201. Trump’s A Crypto Billionaire While Americans Are Getting Poorer

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And I don't really necessarily think I changed as much as I got my ass kicked. Oh, you're right. I've changed. Who's kidding? You're like Scott. You're like Scott. It's like from Wicked, you know, we changed each other. How about that? You've changed me for the better. All right. So we're going to talk about Trump's crypto billions, what happened there. I've heard you talk about it. I'd like to get your commentary. And then after the break, we're going to talk about birthright citizenship and what I would say is a loss for the conservatives or at least the Trumpists in the Republican party. Right. Not necessarily the conservatives, because I think it's an original list of ideal when you read the decision. But let's go to Trump for a second. I mean, the most remarkable thing for me when I looked at the Trump situation, and I'm just going to give you these numbers, 927 pages, car, President Barack Obama, 11, President Joe Biden, seven pages of disclosure, 927 pages. So what is it? What does it speak to you about what we're allowing for? It's obviously gross violations, you could ask any law professor, any lawyer, gross violations of the stock act. God only knows he's going to pay any taxes, by the way, on any of that, because he has tax immunity now. What is it? What does it say to you? I'm surprised you didn't steal more. You know what I mean? The enormous amount of grift here, and we don't see all of it, because there's all these side deals with his sons when they go to other countries before Trump gets there. I don't think we even plumb the depth of this. This is the very best it could be, right? I think probably it's much more. I think it's just one massive, you know, is it a mobster? Is it a con man? Is it just basic grift and corruption? What's really interesting is they spent so much time accusing Joe Biden's son of very minor corruption. And I believe that was corruption, for sure. It's throughout Washington. There's always a son or a daughter that way back to Billy Beer, and you know, it goes back and back and back, for centuries, essentially, in our country at least. But this is like, this is sort of institutionalized grift in a way that we haven't seen. And I think when this family came back for the second time, they realized they didn't steal enough the first time. And then they came back for two reasons to stay out of prison and to take advantage of the greatest platform in history to do grift and they do it in plain sight, which is really kind of amazing. Although I suspect there's all manner of stuff happening under the covers also at the same time. Yeah. Well, I agree on that. I'm sure that the goal is 25 billion. They've told that to people. In my opinion, Karen, I think he's probably hiding even more money in some of these offshore accounts. I'm sure he's got a funnel system that he's taking advantage of. What do I want to talk about the American reaction to this? Trump has said something that really resonates with me. When he's when they put the microphone in front of him, he says, well, everybody's making money. He's used the word, well, this is just peanuts compared to some of the multi tech billionaires and so forth. And then the last thing he says, and this is the thing I really want you to respond to, Karen. Nobody cares. Yeah. Nobody cares. I don't believe that to be true, but I see his point like nobody among his ilk cares. That's the group. Average citizens feel like they've been screwed. And we're paying the bill for whatever it happens to be, whether he's building a golf course in our tax payer money or the Kennedy Center or the East Wing. I think deep in the heart of most Americans, there is a sense of fairness in terms of like, I don't think people all want to be grifters, right? Like I want to get mine like that. There is that element of the United States, like let me get, let's get while they get things good kind of thing, but on the basic level, I think most people see this for what it is. It's a putin-esque grab for money and power and influence. And everyone assumes Trump is a grifter, right? Like I don't think it's a new fresh idea on him. He feels like that for a lot of people, you know, I always used to say he was a poor person's idea of a rich person, right? This idea of smart deal making with that isn't absolutely not true. But I do think people, there's a basic feeling of lack of fairness here, especially two things. The kids, right? All the various kids and the hangers on, like the Whitcofs and the Latinx. And then also when the tech billionaires are doing it, right? That feels, I think people are very much reacting and you see that in the, you know, in the polling figures is that these guys put in 25 million into the machine and they get back 25 billion essentially. So I think there is a reaction, it's just not necessarily around him because I think people think of this of him, you know, it's, I don't know, I just feel like they already, it's kind of calculated into his, his imagery. Well, I think you and I grew up pretty similarly in terms of our economic class. And so I just want you to respond to a couple of things. This is something really worries me. We're telling the middle class in this country or the working class that there are two rule books, okay? So if you're a nurse and you have a 401k and you got to make an early withdrawal, the bank is going to charge you $50 fee for that early withdrawal, a teacher who misreports income to the IRS, a teacher, she's going to get audited. The president can have 21,000 trades. If he's late on his filing, he's going to pay a $200 fine. No, this is the stock act fine. If you don't file properly, what is it? What is it say about the cold, this is now, we're now in the differential of enforcement. You use Putin, that's sort of what goes on in Russia. What does it say to people? I mean, to me, yes, I'm sure Richard Nixon was corrupt. I'm sure we can talk about people. You and I grew up in the 70s and the 80s. I'm not saying there was a corruption, but we've thought there was some level of merit-based fairness. What is the message culturally, Cara, that people are hearing from all this? Well, it's cynicism. It's like, "Hey, everyone's on the take, right? Every government officials on the take." He's trying to sort of sell everybody. It was sort of similar when he said, "Hey, we're brutal, too," right? The United States is brutal, too, so why are we mad about Saudi Arabia? That's not really the message you want to give to kids. It's not the message you want to give to the average person, which is like, "Hey, they're fucking everyone. Why don't we fuck people, too?" We do it, too. I do think, again, at the heart of America, there's sort of a twin-America. This has been around the gilded age, people taking advantage of the monopolization. I was just looking oddly enough, Thomas Nast cartoons. He attacked the oligopolies and the monopolies and the east-to-use octopus, if you remember, used to always do all those cartoons. I do think at the heart of America, this lack of fairness is an enathema. It goes through cycles. It goes through these weird cycles. He's just doing it so explicitly that it becomes manifest, if that makes sense. I have said, and I get a lot of pushback for this, that I doubt he will pay a price for this, and he'll just die on a pile of money and inflammation, essentially. I do think the kids and the hangars on and the tech billionaires will be paying a price at some point. I don't know if he will. I honestly don't. I don't think there's any getting this guy, largely because of the actuarial tape release. He's pretty old, right? Ultimately, it's just not going to catch up to him, unfortunately. It did with E. Jean Carroll this week, which he's trying desperately to get out of, but eventually, he lost that one. He lost a few cases. He lost a few cases. This week, he won a few cases. He's able to fire people indiscriminately, just couldn't fire at least a cook. But I'm going to make a statement, I want you to say, is it true or false, and react to the statement? I feel that Americans don't resent wealth. I think we still live in an aspirational society where people are like, okay, God bless, you made your money. That's fine. But I do think they resent two sets of rules. Am I wrong in thinking that or are they apathetic to the two sets of rules? No, I think they are. I think what happens is you get apathetic if you think everyone's on the take, like all the rich people are getting there and I don't get any two things it creates. One, it could create apathetic where everyone's like, oh, this is the way it is. This is the world I live in, maybe I should try to get some from me or it creates anger. And you do see it, whether it's Mr. Wonderful in the data centers, he's trying to blame everyone else. They just don't like him. That's it. You see expressions of it in the data centers, you see expressions of it all over the place. The data centers is a whole different group of people than the representative who sued the Kennedy Center. No, we're not going to do this or it expresses itself in different ways. Sometimes it can express itself violently, right? The rich people get everything and that's my fear is that it creates this sort of slow burning anger underneath the ground with people and you will see, you know, as I think I told you this and I talk about it is when I was talking about income and equality and I think that's where really like it's okay if everyone's moving upward, but it's not okay when just a certain group is, right? And so when you're when you're you can't keep up with inflation or you can't afford gas, it starts to build this anger and one of the things I many years ago, I was, you know, the income and equality is really rather vast at this point. It's at some critical alarm, five alarm fire level and I said to this one person that, you know, you can either deal with income and equality and bring people up or you're going to arm or plate your Tesla and I began to realize this person kind of wanted to arm or plate their Tesla and then of course the cyber truck came out, which is a perfect sort of personification of that or a visualization of that and I do think there could be anger, right? It has popped up in this country many times, you know, of this inequity and then it tends to equalize itself, right? It tends to equalize, but the fact that we haven't raised the minimum wage naturally, the fact that if people can't buy the housing numbers, you know, are going down and that means birth numbers go down. That's why we have a birth problem, we have a housing problem at the end. That's why, you know, everyone's like homelessness, what do we do about it? I'm like homes, you know, it's very easy and then so people feel they can't afford or that there's no future, they get very dystopian and violent, absolutely violent and it should be not a surprise when that happened. You know, we're in complete agreement and I made made some comments about this last week and I had this very smug billionaire and I love these billionaires because there's a few of these billionaires on Twitter. I'm not going to mention the guy's name because I don't want to out him or shame him, but this is a very smug billionaire who was deriding you. Remember, if you're a billionaire, you're an expert on everything. So if you have neurology, you're an expert on culture, everything, you know, smarter than you in every facet of life. And he basically said to me that that I was suggesting that confiscation through taxation was a market-based strategy, which of course I wasn't, but then he says to me in his tweet back to my commentary about income inequality that I have no balls and that I'm calling for expropriation and mythical bullshit. So this is the tone deafness that is out there. I responded to the guy. I said, I said, hey man, I got you down as a smug not worried about it, but of all your traits, it is the arrogance that will leave you the most bitter and alone. So again, I'm just talking about a fair deal for people, giving people some education in a very rich country is some health care. Not some health care, full health care. Full health care? Yeah, exactly. Well, you know what I mean. To get them to the starting block carer, you know, I mean, that's all people want, you know. Right, but why do we even have to ask? Right, that's the whole thing. To me, you know, it was really interesting today because my money was talking about just lowering your air conditioning. Right. Very normal thing for a politician to do. And immediately, both Ted Cruz and Nikki Haley, who literally hasn't met a thing she can't suck up to, both of them said, ah, communism. And literally two seconds later, everyone found their own tweets or announcements of we're having an energy crisis lower your thing. And I was like, how, first of all, what is wrong with you? You were, you, you have to take everything someone does and attack them. That's one, on a normal request by a politician. And two, how small do you have to be not to have everything and not want to give? Like, I've been thinking about this a lot, Anthony, a lot lately is that they're so hateful towards everyone else. They're so like, like I was watching this, exchanging Nicholas Kristoff and Elon about the cuts of USAID, which have led to deaths period. There's no question. And of course, he's, he always does this trick. He goes, name one person who died, right? And of course, Nicholas Kristoff was an amazing reporter named 20 and said there's millions more behind that. And of course, his response wasn't, oh, okay, he got what he asked for. And instead, he goes, Nicholas Kristoff is evil. That's their argument. That's, they don't want to acknowledge, like the hatefulness towards other humans. The callous indifference is going to get them in trouble. You know, 100%. I will say this to you, though, the holy grail of American consumerism. And this is sort of like the Holy Trinity is ice cubes, which I don't understand you guys in the UK. What's up with you guys? You give me, you give me one ice cube. They give you one. They give you one ice cube. Guys, when I'm asking for ice in the restaurant, I want like a bucket of ice. Okay? No, but two, shower pressure. Well, I mean, drip, drip. Guys, what's going on? We are together with Trump on that one. We like it. We like shower. I am. I want to be hosed down like I'm an elephant in the circus. And then the third, the third thing is air conditioning. Okay. Guys, I hear Mundani and he's absolutely right. But you know what? I do like it at 64 degrees. I'm sorry. I know, but it's not the issue of communism. He's trying to manage the electrical grid that everyone doesn't lose it. I think he's doing actually, and I wasn't a supporter, but I actually think he's doing a good job, and I think he needs to be commented for it. And by the way, when I say that on this podcast, I get 60 plus year old, mostly Italians, like you and me, lighting me up, telling me that I'm loving communism and so forth. No, results will matter. Results are what matters, right? I'll tell you I'm just trying to be objective. It even knows people will be like, oh, I guess it's just fine. Like you said in New York, I mean, it's so funny. The nicks when the people climbed the Empire State Building, which I just loved yesterday. I was like, go forward kids. And they're really hot people that did it. And then, and then Taylor says getting married mess. I was like, New York couldn't be better at this moment. New York is back. New York is back. New York is hot. And by the way, you know, I own a restaurant in New York. The street in front of my restaurant is clean. Right. Okay. So the mayor gets it. And you can dislike me for saying that. I don't care. What I want to go to something that really upsets me. And I just want to read this to you. Okay. So we got the 2.2 billion that he made. And that's the at least number. At least there's 86 million dollars in here of settlements. Ready? Meta paid 24.5 million. Alphabet paid 22 million. CBS and ABC each paid 16 million. Yeah. To the quote-unquote Trump's library where I guess they said stuff about him that he didn't like to be sued them. Even though we have a first amendment. But you know these brologarks better than anybody. And you know the media better than anybody. And that's basically extortion money. Yeah. And what's your reaction to that? That was the numbers that really clared at me. Godfather too. Extortion money. You want to keep this restaurant go? You got a nice restaurant, Anthony. You know, on anything to happen to it. Like a fire bomb or something. You know, like what someone was interesting. This guy Paul Graham who I've tangled with a bunch of times. But recently he's he's actually been very truthful in a lot of ways. He's a he used to run or maybe he still does a big entrepreneurial effort in Silicon Valley. And one of the things there's a story that open AI is going to give a certain amount of its stock to this trust fund thing at 5% and it's about 46 if it goes the way they hope it does. It's about 46 billion dollars into this trust counts for kids, right? And so some was like, oh, it's just a paper play. And and then Graham said actually they're giving five so they don't get asked for 10, right? So it was really I thought that was very candy response because it is this idea of we put this money in whether you're Elon putting 250 million dollars into the presidential race. And then you get out 5 billion in contracts. Like that's what it seemed. The whole thing seems like to me. And same thing with, you know, I talked to people at Disney. They're like, oh, we didn't want to go through discovery. It's just now they're fighting. Disney's now had it, right? Especially with that idiot at the FCC that moron running car. And so there's some fighting back. But in some level, it's like, oh, it's going to cost us 20 million dollars to litigate this or, you know, let's just pay them. And to me, you don't pay them. You just don't pay them, you know, because that, you know, they keep coming back for more. And that's the problem, especially look, I can see meta doing it in a second. Like why not? Whatever. It's just it's like a it's like a parking fee for them or or or Google, whoever happens to pay these things for the for the for those people to do it, they don't even think twice. For media companies to do it is really a bad precedent, especially the, the 60 minutes one that they said, oh, that's right. They didn't do anything wrong, right? And in fact, they added it a Trump interview. So the one at ABC was a little more complex. I suspect it was sort of been like the Fox case. Discovery wouldn't have been great of texts and stuff like that. That would, that was my guess is they probably said something in text that was problematic and would have looked bad. But it's just a payment. It's just a VIG, right? That means a VIG. Well, look at what the BBC does. So the Trump suing the BBC, it was close out the 10 billion dollar, He said, "You know, that's great. We'd like all your text messages, all the messaging, and this is basically all the stuff that the special prosecutor was digging up on Trump. We know that there's substantial evidence that he was involved in that movement on the Capitol, on the 6th of January, so he can't disclose all that, so that case likely gets dropped. Don't you think? I thought that was a brilliant move by the BBC. Oh, absolutely. Every time you push back at this guy, he, look at, he didn't care. I was like, you know, they just tried to get her to say, "Can you put off the five?" She's like, "No. Give me my fucking money." Like, I've fought you enough, and she's owed another 80 some that she may or may not get. Yeah, 83 million. 83. I think she's going to ultimately get it, and then, like, give it to, like, you know, women's rights organizations as my guess is what she'll do, but, I mean, she's older. I mean, she said that. She's like, she's going to take a little bit, go to Italy, and then use the rest for whatever or she should spend the whole amount, I say. It's just big after big, and I just, I think, people are tired of it. And ultimately, when you push back, like, Murdoch did around this lawsuit with the wall. He's come back again. It's a terrible lawsuit. They've got, you know, as long as you're, you sort of button down on your own behavior, fight back. Like, go ahead. Go for it. Come on, because you're, you're discovery is going to suck the Trump discovery is going to be terrible. He'll try to hide immunity, president, this and that. We're going to take a break. And what you'd explain this to me, Rupert Murdoch being sued by President Trump, but there he is at the state dinner with King Charles. Okay. Jamie Dimon being sued by Donald Trump, but there he is at Versailles at the signing of the MOU. So tell me, well, they're pretending he's a normal person. He, you got to show up for some things like there's, they're trying to pretend normal seat when this is just a grifter, right? And so, ultimately, when they're really coming for something good, they don't let it happen. Like, no, you can't have my, you know, gold, you may not have my gold. But I'll show up at your stupid thing and just like smile at you. But behind the scenes, they're like, fuck you. You asshole. Good diamond. Let me just say diamond's been an interesting case because he's been quite critical appropriately, right? Especially on the ballroom. Yeah. He's, he's really, I thought, I think he and Murdoch have played it well. When you know Murdoch, he's like, I fucking hate this guy, but I'll throw him a this and that. I'll go to his thing. But you notice, he does, he pushes back when it comes to the real world. I think Jamie, for me, you know, Jamie is probably the smartest person in our community in my opinion. I would agree. And I think he has the right touch on these things. And I'm sure he's very frustrated by the stupid lawsuit, which is specious. And again, one that'll likely get dropped. All right. We have birthright citizenship and the anchor babies in the Trump family when we come right back. We are getting even statement from the 10th of that flight with 350 passengers on board. The great game, strategic struggle between Britain and Russia. We assessed Prime Minister with high confidence it was Russian. Holding the Russians accountable is world war. They took down a British passenger jet, contained 350 people. 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This week, of course, the president congratulated China. He's got this whole theory in his head that people are running over here to have babies to create citizens, which is a bunch of nonsense. Nonsense. But I want you to go first. Give me your opinion on the case and give me your opinion on this very partisan court siding against the president. What do you think that means? I thought it was rather close. I thought it was disturbed. I thought it would be a much different -- I think the one -- I guess it was Kavanaugh. They said it was because of the federal law, and the government can change the law. A couple of them are like, look, this is in the Constitution, it's pretty clear, right? And let's not quibble over that. But there was one that said it was just the law, and the others said just as change the Constitution, and it sort of was eye-opening to me that this many people would go with that. I mean, it said, you know, look, again, speaking historically, America loves immigrants and hates immigrants. You know that, right? Of course. You know, my grandparents and your grandparents came from Italy. A pair of my grandparents were here since the dawn of time, the original immigrants, and the others came from Italy in the early -- early in the century, in the 1900s, and my grandfather in particular was born in Italy and then came over here, and my grandmother was born here to Italian immigrants who may or may not have been, I don't know, like I assume they eventually became, you know, whatever was in place at the time. But there's always been sort of a hatred of whatever immigrants came through. And it sort of reached a ridiculous -- again, this is another thing that comes and goes, right? And it's sickening, actually, because immigrants built this country, we both know this. And one, you know, this guy that just kicked this goal in the world cup was his parents were here. She couldn't fly back to London. He was born in the United States. He was able to play for the United States. I don't think there was any nefarious scheme happening. She couldn't fly as a pregnant person back to London to have her child. And so, he's an American citizen, what's really gross is that there's one person in particular that's sort of egging Trump -- Trump by nature is a racist and a misogynist and probably, you know, hates all people of color. And also, in my opinion, he's a white supremacist, and he's certainly a j-cent, so that's for sure. He certainly doesn't mind them in any way. It's probably too much work to really be an active one for him, he just sort of -- he just benefits from them. He probably has, you know, your typical attitude towards people that aren't white guys, essentially. But Stephen Miller, the stuff that comes out of his mouth, the hatefulness, and the idea that these people are nefariously up to things, or, you know, I just watched that Senate Marshal from Kansas talk about, like, all these citizens, all these immigrants are voting illegally, which is there's no proof of it. Like, I'm not sure where it comes from, like, this sort of basic hatred for the other. And Miller, to me, is the reason for all of this, like, what's happening. And he's, again, another person that I think will pay for what he's been doing eventually. But it seems to me he's got control of this, and he has Mark Wayne Mullin on doing the same thing now, which is pretty grotesque. I think it's important for people to understand the history behind the 14th amendment. And then I think it's also important for people to understand the limbo that people would have been put in. So just quickly, the Dred Scott case, very famous case, Justice Tanny basically said, "Black Americans tell you why, free or enslaved, you could never be citizens, you have no rights to which the white man was bound to respect." Okay. And so, obviously, this got the eye of Abraham Lincoln and he's like, "We've got to fix this." And, of course, he is assassinated in by 1868, a couple years after the Civil War, we get this amendment, which basically codifies and tries to bring the African-American community, which was enslaved into the world of citizenship and tries to give them the rights and the standing, which is effectively healing the Constitution. Okay. So, I think it's very important for people to understand that the genius of the Constitution was to have these amendments. Now, Kavanaugh, who I cannot stand, again, these are my opinions, Justice Kavanaugh separated himself. He voted with the majority, but he basically said, "Hey, guys, if you want to blow this up, he gave a template to the Congress to blow it up and basically seek a constitutional amendment." I want you to react to the following. Let's say that they said, "Hey, no birthright citizenship." Kavanaugh, what would have happened to all of these people that were in limbo? What would have happened to Trump? Trump family members where their moms may not have been citizens at the time that they would born. What happens to them? Do they get their birthright citizenship revoked? What about Marco Rubio? He was in that limbo category. He was born in the US, but his parents were of Cuban origination. But what happened to him, Carrie? Right. All of them. Bernie Moreno. Bernie Moreno. It's such an indictment of your background, right? You know, I got here. I got mine. Now we're going to stop other people. And again, so common in this country, so common for so many. We forget a lot of sort of the cruelties we've peeped upon various immigrant groups that have come through that have only improved our country, by the way. Aside from like small cases, it's really an improvement overall by far. I don't understand. Like again, it's like that Nikki Haley, like, oh, it's communism to say, turn off your thing. And then she did it. Are they paying attention to their own background and their own families and anything else? No, they're not. They're not for the kind of thing and the disconnect doesn't bother them in any way. They hypocritical disconnect doesn't bother them at all. There's a need for an intelligent immigration system, 100%. And there's no question that people have suffered because it's so chaotic. And of course, people want to come to this country, right? And so they're going to try to pile in no matter what. And in weird ways, you kind of want those people because they're sort of motivated people in a lot of ways, which is a really interesting problem because even though they, he tries to portray them as scum, they're actually the finest people in the world want to come here from all over the world, essentially, and the most motivated, the most talented and stuff. And they don't want to do criminal activity. They really don't. I mean, a very small, tiny, nothing percentage. Again, it affects them, but it won't affect them. It's sort of like abortion rights, right? They want to push abortion rights down on everybody. But they themselves, when in need of an abortion, will get one, right? They'll be able to get one. They'll be able to stay in this country. Melania gets to stay, et cetera. And so that, to me, I think this is just a typical thing that they do with everything, is it's for me and not for the, and that's how they operate. It would have been a disaster. You have 255,000 children a year. Let's say that they weren't U.S. citizens, they were born or not U.S. citizens. It's not clear that the country that their parents came from would have actually accepted them as citizens. So you would have all of these people in limbo, is it embarrassing? And why? For what? And for what? What does it solve? See, it solves that these people will probably be Democrats. Everything is about stopping people from voting, really, ultimately. That's a good point. And trying to solidify not Republican, because it's sort of a bastardization of Republicans. It's sort of this autocratic, we're in charge of your kind of attitude. And you see it from an Elon Musk, you see it who is an immigrant himself, right? A hatred of immigrants from immigrants is very common, is an awfully common thing. I mean, I had a grandparent that was like, everyone else but the Italians shouldn't come here, like that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah. Listen, we both lived through that era, right? I just think for me, what upsets me the most about this is the mythology. So we're going to stop you because you're all going to vote Democratic. It doesn't even work that way, you know? It doesn't. They're usually Republicans. Exactly. Half of them vote Republican if not more, particularly members of the Hispanic community. So to me, I don't even know where you're coming from, but I just want to point out that people are just the super important for me at least the under the sole allegiance at birth test that Alio wrote about in his dissent. Okay. Rubio would not have been a citizen at birth. Right. Or where Ivanka, Eric, or Don Jr., okay, because their parents, okay, in the case of Ivana Trump, she was a Czechoslovakian citizen. So forget it. You would not be a citizen. So Trump tried to write the executive order surgically to take his kids and people like Rubio out of it, but Alito is going right at it. Well, he's, I mean, there's two people I find particularly heinous in this era. One is Alito and his crazy wife, obviously she's not in hateful and Miller. I just, they're, they're two unique characters that remind me of the people that did the internment. There are several characters in that. I mean, lost to history. But to me, there, there's always a character like these two, right? Whether they're on the Supreme Court or whether they're in the administration or whether they're in some bureaucratic position that has this hatefulness towards immigrants. And without lack of proof, that's the thing. If you go back, I think I've recommended this, Rachel Madder did a great podcast series called Burn Order about the Japanese internment. And it was just like one person, essentially, the Stephen Miller of his day created what happened because of his hate. And they took advantage of it, a person above him who was somewhat adult and then ruined the lives of all these people. And so I don't know where it ends up. I just feel like, to me, the reckoning is never, as I said, I doubt will happen for Trump, but it has to happen for us, Stephen Miller. Alito will probably just fade away and I'm sure he's retiring. I think that MPR story wasn't inaccurate. I think it was totally accurate, you know, when they pulled it, I think he's leaving. And there's no question. I sat at a dinner with Justice Alito, Prime Minister of Italy came in. We went to the residence in Washington. I sat at a dinner with him. I mean, you want to talk about impolite, you know, Cara, I pride myself with being able to make conversation with anybody, okay? Yeah, you do. You could talk to like a light pole. Mr. Stoneface, okay, I literally was like the cold air coming off of this guy. I would love to sit next to him. Oh my God, it was. No, I would do. I would get him. Oh my God. No, I get him. Oh, it was so brutal this guy and he was so wanted and different. But I want to get you to react to this, okay, the birth certificate, I don't know, for me, it makes me think of America. It makes me think of pride in America and the joy that somebody has of being an American citizen. I went to a swearing-in and naturalization ceremony. Just recently, I gave the speech for the people. It was about 100 people. It was in a courtroom in D.C. and the judge asked me to speak in front of them because my grandfather obviously came from Italy and his dad did, too, and they came over on a boat. I found the records when he didn't have his name, he had a different name, which was a totally different name. I talked in front of them and it was the most moving thing I've done in a long time. I brought my daughter, my older sons weren't there in D.C., but I brought my six-year-old daughter. And I thought it was really important that she saw. And I got to tell you, everyone was from somewhere. It was like a crazy amount of different countries. And I teared up like these people were taking the oath to be American citizens and the pride of these families was so moving. I was so privileged to be there to watch these people become American citizens. And that's, again, the promise of America, right? And they're so patriotic and they're so, they know, and of course, you and I could not pass one of those citizenship tests. I'd be like, most Americans couldn't actually. But the people who come here have so much pride to be here. I find it really astonishing that these people are so hateful towards people who aspire to be Americans, which is, I think, at its best is the finest thing in the world to want to be, right? I mean, one would assume. I want to end on an optimistic note. I'm going to frame the question to you as follows. We're celebrating the 250th anniversary of the birth of America. In some ways, I think Trump is going to help us and hear me out for a second. He has given us a template where if we really want to reform the country, everything that Trump is doing, let's codify and protect ourselves from another Trump. He's really sending a message that there's a group of people here that want to strike the heart of the Constitution. Let's figure out a way to fortify it. Bring us in on an optimistic note character. I'll try because I feel like some people are exhausted, even I'm exhausted, and I'm pretty sassy. The exhaustion of the cruelty, ultimately, what I hope doesn't happen is everyone goes, "Oh, God." It doesn't do something like after Nixon, everyone was fired up to do something, right? After that. Of course, as usual, JD Vance, the cyber truck of American politicians was like, "Nixon wasn't so bad." I'm like, "What a dope that guy is." Every time he opens his mouth, I'm like, "Really? You are really not the smart person in any way." He's actually repellent, it's really, I won't go on about him. I fear people being, Trump is exhausting. He's exhausting. And that's the one thing that he has in his favor is he's so energetically awful. You know, he's a villain that doesn't stop villaining, essentially. Every day, he's going to tear down cherry trees that I love, you know, at Haynes Point, like what? You're sort of like, what part of you won't he grow, like which part of America won't he grow, essentially? And by the way, he's been adjudicated as a grower. So I can say that without feeling that I'll be sued. But one of the things we have to do is not stay angry because I don't think that's, anger does spur people to do things. I do think it does. Anger and righteous anger is really important in America. But we have to be like, okay, all this stuff gets broken. One, what do we need to fix that needs to come back? They just did too really terrible. We're stopping testing for microplastics in water. Let's just start that again. Like we have to start up a bunch of things that they've done in favor of industries, especially chemicals on food and stuff like that. But what has broken and we should build something new? And I think that's what we should, it gives us an opportunity to say, okay, this wasn't working. well, maybe the Democrats went too far here, maybe we could think of something more reasonable here. And that's what we should do is like, what should we build different? And it gives us an opportunity in this country, which is always about renewal to like not necessarily fix things that are broken, but change things that need change. That's an opportunity. He broke them. Okay, do we like everything about it? Do we want to bring it back the same way? Are there new fresh ways of thinking about it? And so to me, maybe it will spur creativity, right? And maybe we'll start to think, okay, that's a good idea from Mom Donnie. That's a good idea from, you know, I don't know, Kevin Stead. I don't know if as long as they're good ideas that we should be open to them and not be in this sort of, he keeps us in a state of helplessness and hatred towards each other. And if we could break that, I think it could be really helpful for everybody. That's what I'm hoping, you know, I see him as the wicked witch of the West Wing. I think he's got a good hit with the water, but she was good. It turns out that was propaganda if you saw the movie. Well, you're talking about wicked now, but I'm talking about the old school 1939 movie. Let's hit him with the water as he starts to shrink. The other people look at it and say, hey, I'm sorry, Dorothy. We got to get to that. I'm sorry, Dorothy, Momika. There's a lot of people that are tied into him that I think are going to regret it. Do you think they will? You know them. When I saw that Nikki Haley thing, I was like two days ago, let me just say on vivid, I said, she can't stop sucking up. If she could, she'd be a good politician. Scott was like, oh, you know, she's really actually good. And then she did it again. She sucked up again. And I was like, when is she going to stop? They're afraid of them. And they also think that they have any political viability. They think sucking up to him is going to help them with his base, but it won't help them with his base. If anything, the sucking up just looks like sucking up. And so that's the big issue. Minute, he goes, it's going to be like that poem. He's in the desert. His big giant statue to himself is covered up with sand. And that's the end of it. But I hope that they come back and stop it. But they don't seem to be empty. I just don't get it. I just don't get it. So I'll tell you this, it's good to have you as a friend. You keep all of a sane car up. You do too, Anthony. I'm grateful to you. Thanks so much, Cara, for joining me on the rest's politics US. And of course, Cadi will be back next week. And we'll see you guys soon. Imagine setting your makeup. 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