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The long-awaited next installment of the Cameron Winter Mystery Series is finally hitting the shelves. In this episode, we sit down with the author of the series and beloved host at the Daily Wire Andrew Klaven to discuss what went into creating the series and his plans for books to come. I'm Georgia Howe with Daily Wire Executive Editor John Bickley, and this is a weekend episode of Morning Wire. Every year around the holidays, we spend so much time trying to figure out the perfect gifts for the people that we love, and that's a wonderful thing. But it also got me thinking about the things that we do for our families that don't come wrapped under the tree, making sure that they're taking care of, planning for their future, giving them a little more piece of mind. That's what life insurance is about. It's not the most exciting thing to think about during the holidays, but it's a meaningful way to help provide financial security for the people who depend on you. 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And one of your favorite people here, I can't believe you haven't been in on a studio more often. Oh, seriously, we're so excited. Who are you again? I host a show. It's nothing to do. You should have said, by the way, the presidentially endorsed novel, Find Me Know Where Out. It was endorsed last night at 3 o'clock in the morning by Donald Trump. What is the backstory on that? So, yeah. So, yeah. So publicly endorsed his novel. At 3 in the morning, that means it must have changed her. Well, all I know is I don't sleep. So I was awake looking at my iPad and on X. And I saw Daily Wire retweeted it. And I thought, who a Daily Wire thought that was funny? Because that's not really that funny to do a fake tweet from Donald Trump. And I put the iPad down and started to turn over to try to go to sleep. And I thought, let me double check that, you know, and I'm like, I asked Grock, I said, is that real? I said, oh, yeah. So I went through the social and sure enough, Donald Trump said to buy my book. So that has the force, I think, of an executive order. So it's basically law on that. We have to read this. And Grock has never wrong. So that's good. That's a good thing. So I've read one of the Cameron Winter novels and loved it. It's great. This is the sixth installment. You know, I wanted to ask you about this idea of like writing a series as an author. Is that easier or harder as you go? You know, it's easier in the sense that you have this main character. You don't have to come up. Man, it's one of the biggest things that makes a story. Get an idea for a story. And then you find the character that fits that story. So it makes a difference whether Superman fights a dragon or Frodo fights a dragon. Those are two different stories, right? And so you want the character that's going to be the most interesting. But here you know what the character is going to be. So you form the story around him. That's a little easier technically to do. And it's interesting too, because it's more like real life that in real life, in a story where the one-off story, the character's going to change, he's going to die. He's going to get married. Something's going to happen that totally turns him into a different person. But in a series, the character remains not the same, but he changes incrementally like we do in real life. It has different adventures like we do in real life. So there's a certain realism to it that's very exciting and really interesting to work. Okay guys, some rare footage of my house today. I recently decided to spruce up my guest bedroom to make it really cozy and welcoming for guests. And I've been a huge fan of Quince betting for years now, so it was a no-brainer for me to go to Quince for all the textiles for this project. So first kind of embarrassing, this is a before picture. And now here is the new look, huge night and day improvement. 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Is this a sequel to the previous novel? Or is it like a TV show where we suspend belief and he exists in a decade forever? It's closer to that. I change him a little bit in age, but I never really tell you what age he is, so I don't have to change it too much, but really I'm compacting it because over the time there's a season that he goes through a spring, it's winter's fall, whatever. So he'd be older than he probably is, I kept him that way, because first of all, for one reason, I didn't know it was going to be a series when I wrote the first book, and then the first book I thought really worked. And I just thought, I like this, this is different. And my major concern, I noticed in the I wrote a certain book in the 90s that had these very flawed characters, which at the time people would say to me, why are you making these characters so corrupt and so on. Then one day I'm watching TV and the shield came on, and I turned to my wife and I said all these things I was writing in the 90s are going to be on TV in the 2000s, and I noticed that all these characters who were macho men, who were masculine men, were bad guys. And I thought, yeah, because when you outlaw masculinity only outlaws can be masculine. So I thought, what would take to turn a bad guy into a good guy? And the thing that they can't do in TV is they can't tell you what women are actually like, because of women that men become good guys, because they want to protect them, because they want to help them, because they want to build families with them and all this. And so because I am very honest about the way people are and drive my female editor crazy writing, because of the women I write, I thought, I can do this. So I decided I'm going to just show you the trajectory of this guy. And what's been interesting about it is the trajectory that he takes is psychological, he starts out in therapy as a massive depressive. It's cultural because I'm depicting an America where the establishment has collapsed, where there's no leadership and the leaders are bad and have left the individual locations. their own devices, sort of like the America that were in. And it's spiritual because he doesn't really believe in anything when he starts out. And then he's, you know, he's like a modern man. He knows that science doesn't explain everything, but he doesn't want to be bothered with asking himself the big questions. And so he's had to go through all of those phases to get to where he is and find me nowhere. And in the book that I've just finished, which may be the last one, I'm not sure. How much does politics make its way into the story? I mean, you mentioned that it's sort of a slightly dystopian America or or I don't know how dystopian it is, but is it a reprieve from our everyday life? Is there a scapegoos in your books or does it have a lot of things that people are thinking about regularly? No, it's not. They're not the political books and they're not issue books at all, but I do write the world as I see it. So I have, you know, I have a wonderful publisher, Mysterious Press. It's just a great publisher and the editor there, Otto Penseler's, the greatest mystery editor of his time. He's even older than me, which I know is beyond imagination, but of his age, he was the greatest editor of mysteries and has sustained my career after I was canceled and thrown out of other places. And I'm glad these books are really selling because it's I'm glad I can do that in return. But they're not, they let me do everything. But occasionally, like for instance, I had a character in one of the books who's a teenage girl who flirts with transgenderism and then grows out of it. And the editor said to me, you have to change this. And I said, I'll pull the book before I change it. I will not change it. There's no chance of my change. But you know, she was worried rightfully about the New York Times and, you know, about the fact that these won't get good reviews and those venues and they won't. But because of me, you know. But that's accurate. That's true to life. That's more true to life than the alternative. Right. Of course. This is the vast majority grow out of this. So the cancellation thing is fascinating to me because you do something that almost no one does, which is you have been canceled by the left in Hollywood and all this stuff. But you have not, and a lot of times people say, okay, we'll screw it. Then I'm going to go, I'm going to lean in to the hard ride or I'm going to lean in to the political or cultural messaging. You don't do that. You stay true to who you are. You're just a human being presenting people. This is what I'm struck with with the Cameron Winter novel that I loved, that I read. It's so human and so accurate in terms of human psychology, the emotional sort of journey and all that stuff. That's what comes through in your work. It doesn't, it doesn't feel political and cultural. Has that been like, is there a poll for you to do things that are on the nose, you know, right or something? Occasionally. You know, I have had editors come back to me, especially Otto, who's just like a great friend and all this and say, this is too political. Not meaning that he doesn't agree with me or he would bar it or ban it, but that it didn't fit the way I write, which is about human beings. No politics is going to solve the problem of human beings. Human beings are bent, you know, and they're sinful and those things are going to remain. I don't think there's a perfect politics. I don't think anybody's going to come along with a program that makes everybody happy and all this. And so I'm writing about people in situations where the challenge their flawed nature, and that's everybody. And so, you know, I've been an opponent of feminism as it exists now. I'm not an opponent of women's rights when I'm an opponent of leftist feminism, but I've written leftist feminists who are like heroic and decent people because those exist. And so I just don't let any of that get in my way of creating the characters. All I ever wanted to do is tell stories about people, you know, and tell them in exciting ways and really fun ways. I love stories with narrative drive. I love stories with action and adventure and mystery, but I always want those stories to be deeply human. And I'm not obviously comparing myself in any way, but my inspiration has always been Shakespeare. I mean, a guy writes sword fights and love, you know, affairs and battles and wars, and yet takes you into the deepest depths of human nature. And, you know, I don't compare myself to that at all except that that's the guy who taught me what I wanted to do. Now, speaking of mystery, I think probably many people, John and I have both thought, you know, being an author would be the most amazing job. And I think to myself writing a mystery of the most exciting thing, but something that is intimidating to me is the idea of like backwards planning a mystery so that it's unveiled at the right pace and that it all hangs together. At the end, how do you approach that? Is it as methodical as I think it is or is there the same meandering storytelling as you would do with a narrative? No, it's pretty, I'm an outliner. Like people, there are people really good writers who aren't. I find those people, I think Stephen King is one, Ruth Rendell, one of the great mystery writers of her time, never wrote outlines. But I find that people who don't write outlines write the same five books over and over again, and I wanted to catch those repetitions. So when I outline, I can say, you know, I've done that before. I've had that go on for, and I could just cut it out and redo it. The thing about outlines, though, is they break down and characters come to life and they don't want to do what the outlines they should do. And that's kind of spooky, especially, I've had a couple of these books, they're, you know, did not all who done it, but many of them are. And I've had a couple of these books where I got to the end, I thought, I don't really know who done it, you know, and I'm going to have to find out as I go along and just sort of hope it hangs together. And you, it almost always does because the outline doesn't let you fake it, you know, but outlines are only so good as the characters will stay within them and they don't always do that. And I imagine it's also hard to retain the soul of it if you are trying really hard to stay rigidly in the outline. We've talked a lot about, we talk about movies and TV when we're not talking about news that we have to talk about all the time. But, you know, the idea that relational investment in TV series characters and novel series, that's part of the power of it and that's part of the journey is longer and more, it's actually more human, it's more realistic, all that kind of thing. And I imagine that's enjoyable. The, I would, is there any thought of, is there a way to turn this into a TV series or something like that? Is there another version of this series that can come to life in the future? You know, as you mentioned, I feel, I can't prove this at all. I feel that I was blacklisted in Hollywood after I started speaking politically, my career, which was very, very active, stop like that, you know, and I thought that my, my phone had broken, you know, I mean, that's how quickly it happened. I'm not sure that right now that, that would not still be true. Things are changing, but not as much as we would hope. And there's still a solid establishment in place that is woken would not like, you know, I'm like a little hot to handle. However, however, having said that, I do plan to go out there soon and see if I can find somebody just to handle the books because I left my agency. I thought that I don't want to pay them for doing nothing. And, and I don't know that it used to be that agents would handle just books and to sell to the movies. But nowadays, I'm not even sure they do that anymore. They may only handle screen writers, which I don't want to become again. I didn't like it all that much to begin with. And, so I don't know, is it possible? It's possible, but still in a pill. Come on. Maybe at the daily wire. Just floating out of your desk. Come on. Well, we're very excited about this. We're always excited about anything you're doing. I'm saying this very sincerely. We have, we talk about you a lot and your projects are, but your project, your work here at daily wire isn't incredible. And you've got this whole, this huge audience, and we're excited to see where this one goes. But thanks so much for coming on. It's a pleasure to talk to you guys. And I think it was very flattering. I appreciate that. That was Andrew Klaven, host of the Andrew Klaven Show and author of Find Me Nowhere. And this has been a weekend edition of Morning Wire. The sun starts going down earlier. The nights get a little cooler. And suddenly, staying in with a good buck and getting to bed in a reasonable hour sounds pretty great. 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