm trying to get him to stop. This is what left us do to try and control cultural spaces. So I say, no, we don't allow that. So we're gonna play that game. But I'll give you a quick point on what you got to understand about the skill of poker. Here's a secret. You need to know if somebody studies when you're playing in a poker tournament especially. So you know what you do? When you sit down for the first time at the table with the guys, you say something like, so is everybody from here? And then guess what? One guy's gonna go, nah, nah, I'm from Boston. And you go, oh, wow, you hear for work or something? No, no, I'm here for the tournament. Okay, that guy's playing serious. He's probably gonna be more studied. These are the things you have to understand about sizing up your opponents and knowing how to play the game. It's a lot of fun. Let's just, 'cause I'm ranting and talking about something most people don't care about. We'll just grab one more chat from you guys. We'll grab a super chat and see what you guys have. Let's see. Tussan Lorms says, have you mentioned the deer-born thing? yet. This might actually be the first solution in a decade. May God bless the bikers and in a deer born in their holy crusade. Guide their hands. Interesting. We're going to talk about that in the uncensored portion of the show at Rumble.com/TimKast or else a smash the like button. Share the show with everyone. You know, you can follow me on X and Instagram @TimKast. Alam, you want to shout anything out? Sure. We've got a bunch of great research coming out at the foundation for Freedom Online. Go check that out at our website. I also have a new article at the American Conservative out today about how Anthropic became the black sheep of the AI industry. There's a battle going on right now about, you know, who controls AI, do regulated control it, or will be more open. It's interesting. It'll be a bigger debate in the years to come, I think. And feel free to follow me online on x.com @AlamBacari. Awesome. Alam, thank you very much. I'll be checking that out. Sounds nice. Follow me on X and Instagram @RealTapeBrown and come hang out Monday through Thursday. The TimKast daily news live show. It's going to be awesome. We're always live on Rumble at noon. Phil. I am. Phil, the remains on Twix. You can check out my Patreon. It's patreon.com/Phil, the remains. You can check out the band, all the remains on Apple music, Amazon music, Pandora, YouTube Spotify, and D's there. Don't forget the left lane is for crime. Carter. I'm Carter Banks. You can follow me at Carter Banks on X at Carter Banks official on Instagram and check out our record label at Trash House Records on YouTube. Alam, thanks for coming. Like, can't wait to get into the after show. Let's talk more about stuff. We'll see you all at Rumble.com/TimKast. IRL right now. Thanks for hanging out. [BLANK_AUDIO]