Trauma-What are Your Stories?

Näitkö mitä just tapahtu? En, oli selkä suhun päin. Savin asuntoen sitten lyny huomiseksi. Oho, oho! Sujuu kuinsato. Huokraa elämäsi koti. Satopisteffi. Sistää. Mitä tämä joukkainaan rikki? Sami fixa se juust. Sami huu. Meidän talo mestare. Sujuu kuinsato. Satopisteffi. Tämä program on tullut, että järjellä on tullut, järjellä on tullut, että se on tullut, järjellä on tullut, järjellä on tullut, järjellä on tullut, Hello, and thank you for tuning in to A# Outlook on K4HD Radio and Tom or TV. I am Angela Sharp, your host. Our on-tier discussions with industry experts will give you the steps, tools and information to be successful in business and to prepare you to be your best self. Hello, I'm Angela Sharp, and welcome to A# Outlook. Today, we're going to talk about trauma, how to heal from trauma, and the stories that you may tell over and over, and what stories are you telling yourself? Today's podcast explores trauma, healing, and the power of positive stories. Through honest conversations, we're going to be discussing experiences that pain, the resilience and recovery. The goal is not toxic positivity, but hope through stories, hope through understanding, and going through the process for the healing that is needed. What we're wanted to say is trauma is real. We know that it's real, but you know what? So is healing. Healing can be just as real as the trauma, and the thing is, healing through truth and connection and storytelling can really bring you to a point where you find that healing, you find that peace, you find that hope, you find that joy, and you find that energy to move forward and take over your life. Positive stories can help people heal, not by denying pain, but by offering perspective, courage and possibility. Today we create space for you to have that honest reflection on trauma, recovery, setbacks, and resilience that you need to be able to go through the healing process. Healing comes in many forms, and we're going to talk about different ways of healing, but one of the things we want to talk about are the healing ways of stories. If you ever fell alone in your experience, I want you to know, this podcast is here to remind you your stories matter. Healing is not linear. Healing is real. So welcome to our podcast today, trauma, what are your stories? It's not a substitute for professional therapy or medical advice. So seek professional help if you are really truly struggling with trauma. Today, our special guest is Hota Sammater. She is a solution focus coach. She is the owner of Begin to heal, counseling, and consulting services. She is here on the mission to support individuals, couples, and families, or their healing journey. She believes in providing a safe and nurturing environment where everyone can explore their challenges and find paths to wellness. She's a return guest. She's been there before. She's been there for a long time. Thank you for having me as a guest. I'm really honored to be here for the second time. My last conversation was, you know, was very eye-opening, not only for, you know, your viewers, but also for myself. This is a learning process for all of us, right? Whether we talk about things that affect the community, things that affect the body, the mind, the spirit. Yes, absolutely. Believe me, there's enough noise outside that is affecting a lot of people. I mean, whole communities, whole countries. It's a lot of things going on. It's creating a lot of trauma, creating a lot of insecurities, creating a lot of anxieties. Having someone like you that has that desire to give them, you know, other paths and other ways of healing. I mean, it's just wonderful to be that listening ear. And so we just welcome you because it's just great. And the fact that you have your book now, Meet Leila. I want to talk about Leila. I see Leila in some of your social media postings and things. And it's just a wonderful way of getting people to come out of themselves and understand through Leila's journey. So we want to talk about your book that you've written. And in fact, tell me about the book. And why you feel the desire or the need to write this book and the story by Leila. So ever since I've been involved in social media, you see things happening right in front of you. You see the trauma and the experience of people happening right in front of you. And so I was like so in shock about how people are using social media as a way to cope from trauma, which is so unhealthy. Yeah. So Leila is as a result of my experiences with people who struggle from trauma. And every time somebody talks about their trauma, they go back in history. So they go back to their childhood trauma. So my mind always goes and focuses on solutions. So I'm not a problem focused individual. I'm a solution oriented. You know, clinician as well as a human being. Right? So I'm always looking for how can we improve the lives of people? You know, by going back in history and trying to figure out what caused them to experience the trauma symptoms. So this is a prevention book. It's not a book, you know, to provide people with adult healing solutions. It's more about prevention and seeing Leila and her experiences and identifying your trauma symptoms. So you're able to heal from it in a healthy way and not in an unhealthy way. Right. Right. Yeah. And that's why I'm excited about the podcast because I'm on social media because of the podcast and because of the work that I do. And I'm seeing the things that you're seeing. And I'm saying, oh, dear God, we need someone to intervene and help because they're getting information that is not healthy. They're getting information. In fact, all they're doing is everyone is joining in and, you know, bringing their anger, bringing their anxiety, bringing their fears and just sharing it over and over and over and over and over. over. And those are not the kind of stories we want to be focusing on. We want to be focusing on the stories that help you come out of the trauma and help you go to the person that you really are. You're not that trauma. And I think they believe that's who they are now. And instead of finding that person that was before the trauma and can leave over it and you know what I'm saying and become the person you were created to be. But not just constantly battling that situation over and over and over. So I've been seeing the same thing. And it's like, oh, I'm going to stop that. But I can't imagine. It's like, we're on the takes over. Yeah. And it's so shocking not only for, you know, for people who are viewing this on social media, but it's also shocking for people like me who work with individuals who struggle with trauma symptoms because we rarely see a group or, you know, a group of people on social media who are experiencing trauma or the symptoms of being re-traumatized in the time that you are on social media. So it's called real time experience. So it's never been like this. Like you can actually see it in real time. And so you want to stop it. You want to say, stop. This is not the way. But you can't because they're not ready for that. They're not ready for intervention. Yeah. And it's very difficult watching that because I know I was traumatized early in my life. And it is a journey. And it's a difficult journey. And the one thing I learned from the therapy that I had to go through was stop telling the story and find new stories to tell. And so I think that's why I continually reimagine myself and, you know, do different things, take on new challenges, take on new careers, different things like that so that I am always coming up with a new story in my life and not reliving that area that just absolutely almost sucked the life for me. And this is why I wanted to have this discussion because I know it's not healthy to keep revisiting that over and over. And then one of the healing things that I did, I didn't think it was going to be healing, but it really was, was going to prisons and talking to people in prisons, going to alcohol drug treatment centers and talking with them and helping them understand this is where you are now, but this is not where you're going to stay and this is not who you are. And it really was healing to me because I was healing myself by advising them, you know, forgive yourself and move on. Forgive those people who traumatized you and move on and then become what you're supposed to be, that wonderful person that can maybe even take that energy and come back and help others through that. with the highest number of people online communities, such as the Varaston beach, or the east Victoral in fambacks DAMN Party 2017. Then they Master了 Magikan and will receive their latest "19://commocje.com" and will receive their latest "19://commocje.com" They need that and a lot of prisoners go back to spirituality and religion in order to heal themselves when they are incarcerated. It's amazing. That experience is such an amazing experience. People look at it from a negative context but I feel like you're not putting that situation to punish you in a way. You're putting that situation to change the way you think about your life. That experience, even though we are people who live outside of the prison system, they have their own way of functioning and they have their own way of healing and I feel like some of the people that are there, their experiences, have been so much better than when they were outside of the prison system. So yeah, I see that. I think you saw that working with these individuals. Yeah. I actually saw lives changed. Some when they were finally released, they became counselors. They became mentors in the communities trying to make sure the next generation didn't make the same decisions or do the same things. And those in alcohol and drug treatment centers, a lot of it, they were there because they're trying to inebriate pain and they didn't know how to deal with the pain and they didn't know where to go to be able to get the relief from the trauma and they generally had experienced some physical or mental or emotional trauma, serious trauma. And so they would take the drugs, they would drink to be able to get through it, and just forget it just for a moment. And it's not the path to take, but that's the understanding of what they were doing and they just needed the fine piece and that's what they felt they were getting. Okay, so then you talked to them and say, "Okay, now where are you going to go from here?" Because you're not this. You are so much more than this. And then they would talk to me about, "Yeah, I do this art." And they would show it to me. I mean, so much talent, writers, people that could write songs, you know, singers, music. They were there, but they had taken this path because of the hurt. And they had been feeling it didn't have any place else to go. Yeah, and going back to Layla. So I'll give you a little bit of synopsis as to what Layla's stories are. So they're not just stories, they're healing journeys. And so they come in diary format. And so for many, many years when I was engaged in counseling with individuals who struggle with trauma symptoms, I always encouraged journaling. So journaling is a form of closing those negative thoughts. And children know journaling. They understand closing those negative thoughts. So what Layla did in her diaries, in her stories, at the end of each diary, she closed those negative thoughts with positive thoughts. So she actually asked people a lot of questions. She asked herself a lot of questions. She understood at a very young age that she was experiencing the initial symptoms of trauma through her mother. So she didn't go to her mother for healing solutions. She went to her sister. She knew that her sister would give her what she needed to heal from that trauma experience. 'Cause her mother was not ready. And this is what we always assume that parents have the solution. But parents sometimes don't have the solution. Sometimes you need to grow up knowing that. And that is what a lot of my clients, what they always wanted to know is the why. Why did my mom do this to me? Why did my dad do this to me? Why? So staying in that way of thinking, you can't begin your healing journey because you're stuck. Right. Right. And those are some of the things that I would hear. Why didn't my parent do this? Why did my parent do that? And I said, had your parents? Why did my parent do this to me? Oh, well, yeah. Okay. Believe me, they've forgiven you. So, let's reunite with family because everyone's not perfect. There's no classless to teach you how to be a parent. Even if there was, it wouldn't be a good one because every family is different. It's not general. Every family is different. Every situation is different. Every economic situation. So, it's really difficult to blame people when they didn't know either. 100%? And, and, and Laila is, is an example to everyone. It's just an, it's not just an example to people who are racialized to set. Because also people who live in mainstream have experienced those trauma symptoms. So, you can see Laila transitioning from the impact of the trauma to her healing in one journal, in one sitting, in one, in one scene. I think all it in the, in the, in the, um, film industry. Yeah. And so, Laila goes from angry, sad, disappointed, annoyed, abandoned, to understanding, compassion, kindness, you know, feelings of happiness, gratitude in one scene. You can see that transition in every page. And so, I wanted people to see that. Your experience is normal. You go through these trauma symptoms on a regular basis. But what are you doing to heal from those trauma symptoms? Are they accumulating to the point where now you are living a toxic life? Or are you able to go back and forth? Right? Because people think that trauma is just one impact. And then that's it. You live with it. But it's not. Trauma is, you know, small little occurrences, small little experiences. Or it could be something huge. It requires the same healing journey. And so, it's self-identified. Everybody thinks that there's a general solution to trauma. But first of all, trauma is embedded in all of us. Sorry, healing is embedded in all of us. But it's how you use those healing qualities that we are born with. How do you use that to heal from your experiences? And this is what our ancestors have, like they taught us, if we go back to our ancestors taught us this in talking about indigenous people, like the amount of spiritual, I don't know how to explain it, like experiences that they have, that they can use to heal from their traumas. Like they've been left this legacy. Right? But it's something that needs to come back, or it needs to, again, be a useful tool. Yes, yes. And I agree that the spirituality, you know, and I remember when I, before I had gone out and started wanting to work with these other people who had experienced trauma, I used to see my uncles. And they had been in the military and things like that. Now I understand why they drank all the time and different things. And they were just always, you could just see that they were in pain. But I was a young child. I was the baby of the family. So I didn't understand. But I just knew that I don't want you around me. And sometimes they would see me on the street. And I would avoid responding, because I didn't want somebody to think that I knew them. And I mean, I felt that embarrassment. And as a young child and your friend saying, "You know that person?" "No, no, I don't know who that is." Then I would feel horrible all day, because I, you know, just owned my family. But I didn't understand. And I probably should have just talked to my mother about it. But I kept it in myself. And so, you know, so then when I started going through my own situation, then they came back to me. And I said, "I understand." And such an overwhelming amount of empathy and compassion and understanding and wanting to heal them, it made me go out and try to talk to others who were in the same situations and help them to heal, because I wasn't in help to my family. And so I just felt that. But yeah, it's inside of us. It honestly is. And you can, it'll come up if you don't close the doors to it. Yeah. And you can see, Layla is so curious in her experience, as she wants to know, "Why? Why does her mother react that way? Why does mom always angry? Why does mom always push me away? And then she goes to her sister, and her sister is very gentle with her. She doesn't tell her things that she doesn't understand. She talks to her from her level, from her understanding. So Layla always gravitates towards seeking information from her sister. But this time, this book is based on going to the homeland. Layla and her mom are visiting grandmother there. So Layla sees where her mom's trauma is coming from. That experience now with grandmother, right? [inaudible] Ser observing her mom's trauma, as she experiences her first encounter with her grandmother. So Layla now leaves home-led, now with all of this information, and all of this experience. And understands the importance of communal healing. Oh, absolutely. That's a sound for wonderful. I need to go and get a look at some things that Layla is talking about. [laughter] That they're encouraging. Yes, that is a way of being able to heal and others understanding. When you see, you know, everybody wants to blame their mother or blame their father or blame, and not ever asking, did you ever experience a situation? They never get that, have that close conversation with their parents to find out, what did they experience? That's causing this, because I know I didn't do anything. So let's come in on, but we never go and have the, what do you want to call it, the boldness to go and say? Why do you like to like that mommy? That's probably the right question. But yeah, so it's all about vulnerability, right? And Brown talks about vulnerability. I follow, I follow Bernie Brown, read her books, watched her on YouTube, on Netflix, trying to understand the importance of vulnerability. So the reason why children heal so quickly is because they are vulnerable. They're born with vulnerability. Every child is born with vulnerability. And then your surroundings, your environment now teaches you not to be vulnerable, right? As a protective factor, but also, you know, when you don't show a lot of vulnerability or engage in vulnerability, you actually stop yourself from your healing journey. And that's what people don't understand. They think, oh, I'm protecting myself, right? My environment, I don't want to be vulnerable with people. But then what are you doing to yourself? Because now your relationships are impacted, right? Because you are now superficial with everybody around you. You're not yourself. It affects you, affects the other person. I'm Shannon Maldonado, the founder of Artesan Institute of Technology, and I'm a volunteer. I was invited to the shop because I was able to find a job in a university that helped me get to the job. I had been working with the department for a long time. All my work was done by a company, which was in the dashboard. I was invited to the shop in the community of the community of Aloe. I was Shannon Maldonado, the founder of Artesan Institute of Technology, and I was invited to the shop. I was able to get to the job and work in a university that helped me get to the job. I was able to get to the job that helped me get to the job, which was in the dashboard. I was invited to the shop in the community of Aloe. And so then all of a sudden there's all these divorces and separations and people who don't want to be relationships. For example, this generation, most people like in this generation don't want to get married. They don't want to be in a relationship. They don't want that intimacy anymore. Why? Because they know how pain looks like. It's painful to be with somebody. Why? Because two people with trauma symptoms are fueling each other. Right. Right? None of them are healed. They come into a relationship. They're not healed. What are they doing? They're just fueling each other in a negative way. And they don't know why. One is triggering the other person. The other person is triggering. These children are being triggered. The whole family is experiencing trauma because of that unhield factor. Right. Right. It's a really vicious cycle. Yeah, I've been seeing that. That there's just their conversations. Like, no, we're not going to have any commitments. Even the young ladies, they're saying, we're not going to have any children. And I thought, well, it's a wonderful experience to have children. But they're like, we just don't, we're not going to have it. I mean, they're even physically guaranteeing. They're having surgeries to guarantee that they never have children. It's like, you're too young to make that kind of decision. You don't know what the future is going to hold. Yeah, there's just so much that's out there impacting them. But, you know, there's a lot going on too. So I can see that. But yeah, I understand that being vulnerable because I know I can attest to what you're saying. When after I had been, I was assaulted. And after that occurred, the walls came up. I dressed a certain way after that. I never gave eye contact again. I had very few friends and I never let others come in. And those walls were there for a very, very long time. And I can't say that they don't come up now. It's kind of like a, it's just something that's there. But I know that yes, it does impact how you are and the triggers do occur and things just because the healing has not completed. And so yeah, I understand that. And people assume that, okay, they come into counseling sessions thinking that therapists have the miracle pill for trauma. So I always educate them and let them know, I am not your healing solution. You're your own healing solution. I am here to provide you with the resources. Then you take those resources and your work, right? Working on your trauma is not easy. It's not an easy journey. It's difficult. It's actually easier to stain your trauma than to work on your trauma. So trauma initially starts as a wound. I always give this example and I say, you know when you're riding your bike and you fall and you have a scar. And then I remember as a young person, I would have a scar and not treat it. And then all of a sudden this white pus comes out of it like it's infected. And then it heals and then it has this like big patch of, you know, you can see the wound has healed but you still see the mark. So trauma is like that. It's never going to go away. Like you're going to have to live with those trauma symptoms. But what you need to teach yourself is how to cope with the trauma symptoms, right? What are you going to do, right? And so people don't like to hear that because you know, everybody wants, you know, like a solution and that, right? But it's the experience of this world is as a result of having the, taking the good with the bad. So this is life, right? When you, when you see people, like two people who have been married for 50, 60 years, I listen to those people and their experiences because their experiences are, haven't always been positive. They go through so much, right? But we only see 50 to 60 years of marriage, right? You don't see what they've gone through. You don't need the trauma symptoms. Have you ever watched that movie, the medicine of bridges? What was it, bridges of medicine, county? Have you ever seen? Yes, I've seen that. I always go back whenever I feel like I'm empty and you know, and I need to kind of recharge myself with real life stories. I always watch movies like that because I know to understand the reality of people's experiences. And this is what we need to always. It's all about emotional fuel, okay? So when you're empty and trauma has impacted you and your empty, you need to go now and find yourself how to gain the emotional fuel so you can survive, right? And it could be a best friend that you have a conversation with. It could be a trip that you need to have. It could be watching a movie, right? It could be, you know, writing. It could be setting healthy boundaries with toxic people. So now I'm in that journey myself, personal journey, that I don't connect or be friend people who are not spiritual. Yes. I choose not to because what I've noticed is that if you don't have either religion or spirituality in your life, what happens is that you, when you have a conversation with people who are not connected, they will share their toxicity with you. And all of a sudden they become resentful towards you for being healed. Yeah. Yeah. And they attack you in a different way, like psychologically and emotionally and it's not them to blame. It's just their way of protecting themselves as well. They want to know, are you like them? They want to know, like you need to act the way they're acting. If you're not, they will attack you emotionally and psychologically. So I'm at the end. that stage right now that I don't have many friends or people that I can connect to, but I feel like the more we heal ourselves, we will have people who will help us to heal community. Yes, yes, absolutely. Believe me, it's real and the thing is when you have that spirituality and you have become healed, you can sense when a person needs healing. But then sometimes you can kind of want to give advice, want to encourage them to do something different and you can feel the energy in the room where that person is upset that you are even trying to point out that there's a problem and then want to give them advice. And so just having the right words to say to help them, you know, I mean, you're a great person, he said, "nother but you know what, I kind of notice now tell me if I'm wrong." And then probably more comes out than what really was expecting to hear. But sometimes they just need a listening ear, I guess, just somebody to listen that they're suffering, and it's unfortunate, but I think that's just part of us being human beings. We do run into those situations because unless everyone was perfect and no one was hurting, then we would be paradise. But since there people are hurting and then I see them on social media constantly attacking and hurting one another. And it's like, why? Why do you have to speak in that manner? Why do you need to? I know that I'm frustrated just as much as you are, but I always have to remember that they're human and they're all speaking based on their own personal experiences. And if they've had nothing but hard times and ugliness and rootedness, all of their life, how are we expecting them to be anything different? But we could say, "Hey, tell me a story about you." And you'd hear it and then what it starts actually telling it, they even start, "Whoa, yeah, that's bad." Yeah, but there's another way. And it's okay. It's okay to hold people. It's okay to, you know, to help them start their journey or identify some of those healing, healings inside of them because it is inside, but it's just, you know, buried under so much pain, right? You can, but sometimes these individuals need to be ready at the time. So that's why a lot of people go to therapists or counselors or psychiatrists is when they're ready. And we meet with these individuals when they're ready, right? But now social media, a lot of individuals in all social media are not ready for that change. And what it is is that that's why I wrote the book is that children are born with emotional intelligence. We come, which comes from spirituality and other members, but they're not born with intellectual, you know, intellectual resources. Like they're not born with mental capacity to understand things. So that's why Lela was always asking questions, but she knew exactly how that experience felt for herself. Like she knows that feeling. She just doesn't understand how to make sense of it. Right? So when, let's say you're a young person and you experience, experience all types of toxicity as a young person, child abuse, you know, parents who are separated, bullying in the school system, being called names, you know, harassment. And things that mean you also experiences racial profiling, discrimination, prejudice, all of the factors, right? Growing up with all of these factors, guess what? What is that child's resources now? It's not healing. All the toxic experience that child had. So they grow up with those toxicities. And then they become adults and all they do is have those resources and attack people with it. Any better? Right. Right. And that's the whole thing. Building that foundation, building, you know, those norms, building those beliefs, building those internal, I would say, internal culture so that you do have kindness. You do have compassion. You do have empathy. You do have care and love, you know. And because one thing I know, you know, from having children, children, when they're born, they naturally love. So everything else is being learned. So if we can just be children again and feel those emotions as children, we will have that that natural compassion, we'll have that natural love, we'll have that natural concern. And my mother, I was used to tell me, you have to step in the shoes of another person before you decide to determine who they are and what they are. And I had the opportunity of stepping personally, walking in the shoes of so many different situations in my life. And it opens me up to a level of compassion and giving and understanding and more than I had when I first started. And so sometimes the things we go through is to help us step into the shoes of those that are hurting. We'll understand more, have more compassion more, and want to do something about experiencing because we have walked in their shoes. But if we just spend a day, spend an hour in the shoes of someone who just came out of prison, you know, stepping the shoes of someone who is of a different culture or a different ethnicity and hear the name calling and hear the ways they're treated. You have a better understanding and more compassion. I mean, it's just that's how we're how we're really culturally supposed to be treating one another as human beings. There's only one race, human. And if we all realize we were all created by the same creator for the same purposes, we would have more compassion. We would have more understanding. We would have more love for one another as a way to love your neighbor as you love yourself. If you do that, you're going to they're in trouble. You're going to want to help because you're going to want help. Yes. Think of yourself being in those shoes. It's just, I don't have the answer how you change that. Not like there are no churches in Senegal, or even off the ground for people to be hurting, but they don't seem to be absorbing the impression that would transform them more caring beings. Yeah. And wisdom goes a long way. And I feel like, 50 years ago, 100 years ago, we had more people who were wise, books and who helped change the world with their stories. Right? And right now, though, a lot of people as France Fanon talks about we have a lot of people who are anti-fessals. Yes. Meaning they don't have that internal capacity to heal themselves or others. And they absorb everything that's happening in social media in the world. And they use it to they usually use it to benefit themselves in the in-term instead of in the long term. And so that supply, what I call it, right, that ongoing supply, negative supply that they're receiving from social media and the world around them is causing them long-term distress. Yes. pain. And it ends in a situation where it's you feel, you feel like, you know, they're going to go into a deep hole eventually. And there's not a lot of people out there to pull them out. Because most of the people that were of that experience are not with us anymore. Yes, those voices I'm missing, those loving poems, those loving songs, those loving words, they're not there anymore. They're not. They were there when as I was growing up, you heard them in songs, you heard them in poetry, you heard them even just discussed, you know, on the television. It was just part of, you know, what was going on. But now the toxicity, the anger, the just some of the things I feel in my heart, I feel so sad for the younger generation because they're missing the real beauty of what life is really about. And there's nothing more beautiful than seeing someone in need and helping them. Yeah. I mean, there's not enough money in the world that feels your heart is much as reaching out and helping someone else and watching them come out of their situation, watching them begin to grow, watching them begin to climb. I mean, it's just there's nothing else that is more satisfying. And that's why we were, we're designed the way we were. So that we were constantly helping. I mean, even helping animals out there that got hit by a car and they're limping. You rush out there because you see and feel the pain of this animal. Well, we should be seeing the pain of each other and rushing and helping not continuing and stirring the pot with more toxicity. Yeah. Let me ask you how this man. Let me tell you that. Yeah. It's been, you know, let's start acting like we actually got blood running through our veins. Yeah. Heart is beating and then heart should be beating and wanting to bring love. That's a great conversation. What would you say in our last few minutes? Yeah. So I would say that always try to manage your emotional fuel on a regular basis because that is your tool to heal. So three components I always focus on. Self-care, journaling, setting healthy boundaries. If you practice those three rituals, you will able to manage your trauma symptoms. Great. Well, this has just been wonderful. I am so glad you were here and I know so many people are finally finding healing just in our conversation today. We thank everyone for joining us today. A sharp outlook is here every Monday at 11 a.m. Eastern time and 8 a.m. Pacific time. It's a place where we get great guests giving you lots of information. Why? Because we want you to stay informed. I want to thank you for joining us on a sharp outlook. We have been informed and energized to take the next steps. We have posted links to websites and videos to learn more on today's topic. Please join us again next week for another thought for booking conversation right here on K4HD Radio and talk for TV. 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