Trump Abandoned By GOP After His Plan Backfires; WH is Imploding

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But we are certainly hopeful that the president and his team and MAGA Inc. will be engaged in some of these races. What do they tell you? What do you think? You think Trump's going to give? Any of his $400 million? Yeah, I think he'll spend some of it. But I think they're going to wish that he hadn't because the reports on it is that he's not going to spend it to go help Ken Paxton or go help any of the other candidates. It's that he's going to spend it to talk about his own record. And he's so narcissistic that he can't get beyond the idea that America is not having a golden age, that these Republican candidates need to be better defined. They need to go after the Democratic candidates. They're not going to do it. And all summer, Republicans have been saying, just wait. The polls aren't reflective. Like, Donald Trump's going to spend all this money and that's going to change things. But we might be in a situation where the election is already baked. And now all they have is just trying to do something. Yeah, and don't you think, I mean, I think when it comes to like money, pardons, he loves dangling something over people because he's a very petulant, small little man. And so I think he wants them on begging. And then he can say in a humiliation ritual, oh, you know, the Senate majority leader's begging me to get involved. And so he's going to use it as they want me involved when really what he's wanting is this money. And Donald Trump. I heard that he was going to make the convention, the midterm convention, all about him, the Trumpapalooza, which I'm all for. What are your thoughts? No, I think it's great. It's an in-kind contribution of the Democratic Party. I appreciate the Republicans for doing it. Apparently, he's going to speak every night. Like, God bless. I don't know what I did to deserve that. I think the other thing that's at play here is he's desperate for them to pass the SAVE Act, which is really about federalizing America's elections. I think the fact that John Thune will not kill the filibuster in order to pass that is the reason. Donald Trump is withholding this money, and I think he wants, I think at this point, for Republicans to lose the midterm elections so we can blame it on that and continue to further degrade people's trust in our elections. So I think that's really what it's about. Because he said, there's no reason for anybody to be mad at me. They're mad at the Republicans. They love Donald Trump. Trump's doing a good job. They're mad at the GOP, which is not true because Trump's approval rating is lower than the Republican Party's, which, by the way, both of them are lower than the Democratic Party's, which is also pretty low. Basically, people hate everybody right now. Yeah. OK. This is a hypothetical question. OK. But if you were. If you were hooked up to True Sermon, a polygraph, and somebody asked you, how many Republican senators do you think deep down want the Democrats to win so that they can put up a guardrail that we can't because we're too chicken shit? I, no, I don't think that's the way they think. But I do think they want us to win because they like being the dog that chases the car. The thing about the Republican Party is they have no new ideas to improve your life on any level. Like, what's the Republican health care plan? What's the Republican economic agenda? I couldn't tell you what it is. What I can tell you is I know there's a lot of stealing and there's a lot of thieving, but I think they like being just that dog that chases the car. I mean, I was on Fox News the other day getting yelled at by Clay Travis about trans kids for the thousandth time. Oh, my God. I just was like, Clay, you need some new material. Like, what is it? And I think it just goes to show you they don't understand why they won in 2024, which is really about the economy. So they never developed any actual solutions to deal with the economic crisis because that they're trapped on, like, let's attack trans kids for the thousandth time. That'll scare suburban female voters into voting for. Republicans in the fall. It's not going to work because that's not why they won in the first place. A, but B, it's because they're in charge. When you're in charge, you get punished for everything that happens. That's what happened to Joe Biden. There were a lot of things that wasn't the Biden administration's fault or Kamala Harris' fault, but they got blamed for them anyway because you're in charge. And they just don't get that. All right. So they're going to put Trump out there front and center because he can't help himself. And he is the Republican Party. He is the brand. He is all they have. And so his cabinet members, like Scott Besant, who's a billionaire, they're out. They're doing their own sense of stumping. And he says something rather interesting about Democrats. Let's play the clip about socialism here in the U.S. When we look at the demographic of those voters, they are overeducated and under earning. Yes. So these are underachievers who are who are jealous of those who want to go and work every day. So he's basically saying that Democrats don't want to work and are lazy. Yeah. This messaging that somehow. We're jealous of MAGA is really a tell on them that they genuinely are lack fundamental self-awareness in any capacity at all. And they live Scott Besant, Donald Trump, all of the billionaires that kiss the ring. They are so detached from the normal American experience. These people do not go through TSA lines. They don't drive their own cars. They do not go to the grocery store. They have probably in 10 years. None of. None of them have ever pumped gasoline into a car. I would bet that Donald Trump has never pumped gasoline into a car. Why would he have ever pumped gas? Right. And he was born with a golden spoon up his ass. So was Scott Besant, by the way. Like Scott Besant is not a self-made billionaire. And by the way, he looks like a guy who just laid off your dad. And it's just I they keep putting out these guys. What's the other little weasel guy's name that they have on CNBC all the time talking about how great the economy is? I forget I can see him, but he kind of looks like the energy vampire from what we do in the shadows. Have you seen that show? No, I haven't seen that show. But it sounds like you're describing Stephen Miller. Yeah. It's not. Stephen Miller, though, is somehow somehow less charisma than Stephen. Oh, God. I'll find his name later. Somebody in the comments will pull it out. I appreciate whoever you are out there is pulling it for me. But but they they are very disconnected from the day to day lives of most Americans. They're disconnected from what's actually happening. I mean, today we got the jobs report from ADP and we I think we only gained like 30,000 jobs. We lost 17,000 manufacturing jobs. You can tell those 17,000 workers who just lost their job that they're lazy or that they're jealous of MAGA. Like, I'm not jealous of MAGA. OK, like I'm doing well. You're doing well. It's fine. There are a lot of people, though, that. I think believed in and trusted a system. So think about all of the coders who went to school for a long time and took out massive amounts of student loan debt in order to get those coding degrees. And now AI is basically eating those jobs alive. And you see that in the jobs numbers like those jobs are shrinking right now. It's like people are mad. People want to work. I've never met anybody who didn't want to work. For the most part, people like it to be a little bit easier. I just they're so disconnected. Same thing that Carolyn Levitt did like a month or two ago when she came back from maternity leave. She went on Fox News. She was like, oh, all Gen Z are lazy. Like people in my generation are lazy. They just don't want. They want to work. They want everything for free. Like nobody wants anything for free. We want basic infrastructure that helps support our lives. You wouldn't tell seniors that they're lazy because of Social Security and Medicare. I just don't. Don't you think that this is a part of the Republican lie since Reagan that poor people are lazy? This sort of demonization of the poor as a scapegoating tactic while the very wealthy are fleecing the country. And if we look at the deficit right now, 40 trillion dollars, that tells me we don't have a whole lot to show for it. Except for a bunch of wars started on lies and we have spent trillions of dollars on the United States military. It's still not enough. They still want more. Pete Hexeth, the most incompetent military person in the military, is in charge of the military. He's the only one left who works there now. Yeah. And it's just I think a lot of this lazy stuff, it started under Reagan and this demonization, the scapegoating. And I think as people wean off of corporate news and good for you for going on and throwing. Truth bombs all the time. But as these spaces build and build up that stuff that Scott Besson is saying, it just doesn't land. It's not relatable in the world anymore, because if anything, when I think of lazy, I think of the guy that gets up and goes to work every day and falls asleep on camera with RFK Junior speaking right here, which is incredible to be able to take a nap with RFK in his voice right here. It's so grating. How does he do that? It's honestly incredible. I like to know what drugs he's on. I wish they'd be transparent with his medical records because maybe I would sleep. Better at night, despite the cocktail. All right. And here we have so we have they're going to trot Trump out. They have gerrymandered, which a lot of people are now calling dummy man, because it's not working out very well. And now we have really a whistleblower with the United States Postal Service. And Trump has had to be in his bonnet about mail in ballots since Joe Biden beat him in 2020. And this whistleblower, this brave whistleblower comes out and talks about how if one of the. in a bundle of 10, 10,000 was mismarked or something. Then instead of just throwing that one ballot out, the United States Postal Service would just trash all 10,000 of them. And so we have this final guardrail, which is our midterm. And we have all of this election interference slash cheating that is going on. And Robert Garcia, who I just absolutely love, the congressman from California, is responding to the whistleblower report. Let's play the clip. USPS is in the jurisdiction of the Oversight Committee. We need to have immediate hearings, bring in the Postmaster General, bring in folks from the Postal Service leadership there to understand who was giving the direction, who was trying to gain access to vote by mail, and trying to essentially rig the election in the midterms and in 2028. What's the intersection of incompetence or just outright ability? And I don't know which it is, but I think we can guess. They're going to do everything they can to steal the election. I think we know that. Donald Trump's been really honest about that from the SAVE Act to this, to everything else. By the way, Donald Trump votes by mail. I just want to be really clear about that. It's secure enough for the president of the United States, but it's not secure enough for you, because they don't like the way the democratic states handle it. They complain about California counting the ballots that arrive after, but are postmarked before the election. But literally the reason California takes so long is that it has the most secure elections in the nation. Illinois is like right behind them in terms of the way that they make sure that all the ballots are cured correctly and that people aren't voting. I mean, they got caught lying when Trump gave that speech. It was a month and a half ago where he was talking about all the non-citizens that voted, and it turns out they were counting dead people who were on the rolls, but didn't actually vote. And so it's just like, look, the polling situation for Trump is dire. He's underwater in 47 out of 50 states. I don't know what they're drinking in Wyoming, but God love them. I think it's Wyoming, Idaho and Arkansas. Those three states are still above water. And I could be wrong about that, but he's at 31% approval rating. There's no chance that the Republicans are going to win the midterms unless they cheat. That's all that they do. So, they try everything they can. I just think the wave is going to be too big for them to be able to rig. So, now hopefully we got enough attention on all this stuff to make sure that they can't get away with it, but it's a scary situation. And I think people need to be careful about what they do. If you're going to mail in a ballot, make sure you check to make sure that it was sent. Or if you're living in Texas right now, they just removed, what, 1.2 million people? They put them on them. I forget the name of the list, but basically they were saying that they couldn't confirm your address. So, now they've put you on a special list. You have to vote provisionally in the fall. And they just closed, I think, like 32 or something. It's like 32% of the polling locations in Tarrant County, which used to be a Republican stronghold, but is now an emerging Democratic stronghold. So, they're twisting everything they can. Yeah. It always seems that the Republican party is always the one that wants, that likes to lecture everybody about freedom, but it's always wanting to take away everybody's rights. The rights of women, the rights of the LGBTQ plus community, the Voting Rights Act was gutted. And that just kind of happened. And we've all just moved on from it, just like the Roe v. Wade decision being gutted. We've all just have to move on from it. But within our own party, we have a little bit of a civil war going on. And the way I see it is you have a lot of corporate Democrats that are preservationists that want to preserve the system that the Democratic Party has evolved into in a post-Citizens United world. I'm a progressive Democrat, and I want to go back to the FDR style of the Democratic Party. I want a Democratic Party that works for all of us, works for everybody, and quits servicing the same corporations and lobbyists that also are servicing fascism. And two Democrats are siding right now with little Moses Mike Johnson. Pop this up. Punchbowl News, House Democratic leadership announced disciplinary action against MGP and Jared Golden after bailing out the House GOP. The decision by two of our colleagues to blindside the entire House Democratic caucus and join with the Republican majority to pass a procedural rule on the brink of failing represents a significant breach of trust. It necessitates a serious response, and we have asked the committee on caucus rules to take this up in short order. Yeah, what is the actual disciplinary action, I think is my first question, because like asking the rules committee to take a look at it is an actual disciplinary action. It's like the classic like Congress is like, I'm going to make it seem like there's something happening here. And like in reality, like we'll be on to the next 10 things that we're mad about tomorrow. Right. I think for MPG, like she's running in an R plus 10 race. So I always try to give her like a lot of latitude because like she's probably the best we're going to be able to do in a district like that. This is particularly frustrating. I don't think Nancy Pelosi basically came out and said she's like, I've never seen this happen before. I have that right here. Let's put Nancy Pelosi up. Nancy Pelosi on Democrats, MGP and Jared Golden bailing out Republicans to approve a rule. She says voting for the rule is something that I, as speaker, never. We didn't even consider that anybody would do that. We never had that problem. So I'm disappointed that they did that. And this is something that I will say is lacking in Democratic leadership right now. She ruled with an iron fist. She had power and she used it. She whipped people into shape. She whipped votes into shape. And a lot of, you know, super, super progressive Democrats have criticism of Nancy Pelosi. And that's fair. We should be the party that welcomes criticism within our own party because we're not in a cold. But I really long for that style of leadership in the Democratic Party right now. Yeah. I mean, look, I don't hate Hakeem Jeffries the way that a lot of other people do in the party. But this is a concerning thing. And I thought like his response to it yesterday was also sort of poor because he was like, I don't know what happened. Go ask Catherine. He was talking about Catherine Clark, his whip. And I'm like, you guys need to know what's going on. Like, you need to know when your members are going to vote against you. And, you know, both MPG and Jared Golden were saying that, like, they didn't even have anybody reach out to them to ask about how they were going to vote, which is also problematic. So maybe it's a warning sign to like, hey, you got to, like, tighten up your whipping operation or something like that. But for Golden in particular, like, Golden is leaving. Like, he's retiring. So, like, why did he do this? Like, it's one thing for MPG to go, I'm running in a very difficult district. I'm going to take this vote. And yes, the left online is going to be really mad at me and the party will be mad at me. But that's good for my brand in a district where I need to look independent. It's another thing when you're leaving and you're just like shivving the party on the way out the door. I don't understand it. But I also know that for Golden, like, my guess is he's probably got like some kind of lobbying job lined up and positioning himself as anti-socialist, which is what the core of the vote was about, I think is probably what's happening there. Not dissimilar from like what Fetterman does on a daily basis. I don't know. But it was it was disloyal and it was wrong. And I think it raises questions about leadership. I think this theory that there is a rotating villain strategy within the Democratic Party keeps proving to be true, that there are agreements that, OK, this is we're going to keep certain pillars of this corrupt system, this where we service corporations. And so they rotate who takes the votes, who gets the hickey, who. And you see that come into play more and more. And I think it's just wild that we have politicians right now and all over the country that are taking on the very entities that are dismantling our democracy. And you have Zoran, Abdul, Angie Nixon and others who are not taking corporate PAC money, who are taking on their own establishment party, plus all the fascist donors and winning. And that is like such an amazing thing. And the fact that in the middle of the party, there's criticism, of that, or there's this desire to want to sabotage Abdul El-Sayed. And I heard somebody, I can't remember who he was talking about, like, well, Abdul wouldn't be my first choice. And this is a Democrat saying this. And it's just like, I wish you had that energy towards MAGA. I wish that they had the energy that they had towards Zoran, that they have towards Abdul, that they have towards Angie Nixon. I wish they had that. Yeah. I mean, a couple of things. I don't buy the theory that there's a rotating group of Democrats that are just passing off votes because it's almost always the same group of people that are doing it. When I saw that it was two, I could have told you immediately it was MPG and Jared Golden. And the other one would have been Tom Susie. And I don't think that Tom Susie would be that disloyal to party leadership. Same thing with the Iran vote, because I think that's where that sort of started online. I think Ken Klippenstein talked about that. I don't think that that's right. Also, just having worked for a lot of them, at least in different parts of my career, I don't buy that there's that much level of coordination inside the Democratic Party. We can't coordinate a birthday party at this point. And again, I think that leads to the broader questions about party leadership right now and Akeem and the relationship with Catherine Clark. I think they've got to sort of settle that, especially, I mean, look, we're going to win the House, barring some sort of act of God, which might happen. On the stuff about Abdul and the stuff about Mamdani, I absolutely hate the attacks on Abdul from people within our party. And the folks that are going on Fox News right now and attacking Abdul and going, "I'm never going to vote for him." Almost always, if you go look at their bio, they're like an ex-administration official that now works at a pro-Trump lobbying firm. And I'm sick of that crap. I debated one of them. His name was Julian. His last name escapes me. He was a former Clinton guy, but I debated him on Sean Spicer's podcast. And I was like, "Every Democrat is better than every Republican." And I can have disagreements with Abdul and I can have disagreements with Angie Nixon. I can have disagreements with others. But I can't think of a single time in my 20 years doing this, that a Republican winning was better than a Democrat winning. Because I'm not going to give more power to these people who are horrible. And I think the Democratic Party has got to look up to that. And Abdul wasn't my first choice. I worked for McMorrow in that primary. I thought she would have been a better candidate for the general. I still feel that way. But Abdul's the nominee. The voters made their decision. People need to put their shit aside. We can get back to arguing about it. And I'm tired of arguing about Ahsan Piker. And I'm tired of arguing. And by the way, why do Republicans not have to argue about Laura Loomer, who is way crazier than Ahsan Piker is on his worst day and has way more control in the federal government because she just got Milo deported to another country? Why is a random podcaster able to get people deported? Why is she able to get the DOJ to investigate somebody like me? Because that's happening right now. So it's just. Wait. The DOJ's investigating? Yeah. Did I not send you this? No. Oh, yeah. There was a New York Times article two, three weeks ago. It's based on the old conspiracy theory that Laura Loomer created that has to do with me and my business partner funneling money to the judge in the Trump fraud case, which makes no sense. And the House Judiciary Committee opened an investigation to my company in 2024. We fought it and basically won. Now the DOJ is doing the same thing. And I can't talk about the pending litigation of it other than to say that it's bullshit. But it all starts from Laura Loomer. No, I think it's absolutely incredible that Laura Loomer has said so much just horrid racism towards very successful black. She attacked Angie Nixon, right? Yeah. Angie Nixon and Katonji Brown Jackson. And it's. She's a nasty woman as Donald Trump would say. She's really, it's really disgusting. And speaking of disgusting, the corporations that we all use all of their products, like Apple, don't know how to read the room at all. So Trump, of course, sits down at one of his kindergarten show and tells in the Oval, and he decides he's going to cross out Ontario and write America in. Nobody takes this seriously. And I would think nobody's taking it seriously. But Apple has caved to Trump. And if you open up your iPhones right now, Tim Cook, gay man, you know, a token in the fascist movement. I want to remind him tokens get spent first. He has changed our maps. To say Lake America, pop this up. Apple Maps is now rolling out Lake America in place of Lake Ontario for U.S. users after Trump signed an executive order and contacted Apple directly. This is a part of when I think about the message that needs to be sent in our midterms, like the people that I want to receive it are the Supreme Court. Of course, all of MAGA that refused. To stand up for their constituents refused to stand up for our democracy. But also all of these oligarchs. I want them to know this. We hate you guys. Like we I actually don't think we hate you enough. Right. You want to fleece the American worker. You want to try to get out of paying taxes. You're partnering with people like Scott Besant, who calls the people that work for your companies lazy. You refuse if you're Wal-Mart to pay your people. To pay your people a livable wage and then call Wal-Mart workers lazy while we're subsidizing the fact that you don't pay them enough money to live by having to pay for food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid. And on top of all of that, they are coming for every American worker's wages. It's not enough of all of the money that they have. They want robots to replace human labor so that they can then extract and suck every cent. Because it's not enough that they don't pay taxes. It's not enough that that Trump is rigging the entire system even more so than it was rigged for them to ascend to this level. They still continue to cave. And I want these oligarchs to understand that their consumer, the American consumer, is sending a very loud message. We want them regulated. We want them paying taxes. We don't want this stupid shit. I mean, nobody wants to open up their phone. I mean, let's talk about what state Lake Ontario hugs up against, New York. Nobody wants to see that shit. Right. I mean, this is something for just the bare-bone cultists. It's like, "Oh yeah, fuck yeah, America. Yeah, we're badass. We got a lake and a gulf. Fuck yeah, Trump." Yeah. It's stupid, performative nonsense, which is, by the way, the same thing they would attack Democrats for because we do lots of performative stuff that they make fun of us for. Nothing like that. Nothing like that. I'm just saying- Nothing like that. That's a false equivalency. That's the stuff that they would attack us for that now they cheer for. That's the point I'm making. Not making the same thing as what we do. I think if you're Tim Cook and your Apple, and I'm not defending them, to be clear. I actually think they read the room pretty well, and they know- I don't. Well, I think they're barreling down an administration where there's two and a half more years, and they've got government contracts and other things that they need from the Trump administration, so they're going to cave. But if you look at it right now, what's Meta doing? Meta's donating to both sides right now. And I make this point all the time, particularly when I go on Newsmax or I do a daily wire show or something like that. There's some politics, and then there's something way beyond that. Because all these corporations, all these billionaires in the Epstein class and everywhere else, they just play both sides of the game. And that's the problem, is it feels rigged, but it actually is rigged. And so, the minute that Democrats take back the House and Senate, the minute it's clear that Democrats are going to win the presidential election in 2028, which I think is likely where we're going, they're going to just suddenly go, "Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah," and just start moving themselves over. And then they're going to be like, "We've actually been with you the whole time." And so, right now, they're trapped. And the question for Democrats now is, how will we use power to influence them the way that Donald Trump influences Apple and all these other major corporations? Because all they care about is their shareholder value. That's Tim Cook's job. Tim Cook's job is to maximize shareholder value for people who own Apple stock. That's the whole thing. And maybe that's not the right way for them to think about it, but that's how they think about it. So, if you're a Democratic president, how are you leveraging that to get the things that you need from this class of people? Because Donald Trump has proven that you can sort of put these people on a leash and walk them around. So, we can do that too. And the question is, how do we do that to make sure we support American workers? I also think we need to be breaking up concentrations of wealth and power in America. There's a lot of monopolies that need to be broken up in America today. It's a big part of the reason workers are getting screwed. Dealing with AI and robotics, like you mentioned, is a huge issue. So, I think Democrats have to be prepared to use power that way. Otherwise, they're just going to do it very performatively. And then, if we just go back to the way that it was eight years from now, when Nick Fuentes is president, we're going to be in a worse situation. I want to push back on two points. Number one, that Apple is trapped. And I would add an adjective in front of that and say they are willfully trapped. The people who have pushed back and not bent the knee on Trump have gone to court and won. The people who have not capitulated have won. And the other thing I would like to push back on is that Apple is good at reading the room. Apple's CEO made up an award, made a trophy, waltzed into the Oval Office and presented it to Donald Trump. There's nothing about reading the room. I would argue that that's the perfect reading of the room because they understood that Donald Trump is a little crybaby man baby that wants an award to get whatever they want. But I would argue that that's not reading the room of where your customer base is. Right. But that's presuming that the customer base is actually the end Apple user and not their shareholders. That's the point that I'm making is Tim Cook wakes up in the morning and is like, to maximize shareholder value, which means I got to get these government contracts, means I got to keep the taxes. Which is why I want them to receive the message that what you were talking about, about breaking up concentration of wealth, they need to be severely regulated. They should not have that kind of access to a president. A president should not have that kind of access to him. If you look at the dark contrast between the way the executive of the city of New York, Zoran, is running things, it's just not an option for a corporation to do any of this because he's incorruptible. The same with Bernie Sanders. And so we have to really call out these corporations because they're playing a short-term impulsive game. And Apple is big enough and it's too big to fail. It's big enough to have set this one out. They have agency and they have autonomy and they have willfully chosen to fund fascism. A gay man that is the CEO of this company immediately paid the money and went and sat down behind a man who used a bullsh*t imaginary thing. These kids are going to school. Their wieners are getting whacked off and they're coming home and the parents are like, "Oh my God, what happened to our kid?" We need corporate, corporate leaders in the United States, especially a gay man like Tim Cook, to stand up and say, "No, you used my community and lied about my community and our corporation will be the resistance." Absolutely not. I'm not bending the knee. They've got enough money, a bank account that can choke a whole field full of bulls. And this is willful on their part. It is willful. And in my mind, in the reckoning of all of this, it's unforgivable. Yeah. It is absolutely unforgivable. I mean, I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying because you're right. They are willful about that. I'm just sort of trying to explain where Tim Cook, I think, comes from, because he loses his job if the share price goes down too much. And Donald Trump is currently manipulating the stock market right now to keep it high. He can manipulate the stock market to put Apple in the ground probably. And again, Apple shareholders and that class of people that own the majority of Apple over the course of all these different investment funds and all these rich people, they're not going to tolerate. They're not going to tolerate that. So if Tim Cook, I think in this environment, I'm not, again, I'm not justifying this for people watching. I'm not justifying it. I think if Tim Cook goes, I'm not going to, I'm going to stand up for trans kids and I'm going to go in the Oval Office. I'm going to tell Donald Trump that he's wrong. He's going to lose his job tomorrow. And we'll celebrate him and that will be great. And then he's out of the job. And so he's probably making an adjustment of like, all right, I can do more good by playing this game here, which again, I'm not saying it's the right thing to do. I'm just saying that's how corporate America operates. And Robert Reich talks about this all the time. There is no stakeholder cap. There is no stakeholder capitalism in America today, at least in big corporate America, which is about delivering back for your employees and delivering back for your end users. They're not thinking about that. It is all about stakeholder value. And once you lose sight of what you're actually doing this for, because like Apple was designed for what? Building products to help people improve their lives. It's really what it is. So we're going to help a small business owner be able to start their business in a garage. We're going to help a student be able to do better in school. We're going to build this technology. They don't really do that anymore. Like Apple's just a factory that just produces the same product for the last 20 years. It's like a slightly different version of the iPhone. Which is why- And same with Google, because Google did the same thing. They changed the map too. Yeah. Which is why I think they need to be sent a message that- But how do you- send that because the message is going to be financial but by electing people these these non-corporate democrats that uh that talk about the problem and the exploitation of these corporations and how they want the democrats to service them or they want the republicans to service them i think we need to continue from this cycle through multiple cycles to send these corporations a message that we fundamentally believe it's immoral that you the ceo makes this much and the lowest person on the totem pole the disparity in that i agree it's not sustainable and i just think we need to send them a message of that deep regulations are coming i i hope that they're coming i do i'm skeptical that they are and i and again that's to what i said earlier is how are democrats going to use the power they gain in the midterms in the presidential election 2028 i hope that they're coming i do i'm skeptical that they are and i and again that's to what i said earlier is how are democrats going to use the power they gain in the midterms in the presidential election 2028 and that that's the answer is because again tim cook i think it's just to me it's like i'm very much a realist in this is tim cook's job is to care about shareholder value so if you are the if you are uh president john ossoff in 2029 with a democratic house the democratic senate how are you using the fact that tim cook cares about shareholder value to get the things that you want because right now donald trump can manipulate these people in different ways he's manipulating them to get stupid like changing the map from lake ontario to lake america we can use that same power like my sub stack is called endless urgency because i admire the way that they use their power i hate what they use it for but i admire it so the question is honestly it's even less about the the corporate democrat versus non-corporate democrats most democrats don't take corporate back money anyway what is a real problem is institutionalism and preserving of those institutions because a lot of them don't want to make difficult challenging decisions about the things we need to do and there's a lot of talk of we should eliminate the filibuster and we should make dc a state and we should make puerto rico state and i support those things i think that that's right but that's like one step of like a 5000 step plan and like the the boldness of the anti uh uh corruption agenda we need to take on the boldness of i think like leveling the playing field for the average american is real and we need to go big and what i worry about is and this was why i didn't support haley stevens in the michigan primary by the way because she had a conversation with i may have talked to you about this last time my friend mike lux who who is a great progressive and has a sub stack um people should subscribe because he's awesome he had a conversation with haley stevens um and she was trying to get his support and he's like so what are you going to do when you get elected she goes well i think this is this isn't a time for for big change this is a time for us to like oh yeah small things and that was that was to me because like mcmorrow was out of the race and i was like i don't really have a dog here and i don't live in michigan so who cares but i was like i am absolutely not going to support somebody that's just like going to like do a little lay up there like we can't like tinkering around the edges of the affordable care act we can't just like make little changes people aren't feeling them and they're going to get mad at us they want us to go big i agree we're the we're the party of the new deal we're the party of the great society we're the party of the class civil rights i think i mean one thing i want my candidates talking about is accountability from the people that funded fascism accountability from these corporations what does the account of what does that accountability look like are you gonna ask tim cook to to take a pay cut and pay it out to the american people like i think it's again i think the point that i'm making is just from like a realist perspective is like just figure out what the they care about and let's just manipulate that because that's what trump is doing but but everything is always centering the needs of the the wealthy and the needs of patriarchy when we look at what zuron is doing he is all gas no brakes on fundamental put Lena Kahn in his, it sent a signal that we are not servicing you. And what's interesting about the way Zoran is governing is if you are following pretty closely, he is taking away a lot of red tape and making it easier for small business owners to get going. And I just think there's always this default setting on the Democratic side too, that we have to defer and prioritize the rich white man first. And then, okay, then we can get done here. And I think we have to have a political party more FDR oriented, more Zoran oriented, where we prioritize the worker, where we prioritize the majority instead of the, where Tim Cook and all of these other people realize, oh, they don't really care. I'm not going to be able to do anything here because they're going to, you know, they're going to regulate me. I'm going to, we're going to have to start paying a share. I'm going to have to pay a share. And changing the culture of this, this tendency that, that, that happens in America all the time. And we all do it without thinking about it where it's like, oh, let's make sure the businessmen are okay first. And it comes from the propaganda of the Republican party that wealth trickles down. And we have to make these people at the top so happy. And I think we're seeing right now in a really, really big city, New York, we're seeing a person who is centering the worker first, crimes down, real estate sales are up, despite the pied-a-terre tax, luxury real estate sales are up. I don't think the tax has taken effect yet, right? But. Just I was saying, not that I'm against it. I'm not. But luxury sales are up in Manhattan. And so I just think it's really interesting that we can go bold. We're seeing it happen. We can see where he's reminding us that government is, we're not supposed to be mad at the government. They're supposed to be providing services for us. And I just, I just push back against the instinct that we have to keep the businessmen happy and their stockholders happy. I'm not, no, but I'm not, I'm not saying that the Democratic party should be trying to keep stockholders happy and keeping Tim Cook happy. I'm saying that's what Tim Cook cares about. Like that's his job. We can acknowledge that and manipulate that the same way that Trump is. That's all that I'm saying. You can manipulate that to help workers. That's, that's the point that I'm making. I agree with that. I'll push back a little bit on, on, on Mamdani for a second. I think he's doing a great job, but I think the reason that Mamdani is doing a great job is actually because he's just doing basic good governance. They're on TV going, they're on TV going, Soran Mamdani is a communist. He's, he's, the streets are running red with blood and everything's terrible. And Mamdani is on camera being like, I've made it easier for you to open an ice cream shop. Like that's what it is. And honestly, like I've compared to my mayor, Brandon Johnson, who frankly, I don't think he's a particularly good mayor. And he's about to announce his reelection campaign. I think he's probably going to lose that reelection campaign would be my guess. And I feel like he spends so much time on like these big, bold ideas that he has that he can't actually implement. And I'm just like, can you just fix a pothole? Like the, the advantage that a democratic mayor, any mayor has is you can actually do something that people can see and feel in a way that a president frankly can't in the same way, or a member of Congress certainly can't, but that's fix a pothole. Keep my, keep my streets clean. Make sure that the neighborhood pool, there was a neighborhood pool down the street for me that like was not open, not full forever, which was terrible for the kids. My alderman got it fixed. Right. And that's, that's the kind of stuff you can do in city government. That's like harder to do at the federal level. But I think the, one of the biggest divides of the democratic party, by the way, I don't even think is about like moderate versus, versus socialist or even like the age gap stuff, which I do think is real, but it gets a little bit yesterday, sort of like a bit of a narrative buster with Marky winning a big against Seth Moulton, which I think was the right decision. And, and I did a little bit of work for Marky. Is responsiveness, responsiveness to the people is like, who's actually responsive to their constituents right now. And that's what mom Donnie's doing. Well, I was like, what are your problems right now? How can I solve them right now? He's got that down. And like, it doesn't mean he's not pursuing his bigger ideas, like the grocery store and the buses and stuff, but like he's love he's nailing it on like basic stuff. And when you don't have to take all those calls from rich people, you sure do have a lot more time to service jumping pools and hang out with the majority. Right. You know, when you're not so busy doing all these back backroom deals and, and when you can actually govern transparently openly, it is tangible and people feel it. And can I add one more thing too, is like one of the things I think DSA has been really smart about in their organizing strategy is doing the mutual aid through the campaigns. What Kat Abogazal is doing right now in Chicago, uh, with her organization, Kapow, which came out of her house race is really smart, both because it's one, just the right thing to do, like helping support people who need it in the neighborhood, but also because you're, you're signaling that I care about you and people will trust you. If you handle the basic core competencies of supporting individual people, my, uh, not where I live now, but before I moved into, in a, in our, our new home, we were in, um, uh, the 40th ward in Chicago. And there's a great alderman named Andre Vasquez, who I think in my opinion is the closest thing that Chicago has to him. I'm Donnie actually had lunch with him the other day and he's DSA he's further to the left than me on a number of different issues. But man, if I needed my alderman to do something, he did it. Like if, if, if, if like, just to give you an example, like I, I lived there during the pandemic and I delivered masks with the guy to like people that were like shut-ins and like, couldn't get it. And like, he was always there. And most aldermen or at least a lot of aldermen, like don't do stuff like that. And I think more politicians need to get out in their community and be responsive to their community. Then they'll trust you on the rest of that stuff. So even if you're like further to the left, like Andre's probably like a little bit more to the left than the, the district that he represents, people just trust him. Cause he does the work and they'll go, all right, you can go to city hall and handle that stuff. We'll trust you. And I think that's what matters. So like mom, Donnie's doing that. And so people will trust mom, Donnie on the other stuff. Democrats need to learn that lesson and the way we run our campaigns in the quote on establishment wing of the party, which I would not consider myself in that wing. I just sort of have one foot in both worlds. Is stop running your campaign, like a startup that just like exists for a year. And then you shut it down, like be engaged in your community and build something meaningful and people will trust you. And I think that's what DSA does, does better than any other group in the country right now. I totally agree with that. I think that was one of the errors of Joe Biden. Once he got in, he governed and he had, you know, 50 years of experience in how to do it, but there was hardly ever any, uh, uh, victory laps on, on good things that they pass. And in fact, a lot of the people on the infrastructure act, uh, were. Republicans that voted against it. They were out, you know, taking credit for all of it. Yeah. Taking credit, but okay. Go follow Mike Nellis, sub stack YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, podcasts, Instagram, all this stuff, Mike N E L L I S go on Mike. I appreciate it. I appreciate your pragmatism. I just want a reckoning I know you do I want the reckoning - I know I'm with you I appreciate the people are gonna get mad at me I think it's I think it's really I think these are healthy good conversation. I really do because we want What's best for our country and best for the majority of people in our country? And we want to be a lot of Republicans in the fall and to stop arguing about a Sun Piker every goddamn day It's so ridiculous stupid so stupid. 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