221. Trump Just Gave Putin Exactly What He Wanted

Putin is testing how far he can push the U.S. and Trump isn't just letting him. He's now telling Ukraine to stand down on Russia's refineries. He's blaming Zelensky for an energy crisis that he created. And through it all, Caddy, Trump's silent on Putin. I think I know why. Meanwhile, AI leaders are sounding the alarm. Slow down on the technology and regulate fast or risk total catastrophe. I personally, knowing Washington, don't think that's going to happen. But Trump doesn't care. All he wants to do is beat China and make more money. Let's get into it. This episode is brought to you by Yetoro. A tariff of spending plan, a regulatory change. It can all start just as the first line of a speech. But it sets in motion things that can reach far beyond Washington and unfold for years to come. That's right, Caddy. Mark has moved on expectations. Not just events, investors are constantly weighing. What a decision could mean for companies, sectors, and the wider economy. So Yetoro is an investing platform where you can access a wide range of markets and explore how political and economic developments could affect them. You could also learn from the global community of investors and see how people around the world are interpreting the same news. As with all investing, your capital is at risk, see itoro.com/tripus for full terms. Welcome to the rest is politics, US, I'm Caddy K. And I'm Anthony Scaramucci. OK, Caddy, let's start with Ukraine. Trump is telling Zalensky stop targeting Russian oil refinery, saying the attacks are hurting the world. I'm laughing on the inside and crying on the inside at the same time at that remark, Caddy, because if Russia stopped attacking Ukraine, the war would be over. If Ukraine stops its attacks, they're going to lose their civilization, their culture, their language. And I just want to point out that people quickly, I did get some feedback that I was using Putin talking points the last time we were on related to Ukraine. And I apologize for that. I now get how different the cultures are, how different the language is. And what would you like Zalensky to do? Why would he be willing to even think in that way? It's sort of ridiculous, Caddy. Yeah, I mean, I think you only really need to look at the Kremlin's response, right? Who is happy about what President Trump said over the weekend? And this plea he has, this dictat he's put to Zalensky to stop attacking the refineries, the people who are happy, the Kremlin. You've got Vladimir Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov coming out and saying, "Any call for Kyiv regime to stop striking peaceful economic infrastructure can only be welcomed." And then of course, he was given the opportunity to say that Russia would also not strike Ukrainian, civilian infrastructure and energy infrastructure, and he did not take that opportunity. So Russia sees this as a permission slip from the president that they can go ahead and carry on attacking Ukraine and Ukraine's infrastructure while the American president asks its ally not to attack Russia. I mean, the crazy thing about this is that over the weekend, we had news that the Russians had struck a train on the Polish Ukrainian border, which was a train station that dignitaries had been passing through on their way back, including Boris Johnson, on their way back from a conference in Kyiv, and when Trump asked Zalensky not to attack the refineries in Russia, he didn't at the same time mention that attack on a train. So it's okay for the Russians to attack the train, one of which, if it had been adjusted a different moment, could have killed several European leaders, but it's not okay for Zalensky to go after the refineries. I mean, I think the fact that he found a way to talk about Ukraine hitting Russian diesel, but he couldn't find himself it in himself to bring up the drone that hit us train on the Polish border, it kind of tells you all you need to know at the moment about where the White House is putting the pressure, right? I mean, we've seen this movie before every time we think that maybe they're going to cut Zalensky a bit of slack or they're admiring Zalensky's leadership, he then does something like this. Well, I think the, you know, let's parse up all things. I think the first one is, diesel prices are gone from four to six dollars. It was 606 on Friday here in the United States, and that's a record right now, I think. That is a record for diesel prices and it's also not related to Russian refineries at all. In fact, you've got the straight-of-our-mouse clothes, you've got the bombing of the pipeline going east to west in Saudi Arabia, but the big thing is that, and he doesn't want to talk about this, but the big thing is it's the failure of his leadership that has caused these prices, because if you workshopped exactly what he was told would happen, the worst-case scenario, we're nearing up against the worst-case scenario. So, Katty, David Petraeus is in Kiev, and he's telling people that the bases in Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, have been completely demolished by the Iranians. The US bases? Yeah, the US bases are completely demolished. He's telling people that the US bases, the restoration of those bases, are likely impossible and that there's a whole new alliance going to happen in the Middle East. The Saudis went to Trump and said, "Hey, though who these are bombing our pipelines, we need you to send bombers in and create retaliatory strikes on our behalf." And Trump said, "No, that's why they have this mecha shield with the Pakistanis, they went to the Pakistanis and said we need your help." And the Pakistani said, "No, both sides don't want to escalate the situation, but you've got the Saudis now playing defense with the Houthis in a situation that we would have thought was unimaginable as recently as six months ago." So, so there's a lot going on at the same time, but Trump being the master of distraction wants to focus on Zalinsky, so he kills two birds with that, right? He gets the gun off the bird of what's really going on that he calls, and you tell me, Caddy, because you need to push back on me, I think he's a full-on agent of Vladimir Putin. I think he's a full-on talking head of the Russian government, and he says and does exactly what the Russian government wants him to do, and there's nobody more pleased than Vladimir Putin when Trump is calling from Ireland with the stupid hat on for Zalinsky to stop bombing Russia. So, I need you to push back aggressively on me with your your BBC rhetoric and go quiet at me, and tell me that Trump is not a Russian agent. Go ahead. Look, actually, the funny joke at the moment this week in Washington ahead of the midterms, and how everything the president seems to be doing, including offering those $5,000 checks that Adelson and I spoke about last week, everything he seems to be doing makes it look less like he's an agent of the Russians and more like he's an agent of the Democratic Party, because he is trying to hand the midterms to the Democratic Party. That's the joke at the moment. But I think, look, I don't know if Trump is an agent of Vladimir Putin. I don't know if he was a useful stooge that they used. He's probably somebody they lot watched all through his rise in real estate. As the Russians, watched Epstein, they liked to know what players were doing in America. They liked to get close to them. They liked to see if they could use them in some way. It didn't necessarily make them a full-blown willing agent. I don't know that. What I do know is that every turn, it is Zelensky and the Ukrainians that the White House blames, and it is not Vladimir Putin. And you had a perfect example of that just this weekend, because there was this conference, this yes conference, a delta conference in Kiev at which all these dignitaries are attending. I knew people that were at that conference who nearly got hit, by the way, by those jet drones that attacked the train station. It was not a safe place to be getting out of. And there you have Jared Kushner dialing in from his perfectly safe place into the conference, telling a room full of Europeans that Vladimir Putin is very committed to peace. And the only issue now is that the Ukrainians will have to give up the land in the east of the country that the Russians want. I mean, it's harder to imagine more Russian aligned talking points, because of course, Anthony, as you know, in these kind of negotiations, it's not just what you say, it's what you don't say. And Jared Kushner did not dial into that conference and say, "Russia attacked first. Russia is trying to take away Ukrainian culture. They have taken Ukrainian land. They have committed war crimes." He didn't say they have decimated daily life at the moment for civilians in Ukraine. He didn't say any of that. He didn't put the alternative scenario at all. All he said is that there could be peace, but the issue is Ukraine won't give up the land. That Kushner appearance, which by the way I'm told was met with kind of derision in the room, tells you kind of all you need to know, because of course what is Kushner also doing on those trips he does to Moscow, he's not just talking about Ukraine, he's talking about business deals. - You're not doing a good job, Cadet. - I'm not doing a good job. No, you were supposed to convince me that Donald Trump is not an agent of Vladimir Putin. You're not doing a good job. - It's the follow the money. Is he trained by the GRU? - I don't know. I think he's got a compromise on him. I think he's got the guy nailed and he's just spewing the stuff that Putin wants to hear. - I think Kushner and Wykhov have confused the lines and I think there is a naivety, frankly. I've been listening to Ann Applebaum who's just written a great cover story, by the way, on the front page of the Atlantic. We can put that in our newsletter. It's super useful to read, but she's making the point that actually it's super naïve because Kushner and Wykhov are going to Gaza. They're going to Ukraine. They're going to Russia. They're going to Iran. And in all of those cases, they are assuming that those countries will act purely out of self interest when it comes to money, that they will do a business deal. And now, actually, all they've done is they've handed America's adversaries a tool. Now all of those countries and the Gulf States know, how do I get a response from the White House? Oh, I just put money on the table 'cause that's all it motivates America right now. - Let me throw another one at you 'cause now I'm throwing strikes from the Mount. Let me throw another one at you, okay? See, I think the Poland border strike is actually a credibility test. So just hear me out for a second, okay? If I'm Russia, I'm going to hit infrastructure near or as close to NATO territory as possible with Western leaders in Ruta. I'm not going to kill the Western leaders. You know and I know they could have killed the Western leaders very easily. They could have hit the Western leaders. - They were on a different train and they gave them time to evacuate. But that tells you something about where Moscow is. Moscow wants to see if there's going to be any U.S. response to what they're doing, okay? So the escalation ladder in the minds of the Russians is free to climb, okay? Silence is a signal. Now one of the things that they told me, okay? And this is coming from the agency itself. And this is nine years ago, but I don't think it's really that dated is that Putin is fearful of a direct conflict with the United States. He is fearful of that, okay? And for a whole list of reasons, but the main one is the United States, even in its decrepit munitions situation, would probably have full on air superiority over the Western side of Russia very quickly. And so this is an escalation test in my mind. It would help if they hadn't overstretched themselves and used them long-range missiles in Iran, but anyway, yes, back to your point. - Okay, but the point I'm making, and I want you to push back on me or agree with me or tell me I'm wrong, is that they're trying to send a message to people that a Mevidez said last week, "Hey man, Lithuania is not gonna exist soon." The NATO is not gonna, if we come into Lithuania with our tanks, we're gonna erase Lithuania from the map. NATO is not gonna do anything. You're not stupid enough to engage with us over Lithuania. You see what they're doing? This is a creeping strategy by them to knock NATO into the ground through bullying and intimidation. And they've got this, am I allowed to say asshole in this podcast? 'Cause I'm just gonna flat out say assholes. If you don't wanna sit in it, am I allowed to say asshole? We got this asshole in the White House that has disavowed the Western Alliance. He stopped the funding of military aid to Ukraine. He's disavowed Canada. He's gone after the UK, the French government, the German government. And he's doing exactly what Vladimir Putin wants. So to me, it's not impossible, that you have a Russian tank incursion in a place like Lithuania, where the President of the United States says, I'm not invoking Article V to help the Lithuanians. Now you'll have to tell me if the European nations will do that. But this is what Putin wants. Because let me tell you, that would be the disaster of disasters that he goes into the Lithuanian and the Americans do absolutely nothing. - We've mentioned this on the podcast over the last few weeks, a number of attacks on European facilities that are helping in Bulgaria, in Italy, in Spain, the attempted attack at Leipzig Airport, there was, the Germans say, has Russian fingerprints all over it. I mean, they are definitely stepping up. There are attacks on NATO countries and they are definitely taking this moment while President Trump is tied up in a war of choice in Iran that now risks expanding, as you've just mentioned, because the Houthis are getting involved. They may have to send ships to the Red Sea, as well as the Straits of Hormuz. So America is looking, distracted, vulnerable, has the midterms, and the signal that Trump is sending out everywhere around the world is, oh my God, I got involved in something that I wish I hadn't, now I can't get out, no more wars for me if I can possibly help it. And so that is a signal that goes to the Iranians, and they're receiving that signal loud and clear, but it also goes to Vladimir Putin, this is not, this is a time when Putin wants to test the NATO alliance, and he's doing it, I mean, I'm not saying he wants to, he's actually doing it. We saw that with Leipzig. So I think you're right, and I think all the while, when Jared Kushner dials into a conference and says that Putin is serious about wanting peace and gets kind of derision in return, it's because everybody in Europe knows, because they're feeling the attacks, the Putin is not serious about peace, either in Ukraine. - How do you use it 50%? Is it 50% that the Russian army could invade Lithuania? Is it 0%? Is it 20%? - I don't know that a full-scale invasion because they are very tied up in Ukraine at the moment. The stats on how many people they're losing, something like 1,300 Russian dead or seriously wounded every day during August. I mean, this is a blood bath for them in Ukraine. They need everything they can to fight this winter in Ukraine. But I think what we're gonna see more of are these, I don't know that a full-scale invasion because that feels kind of redundant at this point. You can do an awful lot of damage, which is what the Russians are trying to do with drone attacks, with hybrid warfare, with subverting elections. I think that is the route that they're more likely to try. - Okay, we're gonna take a break, come back, and talk another about the latest around AI. Talking of scary things, Washington is on red alert this week. Oh, except the members of Congress who are out of town and won't be back for a while. And there is no rush to deal with anything, Anthony. No rush we hear from the Speaker of the House. We'll be right back. - Imagine setting your makeup. Then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. Delta mist technology locks in your look for up to 24 hours, with flexible all-day comfy grip. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plump, dewy, hydrated skin. That still feels like your skin. Try new grippy setting mist from Maybelline, New York. - Maybe it's Maybelline. (upbeat music) - Welcome back to the Respiratings US. Katty and I are going on tour, guys. We're going to see you in a city near you. You go to theressespaldexus.com. Look up our trip. You can ask us questions on that tour. I'll be signing books, Katty. Take a look at this, Katty. Look at this, huh? It's by UK version of all the wrong moves. Look at this. - It is pubweebs on the back, where I had to like blackmail and potentially threaten death and threaten people. - That's the way to my check actually. Is that coming soon for the person back? - Yes, Katty of course is. - I'm usually there's a few of these. - Anyway, I'm very excited. - Are you a finder's fee for that? - Using Michael Lewis when you wanted to. - It's good. - Choosing me as like seventh or eighth in the list. That's fine. - I was going to say congratulations on pubwee. I'm super excited for you. This is going to be fun. It's going to sell really well. - All right, so we got an AI warning. You're the guru on AI. So what's going on in Washington? - Well, I'm very glad to say I'm not the guru on AI. I'm as mad as much of a guru as all the people are on Capitol Hill and they're certainly not gurus. So it's been I think a very dramatic week in America. I think I hate being hyperbolic, but I think we will look back at this week as a turning point in the whole issue around AI and the politics around AI. So we spoke about this on the pod last week. All of the warning signs that were coming out of the AI industry saying this has to now have checks on it. We need to what's called paste the frontier. Make sure this slows down on Saturday, Dario Amade, the head of anthropic, wrote a nearly 4,000 word essay in which he laid out a plan for slowing down AI, which was included embedding evaluators, getting AI companies in democratic countries to coordinate with each other, to slow this down in order to police it more effectively and then having some kind of global coordination as well. I read the whole thing and what he says has happened is that over the course of the summer, just this summer, and AI has been advancing as he says drastically faster, and he is connected. concern. This is what he says in the essay that a swarm could take over the entire internet within six to 12 months. The essay is really worth everybody reading. It's very sober. But anyway, you're hearing these alarm bells. And now you have Sam Altman, Elon Musk, all saying Dario is right. We need to do something fast. But Anthony, the speaker of the house, Mike Johnson, he was on Meet the Press this weekend. And what does he say? Does he say we need to go fast? We need to get Congress back. They're on holiday at the moment on recess. We need to move fast because this stuff is getting accelerating every single day. No. Dear Mr. Johnson says we do not want to rush into anything. We do not want to rush. We want to take this slowly. We want to get the heads of the AI companies who don't agree on anything to talk about this a little bit more. We want a lot more talking. Anthony and a lot less doing when it comes to AI. I mean, just it was a weekend of head bending extremes. Tell them why you saying that? Why is he saying that, County? Well, I mean, he is saying that because the boss, Mr. Trump also came out this weekend on the edges of his golf tournament in Ireland, totally downplaying the risks of AI. Mr. Trump said it's going to be great. There are a lot of very negative forces that are bringing up the risks. That's not going to happen. It's going to be great. We're going to win. The winning is going to be bigger than you've ever seen. We have to defeat China. Trump is saying something that the rest of his party is now listening to, including people like JD Vance and David Sachs, who are dismissing the safety warnings that are coming out as an incumbent's ploy to lock out all of the competitors. The fight is not necessarily left versus right. The fight is those people who want to accelerate AI versus the people who actually know about this saying, hold on a second, guys, if we accelerate AI, humanity could be extinct within the next decade. There is Donald Trump saying, no, keep going because I think, I don't know what you think. I'm just looking at the kind of startups that Jared Kushner has involved in his $30 million AI startup that he launched last year. I think there are a lot of people around Donald Trump who think they can make money out of this and so they don't want to slow down. Is that too cynical? Am I being too cynical? It was just the first half of this show made me more cynical. I think you're too nice, I think you're too nice, Gary. That's not cynical enough for me. It just cannot be cynical enough for me because all of what you said is true, but there's an underlying factor while the house is closed. It has to do with Thomas Cassie and it has to do with the Epstein files Transparency Act 2 that he promised he would push in the house and he would force the house to vote on, which you and I both know. There's over 300 members of the house that would vote on the disclosure of these files and let state attorney generals and victims and members of Congress sue the just department for releasing the files. They fail to release the files and follow the rules. Would it Trump say to his lackey Johnson, close the house, send him all home, so the house is going to be open for four days and that's the only time we're going to have between now and election day so that the Epstein situation is completely crowded out. You want the AI to kill people? I don't care. I don't want those Epstein files getting out and you're going to make that happen and so he'll blot of the blot on Sunday news and all that other stuff. Everything you said is true, but you got to understand. Massey only has until January and his number one goal is to get those files out and their number one goal is going to be stopping him. So Massey has told me he thinks the files are never going to come out and that the Justice Department will stop it. I'm going to push this one step further though. I think that is why house is out because they don't want the files to come out. You do have some bipartisan cooperation on this. You've got Ted Lua Democrat, Nathaniel Moran, a Texas Republican trying to introduce the Kill Switch Act. There are a few members of Congress that understand the urgency of this, but I am not convinced and need that even if Congress was in session even if they were called back into session, there is either enough political will, enough institutional knowledge of what AI really is and what the risks are and enough young people who get the tech to actually do anything. How much confidence do you have in Washington's ability, even if they were not the Epstein files, to actually move fast and put in some kind of regulatory framework. Even though Johnson says we don't know what to do and the AI companies don't even understand it, that is not true. There are people like Amadei who would propose frameworks. How much confidence do you have that Washington would be able to get it? Together and do anything fast about anything at the moment, because I don't. I have low level of confidence, but there's a very popular figure in the Democratic Party and his name is Barack Obama and President Obama. That was interesting, wasn't it? That was interesting. He's gone to his buddies in the Democratic Party, his guys. This polls at 68%. So 68% of the American people are calling for a pause, which you and I both know is a very rare cross-partisan issue, the whole thing related to AI. He believes if the Democrats move on this consistent with what Dario was saying in his essay, Democratic leadership will be able to rein back in some of these tech donors. He's also saying privately, because I know some of his friends, he's saying, "Hey, man, whoever breaks on this first gets a populist issue, Caddy, that isn't about the culture war. You know the young people and the people that are voting for the Zora Mondani's or even the Wackadoodles that are voting for Trump. You know this is a big populist issue, the AI issue." Obama is begging his fellow brethren, brothers and sisters of the Democratic Party, to take hold of this issue before Trump and his team does. What's interesting about that is that Obama is very reluctant to wait in. He did it at a donor event, but he knew it was going to get out. He has not made it a habit to give instructions to Democrats running for office. He's been very hands-off. Maybe some people say he's been too hands-off, and that he hasn't got involved enough. To hear him say, "This could be a winning issue. Combine affordability with a real push for AI safety and regulation, and you could make this a popular issue." As you say, Anthony, I think is popular amongst Democrats and Republicans, but how do you then answer Trump saying, "It's all going to be great." Oh, and by the way, my son-in-law has investments in this and my kids have investments in this. That's a little aside, but it's all going to be great. Anyway, if we take our foot off the pedal, China is just going to sweep in, but then you have Xi, who is due in 10 days for a meeting with Donald Trump. Xi is also calling out whether he's believable or not. He is also calling for some kind of international cooperation. So you've got Trump saying, "On the same weekend, whoever wins AI wins, it's an expo." Oh, then this was great. It's an expression I came up with, and it's true. And then you've got Xi saying, "Actually, no, we need some kind of international cooperation on this." I mean, one's talking cooperation, one's talking conquest. So, Katie, all of that, I sort of agree with. You mean you sort of agree with because you don't think the China rivalry is real or you think, no. The China rivalry is real and America should not take its foot off the pedal in order to stay ahead of China. I think the China rivalry is real, but I think that these guys know they can create the same way, if you have a quantum computer, I can create quantum resistance to protect the encryption from being broken by the quantum computer. They know they can create large language models that effectively check and balance all of the different large language models that are out there, including the Chinese large language models. They know that, and I know that. The question is, are they willing to do that? Because what that does is it liquidates their power, that creates more decentralization in the marketplace than any of those guys really want, because remember, they're all motivated by profits, and more decentralization means that you'll have a flatter profit scale, and you'll have less margins. So, that's another big debate that's going on, but my question to you, and this is a very cynical question, so I want you to put your cynical hat on, and think like a Wall Street person for a minute, is this essay really about that, or is there an underlying reason that he wrote that essay? And the underlying reason is the capex spending for these companies is wildly out of control. They all want to go public. Anthropic is saying they've been profitable the last two quarters. Nobody has seen the S1, because they haven't filed the public offering yet. But the question is, are they looking around saying, this is a match-sailing race, let's put out this statement, let's agree, let's have Altman and Musca agree with Amadea, and let's get the capex spending down, okay, leading into the IPOs of these companies, so that we'll have more underlying profits to show the investors, and then once we get the public money in place, we can go off to the races again. Am I being too cynical because if I am, which back on me? I would say clearly there are IPOs coming up and that complicates it as actually Sam Altman said over the course of this weekend. I read Amade's letter. You read the top half of it where he lays out why he's doing this and it's possible that two things are true at once, that they are thinking about their IPOs, they're thinking about how to stay ahead. They want to exclude others by putting in a regulatory framework that might exclude others. That's what David Sacks is saying that this is regulatory capture. Look, it's working for me, I don't want other people coming into this. But Amade has been talking about this for a long time. Elon Musk, she has been talking about this for a long time. And Amade's argument, and it's not just Amade, the whistleblowers who are coming out of the company, is they are not trying to influence the IPOs at this stage, they've left, right? There are enough people in the last few weeks who actually understand the technology, who are saying we are getting to a point where this technology will be more powerful than our ability to control this technology. So I think the concerns are genuine, I don't see how you can look at what has happened in the last few weeks and think, oh, this is all just a business play. I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me anyway. I would urge people to read Amade's letter, particularly the top half of it, where he talks about what's happened over the course just of the last few weeks in this technology. And I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe this is just a Marbelle moment. May not be a business play, but they are benefiting, like it is a business play. So again, I'm not trying to be cynical, but these guys act like crocodiles and they act like reptiles. Let's see how this whole thing unfolds. But I do know, and I do believe this, that they will continue on course until regulated. Rom said something the other day, and I was like, well, he's totally right about that. So let me share with people, Rom said, hey, I've been in government for 30 years. I've never had one industry come to me in government. White House chief of staff, member of the Congress, work for Bill Clinton, work for Barack Obama, no one ever came in as a, hey, hello, I'm here to get regulated. Never heard one person say that. It is interesting that actually the heads, the three biggest heads of the three biggest companies are all putting their hands up and say, it is time to get regulated. And maybe you're right, they don't mean it at all, but I actually think I've spoken to people who know these people better than I do, who think actually they would need regulation because otherwise the concern is a kill switch or some kind of political backlash that shuts this whole thing down. And it may be too late for that because these models may be now more powerful than that and won't let us shut them down. But there is certainly a new sense of, it is the only thing in Washington since I've been back that people are talking about, which is new, that's new, it wasn't like that a couple of weeks ago, except for the speaker who thinks we should go slowly. So nothing will happen. By the way, guys, if you're waiting for Washington to do something, go back to sleep, take a nap, make it easy, put your feet up because you won't miss anything any time soon. Okay, Anthony, should we talk about something very exciting? Go ahead. Your book out this week. Well, look at that. I'll look at that. Oh, wow, you're promoting, promoting the book, look at you. A big shout out to Joe Pickering, who is the marketing person for this book, who's like, could somebody please talk about this book on the podcast? I've probably paid the guy the advance so that he would have at least mentioned the book once or twice on the podcast. So gone, you've got a treat for the US, trip US listeners. What is it? We have put together for you guys a sign up for the annual membership to our club, where you will get a free copy of the book once you're free trial ends. Okay, so the offer is for new annual UK members who sign up via our website, therestspileticsus.com. Make sure you check in your inbox for your promo code once your free trial ends. And of course, you'll get our new member series, which is about the book, which is out on Wednesday, and we have a clip, which was beautifully rendered by our production team of all the wrong movies. It's a three-part mini series. 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