Trauma of the Best Kind ᐧ EP617

This is an I Heart Podcast. Guaranteed Human. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. Is everyone lying to me about who they are? I felt such desperation. I felt it was what I had to do. Listen to Deep Cover, The Family Man. The I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Conkey, his best friend and business manager. And we've got a new show called The 1021 Podcast. I'm taking you behind the scenes on how I became one of Twitch's most popular streamers. We also love sports. And with the World Cup right around the corner, we'll be breaking down the biggest storylines ahead of the big tournament here in the USA. Listen to The 1021 Podcasts on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 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Santa Mojou, Camilla Marone, Carrie Kenney Silver, and more. Listen to these episodes of Dear Chelsea on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. First of all, you don't know me. We all about that high school drama girl, drama girl, all about them high school queens. We'll take you for a ride in our comic girl, cheering for the right team. Drama queen, drama queen, my girl, up girl, fashion with your tough girl, you could sit with us girl. Drama queen, drama queen, drama queens, drama queens, drama queens. Oh, babe. This episode. It was great. This episode was fucking great, but also I'm traumatized. By the way, I loved this episode so much and the whole time I was just watching this emotional tragedy that you and Chad had to play out. And I was like, did they just keep Advil on set for you? Like, were they keeping you hydrated? I was so sad and heartbroken for you both. But same for you. I was just like, why are they putting Sophia the human through this? Like this is in hard. Guys, this was. There's a lot of hard work on this one. Very different episode. Very, very different episode. Beautifully written, which is why we're so affected by this by Terence Cooley. Yeah. Why don't you tell them what the rundown is, baby? Yeah, Teri Cooley did such a great job on this. And here for season six, episode 17, you and me and the bottle makes three tonight. Which actually feels sort of appropriate. It is early here. I don't have a liquor. I have a smoothie. But our compatriot Joy is shooting a film, not that it's about me, but she is shooting in Sophia Bulgaria, which does make me feel sort of she. Yeah, she was like, oh, that's so cute. You have a whole city, honey. She was like, it's so beautiful here. You would die for the architecture. I was like, that feels nice. It's so fantastic. But it's like late there. It's very late there. She is actually still on set. She was supposed to join us today. So Hillary, it's you and me and the smoothie makes three. Oh, girl. On that podcast. I got a coffee. Does that count? We got coffee. I just housed some olive bread. I needed to eat after this episode. I know. I know it really. It really did make me feel emotional and snacky. We've really gone a little tangential, but friends, let me tell you what this one is about. Peyton and Lucas receive a startling surprise about the pregnancy. As Brook and Julian's relationship comes to a crossroads, Nathan and Haley celebrate their anniversary while Dan and Deb, baby, sit Jamie. Meanwhile, Marvin and Millie try to pick up the pieces of their relationship. I don't love that the synopsis says you get a startling surprise, but I wonder if that's a nod to the title cards of each of them yet. I see that. So, yeah, that's what was so different about this. This was written as a collection of like one-act plays. Typically, we don't get to do that in TV because viewers get bored. They're like, "Oh, God, we've heard the same people talking for two whole pages. I got to change the channel." At this point, I don't know what the catalyst for this was for us to really sit in these scenes and come in. I love it. But it was as an actor. It was doing a play. Everyone was doing a play. Yeah. I remember the combination of excitement and anxiety that we all felt when we got the script. Because, yeah, I mean, these scenes are seven, eight, nine pages in a chunk. And to your point, it is like blocking a play. It's fun when you're six long years into something to be handed a script and have it surprise you. Yeah. Yeah. And this one, I vividly remember filming this one because Chad and I knew that we had a mountain to climb together. I'm sure you and Austin felt the same way. It's like everyone with their scene partner just locked in. And if we're not seeing sports to have that kind of sportsmanship behind the scenes, it felt good. It felt like us. It felt like our show to be like, "All right, let's go shoot our basket, score our touchdown." Whatever we're doing in this scene, let's make it hurt. So what you're saying is your whole script was just covered in little X's and O's in the margins. I mean, kind of. Kind of. It was dark. As I watched, I was like, "Okay, I'm not going to get emotional about this." But I do think we need to provide a trigger warning for anyone who hasn't watched the episode or has, and just isn't aware on their drive to work that this is what we're talking about. But fertility, storylines, pregnancy loss, storylines, abortion storylines, and all of that was touched upon in this episode in a way that I'm actually proud of. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, we had some big talks in this episode. Well, I'm not. Yeah, they were really large. And it was interesting because the episode opens. We talked a lot about how last week was basically like a big rom-com. Yeah. And so fun. And one of the things I saw that I appreciated, and I think this was very smart of Terry, our writer, is that opening on Brook and Julian with the "Mr. Act" of "I Don't Do That." You know, it made it feel like that rom-com. Yeah. And it feels to me like this episode was really written to leave one scene from 16. And then we sort of like dove out of the humor and into something deeper. Yeah. And I really appreciated that because where we end up to your point, the reason we talk about a trigger warning, you know, we end up really in heavy stuff for people. And you talked about this last week how when you were filming all this stuff as Peyton and Lucas, you hadn't been pregnant. You hadn't been down. Yeah. And I think that's why you're saying that. Between seasons one and two, I had some fertility issues. I had a problem that caused me to miss a photo shoot in LA. And our boss lost his mind with me. And told me I was ruining everything. And so everyone knows that I'm like the kid lady. Like I'm like the lady that can love kids. And being a mom is all I ever wanted to do. My manager still tells the story about you know we were doing some interview at a record store in Times Square. And everyone asked where we were going to be in 10 years. barefoot and pregnant. Like, you want from me. So the power is that being new that I had kind of this heartache about this specific issue. So it's difficult to watch a younger version of myself navigate this knowing that my future was going to be a future of loss. I knew that I was going to have pregnancy loss. I knew that I was going to need to have abortions at some point in my life. So it was really easy to cry in these scenes. It's easy to tap into something that like, but did they think I was that should they have an actress that we always had to tap into the real stuff? Like, it was manipulative. Yeah, I was just going to say, one of the things I love about you is that you will always crack a joke no matter how heavy something is because that's your sense of humor. But like, as your friend, that just makes me want to like chop off heads because it wasn't that they had nothing else to do. It was that our boss really enjoyed making people act out versions of their real personal lives on camera. He really took a lot of pleasure in that. And for better or worse, we were very cultured to like always smile, always be professional, never let anybody know any of it was getting to us. That's something I'm certainly working through as an adult in therapy, like realizing, oh, I can be miserable and everyone can think I'm happy. This is uncomfortable. Huh, we're mad. If I hear one more time in my life, like, we had no idea you were upset. It's like, oh, really? Of course not. Because if I'm upset, then I'm unprofessional. Yeah. If I actually say how I feel, I get attacked for being the problem. So, okay, we hit a nerve with this storyline. And what I will say is that Chad Michael Murray showed the fuck up. That dude cried on my coverage. He stayed with me the whole time. He wanted to really understand what the girl side of it was. Like, I remember being astounded because we've known Chad forever. He's like my, it's like a brother, which is deaf when like a brother character's playing your husband. But we had, like, we picked on each other. We ribbed each other about a lot. You know, we made fart jokes together. Like, it was a very juvenile friendship. And when you know you have to go into this really dark that hurts with somebody, the way he showed up made me feel very cared for. And I was able to express that to him. And which made him in turn feel really cared for it that I saw it. You know, it's what they were like, you do something nice. And then the other person, you don't have to point it out. The other person just like recognizes it. And so this was a turning point in our friendship. This episode. Well, but I, you know, I think about that in terms of our lives, all of us. And where we had started six years prior. Oh, yeah. You know, really, I mean, you had more professional experience in this world than a lot of us. But like, I feel like I was a little hatchling. Like I had goob on. I didn't know what the guy was doing. You done big stuff, though. I love the Ryan Reynolds comment in this. I know. I know that was very funny. I was like, I never actually dated that guy. Was it van Wilder? Yeah. Like the reference to like my first movie ever was so funny. Like, and I did love that that we ribbed on the fact that so much of what you read on the internet is just so far from true that it's ridiculous. Well, because who stated who? Have you looked at your list? Because my list is in where? I didn't date Pete Wentz in real life. You guys. Well, of course, you didn't. By the way, there's so many people that people think I've dated. And I'm like, I mean, I guess I'll let you believe that because I don't really need to know in my real business. But before we get there, like the that whole thing, right? Like we're referencing our essentially our childhoods on camera in the episode. But what I really appreciate about what you're saying and what I could see as a viewer and someone who's known you guys for close to, you know, well 20 years now, I could see that. That dynamic you're talking about, not just this beautiful story for Lucas and Peyton, I could see it for Hillary and Chad. And what I really love about what you're saying is, we've talked a lot on this podcast. Look, it's the girls. We talk about how we raised each other. We grew up together. We learned lessons together. But something that I think is really special for you and for him, you know, for you, like I wasn't sure if you were going to share the stuff about what happened between season one and two today. So, hey, thank you there. But be like, we'd all been through a lot in these six years together. And it is not lost on me that I see you too in this episode. Go to a place as partners in a scene that is so deep and so real and so authentic. And you know, a year later, you both were going to have left Wilmington. You had met Jeffrey. You were starting a family. And like, I don't know how many years it is. I'm not doing the math in my head, but not too much longer after this, I think he went and started a family. He did it while he was doing a movie with Jeffrey. Yes, that's right. But I would think that you were friendship. And in the same way for us, like we held you through the beginning of loss and the journey for you, like as a man, he got to do that with you. And I should think that your friendship with him going from being like a sister figure to playing this wife and mom who he got to show up for, like, you had to help raise that boy into becoming the man and the dad he is today. He loves being a dad. No one loves me. I know. And I think that's so beautiful. Like, there is, I don't know. There's just something so special about watching you guys in this episode and thinking about what everyone's been through for the last six years. And I love hearing how held you both felt in your little one act, you know? It was a learning experience for me because we're both cancers. We both have a heart exterior that sometimes people tell us is unapproachable or just maybe intimidating. Like, oh, you aren't someone who I would come to with a, you know, a problem. So, Sarah, like, because you'd tell me the truth. And then you'd be stirring about it. So what I learned from having a great writer script, this scenario for me, is that I have just as much strength in softness as I do in my prickliness. And that's been a big lesson for me in adulthood is to understand that softness is also powerful. And that's not something that comes naturally to me. So, you know, even when Jeffrey and I suffered our first pregnancy loss, this sounds terrible, but I'd already practiced this scene. Like, I'd already played this scene. So I knew what it meant to let myself be upset, to, you know, to try to be optimistic and the face of that, all of that. But Jeffrey hadn't, you know, he had never been given a script. And he really struggled in what to say to me. And I wrote about that in my book. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah. For the guy who hasn't felt all the hormone changes and the body changes, pregnancy can oftentimes be imaginary and really hard to connect with. And for the girl, it's the most serious in the world, whether you want that pregnancy or not. Like, it's life or death for you. And I really credit Terrence for the way he crafted these scenes because Lucas Scott saying, fine, I'll be the dick. I'll be the bad guy if it keeps you alive. Was it real thing for a man to say to his partner? Yes. Yes. And you know what I loved that too? I wrote that down. I said, I really like seeing a man be as sort of, I don't want to say rational because it makes it sound like you're being irrational. Yeah. But I really like seeing him be willing to come from that ultimate place of vulnerability saying, I refuse to do this without you. I can't do this without you. Like, you know, I choose you. And maybe, I don't know, y'all, maybe it's because most of the people we seem screaming about taking women's rights away are men. So I'm so used to them being like, it's so sacred. And it's what you're born to do. And it's easy. And it's like, actually, I put a heart surgeon and I learned that the number one cause of aortic dissection in women, literally were the largest or artery in your body, rips apart. And you internally bleed to death is pregnancy. Like, so when you say it's life and death, it's literally life and death. So maybe because culturally, unfortunately, in our country, like so much of the political pushback on women living comes from men. And I I was like, thank you, Lucas Scott. Thank you for saying these things. Thank you for being willing to sob and say, I hate this, but also I choose you. I prioritize your life. I was so surprised by it. And the fact that Terry gave you guys this opportunity to say every single thing and to confront the fear, like he did such a good job and like, God, those are the kinds of men you really want to have in a writer's room. Well, it reminded me of my, Jeffrey, everyone's going to be put on his pro-ro shirt and just go run errands and do school pickup. And I'm like, God damn, that's my man. That's my honey. Yeah, proud. Because it's been so stereotyped in storytelling that the wife and potential mother needs to murder herself in order to be the sand-jellic figure. And for every woman out there that is going through a medical crisis, what I don't want is for them to watch Peyton Sawyer say, I'm willing to die for this and feel like they have to come to the same conclusion. And so to have Lucas Scott respect the autonomy of his partner and know the risks that come with it, but also know that it's her body. That was important, you know? It was important and it makes that balance of storytelling where I'm nervous, but he's sure. And then the flip, I don't know, I loved it. (clapping) (upbeat music) This week on Crimeless, we're joined by our first ever guest. (screaming) Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock, the pair to be too nervous. 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At the time did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy, but I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how we could go wrong and what that might look like? No. I didn't wanna manifest that. I wasn't trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets, but what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent. This is gonna change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. On the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, I'm George Adano. You might know me as that loud guy who yells out "Help!" on the internet. Help! Somebody! Help! But there's so much more to meet in me. I'm an actor, I'm a comedian, and recently I've become quite the helper myself. 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I liked that you guys had the space for all of your emotions. And even in the ways, you know, to your point, like that women get so pressured to martyr themselves. I mean, you know, our friend Glen and wrote a whole beautiful book about it. Like, I like that even in the moments where I from this year, 2024 looked back at this episode from 2009 and went, are they just gonna make her ignore her health? I really liked that even in the nuance, they gave you the, he said maybe. So I wanna try. And it's like, I understand that very human habit of holding onto that little glimmer of hope, you know? Like, when I think about, you know, not necessarily even on this topic, but when I think about like, oh yeah, on hindsight I might be able to see where something wasn't good for me, but like in the moment there was a chance. Oh yeah. And I really wanted to bet on the chance. I really wanted to give it my all. I didn't wanna give up before I was sure that it wasn't for me. And I just think there's something so human about that, you know, that everybody can really relate to. - If you can survive one more day, right? And then the next day, if you can survive one more day after that. For me in my pregnancy with George, after, you know, multiple pregnancy losses, that nine months took for forever. I mean, that was the longest period of my entire life because you have to cut it down into bite size pieces like that. You're, no, you're not gonna last the full nine months. That's not gonna happen, but can you last for six hours? Yeah, yeah. All right, I can do six hours. And it's a stressful way to live, but when you're an optimist, that's, yeah. And then when you hit that point where you're like, no, I can't do six more hours. Then the ability for you to make a very short decision is there. You know, when you can't do the bite size pieces anymore, then the decisions are made and it's really, really easy. So I like that as partners, Peyton was able to say, you're such a dick. And it's not, they're not breaking up. It's not a fight where it's like, oh, are you leaving me? You know, it was you. We're having a fight and we're gonna be okay in 20 minutes, but we really need to have this fight right now. Yeah, it's a big one. I love what partners could fight. By the way, 'cause it's so healthy. Yeah. But I love that moment of the back and forth. And obviously all the pages of this scene, I loved you saying you're a dick and him saying fine. Then I'm a dick. Yeah. You know, he's not trying to talk me out of it. He's being real clear. And I just, yeah, I just thought that it was like, I thought that it was very beautifully done. Thanks. I mean, Greg Prange directed this and that was another layer of weird because I had been with his son for a really long time. And Greg knew me really well and he also knew about all these kinds of sad parts of me. And so he was very careful with me too. I think everyone knew how sensitive this was for me. And so I felt really taken care of, especially by the guys. The guys somehow knew, I said I wasn't gonna cry. They knew that a nerve had been touched. Like this, that's a button you don't touch. And so to do the whole last part of this season, already under duress, man. Yeah. We had really good guys. We had good, you know, Steve Allen reached out just recently our dolly crib. Yeah. And, and was like, sis, I heard you were talking about me on the podcast. So I'm doing it again, Steve. We love you, Steve Allen. I just loved our guys and Chad became a very dear person to me because of this. So anyway, for all the women out there that are triggered by this, I'm really sorry, and I hope I'm not using language that's offensive because I'm making jokes and stuff about it. But yeah, it was just a really complicated thing to do. But I also see my, I see you in this episode having to do this whole same thing about relationships and failed relationships and opening yourself up and being vulnerable to people, which is something that you've been vocal about. Like, do you want to light yourself on fire right now? Yeah, I mean, it is. It's very wild. And this journey of Brooks was really personal to me. Obviously, you know, I had been through, I'd been like pretty lucky to be pretty sheltered in terms of relationships as a kid. Like, you know, my first relationship was with my best friend and like my, my camp sweetheart since I was nine. Like I, I had really sweet, kind patient people in my life. And then we all got thrust into adulthood and I, I went through something that was both like so invasive and public, but also like not ever fully talked about or like nobody knows the full picture. I mean, obviously you do. But I don't think it's really anybody's business. There's this weird thing where like when you're any version of a public figure, like you almost want everybody to have all the facts so that things make sense. And then you're also like, nobody deserves that. Yeah. But, you know, people fill vacuums where you give yourself grace or privacy with their own facts, which are usually pretty gross. And to go through that after like such a period of sweetness when I was a kid was very drawing. And so it definitely, what I realize now, again, like props to my wonderful therapist, Trevor's worth every dollar I pay him. Thanks Trevor. I love you Trevor. Also my therapist calls me dude, which like is just my favorite thing. He's sort of like, like when you talk about how you and Chad became like very brother sister, like my therapist feels like the big brother I never had. Perfect. Not the point. Love him. But, you know, what I've learned is that it taught me like, oh, you can be living a life and not realize it's not real. Like you can, you can literally think you know what's going on around you and there's this whole other thing. And so what I learned in these six years was like, I don't trust people. Yeah. I have to like observe people. I, you know, I would stay like very single for long periods of time and just observe people. Anybody who like wanted to date me, I'd make them become my friend. And I'd observe them to see like, who are you really when you're not trying to like woo me or impress me? Right. You know, like I just you also would sick your friends on people like, hey, go see how they treat you. Go tell me what you think of this. Like tell me you go talk to that person and see if I'm crazy because I, I really didn't think for a long time that I could trust my judgment, you know, when that gets ripped away from you, baby, like, yeah, it's so hard to come back from that. Well, yeah. And when you, when you go through betrayal, you go like, Oh, do I have any idea what's real and what is it? Yeah. You know, it is a kind of loss. Like when you talk about loss, it is a loss of, you know, a loss of trust for others is painful enough, but a loss of self trust is difficult. And so for me, what I see being done in this episode is like the people who knew me and observed me for six years were like, Hey, honey, do you realize you do this? Do you realize you hold people at arm's length? Like you really hysmian people. And, and I did. Like certainly. And I, I've, I've always moved very, I've moved like very slowly for a very long time. I think that was just sort of how I learned to protect myself. And it was interesting to watch it be written about in a way like because it's me, but it's not me and just go like, Oh, wow, people really can see me. And like, so we really have our real lives like in a sense. It's like a, like a shadow self, like a, like a copy avatar. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, like multiplicity. Like it's the second Michael Keaton. Where you're like, it's me, but it's not me, but it's me. I feel this is very intimate and personal. I, I really struggled with Julian in this episode. I thought he was gross. I thought when Brooks said Ick, when she said, you Ick at the time of the Amazon, I agree with her. And I, but then when I saw Peyton's stomach bump, I realized like, Oh, some time has passed. Like, that's the thing. Has it been three months? Has it been four months? Like, I wish they had given us some semblance of time other than a growing bump on Peyton. Well, especially because we kept getting the cairons for the vignettes seven year-age deleted scene. Like, couldn't they have given us like a three months later? Right. Because Julian, the last thing I knew you were throwing your fucking letter jacket at him, you know, you guys had a fight and then you sort of made up in the diner. It was fine. And now he's saying, I love you like crazy talk. It was a, it was a little whiplashy for me in the beginning. But then as, as the story progressed and he kept pushing you further and further and further, it really felt to me like he was an in-sell in high school and actually never really had a girlfriend. Yeah. I was like, why are you guilty this chick? It's so passive aggressive. It's not, I don't want anyone to ever tell me they love me because I've forced them to before they were comfortable with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It started in such a good place and then it did get almost a little combative. And I was like, I don't know if I'm just being sensitive because I'm protective of breath. Yeah. Maybe there's, I mean, I'm sure there's people out there. They're like, "Hellary lay off." She needed to hear the hard love. She needed to hear it. And sure. Maybe. Sure. Maybe she did, but it just felt really pressure. Well, here's what I think is cool. I liked the reveal because Brooks never said it until this episode. I like the reveal that she has not been in love since high school. You know, because you can kind of assume it in the four years we skipped. We never saw it in the flashbacks. We saw Victoria making her go on dates so she'd get photographed with the hot guy for the tabloid, whatever. But to hear her say it and to see Julian see it and to see the discomfort. Like, I remember how that felt to stand there and think about what it would be like to have someone see your secret that you just haven't opened yourself up to anybody in so long. And, and I appreciated as much as I thought by the end of the scene, he was a little petulant. They wrote him that way. What I appreciated was the fact that she was able to say like no matter how bad you feel about this dynamic, imagine how I feel. Yeah. And that she got to say how hard it is to be the footnote in someone else's love story. And what I loved that he said to her in response is that you gave up feeling like you deserve love. I was like, Oh, God, oh, it cuts deep where you go. Like, maybe that's just not for me. Like I've, I've had that experience. I've had to come to terms with that experience with reaching a point in life where it's like, well, I know I want to be a parent and I know I want partnership and I know I want these things and I have so much love in my life. So maybe, maybe it doesn't look like it's looked on TV or in movies. Maybe it looks like a partnership for the good of others. Maybe it looks, maybe it looks like different than I thought it was going to look like. And the real roundabout for me, the like, aha moment is like we said, this idea of martyring, it's, it is what fun and wrote her book about. It's like, well, if I, if I'm going to be in a relationship or a marriage for my eventual daughter, would I want this relationship for my daughter? And I think that's a big lesson. And I see that in my life. That's so we, can I tell you that that exact quote has popped up in my algorithm multiple times in the last couple days? And I don't know why. By the way, it's been in mind a lot too. And I'm like, are they listening to the conversations I'm having with Trevor? Like, what's going on? Yeah, weird. Yeah. It's like her doing an interview talking about that exact excerpt. Yes. Weird. Yes. And like, I remember when I first read that book, I sent it to my mom and like, it gave us a whole lot of love. conversation and my mom and I talked about like our family histories and generational trauma and things in my parents relationship and things in the relationships I've been in like it's such a profound thing of oh we will make all these Well pretzel ourselves in a lot of ways. Yeah, but we would never want anyone to pretzel our kids Yeah, like we don't want them to be folded up and made small and Oh, and I think the reason I love what's happening in this episode so much is It it rings true for me. It rings true for me at the age we filmed it It rings true for me now where I've been I know it rang true for you then and I know it rings even truer for you now given where you've been in your family and with your stories of loss and and like That I think is the power of a good story when you can go like oh All of these things are really unique these storylines, but they're super universal because they're true Well, isn't that depth that we could do the show in our early 20s and then be here in our 40s still Triggered by it and I think that's why our show was a multi-generational show like yeah If this were just airing on TV right now I would feel just as connected to this character as I did at 25 years old Totally agree and I think that is the magic of our show. I think it's why we have you know We get to hang out with all these different groups of intergenerational fans when we go to events and stuff Everyone in their 40s relates to it and so does everyone in their 20s and by the way like so to our parents And I was about to say in their 60s and then I'm like my parents are in their 70s and they're still like total Yeah, I'm already Hey You know like yeah, and I just think I Think this is the specialness of story and so often when our real stories were used on camera It felt gross, but this I actually really appreciate for us. Mm-hmm Yeah, I mean I I don't mind having a script in life. I don't mind having like a practice run And that's what our show really was for us in a lot of ways like Chad was my first wedding Like and and first you know Pragged and seeing all this kind of stuff and you just get to you know people drive around in their cars and they have fake Conversations just to practice. Yeah, do you do that? I do that. Oh, I talked to myself and other people who aren't here in my house all day All the time you have to practice the conversation. Yeah, the conversation. Yeah, sometimes you got to practice ahead of time And sometimes five years later you're like what I should have said was And another thing I'm all bring it back up. I'm gonna say this. Yeah This was for a lot of my stuff like our practice run One true hell so we practiced and Do you ever wonder in like maybe this is kind of up? But do you ever watch our show and go like did this? Did we like manifest all the things that happened to us later like did the show say to the universe? Oh more of this because I would have liked to have been like no, no This is just for work Honestly, we conjured so much unintentionally did this show because when you when you say things a little witchy Yeah, when you say things out loud that's powerful You know the power of speeches incredibly powerful and you know you when you put your energy into words and ideas and thoughts and you do it over and over and over again It ends up happening it always if I say someone's name three times you bet your They're gonna send me a Facebook message or text me or just can show up at the supermarket. It's a nightmare So I'm really careful what I say and yeah with this show Yeah, yeah, having a baby having pregnancy complications You know, Peyton was all about mom and pop shops, you know the trick of it all the all ages club and here I am with the town candy store You know hanging out with all the teenagers. It just feels really cyclical um And I like that and I think it's happening for other characters on our show too, you know when we see Nathan and Haley You know when we see Malthyn Milley even having these like very hard conversations We know the people behind it who have conquered really hard things in their life And we know that that maybe this was a good practice run for everybody on adulting Like yeah, I mean and that's something I think is so cool Is the stages of relationships everyone in like? Working Julia julien are on the precipice of something and he's asking her to leap with him Peyton and Lucas are on the verge of this whole new frontier And then we get to go with Nathan and Haley with our other like You know pillar couple Thank god they're safe Thank god, but by the way how cute that they're in the seven-year-age moment And instead of it being a problem with their relationship their relationship is stronger than ever But they're both being really honest that individually they don't have what they want yet That they want more of the things that make them as individuals happy Nathan wants to pursue basketball and because he wants to pursue basketball He knows Haley wants to pursue music yeah, and like who could call her on that but him And say like I saw your face and the reason I know the feeling is because I get that feeling I love that he does that for her and when she says there's only room for one attention or in this phase I was like so good girl. I heard that I heard that Yeah, no there's definitely room for two attention whores in every family but no more no more Yeah, I liked that they had that really honest conversation because First of all when they first show up in that house, I'm like What the fuck are they doing in a house? Why didn't they just go to a hotel? Yeah But there's something kinky about being in a for sale house, you know Seven years in we're getting lessons on how to keep it spicy, you know We hook Jeff and I hooked up in a house that was for sale once You saw my face I was like are you gonna say it? You gonna say it because I know the story That's all I can say I'm so red I'm so proud of you I'm not embarrassed we have been together for 15 can years we can do whatever we want I am real proud of you babe So that's all I can think about as I watch this scene like get that Haley I get that Yeah, okay, yeah, cool make him moves that's why seven years in that feels right This week on crime lists were joined by our first ever guest Sorry our first ever human guest I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the pair to be too nervous That's right the very funny will Farrell joins Rory Skull with me Josh Dean for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named will Farrell Like I do his fellow officer for the nippers What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking would that be a good name for like a salad dressing simple assault and it's a play on word salt Maybe not I say we invest and we see This did not amuse the cops by the way normally the cops are amused but this did not use the cops Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I think it caught you know why If you don't want to be suspected anything you whistle as you walk Listen to crime lists on the iHeartRadio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts Keith Jim Anko seemed like a mild mannered suburban dad But secretly he became someone else a master of disguise who went on a crime spree At the time did it seem like a crazy idea It seemed very crazy But I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about How would you go wrong and what that might look like? 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I also loved, again, when we talk about this idea that our characters feel a little bit like the first Michael Keaton in multiplicity, you know, like just one copy over. Watching Nathan and Haley run around in this house and sort of fantasize about this parallel universe life, it feels like they're toying with their own little avatars. Oh yeah, what would it look like? And talking about what could be. Yeah, and it was interesting to me that she kept choosing like movie references. It was like she was trying to create a, because she didn't grow up in a Serly and a Conventional household, her parents have sold the house. They're living in an RV, you know, she's trying to create the fantasy, right? The white picket fence, the old house filled up with kids. Like it's a very antiquated version of what a happy family looks like. And then Nathan comes in and it's like, but that's not our happy. Our happy is mom on the road, which is the exact opposite of mother martyrdom, you know, and to have the boy recommend that. What I want to know who Terry's therapist was, our writer, because yes, by the way, who's that man's therapist and can Terry maybe write like an advice book for dudes? What are we doing? Well, that's it. Like when when I had my first miscarriage and Jeff didn't know what to do, someone gave me a book that was written by a man who had experienced that. And was it helpful? It helped me because all of a sudden I understood what he was going through. And then when I gave it to him, he didn't feel like an alien, you know. So for Terry, yet Terry, we need you to write a book on all things like how to support your partner's career, how to deal with loss, how to show up in a way that's helpful. Yes, please. And not manipulative. Also though, like don't force people to tell you that they love you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that was probably a little bit of a device to poke the bear to poke the brook. Yeah, we needed Julian. He's not a perfect person. He's not good. He's not bad. He's just trying. Yeah. Well, and you don't always get it right. And that is something that I think is actually so important to show on TV. Yeah. Because part of the problem, like when you talk about what Haley's trying to achieve, you watch those romcoms and you think that's what your life is supposed to be like. And that's not life. It's not that easy. And I actually like when our characters don't always get it right. And then they figure out how to get through it. Because that's what we learn. Like that's what you you're talking about with this book you guys got. It taught you how to get it more right with each other because you didn't know how yet. Yeah. For anybody that is going through something like that though, we should, I'm gonna. Yeah, what is the book? It's called vessels. And it was so incredibly helpful, not just in this, but in like my whole marriage. It is a book by Daniel Rayburn R.A.E. B.U.R.N. It's wonderful. It was a really it was a really helpful book. Because I do think that boys get a bad rap. You know, they're not necessarily given a ton of great examples of how to be involved in their partners hard stuff. It's it's almost like they're given this choice. Like you can either be overbearing and mansplain and tell her what to do or just be so hands off that she's abandoned. That she's like, I can't believe I did this with you. Yeah. Nathan could very easily say like, whatever you want, Hayley. Whatever you want. Yeah. But he's involving himself. He's got a lot on his plate. She's coming to him with this problem of like, Hey, so I got suspended. Sorry to tell you. But maybe let's just change our whole life right now. Yeah. It's sort of like when you go through when someone goes through a breakup and they cut bangs and you're like, No, no, no. I went through that in my like, in my crew. In my crew. Well, I mean, I've done it. But no, this summer like with everybody, everybody I know was either getting divorced or having a baby. I was like, well, it's wild. But in like my closest crew of the five of us, now it's four who one stayed and four didn't. Who were all getting divorced. My best friend called and was like, So is today the day I get bangs? And I was like, We've been doing this dance for 15 years. We do not go through a breakup and cut bangs. We're not doing this. And so I wound up getting our friend Ricky, who is like our big consulting, wonderful hairdresser when we did our salon and did we called Ricky and I was like, Ricky, I need you to order Nia. He said of clip in bangs. So she can clip them in on the days that she thinks that she wants these. And then she can take them out because I know her as well as I know myself. And she never is happy three days after she cuts up. We've done this twice in the last decade. And so now we both have clip in bangs. So if you don't launch a line of Brooke bangs, I am going to be so mad at you. You have been talking about clip in bangs for years. I'm obsessed with them. I know. It's like the easiest way to have a change. Yeah. If you don't, if you don't get on that, I'm going to be furious with you. Okay. Who do we talk to? Do you want to help? Well, apparently your friend can make bangs. Yeah, I just need some with like a little gray stripe right here. A little white stripe. Yeah. Brooke bangs are going to be a huge seller at Target, my friend. No one else is selling just like bangs. They're all I want. Just put them in the same aisle as all the shampoo and hair products and stuff at these like big stores. And every woman that's like got that one hour to herself between work and kid pickup is just going to be like, I'm just going to try him. I just need a bang to do that. We just need like a like what are the what are the ends of the aisle's called? A kiosk. You just need a little kiosk. A aisle cap. I want that. You're going to make so much money on this idea. Me and Sally Hanson. Let's go. I love new nails new bangs. New you. Oh, I love it so much. I do want bangs just because I do too. Wait, speaking of changes that people make, this is sort of a hard left but sort of not. No, I know where you're getting laced. Lace. The lace is a big old change because when when mouth finds her glasses in the drawer like this old piece of her has been left behind. I'm it really hit me. It made me like it made my little voice catching my throat. You know what I liked about it. My gut reaction when she said I got lacek was that she did this thing. She didn't consult him. She you know, it's a cosmetic procedure, but she made this decision completely on her own. The same way she did with her virginity. She didn't consult anyone. And there seems to be this gradual building of Millie where she doesn't need permission for. And when he's like I miss the glasses, had she asked him should I get lacek and he said no, I like the glasses. An old Millie that would have altered her decision, but new Millie's like I'm not gonna ask anybody. I just don't want to wear these things on my face anymore. And I'm wondering I'm like did I can't remember did Lisa actually get lacek during those episodes. She was off because remember we were all getting lacek done by Mike Lyon's wife. Yeah, Kay Lyon. I'm like did Kate fix her eyes? Like prior to this episode, I'm so curious. Were Lisa's glasses ever real? Yes. Okay. They were real. Interesting. I know. Yeah, I like it. I like it for Millie. You know, it's a little she's all that taking the glasses off and being infinitely like hotter now. She's she's not a virgin anymore. Look at her. She's in high boots and silk and there's cleavage. She was in a brick Davis. She looks so good. I love that top. Yeah, it looked fantastic. And I was like why don't we still have blouses like that because I like to be hug your tits, but they're not snug on my belly because I don't like snog on my belly. I don't either. I want to be able to eat a burrito and have people not ask me if I'm pregnant. So we're gonna sell bangs and blouses. To hugging shirts, but believe that belly free. Okay, God, so few we have so many things to do business wise. I just love this. No, I I like that mouth apologized to her. I like that he copped to the text messages and was like, "I am accepting ownership of this." And I also like that it still wasn't enough for Millie 'cause she was like, "Okay, you're sorry." Like, "Okay, but this is my stuff. I have to deal with this and my head." Like, I don't need your permission to forgive myself. I need to handle me. There's just, again, it's like an autonomy story where she is centered in herself. It was great. - Yeah. - I hate it for her, I feel bad, but she looks hot and seems like she's on the right path and I guess I'm not worried about her. I know she was crying in her car, but sometimes we do that for fun. (laughing) - Sometimes she's like, "I need a good cry." - Girl, if saline Dionne Song comes on, you know I'm gonna feel some things. - I love it. Little poly Cole. - Oh, come on. - Chinno Conner, come on. Just like the old emo. - Girl. - Songstresses. - I wanna hurt. - My girlfriend Betty, who just covered. - She's so, did you see the poly Cole cover? - That's why I said, "Oh, God." - I know. - It killed me. - Yeah, she's cool. - I was like, "More of this please." We gotta send it to all our Dawson's friends. It is really, really good. Do we think they're gonna get back together? He kept the glasses in the drawer, which I like, because when men leave things planted in their apartment, it means they don't plan on bringing anything new over. Or they're sadistic, but I don't think Malthusetus. I don't think he's sad. - I don't either. - Yeah. - Yeah, I'm as much as I don't love the way that they've written some of this stuff for Malthusetus. I like Malthusetus and Millie together. I think my hope is that they get past some petalant writing. - 'Cause he's already said, even though Terry wrote really like lovely things for him to say in this episode, he says a meanish, abbreviated episodes. And it's like, "It was not cool." - Oh, it's hard to get over. - Yeah, I will say though, what I do really appreciate is him owning his behavior, finally. I felt like that was a really long time coming. - Well, was that another dig at our boss? You said on the last episode that Mike Harrow was taking digs at our boss with all of the creepy director behavior. And so there's a part of me with all this text message talk that makes me think that maybe Terry was playing the same card because the text messages were for the lot less. - Well, and the text messages like Gigi's entire storyline is our boss is fantasy of how he wishes women would throw themselves at him. So yeah, I wonder if there's some sort of role reversal call out happening with Malth there. - Yeah, just even like participating in that when you're in a relationship is no point no. - Well, yeah, and I don't know what was happening in season six, but I definitely know some of our sweet friends who come in next season. I do know that one of the things our boss would do to them a lot would be like, "Oh, yeah, send me a picture of your fitting." Like I wanna see what the outfits are, like wardrobe is slow. And then it would be like, "Well, but you've got a scene, you have a love scene with so-and-so, like what are the underwear options?" And he would essentially like under the guys of needing to pick wardrobe like force women to send photos of themselves and underwear to him. - Are you kidding? - I'm not. So I wonder if, I wonder if he had tried to pull that with any of our sweet little guest stars this season. And if that was part of the Gigi of it all, I don't know, I'd be very curious to ask. - Relatless. - Also, I'm just like, what a loser. Like you really have nothing better to do. You have the whole internet at your disposal. Like, what do you have to bug people? - All the professionals at your disposal. - Internet at your disposal to find whatever kind of pictures you're looking for. Why you gotta make people uncomfortable? - Take your kink elsewhere, sir. - Thank you. - You know what kind of kink we like? Cutie couples in the houses. What kind of kinks we don't? Being a creep. - Don't be a creep. - People who don't want you to be a creep in their cell phones. - Yeah, don't be a cell phone creep. - I hate that. - I hate that. - Dance being a creep in the cell phone. - The flip, dude. The flip and it was exactly what we talked about last week. We love Dan Scott so much in these moments. We can't believe it. He seems different. And then the flip on Deb. I was like, "Oh, there he is." - He almost got us, didn't he? - He almost got us. We knew better. - Yeah. - See, this is why I don't trust my judgment. Every time we fall for it every time with Dan Scott. - Oh, how come you and Nan and Nan and Deb aren't together? And you're thinking, "I get it, Jamie. I'd want them to get back together too." 'Cause you love them both so much. - And then Deb is like, "Not today." - And then he blames her. - We need to be more Deb. We need to be like, "No, I'm gonna hate you forever." - For ever. - And then 10 more years after forever. - Yeah. - She's cold blood. - I like that. You know what I call that? I call that a strong boundary. (laughing) - Thank you Trevor. - Thanks Trevor. - I appreciate your therapist Trevor because I get the trickle down effect where now you talk me off my ledges. - It works out great for everybody. - It's been wonderful. - Did you think when Deb was looking at that photo album that she was gonna make a pass at day on or something? - I caught myself holding my breath. - Yeah, right? - Yeah. I was like, "What is this? What's happening? Are we reminiscing? What? What?" And then I see. - You know what she was doing? She was compartmentalizing the way that we do where we're like, "Everything's fine." - It's great. - I hate you. - But you'd never know. - I think it makes sense. - I'm fantasizing about plotting your death, but you'd never know. - Oh my God. - Yeah. Deb, she's a great actress Deb. - Well and the shock then, 'cause they really get into it and it gets heightened and heightened. - Yeah. - And it starts in this sweet memory, right? With Disney. So then the photo album makes sense and you're kinda like, "Oh my God, what's happening is this family, finding some semblance of healing and do we want that?" And then she slaps him with it and then he really just, God, he comes back-- - He's a crafter. - Yeah, he comes back in full force and he grabs her and he's vicious and then in walks the kid with the beaper and you go, "Now?" - Right when she says, "I can't wait for you to die." Like that makes people even just-- - Yeah. - God. All right. - Oh boy. - Yeah, well look, we all know what's gonna happen. It's one of the most legendary moments in Tree Hill history and I can't wait to talk about it. - I can't wait to talk about it. - Oh, that poor dog. - What was your honorable mention for this episode? - Honestly, for me, I'd give the honorable mention to Terry, to our writer. - Yeah. - I think he did such a beautiful job. He really got my gallows humor and so my honorable mention is for the specific lines where patents like, "Oh, I'm gonna haunt your ass." But just the-- - Yeah. - But she says, "Think about how much Jake Jigelsky single dad tale you're gonna die." - Right. - Right. - The Jake Jigelsky reference in the midst of this super traumatic talk. - It's so funny. - Guys, this is why I'm always making like horrible jokes, right when we're about to get really vulnerable because like, it's what they did to me on this show. They just ingrained this morbid sense of-- - I love it. - Fuck it up. - I love it. I need it 'cause I'll sit and talk about feelings all day. I need you to be like, "Shut up and drink this." - Oh, great. - Drink it. (laughing) - Yen and Yang, I hope you all have your Yen and Yang partner out there in the world. - I know. - We have a question, baby. What's our question here? - It's from Jamie. If you girls had had a cheer coach in the earlier seasons, who would you have liked to cast for that role? (gasping) - Yeah. - Oh, fun. - Okay, so I had some real cheer coaches and that really stood out to me and I'm trying to think of like who their celebrity counter part was. They had Linda Harmon, who was like the tiniest little Italian woman who would just tear our asses up. I mean, she was terrifying, but we were the best. We were the best cheerleading squad. - Yeah, you lived to impress her. - Oh, God. - I loved her. - I don't know why, and maybe this is just because we are so nostalgic for them 'cause we've met them now and they've been so kind to us. But what I would give for like another iconic teen show, actress like Emma, - Imagine if Tiffany Theson or Jenny Garth had been our cheer coach. Like someone from 902 and O or saved by the belt, like, "Kelly Kupowski is our cheer coach." Come on. - Yeah, that would have crushed. - For sure. - I would have flipped. - Yeah. - Yeah, that's the ticket. That's the ticket. - Yeah. - No, I like that. - I mean, you know how much she meant to me in real life. - I know. - Being able to kind of coach me after leaving this show, having it, all my coaches were grownups, like moms. They were older. But having a chick that's only like eight years older than you, 10 years older than you, they're close enough to what you're going through that they're not gonna talk down to you. - Well, and it would have been such a cool person to have on the show because for anyone who doesn't want to go to a parent with a problem, you have this older peer. It's like a real intergenerational friendship. I would have really liked that. - Yeah, that's the right answer. I love that. - All right. - In a parallel universe, our cheerleading avatars are with her. - Yeah, Tiffany's the best. There's just nobody cooler. (upbeat music) - Let's spit a wheel. - All right, we have a most likely two. Whoa. - Most likely to buy a motorcycle without telling their partner. I mean, he's not on our show, but that's your husband. - He's literally walking in the door right now. Come here. We just, you know how we do most likely two on the podcast? We just spun the wheel and the question is, who is most likely to buy a motorcycle without telling their partner? It's so weird. It's you. (laughing) - I said he's not on our show, but it's Jeffrey. (laughing) - I showed it. - I totally win that. I just bought a car with us. - To hold my towel and the other stuff. - Stop it. - Yeah, get out. - What did he, did he really? - Yeah, my husband wasn't on the show, but he almost was his uncle Keith. But is it Craig Sheffer then? - Well, Sheffer would probably do that. - 'Cause didn't we see pictures of him riding motorcycles with his daughter Willow? - Yes. - Yeah, Sheffer. It's Uncle Keith. - Yeah, 'cause I don't think any of the other boys ride motorcycles. - Well, Austin always would show up to lunch in LA on a basketball. - Oh, that's right. - He thought it was a motorcycle. I was like, Austin, what is this girl bike here? (laughing) - Well, he had that old, he bought one of those cool, old vintage triumphs, and I think it never started. And then he, him and Patty did that trip to Italy. And he was like, Vespas are cool and we were all like, are they? - I love that. I'm so mean to poor husband. - We love that. - And that just means that I love him so much. I'm rough on him. - Me too. - You tease him the most probably 'cause we talk to him the most. - Well, yeah. - It's safe. - Yeah, I feel right. - Yeah, all right. - You gotta punch your brotherly figures everyone's in a while. - 'Cause he's cute. He's cute. It's like you hit the cute boy. - Sorry. - Season six episode 18 next week, searching for a former clarity. Fingers crossed we survive. - The titles really make me nervous sometimes. I'm like, does that mean it's gonna be a bummer? I don't know, we'll see. Friends, thanks for joining us. We will, we will see if we get joy from Sophia. - Next week. You guys, I'm never gonna get over it. I don't know why it makes me laugh so much. - You have to go. - I wanna go. - Sophia and Sophia. - Me and my town. I've never been to Bulgaria. 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