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Just even though there are outright bans here versus just tariffs, dislikely won't hit the Canadian economy as hard as the tariffs earlier in September. What do you think the intended effect is here? And does Canada have any reason to come to the table? I mean, they still have a financial reason to want to come to the table, but they have a pride and sovereignty reason not to, and they're going with that. And I respected the whole world, except for us seems to be in big time respect, Mark Carney, and what he's doing mode. And what I thought was really interesting, and I hadn't seen this before, is that now the Canadian government is giving grants to Canadian businesses to help them find new partners so that they can work around having to be dependent on us. So, for instance, there's this company excelevant, makes temperature sensors used to produce computer chips. Obviously, Canada and the United States had invested interest in not having to rely on Asia for these things, and the product goes back and forth between the US and Canada, and much like cars, and the Canadian government gave them a million dollars. And they said, you know, we have to adapt to these new circumstances. And I don't think that they would be making this kind of investment. So they're taking a financial hit, and then they're spending more so that they don't have to be dependent on us or continue this relationship. And obviously, you know, this is future proofing for at least the next two years of the Trump administration. But I think that this is, you know, they're making their long term plans, because they're not going to waste their time on all of these new financial relationships, these new diplomatic relationships, these new defense and military relationships, unless they think that the long term horizon is a world in which we are a partner by a much degraded one. And I don't know that, seeing the Canadian government giving out money to help their businesses not have to work with us, it hit really hard. Yeah. It definitely feels as if the ban is, I would argue the ban is performative, not economic, single digit billions in a trading relationship that depend on how you account for it. It's somewhere between half a trillion and three quarters of a trillion. It's kind of like, it's a restraining order on a neighbor who, you know, keeps bringing you casseroles. It just feels very performative and not going to have a big impact. You know, for example, motorcycles, they're basically Canada exported about 5,000 motorcycles in total last year. So we're banning a product category that is sort of the, you know, the parking lot of a mall of America. It's just not, it's very symbolic. As is usually the case with tariffs, the real damage is to us. The US share of new vehicle sales in Canada has fallen from get this about 40% to 28% from nearly 50% a decade ago. Canada buys more from US automakers than the next 10 markets combined. That's our biggest markets for our key industry or a key industry auto. We're not punishing Canada. We're firing our best customer. It just makes no sense. So manufacturing, just the larger scorecard, manufacturing is down about 75,000 jobs since January of 2025, including roughly 26,000 jobs lost in autos. And car prices are up $6,000. So this is tariffs, folks. Fewer jobs, higher prices. The administration claimed that they were going to bring factories home. Instead, they brought higher price tags home. And I don't see why Canada would come to the table. I go back to the Lincoln Code. If you can't lose the war with public support, you can't win it without it. We're going to lose this war because the US is mostly indifferent or against the tariffs. That's not a winning strategy. And Canada has incredible resolve and about 75 or 80% support of their leader versus 30% on our side. So obviously, whatever goes on in the economy has a literal component. How much money is in your wallet? How much money is in your 401k? What's the increase in the price of school supplies, your gas, your groceries? But it very much also has a feelings component. And I think that all of the headlines and all of the coverage of yet another trade war, another set of tariffs, has a psychological impact on Americans. That this administration was not prepared for and certainly doesn't want to head into the midterms with. And I saw that the Michigan consumer index just clocked that now Americans feel worse about the economy and then they did during the 2008 financial crisis and the COVID-19 pandemic. And we know that the economy is not technically worse at this moment than it was when the whole world was shut down because of the virus. So you have to think about the psychological impact of all of this on people here and that they're asking questions like why? Why would we be doing this? And then they're being met with a political class that we're going to talk about it later, but is making AI slot videos that are Marie Antoinette style. And Donald Trump is saying things like we're leading the world in poverty and refusing to even utter, I feel your pain, even to the remotest degree. So I think that they are in for a very cold bath on election day if they cannot figure out a way to talk about the actions that they've taken, what the intent was where it maybe has gone wrong and what they're going to do to fix it. Meanwhile, Trump hosted a dinner with Anthropic CEO Dario Amade on Sunday night. This comes after Amade missed the state dinner with President Sheila's Thursday and follows the news late last week that an appeals court ruled that the Trump administration could blacklist Anthropic from all Pentagon contracts due to a national security risk. Trump is also expected to make an announcement from the Oval Office today about a new steel plan being built in Iowa. Okay, great. The economy continues to be a major campaign issue and Americans are worried about AI. Some notable Republicans, including Dan Skovino, Jr. are posting AI videos like this one. Let's roll the clip. (upbeat music) Josh? So I'm not saying that you can't have any fun and I'm sure that a state dinner is fun and I know some folks who went and they indeed said that it was fun, not as good as the King of England's. I don't know if that was intentional or what. But you cannot imagine a more out of touch tone deaf thing to do. As you see that married up with the fact that people think that they're worse off than they were during the financial crisis or the COVID-19 pandemic. And that's also not what you want from your AIDS. Right? I understand that Larry Trump and Eric Trump were pictured in it. But Dan Skovino, he's a very high and flat essentially. Right? Like this is a guy who works for the principal. You should not be the storyline. That's like Rule 101 of PR or, you know, how you want to run a corporation. Right? Everything has to be making the principal look good. And I imagine as someone who is obsessed with optics, that Trump would even know that about that video, which is getting a lot more play than any of the things that they actually wanted to be part of the readout. I mean, they did, it was all ceremonial in terms of what they got with the Chinese. But they're at least trying to, you know, put lipstick on the proverbial peg. And now that we have the family and Dan Skovino riding around in the Bellhop cart. And that's what everyone is talking about.
out from the state dinner. - I think this is a real missed out politically. Americans are really wary of AI right now. We can argue about whether it's populism, whether it's catastrophizing or how poorly the brand has been managed by the CEOs or if they're justified and there's real insight into their concern. Regardless just politically, they're wary of AI and posting AI Slop while voters fear AI is taking their jobs or gonna cause a mass extinction event. It's like a fire marshal juggling torches at a fire safety conference. It's just what are you doing? Every party or the Republican party, and they've done a good job of this, they've become the party of the forgotten worker. They stole that from the dams. And so cheerleading the technology that people worry, threaten those workers jobs is just, I think it's politically, I don't know, stupid. That's the word, thoughts? - Yeah, it's obviously politically stupid and everyone is desperate for some sort of middle ground approach where you don't say I'm calling for a total and utter shutdown of everything related to AI, but where you can at least understand why people don't want a data center popping up next to them and why they're afraid that if they can stay employed, there's no way that their kids are going to be able to do well, whether you're a blue collar worker, up to white collar workers, you know, that the folks who think that there will be no need for first through third year lawyers because you can just put it all into an LLM and essentially get what you would have to pay for, you know, 12 hours of work at Kirkland or something like that, you know, which is gonna have a real impact on the industry. What do you think went on at the dinner with Trump and Dario? And why do you think he didn't come to the state dinner when all of the other AI leaders did? - I don't know if it was a scheduling conflict, so the dinner itself-- - So you kind of changed your schedule if you're, if you're invited to the state dinner? - I wonder if they were worried about optics or, this bottom line is I don't know. This dinner with Dario or meeting with Trump and the Pentagon blacklist, it's this pattern of courtship and coercion. It's, I like you, but you have to marry. It's just, it's distasteful and hypocritical. Blacklist the company on Thursday and then hosted CEO for dinner on Sunday. It feels like this isn't policy, it's a protection racket with a wine pairing, right? It's, I like you, but brother, you better give me my vigor and do what I want. It is, not only, it's not just socialism, it's cacostocracy, it's an autocracy, it's Trump again getting involved and things he doesn't know about and then claiming that he wants to let our thoroughbreds run. In some, it feels like we're turning into the tribute economy that the most powerful players can get more powerful by giving tribute or, again, be banished because of the political whims and influence, which is absolutely totally contrary to every notion of capitalism where you're supposed to set rules for everybody and then let them cook, so to speak. And every CEO now knows the price of doing business is showing up at the table and so skipping the she dinner and then intending this one is the new enterprise, kind of the new diplomacy. It's just, wait, it's like your enterprise value is now a function of your RSVP. So I find this all so contrary to the capitalism they claim they're embracing. If socialism, the definition of socialism is the state controlling the means of production, right? The UK administration decides they understand the automobile industry than anyone else and have massive subsidies for DeLorean and end up with warehouses full of unsold DeLorean's. Companies pick national champions and support them above the smaller competitors and you end up with Air France. So the socialism here is just or the government intervention in the private sector on a business level asking for a big at the same time not putting in place regulation or guardrail such that these guys even know what are the rules they're playing under. I have never seen two people such a Sam Altman and Daria Amade who are more over their skis. And some of it's not their fault. They've been said here is a snowboard and here's Everest and they shove them off. And these guys, I don't wanna say I feel sorry for them, but I empathize with the fact that they have their series, ABCDEF and G investors who have put tens of billions into the company who are probably already counting their 5, 10, 50X returns to save their venture capital fund to buy the house that you want if you're an employee who's just had your first kid to be the hero economically which every incentive in America is pushing these guys towards. And then at the same time, they have employees saying there might be an extinction event. So they try and show some concern and put in some guardrails recognizing this could be potentially very bad. And then they have a president saying, I'm gonna be vague on what the rules are, aren't, but you better keep going. And if Moderna put out, again, a vaccine and one of their biologists or epidemiologists came out and said, this could kill everybody. And then the CEO came out and said, well, he may have a point. It's unlikely you'd have a president or maybe you might, in this case, or I've case I know Moderna keeps shipping your stock price is more important to the economy than any concerns you might have. These guys are out, they are in so far over their head as would any, I mean, their youth and a lack of regulation and the powers and existential risks of this technology have really come to fruition in a very bad way. And this will be a case study. I believe in public policy courses for the next several decades. And I love how regulation is actually key to enduring economic growth. The IPOs have been put off, not because these companies aren't great companies, but because the CEOs have been able to, if you will, let these things run unfettered and it's created massive risk and concern. We used to be worried about data centers. Now we're worried about a mass extinction event. It's gone from, this technology will take our job to this technology might kill us. - So this is an example of an administration that really has no feel in my view for the difference between over-regulating, which does happen and under-regulating, which creates chaos and insecurity in industry and is now delayed their IPOs. - Yeah, well, I'm sure that they weren't particularly thrilled to see Trump's remarks about AI at UNGA last week where he said that he totally rejects any notion of a global framework to regulate AI. And we know that China has managed to be pretty successful with putting in some guardrails or safeguards however you want to say it. But I saw and I thought that it really encapsulated the absurdity of this administration that there were two memos circulating within the White House about Dario. One was that he favors Democrats and has ties to them. So and has been critical of the president in the past. I mean, look at your own vice president. If you have a problem with people who've been critical but you know that they're sitting around getting all hot and bothered and exercised about that. Like, you know, how we're supposed to work with somebody who once said that, you know, Donald Trump was an asshole. Like, new slash, that's most of his base also thinks that he's an asshole. And then the second memo is about anthropic and the effective altruism movement. And because these companies and what Sam Altman is talking about and because Amadeh, you know, thinks that there's some reason that we should be concerned about protecting humanity and all of this that he's someone that you can have a productive conversation with. So the best next step is to ban his company which is already wired into a lot of our Pentagon systems anyway. So I don't really understand how this ban works. I mean, I know that the ultimate goal is to make sure that the US government runs on GROC. So everything's going to be okay. Don't worry about that when their hallucinations are white supremacists. But like, you know that this is the kind of stuff that Dan Skavino or Stephen Chung is trafficking and, you know, saying like, this guy was mean about our dear leader. And we don't even want to signal to the public that we care about the protecting humanity aspect of this, which regular voters are clamoring for. They just want to hear that you have heard them. It's politics 101, right? Like everybody's showing up at town halls and it's a top three topic for them. It's just talk about the threat of AI and what's going on in their lives. And when Republicans actually do man up and do these town halls, they're hearing it too. And so they're on the ground. The individual candidates are trying to rewrite history like Ken Paxton and Mike Rogers on data centers and on AI. But all Trump and muster is the huge accomplishment that now they'll call it super intelligence instead of artificial intelligence. You know, another meaningless renaming that will be undone, you know, within 10 minutes or frankly that they're the only ones that will use it. I saw this on the Sunday shows. I think it was Mike Walts, you know, corrected the interviewer to be like, oh, it's super intelligence. Like, are you kidding me? And I like Mike. But like, this is what you're being reduced to have to push back on some, oh, no, sorry, it's the goal of America.
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[email protected] that's spelled GRUNS.CO. Yeah, I want to talk for a moment just about this Iowa steel plan, which I'm fascinated by, and that is I think we have to negative effect. Absolutely gendered politics, and that is Trump. And this was an effective strategy said we have feminized politics. I'm going to come in with so much testosterone in this weird, performative version of macho. And that I think that's what America wants. And the best thing you can do is an industry if you want ridiculous subsidies or irrational decisions is to literally grow as much chest hair as possible. And be as Hulk Hogan. Be as just like this crazy, weird, rambo-like masculinity is the kind of smartest thing you can do because think about windmills. They feel feminine. So we don't like them. Or the Trump administration doesn't like them. And it takes capital away from them despite the fact that fossil fuels have gotten over a trillion dollars in their own subsidies, despite the fact that in Texas, which is not by any means in any way, Hulk has decided that during the day, 60% of their electricity comes from wind. Why? Because it makes economic sense. And maybe in the future, how do we not? I had Tim Snyder on the Proffci pod, who is just a role model of mine. I'm talking him later today. I love Tim Snyder. Yeah. And he made such an obvious but insightful point. And that is if 30 or 40 years ago, we had decided to take all the money we spent on foreign wars and move it towards energy transition to renewables. We might not have these wars. We might not be in the state of chaos because many of the countries that get revenue from $100 a barrel oil have not necessarily been good actors. And we might not need to have the need to intervene constantly in hot spots around energy. That if we had taken a fraction of the money we spent on wars and used it to escalate or speed the transition to renewables, that it might have been just this wonderful upward spiral of a lack of need or justification for these for and wars. But what you have with this macho here is, you know, why did this this company, this steel mill, $15 billion for about $7,950 jobs is roughly $9 million per job. You could give every worker a lifetime salary, a house and a boat and still have change left over rather than standing rather than looking for a photo op where you're standing in front of fire sparks and hard hats. That's what this is. This is the most expensive attempt to establish village people like macho to your brand. It's a branding event that is costing American taxpayers a ridiculous amount of money. You protect these tariffs protect the steel tariffs protect about 80,000 mill jobs and tax millions of workers of automakers builders and appliance makers that need less expensive steel which foreign plants are able to provide or foreign producers. After the 2002 bush steel tariffs estimates found more jobs lost and still using industries that the entire steel sector employed what this is these steel tariffs are came are basically chemotherapy. That's harder on the patient than the underlying tumor. This is treating the disease by making the by by speedballing it and the reality is the following US steel is about 30% more expensive than Europe's and nearly double China's we did we didn't make steel grade again. We made it expensive again and this impacts every and this impacts so many industries we've again we've raised the prices of everything from automakers to home builders such that he could have a photo op and feel you know believe that we all think he's got you know he's a bigger dude if you will. There's 4 million tons of new capacity coming demand is flat and Ohio Michigan and Pennsylvania may lose jobs here we're robbing Pittsburgh to pay Des Moines I always into incidents. It's the bottom line is this is a primary map this isn't a thoughtful long term strategy for American workers or manufacturing it's a dumb photo op and a primary map production starts around 2030 for this mill. And so this is a 2026 press conference for 2030 factory paid for by you know 2028 politics and Americans over the next 10 or 12 years this steel mill will eventually be shut down after Trump is gone and we'll do the math and think okay what we're what were we thinking. We were thinking that I was in play and that Zach Lane who is the gubernatorial candidate on the republican side lives in Kansas did you see this at his straw that I love it where there's like actually where where the guy cycles or runs tells the whole story here and it is seemingly all but accepted that rob sand the Democrat who is running basically. With no party affiliation I mean his ad work is just absolutely incredible. I interviewed him on a panel and I was like be still my heart I did not know that I can be he's so talented and he has made it his mission his whole life he's voted for Republicans in the past his job is that as an auditor he's like all I care about is rooting out corruption and putting money back in your pocket. Like there is no better message for someone running for office these days exactly is particularly weak and the question then becomes our rob sands co-tails going to be enough to help Josh Turic who is also running a great campaign though it's a Ashley Henson is stronger than some of these other Republicans running in these battleground states I can't believe we're calling Iowa battleground but here we are it brings to mind like when you look at where they're campaigning and you have JD dancing can. JD dancing Kansas and you have Donald Trump going to Iowa for a photo op where people are acutely aware of how much money is in their pockets and how many farmers have gone bankrupt in Iowa and have been you know not just begging for a bailout is a proud people
They don't want that, right? They want to be able to have markets for their products and they don't want stupid trade wars that are making it impossible for them to do well. Like how much of the bleeding Trump can blunt? And I saw there was new polling out on his $5,000 pledge that everyone will get paid if they win the minterms and it had majority disapproval and only 13% believed that he would actually pay. That is not the traditional mega base, right? It's usually 25 to 30% that are like, you know, so far gone that they would go for if you shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue. I'm still gonna stick with him. We're down to 13%. So, you know, people have got his number and the question is, what can Democrats or in a lot of cases independence like Dan Osborne who's running in Nebraska as an independent can deliver on the other side because people are shopping around for better government. Are you a pet owner? 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It's the phenomenon rattling millennials. - They just look at you. - They want something bigger themselves, lifestyle's a priority, motivation is being inspired. - But regardless of how you feel about Gen Z, it's undeniable that they're changing national politics. - Generation Z is increasingly showing less loyalty to traditional political parties. Many now more likely to identify as independent. - So what is going on with the kids? - I think the biggest misconception about Gen Z's politics right now is that all of a sudden they're all socialists. That is just not the case. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They are embracing candidates who are offering new bold ideas in the absence of those ideas from establishment Democrats. - This week on America, actually, Gen Z researcher Rachel Jamfaza joins us to separate Gen Z fact versus fiction. - It's not rocket science and this is, you know, I keep saying like, young voters aren't that complicated after all, it's pretty simple. - Catch us every Saturday on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast. - Let's talk about these ads that popped up over the weekend during SNL and NFL football. They were rears of a Trump campaign ad from 2024 with the words paid for by the US government slapped on it. Let's listen to a clip. - This is the final battle. With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state. We will expel the war mongers from our government. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, marches, and fascists. We will grow off the six political class that hates our country. We will route the fake news media and we will liberate America from these villains once and for all. - It's scary stuff. - Jesus, tomorrow belongs to me. I mean, God, it feels like 30s fear of the black and white. It just feels, you know, I hate to say it. I think it might be effective. I don't think anything rallies people like fear. You disagree, please disagree with me. Tell me why this hopefully doesn't work. - Well, I think that it's more scary than it makes you think that he is going to be a positive force in your life. And it feels like we're hitting this frightening yolo phase essentially for the administration where they have just decided I'm not interested in even glancing at the rules. I'm going to do what I want and that carries over to anything that they're going to do vis-a-vis advertising and potentially around the elections. And you're hearing a lot more sane people than you did before talking about, you know, are they going to see his voting machines? How are they going to make it more difficult for you to vote? They may not be getting the rulings that they want even up to this room court based on for mail-in voting. But if you have enough people that are bad actors that are delusional and that have sworn fealty to this guy, that they are going to make an absolute mess of the 2026 election and that they are set on making sure that you can't exercise your constitutional right to vote. That's what that adds to me. And I think that, you know, it's different when it's a midterm versus an election where he's actually on the ballot. And obviously he believes that things are going to go better if people do think that it's about him. But at this moment, you know, rehashing an ad that might have been effective in 2024 and, you know, saying all the things that he said he was going to do that he didn't, people know that, right? And I'm not saying the average viewer of college game day or watching the NFL yesterday, you know, is sitting there thinking about the ethics laws when it comes to paid for the US government, which is blatantly illegal and folks like Norm Eisen and Mark Elias are ready with their lawsuits. But I think that they know that it's fucked up and that this is not supposed to be how it is and that he is trying to make them afraid. And, you know, the No Kings movement, there's going to be another protest. I'm not trying to make that into like the biggest deal in the world though, obviously getting tens of millions of people to participate in these things. But that that ad is exactly why people are marching in the streets and why they are pushing back and they are finding ways to make their voices heard. This guy wants to be a dictator. That's what he loves. That's who he aspires to and seeing that ad, you know, I'd forgotten about it 'cause it's been a couple of years and that feeling of being afraid again. I came rushing back and I imagine that a lot of Americans felt that way too. It's good to see Republicans speaking out about it. Senator John Kennedy was on doing Sunday shows, said, I don't think any public official, including President Trump or Christie Knome or John Kennedy should spend public money on private ads for themselves. And then he said, I may end up with a sombrero on my head, but I also think we ought to have a role that no politician can have a building named after him when he is alive. You have the judiciary, the calls on the judiciary committee to look into John Jr. subpoena him for the gifts from the Kremlin-backed businessman for his wedding. That came from Utah Senator John Curtis. Tom Tillis backing him up, John Kornin. They're both leaving the Senate. But you are seeing whether it's just for blunting the electoral blow that is to come as a result of this or they've just found their morals or familiarize themselves with the ethics roles. He is not cakewalking through the next few months if he's going to behave like this. In other news, as technology, again, permeates everything. Let's check in again on the tech world. Palantir co-founder Peter Till seems to be making the case for why being evil isn't all that bad. If you're evil, you're at least competent. And if you're evil, you're not bad. And therefore, maybe you're actually kind of good because you're at least getting something done. So I think it's better to be good than evil when we're very clear. The moral question, our society, is we have all these good versus evil debates and we're just, we're full of badness. It's most the time. Those things are not, they're not even evil. They're not even good. They're just merely bad. And so if you're in a world where 99% of the businesses, companies, people, political leaders, business leaders are totally incompetent. What the actual fuck just? It's South Park. I mean, they just nailed it. And it's strange to me that people sit around, I guess, thinking about things in those terms and the darkness that lives within them. And maybe if I understood technology better or worked in that space, I would have more of a doomer mentality. But the most important thing that he said, I thought during the interview, he was talking about Trump. And he said, there are a lot of things that got wrong. He was crazier than I thought. It was more dangerous than I thought. You wish they'd appointed more competent people. The administration is staffed by not very smart but very loyal people. Like obviously, how did these super smart people not get that this is exactly what was going to happen? It's just so strange that when someone who's worth billions is reasoning that evil isn't so bad, it feels like, okay, He used to be, grab your wallet with his guys. Now it's grab your wallet and you're. kids. And the brolegaric narrative went from don't be evil to maybe evil is underrated. So, to some extent, I sort of respect it. And I think Peter Till is oddly, not oddly, but frighteningly smart. And that the scariest thing about him is I wonder if he sees things more clearly sometimes and I don't like what he's seeing or that he's definitely a nihilist. There's something very odd there. And I appreciate that the brolegarics are no longer pretending. They used to pretend to want to save the world. And now they're not even pretending. And these are the guys who own the platforms. They fund candidates. Vance supposedly is very tight with Till. And it's the reason he was selected to be vice president. Something Peter Till will never hear from a president advance if Vance is elected. President is no. I mean, this is, be clear. Vance is ever in the White House. It's because of a guy who thinks that maybe evil is underrated. And their philosophy, or it isn't, it's not just a podcast curiosity here. It's sort of policy by other means. And it's very, I heard Elon speak. And it's such a weird chocolate and peanut butter or contradicting forces because he talked about the new, I think it's a new heavy Falcon rocket. And the launch capacity, he's just such an enormous big thinker. The launch capacity of his new rocket. It has the greatest thrust of anything that's ever been invented. And it can have the payload to lift the entire space station into orbit in one launch. And he wants to be launching one of these things every five minutes. I mean, it is the guy. You can't accuse him of not thinking really big. There's an element to it that it's just inspiring that I'm just going to just literally press the outer limits of what is possible. And he's shown an ability to, to kind of do that. At the same time, he talks about we have to have a base on moon and then a base on Mars because of the likelihood of a mass extinction event or Earth no longer being habitable. And we're going to need a plan B. And any reasonable economic analysis of what it would cost to put people on the moon or Mars in 10, 20, 50 years is that the absolute best case scenario is that movie Dr. Strange love. We're at the end, the generals and the powerful people are going to get to pick a small number of people to create, you know, a safe community under the ground. It's so nihilist as I was sitting next to a journalist who saw the same speech I did. And he said, I thought it was really inspiring. And I said, I agree with you, but do you think you're one of the people that gets on the rocket to the moon if shit really gets real? And again, I go back to my go to here. If only these guys spent a fraction of their brain power and capital on trying to make this place a little bit more habitable, instead of focusing on a go back to Mars, I think it would be in a better place. It's just so the word I would use for these guys is nihilist. And it's frightening because we naturally think they understand the world better than we do. And I don't think having the option to have a bunker in New Zealand or colonized Mars is good for the other 99.999 percent of us that won't be invited on the last rocket, you know, off of Earth with Elon. I find it also disturbing that the people with this kind of intelligence and insight and resources have opted have sort of almost kind of given up on what life might mean here long term. And also the evidence is that the world gets better every day over the long term. There's just no granted we face huge risk with climate change and income inequality and extremism and AI. But to think that it's gotten so bad that we need to make these staggering investments in another planet, which will make living on top of Everest feel like a picnic. Quite frankly, it's just so nihilist and weird, any closing thoughts here Jess. They're weird, but you need weird people. Yeah, I mean, you need people to be pushing the envelope like this. And no one would dispute the incredible effect of starlink or neural link or what he's done for the EV world. I think, you know, not to make it too grounded or bring it back to my wheelhouse or what I think about basically 24 hours a day. The question is going to be what are you going to do with all of these people in terms of politics? Because they want to be big players. And they're already not Elon, but like Google, meta, etc. They're already closing up to Democrats because they see writing on the wall. And they want to make sure that they're, you know, spread out wide enough that they can have impact, no matter what happens in the elections. And there is going to be a base of people very unhappy if Mark Zuckerberg is, you know, pounding around at inauguration the same way that they were for Trump or a, you know, a peter tale. Obviously his ideology is more baked in, you know, in Zuckerberg used to be a liberal. By Elon Musk is going to spend big on Republicans, but, you know, he's a creature that understands he needs to survive. So if he's going to have to be in relationships with lefties where he used to be, if only we had invited him to the EV summit. Anyway, what could have been? It's an interesting question for electeds, like how they manage these people. Not just whether we're going to go live on the moon or Mars. Just let's leave it there. 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