‘Tropic Thunder’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, and Joel Anderson

[MUSIC] The rewatchables, maybe the last episode ever. This is brought to you by the ringer podcast that we're- >> We can find the press box with Joey Anderson, fun, higher learning, and midnight boys. And ringer tailgate with Ben Layton, and then CR. We're taping this a day after game seven of Celtic Sixers. He's- >> Do you want to go ahead and enjoy yourself? >> I just- >> Do your song, do your thing. >> No, no, no, I just go. I was just going to say, I wanted to play a little background music while I was talking. And I just need you to do something for me. Take a step back and literally fuck your own face. [LAUGH] >> CR pulled it off, Joe will be pulled it off by the time you hear this. Who knows what Joe will be playing. >> Please post that before we lose four straights of the news. [LAUGH] >> Anyway, traffic thunder is next. This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. Miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it. 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We could put blood in blackface. >> That's true. >> Wait, don't spill second half before I said. >> Come on, that's come later. >> Joe, okay, later. >> I just, I'm glad to be here though, very grateful. I have a lot of gratitude for it. >> We don't get through then, but you know, he says you cater food and everything. Did she take luck orders and shit? >> Yeah, that's true. >> That's true, you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah, you want to live in that. >> When we're watching the games and hanging out at school. >> Oh my God, okay. >> It hasn't happened yet. >> Right, because you're never here, you're in these coasts. >> That's right, that's right. >> You bet, Taylor, a lot of good things would happen for you. >> I love LA. >> And in fact, they were so annoyed with me talking about how much I loved LA, when I was thinking out on Saturday. They were like, man, it's so quiet. I'm not talking about that. >> I don't know what you're talking about. >> You did like Billy and Tate, they were just like, all right, man, we get it. You know, but I was just, I was talking about like, oh man, the mountains, the fog, just everything. It was the fog. >> The fog, yeah. >> It was a little bit of a mist settling over. >> You see LA spring in again. >> Roll bowl is beautiful, man, I'm just, I love being out here. >> Can we steer it toward traffic thunder? >> Yes, but that's what the fuck is happening. >> Okay, sorry. >> Yeah, sorry. >> It is comedy but they're the rewatchables. We've had this one written down for a while. Craig has been pushing for it. I don't know for how long. >> Five years? >> The sense day one, since the first movie I did, it's finally happening. I can't wait to see how it goes. >> I didn't even wait to begin. >> This movie came out in 2008, and see how the peak of, how far can we push this? >> Comedy's, this is it, it starts there, we did, there's something about Mary last week. >> Yeah. >> So that's like eight years. >> We go all the way through the mid 2000s and then kind of 2008, 2009 more near the end. >> This is a movie where if it didn't work, I wonder if they would have released it. You know, it's the dad's mistakes. It's like if this doesn't come off, if this doesn't play, can you put this in movie theaters? >> A lot of big stars at the time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, this guy sounds stupid, like a lot of big stars as intentional, but I think part of the charm of the movie is you know all of these guys. These are not the guys, you trust these guys. Look at the familiar faces that are our part of this movie. Even just people showing up, they get to complete buy-in because they do some really outrageous shit that you have to have trust in the performance for them to be able to pull it off. >> What's the first year that you start saying, oh, I don't think they can do it. >> I think whenever, I'm trying to remember like when a grieve Twitter was at its peak, like 2013, 2013. >> Yeah, Twitter is basically rounding in a shape right around that. >> Yeah. >> 2008, 2009. >> Yeah. >> I don't even think I'd been, I don't think I'd join Twitter until 2009. >> That's when I was too. >> Yeah. >> I was like Spring '09. So like, yeah, they're not even moving the conversation. So I think like by the time that gets a little bit of, you know, emotion and more people on there, then I was like, all right, 2013 to the 14. >> Here's what I got. >> I love the Ameri's '98, American Pie '99, fucking the pie, 40-year-old Virgin, the aristocrats, the whole Gilbert Godfrey, they make a documentary about it, bore at, no question, oh man, super bad, definitely. And then this movie and the kind of, we're about at the end here. >> What do you think ended it? Was it social media? Was it like the kind of the open of the town square of discourse and criticism, or was it, these guys all get too big and you can't mess with the money that much? Like, what is it? >> It was happening everywhere, because I felt like it was happening with TV, too, right? Because he's bound to downs, pushing them at the same time, late 2000s. >> I mean, you know what? Some of this stuff that we're talking about is pushing the envelope, is pushing the envelope in terms of how zany and daring the comedy is. This is different, though. >> Yes. >> Like, this is legitimately hitting at what some people would say are marginalized communities, special disabilities, special needs, people should I say black people, gay people. >> Via Kongs. >> Via Kongs. >> There's not a lot of movies in this run that you guys are talking about that go for this. Something about Mary is definitely one of them, but they're not that many movies that go directly where Tropic Thunder goes. >> Do you get credibility, though, when you have this many stars and proven people in it, do they get to push the envelope more at that point? >> I guess it depends on who you get credibility with, right? Because like, yeah, Tom Cruise, Ben Stiller, like all these, Jack Black, they have credibility with people. >> Downing. >> Yeah. They have credibility with a certain kind of comedy community. But again, by the time we start getting to the height of Twitter, like 2013, 2014, I don't even think they would be able to pull that off with them. Like, I don't think people would buy that shit from Robert Downing, generally. >> And when you think about the fact that this is the same year Iron Man comes out, so this is the sort of completion of his renaissance, his career revival. But he's not that far into becoming an insurable actor again when he does this. Which on the one hand is crazy that he did it, but on the other hand, it makes sense because you're like, he wouldn't do this today. I don't think anybody in this movie would do Tropic Thunder today. But because of necessarily the content, it's too big of a gamble. >> You think of the rest. >> I saw an interview he did from like 2021, and he said, well, I don't regret it. >> Sure. >> Something like that. >> Yeah, look at it. >> Yeah, do a prep, man. >> I told you I was going to do it. >> I don't regret it, but I wouldn't do it again. >> Yeah. >> He didn't say I wouldn't do it again. >> I said, I don't regret it, basically. >> I think that they had a pretty serious intellectual reasoning behind the Kirk character, which is obviously the one that's the thing that you'd be like, could you pull that off today? >> Well, I like some of the quotes that Stiller had about it, just like, look, we're making fun of actors and how movies are made. And this is like the integrity of all of this stuff, we're just taking it as far as we can go, but that's the whole point in the movie. You're either with us or you're not. >> You know, I have this in what's the most 2008 thing about the movie. We were still in an era to where funny one, I agree. If it was funny, then people would, there would be a certain group of people that would have an issue with it, problems that we could have conversations. But if it was funny, that was the most important thing. Everybody kind of got the joke together. >> Yeah. >> And if it worked that way, then it was cool. Now, obviously, we came out of that, right? We came out of that partly because Hollywood pushes out of it. There were several egregious things that happened in the 2010s. Like, you know, cast in Scarlett Johansson and Ghost in the Shell, like, cast in movies with white men, where everyone went, no, we need to have a conversation about the racial dynamics and politics that exists in Hollywood. And that kind of overshadowed a lot of the other stuff. But at this point, it was still like, if you went to this movie and you laughed at that character, that was enough. >> Craig has a theory. >> Here we go. >> Okay. >> I do. >> What was your last, when did you think the last funny comedy was, did we say this is the end? >> Maybe. >> So this is the end was the end. >> A neighbors? >> A neighbors right after. >> A neighbors, technically, came after, but it's that, like, 2014 range. I think it's mostly because, like, I think this movie is a great example of the Ben Stiller group. They were all in their early 40s at this point. They were at the peak of their powers. It was kind of like Apex Mountain for what can we get away with? And I think this is the end was the same thing for the Seth Rogen crew. They were all kind of reaching 40 years old. They have kind of done everything, like, all right, what's one last thing we can get away with? >> There was no new group that came up below those guys, which is why I think there's no tropic thunders or this is the end now, because, like, no group really, like, supplanted them and came after them. And then 2017 things changed, you know, culture got different. What's the end of the 2010s? Culture changed for me. There's also, there's a massive sea change in Hollywood, which is a lot of the people and several people in this movie, especially Downey, sort of participating in Marvel and large-scale superhero franchises. And you can't really fuck with the money on those. Like, the next "Tropic Thunder" should have been about Marvel movies, right? You would do like, I can't believe we're on movie 11 of this and you would have all the fake trailers and the documentaries and. The boys does that a little bit. It does a little bit, but not in a, this is a movie. And there was an HBO show, like a year or two ago, that kind of came and went, that was a little bit about this. But it's, "Tropic Thunder" can make fun of something and you can be conversant in Platoon and Apocalypse now and be like, "This is so funny, the way they're making fun of this." But even if you haven't seen it, you'd still laugh at some of the things that are happening. "Tropic Thunder II" is like "Scoot your eight then." Right, basically. Yeah, yeah. I have a lot of "Scoot your questions" coming later on. I think I would have seen at least the first two in the theater, but I'm not sure that that was. So, this was one of the most successful Hollywood parody movies I think ever. Yeah. When you talk about big picture of the player network, what else is in there? Where they really flew in. That was really bad one called "Best and Shows Not Now." That was really bad one called "Burn Hollywood Burn" to have some people in it. I think at this point now, it's like. Well, the studio is the best. The studio is the one. I try to think of more. The studio, I think, probably was influenced by this movie. You mentioned the "Sundere" movie. Oh, yeah. The Kevin Bacon one, right? Oh, that's another big picture. That's the big picture. Yeah, Kevin Bacon, Terry Hatcher, all those people in there. Yeah, I'm sure. Swimming with Sharks, was that one of them? Yeah, that was the agent. There's been a couple of like agent, like, curly burly. But then you know what you also have, like, around the same time as you have "Ontarage." Yeah. And Lloyd, and "Ontarage" is legitimately another thing that pushes it so far with some of the stuff that's happening that you probably couldn't do now, which is another reason why maybe that movie was like not well received when it came out. But "Ontarage" is kind of doing this same thing at the same time. You know how you were, when we were doing Ghost Busters, and we were kind of going through the montage that they have, the "Fame" montage. And you were like, this is just the fucking best. Like, I love the '80s. This was so great. '84. Do you feel that way about '08? Like, when you're rewatching "Ontarage" or you're watching "Tropic Thunder" stuff from back then, are you ever like, "Oh, it was the best, man." It's just. How is it supposed to be? It's pretty social media, though. Yeah. You're talking, you guys. This is "Harford Bill" to talk about because he's walking the line. He's got to be sensitive to the concerns of the people now, but at the same time, that was your era. Dock in the big three. That was your era. Yeah. Sarah Paylon. Get the fuck out of here. Sarah Paylon. You don't know how I loved the '08, Obama. I mean, he inspired me. I think it was like, it wasn't the last good year, but it was like the last year that everything didn't seem headed for it downward trajectory. It was also that there was enough distance from 9/11, and it just felt like there was a hopefulness, I think, as we headed into late 2000s, that now seems like it happened a million years ago. This movie benefited from being in '08 because there was no, like, out-of-context commentary on it. Like, you had to go see the movie to really know what was in the movie, and if it came out now, there would just be clips and screenshots, and it would just get destroyed before people even went to go see it. Yeah. Yeah. That is true. Now, I will say that throughout the mid-20s, I was still having a lot of fun in 2015, 2014, 2016. Like, I'm at TMZ going crazy, right? I'm still having a lot of fun. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Crazy. We haven't. We're going nuts in the city. We're going nuts. We're going nuts, right? In this, with this movie, with these types of movies, a lot of stuff happened. First of all, some of these guys, not necessarily so much in this movie, but like some of these guys started getting in trouble. Like, there's a comedy purge that happens once the me-to-movement comes out, and you start to see the way some of these guys, not necessarily in this movie, but around the way they acted in their personal lives. And really, that ripped the heart out of like what a lot of, I'm not saying that that was a bad thing. I'm just saying you legitimately lost some of these careers when we're talking about some of these comedy dudes. Like, they didn't even last throughout the scrutiny of the me-to-late 2010s. You know who it was able to avoid this the entire time was Larry David with curb. He was always able to push the envelope on whatever he wanted. And then even after everything else changed, he still kept cranking out seasons, and still even made seasons this decade, and almost seemed like he got a hall pass for it. Well, some people get hall passes. It's barkly. There's a hall pass element to it, but I think that the thing that's crucial is if you're going to make fun of other groups of people or basically anybody else, and this is what this movie actually does do, you have to beat the buddy of the joke. And Larry is always the most awkward, difficult, funniest person on curb. Like, no matter who he's making fun of, Larry is always the one you're like, I can't believe this guy needs a napkin that bad that he's going to do. And Larry always loses. And stiller and Downey and Jack Black like, yeah, they get a moment of heroism at the end, but the people who are most worthy of ridicule in this movie are the are the stars in the movie. Yeah, man, it's just a bit because I was thinking about the Palestinian chicken episode, right? And it was like, yo, like, I think he actually could still do that the day, though. I don't know, I mean, again, I don't work in Hollywood, you know, Sanders is one of my few times out here at LA, but I just kind of feel like they still, wait, don't look like that. Well, that's for like, I just fell a little in a job. It was, let me finish. Let me finish. Should we go? I think the thing is that you could still do that. I mean, the thing, the same kind of comedy that prevails and tropic thunder is still out there. You can find it on the internet or wherever it's just not, you know, a big Hollywood, it might not be a big Hollywood movie or whatever, but that you can still find people doing blackface and walking up on people calling them nigger. That was, you know, shut the bill. Yeah, shut the bill. Yeah, shut the bill. That's different. We'll talk. Oh, yeah, sorry. Sorry, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make it a comment. That's okay. I have so built, like Joel said, the inward with the R and it builds brain. I just want you to have a safe space to give us a pencil. It's like, I want a different sweatshirt. That's a line from the department. I should have asked if I had permission to do that. You do. You don't need to shut off, bro. Do it up. I forgot what I was going to say. I know you did. I had a good point. I'll remember I have from now. So it's making fun of two different genres. Yeah. All these Vietnam movies we grew up watching. And then all these Oscar-bate movies that I just feel like pre-social media. We were all making fun of this stuff and you might see it in essays and blog posts and whatever, but I don't feel like we made fun of some of this stuff enough. Like, have you ever seen I am CM or some of these ones? Yeah. These are like, like regarding Henry. We've always talked about for dramas that are now comedy's month, but all these actors that couldn't resist. And then when it would hit on Forrest Gump, then the next actor would feel like they had to do some sort of, you know, Oscar-bate movie. But I always loved that this movie made fun of that. And the Vietnam stuff is like, I kind of think about the scene in Toronto, man. It's when Clarence Warley is like, man, did you make coming home in a body bag? This is almost making fun more coming home in a body bag than it is like the deer hunter, you know, and coming home in a body bag's a fictional movie feature romance play. And a lot of homage stuff that you know if you're like a diehard fan of all this stuff, like even, even stiller's character starting to lose it at the end and thinking that it has lots of sun. He's found his people in these cities. And it's basically apocalypse now, right? But it's, they're not blatant hitting over the head with that. You have to kind of know. One thing that social media did was it allowed everyone to run to their corners, coalesce around each other. And then four things to get offended about, right? And I'm not saying that. I'm not saying people too well. No, I'm not saying people too well. I'm saying like even like right now, like the film bro community, the, the, the subjects of King Sean Finnecy, the, the film bro community, right? They get offended. Like they get offended about stuff like, this movie is legitimately making fun of the culture of the Oscars, of the culture of serious filmmaking, being an endeavor that is completely cynical. This movie is making a fun of that. I screenshot it and they have the, they have the five movies nominees. And so, Hank's is in a, Hank's is in a wheelchair. With his arm, like he wants some sort of wheelchair race. I don't know. If they put it in a show again as a, as a, as a white guy, as a white guy. And John Voight, right? John Voight. And then Toby McGuire in the, uh, Satan Zalley, which, uh, I own on four people, right? It's pretty great. So like what I'm saying is like now, there is a Holy Grail to some of his stuff. There, there would be people that would be be offended by some of this, they think, you know, the Oscars now in the conversation around it because of podcasts and all that stuff, it's just more different and robust than even I remember it from before. It's like, oh, it's the biggest part of somebody's year. Yeah. I think Oscarology was more of a niche pursuit and now it's not uncommon. I mean, maybe we have bias because we live in Los Angeles and it comes up a lot. But like, you'll hear people be like, Oh, I heard that movie has a really good shot in the Oscars. That's the dialogue. That kind of started in the 90s and it got even better in 2000s. I as a movie fan, especially somebody who had an illegal cable box for years and years when I was watching all these movies, was offended by how bad some of the movies are. You said you had a what? An illegal cable box. Don't try to understand. For years. And try illegal cable, but got it like your gym. Yeah. Don't try to get out. We paid me out of comeover. He's souped up our box. Yeah. Get all the paper bills from my channel. This is like four years. Now, this is amazing. This is interesting. I loved it. I've never heard you talk about your criminal exploits on any of that. I've talked about it. Sierra started about it. Yeah. I've been making sure. I thought maybe you was doing it. Because I think a younger person, I used to tell him about like you switch the channels back and forth really fast. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What crimes have you committed? I can't really talk about this. This is my favorite crime. I ever committed because it would be the pay per views. And they would be just on every two hours. That's fucking amazing. So these movies sort of come on like patch atoms and they would just be on on channel or whatever. Like what the fuck were they doing making the way how did anyone what dreams may come with Rob Williams. I love them. Yeah. You like them? Yes. I am Sam. Like they would just make shit movies. You're about weird. Oh, yeah. But radio is based on a real person though. You know? Somebody's movies. I mean, some of your movies are good. Some of your movies. Some of your movies are good. Some of your movies are. But also, remember, serious movies at a time were about serious topics. And sometimes somebody's like when you somebody's like they don't fit into society for whatever reason. They're having trouble like that was a serious topic. But this started in TV in the really the late 70s, early 80s with the after school specials and different strokes and these shows were somebody just sent me one today about the time Arnold and his buddy were on the street. And somebody has a teacher in front of them. This lady just has a seizure for like a month and a half and it was a special episode about seizures. I know you're going to remember this. This is how you learned about stuff. Do you remember the bin aflight when he was taking steroids? The steroids. A bunches. Oh yeah. You got to remember what he was doing. He was on acid, right? Yeah. That's how we knew about this stuff. And then eventually it drifted into movies and better shows, but still the actors and this. And so we're wrapping an incredible 11 year run as a comedy leading man which we covered in there's something about Mary. Jack Black at a really weird point in his career trying to stay on top. King Kong 2005 holiday 2006, which I think is a big one had a lot of legs. He did the tenacious D movie. Is it Margaret or the wedding in 2007? Yeah. It's kind of like a my comedy actor. What am I? So he's at that point. And then down he is CR mentioned putting together his comeback of zodiac, tropic, thunder, iron man. We're all the sudden. He's an a plus plus list. Yeah. It's starting to really happen and pick off after kiss, kiss, bang bang is sort of his like, hey, I can be bonded like I had forgotten how close that was to the time that he had been in prison. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then couldn't get in short. Right. That was it. That was the thing up to a point. I think probably when I saw this movie, I thought of Robert Downey Jr. So that was the junky. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that was a guy who was a problem. That was what he was known for. What he was. That was what all the stories were. Yeah. He was in the movie after this movie. He does fool's gold, surfer dude, ghosts of girlfriend's past and Lincoln lawyer. Like it's not going well. Well, the Lincoln lawyer is a good movie, but it does, it comes on the heels of that. He's in the movie. Is that a good movie? All right. Yeah. I think the Lincoln one is a good movie. Like, it's Lincoln lawyer. Good movie. Yeah. I think it's a good movie. I don't know if I don't know if I remember what happened. Lincoln was okay. Yeah. It's like actually a pretty enjoyable thriller, but it's like him kind of getting his footing back because he is flirting with obscurity during this time. Yeah. Like, after Sahara, a couple of romcoms that went sideways, don't know what to do with them. And then in the next decade, obviously, Dallas Barks club, interstellar, true detective. All of these things are going to bring him back. But him in this movie right now is him staying on the tips of people. The actual start of the maconnaissance. So like most of the people think it's magic, Mike Dallas Bires club, Wolf of Wall Street, true detective interstellar, in some order, but I actually think it's this and eastbound are like kind of like they're like, oh, this guy has like a whole other gear that he can play with. And also. And he also is crucially, yes, he's like, I'll play a supporting part. Yeah. Like, I don't have to lead everything. I mean, it's probably easy to tell them on that. Joe will play a supporting part. Just a line is one of the four on the rewatch. All I got to do is get some rebounds. I got a couple of picks. You know, listen to that Joe pocket, it's not like you know, listen to the tell me, Joe is out there every day. I'm a role player. I mean, Yoke, you put the rebounds assist. And that's the big board I come for. Exactly. Let me tell you when we went to Rose Bowl, everybody's coming up the van and the motherfucker man. I was like, how does it be famous? All right. Let's move. Okay. Tom. We're more on maconnaissance later. Tom Cruise. He's at another crazy point. Yeah. So far, Oprah sofa. We're in the middle of the Katie Holmes weirdness, we're with that weird Scientology interview he did. We have Paramount dumping him. And he's about to follow this up with Valkyrie a night and day with Cameron Diaz. Can I ask you a question about whether we look back at this in O8. There was a part of me that was like, is less grossment kind of cringy. Not because like I didn't like the character, but it was like, he's trying really, really hard in this moment. Like, no. So when I first saw this movie, this is the first movie I ever went to a screening, it's Shriper Thunder. It's my first screening ever that I ever went to. You took Sasha Gray. Oh, boy. Why? They'll get me started. There's some people that I've passed, especially in that place. I almost forgot what I was about to say, but I'm serious because this is one of the first screening. She's in like a, you know, we're going back to the screen. Yeah. So I actually want to start the grace. Yeah. In the movies, like, this is still, so like this is the first screening ever. This is going to sound so crazy. Y'all. Not to the end. I did not know it was him. Yeah. That's a recurring theme in the recent. I know. I know that's Cruz. And then guy Tim Wells, producer I was working with at the time, go stay. Watch this. You're really, and it's like Tom, I'm like, what the shit? And I thought to myself that exact same thing, even back then, I'm like, why did he show up in this? But he was so universally reviled at that point. Yeah. Like, it's so difficult for people. I think the two biggest comeback stories in modern Hollywood memory are rock, are both in this movie. Robert Downey Jr. And Tom Cruise. I think Trvolt is in there too. Trvolt is absolutely in there, right? That's actually a great point for like, so three. Like, he was so universally the weird guy shut up. He was universally the weird guy. He did some good stuff. 2000. Did, did some, had some golf, had some celebrity golf. I mean, man, he was a correspondent on the camp, I'll find it. Oh, Jay Simpson. Do you know who advocated for him at the Rose Bowl? Not at all. We're like, we're going in there and Joe is making sure that OJ Simpson is in the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame. It just would be absurd if he went to the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame and you didn't mention OJ. That's what I thought. That's fair. That's fair. Okay. And he was listed there among the people that have been there. But I think that's fair. But I also think it's kind of interesting to walk into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame and the first thing you say is, where's OJ? Well, I think, I think that, I think what he said is true, but I think it's about this young first. No, you don't think I did. Okay, let's go. Yeah. So you saw screening had no idea it was Tom Cruise, which was most people. Did you know Tom Cruise was in this when he saw it? That's hard for me to remember in 2008, but I watched it with Liz who I'd never seen this movie and she did not know it was Cruise until halfway through the movie. I said, you know, that's Tom Cruise, right? It was you like, what? Yes. It's really a good makeup. Yeah. And it's physically just doesn't seem like him. They also kept it in a great job. Promotional material is like they did like, they were, they, I think they sued like, it's haboid for taking pictures of him going from like, like, his trailer to the set. But there was a moment there where like, maybe it's more like after the movie came out where I felt like he was obviously not a trained comedian because he was like overworking the joke a little bit. And it felt like for a second, you could get him to show up as Les Grossman at like college gaming. Like, it's like Les Grossman was available and thought like, yeah, I think he was just happy everything. He was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did it. He did it at the end of the world. Yeah. It kind of didn't work that well, but he was just happy that people were like, Oh, it's Tom Cruise. I thought instead of being reviled, I thought more than anything. People thought he was weird, you know, and that's more than that's more than that's different than being reviled because people like, I don't know. I don't know. The Katie Holmes thing, I think, the Katie Holmes thing, but also the mat, the, the, the Matt Lauer, he was yelling at Matt Lauer, yelling at Matt Lauer at a whole deal. Like, people were like, this guy's an asshole, like, what is he talking about? He's too far going. Paramount dumping his deal was was a pretty crazy thing to think back up and the Spielberg break up, it happened a couple of years before that too. And then the last one in this, Nick Nolte, former A-lister from the 70s and 80s. Most northerly, I played Jack Hades. Are you shocked enough? He's 85 years old. Nick Nolte, how was he still alive? He's five years old. Yeah, I mean, he'd seen like the guy that should have died at like 67. I think he's the only one that they had to replace on SNL when he was guessing. That was when the famous Eddie Garth episode, because Nick would just party too hard and couldn't host it. The crazy thing is changing and look that much older and crime 101 that he did in Tropic Thunder. Like it's basically like he hit old age and it's been there. An amazing run from him. It's one of those that when he dies, nobody's gonna be like, what? No. He's he's worn his career. I mean, even we were talking about Downey, I mean, he had gotten arrested like a bunch of fucking times, like he's leading it as too. And that was just kind of, you just kind of expected that. Like I felt like he and Gary Busy were kind of like the same person to me a little bit. It's just like, oh, those are the old guys from the 80s who are always like getting DUI. Yeah, you know what? There was like a weird thing talking about the difference between now and 08. There was more of a distance. I feel like with celebrity then. So like when Downey would get arrested, you'd be like, oh, and then you'd kind of keep it moving. But now it would be like, yeah, with the first pod down he's going to go on after this. And like people writing these pair of social posts about it. But yeah, you would never be able to get a car daddy. Yeah, come on. I will say, I will say that there was something about Robert Downey Jr. at that time. No. All of the trouble that he was having, like Hollywood was mourning it. Yeah. Like Hollywood was like, Hollywood was mourning it. He had been around for so long. Yes, you know, going back to like weird science and pick up artists and all of these movies. And then he and Chaplin. Yeah. He's in the James toe back movie. He starts to get into the weird anything at the end of the 90s. Then he comes out on Alimic Bill. And it's like, oh, my God, he might be back. But then he can't stay straight for that. People were really sad for whatever reason. You could tell even in the tabloids where they were covered, how well liked he was. And they were happy when he got it together. Yeah. Like when he got straight and came back and delivered an Iron Man, delivered in Zodiac, delivered in this people were, they rolled out the red carpet. There's definitely a time back to the town. I'm just going to see Downey and US Marshals every couple of years. Yeah. And it'll be like, oh, man, that guy could have been a contender. It was almost like an athlete. Yeah. Well, you think of like, oh, man, Kenny Anderson, they're only going to shit together. Kenny Anderson is like, how many of those did we have in basketball and football over there? It's Dwight Gooden. Yeah. Um, he was the man. He was. We're going to take a quick break and then more to discuss with this movie. This episode is brought to you by McDonald's. Right now McDonald's you can get great deals all day with McValue. That's right. Jump start your day with the under $3 menu featuring a sausage McMuffin for just a dollar 50 or grab the perfect lunch with the McDouble for just 250. Honestly, nothing pairs with a movie marathon like a McDouble in hand. Gotta love the McDouble's. Get even more value with McValue only at McDonald's, but uh, blah, blah, blah. Limited time only prices and participation may vary. Prices may be higher for delivery. All right. Let's go through the characters. Ben Stowers took speed been hit a big with the scorcher franchise. They made six. I was getting this later. Let's do it now. What's scorcher about? What's happening in scorcher? Is it like a global warming? They tell you in the first trailer. The earth has stopped spinning. So in scorcher, the earth has stopped spinning. So because the earth has stopped spinning, I guess volcanoes and the atmosphere. It's like a day after tomorrow, kind of basically. Yeah. But he's like, he's like commando. He's like. He's some sort of commando who is saving people in this post apocalyptic deal. The earth has become a scorcher and it's destroyed. So each sequel, it's still the same premise. The earth has still. Yeah. I think the last one was like, he got cold. Yeah. I honestly, not against the premise. Like I would at least give one if it was Gerard Butler and scorcher. I'm like, not, not pay for viewing that. I did not know what that movie Greenland was. Okay. I did not know what it was. I thought it was scorcher. I was going to the movies. Greenland I watched for the first time Saturday. That is legitimately a fucking good movie. Dude, Butler doesn't miss that. It's a good movie. I expect the Greenland to be corny watching it. It's trying to get on the plane the whole night. Well, it's legitimately a good movie. So he, Joe, he went serious after all the scorchers. Once the bigger star in the world ended up playing simple Jack, a special needs farm boy who can talk to animals. I feel like we've got to do cops, right? Who could he talk speed minutes? I think it's Cruz. No, no, no, no. Cruz that all the prestige in the 90s. I think the reason why Tom Cruise is in this movie is because he thinks it's funny that Stiller is doing a riff off of him because Stiller had been doing a Tom Cruise. Still had been doing a lot of time. I'm Tom Cruise's stunt double thing. He's definitely Tom Cruise. I thought it was like a cross between And the Mission Impossible's and like Stallone just trying to keep the rainbow going crossed with nine other Hollywood. Well, and also those guys would often make, now, no, no, no, no, they don't think did something like simple Jack, but they would every once in a while make like a family movie where you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing, man? You're John Clark Van Dam. Like, is there a world where simple Jack could have worked? No, like was, was down for Lazarus lays out how I think simple Jack needed a special. Yeah. Yeah, you need to be good at black. If you could talk to farm animals, that's a, you're becoming asset on the farm. It's four. I'm the thing I was just trying to determine is, is four is going that far off simple Jack or not? I got to intent like good at ping pong, good ping pong. I'm talking to the president. Right, four is break down, so the time Richard Nixon. Yeah, started a running movement. Right. So score six global meltdown was supposed to be the comeback. Yeah. I like that title, too. All right. So that's him. Then we have Jack Black as Jeff Portnoy, a movie comic star with a stealth heroin problem. I would describe him as Adam Sandler, crossed with later career to Murphy, crossed with late 70s, Baluci, and Farley, maybe Farley. Yeah. Recently, the star of the Fatty's Fart 2. I absolutely would have seen this with both my kids. The Fatty's and the Fatty's Fart 2. I was sure you would imagine that. It sounds great. It's a great idea. Ben Simmons's level of interest in Fatty's overtropic thunder would have been like off the charts. No question. We would have owned it on multiple platforms, streaming DVD, great idea. Still time. The white nutty professor, man. Yeah. Robert Downey, Jr.'s Kirk Lazarus, Australian method actor. Yeah. Five-time Oscar winner. That would be the record, by the way, in which we have heard that they made him the all-time leading Oscar winner, star of Satan's Alley, and then also played Neil Armstrong in moonshot. Whatever it found out. What was the premise of moonshot? I don't know, but he had to reactivate himself to the Earth's atmosphere and coming back from that movie. And he's supposed to be a combination of Russell Crowe, Colin Farrell and Danielis. It felt like a lot of Russell Crowe. Yeah. Well, the Australian part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like him naked in the fabric. But the method reported to DDL. He was supposed to be Irish in some of the research I saw. He was supposed to be Irish. No, I can do Australia. Yeah. I had controversial pigmentation alterations. I like this shot of them in the operating room. He's like, yeah, Steve Cougan plays director Damien Cockburn. Yeah. The director of Tropic Thunder. I guess in the research that said, this was inspired by director Richard Stanley's experience directing the island at Dr. Moro. Yeah, play that. I've wanted to do. So watching three years. Did you watch a range of madness? The hearts of darkness of Tropic Thunder? The by-throw. Yeah. Yeah. So there's more Damien in that. And he talks about how he was he 50% Werner Herzog, 50% Francis Coppola, and 50% Peter Bucked out of it. And he's like, well, it's too many percentages. Uh, you guys in an island of Dr. Moro in general is a movie. I mean, I was like, well, I'm Brando. It's just that movie. How fucking crazy it is. That's I love late stage Brando. I love our makes fun of me because I made it a gimmick when at Grantland with the island of Dr. Simbo. Yeah, let's see. I thought it was the most, the most dream thing I ever did with the calm. Although I can't remember what's it. It was just like a Hodgepodge male bag that I named after the Dr. Moro movie because I was the only one that liked it. But that was another one with Big House cable box. We were just watching it over and over again. And after like nine times, he kind of got it. Yeah. I understand what they were trying to do. Right. Come, we didn't want to be in the movie is the problem. I blame I blame. That was one where Val Mildred. There would be at Grantland, like they will come up with a gimmick and then walk off. And then it would be up to us to kind of see it. But like he would be like 93 days until the NBA season. Let's do a post every day about counting it down. And then he comes back like day 61. He's like, Oh, you guys are still doing that. We're like, what the fuck are we going to say? It's August. What we did that member for the we did that for NFL, right? Because we had two sports in a lockout. Yes. So we had to start doing a countdown to when we were going to actually get sports. Yeah. Sad times. Nick Nolti has four leaf Tayback. Danie McBride is Cody Underwood. Big McBride run here. Yeah. Hot Rod pineapple. Thunder. He's bound all in three years. He's just in our lives for real. Yeah. When he's about to do the explosives. run. He's like Damian. Damian. I need to put some tiger ball. It's like he's he is really like you can tell the vibrations coming off him that he's like a significant. He's one of those that craic. Did we we have enough all NBA teams and MVP ballots for him over the years? He's like the funniest guy in the 2000s. I never became a star. Yeah, man. Could a guy like that? What kind of star kind of that? He became a like to me. He became like a force. Yeah. Like a force not like. I mean, he was. I know 12 years of HBO shows and then also creatively because he was the creative force behind a lot of this stuff and stuff like that. To me, it got to a point to where he was the most consistently funny line reader in the town. For sure. Like he said a line, the line was funny. That was this is the end versus everybody else is talking what he talks you laugh. First reason to be spinning down is say time. Yeah. Yeah. The problem was is that when you would see him outside of that arena. And like if you if you watch Prometheus and Danny McBride's improved from you. Or you can come in it. You could wrap your head around it. You're just like, yo, man, like when is he going to do Kenny powders? And it's almost like too much. Yeah, I can see that. I don't know where he ranks. I'm the funniest people of the 21st century for me. I don't know. I don't think he's over at the top 10. He just he yards like top three. I mean, pound for pound. He's number one. I don't think he's out of the top 10 for me. I'm going to mention the movie that like not a lot of people love, but it's legitimately one of the funniest movies that I love. Did you guys see your highness? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Long time. Yeah. He's sterile. Like legitimately, like it's stupid, but like hysterical. You know, the great thing about him too is anybody who's in a scene with them, they also automatically get 10% funnier. So when he's seen with Will Ferrell, you're like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. But he can make like John Hawks hilarious, you know, like the dude from Deadwood who's in Eastbound and Natalie Portman and your highness is like really funny. It's just the only person I've ever seen make not make more funny is Nick Nolte. It's just like, well, it's just, it's just Nolte. Well, that was the thing. I was just like, well, we, I guess we'll talk about it later, but out that pairing, I had a really high expectation for them, you know, when I showed my son Eastbound, when he was finally old enough, he had the same look on his face for three episodes that Jack Black does when he sees the power. It was just every funny bone possible. Just slamming. It was everything he would want. Kenny Powers. Jay Barrowshell is Kevin St. Dusky. Not knowing the same dusky thing and that and not helping you. That's unfortunate last name. I think he's really good in this movie. Yes. I was thinking about casting couch later. I'm like, oh, who shoot? And I was like, you know what? I really liked him. He's also the only one playing in the lane lines. He's like, yeah, I know I'm not supposed to be funny. He runs straight in. And then Brandon T. Jackson is Alpo Chino. Alpo Chino. Yeah. It's my god. You really are dude. It's my man. Brandon T. Jackson's a homie. Am I like he was on a run. He was on a run during this time. All big movies, Percy Jackson, Big Mama's house, like a lot of big movies. He was in and this kind of was like, he was very familiar facing Hollywood at the time. He's excellent in this movie. He is. I would not he is not on my casting couch. I would not replace him. Really? No. Because there was some Kevin Hart stuff that we'll talk about later, but like, you know, like we're still kind of in Chappelle range where he could have I think played this, but there's I think I think he's actually really good. I thought he goes toe-to-toe with everybody in the movie. He's good. He also was a business man with the bus the nut candy bars and movies. We called Bruce Williams. Bruce Williams drinks. We'll talk about him later. And then Cruz is Les Grossman. So the producer Stuart Cromp, we did a oral history of Les Grossman for Grandland. And apparently Tom read the script. There was no Les Grossman. And he said, I think you need another villain. What about some greedy pig studio executive? Since the Gross part of Hollywood, and then Cruz like developed a lot of it. One oversized piece that are cans. They put them in a fat suit bald cap. Kind of Joel Silver-ish. You didn't say it was Weinstein Silver and one other? It's weird. They in the research there, like it wasn't based on anyone, but I never believe that. I always felt like something was based on somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Joel Silver is a good one. Yeah. But I think this screaming at people was written. Yeah. And then Bill Hader, early Bill Hader. Yeah. Early Young Bill. It's assistant. And then McConaughey as Rick Peck. So that's third Peck. There was Walter. Walter Peck, Dennis Peck from Internal Affairs. Rick Peck. Yeah. Rick Peck. We should do another category that's like which Peck should be in this best Peck. And then a ton of cameos. What's your favorite cameo in this Joel? Man, you know, Tower Banks. Let's go. Tiring Tower Banks is great. I mean, because first, like she's kind of like the dangerous. I know that look. Yeah. I mean, I have, I was in the nostalgic. I mean, you don't do shit. Like there's like, that was probably the last time I looked at Tower Banks. And I was like, that's it right there. No, no. God damn. Well, I mean, nothing happened to her. I'm not mean to be disrespectful. She's a beautiful woman. She should. But I mean, everything we know about her now. She was frozen back then. She was cruising. Yeah. I avoid for his reaction. Not with the Oscar. Yeah. I got to be my choir, man. Totally wonder, boys. Throwback. Touching the prayer beads. Yeah. That hilarious. Lance Bass just shown up. He's like, I'll do it. Lance Bass. That was pretty good. They said they only had like three hours with Toby. Because he was flying somewhere. So they had to film like all this stuff. They had like this short window to get it done. He had like a poker game in the cow. He had to go down. I'm probably going to buy his game. The premise, which 10 soldiers went for return three wrote books. Only one was turned into a movie about a secret assignment in 1969. Still are the premise developed it because he was shooting Empire the Sun. He had a small part and thought some of the actors were very self-important and self-absorbed and self-involved and appeared to believe they were actually part of the military. So sure, who he was talking about. I mean, it's like Malcovitch is the person he is in that movie with. Those are the two American soldiers who adopt Christian Bale when they're on this this base in Japan. But yeah, it's hard to tell. Because I don't think of Malcovitch as somebody who would be like, I'm a soldier now, but maybe I'm wrong. You know what's interesting about this though? And I like Ben Stiller. I do think he has reputation for taking himself a little too seriously. And it's funny that he came up with this movie because he noticed people taking themselves too seriously. Is that part of the wrap? The genius part of this movie is people like all these actors are beating people to the punch with the criticism you would level at them. It's like Tom Cruise is going to like lampoon Hollywood. So you can't really lampoon Tom Cruise. Ben Stiller is lampooning self-involved leading men. You know, that means he's kind of bulletproof about it. It's interesting tactic with exception at Downey though. Don't you, I mean, I'm sure we'll talk about this later. Don't you all kind of feel like they're playing basically a version of themselves? Yes. Right. And even Downey, Downey, they make sure to put in the character this guy has like a bad boy offscreen image and stuff like that. So Downey is playing who people thought he was maybe like 93 or 94. All right. Do you still on your pod? I think I did. Yeah. Who? In the late 2010s. Aftertropic thunder. Aftertropic. Yeah. Wait. What? I was asking if he ever had still on his pod. Oh, really? Oh, shit. Okay. All right. Let's talk Downey and Kirk Lazarus. I'll just give you some quotes. Downey said at the end of the day, it's always about how well you come into the character. If I didn't feel like it was morally sound, or that would be easily misinterpreted that I'm just see Thomas Howe and Soulman. It's tough. I would have stayed home. CTH drive line. CTH just like, what did I do over here? I'm just working actor. I was thinking it because I think Soulman was one of the first movies I saw on VHS tape and we got it from blockbuster. And at the time, I don't remember thinking it was all that offensive. My parents loved that movie. It wasn't bad. We laughed. I saw this first of all. I'm just looking at you guys. No, I'm 46. I'm telling you right, my parents loved that movie. They loved it. We will watch the movie. And I remember as I got older, you know, I was like, one day, I was like, this is fucked up. Now, now here's a deal. It's interesting that he would take a shot at Soulman. We'll talk more about Soulman later because even in Soulman, the movie is attempting in a really, really fucked up way to make a commentary and critique on race. The movie is attempting to lampoon someone that will go or make fun of somebody that will go that far and use something intended to help black people to help themselves. And the movie is an exploration about what that character kind of learns about black people by doing this really stupid silly thing. But you just can't get out of the distress. Man, I don't think you can find it. I don't think it's streaming. I can't imagine that's the case with the way that four K's and blue rays are now. Well, I'm sure Sean probably. We've got to find that. Sean's got this special. Sean's got it from New Zealand. It's a big picture of podcasts about movies. Well, today we talk about soulman. I vaguely remember what happens, but wasn't he got a scholarship at Harvard, but it turns out Ray Don Chong should have gotten the scholarship. And now she's putting herself through, he couldn't pay for it. Yeah. He couldn't pay for it. Howard law school, but he took it from Raid on China. He got into hard, he got into Harvard, but he couldn't pay for it. And for some reason, his dad wouldn't pay because he didn't get a scholarship or something like that. So he got, he wanted to get the, the, the, the, the, the, the money. And he tenure is black, you know about this movie, Craig? Yeah. But I've never seen it. Just because we talked about it. Yeah. He took tanning pills. Just to get back down. Yeah. So Brandon T. Jackson said, when I first read the script, I was like, what, black face? But when I saw him act, he became a black man. It was just good acting. It was weird on the set because he would keep going with the character, method actor. I bet that was weird. Stiller said he's playing a method actor who's gone to great lengths to play a black guy. The movie is skewing actors and how they take themselves. So seriously, and then last thing, Downey was so committed to it that he did the DVD commentary as the character. Instead of Robert Downey. All right. I would go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go. I just think it's interesting that you could make the argument that he does not take himself seriously as an actor again until Oppenheimer, like he does Iron Man and not saying he's not taking that seriously. Just go ahead. But he's, he's largely like playing like there is very few roles that he does in between this and, and he's playing the character of movie actor Robert Downey and just popping in the movies. Like the judges. That's like that. I almost wonder if he got like too close to the sun on this one. Now, I'll say this, I actually think that there are a couple movies where he tries it. I think he tried it in the soloist. I think he tried it in what's the one the judge the judge and I just think he just got to a point to where to fit those movies into something that audiences were loving so much. Yes. He just went, I can't do it. I'm, I'm taking some swings I want to be Robert Downey Jr. to me always wanted to be taken. He's such a great fucking actor. He wanted to be taken seriously as a serious actor. Tony Stark was never going to be enough for him. But he also made insane amounts of money in Iron Man and didn't want to get news good. And even after this, right, he did Oppenheimer, he won and then he goes back to the MCU because now that he's proven that being to everyone, go back, give them the $170, $170, $170, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I just, I don't know, man. I kind of feel like if he had just, if any, I'm trying to think if there's anybody else that would have been able to pull this off because really, I know, I'm, I was like honestly thinking of the people who he's supposed to be lampooning. Yeah. And how bad it would have been if Russell Crowe or Colin Farrell tried to do this. It would have just been like, we can't, we got to burn the naked. Oh, I've been more black woman than Robert Downey Jones. To Colin Farrell. We got proof. You've been into it. But like, you can watch it, but, but I'll say this, when you think about it, that's actually a good point, like a fantastic point. Downey is one of the most unique talents that has ever come out of town. Like super unique, he can charisma his way through a movie. He can straight act his way through a movie. He can comedy his way through a movie. He's like, he's got a weird, Hanksie and thing, not quite the every man thing that Hanks has got going on. He can't get there. But he's, he's got like a really, really deep skill set in my life. I didn't know that he had like a comedic background. Like I didn't, I did not know, the city was a certain night long. Yeah. I mean, I had that note. That was his background. No, I mean, I, I think it's something, if you had probably gone back to like pre-chappelin before chaplain, like less than zero, some of the stuff that he was doing in the 80s, you would probably be like, this is going to be Dustin Hoffman, right? Like this is going to be, this guy could do anything and might do a range of comedic and drama performances. So for him to take 15 years, almost 20, when we get to the doomsday, to be like, I'm going to basically play Tony Stark, a couple of Sherlock Holmes movies, a couple of throwaway kind of Hollywood dramas. I'm trying to see if I can, I'm trying to see if I can fight the dramatic Apple genre. I always think about like, I mean, PTA is debated about how real this was, but like he was supposed to be an inherent vice. He was supposed to play the detective that Joaquin Phoenix played. And I was always like, man, what would it have been like if Downey had done inherent vice and like a really challenging cool movie with, with that, with PTA and we'll just never know. And I don't know when he's going to try again. There's three Iron Man's and then once he's, he's not in those 10 Kajillion dollars, he's in Spider-Man. He's in everything that they're doing. And the stuff he's doing other than that is basically Sherlock. Yeah. So 2020, it was interesting. Who was the one who pointed out that on Letterbox, this was like three and a half stars or something? Like this is a movie that some people are now against. Tropic under. Tropic thunder. I don't know. I think it's like not. Were you the one that told me that? I didn't know. I didn't know. Well, like, I said, there's something about Mary has a, it's something that Mary has like, it's either five stars or one star. Well, I'm sure again, we'll probably get to this, but let's get to it now. Well, I just kind of feel like it in AIDS quite as well as I thought I walked away feeling very underwhelmed. But because of the movie, not because of like the mist, the jokes don't land anymore. Right. The movie itself, the character. The character works as like, again, like in retrospect, I probably thought Danny McBride and Nick Nolte probably made me laugh my ass off in 2008, but as I was watching it again, I watched it twice this weekend. I was just saying, this felt like there was missed opportunities all over the place. The movie depends so much on Robert Downey Jr.'s Jr.'s performance to be a great one. It's heroic. It's a low bearing wall. I'll also say, I didn't remember this before watching it this time around. The third act of this movie feels like they're making it up as they're going along. Like it's on the day of, they're kind of like, yeah, let's have a shoot out over here. And it's like, oh, you guys kind of must stop writing the movie yet at a certain point. It, I laughed my fucking ass off like I laughed. I think when the war broke out, I was a sausage and a toe. I don't know why, like even in the theater, when that was happening, I was like, this is the funniest shit I've ever fucking seen. And then the watch branded, looking at him like, what the fuck is crazy? Like that's the funny I laughed my ass to your point. You get to a point in the movie almost at the point where they discovered he's simple jack. But the movie's just almost like, oh, watchable. You can't even watch it. But all the trailers, that part, everything that led up up to there, I thought it was hysterical. I laughed big ass titties for no reason, like his money, the movie is fucking hysterical to me. Yeah. I had that on the stage the worst. The last third of the movie could probably be half as long. Yeah. And it's clearly there just shooting from the hip in Hawaii and just filming shit and blowing stuff up. Yeah, I mean, I was surprised that it wrapped up as quickly as it did, like all of a sudden I see Tom Cruise just like, you know, I'm just like, oh, wait, this is how the last five six minutes of this is going to be okay, cool. Stoer directed, wrote the screenplay with Justin Thoreau and Eton Cohen. So Stoer directed reality bites, cable guy, thunder, two zoo landers and Walter Mitty and then a bunch of severance, right? I spent severance and escape from Danomora. Yeah. Yeah. Great fucking show. Yeah. We fucking love that. Great show. That could've gone longer. Okay. Have a great show. Let these guys stay from there. Yeah. Let's make that again. Yeah. So they had an extensive marketing campaign, fake websites, fake, fake stuff for the characters, fictional TV special, sold the energy drink and then they did a simple jack website and people like get this fucking thing down. They had multiple movie clips, even in 2008 people are like, no, no, no, no, the simple jack website. And to be real, there were, like, there were protests, then, yeah. So I don't know one thinks that they were at the premiere. There were protests, then there were protests from the black community. They were protests from the Shriver family and the special Olympics. There were protests, then there was heavy. There was talk about the less grossment character and whether or not that character was in mathematics. Great. No protest, then, is just that the funny one and that, that, that, that is what happened with the movie. People went to the movie and they're like, it's funny and the funny one. Downey, best supporting actor, Nom, unfortunately, was the Heath Ledger dark night here. So let's play this out. How would that have worked if Robert Downey Jr. had won an Oscar for this? Over dead Heath Ledger? That would have been terrible. Just to have fucking gone crazy. The Heath Ledger performances, like he was never going to wait. I mean, just a minute. If it was a different year, you've been. Every year, every year around the, the Oscars, there'd be tweets about how there's more, there's more people than one, Oscars for the, oh, yeah, sorry, I'm, I'm new to them. I know. No, no, no. He has a microphone brain blind spot. We were doing it. You, you, you see LA, the mic is down here and Joel is talking. I'm like, Joel. There's people in the stand. It was like, what was that? What was that? What's that? Oh, yeah. He can't. I'm not meant to be on camera. I was a writer. I was like, yeah, we're, you're a late bloomer superstar. So you're going to say the Oscar thing. Oh, yeah. Every year, around there, they'd be like, Oh, just a bunch of black people saying this. been more people that have won Oscars for Blackface and have actually, you know, won. - Yes, yes. - So it's not the craziest fucking thing in the world that he got an Oscar nomination for this. Like, if you tell somebody now that he got an Oscar nomination for that, it would blow their mind. - I think the Oscar nomination is the thing that people most hold on to when they're talking about the negative legacy of the portrayal. - Yes. - Is the fact that he got nominated. - It hurt the movie almost if he got an Oscar nomination. - Yeah, you know what else interesting about it? And we talked about this with their Sutra by Mary. Like, comedy's never got nominations. - Yes. - That's right. And it was just weird that this one, who was like all the old, like, people in the Oscars. - Like, yeah. - But this goes back to my theory that sometimes, the people in the Oscars be fucking with us. It's like, sometimes they go, they sit together and they watch the help and they go, "Oh yeah, we're gonna piss them off." - I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know what they, like the blind, the blind side. Oh, we gotta make sure they came on here. - I would like to think it was trolling, but I think it's actually just old guys, you know? They're like, the shit was just better back then. - Yeah. It was rather miss Daisy. Oh, that's when we got one. You know what I'm saying? So I just think something, they fucking with us sometimes, man. - This was weird that it got nominated. Less for the Downing character, but just the comedy getting, that it's not like, this was a hit, but not like a phenomenon. - Yeah. - It's a pretty hard article. - It's like, it would have made more sense for Matt Dillon to get nominated for there's something about Mary or something like that. - So Marissa told me in my cousin, who else, it's a hit, it's not a long list. - She's great, yeah. - So Google comedy actor, actress supporting Oscar. I don't think-- - Marissa told me. - You were talking last 30 years, it's probably five or less. - Mm-hmm. - Do you count raw too well? - Oh, no. - That's kind of like-- - That's a great character. - Yeah, I don't think that's a great character. - He's not, but it's not necessarily like a comedy. - Yeah, it's not a comedy. - It's not a comedy, yeah. But I don't even think that they're being, they're very much, like rooted in the story of Jeremy. - Melissa McCarthy, Bridesmaids, nomination. - Okay, that's one. - That's one. - That's a great-- - Gossiping Barbie, that's one. - That's one. - Jonah Hill Wolf Wall Street. - I don't know, that fucking shit outta here. - Wow. - All right, relax. (laughing) - Yeah. (laughing) - Yeah, that's it? - He's a bit sad. - He's a bit sad, he's got the researching. - Tootsie Terry Gar. - I'm not saying that. - Yeah, we had a couple on the Anus, yeah. It's pretty weird. Speaking of Craig, this movie was 107 minutes. A plus seven on the Herald Beck scale. It feels like a plus 14. - I have you. - I have you. - They don't mean there's trailers at the beginning, you know, there's some bonus footage that they had to include. - The unrated directors cut, which for some reason I own on Voodoo, was like over two hours. - Really? - Yeah. - It's just extra stuff. - As you know, Craig, my rule is always deleted scenes were deleted for a reason. And that's a good example. - $90 billion budget made $195.7 million. Roger Ebert. - Okay. Three and a half stars. Considerably better than Stiller's previous film, Zoolander, right? - Right. - So he and like Zoolander. It's the kind of summer comedy that rolls in makes a lot of people laugh and rolls on to video. - Most rewatchable scene. Let's go categories. I fucking love the opening so much. - Yeah. - I think the first 25 minutes of this movie are A plus plus plus plus. - The XS Hollywood segment was just great. It just, I can, like, I felt like. - You're jumping ahead. - Is it not the first 25 minutes? - No. - Oh. - No, I have the opening. - Okay. - Oh, you're talking about just the trailers. - Just trailers. - Just the trailers. - Oh. - Do it when he's sweat. - Squirt your six-global meltdown. The fat is far too insane. Now, we in the movie has even started yet. - That's right. - And you know, it's probably a very complicated time for Kirk Lazarus because he's also on the trail for Satan's Alley, right? - Right. - He's got to do promotion. - Yeah. - That's right. - From mid in love in the 12th century. - Because he, because, uh, tubbing the wires nominated. - Yeah. - Now, does Kirk Lazarus, who is very competitive? Did he get nominated? - Well, I think after the Tropic Thunder experience, he's realized it's not about competition. - It's not about competition. - It's about just how I've been. - Yeah, you know. First big battle scene, tug get shot, like 47 times. The sands are blown in the spiders. Dan McBride comes in hot. Mother Nature just pissed her pants soon. There's a lot of good stuff in there. - I like his hands and the J Barrish show, the intestines kill me. - Oh man. - What even is all this? - I think I can put it back. - Yeah. - I think I can put it back, kill me. - The ET segment. - Is this one? - Dan McBride goes, "Tuck, tuck, and Kim have blue balls. I want a lot of squirting." - ET segment in New Nias. The disappointing buddy comedy, "Chitlin and the Dude." - I was gonna, I was the premise of this movie. - Who was Chitlin and who was the dude in this? - I think Chitlin was. - Martin Loans? - No, that was Martin Loans, yeah. - So Chitlin was, oh man. And then the dude was Ben Stoer and Tuck Speedman and drag. - Yeah. - The art of parody. - What was he, Chitlin? - Dr. St. Peter. (laughing) - I had some of the questions for Chitlin and the dude. I wanted no more. - The art of parody. - Pairty just worse but it didn't, 'cause the name of the movie, Chitlin and the Dude, man. - It's a buddy cop comedy. - If the movie day would never make, but it's a movie thing made. - Yeah, they just call it something else. - They just call it, but it's really Chitlin and the Dude. - They call it like, "Money Talks." - Yeah, well that, what was the Ben Berean comedy that on TV was like 10 speed and brown shoe. So like that. But then it's like an actual show. You can look it up. - It's not an ABC for multiple years. - Speed and print up. - Simple Jackson this as well. And then we get to meet McConaughey, whose hair is just, I don't know what's going on. It's, it is like a full-fledged afro. - Yeah. - He looks great, man. - Yeah, I don't know if it's a wig or what he's doing. - I think that was maybe post a turkey visit, post hair massage. - Yeah. - We get Les Grossman's entrance. This is your fault you let me fuck. - Well, my favorite, well, my favorite was, hey, where's the key grip? - Yeah. (indistinct) - 'Cause the key grips will look the same whenever we do actually. - We get Damien the director blowing up. I gotta say, this is a guilty pleasure favorite scene for me because I like when he puts the head on the right fall. - So good. - Oh yeah. - Let's go and make the greatest wall movie ever. (laughing) - It's Cory Serb, guys. - Blake Tex and Corn, sir. - Then the scene, the, I don't even know how to title the scene, but the Kirk talking about. - To, to Tug and Kirk talk about-- - Tug or Jack. - Yeah. - Can we talk about the scene real quick? - I'll just write that. - Okay. - Talk about the scene real quick. - Okay. - Obviously the scene is hugely and ridiculously problematic. Obviously, right? - Is it? - So I'll tell you, it is just because in the world that we want to live in, it is, right? However, the observation in the scene-- - However, I laughed for three straight minutes. - Yes. The observation in the scene was so deadly accurate. And even still, I wonder when I watch it, how I never thought of that. - Sean Penn blew it. - He's like, he's not too far out. - The observation in the scene is so deadly accurate that it is just a genius brilliant piece of comedy writing. It is, it is. You can't take it away from people who look at that and go, you don't want that as part of a punch line and all of that stuff like that. I get it. That scene is hysterical and it's just gorgeous writing. - It's the most memorable line from the movie. - Yeah. - This is the most rewatchable scene for me. It's also basically the sleep with me, Quentin Tarantino, rant about top gun. It's like the most dead-on observation about, like it looks totally, extituted, not retarded. (laughing) And like the fact that, like that actually is the peak of Downey's performance to me. It's like he's just so, he is pretending to be an Australian guy, pretending to be a black guy who's also commenting on the like the nature of Oscar like campaigns. - Well, also the way he plays off Stoeer, Stoeer's like there were times, I actually felt like I became retarded. And it's like, what the fuck? - No, he's got that. He said, but he's also, but also in all of that, he's also fucking with him. - Yeah. - He's making that shit. - They're in a big measure in context for the story role of this movie. So he's saying, you're a moron. You're like moronical and being this going. - Being this going. - Yeah. (laughing) - I could tell this for the fucker. - That was for the fucker. - That's, he's really, and then he gives him a little bit. He walks, he makes him follow. And he just continues to fuck with him the entire time. - He does the same thing when he's commenting on his physique and he's like, any tips. - Any tips? (laughing) - Any tips? - I'm trying to come up too. - I'm telling you, he's got to give a fuck with nobody's say. He is throwing 117 miles an hour for the entire movie and it's still tickled me to this day. - Yeah. - A couple more, we get a couple less grossment scenes including the ransom meeting. - Take a big step back, put really fucker on me. (laughing) - Him did some flow ride. It was good to have flow ride back guys. - You like 'em. - It was fun, yeah. - From 32,078ish. - I don't know if I've ever been in any place to play flow ride 'em, man. - All interesting. - Have you? - Well, he had a shoe. Like, I wasn't in my, I would go home. I wasn't, I was in fucking LA by this time, but you go home, you go around the campus and they love low, all around the campus. - Lot of flow ride at my high school prom. - Yeah, really? - Yeah, okay. - I think it was, I got to avoid a lot of it. I was 30 years old then. - Yeah, I was close to LA too, but you go back, you go on campus into the plow, apple bottom, jeez, and boos. - Forgot to mention, Tuggetting recognized as simple Jack. - Y'all fit. - Yes. - And they all, they all mad and forget the VHS. The, I think this is a top three for me, the troops. all hanging out when Jack Black is tied up. When he calls, he says, your mother's a contender, a sore. Oh, and Jeff's detoxing, and the Lance, he's talking Brandon T. Robb. He's talking about, uh, talking about Lance. Yeah. And we get, we're thinking of dangling the dice on Lance's forehead. I texted that to Craig this weekend. Um, do you think they always knew that that was going to be Lance bass? Uh, that's a really good question. That probably was a late, hey, we should get shot at Oscars already. And they were like, Lance, it's a funny joke. It'll pay off at the union down. He says, man, everyone's gay once in a while, it's Hollywood. And then Jack Black, what's the blow up if he'll untie? I'll create a ball stroke the shaft works the pipe swell the gravy. Hit it over your buddy. Let's do. Can I, can I do my flex right now? Because it's related to that line. Yeah, let's go. It's the Steven Cigal shitting on himself work for the most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. Apparently that line that Jack Black says tied to that tree is, this is from an interview with Jack Black. It was an homage to the urban legend about Sylvester Stallone, going to his trailer with some lady. They were having sex in his trailer. And as the legend goes, he still wore his microphone. And the sound guy turned up the volume and everybody outside could hear. And he was saying, stroke the shaft, create of the balls, say my name's Paul gravy. I forgot about. I think that is an extra story. That's why that's crazy. Wow. If you had had that context, it would have been that much fun. Yeah. Create all the balls to shoot out Jack Black with the double cocaine hands kills me. I like when the hands come back. I like this. I have a son, no, half squat. As we said, the last third of this movie is not awesome. But there's a couple of fun things in there. And then the Oscars ending with Tropic Bunder and less dancing. So what do you got, Joel, what's your most rewatchable scene? Well, actually, I gave it away already. I felt like the excess Hollywood scene just took me back to it. I felt like I was, I am in a hotel room right now. I'm saying in a hotel because LA is not where I live. And it was just like sitting and I'm putting down your shit and being like, oh, yeah, this is exactly what I would expect it to see. Yeah, it's sitting in an airport bar. Yeah, yeah. On any TV from like 20 2003 to 2011. Yeah, you know, and then so this felt good like that to me. I don't know. And somebody said, you know, I didn't see that somebody said they were close to me. Well, I'm coming. I don't know. I felt like that was the best acting that been sitting there. So much to do with close to him. Yeah. What do you got, man? Uh, Kirk and Doug sausage in San Antonio, man. I'm sorry, guys. Like it is like when he's talking about cooking for them. Yeah, yeah. He's like, it was a sit down and he just and there's something that happens in that scene. But first of all, uh, let's say I'm still up some Trump. So Brandon, but so I actually call Brandon about this and Brandon said that they were losing the light. And now you can actually see it when you, when you see they were losing the light and Ben still are told them just do whatever. Just cook. Like that he was all improv. This movie has a lot of that kind of like Ghostbusters feel about Ghostbusters. It was all improv. They were losing the light. Ben was getting cranky and he's like, you guys just cook. Just do some shit. And so Robert comes off the top of his head with that. He starts going in on it and Brandon to Jackson just plays off of him and the authenticity of it. It plays real to me. Because when I'm listening to him, be a black man and talk about crawl dancing like grab some collard greens. And it's just his if it's fucking unbelievably hilarious. It's hilarious to me. Did he say collard up? He said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he's yelling for a tree. Back before the war broke, I was a sausage and a toe and call up some of these green. It's funny, bro. It's funny. What do you have here? I'm going to go with Kirk and talking about simple jack. That's mine. That's the status. What's the most 2008 thing about this movie? I got a list. Rick Peck playing Wii tennis. That's one. There. Oh, the Wii Yacht. Tobie McGuire being credited as an MTV best kiss award winner. That's on there. Let's read him. Max magazine. Yeah. That's on there. Team reunions and Tyra Banks. Tvo. Tvo. The entire conversation about the format wars between HD DVD and Blu-ray and I've really led the way. I've won. It's an important Lance bass cameo, Qualcomm phones. But the winner is Tvo and the winner really is Tvo saving everybody at the end. It feels like the most dated fucking thing ever. Were you a Tvo monthly subscriber or lifetime? I never had Tvo. What? No, I didn't get until DVR. I never had any. What did y'all do? I mean, I love it. When I started fucking with it, your provider had the shit on it. We would literally go to a friend's house to watch 24 on Tvo. I got 3/24s. Come on over. She really had a moment. It was like the most important thing in my house once upon a time. Yeah. Would say it's your best. A couple things. The small thing official NBA ball is in the NBA that's 2000 and they, the original iPod isn't there and shit, you're right. The original iPod isn't there. The first one. Yeah. The first one. Yeah. The first time. The first time. There's so good. There's also, while he's, because it's Tug is watching his iPod in the jungle, right? Yeah. Yeah. He pulls out a very specific brand of chapstick that is like only from 2008. Yeah. About to put on before. Jackson. And one thing about this too, last thing I'll say about 2008, everybody in this movie is in the perfect spot in their career to be in this movie. Yes. For like the, for the space. They're all big, but they're a little dinged up. Yeah. Yeah. Still is the only one who's, but even he, I guess, is the kind of thing that cable guy was like, it's a $600 million movie. Yeah. And this is just his project. Yeah. So it's not, you know, he's already kind of. He's right. Right. Would say it's the best. I have a list. But what do you got, Joel? I thought the portrayal of this Grossman. Oh, shit. Like, don't you think of him? Like, that is our CEO class in this country. Sure. And like, he put it for what, even though people think that there was some anti-semitic tropes with that. I didn't read that. I didn't, I didn't get that out of that. Yeah. That may be my own ignorance on it or whatever. But I just thought that kind of executive is defined American culture as much as any of the other 20 years. You're responding. Go ahead, man. Go ahead, man. He doesn't give a shit if people died. He doesn't have to treat you nice. He's ridiculous. Like, do you ask? Why do you ask? You should be asking him. What is he saying? Like, and in the appropriate amount of time, we'll file an insurance claim. Yeah. I think that's actually true. That's not. I said, it's a performance that like, honestly, in '08, you were probably like, huh. And then now it's like, oh, it's completely on the nose for that, that, that arrow of Hollywood exec. For sure. What do you have for what's his best? The, the, the whole scene with his exploded hands and the two of them trying to, like, crying on each other and Ben Stiller still trying to cut like the arrogance of those guys. And just putting Danny, Danny McBride in charge of explosives. Fantastic. Um, YouTube. They mentioned YouTube. YouTube is still kind of. Yeah. Like two years in. Okay. That's age the best. Also, all of these guys are kind of still on top. Yeah. Like, Matt Blacks, the biggest one out of all. Matt Black, Matthew McConaughey, Tom Cruise is back, uh, Ben Stiller has severance and the nicks. Um, like, it is like a lot of these guys, Robert Downey Jr., these guys are like still on top. Let me ask about your boy, though, what's Brandon doing right now. He's doing great. Okay. So all the, all the brother, you know what I mean, you should tell the truth about he's doing great. He's doing great. He's doing great. Brandon is doing great. I talked to him. He's doing great. I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. I was glad that he was able to do a name drop. Yeah. I'm gonna cut up some stuff. I called Brandon earlier. I could drop it. I could drop it. I could, you know what, you know what people, you talked about, don't, don't get used to, don't, don't, you don't do it. What? If somebody else could do it, you can't do that. You get to start just name dropping, like, be like, yeah, I meant, I was texting with Matt Dill on the other day. I just see if he calls you on it. Like, yeah. Yeah. You can't do that. A lot of people could do that, but not you. Yeah. I have a Vietnam movie parodies. I still enjoy even all these years later. Even though they don't really make Vietnam movies anymore. But I still love that whole culture. We even did a podcast about them once. Sandesky's theory about porn movies, validating video formats. I thought it was, I honestly kind of brilliant. I was thinking about this the other day, because we were doing a physical media pot on big picture. And we were to ask the question about whether or not there will ever be something above 4K. And the first thing that popped into my mind was from this movie was like, well, if porn leads the way, right? Then yes, it's going to be 8K, right? Craig? Apparently the human eye can't process more than 4K. Yeah. I'm barely can process 4K. How about an author lying about a personal experience to sell books? Yeah. That's pretty well. See that right? James Fray? James Fray? Yeah. This is a personal one for me, and it's so stuff. But it fucking kills me. Rick Peck's loser son. Oh, man. Yeah. You got to choose. They have to. Oh, man. They have to. Oh, man. They have to. The two are the pictures. The thing he has that is not best in the society. Look at the cameras. Oh, but when they are on the plane, if they have to move. I have pecs remedy for killing a hooker for how to clean it up. Get your hands on some bleach, hydrogen peroxide, the shitload of lime, I thought it was a great little kid performance by the leader of the flaming dragons. That guy's good. He's really good. Yeah, he was excellent. He was like scary. He could do moves. And then I think what Nolte says, let's bag and tag the bastard. You're in a world of hurt, that's funny, let's bag and tag the bastard. That's what Ciar said about the somethings after game so that's like let's bag and tag the bastard. Let's start detaining. And then, oh my god. So the five actors nominated for best actor leading role where tug speed been Tom Hanks, Sean Penn, Tobin Guarang, John Voight, pretty believable. Yeah. Five some. Yeah. And you have to put a good job. All the money was sent in to be. Yeah. Who did that group? Yeah. Probably downing because he knew downing. Yeah, really. And he's okay. The Floyd Gondoli butter on my ass and lolly pops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. Every time somebody says booty sweat, man, it does actually work for me, bro. I mean, I was saying, you know, that was a time when people would say with James bitch or whatever. And we want boys to just talk about booty sweat. We want some. Let me get some of that booty sweat. Honestly, don't see don't. Don't do that. I'll do it. I'll do it. Anytime sympathy for the devil is used in a movie, I'm just kind of like my, my spidey senses go off. Yeah. I did it. I was going to wonder. I was going to do the hottest take on whether that's the best movie song of all time. But it wasn't less movies than I thought. Yeah. I also give it a shot. It's just a big one. Where is it a lot? Yeah. But more TV shows. I really love well done fake movie trailers in a movie, some fucking home run every time. Like I honestly, I feel like we're short and Craig, we're like 50 short career fake movie trailers. It's just really well done ones. Just like, why not just if you're making a comedy, why not just put a fake movie trailer for no reason before the movie starts in the second season of the studio because the Paul Dano action movie that they did, which is really just the opening scene of that movie or the climax that movie. And they did the one about like the, did they ever do the credit girl, we not, yeah, the credit. They did the one with the guys like the Sarah Polley, the fart apocalypse. Didn't they do that trailer in the studio with Johnny Knoxville? Oh, that's right. Yeah. That's right. Miss those. What do you have, Van, do you have one? I like walking around the jungle. I was like movies in the jungle army action movies just walking around the jungle being scared. Yeah. Alright, we'll take a break and then we'll come back with Joel's first ever flex. Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. Meet new grippy setting mist from Mavily New York. 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Well, tell your chef thanks, maybe the, maybe the next time, um, the, the needle drop run through the jungle by Credence Clearwater Revival. Yeah. That, that shit is beautiful. Like, and I expect to hear it in every Vietnam era. Yes. You're right. It's probably 80% of the Vietnam movies feel like they have to do it. Yeah. What was their more classic rock songs about jungles of what I mean, I just in general, I think credence has that vibe. So like Susie Q's and apocalypse now and yeah, I'm sure there's one in the number one Vietnam movie band. It happened, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of Motown. I think what's the most used song in a Vietnam movie? It probably anything from Credence Clearwater Revival. I think it's fortunate. It's the most serious type of song. Allegedly they say that song goes about gun violence though, like which is crazy because this is from like 1969. Yeah. Yeah. Um, um, I was like, it said really wasn't about Vietnam, huh? Okay. Sure. Whatever you say. But yeah, that was my shit. And maybe I actually downloaded that. So I could listen to it. Oh, man. Great chat, Gordon. We're tug running in front of the bridges that blows up. Or would you do that? I had the great shot. Gordon slash the Sean fantasy award for Stothomage that gives every movie nerd a criteria orgasm is the reenactment of the Willem Defoe death and the tune. We did do platoon. It's on the list. Fuck chat movie. Chess Rockwell, Brock Landers Award for Best Character Name. It's got to be Alpo Chino. Alpo Chino. Her clasers is good too. My silver medal is actually Haters character is named Rob Slalom. I don't know if they actually say it out loud. But it's so weird to watch Haters because you keep waiting for him to complete. He break out in this movie and he's just like kind of keeping it. No, if you can't link in Osiris is the name. Yes. That's a good one. Link. Yeah. The kid cut a pursuit of happiness. Joel talked about the needle drop. There's a couple of really good ones there, but it's it's got a good way to get it. For what it's worth is also another big Vietnam movie. Yeah. What do you got for your flex? I have a Billy Batz Jack Walts award for the most biting and scalable insult for first of all, take a big step back and literally fuck your own thing. It's a great one. Which is girlfriend, where do we link in the film? This is a really, this is a good one here. I think this is interesting. Mine is we already discussed it. I thought the last third could have been seven, eight minutes tighter and we just could have gotten out of there. Even halfway through. I was like, man, this is kind of going on. Yeah. I wanted more like there in the there's a duet it scene before that they send the five into the jungle again, where they're they're at some party at the set and they're talking about Bochino, bear shall meet him and the I just wanted like two more scenes with that. Yeah. Like the guys hanging out before getting weird and less at the back end would be my note. I have Jack Black. Wow. You don't need to show it up and collect it at check. No, I think that the Jack Black stuff is funny at times, but I do think that beyond the scene of there are two scenes that really work. Other than that, he's kind of just whacked out in the movie and put it away from the funniest parts, which is like Kurt and and Tull and Al Pacino and some of the other stuff. I had Jack Black. And it's rare. Jack Black is normally a plus player in every movie, but in this one, I had him as the weekly. I have Steve Cougan is much funnier and reigns of madness than he is in Tropic Thunder. Yeah. And I feel like they kind of hemmed him in a little bit. I've been still there, man. I was designed. Yeah. I was still. Wow. I'm sorry. I just again, I felt like I was like, oh, I've seen this been still there before over and over again. I didn't think he had that much work to do. I felt like he got to be himself, and you know, I mean, I didn't mean that he was bad. And I didn't think, well, the acting performances were probably the, some of the best parts of the movie to me and of that bunch. I thought I would have said Jack Black, but I couldn't say Jack Black because you already said Jack Black. So I had some Ben Stiller, like right above that. I get what Joel's saying. I think we were talking about this a little bit earlier. Ben Stiller has really good taste and usually the movie he's involved in are really good and funny, but he's not always like the single best part of the movie. That's just particularly an actor. But there's something that he can do that is very useful in a movie like this is he can be a funny straight man. Yes. And he's making fun of himself. He's making fun of himself and his performances are nuanced enough to where he can be the straight man to a lot of other stuff that is crazy and happening at the same time in the movie. But he can also actually have you laugh at him. I enjoy him more as a character actor, like I think him and happy Gilmore or even Zoolander is funnier than he's just doing like the meat the parents thing. Yeah. The Steven Seagal is shooting on himself for most unbelievable anecdotal from the actual film shoot, which Craig already did. I have another one. This is Bill Hader. This is the story he had. Tom Cruise didn't know who I was and was trying to figure it out. I said Seth Rogan's a friend of mine. He said he went to your house. I did a Seth Rogan impersonation for two seconds. Tom Cruise is amazing. We rode motorcycles and his backyard and it was like I did a magic trick. Tom Cruise started clapping and going crazy and he went, you do impressions and you're on Saturday live, meaning I was brief that I know that who you are. I just sort of love to bed in the room for this. Yeah. But can you imagine Cruise doing the over exaggerated? You're so funny. You're the SNL guy. It's like kind of like the politician who's just like this is the Treasury Secretary and his daughter is not here. What says the worst? Well, we covered a lot of the what says the worst already. Including the website for simple jack. All the other things that happen. Any other what says the worst that we have? I would probably say it's just a. - I would say the action in this movie is just the worst. - Okay, yeah. - I would say that comedy is not the only thing that matters now anymore. Your movie is not just about whether or not it's funny. This is like really one of the last movies that was like, okay, it's gonna take all of these chances, these gigantic swings, and if it's funny, it's gonna work. Your shit can't just be funny now. It has to be more than that. You have to consider a lot of things before you put script to screen it and then put it out or else people gonna not fuck with it, they're gonna summarize it before it even gets to the video. - Unless you're a stand-up. If you're a stand-up, it can still work. But even as a stand-up though, you have this, almost sectioned off group of people who just came to see you. The movies, I think people react differently to them because they, I don't know why people still feel like that every movie is supposed to be for everyone. They don't feel like that way about stand-ups. It's almost like if you go to see Louis C. Kent at this point, you know what you signed up for. But when a movie comes out, a lot of times, people are offended because they feel like if it's in the theater, I'm supposed to be able to watch it. - Yeah, I think also it's just like, you've been selling me this movie for such a long time and it either is or isn't what I expected it to be. - For a movie to get made like a hundred people have to sign off on it, Louis is gonna just him. - Anyone say it's the worst joke? (laughing) - Do you have anyone say it's the worst for us, or do we cover it? - Oh, no, I was gonna say, I thought the comedy just fell flat. It was total, like I get, it wasn't as funny as I remember. I just, I just, I see a rare case of Joel Travertender. (laughing) - Yeah, you know those podcasts, you know what I mean? - No, he did the work though. - Yeah, I did, I just, you know, I get, I watched it again. I think I definitely remember thinking it was funny here in 2000. - Can we actually, 'cause this is Joel's first time on the podcast, can we get a barometer of what would be a funny movie to you? - Exactly, oh. - Well, I mean my favorite movie is coming to America Friday. - Okay. It's funny, you know what I say? - Oh, you know what I say, I love it. - I always talk about Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins, 'cause nobody fucks me, I don't have your favorite fucking way of it, but. - Yeah, okay. - You have seen that one? - You have seen Welcome Home, Roscoe Jenkins. - 2000s? - Something like that, early, early 2000s, he goes back to his family reunion. - Mm-hmm. - And, yeah, it was in the street party, he fell in the street for a moment. - Yeah, it's 2008. - 2008? - 2008. - I love it, I believe he did. - I believe he did, I like the laugh. - But I didn't know if you were gonna be like, to me Rushmore is funny, you know? - I mean, I like a lot of the, I don't like the best in show. - Yeah. - Like the Christopher Guest stuff, yeah. - Christopher Guest moves, yeah, I love this stuff, you know. This one just, I like Anchorman, like Anchorman. - Yeah. - Step brothers, if you put step brothers on right now, I will not, you know what I mean? - We got that idea. - Okay. - You know what he, - I'm just faster than all the people who are back. Why'd you have the guy, there's like, traffic thunder all at once. - But you know, we had this conversation with something about Mary about its legacy. - It's a complicated movie. - Beyond conversations. - It's legacy beyond just like whether it was funny or not, right? And you just mentioned two movies that I feel like have a way bigger like sort of mind share of like the current movie going public with Anchorman and Step Brothers are way bigger than Tropic Thunder. - I think they're better movies. - I think that, I think they have a much longer tail. - Okay. - So what I'll also say, there's a reason why, because those movies edit for television better. - Mm. - There's another reason, like my kids didn't like Tropic Thunder would try to shock by it. - I get it. - It's an edge. - It's an edge your movie. - It's a satire of like 19. - They were just out. - Yeah. - But they fucking love Anchorman and Step Brothers. - Yeah, those movies are more, I mean, there's some, you know, but those movies edit for television better than those are more accessible films. - Outside of Downey, did you think, I mean again, I'm not, I don't mean, people are gonna get mad at me, but that's fine. - Did you think it, outside of Downey, did it seem like smart funny to you though? Like you would just like, oh wow, that was some really complicated here. You really thought it. - I thought that it was simple. - The sea of the first hour of the movie, and especially the trailers, the Maria Menuno section, pack and Grossman, like all that first bit run through the Hollywood stuff is pretty. - She's funny. - Yeah, at the end of it, she goes loo loo, something like that. (all laughing) She's funny, all of that stuff leading up to it to me is really, really high level satire going on. - Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Parcher Joe Ver acting word Jack Black. - Jack Black. - Yeah. - Ben's choice for a flex. Okay, a list, five movies not getting Greenlit in 2026. Number five, our namesake movie The Ringer. Have you ever seen this? - Yeah, that was problematic when it happened. - That's Johnny Knoxville, right? - That's Johnny Knoxville. - We had a big debate about whether we named The Ringer the Ringer, wondering if The Ringer, the movie would overshadow us with Google and guess what, it did not. - I almost cost you so much money by calling the website Chase the Night. - Yeah, this is almost there. - We tried for two years Chris, I gotta pull the fuck down, seriously. - These are four, the five movies we're not making. Number four, Tropic Thunder. I don't know if with all this stuff like that, the movie intact the way it is gets Greenlit today. I don't know if they make it. Number three, Joanna Man. - We? - Oh man. - Not gonna happen. You're not in this day and age. You're gonna have a movie where a guy goes and dominates the WIBA because he's a guy. We're having too many conversations. The W is coming too far. That's right. - That's right. Number two, I think it could easily be number one. It's an easy one. The birth of a nation. - Like the new birth of a nation. - A bro. - No. - The second one. - The 1915 birth of a nation. - Yeah, we're not going to call right now. - I think that would have been the case. - You know what I mean? - They played it in the White House. All right, people were happy to go see it. All right, so I would gotta say right now. - That's because they were like, I can't believe a train is moving, right? - That is partly true. It's also because they was fucking with that shit. - Well, you know, they kinda, I mean, they were like, I mean, I'm a head, I shouldn't do that. - Yeah, they were like, no, I mean, that would go both way. - There might be a 4K or 2 sit around in the White House now. - You might. Number one, despite the fact that we have tried on this podcast to change the legacy of this movie, there's no way Salt Man happens in 2026. Salt Man is an impossible thing. - It's lack of availability. It's probably a test drive, yeah. So Salt Man is number one. - I think Salt Man would cause a riot. (laughing) - Who's gonna be right? - I'd just everybody. - I think all people read. - Do you think it's up? - 'Cause actually, I mean, ultimately, the guy finds out that racism is a real thing. Do you think it because of that? The people are like, what, you know? - We can't stop. - Get it up about race. - I'm trying to say that we can't get to that point. At the end of Salt Man, Salt Man rounds out with him discovering just how terrible it is. But see Thomas Howe, the entire movie has, but it's just not gonna happen. - I would like to throw in the crying game into this talk. - I think people are fucking lose their minds now. They would have intentionally spoiled the secret. I think that movie gets sub-reamed in and out of it. - It's actually a good one. - It's a good one. - Yeah. - People would have been really mad at that movie. - I'm trying to make, like, just on twists alone. I mean, I know why you're saying crying game, but I wonder whether or not if you tried to pitch Fight Club now would they just be like, yeah, but we're not gonna be able to keep it a secret. Like, there's just too many people writing about movies. There's too many people who see movies too early. And they'll be like, make sure you stick around for the last 20 minutes of this. You know, like, yo, really tough. - What a pro fun. Have we lost, with Fight Club not work today? The ability to keep a secret, we've lost. Blitz is dead, no way, doesn't work. - Like, Fight Club completely does not work in any way as a movie or as an experience. I remember when my homies was first putting me on Fight Club 'cause I ain't seeing the theaters. They were happy to like not spoil it. Yeah, they would tell you, I can't tell you what's going on and they just made you, I don't know if that would exist now. It would be all over. Like what they did with the drama almost. - I love Fight Club. - American history X? - I think it could still make that one. I think that one could still get made. - Okay. - The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford how to take a word. What do you have, CR? - This movie did to Platoon, what walk-hard did to music biographies? - Ooh. - I tried watching Platoon this weekend. And it was just, I need a little bit more distance from Tropic Thunder to like watch Keith David. - Yeah. - Like, we're going home brother, you know, like it's just too close. And all the shots that they had, like there's so many one-for-one shots from like Platoon in Tropic Thunder. So I think it kind of deflated the ball a little bit. - My high to say is this is legitimately the only time I have purely and sincerely, not even a half of percent at all been offended by black guys. (laughing) This looks bad. I'm just like, I'm just like, I know this looks bad. I just, I want to, I want to have been offended by that in this movie more. I want to be like, I interrogate myself. But as many times as I've watched it, as many times as I've seen it, I just have never even a little bit been offended by the usage of it in this. There's no black face. If you do it, I'm gonna get on your mother fucking ass. Stop with the goddamn Halloween costumes. It's not a tribute to Beyoncé. I can't, like all of that stuff. But in this movie for whatever reason, it's just never offended me. - Oh, that's some real shit. I actually agree with him. I can't, it is not. He, it had to be as good as it was for it to meet that bar. And I'm just going to say, like, all right, all right. I'm gonna give Lincoln a service of chance. - It's also like, if he had been doing like, if he had been doing anything that was like contemporary, like if he tried to kick hip-hop language in it or anything like that, it would have just blown up in his face. - So when he did the sausage and sent a tone thing, that's why they had Brandon's character go right back. 'Cause like, okay, you leaning into the shirt. You doing a little too much? - Well, now you're, yeah. - Now you're too, too many times in between takes. - But that was the joke, all the time the joke was, what do you mean you people? Like they continuously remind you over and over and over thing that the absurdity of this is that, that people take roles like this. The absurdity is that this is not so far out of the realm of what has happened or what did happen. So, I don't know, I just got it. - What do you have? - That was it? I mean, I actually, I'm not offended by the black face at all. And I get, I get, I, you don't know the hottest take. - That performance, that's not your hottest take. - What's that? - Do you have a hottest take? - That's the hottest take. - Oh, you both have this. - Yeah, no. - You separately came to the same hottest take. - I was not offended by the black face at all, 'cause I get, I think, and this is my first time in front of the watchables audience, right? And I know there's a lot of people on Reddit or whatever, it's like, "Oh, that guy, Joe, let's go." - But anyway, I can laugh and shit like that. I think that's funny. - I'm gonna love you. - If you're gonna be racist, like at least be funny with your shit dog and like, I felt like, yeah, you do. Like, be com, com, correct? - I mean, I'm not even gonna talk about some of the shit I like on Twitter sometimes. I'm just like, "Oh man, you know, sometimes Nick Fuentes has some blue nose." (laughing) - I'm like, I don't, I don't fuck with you. I don't like you. We would never be cool. - But I was like, that was kind of funny though, don't I? - Do you want me to try and get out of this? - Oh wait, dude, we can do more. - Let's do it, let's do it. Let's do it, how would van get out of this one, right? - Shout out. (laughing) - Do it like a top 10 black face. - You don't think Nick Fuentes is just fun? - I get the fuck out of my face with that. - Okay, but you've said it before. - I shut up, though. - I never wish we were live on Netflix before. (laughing) - I'm gonna try to follow that one by how to take. I think you could switch four actors, the parts of this and it's a better movie. Oh, I think you could switch Makana Hay and Stiller and I think you could switch Jack, Black and Bill Hater and I think the movie's better. - So Stiller, in that Tom Cruise? - So Stiller is the agent. - Yeah, and to Tom Cruise, oral history, still was gonna play the agent. And I think Makana Hay is the lead, I think would've been really fun. 'Cause my issue with this is it feels very zoo-landery, the character. It feels like a stiller character I've seen before. He's just more jacked. Whereas Makana Hay would've been interested, but I think Hater and the Jack Black part, when it was like, we hadn't really had Hater yet, we had Jack Black around for like 12 years at that point. I think Hater just would've added some improv stuff. I just think it would've been better. - You switched Makana Hay out of Peck though, you don't get. - Rumbtum Tutternice. (laughing) It's Pecker. (laughing) - What do you think, did I break your brain with that Craig? - Makana Hay has talk, I think really works. Hater, the physicality that Jack Black brings, I do think like add some sparkle to the movie, when it's just them walking through the jungle for like an hour, Jack Black does kind of bring that farly energy that I do think kind of unique. - Okay. Casting Woodiff's stiller one that Keanu as Tug didn't happen. - Really? - He was gonna play Rick Peck and Keanu was gonna be Tug. Keanu as Tug is, I don't know, I don't know if that one would've worked. - It's really, Keanu might be one of the hardest actors to like assign roles to like this. - Right. - It's like, you've talked about like Robert Downey Jr. spending 15 years playing Iron Man. Like, I feel like Keanu has been John Wick for like 15 years. I think it was like 2014 or 13 years until he's getting close. - Yeah, he's in that Aziz movie as an angel or whatever. And I was, I just feel like he'll movie, yeah. - He's one of those guys that when casted perfectly is perfect Utah speed, John Wick. - Shane Falco. - Yeah. - Shane Falco, Shane Falco worse and even in parenthood. - Perfectly casted. - Carboat guy, spoken gambling, little league coach. Kevin Hart turned out Bochino. Did he wanna play gay character? - Yeah. - That's right. - Some tough research on this. - He admitted though, I mean, he said his own insecurity along those lines, but still is just kind of growing. - And then most staff turned it down because he wanted to change a character to an R&B musician. He wanted to make fun of rap. - Really? - So in a band guy. - Did you get the sense that he was a rap star? - Like, I felt like that was the one thing that was kind of missing. I didn't get it. - I felt like he was like more like Nick Cannon or something. - Yeah. - Like I didn't. - He almost felt like he was a rap star five years ago. And now, because Nick Cannon is a rap star. - This was said, so Cruz vacated Rick Peck, Owen Wilson gets cast and then Owen Wilson had that meltdown. - I don't know, seven. - Oh, suicide at times, seven. Dropped out, Matthew McConaughey comes in. So McConaughey was the third choice, which is kind of where he wasn't his career. - Yeah. Best that guy award. - I don't know. I have a Yvette Nicole Brown as pecs assistant. Goes on to become. - I think Yvette Nicole Brown is Yvette Nicole Brown, no? - Now she is. It's like, I'm using a more of a like, oh, like the background player. And then it's like, she's like got one shot where she's like, it's like hanging up the phone. - Oh, I see. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause like, she's like a cultural man. - You know, it's funny, is Danny McBride when they made this movie, wasn't that kind of like a- - Yeah, kind of, yeah. - I mean, then Eastbound made him Danny McBride. - So Christopher Walken was kind of like, I was like, oh, yeah, it's love seeing him. It's like, walkin' as if that guy interested. - Recasting couch, I did mine in my hottest take. Did you have any? - Not really. - Okay. Craig did his flex. We're moving to half-assed internet research. - Do you do down? - That's a kind of DM. - That's a DM, right, Jesus. Well, it's Cruz. - It's kind of Tom Cruise. - Tom Cruise, right? - Yeah. - There you go. You would test drive this, right? - No, I had just think for possibly an answerable questions, but I'll bring it up for Deon. And it's not necessarily that less is in this movie too much for Deon, which is like a sliding kind of barometer sometimes. - What would happen if there's just one less grossment scene? Is it, does it become like one of the great one-scene cameos of all time? - You don't love Grossman. There's a little bit of you. - No, I think Grossman is incredible on the fucking face one. - Not too much. - And I'm like, you have to get a binding resolution. - I think it's three scenes return. - And it almost feels like midway through there, like, man, this is incredible. - Yeah, we gotta do it. - Grossman scene. - I think that it was probably Cruz's commitment to it. Like, all Tom's having a lot of fun. How much can, how much juice can we get out of this? - It should have been Alec Baldwin and Quinn Gary. It should have just been like, I'm speechless after that one scene. Maybe that should have been my hashtag. - Fuck you. - That would have been a good one. I mean, you could say he just could have been the one scene in the end, but then we don't get him negotiating with the- - That seems great, and he goes lots of money. - Yeah. - So I thought the third scene was like really good. - Yeah. - At the very end, that was probably a little bit too much. And then he's dancing through the crates. But how do you guys feel about the dance through the crates? It was kind of- - See, like, as a 14 year old, I love that shit. - Yeah, I like shit like that for him. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Half-assed. They filmed in Hawaii and Hawaii. It's the first movie in Hawaii in five years. - This is the beginning of people being like, you know, it's cool living in Hawaii. - This is gonna add to saying they're really figured it out. - Yeah. - It's like family friend vacation, Hawaii, tropical vacation, let's make a movie out. - He got married down there too, still. - Yeah. - So I'm bet that was just like. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Now Glover is big Hawaii guy. - Yeah. - We've mentioned most of the stuff except, still where Downey and Black appeared on the Seven Seas of Finale of American Idol, as the Pips performing with Gladys Knight. And they just, before the movie came out, they promoted the shit out of this movie. They went everywhere. They popped on every show. They did American Idol shit. Vance guy, Rick Baker, designed and created the Downey makeup. - Rick Baker, I was the other guy. - Did he do the fatties as well? - He probably did. - I wonder if he did the hands. - I wonder if he did the hands more. - Who is like the ghost second best Rick Baker? - Yeah. - If it's not him, who is the, if you can't get Rick Baker's name. - We had John Williams, but then who is the other guy who is the most as good as John Williams? - To my Hans Zimmer. - No. - Jerry Goldsmith, Jerry Goldsmith. - I mean, there's a couple of guys in that, like if you, depending on, like if, but if you can't get Rick Baker, who is the second one? - I don't know if it feels like Rick Baker just annihilated. - I think it's, I think it's Stan Winston. - Oh, Stan Winston, Stan Winston, yeah. Stan Winston's way up there. - C.R. mentioned the mockumentary reign of badness. Downey at one and a half to two hours of makeup. And then, they wanted, did you see the thing about how they wanted Nolte's character to be revealed? Like Quint Jaws, and they decided it was too many homages. And then, Hader said he went into addition for tropic thunder. - Stan Winston, black. He, he kind of got a shell silver. - He got a little situation happening. No, are we tripping about this? - Stan Winston? - No, I don't think it's like a, he kind of, like, I don't, maybe he's just a little red here. - Oh, but go back to the last one. - Oh, I don't think so. - I don't agree with you, but we're not. - Look at that. - Connor, yeah. I don't know. - I don't think so. - Well, I think I would have known. It's funny because when you said Stan Winston, I was like, Stan Winston's a black ass name. - Black man, but you didn't look at him right there. Go to, go to, like, some more images. - Yeah. - Okay, hold on, Dirt. - Oh, I don't know, Joe. - I don't know, bro. - Look at that. - I don't know, bro. - I don't think he is. - That's a black man, bro. - I don't know, I don't think so. - I'm gonna claim him, though. - All right, cool. - Stan Winston. - The shell silver scene, man. - I should've said anything. - I'm gonna, I don't think that he is, but I don't know, look at that, look at that. - I thought you had him for fun. (all laughing) - Maybe it depends on that. - Yeah. - And they shows up a little bit more. - Haydard, the last one is Haydard went to audition for "Tropic Thunder" and saw "A Possible Cruise" playing "Less Goes". "Less Grossman" and then all of a sudden, it was like, "This is the most important edition Yeah, I've got to know this and it was really nervous. Apex Mountain. Ben Stiller, no. Downey were in the ballpark. Oh, he's a Zyron man. Same here. Yeah, I mean, this is it, right? Unless you were the same with the in-game time, because he's the big star, but this is, this is Vietnam War parodies. Would you go? What was the Charlie Sheen one? Hot shot. Yeah, hot shot. No, I would say this. We're done with Vietnam now, right? Yeah, of course. I wonder if he'll ever come back like World War II. Like World War II is such an unambiguous like it's us versus evil, but yeah, that's the thing. But people crave like war stories. Yeah. They crave the band of brothers' experience. Crews, no. Jack Black, no. Brandon T. Well, now you don't know how to be in it for just asked them in the phone with them are there. I'll call them right now. Do it. Blind call to break. It's kind of an awkward call. If you don't call him, it was just traffic thunder or Apex Mountain. Yeah, but he's using a lot of big movies. Like, well, it sucks, you're crazy. If you don't call anybody like that, traffic that you're preparing together. Jay Barrishell. What was his big breakout joint? What was his lead of undeclared? Right? I think this was the biggest thing he's been in. I mean, it's good. This is the end, too. He's getting this thing. A million dollar baby, him is danger. I would live in that. His fucking shit is how to train your drag. How to train your drag? That dude's caking. He's the man. So he's the lead in how to train a drag? And is he not? I mean, yeah. I saw a decade. I was surprised he went and moved back to Canada. And this is the end. Apparently, that was based on real life, right? That whole relationship between all of them. McConaughey, no, hate or no. Politically incorrect. But got away with it somehow. Probably still blazing saddles. Yeah, now it's like the biggest comedy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, 48 hours. But so, but you know, like, think about it. All of these movies in the every single one. Like, Ringer and nerds, animal house, all of them. They're all insanely politically incorrect. Yeah, I don't have them on a list because the premises aren't, like, you know, but like, I don't know. I guess so. Crews are hanks. A rare cruise, by the way, is 18-3 watchables. Just extending his lead. He's four above the next guy. I love it, man. How many cruise movies have we not done? There's a few. Okay. We make it. What are the one and five? What are the ones? The lab. We never did all the right moves. I'm actually a big valkyrie guy. I love it. You don't understand. I never understood the hate. Maybe I think people were just, there are a couple of movies in there that people just didn't like him anymore. Like, yeah, valkyrie is one of them. Obviously, as you tomorrow is one of them. I think there are some movies that would have flown when he was on top. Like, I think oblivion would have flown. I think there's a couple movies in there that people were just like, we don't know what's going on. What did you think of it? I mean, it's a good movie. But like, I think Reacher is the number one for me with this. The movie was just done with them. We just done with them. If the movie was cool, it's good. We just not fucking with Tom Cruise. It was also like, the whole idea was you supposed to be six for five. They didn't like that either. It's Corsese or Spielberg. Spielberg. Spielberg. I think so. I would say Swayr Saisy. I want to hear what you guys said. I really cannot think of it. I just, I guess there's heroin in the last 30 minutes. I think it would be a darker movie. It's funny. It's Corsese he's ever been. And Wolf Wall Street. Yeah, that's good Wolf. Yeah, that's very funny. Good fellas. Hey, look, I found a wing. You want the rest of the wing? It's his picket niche. So Steve Cougue, the director, his plan was to he filmed the whole bunch of stuff and then got rid of everything he filmed. Yeah, this is the biggest nitpick is that he's going to put cameras in the jungle. But he's got to work like high eight like camcorders. And he's and we're just this is what we're going to do with five time. I was going to look for twice or eight days later. What was this? What was this plan? Well, also, can I just, I'm confused because for leaf at the beginning, I say, so there were 10 people in this unit, four people wrote books, three going to publish, two get and two get movies out of that, right? Yeah. Didn't nobody know he was a fraud before then? Right. Well, I mean, I didn't say those people that died. So nobody was like, hey, man, you aren't. What the fuck are you talking about? Figure that would happen. It probably would happen, but there was a little bit of a, it's like, I think people got away with a lot back then. I had, I don't know why Tug kills a panda. I don't understand that scene at all. That was what I think he's just scared that he's getting attacked by like a wildfire panda. But he loves pandas, right? And that's like the thing he loves. You know, he took. What's a panda down there? That's not even a real name. Well, I know the panda's on his beard now, but also, like, are they fine? I don't know, I don't know. I didn't understand anything about that. Why didn't the first girl was just kill Tug? Why'd they capture him when you just shoot him? To ransom him. They didn't know that he, that he was ransomable. They, they assumed he was DEA, right? Yeah. Probably want to see the new, yeah. And then nobody, none of these guys died. They get shot at for two hours. Yeah, nobody. And they're all shooting blanks. Yeah, those people, the dogs were bad. That panda, you know. This entire movie is a nit. Like the plot is just like, yeah, the whole movie is a nit. By the time they're walking through the jungle, like, they're fake shooting the movie, it doesn't make any fun of this. Also, Dan, Dan is keeping that makeup on just for five straight weeks in the jungle. It's not the same as melting surgery. Yeah, surgery. But he has the, he has the other stuff that he pulls off. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the. Can you explain it like, because I, his eyes blew like that naturally. Carview Strylion, when he's in Satan's alley, those eyes are fake. Those are contacts. And then his eyes are dark usually. Yeah. Okay. I had the only to pick. I have is like, just Kirk Wizer is having more Oscars than Hepburn and Daniel Daylos. Yeah, one of three would have probably done a job. Maybe that was the joke. You have any nitpicks? Nah. Craig, you have any nitpicks? Don't you think Four Leafs should have died? I thought they were leading up to him sacrificing himself to be like, I'll die on the battlefield now. I mean, they just keep him alive, which kind of just made no sense. Which is probably why like the third act feels a little bit like. Like, I just do not understand what he is. Because there's just no, yeah, there's no consequences to it. I think, I think they're probably rushing through the last half hour of this. Sequel, prequel, prestige, to be all black cast are untouchable. Prestige TV's, prestige TV's mildly interesting to me. But it's probably untouchable because I don't know if we can touch it. It's untouchable. The same way plutonium is untouchable. I mean, that's why that's what scorch your seven comes out for me. There's just like he's moving on, you know, this is the next project. He's won his Oscar. So what do we do with scorcher seven after global meltdown? Maybe it's like a, like a, I would do scorcher seven. They go to another planet. Oh, yes, scorcher seven, like you're a star, three though. Is that okay? Yeah, they go to another planet. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Zayn Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols or someone else? I like the ideas. If pasta weight played, uh, Grossman, you're going to have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I'm talking scorched earth motherfucker. I will massacre you. I will fuck you up the chemical way. And then he hangs up and goes find out who that was. I had, um, I think Nell should have been in this. There was some simple jack for a round Nell and where it could have been, like Nell too. When they're talking about possible academy awards. And we could have got a romcom like. We got a movie, Joe. Nell was Jodie Foster going that's Jodie Foster in the in the woods. Jodie Foster plays a woman who was like raised in the wild. Nell made, Nell made $106 million. Yeah, we used to really do it on the on the pod. What the fuck are you fucking insane? It's not going anywhere. The drama's in our comedy. That can't be real. Nell is another one that paved the way for simple jack, by the way. Damn. That was just being the forest and be crazy. Hold on, Nell made $33 million domestic. For some reason, the world was fucking with Nell. Like crazy. And people in this region, for a station. And France loves Jodie Foster. So when I was at a newspaper, the person did a story on this woman who was raised by wolves. Like she was like, and it became a big story. Did they do a movie on that? Did they ever do a movie? That sounds like something that Nell. I mean, she was raised by. She was raised by the keeps. Yeah, right? Yeah, she was raised by something that I've even fired Nell up. Probably an answer for questions. Why do you think crews didn't do more Dan Waiters type three day roles? I always wonder about this with some of the most famous. Like, would it have killed Leo to done this like twice? You know, like Denzel, all the biggest stars we have. It's just a huge win if they picked the right movie. And they just fly into the wrong movie. Yeah, but isn't this just a fear of. Yeah. But I mean, also, I mean, these are people that really do take that craft very seriously too. Like, it's just not fucking around. So maybe that, I wonder if it's just something like that. They were asking to Capriot to be in Cliff Booth and he was like, no. Not for like a day. No, you think Michael Jones is playing in a program? Yes, he did. He used to do that. But I just think you have to be at the right point in your career, and like these guys are chasing each other in terms of prestige. And a miscalculation kind of looks bad. I always like to see it. So like Shalame right now, just popping in a movie for two days that ends up being hit. He's really funny. Yeah. Mad Damon will do it. Yeah. Mad Damon love. Mad Damon. He loves to do it. He's in your trip for reasons that remain unclear with a shaved head. But here's a deal though. Like, and he shows up in some of the Marvel stuff is funny. But when you're in, when you're watching your own trip, and he's up there, to me, he looks so cool. Yeah. Yeah, popping into that movie. But there's a difference between like what he does in that and what he does in interstellar. Like, there's like a supporting role and then there's like a 10 minute like cameo. Yeah. The interstellar thing is actually like a really super important part of a very serious movie. So what do you got for an answer? Oh, for me, oh, I would just like to know why Brandon Jackson was the guy. I'm sorry. I've been doing it for 20 years. Like what happened? What happened to his career after this? Yeah. I'm just like, what, I mean, why didn't, I mean, we were just talking about all these guys have gone on. They had like another thing in the like, what, again, I think that is that is the problem of the black actor in Hollywood. Not your boy. That's what I'm saying. He's like, you know, because oftentimes these roles, even if you get nominated for something, it doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to go on, you know? So like Lupita, you know what I'm saying? Like what it didn't, it is not very cute. Lupita's having a fucking fantastic career. Are you nuts? Do you think, do you think of her? It's like a top top bill start. Lupita is having a great career. Okay. No, let's say she's not having a great career. You can have a great career and not be like a top billing actress, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be like the roles are just not going to come to her like they do some other people. And I'm sure she would say that if you ask her. Okay. I mean, look, I don't know. I'm like, like all I'm saying is you probably do know a color. Just a hunger. My own answerable would be what, if you were making tropics under today, what would you be lampooning? Like, and I guess it would be comic book movies. Does not really answer both. Yeah. MCU type of. Yeah. Something. If I was doing it, I would lampoon the high a tour movie. The MCU is going to go further, but I think now the film that's directly that's like like an A24 movie like the, yeah, kind of the A24 film bro type of movie that like everybody has to love that you mean I'd say the funniest thing would be to do with like a the smartless guys. Like a movie about like, yeah, some sort of big gigantic podcast. I'll be cinematic. Yeah. Where you just dive into that whole world with the celebrities that come in, but you're really making fun of a couple different things of that world. People trying to, people trying to make the guess cry and the dates, all that stuff. Yeah. Although Charlize talking about how she didn't want to be married and just had sex with the 26 year old and it was great. I thought that was some of the best podcast content of the year. Did you, did you have Charlize on your show? I sure did. We never talked about her having sex with the younger men. That never came up. There's a different phase of her life. Yeah. Yeah. She came in the office. It was most flustered ever. Yeah. She just sat down, put her arm in. She was ready to roll. She was so cool. Yeah. She plays big backgammon person. That's a bit thing. I don't know how to play backgammon. I saw that about her. Yeah. You would learn for Charlize. I bet. Two days in a valley. Piece of memorabilia you'd want from this movie. Pretty giant simple jack cardboard thing that McConaughey had. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. It was in the back and it had like, it seemed like simple jack was boofing back and forth. Like a picture book. Yeah. She was amazing. If you replaced fair faucet in your house, the simple jack was thinking about it. Then I was like, oh yeah, I can't have that. But I thought it was hilarious. Any number of the Bluetooth headsets or blackberries or like old 2008 phones. Yeah. The answer is the Qualcomm phone or the T-Vo that McConaughey has the box. I would love to have a can of boot sweat on my office desk. Yeah. That's a great one. Yeah. The original movie weren't booty. Bus in the bar. Coach Finstack, Mr. Miyagi, we're for Best Word Slife Lesson. Porn sets the. Yeah, set the tone for the way. Yeah. Yep. Sure. Best double feature choice here. I had Zoolander just as like a, another satire by Bensoir. Ah, how's that? Yeah. Dead presidents. Oh cool. Good one. Yeah. That's good one. I had the player. What do you have, Craig? Double feature. Yeah. I'd probably stick right no eight. Go stepbrothers right after now. That's good. Who on the movie? Downing. Downing. Downing to me. Yeah. Craig go. I was 14 when this came out 2008. Just like I can't, I the summer of 2008, forgetting Sarah Marshall, Get Smart, Step Brothers, Pineapple Express, Tropic Thunder and Role Models. Crazy. Wow. Like in the year before that had five other hits and near after that had five more hits. No, we're here 14. You're rolling. Yeah. This was like everything in the world. Like this is just like the funniest should ever. I mean, all of these movies, but I couldn't believe how many quotes from this movie I remembered. I haven't seen it probably 10 years. And I could probably have done the whole movie from memory. I don't know. It's just fantastic across the board. What's the comedy summer of you guys's use? It's probably like closer to like 84 or 86 or something like that. Yeah, man's the 80 to 82 with like, you know, Caddyshack, Blues Brothers, Airplane. Because sadly, when I'm Craig's age, it's when like comedy is having like a little bit of like a drunken hangover. Like I'm more like my my 14 year old summer is probably more like another 48 hours. And that's like, that's not as good. It's Beverly Hills Cop sequels, you know, I'm probably like 2000 foot. So like, I was a big feral fan. So like Enkman, Talladeganites, stepbrothers, like I was, that was my shit. I'll sit down and watch Talladeganites. And it really is just so different. Like what, what I expected at that age in a comedy, I mean, it was just the biggest stars in the world all together on a big set just fucking around. Yeah. I mean, that is so foreign to what you see today. I mean, they, I mean, they were very much fucking around. Like I said, the end of the movie. I mean, there's like, yeah, just the idea of giving these guys $90 million to do this. Also, you kind of got to give it the Tom Cruise a little bit. Like the performance itself is very funny. But the fact that he came up with the character, wanted the, like came up with the look of the character. Apparently it was his idea to play flowwriter. It's kind of like, Tom Cruise. Yeah. Okay. Plus having problems with Katie Holmes at that point. Well, I was gonna say he also hung out with Jamie Foxx around that time too. You know, that's right. They were like part of Jamie moved in there. Bands like I have no comment at this time. I'm fucking with it. So what's the play now? Can I say I love tropics under a no? Of course you can. Yeah. Like if I'm like man down in junior and tropics under hilarious. Is that fine? I mean, yes. I mean, I can't give permission. You know, you might have to ask for more follow ups. You know, I'm saying like, so people are probably I think you could get away from it. The good way with it. The question is, could Bill, if Bill, because I was 14, he's talking to people and he asked Bill, what's his favorite movie? He's like, I love Downie and Tropic Banda. Yeah. I think probably at that point, featuring your great performance by a black person. You can't just be like, my favorite performance by a black guy is Robert Downie. When Ben is Boston, he becomes Australian. He becomes Carp Lazarus. You know, my favorite performance by black guy is Jamie Daniels in the first round against the Joker. Yeah. That's my favorite. That's what I'm about. I love it. Ben loves when the Joker goes down. Oh, is this the right thing? Are you are you anti-joke? Do you really what happened last weekend? Van Joker got eliminated. The Celtics got eliminated in great way. Freaked out at the Kentucky Derby. Van T's Joker is an extension of the one battle after another. You guys are turning to people. That's not true. All I'm saying is I understand he's a badass motherfucker. And by the way, the success just beat me down. I just heard that he was the greatest of all time. I can't even pump the brakes on that. That's all I said. So do you think like he got pumped by the way too? When he ran up on Jayden and he got pumped. He didn't want to get thrown out of the game. He didn't want to run over there like you go do something. Don't want over there. Yeah. Because as he was running over there, intending to kill Jayne McDaniels, he realized I can't get thrown out for the series. And he was probably also like, oh, I just realized my brothers aren't at this game. He ran too far. Yeah. And while you run and you think it, it feels a bit shorter. And then when he got there, Jayden did not. Jayden was like, oh, we got to fight. If it be did run over, he just would have run into him and then fall down. And the first call says, so better. You let them get that off. Get your shot. You made a switch stream later where I address it. Playbop play. Look at this. They let everybody else push off. What about me? I can't push off my favorite year ever. While playing by myself. And Jayden wouldn't need. I hate my rockets so much that I don't even care that you're like this one. That's it for the rewatcher was just thank you for doing this. Yeah. Thanks for having me. Thanks to Gowon Eduardo and the backup. Thanks to Joe. Great to see. You can hear Joe on the press box and watch him and on a ringer tailgate. The best ringer podcast that we have. Wow. At least in the top 40. Tell you about the bottom quarter, I think at least it's good coach football season ahead. Lot of good arguments coming. I would say football's return, archmaning. Is it important for me to, should I, should I, I shouldn't bring up UCLA right now, should I? No, because we'll do it later. All right, good to see you. Good to see you too, but next week, by the way, not sure what we're doing yet, but it will be a comedy. So there you go. See you (upbeat music) Imagine setting your makeup, then forgetting it's even theirs. No tightness, no stickiness, no residue. Just plumph, dewy hydrated skin that still feels like your skin. Maybe it's Maybelline.