Trump’s Putin Deal BACKFIRES as Ukraine Fights Back

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All right, as we're doing each day up until the race, we're going to have Jess call on her background as a pollster and her Ph.D. in data sciences. Was that what it was? It was in political science, but it was a database Ph.D., so we just, like, mashed them together. Wow, so fancy. Yeah. All right, so let's look at the map. We're watching with just 19 days until Election Day, and here's where things stand. In Texas, a new Marist poll has James Tallarico leading Ken Paxton by two points. A new Suffolk University poll has Troy Jackson up two points over Susan Collins. And in Florida, Cal State gives Democrat Angie Nixon just a 9% chance of winning the Senate seat. Any thoughts? Anywhere on the map where you want to start, Jess, anything interesting or any new developments in the last 24 or 48 hours? There have been a lot of debates. They're continuing, and James Tallarico had a town hall last night, which Ken Paxton was invited to participate in and didn't. I thought he did a stellar job, and I just wanted to say something about his fundraising. $64 million this summer. It's the largest third quarter. Of any Senate candidate in history. He's now raised $134 million in total since he launched his campaign. He will still be outspent by Republicans. And I was talking about this yesterday with Aaron that the money differential isn't hitting as hard because the Republican ads are not resonating with people the same way as the Democratic ads are. But there is still this huge cash advantage people should pay attention to. I'm glad we highlighted that Angie Nixon is just 9%. It is Florida. And I know that miracle things are going on potentially in like in Iowa, Alaska or Texas. I just don't think Florida is in the same conversation there. And if you're donating, you might be better served by giving to David Jolly, who seems to have a very competitive race with Byron Donald's on the gubernatorial side. And generally speaking, I just wanted to say something about these governor's races and covered this for the Monday race. I'm going to our newsletter, which I hope everyone is receiving. It's less sexy to talk about governor's races, save for Rob Sand, who is sexy, is sexy. But the Democratic Governors Association is pumping an enormous amount of money into races that we should be focused on, you know, obviously expanding in Texas. And we're going to have Gina and Yehosa on the podcast, which I'm psyched about. But Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Ohio, Iowa, like I said, Michigan, Nevada, there are a lot of races that deserve your attention and they have big implications for the future of governance in this country. Governors serve as a backstop against the Trump administration. They also are the guys who just like guys and gals who just get shit done for people within the state, protect your health care, expand rights, quality of life stuff, tracked right to your governor. So just be mindful of the governor's races, too, as we all get jacked. About the Senate map. Yeah. And of course, I never miss an opportunity to talk about how important I am. I was in my second regents meeting and I think that I know this is public, but they put up a couple slides on what they call the compact with the governor's office in California and everything he committed to the University of California and then everything the governor demands in return in terms of enrollments, performance at the university. And I think the governor's office is a very thoughtful, rigorous document. And the University of California has really excelled over the last decade or eight years while the governor's been in office in large part because of this compact. Not only the resources the governor's office has provided, but the demands in exchange for those resources. So the governor in every state has a real impact on your kids' ability to access affordable education. A lot of people say these local races, to your point, are actually more important because Washington suffers from such incredible gridlock that in terms of what actually happens to your household, your roads, your school system, local taxation, your fire department, the crime in your city and your community, it's up to the local person. And generally speaking, the people who usually run for president are governors because people want someone with some operational or executive experience. Anyways, thanks for that, Jeff. Yes. Well, we'll bust right into the next part of our show. Republicans are bracing themselves to possibly lose the U.S. House of Representatives in just a few weeks. The numbers have been turning in Democrats' favor while polls show competitive races in parts of Kentucky, North Carolina, and Nevada that Trump carried by, get this, 10 points or more in 2024. Trump has been stumping in red states, including Texas, Ohio, and Alaska, where Republicans wouldn't typically have to fight to hold. Meanwhile, the top super PAC for Senate Democrats is throwing around 7 million into the contested races in Michigan and Maine. It feels like the Democrats themselves, it's been distributed. The fundraising has never been stronger for the candidates themselves, but at an umbrella level, it's never been weaker. While in Montana yesterday, Trump had this to say about the state of inflation. You know, every once in a while you hear somebody say, oh, tariffs cost inflation. They haven't. Again, we have very little inflation. We have a lot of, you know, energy and stuff. But just if you take a look at just that. So let's say I didn't do those tariffs. And let's say, you know, I didn't do those tariffs. You bought the lumber for it. Just a tiny bit less. Wouldn't be much. Maybe it would be more, but just a tiny bit less. You would also have all your sawmills would be out of business, right? So they don't talk about that. They never mentioned that. Every sawmill would be out of business. Your sawmills are thriving. American sawmills. Jess, thoughts? I get it that he has a lot of energy, except when he's publicly sleeping. But he is not delivering the goods as far as the messaging out on the campaign trail. And I think it's important to keep highlighting the fact that all of these clips that we're seeing of his campaign rallies are in states that he should not have to be in. And this is very different than 2024, where he was expanding the map and he was on the ballot. You're looking at real vulnerabilities in blood red states because Democrats, like you pointed out, have fielded incredible candidates. In Montana, there's an independent, Seth Bodnar, who's running. Go check him out. He is exceptional. But I am struck by, the messaging around all of this and how Republicans are refusing to learn from our mistakes. You can't force this messaging down people's throats. And he also said yesterday, which kind of blew my mind, our country is making more money than it ever has made because of the fact that oil is so high. At a time, literally the day the inflation report comes out, 3.7%, gas is up 34% year over year. It's the most consecutive days in a year that we've had on record of over $4 gas. And this is the messaging that they're choosing. They are just continuing to reinforce to the American people. They got us into this mess, and they have no plan to get us out of it, and they also don't care that they're suffering. Yeah, so to be fair, because America is a net exporter of oil and energy, it's not that we're losing capital overseas, as people might think. The Gulf nations obviously do really well, as does Russia, when gas prices go up globally and the price is set globally, if you will. And because we're a net exporter, you could argue that, in fact, we do benefit, but the transfer of wealth is the following. It's a transfer of wealth from every consumer in America who, everything they buy, every item in the grocery store, 20% to 30% of the cost is the cost to get that product to the store. So what you have is a transfer of wealth from every consumer in America to oil and gas and energy companies and those shareholders. Now, you might think, well, that's not that bad. Well, actually, it is. So, okay, Chevron and Exxon are doing this great. Home prices are up 70%, 80% in some oil-driven economies in Texas. But meanwhile, consumers are feeling it everywhere. In addition, gas prices play an especially important role in terms of branding for the current incumbent party. And that is, think about it, every block or every other block as Americans drive around the nation, they get a scorecard on the current administration in the form of a large neon sign that's dynamic. It changes every day. Showing the price of unleaded, leaded, and diesel. And so, consciously and subconsciously, every day, you're getting either a positive commercial or a negative commercial on current leadership. It's just, it's like they say, the price of diapers. Most grocery stores will sell diapers below cost because for some reason, moms who do the majority of the shopping look at the price of diapers and assign the entire value of the entire store to what is the price of those diapers. So they sell diapers. They sell diapers for less than cost, thinking that for some reason, moms won't notice the price of whatever, beef or Progresso or, you know, but they remember what the price of diapers are. Every block, there's an ad saying this is what gas costs. And also, they didn't learn anything from the Biden administration. The Biden administration kept throwing numbers at people. Meanwhile, people felt like the economy was bad. And all you have to do is walk into any store. One of my greatest disappointments, greatest joys and disappointments. Is that my my 16 year old is growing like crazy right now. I mean, he's literally shooting up. And every day, if I'm on the road more than a week, I come home and I notice that he's grown and then I listen to a Cat Stevens song and start sobbing. But he asked me to take him shopping for back to school or fall. He's on his fall break right now. And something that is just incredibly upsetting is he's a fan of vineyard vines, which I just think is the lamest clothes in the world. It's very waspy for the Galloway. Brand. Yeah. Hello. Can you speak to him? I mean, sure. I would love to. Oh, my God. He was I I took him there because I'm like, I don't want to judge him fine. And he then he started making a move towards belts with whales on them. I'm like, no, that's why I draw the line. I'm sorry. That's it. No whales on belts. Anyways, Vineyard Vines is a is a premium retailer. I can't get over how expensive everything is. And then in the grocery store, just you notice just in the last 12 months. Everything from milk to, you know, Diet Cokes to everything has gotten in chicken is gotten so expensive. And here's the thing, not to not only blame the Trump administration, you know, we had Mark Zandi, the chief economist from Moody's on property markets, and he basically did the math and said that the war in Iran and tariffs have now cost every American household two thousand dollars. It's like telling telling people to ignore something. And and it just makes them it just makes them angrier. And just to go back to some of these races, when Democrats are within margin of error in Texas and Maine, I feel like the map isn't shifting. It's literally tilting. And as you said, Florida is no longer a swing state. It's a retirement community with a voting booth. I mean, that's just it's just not it's just not in play. And I agree. Jolly is is the only hope we have there. And then when we see the president campaigning, in Texas, Ohio and Alaska, 19 days out, he's basically defending the fortress. He's not even on the battlefield. And they're pulling money out of a lot of the battlefield races as well. Mark, he won Senate races down to congressional races that they actually redistricted to be able to win, like Henry Cuellar's race in Texas. And now they're pulling out of it. And they got their dream candidate for that race. I want to say your point about the gas prices. This being the every other block reminder of what's actually going on is so important. And Lakshya Jain, who's a great Democratic pollster, had this chart that said it's the most important one to understand what's going on in this race. And it's the correlation between the gas prices and Donald Trump's approval. And that it's almost all you need to know about what's going on here. And people are surveying, obviously asking all sorts of other questions. And he said, this is really the thing that you can just, you know, fix your gaze on this one because it's telling the story. The story on grocery prices, you brought up beef and then even the price of chicken. Another great candidate in a race that we shouldn't even be competitive in is Scott Column in Mississippi running for Senate. And Cindy Hyde-Smith, who's the sitting senator, was doing an interview about the cost of things. And they asked her about the price of beef. And she said, well, you could consider another protein. And he did a hilarious ad. Pick another protein? Shit, I'd rather pick another senator instead. She done lost her damn mind. I'd rather pick another senator. What the? Pick another senator instead. Yeah, it's a great ad. Hilarious. And I've been overwhelmed by the incredible ads that are coming out of these campaigns that we're not thinking about, like Todd Achilles in Idaho and this Mississippi ad. And it makes you hopeful. For what is possible and also the quality of the people that are running for office, because we often bemoan that we can't get the best people to do these things and that we should pay them more and having to be in this inevitable fundraising cycle. And obviously, these ads are about fundraising. But I have been really jazzed just to see who's out there trying their hand at winning office and not just winning office, but taking it in deep, deep, deep red places. So that they can chart a better course for the populace there. Yeah, just to speak to that notion, I think the candidate quality on the Democratic side has been outstanding. Yeah. We have more veterans deciding to run. 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Elon Musk responded on X saying that Starshield systems are owned and controlled by the U.S. government, and that any limits on speed or usage are set by the U.S. military or the president. Let's listen to a clip of Zelensky on Pierce Morgan this week. It's a pity that we are losing, we are losing strong partner. So this is my opinion. You think you're losing America? Yeah, but not because of us. We, I mean, we can't be weak. Otherwise, we can't survive. Otherwise, we will just, we are not selling our country. Look, guys, it's not about business for us. It's just our life, and this is our country. It's our body. So our home, our children, and this is very important for us. That's why it's painful when President Trump chooses not our side, but we are in the middle. But if you're in the middle, you have to stay in the middle. I feel like I'm going to cry. I think that this guy has to go around pleading for us to do the right thing and to not even be on their side, which is the right side, but even just to stay in the middle. Because at this point, you can make a very strong case that we're actively helping the Russians with sanctions relief, this diesel deal, you know, pointing fingers, oh, no, you did it, you did it, whoever, you know, slowed down the star shield. And I get it, that it's DOD property at this point. And Elon Musk wants us to think that he's the good guy, but he doesn't activate Starlink over Russia so that the Ukrainians could find some way to end this. I mean, Zelensky, he gave an interview with the FT, and he talked about that. He said, open Starlink over Russian territory and we'll destroy Russian ballistic launchers. Then I don't need to hit these energy targets. But don't feed us this load of crap about, you know, the pointing fingers or this was a technical problem. You're not allowed to have a technical problem at that level, first of all. Second of all, we know what you guys think about this. We know that you think that Ukraine should have a new leader. Trump was talking about that again yesterday. Get Zelensky out of here. And he said over and over again, if the people want something new, they can do that. We can't even have a because people are living without electricity. People's homes are being destroyed, schools, hospitals, et cetera, because of Russian aggression. And it's so stark. I mean, listening to speeches from around the world, Georgia Maloney, who has a level of clarity about this that I so wish we had in our government. Surrender is not peace. It is conquest. What happens in Ukraine does not stay in Ukraine. The Polish foreign minister, similar sentiments. Keith Logg, who was the special envoy for Ukraine, saying what I tell President Zelensky is I don't give him sanctuaries. I burn down every one of the goddamn refineries that Russia has today. Take them all out. And it's getting a new life, a clip of Bill Clinton from 1994, where he's thanking Ukraine for giving up its nuclear weapons and says in return, the USA will stand by Ukraine's side to preserve its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity in the future. Ukraine and the USA share a vision of freedom. It's an excellent point, because what this says to the rest of the world is never give up your nukes. And don't trust us. Yeah, never demilitarize, never denuclearize, because if Ukraine had said we can't trust Russia, we're holding on to just six nukes. Putin could not have invaded or would not have invaded. And just the notion of Musk hiding behind this ridiculous notion that Starlink and StarShield are different. Starlink is SpaceX's consumer and enterprise satellite internet service. StarShield is SpaceX's government and defense line built on Starlink tech and launched in late 2022. I think it's pretty obvious what's going on here. And that is the bad news bears of geopolitical strategy. Kushner and Witkoff head over to Russia and Ukraine and try to convince Ukraine to basically just surrender. Give up. They parrot the talking points of Sergei Lavrov and Zelensky says no. So now Trump, in concert with Musk, are basically weakening the defenses of Ukraine. No heads up, shutting off, throttling. A quote unquote slowdown is a kill switch by a different name. And now more Ukrainian citizens and infrastructure are being killed and destroyed because the president and Elon Musk are coordinating to intermittently and without the knowledge of Ukrainians who become to depend on this technology, throttling it on and off. I think Elon Musk and the president are traitors to the West. And for Musk to just hide behind it and say, well, I have no control over this. We have essentially decided to outsource national data. To a private citizen who is addicted to ketamine. That's where we have. We privatized the battlefield's nervous system and handed the keys to a guy with a political agenda. A phone sleeps with a loaded gun next to his bed and is addicted to ketamine. And the notion somehow this just isn't much different than if FDR had said, let's buy energy or excess fuel or machinery from Hitler to fund the Nazi war machine, as he envisaged. This is an absolute betrayal of everything the West stands for. Russia's pre-war economy was about 10 times Ukraine's and its population more than three times. Kiev was supposed to fall in three days and it's been more than four and a half years. The Ukrainian army, what they have done is literally miraculous and will go down in history as one of the greatest feats of courage and sophistication in warfare by a nation. No one was expecting this in a country with almost no. No Navy has driven roughly a third of the Black Sea fleet out of action, a country without a Navy defeated a Navy and Operation Spider Web used $1,000 drones to strike $100 million bombers, thousands of miles inside of Russia. Americans are very narcissistic. They think they're kind of like babies. We always have a tendency to just say Americans are so smart and voters are so smart. I don't think so. I think that the best weapon Russia has. Is an. Educated American populace that doesn't recognize how important this is to Europe and the West and democracies all over the all over the world. U.S. military aid is a low single digit percentage of our defense budget over the same period. The best return on investment in Pentagon history was when we were aiding Ukraine, which we have stopped. We've turned off the tap here. And to be clear, to think that she is not watching and thinking about Taiwan through a Ukrainian lens. One, the good news is she's probably more reticent to invade because he sees what a motivated local populace is technically sophisticated can do. But at the same time, he's also more likely to invade because he doesn't think America is going to is going to support its allies. The ultimate own goal here is that Putin invaded to stop NATO and got Finland and and Sweden. I find this just so incredibly un-American and strange. Ukraine is literally right. Now, the West's immune system and it's taking the fever. So the rest of the body doesn't have to. Meanwhile, they're not asking for our sons and daughters. They're asking for our ammunition and our integrity to live up to our our commitments. We aren't spending enough time talking about this. America seems somewhat naive to it that it's like a baby. If I don't see it, it isn't happening. I see this as a battle for the West and to believe that Kushner or the Trump is going to negotiate some sort of peace. The peace they want doesn't result in a peace. It just schedules the next war. And that is it would give Russia time to rearm and then decide, hmm, maybe I take the rest of Ukraine. Maybe I start poking and prodding Finland. It's clear that Article five won't be triggered under a Trump or advanced administration. And now I've got my eyes on maybe Poland to think that all of a sudden he's going to stop. It's just so incredibly stupid. The lack of support for Ukraine. It's worse than the tariffs. It's worse than a failed war in Iran. I mean, this is this is going to haunt the West for the next 50 years. Any closing thoughts before we move on? Just to add to your point about the uneducated American populace when it comes to this. If you probably go out and ask the average American, you know how much we're giving to Ukraine, they would spout off some enormous amount of money. Right. And that we're also giving all our weapons. And the reality is, is that the Europeans. Are the ones doing this. All of it. All of it. And they're paying for their Starlink subscription, too, by the way. And I love that they're calling Musk out about that directly. It was essentially saying, you know, when people rage tweet about like my flights delayed Delta and I got no customer service. Right. I've been waiting online to talk to someone for four hours. That's essentially what NATO countries are doing to Elon Musk, where they're saying I'm a paying customer here. And how. How dare you or D.O.D. or you in conjunction with the D.O.D. shut down my service at the moment where we need it most. The Russians are definitely getting the green flag to keep going. And that's not just with what they're doing in Ukraine. It's also strengthening Iran, which we allegedly do care about at this point. The Chinese and the Russians are backing the Iranians in this. And I know that it moves to the back burner every time that there's a big other story and go, look over here, look over here, look over here. But the Iranians still have many cards left to play. I understand that, you know, we may be more in control of the straight at this point, but they are getting a signal that we will make deals and concessions that are so beneath our principles at, you know, in Western democracy. If you're going to give billions of dollars of sanction relief and buy diesel from Russians, who's to say that we won't make a deal that pales in comparison to the JCPOA with the Iranians to get out of the most unpopular war in modern history? And that is deeply, deeply concerning to me. And I get it. They want their checks to clear. They want to build resorts. This is, you know, Jared and Witkoff. But I always return to Witkoff's words after he met with Putin, where he said it was a really nice guy, didn't even need a translator. You know, like, I just understand him. He just understands me. And Putin is still KGB. That's who that guy is. He doesn't have a genuine bone in his body. And we have dopes who are duped doing this for us. There you go. I don't know how anyone can take these people seriously. And yet I have that undertow of anxiety that people will show up to vote on November 3rd and they will still support a Republican Party that has rubber stamped all of these decisions of the Trump administration. Yeah, I would argue our folks making these decisions right now on behalf of America are the greatest concentration of useful idiots in history. I just, I don't think that the KGB could have ever imagined an asset. I just don't think in their wildest dreams they would have ever thought, OK, we have the world's wealthiest man turning off and on battlefield technology for us. And the president of the United States is now aiding and abetting us and trying to force the hand of Ukraine to settle and basically settle or peace in the eyes of the Trump administration is essentially surrender at this point. We will re-engage students, alumni and other members of our community to examine how we preserve what is valuable about Greek life. That was Cornell University's president, Michael Kotlikoff, trying to quell some of the anger on his campus in a video address on October 3rd. A few days later, he addressed Cornell's faculty and what he said has since leaked out to the world. And it's clear that he doesn't want an outright ban on frats. He thinks a ban could make matters worse, driving violent behavior off campus. But clearly, his response wasn't enough for Cornell's community because today, the university announced a ban on frat parties for the rest of the academic year. 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Is a powder you stir into some water going to do it for you? All that, plus the strange tale of the gorilla-poop-obsessed father of cornflakes in the latest episode of Gastropod. Find Gastropod and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's bring it back to the United States. After a stop to campaign in Michigan, Vice President Kamala Harris will head to Georgia, Nevada, New Hampshire, and more in a rapid-fire attempt to get Democrats elected in the midterms. Those states also happen to be key states. And I just love how she's decided to help Democrats in key states for a 2028 race. Yeah, what does that mean? Questions remain around Harris running. Really? Is there really a question here? This week, a Democratic strategist in a new political piece says she totally blew it by not hitting the ground running in the last year. And there are separate reports that her husband, Doug Emhoff, has privately told some people he would prefer she didn't run. I just love that these people pretend their spouse has any fucking say. When you marry a narcissist, and you have to be a narcissist to run for president. You just have to be. You're signing up to do whatever the fuck they want, and they will use their family and talking to their family as a proxy for, I don't want to run, but the calling is so strong because I'm just so fucking awesome. Enough already. This is entirely up to them, and their spouses get to do whatever they decide to do. They signed up for it. I find this somewhat comical. And by the way, I'm not one of those people that she shouldn't run. I think she should run, and she's going to see her poll numbers. She's polling. She has the biggest poll numbers right now. I think that's largely named. Name awareness. I think, again, I just think she's a terrible candidate. I think she's a, my sense is, a good person. I think she made a great justice, was a good senator. She really fucked up not running for California governor. That would have been, she would have walked into that. But the notion that Newsom and Harris are thinking about running. Meanwhile, you know, Newsom isn't in New Hampshire for the foliage. They can pretend to be there to be helping other candidates, and they do. But it's just insane that we believe these people are still considering it. Let's look at an interview with the vice president, Kiki Palmer. She was asked directly if she was running. Let's watch. Before I really let you out of here. Are you running for president? Oh, girl, come on. Oh, just to get a question. No, you ain't getting, no, no, you're not getting out of here. We have to know this. You know that people want to know. Are we going to get another moment to see? I haven't decided. I haven't decided yet. I will. I promise. I'm just saying. We'll be waiting to hear. But the midterms, the midterms, the midterms. Okay, the midterms. 28 doesn't matter if we don't do 26 right. That's right in front of us. Yeah, focus on the present. Please. Yeah. One of the things I respect about Rahm Emanuel, in addition to being, he's kind of the Hillary Clinton of this race. I think he's probably the most qualified candidate, is that he's out of the closet. I mean, he's like, yeah, I'm running. Of course I'm running. I think Mayor Pete has basically said he's running. These guys playing the reluctant bride, it just, I think it's a bad look. If they want to say, I want to see if I get enough support, but if I have enough support, I'll run. That would at least be a more honest answer. But if there's anything resembling an opening, a tiny opening, these people are all in. None of them are going to say, yeah, I'm polling. I'm polling number one. But I've decided, you know, I sat down with my family and we decided, we just decided to kind of take it easy the next four. You will never hear that. I mean, I have a particularly unenviable position that I also work in conservative media. So clips of Kamala Harris are the lifeblood of the news cycle, of her laughing, of her dodging, of running over her record, how she blew it. She did this wrong. She did this wrong. She did that wrong. Like, she, you know, dropped out in 2020 before even any votes were cast. She didn't make it to Iowa. Right. You know, what did she accomplish? Like, I'm so sick of it. And I get it that I live in a different place than most people when it comes to this. But it does complicate the swirl around the race and our chances in the midterms. And I'm glad to see that she's going on the campaign trail, and I'm sure she will be very useful to the campaign. and not a chitchat moment, frankly. And I think that it just creates these sideshows when there are tight races all over the country where there are candidates who have no business being close or even slightly ahead in ruby red places where Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not particularly popular. And people don't want to be reminded that actually you are part of that team. You know, they want to look at you as some folks obviously are running as independent candidates but left-leaning. They want to see you as someone who stands on their own two feet, someone who like, and I've said it a million times, but I just love that Tallarico says, let's turn Texas purple, not let's turn Texas blue. And it feels like a reminder all the time of the quote-unquote blue team. And that is difficult for people that are down ballot. You know, that race, the 2024 race, she undoubtedly saved Senate seats for Democrats. You don't have Gallego winning. You don't have Slotkin winning if it's Joe Biden on the top of the ticket. Just impossible. But at this moment, I really want like a head down the hard work of getting people to the polls, turning out the vote, and hammering Democrats' message on making America more affordable, getting us out of stupid wars, building affordable housing, you know, getting you decent health care and everyone having access. So in other news. There's a shocker of all shockers. Old people are about to get more money. Retirees are going to get a 3.6% raise tied to cost of living in the new year. It's the largest increase since 2023. So effectively, Social Security, the cost of living adjustment, it's a 3.6% raise, the biggest since 2023 versus 3.1% private wage growth. So while Americans see their wages not keeping up with inflation, seniors see Social Security and the fact that we keep electing old people who vote themselves more money. In other words, retirees are getting a bigger raise. We're turning into France, folks, and that's not a good thing. Social Security, let me be clear, is the most effective anti-poverty program in history. It is outdated. Jessica Tarloff or Scott Galloway should not get Social Security. People are working much longer. They're living much longer. And young people cannot afford to continue to support a demographic where it used to be 11 to 1 young people to retirees. Now it's gone to 3 to 1. This, again, is another generational transfer. Young workers fund raises. For the rest of the world, it's going to be 3 to 1. It's going to be the wealthiest generation in history. The largest transfer of wealth in history goes from young people in America to the wealthiest generation in history, boomers. We're facing a cliff, a 23% cut as soon as 2033 unless we shore up Social Security. We keep giving raises on a credit card that maxes out in seven years. It's like getting upgraded to business class when the plane is low on fuel. We have this bridge in a few hundred yards, but every few years we repaint the bridge. If we're serious about funding Social Security, we need to lift the payroll tax cap. Someone working for me that makes $160,000 pays around $8,000, $8,000 or $9,000 a year in Social Security tax. Someone who makes $160 million a year pays $8,000 or $9,000 a year. We need to lift the cap. Social Security tax is a regressive tax. It's a promise that we have kept to our parents. And the way we keep that promise to our parents, quite frankly, is by breaking one to our kids. Something has got it. Got to give here. You know, I'm not surprised to see that AARP and the Senior Citizens League are out saying that even this adjustment to 3.5% doesn't keep up with inflation. And I'm sure that that is true for the folks who really rely on their Social Security checks. And I guess my broader point or question back to you, like, how do we make talking about Social Security going insolvent sexy for people? Because, you know, these are conversations that in wonky rooms are taking place or when a candidate meets with, you know, certain sections of society or like a business community meeting or, you know, maybe with even some wealthy donors. But obviously, you can't walk into a diner and, you know, talk to people over their pancakes and bacon and say, you know, what I'm really focused on is means testing Social Security and making sure that, you know, we're fiscally responsible about this. No one wants to hear that, especially in campaign season. So I'm curious as to what you think. I mean, you have plans for how we can actually make the program solvent. But in terms of the messaging around this, what would you recommend? I think. Yeah. You have to link everything back to affordability in the following. OK. Interest rates on your mortgage, your auto loan, your credit cards, your kid student loans have all gone up. You're paying 100, 300, 800, $1,200 more a month because of high interest rates. High interest rates are a function of fiscal irresponsibility by your government. There's going to have to be some hard decisions. It sucks to be a grown up. America is a household that takes in $50,000 a year in tax receipts. It spends $70,000 and it has $40,000. It's a household that takes in $50,000 a year in tax receipts. It spends $40,000 in debt. And that debt is going to be inherited by your kids unless we get our house in order. And one way we need to do that is we need to go Chinese and think more longer term. And that is, to be fair, Trump, the baby bonds were a great idea. They were just executed shocker poorly. If you gave $7,000 to every newborn, it would cost $40 billion a year. That's not a lot as a percentage of our budget. And what does that mean? You infantilize them. You put it in an S&P fund. They can't touch it until they're 60. And if the S&P keeps performing the way it has over the last 120 years, when they turn 65, they have a million dollars. And then in 30 years, maybe in 20 years, you say, you know what? In 20 or 30 years, we're no longer going to need Social Security. And the second largest line item in the budget is going to go to zero. Interest rates will begin to fall and everything will get more affordable. If you want more affordable groceries, rent, car payments, student loan payments, we need fiscal responsibility. We're going to put the age limit on social security. Yes, but not that tough because the majority of cuts can come from people who don't need it. And the majority of revenue increases can come from people and corporations that can pay it. As a percentage of GDP, corporate taxes have never been lower. As a percentage of taxes paid by the wealthy, they have never been lower. So this is about affordability. You want more affordability, then mom and dad need to start behaving like grownups. And then outline exactly what that means. We're going to have baby bonds for retirement such that long term we no longer need social security. We're going to have an alternative minimum tax for people making over a million bucks a year. We're going to have corporate taxes that go back to the 90s or pre-Trump. And before you know it, the entire bond market is going to look at Americans and go, oh, my gosh, the adults are back home from fucking partying and doing tequila shots and ayahuasca and mazatlan. And they're behaving like the grownups they're supposed to be. And interest rates, i.e. affordability, will change. But I think you tie it directly back to affordability. There needs to be an adult in the room such that interest rates come down and your things become, your items become more affordable. Also, a more wonky conversation that's probably not a bumper sticker is around antitrust. We have to break up companies such that they're lower rents on consumers, reverse the flow of capital and power from laborers and consumers to owners. Owners have just kicked the shit out of consumers through consolidation. From a slumbering FTC and labor has absolutely no fucking power anymore. We need to reverse those flows. Anyways, long-winded way of saying affordability, affordability, affordability. And you can tie fiscal responsibility to affordability for us in the medium and the long term. Can we get that on a bumper sticker, Jess? Yeah, definitely. Just on a, like a Yukon. There you go. Yeah. So, some sad news here. El Papa, Pope Leo XIV, has been diagnosed. He was diagnosed with lung cancer at the age of 71 following a surgery to remove a lesion from his lung. The Vatican described the operation as successful with no complications. Like, this is obviously very upsetting. This is a wonderful pope. Thoughtful, understands technology, incredibly articulate. The only good news here is this does represent a modernization of the Vatican. The Vatican used to treat the pope like he had a direct line to the gods and talking about illness was somewhat taboo because it made a lot of sense. It made him sound more mortal. The transparency here is actually a really good sign, as are so many other things coming out of the Vatican since this pope took over. So, we absolutely hope that this pope is able to take advantage of some of the wonderful advances we've made with medical research, with an embrace of institutions, with an embrace of universities, all the things that are under attack right now, and that he has a fast recovery. Any thoughts on El Papa before we sign off here, Jess? I mean, I don't know. I don't know if it's just that an American loves the American pope, but I am crazy about this guy. I mean, he says some things and believes in some things that I don't, but I love his willingness to wade into controversial waters and to be so transparent with people, and I feel like them talking about this diagnosis is emblematic of that policy and that it touches all aspects of what he does in this job. So, I think it's a good thing that they told us. I hope that they are right, that he will be fine, and that this is the totality of the diagnosis and the prognosis for the future. Speedy recovery. The world needs his moral clarity. clarity and his willingness to wade into the arena when he feels like it's necessary. And I think it's a wildly good thing for society writ large. And we didn't get to talk about it. And maybe we will in a separate conversation about AI. You probably did on other pods because I've heard you have other pods. But I thought his statement on AI was some of the most interesting fodder for thinking about the biggest issue of our time. And you don't expect that from a pope. And I hope that we have many, many more years of him playing this important role in the world. So let's leave it there, Jess. As an Easter egg and a gift to our listeners and viewers, we're going to play a clip from Representative Andy Harris after his debate with Dan Schwartz when he crashed out, when he blamed Democrats' environmental policies for high fuel costs. Literally, the audience began to laugh. He was interviewed post-debate. This is his debate. Enjoy. Enjoy and you're welcome. The facts are that diesel prices have gone up. There's no question about it. Why has it gone up? Because the Democrats' environmental regulations have not. Ma'am, I got to tell you that this is the problem. You all say you believe there's a First Amendment, but it's only if you agree with you. You should let me finish the sentence, ma'am. You are rude. Captioned by Media Access Group at WGBH, access.wgbh.org