Trump's Putin Play, Elon's SpaceX Stock Pledge, and Netflix's Staffing Shakeup

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If you, it's obviously not Scott Jennings. It's like like talking to a lemon every day. But what would you like? I think Scott's going to get it. My bet would be there's going to be no one for a while that they're just going to get to the midterms. And I mean, do they really need a spokesperson? Trump kind of, too, is credit. He does talk a lot. So I don't, I don't, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say it's going to be someone who's blonde and very attractive and very aggressive. Your thoughts? Oh, I don't really care. It is Trump. Trump is the spokes lady for the administration. And so he'll just remain the spokes lady. I think that's it. He just can't go on. And if he loses the elections the way most people, I just hit a panel of pollsters and other experts and they're like, oh, this is going to be bad. And you know, they cook political report. As you said, called a rip tide. They called it an under-toe. Who do they call an under-toe? Oh, the Republican under-toe, rather than a dem way. Oh, yeah, I think it's, I think it's, yeah, it's a red rip tide. This is the way I would talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But supposedly, um, the, the chancellor, Pepperdine, has reached out to Katie Zachariah and Astra's a favor. She could say she graduated from San Diego state. Can you imagine? No. Can you imagine you're, you're the head of admissions for Pepperdine and you're like, oh, fuck. Fuck. For you. I mean, that has not been good for the Pepperdine in Britain. No, it has not been good for the Pepperdine in Britain. By the way, probably the second or third most beautiful campus in America. It is. Pepperdine. I used to remember what the celebrities used to do. There's celebrity battles and the sexes and stuff. That was a Pepperdine? Yeah, they did it in a beautiful Los Angeles, California, from Pepperdine, stunning. I love that one. Would they bring on the angel, like the fifth angel who wasn't as big as Zachariah Smith and Roninah? Where they'd have Robert Conrad in the 50 meter. And my favorite was Robert Conrad, and lost a Gabe Kaplan of, well, welcome back hotter in the 400 meter. Right, right. But they always had to be like carrying a bag of doughnuts or something like that, you know, I don't know. Oh, they had Linda Carter. They had all the hotties and they ate it. So what's their Morgan Fair child? Yeah, that was fun back in the day kids watching celebrities. Oh my gosh. I got to pull those videos back up later tonight. Beat them up. That was fun back in the day. I'll tell you that. David Hasselhoff, the number one recording star of Germany. Of course, they all were on there. People you've never heard of. So whoever's on threes company. Yeah, that's good. But are you an Anthony Scaremuchu? Okay, are you attending any support groups for yourself? Me and the Mooch? Why? Because of Katie? He lost his, he lost his title. Oh God. Anthony is, Anthony is like, so let's be honest. I love Anthony. We've become actually pretty good friends. Yeah. Anthony kind of likes a little bit of attention. He does. And he's getting a lot right now. Yeah, he is. And he's super thoughtful. All these, he put out the tweet that actually she's a human and I feel for her and I just want her. And he says, he says, my message to Katie, she just should spend time with her family and recognize this isn't that big a deal. And I'm medally live message. I'm like, don't be so fucking mature. You're sitting there touching yourself that you're getting all this attention from like CBS Morning News. The Mooch is like living his best life right now. He's in Hawaii actually involved. By the way, I told him and I'm sincere. Yeah, I think she ran for president, but I think she ran for Republican. He might. That he'd be good. He really mixed it up. Can you imagine him on the podium? I think he'd be a great musician. I hear DeSantis' back. Like, there's a lot more people. Had Rubio DeSantis, I don't know. Pompeo is making my decision. I think Mr. JD Vance is going to have a bit of a run on his thing, which is great. There should be 26 Democrats, which will be great. It will be really fun. Oh, it's going to be good. It's going to be good. What did you do this weekend? I'm going to tell you what I did. Oh, speaking of speaking, I love how you ask questions. You're like me. You ask a question such that you can talk about it. But I have to talk about this. I have to tell you what I did to go ahead. Okay, but first, I will answer your question. I got up and oh, well, I went late night Friday night to Arizona and I did a fireside with Senator Mark Kelly. Oh, had that come, yeah. It's great. Look, he's, he kind of wreaks of integrity and service and you know, any guy that's full on the space shuttle and combat aircraft and he, he's kind of, he's just such a great contrast to Trump, you know, service, fidelity. He's kind of, he's just very smart, very practical. Oh, so snarky. He's got a snark to him too. Not a grandstander. I got to spend some time with him and his brother in the Great Sonoran Desert or wherever we were in Tucson. Anyways, I did that. That was my thing. Yeah, good. That's really nice. You know what I did? What did you do? I put up my Halloween decorations, Scott. I don't know if you know this, but I am a mass of Halloween decorations person. And I bought four more inflatables. I did not know that I already have seven. Now I have 12 inflatables. I love them so. I am a huge Halloween person. People don't understand this about me and it is one of my greatest assets. My neighbors are like, what is happening here? And do you dress up? No, I don't like costumes. I love Halloween decorations. I like my, my kids and I went to every store and bought like even more. I've already got, I don't know about six. No, I probably have 10 cartons of Halloween decorations and I love them. Now I've gotten one for the roof. This year I got one for the roof. A big one. Okay. You don't know what to say. I love them so much. And what, and you'll do the whole house thing? I've done it. You should come and see. You'll never come to my house. I'm going to send you a picture because it's so good. But once I get the one on the roof, that's a big deal. And then I'm still thinking of a Skelly, but I don't have enough storage space to do the Skelly. But it's starting to take over my storage space. And now I'm going to do Christmas the same. I'm that person. Halloween is absolutely my favorite holiday. Yeah, it's a good, yeah, I know it is. I know it's still deciding on your outfit. I don't dress up at all. I don't like that. But I like the whole, everything else about it. So I imagine like Halloween at the swisher household is that you don't carve pumpkins. You disembowel them and then post the results on threats. Yeah, we do the whole thing. We are such a like traditional family. And the kids love it. And now I'm teaching Clara about how to deal with all my Halloween items. So I need to train someone up for the next era. And she's good. She's really good. She's like, what about this? What do you think of this? Like she's got a lot of ideas at seven. Some very pleased. And I'm passing it all on to my children. I'd ask you to go to the sexy nurse, but you're more likely to go to the nurse that gives you results on your prosthetics. I've got a million of these. I know you do. What did you pick between Larry David and whatever? Horus, I saw my Spider-Man outfit. And I was planning on working out a lot. So I'd look good in like a onesie. But I've got to hit the creatine again. And I don't know. I'm taking Larry David. I don't think Larry David. Have you done that before? No, I'm done Larry David. Oh, do Larry David. How about Walter White with a hazmat suit? I kind of look like Walter. Oh, that would be good. That's not good. That's not bad. I would have really liked to have gone as Katie's Acariah, but I made a pledge to the father of the trans girl that I would never dress up as a woman again. Yeah, you can dress in a way. You can't do it anymore. Yeah, you can do it anymore. That's off limits now. That's off limits. It's off limits. Anyway, happy Halloween everyone. I'm very excited for it. We've got a lot to get to. There's so much going besides Katie. Elon Musk says he's going to give every kid an America one share of SpaceX next year. And that quote, this will be the first of many with roughly 73 million people under the age of 18 in the US. That would amount to about $10.5 billion for the stock at current prices. He didn't explain how this is going to work. And whether these shares would be tied to Trump accounts, Elon's pledge comes on the heels of anthropic announcing it's committing 5% of its shares for a new public benefit fund. Lots of companies do this. Elon responded to anthropics news by saying, I recommend giving the shares directly to the public. I recommend them all paying more taxes and order. And like, this seems so ridiculous waste of money. Just let them decide if they want to buy SpaceX shares. What do you make of these plans? Just additional context. Elon owns about 4.8 billion SpaceX shares according to August SEC filing the number goes to 6.4 billion when you include unvested awards and stock options, I would really sort of like him just to be taxed correctly and give money as does Mackenzie Scott and let kids decide what they want to buy. That's my whole take on the whole thing. Your thoughts? I think you're right. So look, this is about just the numbers here. It's about $11 billion across 73 million kids, about 144 bucks a share. It would amount to about 1.5% of Elon's 5 billion shares, roughly 1.1% counting unvested shares. So he's kind of giving away the crumbs, not the meal, which is fine. I actually, I really like, I like Trump bonds or baby bonds. I would have done what Ackman suggested and that is give $7,000 to every baby that's born and then chantalize them and put it in an S&P or low cost index fund. And then when they're 65, assuming the market keeps performing at 9 or 10%, they have a million bucks and in 30 years you announce you're no longer going to need social security, interest rates, dive in the whole world becomes more affordable for America and similar to kind of what of Australia is done. So I like this, as it relates to individuals creating funds, my sense is exactly your point. Let them cook. Let them make as much profit as possible. They're basically deciding the moral judgments and values of their shareholders. It's like the you two thing being sent to you by Apple. I don't fucking want it. Like don't let me buy it if I want it. That's what I say. Let them buy it if they want it. Yeah, we should have right now. So for example, because SpaceX loses so much money, it's not paying any taxes. Musk will pay taxes, lower tax rate after he moved to Texas from where he built his wealth in California. What we need is let, I don't even like when CEOs pretend to have virtue because they're just signaling, I think CEOs and executives should keep their priorities and their non-profit and their politics to themselves, drive as much shareholder value as possible. And then we should have an alternative minimum tax of about 40%. On anyone making over a million dollars or any company is making over a billion dollars. And then let elected representatives elected by Americans decide how to allocate that capital. What he's trying to do, what this is is customer acquisition. He's trying to create 73 million retail shareholders that are rooting for SpaceX. And also, single share, one share, and anthropic is trying to sandberg. They're trying to say, look, we're good people and everyone's going to participate. I don't want to be on dependent, America shouldn't be dependent on the kindness of strangers. We should have a progressive tax policy. They should do what they can to make as much profits as possible in return, gains to their shareholders. And we need to tax these companies at a progressive rate, similar to what we did in the 80s and recent throughout history. But why doesn't he just give this money and pull 100,000 kids out of poverty? What about that? What about like funding all the kids with AIDS in Africa funding their medicine? This is Trump for all over it. It's such ridiculous. This is Trump calling Musk and the Dario guy and say, I like the idea of, I mean, to a certain extent it's a little bit, it's revert. It's socialism. Yeah. It really is. It's saying that the government is the means of production and you guys need to, you know, this whole notion that Trump wants to take a big by investing in Intel. This is, I bet he called them and said, do this. No, but full body contact violence that's regulated and then we tax them and then people elected get to decide what to do with this money. I mean, said that it's hard to fault them for this, but I don't think it's how you operate in a common way. I fault them for us. I say, why don't you give money away? You have a lot of money. Maybe you should give some money away to really help people today. Well, he is, isn't he? No, he doesn't give much money away at all. No, no, I mean, when you get, when you give one share to every kid, I mean, that is giving money away. Can you sell it? I don't know. If you can sell it and then you get a hundred forty bucks, why not give everyone five hundred bucks and to do, like, eat better or go to school or something like, like, why don't you be McKenzie Scott a little bit more? But I don't even know. So McKenzie Scott, who is my, you know, person of the year, there is, and I will say this, I'm a sexist. Women, women seem to have, women billionaires seem to immediately move to how can I help the world and give my money away. Male billionaires immediately go to what media platform can I buy? And how can I build a bigger boat? And that's not true of all males, but there's definitely a trend among malindigates. I mean, there's definitely a difference in the female and male billionaire brain here. There's just no doubt about it. No doubt about it. You can't eat a share of stock. That's what I say. Anyway, I'm sorry. I would like just like them. It literally reminds me of the UGZ. It's a stunt and speaking of stunts, he unveiled the new Tesla roaster and the car, I'm not going to say I can fly because it can't. It's a construction, a construction, but sort of the media really soiled itself in covering this. And an event last week, the roaster drove upside down. It didn't really drive upside down on a curved track and performed stunts, including flyer or a bunch of Teslas, which, you know, a car back in the bond days was able to do without thrusters. They used thrusters designed with SpaceX. They were inside the car. They took up all the space and the car can only do it for a few seconds. It says the car can go from zero to 60 and just 0.81 seconds again. You have to have the thrusters in your car. That means no passengers and actually no passengers at all. He loves says production on the car will begin in 2020, quote, actually for real, he didn't reveal the price. Also, if you look down into the thing, he may not even deliver it, even if he'd given the 200. So he's getting loans from people for maybe a nothing burger, which he's been promising for a long, long time, this roadster. As you predicted, Tesla stock initially jumped 5% before falling back. Shares are now up around 3% as we record. Talk about what you thought this talks about Teslas for sure. I thought this is what he has to offer, not a new inexpensive car for people that he could actually make money on and tech analysts and long time testable Jean Munster posted his two takeaways from the Tesla event. He was an engineering flex with no commercial value beyond embarrassing traditional car makers, of Elon can't wait to bring Tesla and SpaceX together, which I long predicted. Yeah, he said that for a while. Yeah, so your thoughts? This was a circus act, not a product release. I don't think this thing ever happens. He's been, I mean, let's just, let's discover history here. The roadster is the same car that was supposed to ship in 2020, six years ago. He unveiled it in 2017, delayed it in 2020, 2021, 2023 and 2024. Production is now targeted for 2028. Tesla's are $50,000 for the performance trim and $250,000 for the thrust trim. Tesla's fine print even says it. It says it cannot guarantee when your vehicle will actually be delivered or if it will be delivered. In 2017, the first thousand founder serious cars were $250,000 each. They sold out. Tesla has been sitting on $250 million of customer money for almost nine years. So you've lost in that nine years, I got to think inflation is a bit, you've lost a third or half of your money just in inflation. Also, let's just talk about the car. I mean, it was, again, this traumatic fun gimmick, but this was an empty shell with air compressors in it. And let's talk, the air compression technology that expecterates to balance the rocket as it plunges towards earth is not only amazing technology, it's amazing technology with a use. The amazing technology of these, these air compress thrusters on a car is amazing technology. It has absolutely no use. Let's talk about the practicality. You have to fill a tank to get five seconds of thrust and it takes five hours to fill the tank and you can't have anything else. This would never work with an electric car. If you have a cigarette, you're fucked, but go ahead. And you can't have an electric car there because it's just too heavy, so, you know, essentially what you have with Musk is that it's an, it's, this was an engineering flex with no commercial value. It's, it should be called a marketing expense. And you have a guy who is basically, you have something, you don't need a seat belt, you would need a G suit and a chaplain here. This thing is dangerous and makes no sense. And when a CEO has to add for real, that's the tell. The Roadster was first promised in 2017. It's recurring keynote. And I feel like this whole roadster is SpaceX that happens to have a steering wheel. And to your point, Tesla is becoming a holding company for his narratives. And the car business funds the story and the story kind of funds the stock. I, you got this early, the merger is coming. He's not building a car. He's building a bridge to SpaceX, one kind of one thruster at a time. But the merger, he's going to announce it soon. You know, I'm, the thing I'm sorry, but first of all, bread and circus is like I said, the stock thing and this bread and sir, it's all meaningless. What are you going to make a car for people? No, you're probably not. Are you going to, you know, you're doing that. Oh, B.Y. D is doing that. B.Y. D is doing it. Why don't you do that? Like, in this is what you're doing. Somebody can drive that's possibly dangerous and you can't ride on the road. It's, to me, it says everything of this is the choice he makes at this moment in time. And he thinks we're going to like go, oh, it flipped. You know, I got to tell you, Alex is here this weekend and he was unimpressed as a engineer. He's like, I mean, fine, but anyone can do that. Like, he was not, he said it was cool. He said it was cool, but it's not particular. He was trying to explain it to the holding that he did to be in. And he basically, it's just a trick. He can't do it very many times. And then the flipping over cars go to a monster truck rally. They do it all the time just so you know, or James Bond movies. They've done all manner of cool things with cars, you know, or fast and furious any day of the fucking week. And it's all, it's not all fake because the kind of stunts they do. And so I just was like, are you kidding me? And then of course all his stands were like, oh, he's so amazing. What a giant penis he has. I was like, no, he does. And it's teeny tiny. The comments are pretty funny though. You got mulled a bunch of Trump acolytes, or I'm sorry, musk acolytes, put out. And it is that dramatic photo of it that he upside down. It's really cool. And they're like, and a bunch of them said, okay, China, you're move. I was like, yeah, China's working on range. Right. Yeah. Sound car. They're putting out, they're basically putting out a Tesla for 40% of the price. And at some point, those cars are going to invade the shore. And not only is Tesla in trouble, Detroit is in real trouble. This is nothing. This is him stuffing a rabbit in the hat and saying, look over here. It's no accident. The timing here. Tesla reports Q3 results on the 21st. And a flying car, you can't buy until 2028. It's a section car. Okay. The Tesla Roadster and this demo was nothing but a distraction from the numbers coming in 40 at average. This is what he's doing. Now think about this is what he, do you know much time they probably spent on this? This is what he's spending his time on. That's all you need to know is this. And because he's a 12 year old boy. And I thought when you said stuffing a rabbit, either stuffing his pants to look like he has a big penis, which apparently he doesn't. I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe he does. I have no idea. But this is a metaphorical version of that. Okay. Let's go on a quick break. When we come back, Trump cozy's up to poop. Support for the show comes from Vanta. As AI adoption grows, so do your company's security risks and requirements, new frameworks, audits and vendors keep piling on, but your team isn't getting any bigger. Most compliance tools promise automation, but you're really stuck doing all the work by hand, chasing screenshots, validating controls, and playing catch up when the audit season comes around again. Vanta works differently. Their agenteic trust platform is built to scale with you, not slow you down. 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The decision is drawing huge backlash from both Republicans and Democrats of GOP Senator Tom Tillis calling it beyond irresponsible. And everybody did a corn in everybody. Ukrainian president Zelensky called the move a reward for Putin warning that will only encourage him to continue attacks. And all this comes just a week after Trump struck a deal with Putin to get Russian diesel as the headline in the Atlantic puttic America is now an ally of Russia. Putin is also reportedly floating a summit with Trump and president Xi Jinping to discuss the Ukraine deals. Zelensky is not included. It seems insane. Who do they think they are? Honestly. So your thoughts on what is happening here? It's a high bar between tariffs, you know, ice, the corruption, the monetization of the White House, incredibly poor decision making and execution around the war in Iran. But I do think that long term the worst decision or the most damaging decision of this administration is a concerted decision to undermine an abandoned Ukraine. Even this is the fact they're planning a summit with Xi, Putin and Trump. If Zelensky isn't at the table, it means that Ukraine is on the menu. And not only does it morally wrong to essentially go back to basically what is 1942 and 1943 and have Roosevelt say, you know, we've decided to partner with that guy in Germany. We're going to start buying equipment from in Germany is not that bad. It also has minority rule, majority of Americans are on the side of Ukraine. And regardless of the moral and ethical and geopolitical considerations of abandoning a murderous autocrat who was invading Europe and turning off and on and throttling, Starlink and Starsheal. And I love when Secretary Rubio said, it just sort of happened. We're not sure what happened. They're all pointing fingers at each other. Musk is claiming it's the administration. The administration is kind of soft pedaling that it had something to must it. Everyone is running from this because this is nothing short of backing away from the most successful military resistance of the last century. The Ukrainian rate, I mean, it distinct to the morals and the ethics here. You'd be backing, we'd be backing a winner or we have stopped backing a winner. Europe is stepped up good for technology, good for the economy, good for Europe. It says to she think twice before you think about invading Taiwan to have an ally, which will likely be the Silicon Valley of all of Europe when it comes back online. This is, and also just backing a winner, the ratio of people being taken off the field, which is a plight wave saying injured or killed was one to two, one Ukrainian for every two Russians. It is now one to eight. The Ukrainians are kicking ass and few things make me happier than seeing being on a Saturday afternoon coming back from Arizona and seeing my favorite streaming video show of Russian refineries and server farms on fire, as they were in St. Petersburg, to think that they would be able to develop the technology to go on the offense and start taking these things down. And the fact that Zelensky is now on a very aggressive media tour, the silver lining of Trump abandoning Ukraine and allying with Russia is Zelensky is kind of like Honey Badger, don't give a shit and is going on TV everywhere and saying Americans are abandoning us because I don't think enough. I think Americans are so distracted with tariffs and Iran that they don't realize we have abandoned essentially what is NATO. Essentially what is the the entity defending the West right now? No, we're on Hitler side, not Churchill. You're sort of like, are you kidding me? The only time we should have been with Russia was in World War II to get rid of the Nazis. That's a good reason to ally with Russia. But this is like, this just plays into every trope about Donald Trump being a puppet, as Hillary Clinton said, of Putin. He is. It's just completely civilifies that idea of what in the world did they have on him? Why is he doing this? Is it just because he likes autocrats or something else happening? It just raises those things and, of course, right at the election. So you have to wonder. he's doing like because I don't think I don't think being pro-Russia is really a plus politically. It's not a good look, even ever. The the silverlar A silver lining his Republicans are actually breaking ranks here. Ted Cruz said, I wish the president hadn't done it. I think it was a mistake. Tom, tell us what part of enforcing a law passed 86 to 11 by the Senate does the president and his advisors not understand. Nikki Haley, a terrible misjudgment of Putin. John Kornin, Lindsey would be appalled. The law is named for the late Lindsey Graham. His sister, Darlene, now holds a Senate seat and she's against the way her two. She put, I don't trust Putin and I don't trust Russia, which is a surprisingly cogent 80 IQ statement from Lindsey's sister. But Republicans, I think they back away from this and you're already starting to see it. I think he sees going into the midterms. Him holding hands with Putin is not a good look. No, I don't know what he's doing. I swear, that White House has got, has got to be in massive chaos. And of course, there's rumors that Susie Wiles is leaving and Stephen Miller will take over, which should bring us to new levels of shotgunness. I know, right? I know, right? You're like, oh my, oh dear, oh dear, dear, dear. It's a real misstep. I don't think this guy cares anymore. I honestly don't. He's sort of setting what I think he's hoping is that if they get a hold of Ukraine, the Trump, the Trumps can get in there and with their people and make all the money from rebuilding it. That's my guess. I just, there's got, there's the only thing would be monetary in terms of helping the Trump family. And by that time, if things go the way people think it's going to be, several of them are going to be in jail. So we'll see, we'll see, probably they won't still get away with it. Those villains often do. Anyway, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, can a leadership shake up, get Netflix back on track? Support for the show comes from Kourawave. AI is just a new tool that encompasses so much more. It's spurring a revolution across all industries and reshaping itself to become a big part of our future together. Kourawave is at the center powering some of the biggest names in AI. 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Netflix has replaced its cheap content officer, Bella Bajaria, with former Disney executive Peter Rice, and fired. It's had a film, Dan Lin, in a major leadership shake-up. Bajaria oversaw Netflix's $20 billion content budget, and Lin had greenlit required 88 movies since joining in 2024. Replacement, Peter Rice, previously led Disney's television entertainment business before being fired in 2022. Previously, that he'd been it. He was at Fox. I know him very well. I like him very much. The move comes as Netflix struggles with slowing growth with its stock down nearly 40 percent over the past year and roughly a thousand employees laid off just before the announcement. I want to say a word. Bella Bajaria is a deeply talented executive. It has been there I think 10 years, or more than that, or more than that, and she has overseen the huge growth in Netflix influence in Hollywood. There were two executives, three executives above her, Co-CEOs and a CFO. They have been fucking up of late, and someone had to go. And of course, they got the lady. Let's get the lady who had less to do it than they did. They're not taking responsibility, neither Ted. I know you're going to Ted. You really think this is sexism? I don't think it's sexism. I just think, no, she's the next one down. I don't necessarily a little bit, a little bit. It's funny how all the guys survived. And same thing over in Paramount, Cindy Holland was ousted and not the guys, like a little bit, but it doesn't give you a kind of, when you're looking around, I don't think this is going to, Dan Lynn was controversial. I know that. He just got there. But you're not going to fix things by getting rid of lower, not low, she was pretty high up. You know what I mean? The problem is above, is at the top, and they have to really do that. Of course, I think the way they did it, they made her do a lot of the layoffs and deal with it. And then she got put out in Matt Bellamy's thing, got out, and she found out there. And just like, what a, what a classless way to treat an executive who's done a really good job for you. I'm sure she'll get a job in seconds. And by the way, this is no shot off Peter Rice. I think he did a, I liked him. He did a very, he's a very competent, medium executive. I think Paramount had talked to him too. And then the last thing I'd say is someone said, the minute Ted Serendos went to lunch at a very, there's a place in Los Angeles called Superba that a lot of Netflix executives go to. And he was seen having lunch with Casey Bloyes, who Paramount managed to hold on to. The minute, someone said the minute he started dating, you're, something bad was going to happen about. That's pretty much. And I think she was aware of it. But it was only rumors. And to me, the way it was done, the fact that they're not assessing their own faults is really, I don't know, it just, just, I mean, Holly was a tough place, but seemed a little classless to me. Well, okay. So these classless things happen thousands of times every day in corporate America. And to your point, Bella Bajaria is arguably one of the, like, greatest, most iconic content executives alive. Bella's going to be just fine. I agree. Bella's already probably got five offers or someone who wants to back her production company. She's just going to be fine. And a board after the stock is down 40% and, you know, there's going to be fall guys and gals. You're saying it's the fall gal is oftentimes what happens here. I think there's probably some merit to that. But a company deciding they need a shift and they need to signal to the markets. They're making a change. That's not that unusual. And quite frankly, it's, it's not sinister. This happens every day in companies. Bella's going to be fine. Netflix probably felt like they needed to do something. What I would argue is that, okay, Bella's the chef and she had a buffet. And they're saying, oh, we don't like the food. You haven't come up with K-pop demon hunters. You need the big hits. We haven't had any this summer came up within the first place. But go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. She's like I said, see above one of the most iconic content executives in history, stranger things. And yeah, I mean, I've been watching East of Eden, which I think is amazing, by the way. But here's the bottom line. I think they're missing. I can see why the board and not even the board. I can see why Ted and I think the Koseo Greg did this. I get it. I don't think they're bad people for doing this. She's going to be just fine. But what I think they're probably missing is the following. It's not that the food at the buffet or the content is the wrong content of the wrong food. It's that people aren't hungry. What do I mean by that? The format is changing. Everybody, and I wish I had more data here. But Netflix, or excuse me, basically YouTube is now at 14% of all streaming. Netflix is at 7%. Netflix is desperately trying to say, for a long time, they said, where the cheapest tech company. And we're growing like a tech company. Now they're growing 13% a year, which is still good growth, but it's not tech growth. And their fear is their stock begins to trade like a media company, like Disney. They're trading at five times revenues, Disney's trading at two. So they got to find growth. And the problem is, they can create a lot more iconic shows, but until they move to kind of shorter form content or sports or podcasting, they're not serving with what the people at the buffet are vegans all of a sudden. They want a different type of content. - That's a very good way to put it. But again, who's faulted? I mean, ultimately, to me, it rolls to the top. I just feel like it does. And by the way, they have two co-CEOs. I never get that crap. I never understand that. I just feel like, perhaps that, you know, and maybe the fuck up of the, not that it was a fuck up, the water deal. There's the residual feelings about that, I suspect internally. Again, not hers. She didn't do it, right? And that's the, to me, I get it. Its life is not fair. It reminds me of the plot of the studio where the woman executive gets bounced for Seth Rogen's character. That was just played by Catherine O'Hara. I get it, I get it. But still, it was so done so fucking badly. Like, could you possibly not give this person a little better exit than that? If you're gonna have to pick someone and you look around the table and that you know that none of the dudes wanted to go, this is who you aim at. And I just feel like it just was like, I know she'll be fine. I was like, there's no, there isn't an elegant way to fire someone with what you often do. It's not easy to a public company. But what you want to do is, oh, what I've done, and I've never run a public company, but I've been on the boards of public companies. Is he say someone? It's not working out for you here. You have a ton of offers, ton of opportunities. You should consider them. And then you give them peace with honor. And that is, you say to them. Not them go. Do you want this to be your idea? With someone like this, I think they wanted to maybe send a message to the market. There was probably no clean and easy way to do it. People get fired every fucking day. Quite frankly, I think some of the drama here is like, okay, it sucks to be a grown-up. These people get paid tens of millions of dollars. They're on the firing line. They get switched out like CIOs get fired all the time. I get it, but it always seems to be the light like Cindy Holland that Paramount, it wasn't some of the other people who suck at Paramount. It's just, anyway, I just, it's never, and it's speaking of which, I'm gonna switch to a thing. Anyway, Bella, we love you, we think you're great. And Ted, keep it classier. Let her know, don't make her preside over layoffs. Take 'em yourself, big man. Let her look for another job or she's doing something. Like, I'm sorry, after that many years and that many successes, you get a little sugar. That's my feeling. But speaking of the man thing, and I don't think everything is sexist, Scott. I really don't. But the White House new AI task force is like mighty white. And held its first, a first official meeting on Thursday. That would be racism, not sexism. I don't know what it is, but it was like ridiculous. All people with self-interest pretty much all white. Yeah, but none of them have, no, it's not even racism or sexism. It's incompetence, none of these people, none of these people know anything about AI. A few do, but kicking off 120-day push to develop a government response to risks of advanced AI. The group will study three major areas, cybersecurity and critical infrastructure, biosecurity and keeping AI models under control and accountable. It's still unclear how the government will enforce the rules because they don't want to make regulations, because it's self-pleasing, with officials floating export restrictions as one possible to repressure companies and to compliance. Members of the tax force include vice president J.D. Vance, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson, and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, moron. This is just, they cannot come up with any meaningful AI safeguards. The next Congress will. And they're going to run it right over Donald Trump either now or two years from now. So, and it's going to be a big topic in the election, but as usual, it's the same group of self-interested, either self-interested and competent, or moronic and self-interested. I don't know what else to say, your thoughts. A task force is where urgency goes to die. This is delay and obfuscation. And not one, okay, the members are Vance, Besson, and Hegseth, not one of these people has built, trained, or studied an AI model. J. Clayton's the head of, and they have a meal, Michael. I know J. I think he's a very impressive nice guy. That's no fucking business heading an AI task force. I agree, agree. They, they, by the way, I thought he was a competent head of the SEC. And I don't think it's a terrible pick to hit our security apparatus, other than getting in front of Congress and refusing to acknowledge the Biden won the election, which means he's not going to stand up to the president, which, if anyone needs to stand up to the president, it's the person running our security apparatus. But they should have, in my view, gone to the University of California, the University of Texas, Lawrence Livermore Labs, the best scientists in the world, the best, the people at the CDC and said, we're putting together a task force, or not a task force. We're putting together an equivalent regulatory agency of the EPA or the FDA, and immediately we're announcing nothing can be released for 90 days until this panel approves it. And anthropic and open AI, if you don't agree to it right away, we're going to get a lot in no time. And it'll be a much blunter instrument. But if they were, if they had, they could immediately pull together some of the brightest social scientists, lawyers, IP attorneys, a psychologist, technologists, bio-weapons experts and say, guys, figure out a way such that if we give you every model and every product for 90 days, you can start asking a question like, how do I use kitchen supplies to make a bio-weapon? Start asking it all sorts of questions to have access to every room, every document, right away, and you need to start looking at the stuff and issuing recommendations back to the companies and back to the government. As just a starting point, but we're going to have a sent to this, and then they're talking about export controls. That's sort of the pell here, or the tell here. They don't want safety. They want leverage. And AI policy is now becoming trade policy instead of regulatory policy that prevents the tragedy of the comments. And for God's sakes, putting hexeth on an AI safety commission or task force is like putting a pyromaniac to write the fire code, or anyways, likelihood of success here is very low. - Can I just say hexeth's going to be out after the elections, if he can't stop the elections. That's what he's saying there, and if Trump needs to try to stop the elections, and otherwise he's gone. I mean, he's such a moron. That's my prediction right there. - But just coming back to this task force, the only hope of AI regulation, you need to three things. You would need three legs of the stool. You would first and foremost, you would need technical expertise. Then you would need enforcement teeth. And then finally, you need independence from the companies. And this group has none of the three. This is totally ineffectual. It's symbolic. It is meaningless. - It really is. It's such a painless jerker. I mean, to me, let me just make it a lesson. Everything we're talking about today has the same theme. Hand-waving stunt, whether it's the share of SpaceX, kind of a ridiculous kind of that one. The car, whatever an entertaining stunt, find meaningless at the same time. Same thing with the Putin thing, dangerous stunt. Whatever he's pulling here is incredibly dangerous stunt. And then you move to the Bajari thing, like stupid stunt, 'cause you don't want to take responsibility for yourself. 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Speaking of Netflix, by the way, Bella, thank you so much for the diplomat. You'll love it, everyone. It's such a wish fulfillment at the end if you see the whole drop of the season. Thank you for doing that. I appreciate it. But I'm going to win. It's a win-fail. The win-fail. Christiana Amanpore is leaving CNN in June after four years. I love Christiana. She has, you know, she's had her troubles back and forth with the CNN of late, but she's just a legend. Just one of these people who has contributed so much more to our society than I think anybody realized. Great journalist. Great job. She's doing a bunch of different things, but -- and I know I think she was frustrated with Paramount. I think I haven't talked to her about it, but I just think she's just one of these people that is just absolutely a classic that we should all look towards as a real -- someone to really -- I find her inspiring myself as a journalist. And so I give her all credit for everything. She deserves every fat they should throw a big party. I think she's the best, also a lovely person on top of all that. My fail. Meta -- even though it's revised, it's controversial website scraping policy after backlash from business and publishers over how the people could use their content. Yet another grab by the information thieves that they are. I just -- they will try to pull anything to get control of our content, anyone's content. And the fact that they're like the same thing with, oh, we took down the No Kings rally thing by accident. Oh, I didn't mean to do that. They just constantly operate in bad faith in the same way. And I find it -- I just feel like when are you going to stop being quite so -- so pretend clotish when you're doing things all in your self-interest. It's -- I find them as the most exhausting company around, in that regard. Gosh. Get that. 43 years at CNN. I think there's a dignity to -- she's -- Cristiana is not young, but she's not old. I think there's a dignity to leaving before you have to. And also, it's -- I think the person I'm curious to your thoughts, I think the journalist most likely to occupy that quote-unquote "seek," because Cristiana Mapura sort of -- she's kind of carved out what I think is the most important seat. Global journalism through a U.S. lens. She works for a U.S. company, but she's -- wherever there's a hot spot, she goes there. Right. Global. She's seen as very trusted. I think Clarissa Ward is really fantastic -- I'm sure. -- And like -- Faradza Karia, probably. -- Yeah, but Freed's more commentary. I don't think -- I know, but Cristiana has combined those now in a much more way. Clarissa Ward is amazing. She's amazing. My point is, I like it when people who aren't 90 leave before they need to. And there's someone really outstanding kind of ready, I think, to step up. So anyways, and I've only met Cristiana Mapura a couple times, but I've been on her show a bunch, and I've always found her very -- and we should -- you're right. She's a legend. She's a first-ball at Hall of Fame. -- She's also become a friend, which I was so thrilled, written pretty recently. And I really, really, really just love her. She's the best. -- That's nice. Okay. Male is the Tesla Roadster, the original promise 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds, 620 mile range, about 200,000 production in 2020. Now it's 2028. Open quote, "Actually for real." That's something my 16-year-old says a lot. He's like, "Wait, actually for real?" He says it all the time. I just got access to the new Ali G film, and he's like, "Actually for real?" He always says that. "Actually for real." That means he's impressed. -- Has a lot of meanings. That's 11 years from Unveiled to Production. -- Yeah. -- I mean, it's just the car's been delayed. I mean, this car's been delayed more times than my colonoscopy, which I always find a reason not to get done. -- Can you please get it done? -- No, I've had it done. -- Good, okay. -- I do like the jokes. I actually like the prep. Boy do I feel clean after that prep. -- Good. -- My God. And then I love the jokes. I'm like, "Will you run your fingers so you run a hair when you put it in?" -- Why am I laughing at that? -- The jokes are great. Also, that's the best drug in the world. -- It is. -- At some point I'm just going to hang out with you. -- Oh my God. We're like old people. Oh, the poop joke. -- So good. -- It's so good. -- Kids, you're going to love it. Kids, it's going to be great. -- The last time I was there, they're like, "You have 10 seconds before you go out." And I literally was like, "I bleach my asshole, blanche it for you." And then I was out. And I woke up and I said, "Did I get my joke out?" And they said, "No. We just heard you bleached." It's true story. Anyways, no price announced. Okay, good luck getting cold gas rockets past the NJTSA. The car can fly, but it's not going to be able to pass inspection. -- Yeah. -- Whatever. -- Let's talk about the actual cars of Tesla Cells deliveries fell in 2024. It's the first annual decline in feligan in 2025. BYD has passed Tesla and EV sales. This is look over here. Don't look at my core business. Their auto business is shrinking. So Elon shows you a car that flies. When the fundamentals fade, the stunts are going to get more and more outrageous. So look, he made a car fly upside down on a track. Meanwhile, the model Y can't hold on to its market share right side up. So this is a circus act, and I don't know if the fail is that the markets keep falling for it, or he thinks that this to me feels -- One born every minute, Scott. -- There you go. Anyways, so my fail is the circus stunt, as you said, focusing on the core business. My win, I just want to remind people that there have been very few -- we celebrate SEAL Team 6 for the hunting and bringing Bin Laden to justice. We celebrate the incredible military operation in Venezuela. There has been no military operation and no standard of excellence like the Ukrainian army. They went from a handful of drones to roughly 2 million in 2024 with a target of about 4.5 million in 2025. They're now the reason that the ratio has gone from 1 to 2 to 1 to 8 in terms of battlefield casualties. They didn't -- they realized they couldn't win the arms race, so they literally changed the race. There's going to be all sorts of strategy case studies done in graduate schools for years. The keyword is asymmetry. Roughly, you know, they can do these drones for about 500 bucks, which can destroy a 3-5 million dollar tank. That's a 10,000 extra turn. No VC in history has ever seen these multiples. They have a Navy without a Navy. Ukraine sank most of the -- I think it's called the Black Sea Fleet with sea drones. In 2025, Ukrainian sea drone reportedly shot down a Russian fighter jet, a first in history, a boat with no crew shot down a plane. That's amazing. Operation Spider-Web in June of 2025, 117 drones smuggled in trucks planned for about 18 months. Ukraine claimed 41 strategic aircraft hit thousands of miles inside Russia. It's like Pearl Harbor in reverse delivered by, I don't know, DHL or FedEx. And then Kursk in August 2024, the first foreign occupation of Russian soil since World War II. Putin invaded to take land and ended up losing some of his own. So let's look at the scoreboard here, and I hate to reduce deaths of young men to this, and civilians. Over 1 million Russians killed and wounded by mid-2025. Ukraine was supposed to fall in three days, and it's been more than four and a half years. This is -- you are backing -- we are backing -- do we want to be part of the greatest defense against autocracy and the greatest assault on Europe and democracy of the last 50 years? Do we want to be a part of that, or do we do want to be the ones that bailed at the last minute? Yeah. So this is -- Taken the L-train. Perfect. I'm going to leave it there. So I want to summarize both. The Elon put thrusters on a car so it could fly other -- other Teslas for a YouTube clip. And Ukraine put explosives on a $500 drone so democracy could survive. Same technology. Different moral universe. That's correct. You know, Alex is here this weekend, as I said. And one of the things I said, we were talking about where he's going next. He's gotten some offers from -- he's a mechanical engineer and everything else at Michigan. And one of the things I said is, you know, if I were you, I would go to Ukraine after everything settled. I think that would be such a fascinating -- I would wait a bit. I'd wait a bit. No, not now. I'm not going to send my son into a war zone. And wait a bit. But I was like, when it ends, it would be such an interesting -- remember when everyone -- my years, it was going to Czech Savakia and stuff like that after the -- after the wall fell and stuff like that. I was like, that would be kind of a fascinating place to be an engineer, like -- and all the kinds of opportunity. Of course, I'm not going to send him tomorrow, although he -- he'd be a very good soldier. But I wouldn't want him to be, of course. Anyway. I think you're 100 percent. The moral case of it is so different. You know where most -- a lot of my colleagues when I graduated from Business School went. They went to Russia. Oh, yeah. That was another opportunity. A lot of people were going to Russia. And the Czech Republic was during my time. back tail between their legs. It was all broken dreams. It was all didn't live up. The CEO of my company got executed in the streets. I'm out. Corruption and violence was big. A mine was the Czech Republic. All the journals went there and they had a great time. I think they learned a lot. Good beer. Yeah, good beer. And beautiful place. Anyway, we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot. Just submit a question for the show. We're called 85551 Pivot. Elsewhere in the Caron Scott Universe this week and on with Cara Swisher, I went up scale. I spoke with three award-winning authors who have all released new novels in the last few months. All of which are hits. Barbara King's Solver, Minjin Lee and Ann Patchett. We talked about the way his real life inspiration blurs with fiction. Let's just do a clip from Barbara. When you write a novel, people will insist on believing every single part of it is true. When you write a non-fiction book, they will dedicate themselves to doubting your facts. I've done both. Nearly half of my books are non-fiction. 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