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(upbeat music) - Those girls are getting 200 at Betsy year. Eldios in New Zealand and the season are getting 50. - No, I'm good. I know, I'm seriously, I was crying. - If you have a New Zealand passport in a D1 scholarship, don't be surprised if our next guest is already standing in your driveway. Let's find out why. (upbeat music) - Welcome to the softball central podcast, your comprehensive look into the world of fast-pitched softball. - In softball, your roots matter as much as you range. Today's guest connects those roots globally. Dave Elder has gone from the Wellington Diamonds to scouting the US for the New Zealand national team. From the 2026 World Cup to the LA 28 Olympics, he is the architect ensuring Kiwi softball tries everywhere. Welcome to the show, Dave. - Well, thanks Robert, appreciate it. - So the first thing I wanted to ask you about is there's a massive treasure hunt going on in the US scouting for elite athletes in the NCAA that have New Zealand roots. When you're looking at a player in a Jersey like Texas or Oklahoma, what's that X factor, you're looking at the US. X factor, you're looking for the tells you they belong in a white socks uniform. - Well, a really good Kiwi accent helpful, but certainly having a Kiwi passport is what we're after. We've set up a really good base of younger players coming through in the sort of 16 through to 2023 now over the last few years. And we've really been developing our talent, but we're just missing some of that high end quality with the experience of D1 that would just help to polish some of the younger players as they're coming through and developing into truly world class international players. - So what is the minimum age that should be reaching out? I know we're going to go a little bit into how they would reach out to get on your list and possibly be a prospect. What's the minimum age right now? - So anywhere in, I guess, from high school level in the US up to, and as you said, NCAA Division I, and we've had obviously NCAA Division I players that have played for New Zealand before, but I guess not everybody thinks that just because they have heritage in New Zealand and they're in the US, that we wouldn't be interested in them, but obviously we are very interested. A Kiwi's a Kiwi for life, that's truth. - This episode is sponsored by the Glove Pope from custom glove builds to pro-relacing, break-ins and conditioning. The Glove Pope has mastered the art of glove restoration. Visit the Glove Pope.com. That's the Glove Pope.com and mention DSPN and receive a 15% discount. - Do you explain to people that don't know the black socks and the white socks as it relates to softball in New Zealand? - Yes, sure. So black socks is an New Zealand means team. They've been highly competitive internationally for a long time. Now I think 1996 was the first time that they shared the world title. One again in '84 and '88 and probably I think one of five or six times since then the World Championship. Always competitive, including coming runner-up. At last year's world championship. They've always been there. We've got a strong natural talent in the game at that level. A white socks game, which is our women's game. So black socks is our men and white socks is our women's team. Actually one of World Series in the 80s. Because we lack not talent but an actual fact, depth of talent. When our pitching staff drops off from being like we lose world class pitches after while they age out, we then have to kind of redevelop the program. And the idea is to have a more extensive program so that instead of having two or three players that are capable of playing any position internationally, we'd like to expand that to have five or six or a bit of depth in there. Just to make sure that we continue to develop that talent. And one of the things that's worked for us in our women's program, which is allowing us to come back on the international scene with higher ranking, is when our getting players in the college system in the US from New Zealand. I think we have 11 or 12 players playing over there at the moment and a couple and I won't announce on maybe half that we think we'll get into D1 schools next year. So we're actually starting to see that. But we'd like to get the mix back as well if there's players with Kiwi passports that are playing into one of the two. We'd like to merge them back into our program as well. So a quick question about a Kiwi passport. So if someone maybe doesn't have a passport right now, but they can prove heritage, is there a way for them to submit to? I don't know if it's the State Department or what it's called. The embassy, the New Zealand embassy to apply for a passport. Just out of curiosity in case any young players out there are interested. Yeah, sure. And when I say passport, that's the ultimate for us. But we've just had a girl from Canada that played for our New Zealand under 18 team in January of this year, who has a Kiwi father and a Canadian mum. And we were able to get that to work pretty well. So, I guess if we have a word in New Zealand called Fockelpuppa and it means belong. So if you belong, you hear a tige. Basically, back to New Zealand, then I'm sure we can work with you. Dave, you've been immersed in softball since you were like five years old. What is it about the game that keeps someone hooked for a lifetime? You know, it's an interesting thing. This time's where, first of all, softball's family. The final is the word in New Zealand. But if you're involved in our game, then you've expanded the people in your life. And that's the truth. And we're supportive. It's actually quite easy for me to answer this question because I had a situation a few years back where I was having to go around some younger age group tournaments around the country to look at things. And sometimes that softball's not always great. And I was kind of questioning why I should even be there. And I arrived 15 minutes late on the last day of a tournament that had been a little bit hard to watch. Some of the skill level, let me say. But as I put up into the car park 15 minutes late, I opened the door and all I could hear was yelling and screaming and cheering. And I went, oh, I'm home again. It kind of feels like home because it's energy, right? So, you know, I'm like a lot of other things, which, you know, maybe, maybe sometimes a little too PC. It's a great chance for people to share joy and energy and emotion. And if you can do that on an hour and a half, it's a pretty good place to be up there. I love that. And I love that too when you think about softball, it transcends borders and nationalities. And it really does just bring people together. So Dave, you've played and coached in both New Zealand and Australia. How did those on field experiences shape your approach to your current role as community leader? Yeah, no, really interesting. I guess we, and, and we're so close to Australia and New Zealand and so many things that we do, but in actual fact, the culture is still different. And, and I think the ability to understand different cultures of the way that people approach the game around the world is interesting for me. In New Zealand, our athletes like to do stations. So 20 minutes and then they want to compete, right? And so you move on to 20 minutes somewhere else. Then Australia, the athletes want to make sure they've got it perfect before they go on to the next thing. So somewhere in amongst the mold of those two things was something that I had the benefit of being able to coach. So when I was in Australia, I maybe brought a little bit more fun to trainings than they had because of the station type things that we do in New Zealand. And, and, and please don't get me wrong, the Australians are not maintained at all, but, but they really do like to work on the school factor before they move on. So adding a little bit of competition and a bit more fun into those trainings help that. But also a bit more discipline when I come back to New Zealand and saying, "Hey, before we move on, let's just make sure we've got this right." And so the mix of those softball cultures, I think has been of benefit both ways. How do you bridge the gap between someone just watching the game and actually getting them into the dugout? Yeah, I think the, I think the very first thing is to have people understand that if you're involved in the game, you're helping the game to be successful. And so you don't have to start by being a world champion. Yeah, everything that you do in the game is important to actually other people becoming world champions. And everybody's on that right. We have a, we have a saying over here, and that is that if one person plays for New Zealand, we want 99 people to have understood that they help that person get there. So that's all part of the same journey. So it's a 1% thing to the top that has 99% of effort from somebody else. But I guess the reward of them being there belongs to the whole hundred, right? You kind of touched on this a little bit when you were coaching in both countries, Australia and New Zealand. But how do you keep the fun social aspect of the game without losing that competitive edge that you know that produces these world class athletes? Yeah. It's a it's a great question. And I think the very the very first piece of that answer is that if you're in if you're fortunate enough to be able to coach a team or a or look after a team is to remember that it's their game not yours. And that and that people didn't turn up to be to be picked on and they didn't turn up to be told their faults they actually turned up to have fun. So you have to make sure that in every aspect you do of that, whether it's the people wanting to improve at the high end or just people wanting to be there. You need to get some sort of ability to have them reflect back to you that this is a journey that they want to be on not that they're forced to be on. And I think that's a key with partners like the dugout helping drive the junior games. How do we compete with other sports for a child's attention in 2026? Look, I've got to say the dugout sponsorship for us over here has been fantastic. Not just because of of what they give to the sport and they help us significantly with equipment, but the fact that they want to give it to youth. And so when, you know, sometimes when you have a sponsor, it's quite easy to kind of take that for granted and just go, oh, how this money is available this year is available, whatever it's going to be. But to actually have a sponsor that says, if you want out, if you want our support, we want to make sure you're supporting youth. So when we go back around the country and we say, we've got this great sponsor, we're saying that you have to look after your youth. And so it almost becomes compulsory for the very first thought in our game to be about the children and the youth that are coming into the game and how they can be helped. And the truth of the matter is that that's the toughest part for families is in that space. So if we as a sport through our great sponsor, the dugout can be showing that our hard is in helping youth and families. Then the families are more likely to consider that we care a little bit. And then that leads to them saying, hey, this is a sport that might be able to help and we've just finished an annual survey that we do called voice at the participant. And we had a significant rise in the last two years in people that think that our supporters of place that you'd like to be in. And and and a lot of that comes from from that attitude of if we look after the youth and we think about and support the families, then the rest of it starts to take care of itself. And so we're incredibly indebted to the dugout for that great sponsorship. I'm going to make a case we're going back to visit because we need to be ambassadors help the ambassador ship of softball in New Zealand. We'll do a live podcast with Dave when we go. Okay. Sounds good. You'd be most welcome. I've got a house. He you most welcome to share to end of vehicles. Don't worry about that. So how would how would you describe like the current health in the path that softball is taking today compared to five years ago? Well, they're becoming more knowledgeable because I'm having to tell the truth to people rather than lighter than now because I'm getting caught out. So that's a good sign. The numbers, the numbers are strong. The energy is good. And probably the greatest sign for me that we're on the right path is that people are talking about why is it this opportunity here rather than all of the issues that are in the current opportunities. So that's saying that people are wanting a little bit more. And as long as they're wanting more, that's a real positive thing. So I think I can honestly say probably five or 10 years ago, it was a few holes being picked in the things that we're going on in the game. Those holes aren't being picked on anymore. It's more about what else can we be doing? Softball New Zealand has a formal registry for players based in the US and Canada. How many hidden keywees have you discovered through the portal so far? We've got a few. It's in the teams. It's not in the hundreds. But yeah, we are getting a few people that are linking onto it. So if anybody wants to know, I'm happy to share the details at some stage on how to do that. But if you go into softball New Zealand, you can pretty well find that anyway. So you talked about the New Zealand passport being the golden ticket. Is your office actively helping US base players with the heritage claims navigate the situation? We're happy to support anybody that wants to support New Zealand softball. And that's the case. So where? Let me just say too, we're incredibly proud of the talent that we currently have in our squads. But they are great athletes. We're just looking to support them with a little bit more depth maybe. So yeah, we're incredibly happy with where our programs are. But like everything else, we just like to be a little bit better. Sure. Absolutely. I mean, you can have a team with five all Americans. Why not add one or two more? Right? So there is one thing I want to say on that too, though, just and if I use this example of the I think 13 or 14 players that we have playing some sort of college ball from New Zealand over there at the moment on scholarships. Those girls are getting 200 at bats a year. Our girls in New Zealand in the season are getting 50 exposure to that level is is why we rate it so highly as well is just you know, we've got a couple of girls in Juco one made second team all American last year who hit 540 and had 194 at bats. That's probably as much as she had in her entire time before she went to in all of us up for she went to the US. So it's not just a matter of is the talent there, but the opportunity to actually express that talent and get exposure to it is something that we simply can't offer in New Zealand. We don't get along enough summer to get that much softball in. So when you do find a player in the US that has you know the New Zealand heritage and maybe even a passport and you want to convince them to kind to come over to New Zealand. What's what's your selling point? How do you get them to come and where that white sucks Jersey? It's it's a lot easier than what you might think. First of all, it's not a hard place to buy into. We have a and I'm going to use the example that I won't give you name but of the Canadian girl that come and played around the 18th and January. She just wanted to do the Haka which was for which is what our national teams do. So she said we talked with her and her family nine months before she played for New Zealand. We had to make sure that she was you know like had the ability to play for us like just and I don't just mean by her passport but by her ability and that because as I say we have massive respect for our own players. She worked really hard and said look my my father's in New Zealand and I've I know about the culture but I haven't been a part of it so that's a key part for me. But when so we she come and played for a tournament in us in Australia and we played against Australian national side and I met with her and her family in Australia the day before the rest of the team arrived. I hope you don't mind me telling this story but I think this is relevant. And so we were sitting down a wife and I having coffee with her with my mom and dad and a brother and her grandmother was there and we're chatting away and we'd we'd kind of talked online many times before. And I said okay so what time the team's flying in tomorrow what time do you want to meet the team and she said oh we don't play for another two days so we'll meet you to bullpark kind of we know you want. If you're in New Zealand you're in New Zealand you become part of the team and we need you to be engulfed in the culture of the team who parents are like are you sure because in all the years of travel but we just turn up we play ball and then we furnish and then we go away and we play for another travel and just as a kid that's got a four year scholarship this year in the US right. And then yeah I see look it's compulsory you're not available to us if you're not available to us and so you can't so day three of the tournament when we're just about to start playing the international she had become the team here dresser so every morning I was having to say look I realize that there's still three more girls to get the hair done we got training so you just need to see saying you don't understand the importance of this in this team Dave like this is our culture. Yeah she's starting to define the culture back to me as head coach it being with the team for three days so that's the selling point you get to be a key we to those that may not know what the Haka is can you explain what it is and maybe a little bit behind the history of it. Sure so there's many huckers and and and our individual teams have their own which is written for them by by multi culture that every team gets their own Haka and and it's gifted to you so it belongs to you traditionally it was I guess preparation for a tackle war it was a sign of building aggression and talking a bit but the Huckers pretty much that we do for softball are telling the story of where we're from so it's always in Māori the Māori language which is our indigenous race here in New Zealand and and it's a great honor to be gifted a Haka it's not it's not something that you can just write and say we're going to perform this it takes a year or so in different Māori tribes have to get together and they say and so the one that's written for my team for instance talks about the here We're the players who have come from the Whirden New Zealand to Poonamie, you're your ancestors, but the ancestors of the game as well. And it explains that our teams have traveled to play and that they're doing it for the people back at home and that when we step onto a diamond we consider that to be our land. There's in our one and so we're going to protect that and we're going to fight for it. And we're going to do all of those things, but it's a respect back to the people that have really come before us to say that we're not just turning up to play the game, we're turning up representing our country and understanding the reasons why we do that. I don't know why I'm actually getting emotional just hearing that. It's amazing. It's really amazing. And I hope I've done justice to that to the huckers, but that's pretty much the wording of our huckers and the purpose. To explain the importance of it in total is this. When I coach around the world and I've played in a few countries as well and done some bits and pieces, you will have leaderships and captains in your team, right? Well in our New Zealand side, we have captains of our side and we have leaders for the game, but we have a thing called a kaya and a kaya is the cultural leader of the team. So every team has a cultural leader as well to make sure we are, we speak in the culture of our country when we do it. So that's the important of the huckers that we do. I think what's so exciting to about this. So again, starting this journey of softball central and doing this podcast initially was just about softball, but really having the opportunity to talk about embrace and share different cultures and just hope that people will take the time to do a little research and learn more because you're going to be fascinated and it's just it's really neat. Like Dave, thank you so much for doing this. Thanks for explaining that too. You can do it. You need a break? You good? No, I'm good. I know. I'm seriously, I was crying. If you're a fan of the show and you find value in what we do, please consider giving back. For as little as $2 a month, you can help support the show. You can find all this information at patreon.com/softballcentral. Mike White recently led Texas to a national championship. Does the New Zealand softball community view his success as a when before New Zealand coaching? Yeah, Texas gained five million new supporters as soon as Mike went there. That'd been with Oregon prior to that, but yeah, they were around. I should probably do justice to Travis Wilson for the state as well, that we have a little bit of a heart bear as well, but yeah, everybody was, it follows Mike in Texas and we ride every moment with him. So to what extent do you think like his journey for Wellington to the States kind of served as like a blueprint for developing coaches in your country? You know, really interesting question because outside of our little softball world that our men live in like on an international basis, people think that softball is pretty much a woman's game and it is right. It's a female game, but of course our black socks, our men, have been world champions for some time and have always competed. So they've been on a real pedestal in our country and and I don't know if you know this about Mike, but he pitched a no hitter in a world series final. So, you know, he's a hero in this country, but can you transition that over to the to the woman's game and Mike has shown that the skill level that we have in New Zealand that has been really driven by the men for some time and the woman very much a different game, but he's been able to transcend that over and actually say that, you know, the talent is the talent and so it brings a bit of respect to what our men have done over the years and we, you know, they'll mean a really highly regarded over here and internationally in the men's game. So that's really supportive for us and it and it and it gives us mana about the things that our men's game has done, but the C-Mike actually worked through what is the pinnacle of softball in the world, you know, like college college balls really had to beat. You know, to be able to repeat that, but I've had the privilege of being at Texas and seeing the team and Mike walks around, I'm going to say almost like a father figure and I mean that in the fact that the players respect him and he's not demanding that respect. That's kind of organic we got there and so that's very much a key way as well, right? Is that you be strong and you share what you can and you want to win and you do all those things, but Mike is a typical key we guy that's game respect and I can tell you that I don't know how much money's on it and I don't really care, but he's at the top of the tree. But if we ask Mike to do something for us when he's back here with his family at home for two weeks, hold on that, he just turns up. So, you know, he's a he's he's he'll always be a Kiwi, but he's a hero to us Kiwi's as well and the fact that he's never stopped being at and to be able to see him derives to that to that level because it was talent. It's incredibly empowering for us. So you you you mentioned and I knew this too that he was an incredible pitcher. Do you see some of his like aggressive style come through and some of the pitchers in Texas? Yeah, what what I do see is Mike Mike was incredibly clinical what he did and a perfectionist. And I know I've talked with in my learning, I've talked with a few people that caught for him at international level and even the things he he does in the bullpen about the combination of when you move from like a rise ball to a drop ball or a change up and the impact that actually has on a pitch's mindset and being able to do that and and I and I see how clinical like, um, Kovarna's and bits and pieces and the and the inch perfect way that she pitches that's that's Mike White and and and I'm not taking it away from taking Kovar actually outstanding, but um, but he was inch perfect and I can see that as athletes that work under him are inch perfect. So that's that's a mindset that includes it awful lot of hard work. So there's many Kiwi young ladies that dream of having a US scholarship. How do you guys navigate the NCAA eligibility while playing in local New Zealand associations and that could be from the academic side and the sports side? Yeah, um, so difficult. Uh, the first thing we try and do is on a semi-regular basis because it's expensive for us to get um out of New Zealand like we're we're along my way from the rest of the world pretty much. Um, we try and get our younger athletes across to California to be seen or or in fact other parts of the US Seattle and Kansas as well when we can to be seen at travel ball competitions. Um, and as in New Zealand side, uh, again, we're incredibly lucky that organically, you know, we have quite a few Kiwis that are coaching in the US. They'll actually turn up when a Kiwi's playing and so people see them and know them and so all of a sudden gets a little bit of notice and we've been lucky than in the last four or five years. We've started to win like triple crown tournaments in the US and bits of pieces when we go with our New Zealand under 18 site. Um, so that gets a little more notice and then one of our players made, um, juco, second team all American last year. So that gets all of a sudden we've gone from almost having to big to say, Hey, could you look at this kid please? Uh, having a few, mainly at juco level college has come to us and say, have you got anybody that might like be as good as that kid we had two years ago? And where are they? A bits and pieces which, which helps with the conversation. But as part of that, we're and I can only talk about the New Zealand, do you know, so I look after the 18s when when you come into the New Zealand, do you know, squat if you make it and we carry a squat of 33 players at all time. Um, and as a 15 or 16 year old and start your three year journey, you're asked a question about how you want to exit that journey. Um, and if one of the answers to that is that I'd like to go and play college ball, you're reminded on a consistent basis about what's required academically and what support you might require around that and how good a person you have to be. We have a, we have a saying here that, if you're lucky enough to get a scholarship to the US, you're actually going for the next person scholarship to make sure that when you're there, you're seen as coming from a country that you'd want to have an ex person go to. So we try and develop that culture in our athletes from 15 or 16 years old that want to go to college. And in most cases, that's been pretty successful for us. I'd say beautiful, beautiful. So just on the same topic. So when they come over here to play, do they, do they play with a travel ball team or are they going to the showcases like in like the zoom into June or the PGF championship? Yeah. So it's a combination. So we're, we're incredibly lucky to have some connection in the US. Sometimes people that have played for New Zealand, the living over there and others that will take a New Zealand junior team or a couple of teams. Um, but for a half a dozen or a handful of those players, and we would have arranged for them and we'll actually go and play as a travel ball team pretty much. But we'll then arrange for our two or three top players to to go with top travel teams onto a boat. bigger tournament at the end of that as well. And as I say, so I'm trying to think, I think it is a triple crown tournament, the big one. And I think it's in Seattle or somewhere like that. Heavy every year. I can't think of that somewhere might be Colorado. Is it might be Colorado? Yeah, I think that's the sparkler. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, sparkler. Right. That's it. So like we went to a couple of years ago. So we built up by going to Kansas and playing in a tournament and we played rough rock and bits and pieces over there and made it made it through to the quarter finals of that, which was great. So we got a bit of exposure then shot across to SoCal and we won the triple crown tournament there, which in fairness was a little bit of a lesser tournament than what we'd come from. But then then three of our girls went up to Colorado with a top travel ball team and they got that exposure as well and all both of those girls in our scholarships in the US. So it's a matter of us just kind of wicking our way in to be honest. Yeah. Getting that exposure to those coaches. It's so important. I mean, the saying used to be, well, if I'm good enough, they'll find me and I was like, well, no, not anymore. They need to see you for her. You need to get in front of as many people as you can. Yeah. And you guys, you guys find for us as a starting point like we and I'm and again, I won't speak on their behalf. But we have we have a couple of girls that have been in Juco for the two years now. And I know at least two of them and it looks like possibly three are going to go to D1 schools next year just because they got that exposure and were able to come over and show that it wasn't a fluke that they got there in the first place. You know, whereas to have gone to a D1 school from New Zealanders and credibly difficult and and and maybe and maybe hard to be noticed when you get there anyway, they could well have been bench places for two years. The World Cup coming in Oklahoma City, the September, how crucial is it to have players with American experience on that roster? It would certainly be benefit as I say, we're really respectful of the talent that we have in that team. In fact, I think I think it's probably one of our best teams that we've had for a while gone over there and no, they'll compete. With softball back in L.A. 28, how much of your current community strategy is focused specifically on building a roster that can qualify for Los Angeles? Look, it has to be a key focus for us. You know, we've developed good athletes that are heading towards being great athletes, but but every road has to have a destination, right? And so otherwise you just travel. So for our athletes, we make it or don't make it, the journey is heading somewhere and if we don't and if we don't make it and I hope we do, we just know we're going to have to be a little bit better to make it the next time as well, but we will at least be on the road and that'll be a stop towards it. And out, you know, we're not a professional sport, but our goal is to train in 20 hours a week. So they deserve what they get out of this. That has to be for something. It isn't what's being seen by everybody when they're on the diamond. It's the stuff they're doing that's unseen that that gives me the respect to say that they deserve to be there. Absolutely. I'm a fan of the team and I look forward to following the journey and and learning more. So Dave, when we when we sit down again and say 2031, what changes do you hope to see in the landscape of the New Zealand's local softball clubs? Well, I'll be inviting you to my new house and Brisbane that I would have bought to watch us play there in 32. So that'll be handy. But the landscape will be for sure and I have no doubt about this at all that we would have grown the game to a point where it just becomes natural that New Zealand is known on the world scene and that and that that's happened because back home it's so strong and maybe the 99 we have the gets the person there might be 999 at that stage and the the fun that's kept me in the game for a lifetime just becomes part of people's lifestyle over here for the people that are in the games. So that'll be the absolute key is that people just need to continue to be enjoying the game and it is a game for the lifestyle. We just got to get them into it to realize that it is their life. That'll be the story in 31 about the great numbers we have and the success we've had because of that. We'll be right back with the 7th inning walkoff. Welcome back everybody to 7th inning walkoff. This is a trivia game we play with our guests and Dave's been kind enough to agree to play it. Dave you ready to play? Let's go. All right. First question. What year did the New Zealand women softball team make their Olympic debut? I think it was 2000. And for the RBI what city were the Olympics held that year? Yeah. I should I knew I should have made these questions harder. Okay. Number two, Ronda Hira is considered one of the greatest white socks players ever. How many world championships did she represent New Zealand? And I don't want to be just respectful to Ronda and I hope I get this right, but I'm going to say five. Great. Okay. For the RBI can you name two of the five years she did this? Sure. So I'm trying to think of the World Series. So maybe maybe 98 if I got the right series of four years. 98 and 94 for sure. Yep. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Great. Wow. He's doing really well. That's four runs right there. Yeah. All right. Third inning. Third question. Now this is an opinion question. So there's no points. It's just your opinion. There's no right or wrong answer. And you might might not want to answer this. What is your favorite NCAA division one softball team? This year it takes us. What has what has it been in past years? Well, Oregon, we Mike was there. Oh, I got to say the mess of fan of Nebraska to yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Jordy Frams. Jordy Frams. Something else. Yeah. New Zealand hosted its first and only women's softball world championship in what year? 1986. Okay. And in which city was it held? I'm a little torn, but I think it was in Auckland. Correct. And what was the field for the second RBF? I think at that stage, Lion Red Bull Park was around, but I'm not sure. He got his first. Yeah. Yeah. You had a no header going there and then bloop single. No, Rana Park was to yeah. You do a great. I mean, he's, yeah, he's killing it. I don't want to, I don't want to ruin this by saying that the sponsor was Lion Red, so we call it Lion Red Bull Park, but that's okay. It's my. True or false, Eva Gidal and Marie Knight were the first mother daughter duo to both play for the New Zealand women's national team. True or false? Gonna say true, but I'm not confident. Well, it's true is true. That is very good. What is your favorite New Zealand specific food? I'm a, I'm a seafood guy, so I, I definitely love our fish in New Zealand. Yeah. And and snapper is my favorite fish here. Hey, number seven. Last one. For adopting the name White Sox, 1949 New Zealand women's team that toward Australia was famously nicknamed what? I'm sorry, I should know and don't know. I'll know it as soon as I hear it, but I cannot bring it to mind. I'm going. Yes, I got them. I got them. They were at the soft, the singing softballers. That's it. Yeah. Oh my goodness. That was, that was good, David. That's, you're the best who's ever played the seventh in the walk up. Yes, you are. Yeah, the most points ever. So fantastic. Well, we want to, we want to thank you for, you know, taking time out of your day. It's actually tomorrow when we're recording this over there. You touched on a lot of points about the heritage program, about the actual homegrown talent that is coming out of New Zealand. Great talent. Yes. You know, players playing in the States already. They obviously have a passport if they're playing over here. New Zealand. So they, they have the golden ticket. You talked about the local clubs there. I think it's great what you're doing. Tugout sounds like a fantastic sponsor as well. And I just really, really enjoyed our conversation. Folks, if you get a chance, do some research. Learn more. Follow this team. It's going to be a team to watch going into the, the Olympics. So Dave, the, the best way for people to do research on their own is to hit softball. dot org dot and Z is that correct? Yeah, that's it. Yep, correct. If you go on there, yeah, and happy to, happy to share my email address as well with people wanting anything specific or can't find what they want. Give it a rip. Sure, it's it's D elder at softball.org dot NZ. Excellent. Again, folks, there's all this information will be in the show notes as well. So again, thank you Dave. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it, buddy. I look, honestly, the opportunity for us to do this, we're incredibly thankful, thank you. And look forward to catching up with you in person somewhere around the world. All right, and last thing for me, I hope you realize how important these podcasts are for our game. So thank you guys for doing this as well. Really, really cool. Oh, thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Catch you. Bye. Thank you. 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